Re: Activating only certain filters
On Monday, November 29, 1999, Douglas Hinds wrote: Is that "my" confusion or is that simply an option not explained in the TB help file? ... OK, your confusion stems from filtering being inadequately explained in the Help file. You won't get an argument from me about the Help file, but it is what it is for now. There's alot any new user has to discover on their own at this point. Either they like the program enough to bother or not. BTW: If you read German, there is nice site for help on the Web, but I don't have the URL, as I don't. This problem could have been avoided simply by making the manual only option contingent on selecting active first, a very common button implementation (it would be grayed out until selecting active). Yes, could be done for sure and leave the check mark on the manual only option when deactivating, but grey it out. PF Right, thus the option on the re-filter dialog for "Manual filters PF only". Re-filtering without checking that option will invoke all PF active filters, regardless of whether or not the "Manual only" PF option is checked for the filter. The funky part is that the re-filtering menu asks for this, uselessly. Not really. There are situations where a user wants to invoke only the manual filters. I have filters that I use that way. PF There is nothing in the Help file about this recently added feature PF [regular expressions] and no one here is sure how to use it, but PF you don't really need it for most filtering you normally want to PF do. How do you know if you don't know what it does? You are being protective, perhaps. I don't think so. I don't tend to be protective of software. :) There was some discussion of the uses of regular expressions on the list and I think most users will find little need for the feature. , although there *is* something on "Special syntax", "used for signal strings", which I assume is what that refers to. PF No, this doesn't refer to Regular Expression. It refers to syntax that PF may used in conditions in any case. Are you sure? Yes, read the section in the Help file. What's a Regular Expression, then? Check the list archives. I think the discussion is in there. If it was possible to set the ticker for just arrived messages, and the ticker showed the folder the message was in, this would be less necessary. I could filter more things automatically. Also, while the ticker can be turned on with a keystroke set, to turn it off you have to go into a menu. Well, I would personally be opposed to attaching a lot of filtering functionality to the ticker, since filtering can be accomplished in the program itself. You are right as things stand, but this also implies a need for an accessible filter manager ... Has been suggested by others. PF I don't use the ticker. That is understandable, in terms of the present implementation. But the concept is good, and could b useful if taken further. I can't imagine ever using it. To me, it's akin to having a cell phone constantly stuck in your ear. Even Netscape Messenger lets you both flag and establish a 5 tiered priority. There are several things I like about Messenger better than TB, as well as every other mailer I've used or tried, which is probably about all of them not branded MS. What do you think about having filters implemented for user set flags? That's a damn good idea, even if I had to think of it and say so myself. Has been suggested by others. I agree that it would be nice, as would flags of some sort. Most people want color coding, but I don't prefer it myself. PF Many things can be accomplished with TB once you start thinking PF like it does. :) OK, but I also want it (and the developers) to think like I do. (You and I are coming at this from a somewhat different genetic perspective here, in terms of x's y's - and no offense meant - after all, I'm part x myself, and some of my favorite people are totally x people). I going to ignore that. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Editing incoming messages
Dear Vlad! (e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In your message dated 24.11.1999 and concerning "Editing incoming messages" you wrote: V BTW, new version of Calypso can edit incoming messages V easily. Can it read koi8-r in subjects now? What's the current version? Sincerely, Denis V. Petelin (e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Special thanks go to: = The Bat! version 1.38 Beta/4 working under Windows 95 4 0 B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Douglas Hinds wrote: They are there to use if and when they're changed to active status. But none if this is explained anywhere. You yourself are just discovering these details. As with many of the other features of The Bat! :) Right, there's a logic to it. The point is that it's a totally undocumented logic, which isn't very logical in itself when you consider that there's a universe of logical patterns that could be implemented for a given purpose. There is generally no one way of doing *anything*. But the logic chosen, whatever it is, should be specified. Call it what it is. Why be a party to an absence? TB needs a decent help file, but between TBUDL, fiddling around oneself and even resorting to the developers once in a while, the show will go on. Paula and I have, on more than one occasion, stated our displeasure with the help file. We've more or less gotten over the 'culture shock' of having to work with an incomplete help file, so although we seem apparently tolerant, be rest assured that we have shared your frustration and still do at times. Are you sure? What's a Regular Expression, then? Let me quote a little excerpt from one of my applications since I find it difficult to define a regular expression in one sentence: ==8 A normal case-sensitive search for the string test string will look for and match the exact sequence of characters t e s t space s t r i n g. This is how all simple searches work. They are very single-minded in the sense that you must explicitly tell them exactly what you want to search for. For example, if you wanted to search for test string except that you didnt care how many spaces separated the two words, and, for that matter, they might be line feeds or carriage returns or tabs and not just spaces separating the words, you would have a hard time getting this done using a simple search. You would end up having to do a separate search for each possibility as in: testspacestring testtabstring testcrstring testlfstring testcrlfstring But what about the case where there are two spaces between the words? Or a combination of a space and a tab? Pretty soon youll probably give up and look for the words manually. Think of a Regular Expression as a string mold. Whereas a simple search string will find and match only exactly that string, a single Regular Expression will match a whole slew of strings that conform to your specifications. Just to whet your palette, here is a Regular Expression: test[spacetabcrlf]+string =8 I could send you the whole document if you are interested. Regular expressions can be quite useful in filtering but doesn't address the type of functionality that you've been querying. PF I believe that Outgoing Mail filters work on all messages sent. All PF messages being sent may actually go through the Outbox. I've never PF really noticed. It has to be assumed they do, if the following quote from the help file is true: "the source folder (for incoming mail it is always Inbox, for outgoing - Outbox and this cannot be changed)" That's correct. All outgoing mail passes through the outbox. When you have a program that's as powerful as this one, with a built in commitment to get down to the roots of things, it's going to attract users who share that vision, that commitment, and this helps make things more consistent, more congruent, which is as things should be. Constructive criticism is both positive and necessary. We have to help the developers be aware of the issues, and these are real issues. Agreed. Unfortunately, I do. And this is logical, since I *don't* want to go around looking into all my accounts and folders to see what came in, or even remember be how many messages were in each one before the last mail download. Nor am I going to be able to read all the mail in those boxes, or even want to. It would seem to me that you wish to first filter mail that you know you will not be reading right away. The incoming message filter set should take care of that. How about using a read messages filter set for the remaining new messages left in the Inbox? In so doing, after reading each remaining message in the inbox, it's filtered to it's appropriate destination folder upon moving to the next message. You may add to filter rules as needed that the read message be marked unread upon filtering if you like. This may be especially necessary if you're just scanning the messages and not really reading them in their entirety. So the boxes are *always* going to show unread mail in them, which I can either weed out as I go by filtering incrementally or by doing it manually, which was done more easily with my last email client, since mail from all accounts was viewed and sorted by the column selected (date, account, subject, sender etc.). TB v. 2 is what may save the day in this regard. Doesn't simply clicking the mouse on each column header sort the mail
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
Hello Ali, Thanks! I'll try that! One question - just for my own sanity - what exactly are "Kludges"? It sounds like something a plumber might have to deal with ;-) Thanks, Jason Jason Ellis wrote: I too am having problems getting my filters in TB to work properly. I've managed to get most things filtering OK, but, amazingly, the one thing I haven't been able to get to filter at all is this mailing list! And yes, when I received the signup e-mail it gave instructions for setting up a filter for this list, but when I followed those instructions, it didn't work. The filter is there, but it's not filtering the messages. Can anyone offer some guidance? This works for me, without fail, since my subscription. :) I place the TBUDL and TBBeta filters at the top of my list of filters. I created an incoming mail filter. Sited the destination folder (In my case it's Inbox/tbudl). The filter string used is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Location : Kludges Rule : Active. And that's it! Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Activating only certain filters
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Tuesday, November 30, 1999, Jason Ellis wrote to Ali Martin about Activating only certain filters: JE One question - just for my own sanity - what exactly are "Kludges"? It JE sounds like something a plumber might have to deal with ;-) It's a FIDO slang for message headers. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Tuesday, November 30, 1999, Jason Ellis wrote to Ali Martin about Activating only certain filters: JE One question - just for my own sanity - what exactly are "Kludges"? It JE sounds like something a plumber might have to deal with ;-) ROTFL!!! That's a good one. It's a FIDO slang for message headers. The terminology ought to be consistent but 'RFC Headers' and 'Kludges' are used interchangeably in the interface creating some amount of unnecessary confusion. -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise MY hand! ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
JE One question - just for my own sanity - what exactly are "Kludges"? It JE sounds like something a plumber might have to deal with ;-) ROTFL!!! That's a good one. Thanks. OK, so I tried the filtering suggestion to get this list filtered and, as with the other filtering attempts for this mailing list, it didn't work - still won't filter. Anyone else have any suggestions? I've been able to filter everything else except this one mailing list. Thanks, Jason It's a FIDO slang for message headers. The terminology ought to be consistent but 'RFC Headers' and 'Kludges' are used interchangeably in the interface creating some amount of unnecessary confusion. Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Jason Ellis wrote: OK, so I tried the filtering suggestion to get this list filtered and, as with the other filtering attempts for this mailing list, it didn't work - still won't filter. Anyone else have any suggestions? I've been able to filter everything else except this one mailing list. Now that's really strange. :-/ I don't think that suggesting other ways of creating the filter is the answer. There's most likely something that you're missing. What happens to the TBUDL mail then? Do they all remain in the Inbox? Where in the list of filters have you placed the rule for filtering TBUDL mail? Do you use more than one e-mail accounts? IOW, we need more info. :) -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
Hello Ali, What happens to the TBUDL mail then? Do they all remain in the Inbox? It all remains in the inbox, yes. Where in the list of filters have you placed the rule for filtering TBUDL mail? I placed it first, as you suggested. Do you use more than one e-mail accounts? Yes - I have 9 e-mail accounts right now. IOW, we need more info. :) OK. As far as I can tell, this is the only list I'm trying to filter that doesn't have an "easy" filter criteria (all the others I can filter based on either the from, to, or something standardized in the subject line.) This one doesn't seem to have any of that - as you pointed out, the only way apparently to filter this is based on what's in the headers, because the to is just to me, the from is from whoever sent it (which is different than all of my other lists I am filtering in that on those the from is the list address), and there's no standardized subject line. Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Activating only certain filters
Hi, OK. As far as I can tell, this is the only list I'm trying to filter that doesn't have an "easy" filter criteria (all the others I can filter based on either the from, to, or something standardized in the subject line.) This one doesn't seem to have any of that - as you pointed out, the only way apparently to filter this is based on what's in the headers, because the to is just to me, the from is from whoever sent it (which is different than all of my other lists I am filtering in that on those the from is the list address), and there's no standardized subject line. I'm a little confused from what everyone is saying here. Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but for me, just filtering on TBUDL alone in the Recipient field works just fine. All messages come in with someones name in the recipient field but the email address there always is [EMAIL PROTECTED] For instance doesn't the To: field in this message as you have received it look like "Jason Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes)? Thanks, Kevin Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 Under Windows NT4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
FIltering TBUDL
On Tuesday, November 30, 1999, Jason Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. As far as I can tell, this is the only list I'm trying to filter that doesn't have an "easy" filter criteria (all the others I can filter based on either the from, to, or something standardized in the subject line.) This one doesn't seem to have any of that - as you pointed out, the only way apparently to filter this is based on what's in the headers, because the to is just to me, the from is from whoever sent it (which is different than all of my other lists I am filtering in that on those the from is the list address), and there's no standardized subject line. Does mail from this list really arrive with the "To" field as your address? Mine arrives with To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I just filter on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as recipient. Double-check that the target folder in the filter is the one you want; I've had TB revert to Inbox as the target folder when I change folders around. Another way to check if your filter is being triggered is to set "Run External Program" on the Action tab and put in "C:\Windows\NOTEPAD.EXE %1" or whatever the path is to some simple text editor on your machine. Also check "Continue processing with other filters" on the Options tab. Then when a message from TBUDL comes in, it should be opened by your editor. If not, something is wrong on the Rule tab. Ron Mura [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Jason Ellis wrote: It all remains in the inbox, yes. OK. I placed it first, as you suggested. OK. All this does is to ensure that this filter is applied first so that if you wish to filter private mail from TBUDL subscribers, you don't accidentally filter mail from them that's sent to TBUDL. Yes - I have 9 e-mail accounts right now. It sounds silly, but make sure that you are creating the filter for the correct account. I've personally made a mistake like this. :) OK. As far as I can tell, this is the only list I'm trying to filter that doesn't have an "easy" filter criteria (all the others I can filter based on either the from, to, or something standardized in the subject line.) This one doesn't seem to have any of that - as you pointed out, the only way apparently to filter this is based on what's in the headers, because the to is just to me, the from is from whoever sent it (which is different than all of my other lists I am filtering in that on those the from is the list address), and there's no standardized subject line. This is why I personally use such a non-specific filter, though I'm sure that more specific filtering is successfully used by other subscribers. What my filter is doing is selecting all messages in which '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' occurs anywhere in the RFC Headers. You could try a filter for the message body using a string that appears in the TBUDL signature but that's dangerous IMO since messages could potentially leak through. I'd generally avoid using message body strings as filtering criteria. Check your string syntax as well. Do you have the string in quotes? If so, then it's now case sensitive which may mess things up. Check stuff like this first. With the filter rule I gave you, do not need to use any special syntax. -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ One man's constant is another man's variable. - Perlis ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Kevin Boylan wrote: I'm a little confused from what everyone is saying here. Maybe I missed part of the discussion, but for me, just filtering on TBUDL alone in the Recipient field works just fine. All messages come in with someones name in the recipient field but the email address there always is [EMAIL PROTECTED] For instance doesn't the To: field in this message as you have received it look like "Jason Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes)? There are various ways of filtering TBUDL mail and your way is certainly one of them. I suggested the way that I do it and it doesn't work for him which is very strange. I'm trying to see what the problem is. -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Second star to the right straight on till morning... ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FIltering TBUDL
Ron wrote: Does mail from this list really arrive with the "To" field as your address? Mine arrives with To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I just filter on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as recipient. Are you still getting mail from that old address? Mine arrives with To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ EMAIL - when it absolutely positively has to get lost at the speed of light. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FIltering TBUDL
Hello Ron, Does mail from this list really arrive with the "To" field as your address? Mine arrives with To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I just filter on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as recipient. Upon further investigation the To field is, in fact, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just didn't notice that before. Double-check that the target folder in the filter is the one you want; Yep. Another way to check if your filter is being triggered is to set "Run External Program" on the Action tab and put in "C:\Windows\NOTEPAD.EXE %1" or whatever the path is to some simple text editor on your machine. Also check "Continue processing with other filters" on the Options tab. Then when a message from TBUDL comes in, it should be opened by your editor. If not, something is wrong on the Rule tab. OK, I tried this, and Notepad did not open when a list e-mail came in. But a different list's e-mail message came in in the same download and that one was filtered fine. Ron Mura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: Activating only certain filters
Hi Jason, I hadn't noticed that before. I'll try adding that to the filter and seeing if it works. Remember not to ADD it to the filter as then the filter will check for all of the strings you have in there. That should be the only string that is being checked. Thanks, Kevin Boylan Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 Under Windows NT4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: FIltering TBUDL
On Tuesday, November 30, 1999, Jason Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way to check if your filter is being triggered is to set "Run External Program" on the Action tab and put in "C:\Windows\NOTEPAD.EXE %1" or whatever the path is to some simple text editor on your machine. Also check "Continue processing with other filters" on the Options tab. Then when a message from TBUDL comes in, it should be opened by your editor. If not, something is wrong on the Rule tab. OK, I tried this, and Notepad did not open when a list e-mail came in. But a different list's e-mail message came in in the same download and that one was filtered fine. What exactly are you filtering on now? Try Recipient as just TBUDL (5 characters), at least for now. Do you have the Active box checked on the Rule tab? The only other diagnostic step I can think of is to move the message from your InBox to another folder, say Temp. Then do Folder / Re-filter and check only the Incoming Mail box. Does the message stay in the Temp folder? If so, it's a mystery to me. Maybe you can delete the filter and create a new one to be sure some weird option isn't set. Ron -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FIltering TBUDL
Hello Ali, OK. Your filter method, for whatever reason, still is not working (and Ron's recommendation to tie Notepad in to test was good I guess, since Notepad still is not opening). However, I did create a separate filter to filter the To address and now it is filtering properly, which is all that matters :-) Thanks everyone for their help! Jason -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FIltering TBUDL
Jason Ellis wrote: However, I did create a separate filter to filter the To address and now it is filtering properly, which is all that matters :-) The whole thing is a bit bizarre but .. Phew!! It's good that you have it solved finally which is indeed, all that matters. :) -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ I've taken a vow of poverty. To annoy me, send money. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Two questions
Hello The Bat! Users, I have two questions. I don't whether it is considered rude to include both of them in one message. Please tell me so if that is the case. And if so: sorry. Ok, here they are: 1) Is it possible in The Bat! to use multiple line cookies? 2) Is it possible to set a different language (for the spell checker) for each address or folder? Greetinx, Martin -- Windows (n): one of the nastiest T.S.R's ever written = Martin 'MuFfiN' van Soest, using 1.38 Beta/4 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 = -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 11:53:58 AM, Martin wrote: 1) Is it possible in The Bat! to use multiple line cookies? Yes, \n in the cookie will split the line. 2) Is it possible to set a different language (for the spell checker) for each address or folder? Not at present. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Two questions
Hello, Tuesday, November 30, 1999, You wrote: Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 11:53:58 AM, Martin wrote: 1) Is it possible in The Bat! to use multiple line cookies? Yes, \n in the cookie will split the line. 2) Is it possible to set a different language (for the spell checker) for each address or folder? Yes in beta4 of 1.38 version %LANGUAGE="CSAPI AM" Not Support for Ofiice2000 yet. -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.38 Beta/4 under the worst Windows 95 4.0 Build B Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 32 MB -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Martin van Soest wrote: 1) Is it possible in The Bat! to use multiple line cookies? Yes. Still give each cookie in the cookie list a single line, but designate a line break by using '\n'. I've taken a vow of poverty.\n To annoy me, send money. will therefore look like this: I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me, send money. 2) Is it possible to set a different language (for the spell checker) for each address or folder? Not in the latest official release version. However, version 1.38 beta 2 and later, do support this with the %LANGUAGE="language id" macro which you may place in folder templates and address specific templates. You can look in the beta list archive http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com for more info on this, since this list is not really for discussing beta versions of The Bat! -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ The Majority is never right unless it includes me. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Activating only certain filters
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Jason, JE OK. As far as I can tell, this is the only list I'm trying to filter JE that doesn't have an "easy" filter criteria (all the others I can JE filter based on either the from, to, or something standardized in the JE subject line.) This one doesn't seem to have any of that - as you JE pointed out, the only way apparently to filter this is based on what's JE in the headers, because the to is just to me, the from is from whoever JE sent it (which is different than all of my other lists I am filtering JE in that on those the from is the list address), and there's no JE standardized subject line. not entirely correct: if you look at the 'To'-adress: only the name differs... you can easily filter on '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in the To-field for this list... (that's the way i do it... it works just fine) HTH :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got to sit down and work out where I stand. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Hello all, on Tuesday, November 30, 1999 at 8:53:58 PM, Martin wrote : 2) Is it possible to set a different language (for the spell checker) for each address or folder? yep !! on account level and/or folder level in the message templates ... for instance %LANGUAGE="NL" to use the build-in Dutch spelling-checker (download install the International Language pack from TheBat! site first) and %LANGUAGE="AM" for this mailing list ... -- Rob ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/4 (reg) and Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 12:21:06 PM, Rob wrote: yep !! on account level and/or folder level in the message templates ... Please be careful on what you say... using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/4 (reg) As you're not using the latest release things are subject to change and a lot of people may not be using the beta software preferring to wait for an official release. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Jason Ellis wrote: Can this be done without using a template, though. I'd like to be able to do it on a per-e-mail basis without having to use a template. I wouldn't want the "special messages" going to everyone - just to those I specifically want to receive them. Quick templates will offer you that functionality. Again, to use your example, create a template that simply contains the %Put="" macro, with the quick templates applet. To do this go to Options | Quick Templates. Whenever you wish to send a recipient this special message then, in the editor window, you may insert the template at any point in your message by going to Utilities | Insert quick template | (then choose the appropriate template). Your templates my comprise just about anything. A quick template may be used as signatures, plain text insertions, for plain text macro insertions or combinations thereof. The possibilities are are really vast in scope. -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: imap folders
Hi there! On 30 Nov 99, at 21:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "imap folders": I am using cyrus imap-server for linux and your mail client. We are searching for a way to configure TheBat! to leave all mails in folders located on the linux mail-server. So far I did not find any solution but to use Netscape Communicator. Another idea was to establish public or at least shared folders on the central server. Is that possible using TheBat!? Not possible with the current version of the program. Is expected to be implemented in the next major release, though. Currently you're limited to using Mozilla, Outlook or Pegasus --- AFAIK these are the only mailers currently available that fully support IMAP4 rev.1. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: If it weren't for Edison, we'd be watching TV by candlelight. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re:Two questions
Hi there! On 30 Nov 99, at 15:55, Jason Ellis wrote about "Re[2]: Two questions": To specifically do the example you sited you can use the %PUT="" macro in a template and place within the quotes, the path to the remote text file. Can this be done without using a template, though. I'd like to be able to do it on a per-e-mail basis without having to use a template. I wouldn't want the "special messages" going to everyone - just to those I specifically want to receive them. Easily, just use "Quick templates feature":-) The online help is there, too:-) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 1:24:43 PM, Ali wrote: Whenever you wish to send a recipient this special message then, in the editor window, you may insert the template at any point in your message by going to Utilities | Insert quick template | (then choose the appropriate template). Or you just type the name of the quick template and then CNTL-Space. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Two questions
Hello Ali, Cool, thanks!! Jason Ellis wrote: Can this be done without using a template, though. I'd like to be able to do it on a per-e-mail basis without having to use a template. I wouldn't want the "special messages" going to everyone - just to those I specifically want to receive them. Quick templates will offer you that functionality. Again, to use your example, create a template that simply contains the %Put="" macro, with the quick templates applet. To do this go to Options | Quick Templates. Whenever you wish to send a recipient this special message then, in the editor window, you may insert the template at any point in your message by going to Utilities | Insert quick template | (then choose the appropriate template). Your templates my comprise just about anything. A quick template may be used as signatures, plain text insertions, for plain text macro insertions or combinations thereof. The possibilities are are really vast in scope. Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Two questions
Martin van Soest wrote: It took me a while to put CSAPI in front of the language with the %language macro, but I won't say anything more about that since ppl have remarked that it is quite unwise to discuss beta-stuff here. It tends to cause confusion, that's all, where beta features are mistakenly thought to be official release features. Btw, %COOKIE="filename" rulez! As many other things with TB! :)) -- Ali Martin| Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Senatorial Courtesy. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: imap folders
Morning Steve Lamb, And Eudora. Not that the implementation of any of them is worth anything. I have a sneaking suspicion that the implementation of TB!'s IMAP may be just as bad considering noone has really gotten it right, yet. Looking around a little: Mulberry, a client that supports exclusively IMAP and is supposed to be good at it. (Windows/Mac, Shareware, ca. $40) http://www.cyrusoft.com/ -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: imap folders
Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 3:25:55 PM, Jast wrote: Looking around a little: Mulberry, a client that supports exclusively IMAP and is supposed to be good at it. (Windows/Mac, Shareware, ca. $40) OK, after playing for a few minutes with it here are my thoughts. Strikes against: o MDI application I cannot stand MDI applications except for Opera and Xircon. If they weren't MDI applications I'd be much happier. However, mail is one of those that MDI is a complete hindrance. This is why the only clients I have used on Windows is PMMail and TB!. o Does not keep mail separated It doesn't seem to keep separate accounts separated and, instead, decides to go the cheap "identities" route. Again, this is not acceptable and one of the deciding reasons why TB! and PMMail have been the only mail applications on Windows that I have used. It seems to be such a simple concept but nearly everyone gets it wrong. o Crashed on configuration Need I say more? I got it to crash on just basic configuration. Points for: o IMAP implementation appears "correct" Correct to me is not insisting on anything being local. IMAP allows for remote access of folders. This means that such "local" folders as "drafts" and "sent-mail" and the like should be allowed to be on the remote server. This, of course, makes the assumption that we're connected to the server at all times but then that is why it is an option, not a requirement. I'd say that its IMAP implementation is about on par with Lookout!'s. I'd love to see something like that in TB! except with the separated accounts and non-MDI application which TB! already has. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Scott's disks
Hello Bats!, Just thought I'd let everyone know, I bought one of Scott Moore's 20 Meg PCMCIA Flash Disks ATA Type II and it arrived today. It is marked *IGT International Game Technology 20MB* and is about half again as thick as the Simple Technology 16MB card I was using. It slid in my 200LX effortlessly and I didn't realize it was as thick as it was until I took it out and looked at it again. It was packaged in a single layer of bubble-wrap which went completely around the card and was taped closed. This was wrapped in a sheet of regular bond paper and was stuffed into a small manila envelop along with a thank-you from Scott. It appears to have suffered no damage in transit and immediately existed when FILER was started. I have done a back-up to it and erased same with no apparent ill effects. Bottom line - no complaints. Best regards, Jack mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: imap folders
Morning Steve Lamb, o MDI application Okay, kindly explain: What is MDI / what does it stand for? As, frankly, I don't know. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: imap folders
Jast wrote: o MDI application Okay, kindly explain: What is MDI / what does it stand for? As, frankly, I don't know. MDI stands for Multiple Document Interface. In such a situation you have the application consisting of one main window and all other windows, like the message composition and message view windows in e-mail clients, open within it as daughter windows. Most popular word processors use an MDI as well. Examples of MDI e-mail clients are Pegasus mail and Eudora. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ The best defense against logic is stupidity. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FIltering TBUDL
On Tuesday, November 30, 1999, Ron wrote: On Tuesday, November 30, 1999, Ali Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron wrote: Does mail from this list really arrive with the "To" field as your address? Mine arrives with To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I just filter on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as recipient. Are you still getting mail from that old address? Mine arrives with To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're right, Ali. I have the new address set as an alternate. Actually, for most people, probably just TBUDL will work fine. Yup, works fine for me and has for a long time. Filter on "tbudl" - recipient, yes. Simple -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Activating only certain filters
Hi Douglas, Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 2:09:45 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote: Hello Alexander all fellow TBUDL members, It's probably better to do it manually. (And you *don't* have to select "manual only" when re-filtering, that choice is only there for display purposes - just to say hello). The "manual only" choice is not just for show. If you select manual only, then your AUTOMATIC active filters are turned off for that filtering operation. Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
Hello Ali all fellow TBUDL members, Tuesday, November 30, 1999, 3:20:22 AM, Ali wrote in response to my saying: What's a Regular Expression, then? AM Let me quote a little excerpt from one of my applications since I find AM it difficult to define a regular expression in one sentence: AM ==8 AM A normal case-sensitive search for the string test string will AM look for and match the exact sequence of characters t e s t AM space s t r i n g. This is how all simple searches work. They AM are very single-minded in the sense that you must explicitly tell AM them exactly what you want to search for. For example, if you AM wanted to search for test string except that you didnt care how AM many spaces separated the two words, and, for that matter, they AM might be line feeds or carriage returns or tabs and not just AM spaces separating the words, you would have a hard time getting AM this done using a simple search. You would end up having to do a AM separate search for each possibility as in: AM testspacestring AM testtabstring AM testcrstring AM testlfstring AM testcrlfstring AM But what about the case where there are two spaces between the words? AM Or a combination of a space and a tab? Pretty soon youll probably AM give up and look for the words manually. Or individually AM Think of a Regular Expression as a string mold. Whereas a simple AM search string will find and match only exactly that string. A single AM Regular Expression will match a whole slew of strings that conform to AM your specifications. Just to whet your palette, here is a Regular AM Expression: AM test[spacetabcrlf]+string AM =8 AM I could send you the whole document if you are interested. Please do. AM Regular expressions can be quite useful in filtering but doesn't AM address the type of functionality that you've been querying. PF I believe that Outgoing Mail filters work on all messages sent. All PF messages being sent may actually go through the Outbox. I've never PF really noticed. As Ali has pointed out, Outgoing Mail filters work on any folder when re-filtering, if the Outgoing Mail filters set is selected for it. When you have a program that's as powerful as this one, with a built in commitment to get down to the roots of things, it's going to attract users who share that vision, that commitment, and this helps make things more consistent, more congruent, which is as things should be. Constructive criticism is both positive and necessary. We have to help the developers be aware of the issues, and these are real issues. AM Agreed. Unfortunately, I do. And this is logical, since I *don't* want to go around looking into all my accounts and folders to see what came in, or even remember be how many messages were in each one before the last mail download. Nor am I going to be able to read all the mail in those boxes, or even want to. AM It would seem to me that you wish to first filter mail that you know AM you will not be reading right away. The incoming message filter set AM should take care of that. AM How about using a read messages filter set for the remaining new AM messages left in the Inbox? In so doing, after reading each remaining AM message in the inbox, it's filtered to it's appropriate destination AM folder upon moving to the next message. I would do that via manual only and re-filtering, as the filter would activate on leaving the message, otherwise. (Sometimes I will look briefly at a message and leave it open until later, or just mark it with parked for later). AM You may add to filter rules as needed that the read message be AM marked unread upon filtering if you like. This may be especially AM necessary if you're just scanning the messages and not really AM reading them in their entirety. In this scenario, would the message never the less be moved? So the boxes are *always* going to show unread mail in them, which I can either weed out as I go by filtering incrementally or by doing it manually, which was done more easily with my last email client, since mail from all accounts was viewed and sorted by the column selected (date, account, subject, sender etc.). TB v. 2 is what may save the day in this regard. AM Doesn't simply clicking the mouse on each column header sort the mail AM according to date, subject, sender etc.? Yes, but there is no account column. In that program, a single inbox accommodated all incoming messages but the receiving account was distinguished by the column. Also, since TB lets me flag only by using parked, I could not move those manually w/o loosing the "flag", which would not be true if filtering, instead (The parked flag is left *and* the message is moved). Alternatively, I could refuse to include parked messages, which would then be left, and these could then be moved manually to their own separate flagged only folder, for that classification (say, a list). AM You should also look at the View |
Re[2]: Activating only certain filters
Hello Ali all fellow TBUDL members, Sunday, November 28, 1999, 5:14:09 PM, Ali wrote in response to my saying: after selecting for Read Mail (for instance), "Manual filters only" can be selected or not, whereas when creating a filter itself, it can be either active, manual only, both or neither. What then, would neither do? Would it still filter (after all it *is* a rule). Neither does nothing, just as not active does nothing. AM The difference with having only 'active' checked and 'active' and AM 'manual only' checked concerns incoming mail only. This is not true if the filter is a "read message" filter. In that case the filter's action will be implemented upon leaving an opened message, unless it's marked unread again first, unless it's also manual only.. And I assume the same is true for Reply filters. AM It has nothing to do with a re-filter operation. A re-filter AM operation reruns the filter rules that are usually run on incoming AM mail automatically, as well the rules that are reserved to be run AM manually. Depending on the rule set selected, and whether you want to run active not manual only or not. AM If during the re-filter operation, you specify that only AM 'manual only' filters are run then the automatic filters for AM incoming mail will not be rerun. By George you are right. This qualifies the statement above, which should include: Unless you select manual only, then active filters that are *not* also manual only will not be triggered. AM Selecting 'manual only' during a re-filter operation will prevent the AM automatic incoming mail filters from running. This switch has no AM effect on whether or not manual filters are run and I agree with this AM system. Aren't you doing a manual operation when re-filtering? So AM isn't this when manual filters should be run? :) Since my past email client had an accounts column, it was easy for me to keep house manually, depending on source, content, importance, follow up required etc. and the decision I'd make at the moment. In TB I *can't* do that, without destroying my parked flags (that's what they are to me, and all they are to me). AM Well see if you get my logic: AM a) To get a filter to work *at all*, you have to have the 'active' AMswitch checked. AM b) An incoming filter with only the 'active' switch checked, is a AMfilter that will work on incoming mail and are run on any new mail AMreceived. These filters are also run during re-filter operations AMcarried out on *any* folder provided the 'manual only' option is AM*not* checked. Once again, you appear to be ignoring read reply message filters, but otherwise we agree. AM c) An incoming filter with both the 'active' and 'manual only' options AMchecked will only be run during manual filtering operations, AMnamely, folder re-filtering exercises. The 'manual only' toggle AMswitch in the folder re-filtering process, doesn't affect the AMrunning of manual filters but, in fact, affects the running of the AM'automatic' filter rules. *That* was what I wasn't capturing. It *prevents* active only filters from being triggered. AMBecause of this, the only way to prevent a 'manual only' filter AMfrom running during a re-filter operation is to uncheck the 'manual AMonly' option in each rules properties. Which would then make it an active rule. If you didn't want it to run at all, you would be better off by unchecking the active option. AM It would seem to me that you need functionality that Alexander AM Kiselev made reference to and that his 'filter sets' support. In AM The Bats! terminology, you seem to need the ability to create AM *multiple* incoming filter sets made up of rules to be run 'manual AM only' so that you may select which set you need to run at a AM particular time. I say this because you are sounding as if you AM need only particular 'manual only' filters to run during each AM re-filter operation instead of all of them at the same time. Very good Ali, that's it. But - I can see a need to filter automatically *first* so that I *can* filter a folder without invoking all rules. I would need the mail divided already, so that the rule or rules applied apply only to the mail in that box, so that the conditions met will not activate the criteria of all the other rules pertaining to the account. But I am not going to change to Pegasus, I am going to get to the bottom of this, and work with this group *and* the developers, if needed (if these things really do show the lack of a consistent and comprehensive logic structure, rather than one I haven't yet discovered). AM I hope my input has helped. :) No question about it. Right now it did. (If you don't try this stuff out, you can't see what it does). And I can see that you more or less do have it down. I have been lumping Read Messages" and "Replied Messages" in with "Incoming Mail" conceptually, when as you point out, these are dealt with separately (not
Re[4]: Activating only certain filters
Hello Jason, in response to your saying: JE the one thing I haven't been able to get to filter at all is this JE mailing list! My rule is as follows: The 2 strings both filter on [EMAIL PROTECTED] The two locations are sender and kludges and of course are yes. It's active only. It works fine, but the fact that 2 strings were used indicates that it didn't at first (I'm assuming that, because I can only recall it with 99% confidence). I can't swear both strings are required, but in any case it works. JE And yes, when I received the signup e-mail it gave instructions for JE setting up a filter for this list, I don't recall seeing that. Should look. Best regards, Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Activating only certain filters
Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AM It has nothing to do with a re-filter operation. A re-filter AM operation reruns the filter rules that are usually run on incoming AM mail automatically, as well the rules that are reserved to be run AM manually. Depending on the rule set selected, and whether you want to run active not manual only or not. Sure. Since my past email client had an accounts column, it was easy for me to keep house manually, depending on source, content, importance, follow up required etc. and the decision I'd make at the moment. In TB I *can't* do that, without destroying my parked flags (that's what they are to me, and all they are to me). TB! keeps all accounts completely independent of each other. I personally prefer this but that's just my humble opinion. :) If the accounts are kept separate from each other then there's no need for an accounts column. :) Outlook is more along what you seem to be suggesting where mail from all accounts is kept in one area, the argument being, why separate the mail when all accounts belong to the user. Once again, you appear to be ignoring read reply message filters, ... since they don't seem to be an immediate issue just yet. :) but otherwise we agree. OK. AMBecause of this, the only way to prevent a 'manual only' filter AMfrom running during a re-filter operation is to uncheck the 'manual AMonly' option in each rules properties. Which would then make it an active rule. If you didn't want it to run at all, you would be better off by unchecking the active option. Err. That's what I meant actually. My booboo. :) AM Yes, I am eagerly awaiting help file documentation on 'regular AM expressions' use in TB!. So far, all my knowledge is being attained AM through other apps that use Regexps. Have you had any results? I have used regular expressions a couple times but can't find use for it in my own message filtering. Steve Lamb mentioned that regular expressions could make me not have to create all the rules that I use, but I don't think so, since for each folder that I create to which messages are filtered, I need to create at least one rule with at least one string defined. Regular expressions may help if a rule has many strings defined and one could possibly create a regular expression that covers all the strings, thus preventing my having to enter all the strings separately. I *do* have a couple folders with many alternate strings entered, but the headers vary so much in unique content, that using a regular expression to accurately cover strings that will correspond to all and only those messages that I wish to filter is nigh unto impossible. This changes the scenario. It *isn't* true then, that all the accounts rules are applied at once. alt + f + f gives you a choice of any or all or the 4 sets available - in, out, read replied. This is basic stuff that I was ignoring at the outset, while putting the totality together. Yes, it does. You therefore have four filter sets, two equally functional, but the other two being restricted to filtering only replied or read messages. The logic to it is not as apparent as it cold be, but there *is* functionality there. Rules *can* be activating relatively independently, within the constraints of the range of choices given. I'm not sure of the advantages to this though, if any. snip Once again, there is a degree of freedom here, but I'm still not sure if this is the best way to get there (meaning that I'm not sure that TB's filtering processes are on the same level as some of the other things I know and like about TB, in relation to other options used by other email clients. Is there something unique about TB's filtering design that somehow jives particularly well with other positive aspects of TB. As its, it seems useful but subject to improvement. I don't see the advantage either. I think the present implementation is an attempt to make things clearer but they have, to me, done the opposite. :( The filter manager should, IMHO, be just like the address book in design. All filter rules are made from the same template. You may create filter sets as you create address groups. All rules gain their function as you tick away at options etc. to 'carve' it into shape. If you make the Inbox the source folder, the rule becomes an incoming filter rule and if the source folder is the Outbox, it becomes an outgoing filter rule. You should be able to make these rules executable upon various events, singly or in combination. Say for example: Toggle switches should be provided to make each rule be automatically applied upon either receiving mail, sending mail, opening or closing the source folder, or just to make it plain manual only. Message attributes should be offered as filter criteria on a per rule basis, such as, message read, unread, replied, message age, message priority etc. If flags and color coding are being supported in future versions then these
Re: Autoreply Function
Clemens Vermeulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone know how to get The Bat! to 'Auto-Respond' to incoming messages? Any tips would would be greatly appreciated. You could use the read confirmation support as an auto responder. The read confirmation template may be created and activated on a per folder basis. The message filter rules also offers the ability to autorespond using the 'send auto-reply' option under the Actions tab in the filter rules configuration applet. HTH. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/4 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
