Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Leif, Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:21:14 AM, you wrote: LG Ok, ok, I've had it!!! grin LG I've never heard of an AltGr key before in my life until about two LG weeks ago when I got my new (English) laptop and low and behold, there LG is an AltGr key on it. LG What is it for? It seems to function just like the ALT key on the left LG of my spacebar. Well, actually it selects some special third characters on some of the keys (in Germany it's AltGr-ß for the backslash, for example (ß is right next to 0 on the German keyboard). I dunno if the English one has one as well - but maybe the Euro symbol is on an AltGr-ed key... - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ It's redundant! It's redundant! - - R. E. Dundant ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHWQg7fqRmh+VoydEQIbMQCfdoW3o5TUFUZNnWkz5un5v5aCZtkAoPnU MFec9eEsEHD+YeRVUyiA9sLY =Y5vv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: question about the serial numbers
Hello Allgaeu, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 at 22:33:44 [GMT +0100], you wrote: ABUG Sometimes the X-Mailer shows "The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N ", ABUG sometimes the edition is also displayed. Example: "The Bat! ABUG (v1.38e) S/N / Personal". ABUG I'm just interested in: does this depend on the creator of the ABUG key or of the date? I believe it depends on when your key was created. Those whose x-mailer shows no edition, registered quite a while back. I'm not sure when they started including the edition, but it was well after I had gotten my registration key. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A room temperature IQ. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: RITLABS interview almost...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Leif, Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:34:00 AM, you wrote: LG If their browser is as functional (power-wise), and is priced roughly LG the same as TB is, then I think Opera can be beat! LG My browser of choice is Opera too, but I'm always on the lookout for LG something better. Guys, I have this dim feeling they're not even talking about a browser here, rather some radically different piece of software... Maybe? - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ This is an answer given by an 11-year-old on a science exam: To remove dust from the eye, pull the eye down over the nose. ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHWR4bfqRmh+VoydEQIa9QCdG4g7Xprs/lCvo5HtIwxo7XtWKuIAoLfp BCftpWNJkmBdRKrrWDMbZmap =tvWB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Lionel Elie Mamane, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:49:46 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:49:46 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: Lionel Hello tracer, Lionel Thursday, January 06, 2000, 3:48:37 PM, you wrote: t If this same trick works with Compuserve, no idea, try it... Lionel Yeah, it works. You can access the whole Compuserve network from ANY Lionel internet connection, with the Compuserve software. Thats what I expected so essentially compuserve doesnt need a slow local dialin over in our case a 2400 line to sabotage it. Just dial in with any local usp and when on line use the compuserve software... Like with the AOL Thanks, I never had a compuserve customer here so I didnt know... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:45:02 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:45:02 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cid So let me get this straight... TB!'s filters only work on a cid particular account? cid There's no way to set a global filter set for all incoming mail? cid (other than the forwarding options, and moving messages around first?) cid Should seem that it would be nice to have a little check box: cid Apply to all accounts maybe but I have the suspicion that a horrible mess could result.. As Steve said, merging mail to split it up again is the wrong way to do it. But you need suitable destination mail boxes for your usage. After that filter and consider that your bulky stuff should be tackled first, makes it easier. After that you can filter to any box in any account (whereever you want). The acount doesnt even have to be unique, could be a duplicate of another one but with different settings. If your incoming mail is organised it saves you a lot of work and you can see that certain boxes have mail but arent important so you just leave them till later. The simpler your filters the better they will work. I have no need for regular expressions on them (g) cid Derek cid At Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:56:33 +0100, you wrote: Hello TBUDL, On Wednesday, January 05, 2000, , Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: cid [ Various multiple account filtering questions in detail snipped] Bye! Windisch Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Copy of outgoing messages to other mail address?
Hello Steve Lamb, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:41:57 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:41:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Thursday, January 06, 2000, 11:33:35 AM, Carsten wrote: Interesting approach... Not what I'd personally prefer - I think I like the %BCC="" macro better, but I can see how the automatic backups would be really great as well - _if_ I had a ZIP drive at work! ;] Steve I started with a floppy drive and ended up buying a parallel ZIP that I Steve install at work. I want a new machine here so I can have an IDE ZIP. They're Steve fast enough to run TB! off it instead of just using it as a transport medium. You can play mp3's of them as wellI do (g). Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hi Marck, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:20:00 +GMT (07/01/2000, 17:20 +0800GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, by the way, the Pound symbol?). -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello Leif Gregory, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:24:57 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:24:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: Leif Hello users, Leif nah-nah nah-nah nah-nahh I've got the answers and you don't!! Leif very large grin I hope they realise that the best way to sell it is to get it used and the sooner we can start playing and find bugs the better. Leif Leif Gregory Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:20:16 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:20:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hi Lionel, Thomas On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:49:46 +0100GMT (07/01/2000, 02:49 +0800GMT), Thomas Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: t If this same trick works with Compuserve, no idea, try it... LEM Yeah, it works. You can access the whole Compuserve network from ANY LEM internet connection, with the Compuserve software. Thomas Right. But my initial question assumed that I'm travelling and don't Thomas have the cserve software with me. With my current ISP's I just telnet Thomas and work on the server, in pine. I used to be able to do that (not Thomas exactly unix/pine, but cserve menu-driven special) on cserve. That was Thomas my point: what if you don't have the cserve software with you? Borrow it, like the AOL stuff they flog it all around the world but anyway if I had a compuserve account I would Always have a copy installed and as backup with me. Especially I I traveled... Call it a travel cd with the stuff I MIGHT need... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hi tracer, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:45:39 +0700GMT (07/01/2000, 17:45 +0800GMT), tracer wrote: Thomas Right. But my initial question assumed that I'm travelling and don't Thomas have the cserve software with me. With my current ISP's I just telnet t Borrow it, like the AOL stuff they flog it all around the world but t anyway if I had a compuserve account I would Always have a copy t installed and as backup with me. t Especially I I traveled... t Call it a travel cd with the stuff I MIGHT need... I would like to see the Internet Cafe owner on whose computer is suddenly start to install software... g -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Import from PEGASUS 3.11
Hello, Tried somebody import messages from PEGASUS 3.11 by IMPORT WIZARD? -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.38e under the worst Windows 95 4.0 Build B Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 32 MB -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to get rid of the DUN window?
Dear Carsten, on Thursday, January 06, 2000, 20:50, you wrote: CD If you do use it, sounds to me like the routing wants to go over DUN CD first, _then_ the network. MH That is quite close, I think. The question still is: why? CD Ahh, now that's always the deep one, ain't it!? ;] CD In that case I guess I can't help you except with the eternal CD "reinstall Windows" advice - which I try and avoid like the plague! CD ;] No, seriously though, maybe uninstalling DUN, rebooting and CD reinstalling could fix this. MH I doubt that. If you read my original posting again you will see that MH the DUN windows comes up only when sending mail. It does *not* come up MH when retrieving mail. On top of that, it does only come up the first MH time when sending after launching TB. MH Thus it looks like a TB problem to me, not like a Win98 problem. If it MH would be a Win98 problem, it would happen always and not only when MH sending mail. CD Hmm... Gotta admit, this one's got me stumped. Could you maybe send me CD how you configured your network (all params in the TCP/IP section) OK, here are the properties of "TCP/IP - Intel EtherExpress(TM) PRO/10+ (PnP enabled)" - sorry for some German terms: Tab IP-Adresse: "IP-Adresse festlegen" enabled IP-Adresse : 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 Tab WINS-Konfiguration: "WINS-Auflösung deaktivieren" enabled Tab Gateway:no entry DNS-Konfiguration: "DNS aktivieren" enabled Host : PC01 Domäne: AirTraffic Suchreihenfolge für DNS-Server:no entry Suchreihenfolge für Domänensuffix: no entry Remark (1): corresponding entries have been made in the HOSTS file in the Windows directory as well as in the NWHOST file in the Novell client directory Remark (2): although DNS is enabled, I'm not using it. In TB I have entered the IP address 192.168.1.1 for POP and SMTP server. Tab NetBIOS:"NetBIOS über TCP/IP aktivieren" enabled Tab Erweitert: "Bindung an ATM zulassen" = Nein "Als Standardprotokoll definieren" disabled Remark: enabling TCP/IP as the default protocol does not change TB's behaviour Tab Bindungen: no entry CD and the DUN config as well (all params for everything) Tab Allgemein: Rufnummer: 0191011 "Ortsvorwahl und Wählparameter verwenden" disabled Verbinden über: MicroLink 56k pro Tab Servertypen:Typ des DFÜ-Servers: PPP: Internet, Windows NT Server, Windows 98 Erweiterte Optionen: all disabled Zulässige Netzwerkprotokolle: TCP/IP enabled, all others disabled Button TCP/IP-Einstellungen: "Vom Server zugewiesene IP-Adresse" enabled "Vom Server zugewiesene Namensserveradressen" enabled "IP-Header-Komprimierung" enabled "Standard-Gateway im Remote-Netzwerk verwenden verwenden" enabled (What does the latter mean BTW?) Tab Skript: no script "Terminalfenster minimiert starten" enabled Tab Multilink: "Keine zusätzlichen Geräte verwenden" enabled CD and then get the output of the following commands (done in a DOS CD window): CD route print Aktive Routen: Netzwerkadresse Subnet Mask Gateway-AdresseSchnittstelle Anzahl 127.0.0.0255.0.0.0127.0.0.1127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.0255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 1 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.255127.0.0.1127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 1 224.0.0.0224.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 1 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 1 CD netstat -a Aktive Verbindungen Proto Lokale Adresse Remote-AdresseStatus TCPPC01:smtp 0.0.0.0:0 LISTENING TCPPC01:pop3 0.0.0.0:0 LISTENING This output is related to the local mail server that is running on my machine, I believe. But what is interesting: the output above is the one I get *after* I established an SMTP connection to our local mail server at least once (and remember, the DUN windows comes up only the
RE: Downloading some messages now, more later
I want to download some of them now and leave the rest, but be able to download those later. Can this be done? If so, what would the procedure be? One day I tried to do that but when I tried to get the message left on the server they were no longer visible. i've been using that procedure for a long time. i start the 'dispatcher', unmark the 'receive' and 'delete' boxes for my girlfriend's mail, so she can retrieve them on her own PC later and then do 'start transfer' for my own mail. it used to work without any problem, but the past couple weeks i noticed the same as you ; mail i thought i left on the server disappeared !! but i'm also experimenting with X-Ray (mail-filter/server), so i'm still figuring out if it's TB!, X-Ray or myself making mistakes ... ;-) -- Rob -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:30:54 AM, you wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an TF I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, TF by the way, the Pound symbol?). *grin* Simple, but mean, answer: you DON'T! ;] I don't even have the Pound symbol on my German keyboard - you have to live without both, I'm afraid... Best thing you can do is get yourself some sort of keyboard macro util and set up a shortcut for it, like Ctrl-Alt-E, or something like that. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: How to get rid of the DUN window?
Hello Michael, Friday, January 07, 2000, 11:45:29 AM, you wrote: [Mail removed] I think I'll move this to a private discussion between Michael and me - seeing as we're both German, we can do this in German then and leave it off the mailing list! ;] If we ever come to a result, I'll be sure to post it... -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Massive Download Message Size bug
Hello Derek and Bat Buddies, I'm using Win98 on a Celeron 300 with about 500 MB free on the disk drive, 64 MB RAM... Well I can't give any specifics (as this was some time ago), but TB has shown me the same behavior Derek is describing. The message had an MP3 (perhaps about 7mb..a bit on the large size for mp3) attached to it, and as Derek says, TB claimed it was out of memory after having received the message. At the time my system was Win95 osr2 AMD-K6 233mhz 64mb - plenty of swap space. Of course, this was also many TB versions in the past. I'm bored now and not using my bandwidth, so I'm sending myself a 5,386,240 byte attachment to see how it goes. I'll report back in a while if I get that error again. :) -- Unequivocally, Jason Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mind is the standard of the man. --Joseph Merrick The Bat! v1.38e -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Import from PEGASUS 3.11
Hello Marek, I did it from 3.12b...worked great. It didn't bring in trays, but all the folders made it. Derek Written in response to your letter of Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:11:22 AM: MM Hello, MM Tried somebody import messages from PEGASUS 3.11 by IMPORT WIZARD? -- Best regards, Derekmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Turn Off Confirmation Dialog Revisited
Thomas wrote: OK, an option "delete read|replied messages only" would be handy, I get your point. Let me second that. I wrote about this just a day or two ago (finding out the hard way that purge old included unread messages). FWIW, there ARE mail readers out there that behave as described above; an unread message is never considered old. (The Other) Derek -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -'95 Concours DoD #1359 COG #2103 SR #772 AEE #036025 ASHRAE #5106329 PADI NRA LF-FL A (American Association Against Acronym Abuse) Born to be Wild. Sentenced to Sedation. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Autoformat oddity
Why is it the TB's autoformatting doesn't like carriage returns? For example, try to type this: Hello How are you? When you start typing the 'H' of 'How', it jumps back onto the previous line. Why? This is extremely irratating. -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: question about the serial numbers
Hello Leif, I believe it depends on when your key was created. Those whose x-mailer shows no edition, registered quite a while back. I'm not sure when they started including the edition, but it was well after I had gotten my registration key. Thanks for your message. Might be so, I was just interested. :-) -- Allgaeu BeOS User Group http://www.albug.de.cx [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Autoformat oddity
I can reproduce this as well, the only workaround is to either switch off auto-format while you do the lines or to keep pressing Enter a couple of times. Regards, Martyn On 07 January 2000, Tim Fountain wrote:- Why is it the TB's autoformatting doesn't like carriage returns? For example, try to type this: Hello How are you? When you start typing the 'H' of 'How', it jumps back onto the previous line. Why? This is extremely irratating. -- Martyn Drake Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Web site - http://www.drake.org.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Autoformat oddity
Hi Tim, On 07 January 2000 at 01:48:20 GMT + (which was 01:48 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF Why is it the TB's autoformatting doesn't like carriage returns? TF Why? This is extremely irratating. This is because TB's auto-formatting works in terms of paragraphs, not lines. A new paragraph is separated from the previous by a blank line. i.e. Hello How are you? If the lines are consecutive, they will be joined together by the auto-format functionality. To stop this happening use Ctrl-Shift-F to toggle auto-format off whenever you need to use consecutive lines in this manner. Although many complain about this aspect of a/f and eventually turn it off and use Alt-L / Alt-J to manually reformat while typing, I personally like it this way and think that a blank line between them makes message paragraphs clearer, cleaner and easier to read ... *tracer ... please note!* ;-). Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hi, I've been using The Bat for a couple of weeks now, and I've already registered it as it is by far the best Windows mail client I've used. However, one thing I don't seem to be able to master is to setup a filter to catch most of the spam sent to me. I've got quite a few email addresses (about 30), but all of them contain either 'tim', 'acornarcade', 'iconbar', or 'webmaster'. I want to set up a filter to check the recipient part of the headers for each of those words, and if none of them are present, move the message to the 'Junk' folder which I have created. So, I created a filter with the following in the strings field: 'tim | acornarcade | iconbar | webmaster' That checks the recipient field and has 'no' ticked for 'present'. However, this filter doesn't seemt to be working as it moves /all/ my emails to the Junk box. Any ideas? The only thing I don't like about The Bat is the fact that it quotes with '' instead of ' '. I find a piece of quoted text that looks like this: Hello Hi Hi! Easier to read and follow than this: Hello Hi Hi! Yes, I know I'm fussy, but ' ' seems to be the standard method of quoting so I would like The Bat to use it or at least have it as an option. But other than that and the rather quirky auto-formatting, it's an excellent program. I've seen people talk about The Bat version 2, so what exactly is this, what features will it have and when will it be available? Anyway, below is my 'wish list' for new features: - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent several emails without subjects :-( ). - Option to colour signature's with a different colour to the rest of the message. - Option for different colours for different quoting levels. - Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add others that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button. - Recognise the 'user-agent' header as well as the 'x-mailer' one when you ask the program to show the name of the user's email program. - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets up a filter moving messages by that author into a specified box. Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
announcement
Hello, as I wrote yesterday, we are setting up a German homepage for The Bat! which can be reached unter http://www.thebat.de soon (just waiting for the DNS of the providers :) For German-speaking users, we have set up a German mailing list. What I would love to know is, a) How many users are interested in that? Would you like a German list, too or is it okay for you to have an English-only list? b) We would love you to try out the new list. Just point your browser to http://www.ecircle.de/an_ecircle/info?ecircleid=3207 and start discussing. Information about how to subscribe can be read directly on the page. In the future, the page can also be reached at http://liste.thebat.de Thank you very much for your help, much appreciated. :-) Sincerely yours, Florian Personal Replys ONLY at: mail (at) florian-effenberger.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Address Handling Bug?
On Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:58:55 AM, Stuart Gardiner wrote: ND Could someone please confirm or deny this bug (or at least ND inconsistency)? ND When right clicking on an email and using the specials|Add sender to ND address book (or ctrl-w) it sends the From: field entry to the AB. You are lucky this function does not work in any for me? Anyone any ideas why?Thanks I too cannot seem to have TB automatically enter the addresses to my Address Book, either by right clicking, or Message/Special off the toll bar? I thought it used to work for me... I know it did, actually... but not at the moment?? Nick --- -=Nick Andriash=- MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Tim, Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:23:22 PM, you wrote: TF - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I TFfrequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this TFfeature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent TFseveral emails without subjects :-( ). Yup, but please with an option to turn this off - seeing as some people are dead set against confirmation boxes... *grin* TF - Option to colour signature's with a different colour to the rest TFof the message. How would you recognize where the .sig is? By the "-- " part? Not all .sig's have this... Then you'd get people asking "Why is the signature not colored in the message?" ;] TF - Option for different colours for different quoting levels. Interesting, but could get very confusing in "badly" formatted mails... TF - Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add TFothers that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button. That's one I want, too! ;] TF - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets up TFa filter moving messages by that author into a specified box. You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list window when you've marked the appropriate message and a dialog pops up asking you what criteria to use and where to move it to (a simplified version of the Account|Sorting Office/Filters menu command). -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: question about the serial numbers
On Thursday, January 06, 2000, 1:33:44 PM, Allgaeu BeOS User Group wrote: Sometimes the X-Mailer shows "The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N ", sometimes the edition is also displayed. Example: "The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N / Personal". Are you referring to "edition" or "version"? The only differences I see from your above example, is the inclusion of "/Personal" on some, as all seem to have the "version" number included. Nick --- -=Nick Andriash=- MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Great suggestions...I agree with all of them... I just have two comments: - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent several emails without subjects :-( ). Yes, I even sent a message to this user group without a subject...silly me! - Option to colour signature's with a different colour to the rest of the message. Good... - Option for different colours for different quoting levels. Very Good... - Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add others that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button. yes, I like it... - Recognise the 'user-agent' header as well as the 'x-mailer' one when you ask the program to show the name of the user's email program. Haven't had a need for this, I've never seen user-agent, but if it's out there, it should be supported. - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets up a filter moving messages by that author into a specified box. I think you can already do this by right clicking. I'm not at "The bat" at the moment, but I believe that if you right click, and go to "Creat filter" (Maybe this is under specials?) You can create a filter with the information from that message (Sender, subject, etc) Cheers, Tim. Right back atcha, Derek -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hallo Carsten, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:04:46 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 19:04 +0800 GMT), Carsten Dreesbach wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an TF I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, TF by the way, the Pound symbol?). CD *grin* Simple, but mean, answer: you DON'T! ;] I don't even have the CD Pound symbol on my German keyboard - you have to live without both, CD I'm afraid... Best thing you can do is get yourself some sort of CD keyboard macro util and set up a shortcut for it, like Ctrl-Alt-E, or CD something like that. What's the ASCII code? My ASCII tables are knd of old - the Euro symbol hadn't been invented yet. And I'm too lazy to make a new one by typing it all out. TIA. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Massive Download Message Size bug
Hallo Jason, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:22:41 -0800 GMT (07.01.2000, 19:22 +0800 GMT), Jason Thompson wrote: I'm using Win98 on a Celeron 300 with about 500 MB free on the disk drive, 64 MB RAM... JT Well I can't give any specifics (as this was some time ago), but TB has JT shown me the same behavior Derek is describing. The message had an MP3 JT (perhaps about 7mb..a bit on the large size for mp3) attached to it, and JT as Derek says, TB claimed it was out of memory Maybe TB has a problem swapping. Are both of you working with 64K RAM? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hallo Tim,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:23:22 + GMT (07.01.2000, 21:23 +0800 GMT),
Tim Fountain wrote:
TF So, I created a filter with the following in the strings field:
TF'tim | acornarcade | iconbar | webmaster'
TF That checks the recipient field and has 'no' ticked for 'present'.
TF However, this filter doesn't seemt to be working as it moves /all/ my
TF emails to the Junk box. Any ideas?
This ("|") is an "OR" operation. What you want is and "AND" operaton:
IF .NOT.tim .AND. .NOT.acornarcade .AND. .NOT.iconbar .AND.
.NOT.webmaster THEN move the mail to the spam folder.
You do this as follows (I think):
Make four Rules. They must all be under first tab, don't use
alternatives. Add the second, third fourth rule by clicking on "ADD".
Rules on the tab are considered as having been true at the same time,
to make the filter kick in.
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Sent folder
Hello TBUDL! I have noticed that while TB will show creation and time and received time for incoming messages, I have creation time and "saved" time in the sent folder. While I personally have no use for the "saved" time, I would like to have an option to display the "sent" time. And for those folders to which I filter both incoming and outgoing messages, I have a "received" time even for the sent messages. What exactly is this time stamp - I assume the actaul "saved" time? Could this column be called received/sent instead, and show the appropriate time. If the function is received/saved it makes no sense to me at all. Does anybody think the same? -- Ciao, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Generated with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:50:42 PM, you wrote: TF Hallo Carsten, TF On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:04:46 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 19:04 +0800 GMT), TF Carsten Dreesbach wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an TF I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, TF by the way, the Pound symbol?). CD *grin* Simple, but mean, answer: you DON'T! ;] I don't even have the CD Pound symbol on my German keyboard - you have to live without both, CD I'm afraid... Best thing you can do is get yourself some sort of CD keyboard macro util and set up a shortcut for it, like Ctrl-Alt-E, or CD something like that. TF What's the ASCII code? My ASCII tables are knd of old - the Euro TF symbol hadn't been invented yet. And I'm too lazy to make a new one by TF typing it all out. TIA. It's not _in_ ASCII, it _is_, however, in ANSI - the character set Windows uses. Just load the symbol table in Accessories and you should be able to find it. In case you don't have that installed, it's 128 for (that's the Euro, in case your font doesn't have it... ;] ) and 163 for £ (Pound). -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
SOT: Re[2]: Massive Download Message Size bug
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:08:02 PM, you wrote: TF Maybe TB has a problem swapping. Are both of you working with 64K RAM? *LOL* I'm sure you _meant_ 64M, not K, right? Or was I not aware that TB! ran on the C64? *grin* Sorry, I just had to laugh when I saw that typo, not trying to be mean or anything! -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:06:44 PM, you wrote:
TF This ("|") is an "OR" operation. What you want is and "AND" operaton:
TF IF .NOT.tim .AND. .NOT.acornarcade .AND. .NOT.iconbar .AND.
TF .NOT.webmaster THEN move the mail to the spam folder.
TF You do this as follows (I think):
TF Make four Rules. They must all be under first tab, don't use
TF alternatives. Add the second, third fourth rule by clicking on "ADD".
TF Rules on the tab are considered as having been true at the same time,
TF to make the filter kick in.
Just a thing on terminology, because this confused me and it might not
have been clear to Tim, either: I think what you mean is create 4
_filtering strings_ in one _rule_, right? All of those should then
have "Presence" set to "No" and thus you would have your AND
connection, as you so correctly described.
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Submission forms - recent additions
Hello TBUDL! http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/forms.html reflects recent additions (such as DEFTPL, VBODYRE, WORDWRAP, BATCH, QUEUEOUT, TPL, NFO, PASSWORD, MASK Parameter (Character-By-Character Validation and URL/EMAIL/DATA/REGEX/MANDATORY), to submission forms that were not descrivbed in 1.38e help file. Online reference (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/hlp_eng.html) has also been updated. -- Max Masyutin, Software Engineer RIT Research Labs http://www.ritlabs.com/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: announcement
Hello Florian, Hamburg/GER, Friday, January 07, 2000 in your mail dated Friday, January 07, 2000, 14:36, you whispered something about "announcement": FE as I wrote yesterday, we are setting up a German homepage for The Bat! FE which can be reached unter http://www.thebat.de soon (just waiting for FE the DNS of the providers :) Congratulations! Sounds great, but... FE For German-speaking users, we have set up a German mailing list. FE a) How many users are interested in that? Would you like a German FE list, too or is it okay for you to have an English-only list? ...there is already existing a german mailing list, which is called thebat-dt on onelist.com. And even if it is well known (at least among us Germans here) there is not much traffic. I don't know if it makes a lot of sense to create another one (with even less traffic, I guess). -- Best regards, Andreas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 2nd Edition 4.10 Build A with an AMD K6-III 400, 128MB SDRAM PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Sent folder
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:17:37 PM, you wrote: TF I have noticed that while TB will show creation and time and received TF time for incoming messages, I have creation time and "saved" time in TF the sent folder. TF While I personally have no use for the "saved" time, I would like to TF have an option to display the "sent" time. I believe the "saved" time _is_, in fact, the "sent" time. TF And for those folders to which I filter both incoming and outgoing TF messages, I have a "received" time even for the sent messages. What TF exactly is this time stamp - I assume the actaul "saved" time? Could TF this column be called received/sent instead, and show the appropriate TF time. If the function is received/saved it makes no sense to me at TF all. TF Does anybody think the same? Well, here I don't quite agree. I think the more "normal" or common, if you like, case is that one folder only contains either sent or received mail. As a matter of fact, "normally" (definition here being "in most cases") the Sent folder is the only one that contains sent mail. Thus it would make little sense to the majority of users to have that kind of column heading. I see what you mean though. I have some "special" folders where I do the same thing. However, I can easily identify which ones are the sent messages, because they have my name in the "From" column! ;] -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:23:22 PM, you wrote: TF - Option to colour signature's with a different colour to the rest TFof the message. How would you recognize where the .sig is? By the "-- " part? Not all .sig's have this... Then IMO they aren't proper sigs. The program isn't psychic, so if people don't use the proper sig-sep then they shouldn't be surprised when The Bat doesn't the signature. TF - Option for different colours for different quoting levels. Interesting, but could get very confusing in "badly" formatted mails... That's true, but I've used email programs that have this option and it can be very helpful. TF - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets up TFa filter moving messages by that author into a specified box. You've already got that Aha, you learn something every day! Thanks. -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Autoformat oddity
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: On 07 January 2000 at 01:48:20 GMT + (which was 01:48 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF Why is it the TB's autoformatting doesn't like carriage returns? TF This is extremely irratating. This is because TB's auto-formatting works in terms of paragraphs, not lines. A new paragraph is separated from the previous by a blank line. Although many complain about this aspect of a/f and eventually turn it off and use Alt-L / Alt-J to manually reformat while typing, I personally like it this way and think that a blank line between them makes message paragraphs clearer, cleaner and easier to read ... *tracer ... please note!* ;-). Yes so do I, but I don't think The Bat should enforce that method, especially as this way The Bat is stopping me doing lists as well. BTW: the Alt-L keyboard shortcut doesn't seem to work for me, I can only left justify text by selecting the option from the menu. Has anyone else found this? -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:23:22 +, Tim Fountain wrote: [..snip..] However, one thing I don't seem to be able to master is to setup a filter to catch most of the spam sent to me. I've got quite a few email addresses (about 30), but all of them contain either 'tim', 'acornarcade', 'iconbar', or 'webmaster'. I want to set up a filter to check the recipient part of the headers for each of those words, and if none of them are present, move the message to the 'Junk' folder which I have created. A very effective method that I use for spam filtering (I got the tip from Steve Lamb) is based on two principles. The first is that message filtering is done through each rule in the filter list being carried out one after the other, in descending order. Once a message is filtered by a particular rule, it will not be filtered again. The next is that the majority of spammers do not send messages addressed to you personally. The first thing to do is to create filters for discussion list mails and newletters which tend not to be addressed to you directly. Leave your other filters intact. Make a final filter rule as the one you are doing below for non-specific messages which are addressed to you personally but which do not meet your other specific filter rules criteria. So, I created a filter with the following in the strings field: 'tim | acornarcade | iconbar | webmaster' That checks the recipient field and has 'no' ticked for 'present'. However, this filter doesn't seemt to be working as it moves /all/ my emails to the Junk box. Any ideas? Leave the string as is. However, select 'yes' for 'Presence', and make the Inbox *both* the source folder and the destination folder. You may then create a SPAM folder for which you will create a filter to move all messages not yet filtered to. This will be the last filter rule in the list. My filter rule goes like this: filter string: 'e' Location: 'Anywhere' Presence: 'Yes', Source folder: Inbox Move messages to folder: Inbox\SPAM Actions: Mark message as read When you're done your antispam filter setup will be organized something like this: 1st'ly) Filter rules for discussion list mail followed by 2nd'ly) Filter rules for newsletters and such. followed by 3rd'ly) Filter rules for specific personal messages. followed by 4th'ly) Filter rule to keep not yet filtered messages addressed to you in the inbox. followed finally by Last but not least) Filter rule to move the remaining messages to the spam folder. This setup works very nicely against my spammers. I have had this setup for some time and converted 3-4 spam messages/day entering my inbox to only one reaching my inbox since implementation. Even the recent TBUDL spammers message hit the spam folder as it should have. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Have it OUR way. Yours is IRRELEVANT. At BORGerKing. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: RITLABS interview almost...
Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:42:38 AM, tracer wrote: I hope they realise that the best way to sell it is to get it used and the sooner we can start playing and find bugs the better. "Release early, release often." Wow, someone advocating the Open Source model of development to a commercial vendor? Whodathunkit? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Friday, January 07, 2000, 8:27:00 AM, Alexander wrote: Seems *not* to be different to me, since the messages containing the discussions of the *same* mathematical problems arrive to all three of them:-) Technically, it's different, but for *me* as a mathematician g they aren't... Then that is a problem that you and your colleagues need to work out between yourselves and not flippantly demanding new and harmful "features" to be crammed into an otherwise decent client. The point is that this message has to be *stored* in the same folder as other messages dealing with the same problem, but such messages come to all three of my accounts. Again, a problem between chairs and keyboards. Fix it there, not here. I do not use the mouse when working with my mail. So your idea won't work for me. ALT-M, M, highlight folder, enter. It does work. What you are calling a problem is a style of working for me, which permits me to have the things done. Dixi. No, it is a problem. I don't seem to have that problem if keeping work mail in my work account and home mail in my home account. The *ONLY* time the two ever mix is when I send mail to my work mailing list from my home account to let them know I'm going to be late and/or sick and don't feel like opening TB! up (if it isn't already). It is not that hard. It involves getting people to use the PROPER address for work and the proper address for home. Since the two rarely mix, what's the problem? Tell me, why is it so hard for you and your cohorts, people I assume of reasonable intelligence, to grasp this basic common sense approach to your problem? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: RITLABS interview almost...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:39:25 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Guys, I have this dim feeling they're not even talking about a browser here, rather some radically different piece of software... Maybe? If it is some sort of internet "suite", it has been done and has failed each time because it ends up being a bloated, unintelligible pig. chuckle IOW's Steve, don't even think about it? :)) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Machine-independent: Does not run on any existing machine. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 8:38:47 AM, Allie wrote: A very effective method that I use for spam filtering (I got the tip from Steve Lamb) is based on two principles. The first is that message If anyone is interested in seeing examples of this, albiet for another email client (PMMail), look here: http://www.rpglink.com/~morpheus/pmmail/. Those pictures are quite old, truth be told, but it should get the basic point and logic across. I'd do one for TB! except that I rarely get spam at my home account anymore since I handle my own mail. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:23:22 AM, Tim wrote: The only thing I don't like about The Bat is the fact that it quotes with '' instead of ' '. I find a piece of quoted text that looks like this: Funny, this is quoted from you and is starts with " " - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent several emails without subjects :-( ). Bad idea. This is an error between chair and keyboard, fix it there. I'm very much opposed to warnings on things which are not technically required. The only headers which are required are FROM, TO/BCC and DATE. Since SUBJECT is not required, don't issue a warning since the user may be intending to send a message without a subject. - Option to colour signature's with a different colour to the rest of the message. Decent if everyone would put the standard sig delimiter. A feature I like in SLRN and VIM. - Option for different colours for different quoting levels. Could get messy. I never really saw a need for this, even after seeing it in action. - Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add others that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button. How about "show kludges" renamed to what it is, "show headers." :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Autoformat oddity
In Reference to "Autoformat oddity" From Tim Fountain: TF BTW: the Alt-L keyboard shortcut doesn't seem to work for me, I can TF only left justify text by selecting the option from the menu. Has TF anyone else found this? Perhaps you've fallen victim to the dreaded mouse bug here. If you mouse click into the paragraph in question the Alt-L will not work. If you keyboard cursor to it it will. Work around? Mouse click in the paragraph and then just whack an arrow key once then Alt-L should jump into action. HTH -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 4,000 blundering undergraduate biology students place a "For Sale" sign on your nose. Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:42:03 +0100, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: [..snip..] TF - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets up TFa filter moving messages by that author into a specified box. You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list window when you've marked the appropriate message and a dialog pops up asking you what criteria to use and where to move it to (a simplified version of the Account|Sorting Office/Filters menu command). I'd only recommend this method of filter rule creation, only when creating kill filters specifically, since kill filters act at the server level and not the inbox level. Creating Inbox filters using this simple method has two drawbacks. a) It's inefficient since a new filter rule is setup each time you do this when you could easily setup one filter rule to move messages from many individuals to one folder making the filters easier to manage and organize. I personally advise creating the filters manually to maintain efficiency and organization. b) Upon creation, the filter rule is added by default to the bottom of the list of filter rules. Since the proper functioning of the filter may depend on where it lies in the filter list, this may create problems again. IOW, it's best to just spend some time to learn and do manual filtering than use this shortcut which may cause more problems than benefit. All IMHO of course. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Don't talk unless you can improve the silence. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:21:14 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: I've never heard of an AltGr key before in my life until about two weeks ago when I got my new (English) laptop and low and behold, there is an AltGr key on it. What is it for? It seems to function just like the ALT key on the left of my spacebar. I wonder if your keyboard driver really supports AltGr. AltGr is basically a shortcut for Ctrl-Alt and is pretty different from Alt alone. On my keyboard (Swiss German) all the Alt-Something shortcuts don't work with AltGr (except Ctrl-AltGr-Del). If AltGr alone highlights the menu bar it is a plain Alt... The character for the AltGr level is usually printed in the lower right corner of a key. A short sketch of the keys '3' and '4' on my keyboard where AltGr-3 is '#' and AltGr-4 is not defined: +---+ +---+ |* | |ç | |3 #| |4 | +---+ +---+ HTH Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Du weisch doch, das me n imene Totemügerli nid darf nei säge!" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:04:46 +0100, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: I don't even have the Pound symbol on my German keyboard Strange - I always thought £ was Shift-4 on german keyboards... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Uuuh, isch das e botterepfloorigi Schtrüpfete gsi! Die zwee hei gschwouderet u ghetzpacheret, das si z näbis meh gwüsst hei, wo se der Gürchu zwurglet." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 8:51, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!": Seems *not* to be different to me, since the messages containing the discussions of the *same* mathematical problems arrive to all three of them:-) Technically, it's different, but for *me* as a mathematician g they aren't... Then that is a problem that you and your colleagues need to work out between yourselves and not flippantly demanding new and harmful "features" to be crammed into an otherwise decent client. Please explain why the hell do you insist on calling "harmful" the (little) feature I've explained in my previous mail message, which explanation you've deliberately cut out? Quote that description and explain with that quote in hand, *what* in particular is so harmful about it? It's how we discuss problems in math. If someone comes to me and says "Hey, your latest theorem is wrong and harmful" I'll probably ask him to go whereever he's come from:-) and ever more far, very probably:-)). He would need to point me at the problems in my proof, maybe provide a counterexample to one of my implications, things od that kind. That's what I call fruitful discussion. What you do now is not a discussion at all. I answer each of your questions, but you don't answer mine, nor motivate your tyrades. It's more of brainwashing nature, and whereas the newbies probably need brainwashing now and then, I do not. The point is that this message has to be *stored* in the same folder as other messages dealing with the same problem, but such messages come to all three of my accounts. Again, a problem between chairs and keyboards. Fix it there, not here. Nope, please see below. I do not use the mouse when working with my mail. So your idea won't work for me. ALT-M, M, highlight folder, enter. It does work. Long procedure, filters work faster. What you are calling a problem is a style of working for me, which permits me to have the things done. Dixi. No, it is a problem. I don't seem to have that problem if keeping work mail in my work account and home mail in my home account. The *ONLY* time the two ever mix is when I send mail to my work mailing list from my home account to let them know I'm going to be late and/or sick and don't feel like opening TB! up (if it isn't already). You seem to refuse to understand that *I* work both at home and at work. I'm working on mathematics even more at home then at work, and hence mathematics-related messages are coming here, too. It's inevitable, and I like it. The people I'm communicating with *do* usually know, *when* I'm at work, and send *there* the messages that require immediate answer. It's all right, and I can't see why should this practice be abandoned. It is not that hard. It involves getting people to use the PROPER address for work and the proper address for home. Since the two rarely mix, Once again, they *do* mix. At home I prefer using UUCP account, which I cannot use at work. OTOH, at work I use other two (well, mainly other *one*:- )) accounts. You might ask, why doing so? I'll answer: PPP dial-up costs alot here, it's a per-hour pricing, whereas UUCP dialup costs less then US$1 per month, and the price doesn't depend on the traffic. what's the problem? Tell me, why is it so hard for you and your cohorts, people I assume of reasonable intelligence, to grasp this basic common sense approach to your problem? The common sense is all here. Try to read this message carefully, and you'll probably get it at last:-) As a person of I assume reasonable intelligence you *should* be able to understand it;-)) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: ``I came, I saw, SHE conquered.'' (The original Latin seems to have been garbled.) --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Friday, January 07, 2000, 9:43:00 AM, Alexander wrote: Please explain why the hell do you insist on calling "harmful" the (little) feature I've explained in my previous mail message, which explanation you've deliberately cut out? Because it requires a paradigm shift in the whole program and is not that little. What you do now is not a discussion at all. I answer each of your questions, but you don't answer mine, nor motivate your tyrades. It's more of brainwashing nature, and whereas the newbies probably need brainwashing now and then, I do not. I answer your questions, you just choose to ignore them. Again, a problem between chairs and keyboards. Fix it there, not here. Nope, please see below. Yes. I do not use the mouse when working with my mail. So your idea won't work for me. ALT-M, M, highlight folder, enter. It does work. Long procedure, filters work faster. Sending to the right account in the first place requires neither filters nor moving the message. That is the problem between chair and keyboard. You seem to refuse to understand that *I* work both at home and at work. So do I, what's your point? I don't restrict how I get mail based on where I am physically. I get both accounts in both locations. Clearly you do as well since I doubt that you would have separate accounts where one could send to the "work" account when you're at home and you'd not get it until days later when you get into the "office." That means, SIR, that you can direct them to send mail TO THE PROPER ACCOUNT and you would get it REGARDLESS OF YOUR LOCATION. Problem is between chair and keyboard, FIX IT THERE. Once again, they *do* mix. At home I prefer using UUCP account, which I cannot use at work. You prefer to use. As I said, however, that I doubt that you would leave mail on your "work" account until you got to "work". That invalidates the rest of your dubious argument. The common sense is all here. Try to read this message carefully, and you'll probably get it at last:-) As a person of I assume reasonable intelligence you *should* be able to understand it;-)) I have read it, I do understand it. Common sense. Send the mail to the right account. If you must, merge it elsewhere. DO NOT FORCE THE MERGING ON ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE SOFTWARE BASED ON YOUR OWN SELF-CREATED PROBLEMS. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: question about the serial numbers
Hello, Are you referring to "edition" or "version"? The only differences I see from your above example, is the inclusion of "/Personal" on some, as all seem to have the "version" number included. I mean the edition. -- Allgaeu BeOS User Group http://www.albug.de.cx [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: announcement
Hello, ...there is already existing a german mailing list, which is called thebat-dt on onelist.com. And even if it is well known (at least among us Germans here) there is not much traffic. I don't know if it makes a lot of sense to create another one (with even less traffic, I guess). Thank you for the information, we will think about it. -- Allgaeu BeOS User Group http://www.albug.de.cx [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 10:02, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!": I never argue with people that shout on me. That is, get lost, sir. Besides, AFAIK all-caps are a no-no on this very mailing list. I have read it, I do understand it. Common sense. Send the mail to the right account. If you must, merge it elsewhere. DO NOT FORCE THE MERGING ON ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE SOFTWARE BASED ON YOUR OWN SELF-CREATED PROBLEMS. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Anything is good and useful if it's made of chocolate. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:02:54 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..] Please explain why the hell do you insist on calling "harmful" the (little) feature I've explained in my previous mail message, which explanation you've deliberately cut out? Because it requires a paradigm shift in the whole program and is not that little. H. Options: a) Add new email address to existing account. b) Create new Account How is adding the a) option to go along with the already existing b) option a paradigm shift? :) Interestingly, Calypso implements their accounting system in this fashion, although separate accounts are managed in separate windows. All clients that I know which have this capability except for PMMail and TB! insist on managing entirely different accounts in different instances/windows or otherwise offer multiple personalities and multiple e-mail addresses per account support instead. Problem is between chair and keyboard, FIX IT THERE. chuckle Good old Steve. : I have read it, I do understand it. Common sense. Send the mail to the right account. If you must, merge it elsewhere. DO NOT FORCE THE MERGING ON ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE SOFTWARE BASED ON YOUR OWN SELF-CREATED PROBLEMS. ... And here lies the underlying theme behind many of Steve's arguments and I'm beginning to agree with you, Steve, in principle. However, sometimes, things get too cut and dry and the application becomes tedious to use. There must be an optimum balance between user facilitation, keeping in mind that users do things differently, code quantity, and trying to make the various provided tools not too specialized to facilitate a particular need. The Bat! offers excellent support as is for multiple accounts. A multiple personality type setup may be created by the user with the use of filters quite easily when I think about it, especially since mail may be filtered across accounts. The support seems to already be there. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Reinvent. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:30:21 AM, Alexander wrote: I never argue with people that shout on me. That is, get lost, sir. Besides, AFAIK all-caps are a no-no on this very mailing list. Considering you weren't reading what was being written in the first place I had to try alternate tactics to get your attention. Don't like it, brighten up. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
I'm just a TB! newbie (yet a definite internet and email veteran) and I agree with Alex with all of this. Steve, although you offer "workable" solutions, there are easier ways to deal with the The Bat!s shorcomings besides "what's between the chair and the keyboard", as you put it. You may not care to deal with mail from multiple accounts as one, but some of us do. I don't want to redirect messages all over the place, bouncing them through my ISP or anywhere else for that matter. For example, I have an old account, one that I rarely use, but is still active. I keep it active just in case something comes along that's worthwhile, maybe an old correspondence, maybe an old friend who tracked me down through an outdated internet search engine. Regardless of how the people got the address, I want to filter it the same way as my other mail. We can't always control where everyone sends email, we don't email EVERYONE everyday where we can remind them into submission. The only other way to do that would be to have a single email account and give the user no choice. That's neither possible nor practical in most situations. Steve, I think you need to accept that your way may not be the *right* way, it's just your way. There are a lot of us out there that operate our accounts differently than you do. We just happen to use the same email product. Therefore, we can have our wishlist, and you can do things your way. If you are perfectly happy with the way it works, stick with 1.38e as long as you like. You don't have to upgrade. Hopefully, when 2.x comes out, it will have OPTIONS, and hopefully you can continue to operate the way you do even if you do upgrade. For the rest of us, that want to do things differently, we have a right to ask for features, and should expect them to be implemented, as paying customers, if they are supported by enough people. Frequently, your responses to someone's wish list have been: "Bad Idea" or "Wrong" type answers. Instead of a simple: "IMHO, this would not be effective because..." You need to accept other peoples TB! usage. They aren't wrong, they aren't bad ideas. They may be based on misinformation, or not completely thought through, but if you keep bashing all the new ideas, and stifle innovation by telling people that the problem is the user, and the software doesn't need improving, we'll end up with a Micro$oft product! Best Regards, Derek Cedillo -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Peter, Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:01:41 PM, you wrote: I don't even have the Pound symbol on my German keyboard PS Strange - I always thought £ was Shift-4 on german keyboards... Nope, that's $. - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ As of next week, passwords will be entered in Morse code. ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHYkMrfqRmh+VoydEQLaUgCfV63zBmiDbFbJMOP+jWswg65RNVkAniZ+ f2wmpVKatZhn+QYLeNJNRHlz =cOze -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Filtering Across Accounts (was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
At Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:33:32 -0500, you wrote: [ SNIP ] A multiple personality type setup may be created by the user with the use of filters quite easily when I think about it, especially since mail may be filtered across accounts. The support seems to already be there. Sounds like this is greatly misunderstood on this list. I even posed the question earlier, if I could filter among other accounts, and the answer was no. Can you be more specific Allie? I'd love to be able to do this! -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Reinvent. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:33:32 AM, Allie wrote: a) Add new email address to existing account. b) Create new Account How is adding the a) option to go along with the already existing b) option a paradigm shift? :) Because it requires merging the streams and requires either a lot more macros or TB! implementing "personalities", IE, detecting which account the message was sent to and using that account to send out on. How would that interact with the current system? What would happen if I drag a message from one account to another to force the issue of a change? Will it overrride that? The two paradigms, "personalities" and separate accounts, combined, has never been done. How is that not a different paradigm? insist on managing entirely different accounts in different instances/windows or otherwise offer multiple personalities and multiple e-mail addresses per account support instead. Exactly the problem. It is rare to find it done right because programmers just can't grasp the basic concept. However, sometimes, things get too cut and dry and the application becomes tedious to use. Granted. However, I find "cut and dry" tedious easier to deal with than the "constant codling of user-created problems" tedious. The former, at least, I can automate to suit my tastes based on tools available to me to make them less tedious. The latter I have to somehow undo automatic behavior. It is easier to automate than it is to unautomate. There must be an optimum balance between user facilitation, keeping in mind that users do things differently, code quantity, and trying to make the various provided tools not too specialized to facilitate a particular need. There is. Users do do things differently, that is why there should be different, specialized products. No one product will ever be everything to everyone. I would be tickled pink if we could get the computer industry to agree to completely open standards on data transfer and then let the components be completely interchangeable. With that we could have authors focus on one thing without having to worry about integration. I'd love to see a TB!/PMMail style email client that did not implement a text editor and spell checker but, instead, just game the individual hooks for external tools and left it at that. Why? Then they could focus on the client and not the completely separate products of "specialized text editor" and "specialized spell checker." If that were the case I bet we'd have killer IMAP support already in TB!. Quite frankly, if Alex is happy with Pegasus and how it works, all the power to him. Why he is still on TB! mailing list is beyond me since it clearly doesn't work in the manner he chooses. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:36:54 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..snip..] You may not care to deal with mail from multiple accounts as one, but some of us do. I don't want to redirect messages all over the place, bouncing them through my ISP or anywhere else for that matter. For example, I have an old account, one that I rarely use, but is still active. I keep it active just in case something comes along that's worthwhile, maybe an old correspondence, maybe an old friend who tracked me down through an outdated internet search engine. Regardless of how the people got the address, I want to filter it the same way as my other mail. In an attempt to keep the discussion on track, TB! *does* filter mail across accounts. It is therefore simple to store messages from different e-mail addresses in the same folders if you choose to. There is no need to add additional features to achieve this. In the particular scenario being discussed, I think multiple e-mail address per account support would be redundant, since the folder specific identity support, the filtering across accounts support, the %ACCOUNT macro among other things will work just fine to achieve similar ends. These are set and forget type config. options as well so, it doesn't add continuous tedium. We can't always control where everyone sends email, we don't email EVERYONE everyday where we can remind them into submission. The only other way to do that would be to have a single email account and give the user no choice. That's neither possible nor practical in most situations. That's not the case with TB! either. See above. Steve, I think you need to accept that your way may not be the *right* way, it's just your way. [..snip..] This sounds familiar. huge chuckle Frequently, your responses to someone's wish list have been: "Bad Idea" or "Wrong" type answers. Instead of a simple: "IMHO, this would not be effective because..." You need to accept other peoples TB! usage. They aren't wrong, they aren't bad ideas. They may be based on misinformation, or not completely thought through, but if you keep bashing all the new ideas, and stifle innovation by telling people that the problem is the user, and the software doesn't need improving, we'll end up with a Micro$oft product! I think Steve is trying just a bit too hard to prevent just that. :))) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "What a depressingly stupid machine," said Marvin and trudged away. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Filtering Across Accounts (was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:41:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ SNIP ] A multiple personality type setup may be created by the user with the use of filters quite easily when I think about it, especially since mail may be filtered across accounts. The support seems to already be there. Sounds like this is greatly misunderstood on this list. I even posed the question earlier, if I could filter among other accounts, and the answer was no. Can you be more specific Allie? I'd love to be able to do this! If you have more than one accounts setup, open any of your filters and look at the 'Move messages to folder" option. Scroll down and you'll see the folders for the other accounts listed there for your choosing as well. So the answer is yes. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Oxymoron: Terribly Nice. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:36:54 AM, cid wrote: Steve, although you offer "workable" solutions, there are easier ways to deal with the The Bat!s shorcomings besides "what's between the chair and the keyboard", as you put it. "Cid", what you, and Alex, are not understanding is that I don't consider a lack of "personalities" a shortcoming, I consider it a feature. If you consider it a shortcoming then that is clearly a perception issue and *IS* a problem between chair and keyboard. You may not care to deal with mail from multiple accounts as one, but some of us do. Bully for you, use another product, don't mangle this one for everyone else who doesn't work like you do. I don't want to redirect messages all over the place, bouncing them through my ISP or anywhere else for that matter. Forwards are acceptable use, have been for years. If not, you can always have a local filter. For example, I have an old account, one that I rarely use, but is still active. I keep it active just in case something comes along that's worthwhile, maybe an old correspondence, maybe an old friend who tracked me down through an outdated internet search engine. Regardless of how the people got the address, I want to filter it the same way as my other mail. Ah, but would you want to respond with that address as personalities dictate? We can't always control where everyone sends email, we don't email EVERYONE everyday where we can remind them into submission. No, we can't. But in my years and years of email I've never had a problem on getting people to use the proper address with friendly reminders. That is a social issue, not a technical one. The only other way to do that would be to have a single email account and give the user no choice. That's neither possible nor practical in most situations. Then why have multiple accounts if you're not going to have multiple reasons for it? Steve, I think you need to accept that your way may not be the *right* way, it's just your way. I have accepted that. You and Alex need to accept that your way is not the right way, either, and keep your paws off a viable client. If you are perfectly happy with the way it works, stick with 1.38e as long as you like. You don't have to upgrade. Actually, yes, I do. Hopefully, when 2.x comes out, it will have OPTIONS, and hopefully you can continue to operate the way you do even if you do upgrade. The problem with options is that it forces code bloat, code complexity, configuration complexity. I'm all for options, but options that change the fundamental behavior of the program, that involve completely different ways of doing things and that, in essence, disable a large portion of code is nothing more than waste to me. Furthermore, there is only so much that you can put into "options" before people look at the options, get intimidated, and look elsewhere. That is where multiple products come in. For the rest of us, that want to do things differently, we have a right to ask for features, and should expect them to be implemented, as paying customers, if they are supported by enough people. You also have the right to move to another client. I'm sick of this move that every program of a certain genre has to look and feel like every other product in the genre. Frequently, your responses to someone's wish list have been: "Bad Idea" or "Wrong" type answers. Of course. I go on to explain why, most often in technical reasons. Saying... Instead of a simple: "IMHO, this would not be effective because..." ...doesn't change the fact they are bad ideas and are flat out wrong. You need to accept other peoples TB! usage. They aren't wrong, they aren't bad ideas. They may be based on misinformation, or not completely thought through, but if you keep bashing all the new ideas, and stifle innovation by telling people that the problem is the user, and the software doesn't need improving, we'll end up with a Micro$oft product! Incorrect. A Microsoft product is one that tries to do everything for everyone in one, large, monolithic application. Do *YOU* see a PIM in TB! like there is in Lookout!? I don't. I don't bash all new ideas, I bash the bad ones or ones that would go down the path of excessive bloat. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:23:22 AM, Tim wrote: The only thing I don't like about The Bat is the fact that it quotes with '' instead of ' '. I find a piece of quoted text that looks like this: Funny, this is quoted from you and is starts with " " Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant when quoting quoted text. The text I wrote above is now prefixed by '', when I would prefer ' '. - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent several emails without subjects :-( ). Bad idea. This is an error between chair and keyboard, fix it there. :-). I'm sure I'll remember eventually, but I would still find it helpful to be reminded - I'd learn much more quickly that way. - Configurable toolbar, so you can remove unwanted buttons and add others that you do want (I'd quite like a 'show kludges' button. How about "show kludges" renamed to what it is, "show headers." :) Yes, I'd like that too :-). -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 11:00:15 AM, Tim wrote: Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant when quoting quoted text. The text I wrote above is now prefixed by '', when I would prefer ' '. Ah. Personally I prefer no spaces between 's since screen space is limited. - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent several emails without subjects :-( ). Bad idea. This is an error between chair and keyboard, fix it there. :-). I'm sure I'll remember eventually, but I would still find it helpful to be reminded - I'd learn much more quickly that way. Ah, but you just said that you got used to the feature of being reminded and, thus, have come to rely upon it to remind you therefore learning wouldn't happen. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Default Translation settings?
Hello Thomas, fredag, 7. januar 2000, you wrote: TF Hi Oyvind, TF On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:20:54 +0100GMT (07/01/2000, 08:20 +0800GMT), TF Oyvind Antonsen wrote: OA Since 99% of the mails I recieve with scandinavian characters in it OA like comes thru with a default translation of 'None', so I manually OA have to set the translation for lots of mail.. TF What you are calling for is to add "Scandinavian" to the list of a TF translations. Is there one standard predominant all over Scnadinavia? TF I think it is a valid wish for the wish list and it should be TF implemented. Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1) does translate scandinavian characters perfectly, so there's no need for a special 'Scandinavia' translation table.. Best regards, Oyvindmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Default Translation settings?
Hello Alexander, fredag, 7. januar 2000, you wrote: AVK You're wrong, and I'll bet I can prove this to you. When you get next AVK "unreadable" message, send the headers of it and a pait of unreadable lines AVK here, please. AVK Unless your correspondents are using erratic "charset:" fields, all's to be in AVK perfect order. I suppose the 'untranslated' mail I get do have a non-standard "charset:" field, but would it be possible to enforce a default translation to all mails like that instead of 'None'??? Here's one that I got today.. == Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail-relay.eunet.no (mail-relay.eunet.no [193.71.71.242]) by online.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26466 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:51:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from www.datakompaniet.no (www.datakompaniet.no [195.1.220.123]) by mail-relay.eunet.no (8.9.3/8.9.3/GN) with SMTP id LAA31535 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:51:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:51:03 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Authentication-Warning: mail-relay.eunet.no: www.datakompaniet.no [195.1.220.123] didn't use HELO protocol From: DataKompaniet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ukens Tilbud X-Mailer: sendemail.rexx by TRS X-UIDL: 37e90cdfd4796e0fd59d71d53513d54c NB! Vennligst les våre salgsbetingelser for Ukens Tilbud på http://www.datakompaniet.no/produkter/utbetingelser.html Bestilling skjer ved å sende en e-mail til [EMAIL PROTECTED] med all nødvendig info om deg selv inkludert. Best regards, Oyvindmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello TBUDL, On Thursday, January 06, 2000, , Carsten Dreesbach wrote: FL - i didn't find a way to download only "small" mails, yet to keep the FL bigger ones on the server. using "the bat!", i can let the big mails FL delete on the server, which isn't what i want to do. i used pmmail FL before "the bat!" - if there was a 2meg-mail waiting for me on the FL server, the mailer downloaded only the header and i could choose FL whether to download it or to do something else. with "the bat!", i can FL only let big mails delete automatically. right? :-| You can use the Message Dispatcher - that should be able to do everything you want. I Have the same problem with that. The message dispatcher is not what I want because if I log on the net to receive my mails I dont want to spend too much time (I dont have that time available). Today I received 189 messages at 6 pm. if I had received a letter containing 500k attachment then it takes about 5 minutes to get it. (plusz 5 minutes for the other letters) For mail d. it takes 2 minutes to receive the headers and it takes me 2 minutes to consider which messages to download. That is too much :( And then I would receive those big messages at night. (cheaper) FL - "the bat!" is getting so awfully slow when having "big" FL folders, i.a. folders with 5000 mails. my "sent"- and "trash"-folders FL have to be purged+compressed almost daily to avoid minutes of waiting at FL the next start-up. :-| Wow, and I thought _I_ had lotsa e-mails coming in every day! ;] I have this problem also. (I have about 16000 mails) These are the things I don't like about TB!. Bye! Windisch Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Downloading some messages now, more later
Hello Rob all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:04:17 AM, Rob wrote in response to my saying: I want to download some of them now and leave the rest, but be able to download those later. ...One day I tried to do that but when I tried to get the message left on the server they were no longer visible. R it used to work without any problem, but the past couple weeks i R noticed the same as you ; mail i thought i left on the server R disappeared !! but i'm also experimenting with X-Ray R (mail-filter/server), so i'm still figuring out if it's TB!, X-Ray R or myself making mistakes ... ;-) Be sure to use shift+ctrl+F2 or Account | Dispatch mail on server | all messages. Were you? DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Downloading some messages now, more later
Hello Thomas all other TBUDL members, Friday, January 07, 2000, 12:03:54 AM, Thomas wrote in response to my saying: DH I know that by choosing ctrl+F2 I get a list of what's on the DH server, with four boxes: Read, Receive, Delete and Open - for DH each message. The default is with the first 2 checked, the second DH two unchecked. DH I want to download some of them now and leave the rest, but be able to DH download those later. Can this be done? If so, what would the DH procedure be? TF Just don't "select for download" the messages you don't want to TF download. I did that. You mean uncheck the receive box, and it wasn't downloaded. But what is the difference between Read and Open? DH One day I tried to do that but when I tried to get the message DH left on the server they were no longer visible. TF You should have unchecked "delete message", I would think. No Tom, delete is unchecked by default. I should have used shift+ctrl+F2 instead of ctrl+F2 to see all of them, rather than just the new ones. (Account | Dispatch mail). It was probably still there but TB didn't consider it new at that point. I noticed this after I wrote to the list, because I continued to have trouble downloading with this gd telmex (prodigy) connection. They have done a great job getting people to buy computers and on the net by offering an Acer Celeron for 50$us down and 50$us more a month for 2 years. Now they have 120 modems answering calls (with the parent company charges for - right, they charge a flat rate for local calls) here in this not so big city, but no enough band width to handle it. Anyway, I'm trying out another ISP and so far so good. TF If my above comments sounds a bit short, If the above (which TF is pretty self-explanatory on the mail dispatcher, even without TF openeing the help file) does not answer your question, I have not TF understood your question. You have but once again the options are: Read, Receive, Delete and Open. Read and Delete seem to be pretty clear options, but what is the difference between Read and Open? DH Thanks in advance. And thanks for the tip about the tip about TB as a DH word processor. If anyone knows the right Spanish keyboard keystrokes, DH give a holler. TF Try the same crtl combinations as advised for the German keyboard and TF let us know the outcome. OK I'll do it but I doubt they're the same. Standard Spanish German Spanish Ctrl-[ Does nothing Ctrl-ß Not applicable (no ß key) Ctrl-] Make 1st letter upper caseCtrl-´ Does nothing Ctrl-/ Does nothing Ctrl-# Does nothing Nothing new turned up. TF BTW is the Latin American keyboard different from the Spanish TF (European) keyboard Yes - it is different. TF (as US and UK keyboards, or German and Swiss keyboards, are TF different)? If you say so. On my other U.S. bought machine (not here), I made little stickers for my keys and toggled back and forth between English and Spanish keyboards, which win95b will let you do (don't know about win95a). To make those stickers I simply typed out a key at a time and took note of the difference. That could do it, if and when I can set this OS to toggle to a US keyboard situation, since the US layout is considered standard, evidently. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Filtering Across Accounts (was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:56:38 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see now...I thought you were describe the ability to have a single filter work for different accounts. You just meant to put in the folder of a different account. You still need different (and possibly duplicate) filters for each incoming account, correct? Yes. :( -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "How to Catch Worms" by Earl E. Bird ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Default Translation settings?
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 20:18, Oyvind Antonsen wrote about "Re[2]: Default Translation settings": AVK You're wrong, and I'll bet I can prove this to you. When you get next AVK "unreadable" message, send the headers of it and a pait of unreadable lines AVK here, please. AVK Unless your correspondents are using erratic "charset:" fields, all's to be in AVK perfect order. I suppose the 'untranslated' mail I get do have a non-standard "charset:" field, but would it be possible to enforce a default translation to all mails like that instead of 'None'??? Aha, I finally got it. It's not a MIME message you've sent here as an example, hence it has no charset: field. But then, *any* 8-bit characters are *disallowed* by RFCs in non-MIME messages. So your correspondent is breaking the standards in this particular case. As for the workaround, I'd suggest that you goto View--Encoding--ISO- 8859-1, and THEN View--Encoding--Set as default. My guess is that this should fix your problem. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: THE ROAD TO SUCCESS IS ALWAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 13:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "Enough already...": I'm just a TB! newbie (yet a definite internet and email veteran) and I agree with Alex with all of this. Thanx:-) I support the subject you've chosen for this message. I'm going to abandon this thread... A final comment though: The wishlist item to have system-wide folders filtering rules has been on the wishlist for more then a year already. The release of version 2 might therefore become a knock-out for Mr. Lamb (gee, what a fun is this surname for a native Russian-speaker!!!). Take care:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Walk through doors, don't crawl through Windows. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT Compuserve POP (was: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:15:04 AM, you wrote: LEM The "pure text" access seems to be, at least commercially, LEM dropped now. LEM I tested it, and it still works flawlessly, though. TF ??? I don't get it: above you say it has been dropped, and here you TF say it works. I said "at least commercially". This meant to me it's still there, but you won't find *any* reference to it in the Compuserve documentations. They do as if it weren't there. If you don't already know about it, they will never say to you it exists. -- Best regards, Lionelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Massive Download Message Size bug
Hello Thomas and Bat Buddies, Maybe TB has a problem swapping. Are both of you working with 64K RAM? "Back then" (months ago) when I had received that error message, I did have 64mb. I just now tested downloading a large attachment, however, and everything worked fine. My system today is Win98 Amd-K6/2 400mhz 128mb. -- Unequivocally, Jason Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our paths may differ, but each is beautiful. The Bat! v1.38e -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Working off line with The Bat!
List readers, Does anyone else have a problem loading TB while off line? On my system the program pretty well freezes up. I have go in and kill it to get rid of it and it won't come up in any amount of time I have been willing to wait. I like to access my email offline for numerous purposes, but TB makes that very difficult. I am wondering if there is setting I have missed. JWDougherty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Steve, Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:01:34 AM, in response to the wish, - A warning if you try to send messages without any subject (I frequently forget to add a subject, so have got used to this feature in other email programs. Since I got The Bat I have sent several emails without subjects :-( ). you wrote: SL Bad idea. This is an error between chair and keyboard, fix it there. I'm SL very much opposed to warnings on things which are not technically required. SL The only headers which are required are FROM, TO/BCC and DATE. Since SUBJECT SL is not required, don't issue a warning since the user may be intending to send SL a message without a subject. I agree with you but... Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a REMINDER rather than a WARNING. Best regards, Quinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "What fools these mortals be.(Tanta Stultitia Mortalium Est.)" - Seneca --- Running The Bat!1.38e on Windows95 4.00.950a, P133,88MB EDO RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Quin Selman: QS Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message QS and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a QS REMINDER rather than a WARNING. So you're one of the reason's that McDonald's had to put the warning "Caution - contents may be hot" on the coffee cups, eh? Let's see... We could use a "reminder" to ask us if we want to add the sender's address to the address book upon each message arrival A reminder to to be sure I didn't accidently leave off somebody's address in the CC BCC fields if they're left blank. How about one to ask if we would like to print that email you just finished reading, just in case you forget and move on before doing that? You see, reminders for unnecessary actions can be added to the point of becoming minutia. How about just putting a sticky note on your monitor? Personally, I'd like to see all confirmation windows not dealing with deletions vanished off the face of the earth. But that's just me. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 5,000 incompetent minimum wage labourers learn to dance in your glassware. Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:18:12 PM, Quin wrote: Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a REMINDER rather than a WARNING. Eyes look up at the subject line, it is blank. I'd call that a reminder. Isn't like it is hidden. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:09:44 PM, Tim wrote: I doubt many people use the CC and BCC fields on most of the emails they send, however I expect most people enter a subject. I'm willing to bet most people don't. HINT: whenever I start a statement with "I'm willing to bet" I'm willing to bet there is a catch to the statement you haven't thought of yet. For people like me who sometimes forget to enter a subject, a gentle reminder if I try to send a subject-less message to the outbox would be useful. For someone who (for whatever reason) likes posting emails without a subject, the feature could be disabled. That reminder is when the person replies and it says "Re:" and nothing else. As for having it optional, if everything were optional then the options menus would be 1/2 the bulk of the programming. Learn to look at the subject before sending, it is that simple. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Default Translation settings?
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 23:18, Oyvind Antonsen wrote about "Re[2]: Default Translation settings": AVK As for the workaround, I'd suggest that you goto View--Encoding--ISO- AVK 8859-1, and THEN View--Encoding--Set as default. My guess is that this AVK should fix your problem. This is what I thought too, but it don't. Tried several times setting the encoding to default this way, but next time I recieve a non-standard mail, it's back to none (your mail came back to me with a default of none btw, not KOI8-1 or Latin-1 or anything) Oops... Actually, I just found a strange thing: suppose I receive a message in koi8-r, suppose I open it and goto View--Encoding. Surprisingly enough, there the encoding ISO-8859-1 is checked! But the message is displayed correctly (and hence the correct, KOI8-R encoding is used in fact), AND when I rightclick on the message body and select Encoding in the context menu, KOI8-R encoding is marked as being active there! Do you observe the same behaviour out there? Can anybody confirm this oddity? Seems that what I and you experience is somewhat the same, only for *me* the Encoding item in the main menu is always set to ISO-8859-1 (why??? I don't use this encoding...), and for you it defaults to NONE:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: To whom the gods destroy, they first teach Windows... --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 16:34, Douglas Hinds wrote about "Re[2]: Enough already (Was: Re: Peg": In any case, there are others guys in Moldavia that are looking at these issues themselves. Officially this country is called "Moldova" now. It was Moldavia when it was a part of USSR. Just in order to be precise:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: It is impossible to distinguish, from a distance, whether the bureaucrats associated with your project are simply sitting on their hands, or frantically trying to cover their asses. If you observe a bureaucrat closely enough to make the distinction above, he will react to your observation by covering his ass. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Template Help Please
I posted this a couple of days ago, and received no response. I'm still struggling with this problem and wondering if anyone could lend a helping hand. I have a folder set up, under my INBOX, from which I want to forward messages to a mailing list. This list will be one-way only - outbound from me. Perhaps someone will reply, but the replies will be to me only, not to the list. The template for the forwarded message is: -begin template-- This forwarded message is originally from %OFromName... %Text -- %COOKIE="E:\sigs\shorttag.txt" [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.phred.net/~phred %TO="Phans of Phunnies [EMAIL PROTECTED]" %BCC="jokesgg list" %RETURNPATH="" %RETURNPATH="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -end template-- I have a similar template set up for new messages, with the only difference being that "This forwarded message..." doesn't exist in it. The problem is that the headers get filled in properly, but as soon as I place the cursor in the body of the new message everything from the "-- " onward disappears. No separator, no cookie, no address/URL. In the case of the forwarded message template, again, the headers get filled in, but the original message isn't brought into the editor. I have tried it both with, and without, "%CURSOR" in the template, with the same results. Any suggestions? Thanks... -- Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, if a huge asteroid hits the earth we can assume it will be pretty bad. [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.phred.net/~phred -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Nick, Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:47:24 PM, you wrote: ND In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Quin Selman: QS Since some of us don't always compose the SUBJECT prior to the message QS and so sometimes forget to go back and insert the SUBJECT, we could use a QS REMINDER rather than a WARNING. ND So you're one of the reason's that McDonald's had to put the warning ND "Caution - contents may be hot" on the coffee cups, eh? No, I've never had trouble remembering that hot coffee is hot. And no, I don't read the printing on the cup to be warned of its contents. On the other hand, I do read the line by line instructions on tax forms I've never used before. Have you ever read the reminders on the IRS envelope just prior to sending in your return? Have you ever forgotten to put a stamp on an envelope before you mailed it? ND Let's see... ND We could use a "reminder" to ask us if we want to add the sender's ND address to the address book upon each message arrival ND A reminder to to be sure I didn't accidently leave off somebody's ND address in the CC BCC fields if they're left blank. ND How about one to ask if we would like to print that email you just ND finished reading, just in case you forget and move on before doing ND that? If you need these things because of some mental disablility, you could suggest them. If you think they are necessary, I wouldn't care if they were included so long as I could disable them. ND You see, reminders for unnecessary actions can be added to the point ND of becoming minutia. A subject is not an "official" requirement, but it is of a different order than the "minutia" that you describe above. A overlooked subject can result in your message being likewise overlooked in newsgroup or mail-list posts. Not everyone's brain-minds are as attentive to detail as your's apparently is. Most of us see perfection as something to strive for but none of us achieve it. (If a user tries to post a message in Agent without a subject, the "reminder" asks if no subject is intended. If it was an oversight, you can add it. If not, just press "yes." Not a big deal, in my opinion.) ND How about just putting a sticky note on your ND monitor? What for? There's no necessary connection between a sticky note and a missing subject. ND Personally, I'd like to see all confirmation windows not ND dealing with deletions vanished off the face of the earth. I don't think it would affect me one way or the other. I'm not really emotionally involved with such things. I just think the missing SUBJECT reminder can be a useful (but not necessary) feature. I can live with it or without it. ND But that's just me. Ditto. Best regards, Quinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." - Groucho Marx --- Running The Bat!1.38e on Windows95 4.00.950a, P133,88MB EDO RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:34:30 PM, Douglas wrote: SL If you consider it a shortcoming then that is clearly a perception SL issue and *IS* a problem between chair and keyboard. On whose end? Theirs since many here have expressed that they do not consider it a shortcoming. SL Bully for you, use another product, don't mangle this one for SL everyone else who doesn't work like you do. Where does this "use another product" come from? If they want personalities, there are plenty of products that offer it. Who is directing traffic to and away from TB? Lemme put it this way, TB! works quite nicely the way it is now. If personalities were added chances are it would not work in a manner that is worth a damn. At which point I would leave for another product. Ever hear of the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." TB! ain't broke when it comes to how it handles multiple accounts, do not fix it! This is just one issue we're dealing with here, having an optional accounts column is not going to "mangle" TB and NO one here has the truth by the tail. The truth is that people should not be advocating a fundamental change in the product to mirror other products when the end result is losing customers for the authors. Having an "optional" accounts column serves no purpose other than bloat. Answering would send from the receiving account but the complement to that would be a small popup box in the compose screen with the current account shown, and all other accounts selectable behind it. That's all it takes, so what's the beef? Excess code? How much? Incompatible? I doubt it. I don't. Have you thought it through? How is mail going to get into the other accounts to require such a column in the first place. You already said that filters weren't the option. That leaves merging the mail stream which is not something I want to EVER see in TB!. It's pretty hard to type with paws and I didn't know that future TB's design decisions had to be cleared with Steve first, or would I have checked with him long ago. No, they don't. But you had better believe I will raise holy hell when design goes in an asinine way or suggestions are made to take it that way. turned around), maybe we are looking and his and hers (or different lines of) TB's - red and blue, for me and you. Or, different products. If they want personalities, they can always have Pegasus, Eudora, Lookout! and virtually every other email client out there. Only *two* exist that I know of that handle multiple accounts completely separate in a sane manner. PMMail and TB!. Personally, I'd rather RITLABS not waste time on the flawed personalities paradigm at all, not even for multiple versions. When they spend time tuning it they spend time away from tuning the core of the client which still needs a lot of work. SL You also have the right to move to another client. All of us do, including you. However, one should not have to move because of a change made in the client forcing them to move. I came *TO* TB! because of how it works. Why should I then leave because they changed how it works? If people don't like how TB! works there are many other options available to them. Have you ever evaluated Calypso? It's a candy ass mailer from an unreliable company that never-the-less has some good features. If you haven't and want to mess with it, www.mcsdallas.com will get you to where you can download it. It is an IMAP client and nothing else if memory serves. I had a lousy interface, poor filtering and was, like most other email clients, an MDI application. It lasted all of maybe 15 minutes on my machine before I considered it completely subpar to my needs and nuked it. Cid, you are making 2 mistakes. First of all, you are failing to take into account the fact that you are dealing with "your priest and shrink, your main connection to the switchboard of soul" and should show more respect. Feh, just go see Strange Days. Respect will come when people understand that, despite my rough manner I do know my stuff. SL Do *YOU* see a PIM in TB! like there is in Lookout!? Outlook. (OK, maybe that was intentional, in which case it's funny). I use Ecco myself and have never bought an MS product. It is intentional. Every time I get a message from a Lookout! user that is what I do because I know it will break as many standards as possible to try to get me to convert. "Lookout!, mail from John!" SL I don't. I don't bash all new ideas, I bash the bad ones or ones SL that would go down the path of excessive bloat. A real Babe Ruth. May there never be silence in Mudville. Hey, lemme ask this, honestly. How many people saw me say that having the option to apply filters to all accounts would be a good thing? I bet not many. It only takes silence or a few words to agree. It takes a few paragraphs to disagree. Because of that a person who is vocal, especially on
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Friday, January 07, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:09:44 PM, Tim wrote: I doubt many people use the CC and BCC fields on most of the emails they send, however I expect most people enter a subject. I'm willing to bet most people don't. HINT: whenever I start a statement with "I'm willing to bet" I'm willing to bet there is a catch to the statement you haven't thought of yet. Care to tell me what, rather than writing such a cryptic reply? For people like me who sometimes forget to enter a subject, a gentle reminder if I try to send a subject-less message to the outbox would be useful. For someone who (for whatever reason) likes posting emails without a subject, the feature could be disabled. That reminder is when the person replies and it says "Re:" and nothing else. But by then the damage is done, as it were. For example, last week I posted a message to this mailing list without a subject. The resulting thread had the subject 'Re: (no subject)'. A few days later, someone else did the same thing. For anyone who sorts their messages by subject, the two 'threads' would be merged. As for having it optional, if everything were optional then the options menus would be 1/2 the bulk of the programming. I'm not suggesting making everything optional. Learn to look at the subject before sending, it is that simple. Other than you feeling it is unnecessary, what is it exactly that you have against this feature request? It would help me, others have said it would help them. It certainly wouldn't do any harm. -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:22:54 PM, Quin wrote: Have you ever forgotten to put a stamp on an envelope before you mailed it? I've forgotten to put Christmas cards inside the envelope before licking and sealing them, doesn't mean I want a little text on the back of each, "Did you put the card in first?" If you need these things because of some mental disablility, you could suggest them. If you think they are necessary, I wouldn't care if they were included so long as I could disable them. OK. I'd like to request a reduction in options so the options which are really important, instead of user coddling, I can continue to find in future versions. Thanks. ;P Not everyone's brain-minds are as attentive to detail as your's apparently is. Most of us see perfection as something to strive for but none of us achieve it. Yup. Perfection would be a client not nagging us over every little mistake. We're human, we make mistakes, deal with it at the char/keyboard level, not at the program level. Until then, pardon me as I strive to keep TB! on the path to perfection. What for? There's no necessary connection between a sticky note and a missing subject. There is, however, in an empty subject line and no subject. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:27:50 PM, Tim wrote: On Friday, January 07, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:09:44 PM, Tim wrote: I doubt many people use the CC and BCC fields on most of the emails they send, however I expect most people enter a subject. I'm willing to bet most people don't. HINT: whenever I start a statement with "I'm willing to bet" I'm willing to bet there is a catch to the statement you haven't thought of yet. Care to tell me what, rather than writing such a cryptic reply? Sure, most people hit reply and don't enter a subject at all as it is automatically filled in by the client. Therefore most people don't enter a subject. :P For anyone who sorts their messages by subject, the two 'threads' would be merged. Tough luck. Doesn't mean there should be coddling for it. Let me give you an example of how little chance you have of getting me to "See the light." I have, in my professional career, deleted the root partition of a mail server for a local ISP. For 5 *HOURS* I was at work after that mistake rebuilding the machine while mail service was served solely by the backup mail server. It was all because I entered the wrong directory and did the "rm -rf" command. Despite that (and other times that I've rm -rf'd in the wrong directory) I do *NOT* like nor want a confirmation to pop up every time I rm -rf a directory because 99.99% of the time I don't get it wrong. 99.99% of the time I do enter a subject. I don't need something to catch the .01% special case for me. I'll deal with the consequences when they come up as that is the path of least work. As for having it optional, if everything were optional then the options menus would be 1/2 the bulk of the programming. I'm not suggesting making everything optional. Then why is it whenever anything is ever suggested someone usually pipes in with "We could make it an option!" Unless there is a very good reason for putting it in in the first place, don't put it in. It's that simple. Not every program needs every little bell and whistle and foofie reminder as an option! Other than you feeling it is unnecessary, what is it exactly that you have against this feature request? It would help me, others have said it would help them. It certainly wouldn't do any harm. It does do harm. It is more space take up on the options menu, another nag for people to get annoyed at, more time spent away from developing the core client, more code and executable bloat. That is certainly not doing no harm. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Quick Search question
I'm current using The Bat! 1.38e. I'm wondering how the Quick Search functionality actually works. Under Miscellaneous Commands in the help, is listed: Search for a string Ctrl+Q F Search and replaceCtrl+Q A Repeat the last searchCtrl+L Cancel operation Esc From within the preview pane the first two sequences appear to bring up the correct dialogs. However when used from the message list pane, Ctrl-Q initially does nothing. Then when I press any other key, the Quick Search toolbar appears. (If it was already visible and docked on the toolbar, it is undocked and repositioned where it would initially appear. If it was already visible and not docked, then it stays where it is. This is foul.) The second character I typed is inserted into the edit box - this is also foul, it should appear immediately on the Ctrl-Q in that case. I then type at is and the selection in the message list moves to a message which contains the typed string. All very well. I then type Ctrl-L at it and it just beeps at me, even though I know there are other messages which match that string. Does anyone know how to get this to work, or is it just broken? John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Enough already (Was: Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!)
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 15:28, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Enough already.": In any case, there are others guys in Moldavia that are looking at these issues themselves. Officially this country is called "Moldova" now. It was Moldavia when it was a part of USSR. Just in order to be precise:-) Feh, any country over there that can't keep its name for more than 2 decades should expect to be called all other names it has ever gone by in the past. Same for cities. *Steve goes and plays They Might Be Giants now. Yes, you know the song.* No, I don't. But I *really* hope you sing better then you write. At least in the cases when you aren't the author of the song you're going to sing:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The size of a program expands to fill all available memory. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
OT: Country and City names
Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:42:01 PM, Alexander wrote: No, I don't. But I *really* hope you sing better then you write. At least in the cases when you aren't the author of the song you're going to sing:-) Istanbul not Constantinople, of course. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:06:44 AM, you wrote:
Hallo Tim,
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:23:22 + GMT (07.01.2000, 21:23 +0800 GMT),
Tim Fountain wrote:
TF So, I created a filter with the following in the strings field:
TF'tim | acornarcade | iconbar | webmaster'
TF That checks the recipient field and has 'no' ticked for 'present'.
TF However, this filter doesn't seemt to be working as it moves /all/ my
TF emails to the Junk box. Any ideas?
This ("|") is an "OR" operation. What you want is and "AND" operaton:
IF .NOT.tim .AND. .NOT.acornarcade .AND. .NOT.iconbar .AND.
.NOT.webmaster THEN move the mail to the spam folder.
This is an interesting point that I hadn't thought about. What is the
logic structure in the filtering system? For example, what you have
suggested is logically equivalent to what Tim has written IF:
1. The Bat! first matches the search string, and returns True if one
of them is found. Then,
2. Checks to see if presence should be there or not. If presence is
selected as no, then if (1) returned true, the filter should do
nothing. However, if (1) returned false, ie none of the strings
were found, then the filter should do it's task.
What you have suggested ends up with the same truth table as the one
I've suggested, however, I don't know if that's how the Bat operates.
If someone could confirm this, I would appreciate your assistance.
You do this as follows (I think):
Make four Rules.
If I understand what Tim did, he only had one Rule and no
Alternatives, so these two should be logically equivalent (see above).
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under Windows 98 4.10 Build A
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Re: OT: Country and City names
Hi there! On 7 Jan 00, at 16:47, Steve Lamb wrote about "OT: Country and City names": Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:42:01 PM, Alexander wrote: No, I don't. But I *really* hope you sing better then you write. At least in the cases when you aren't the author of the song you're going to sing:-) Istanbul not Constantinople, of course. ;) But following your logic, St.Petersburg is definitely still Leningrad. But I'm not going to adjust my signature just in order to fit you tastes:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: The probability of a given event occuring is inversely proportional to its desirability. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi, take care - Marcello. (http://www.powerslider.de) = Using The Bat! 1.38e (reg) under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Sent folder
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:17:37 AM, you wrote: Hello TBUDL! And for those folders to which I filter both incoming and outgoing messages, I have a "received" time even for the sent messages. What exactly is this time stamp - I assume the actaul "saved" time? That's right, it is the time the message was saved to your local disk by The Bat!. Another way of thinking of it is, for incoming messages, the time you save them to disk is the time you *receive* them from the server. But that doesn't make much sense for the sent folder since you never received those messages from anywhere. So The Bat! *calls* the Received field the Saved field. There is no difference. (See also the recent thread about Parked messages vs. Drafts in your outbox) Could this column be called received/sent instead, and show the appropriate time. If the function is received/saved it makes no sense to me at all. Since the two words are really synonyms in this context, I don't see why they should have both names. Having said that, I don't understand exactly why the name received is even used. I think saved is more clear considering how the Bat interprets this field. Personally, I think Received should be when the mail server received the message, but I understand that The Bat is being literal, so this would be inconsistent. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello, Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:55:46 PM, I wrote: What you have suggested ends up with the same truth table as the one I've suggested, however, I don't know if that's how the Bat operates. Just in case anyone needs a slightly more rigorous proof, there is a theorem which states: Not( A | B | C | D ) = Not(A) AND Not(B) AND Not(C) AND Not(D) Of course this can be reversed Not( A AND B AND C AND D ) = Not(A) | Not(B) | Not(C) | Not(D) (By the way, in writing this message, capital C on its own triggers the spell checker. Anyone know why?) -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hello Alexander, Pretty much the same reason I'm here too. I like the features of pegasus, but the features of the bat as well. I'm pretty torn on the two programs. And for what it's worth...even with Pegasus at 4.5 MB or whatever it is, it is the fastest mail system I've ever used. Faster than TB! Faster than Pocomail, and all the MS products...So you can have features without dragging the program down to MS or Netscape type bloat. Derek Written in response to your letter of Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:50:09 PM: AVK Hi there! AVK On 7 Jan 00, at 10:52, Steve Lamb wrote AVK about "Re: Pegasus vs. The Bat!": Quite frankly, if Alex is happy with Pegasus and how it works, all the power to him. Why he is still on TB! mailing list is beyond me since it clearly doesn't work in the manner he chooses. AVK Right now I'm only waiting for the first 2.x beta. If it doesn't support MIME AVK functionality in full as versions 1.x do, I will *clearly* unsubscribe. That is, if AVK the overall concept of TB and the way it's implemented remains the same, I AVK would clearly prefer Pegasus. Besides, it's free. Not the last reason for me to AVK decide. -- Best regards, Derekmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hello Steve, I still think the way to do this is to keep account seperate...but just have "Global filters" that work an all accounts or a subset of accounts. In fact, that almost goes against bloat...because you wouldn't have to run duplicate filters ever. (This is of course particular to my situation where I have two email accounts that I filter similarly) This wouldn't be a paradigm shift, this wouldn't mean a massive restructuring of TB! Derek Written in response to your letter of Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:52:50 PM: SL Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:33:32 AM, Allie wrote: a) Add new email address to existing account. b) Create new Account How is adding the a) option to go along with the already existing b) option a paradigm shift? :) SL Because it requires merging the streams and requires either a lot more SL macros or TB! implementing "personalities", IE, detecting which account the SL message was sent to and using that account to send out on. How would that SL interact with the current system? What would happen if I drag a message from SL one account to another to force the issue of a change? Will it overrride SL that? SL The two paradigms, "personalities" and separate accounts, combined, has SL never been done. How is that not a different paradigm? insist on managing entirely different accounts in different instances/windows or otherwise offer multiple personalities and multiple e-mail addresses per account support instead. SL Exactly the problem. It is rare to find it done right because programmers SL just can't grasp the basic concept. However, sometimes, things get too cut and dry and the application becomes tedious to use. SL Granted. However, I find "cut and dry" tedious easier to deal with than SL the "constant codling of user-created problems" tedious. The former, at SL least, I can automate to suit my tastes based on tools available to me to make SL them less tedious. The latter I have to somehow undo automatic behavior. It SL is easier to automate than it is to unautomate. There must be an optimum balance between user facilitation, keeping in mind that users do things differently, code quantity, and trying to make the various provided tools not too specialized to facilitate a particular need. SL There is. Users do do things differently, that is why there should be SL different, specialized products. No one product will ever be everything to SL everyone. I would be tickled pink if we could get the computer industry to SL agree to completely open standards on data transfer and then let the SL components be completely interchangeable. With that we could have authors SL focus on one thing without having to worry about integration. I'd love to see SL a TB!/PMMail style email client that did not implement a text editor and spell SL checker but, instead, just game the individual hooks for external tools and SL left it at that. Why? Then they could focus on the client and not the SL completely separate products of "specialized text editor" and "specialized SL spell checker." If that were the case I bet we'd have killer IMAP support SL already in TB!. SL Quite frankly, if Alex is happy with Pegasus and how it works, all SL the power to him. Why he is still on TB! mailing list is beyond me since it SL clearly doesn't work in the manner he chooses. -- Best regards, Derekmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
