Help requested - export function problem
Hello all, Could someone please help me set this thing straight? I want to back up my mails in exported form and I just can't make it work. When using the EXPORT function some of my mailboxes don't get exported correctly (some or all messages missing in the export). I get this irrespective of export type (MSG files or UNIX mailboxes). Also executing the same command singly or as part of a batch yields different results for the same mailbox. Selecting a mailbox and exporting it from the menu works fine. All commands in the batch use this syntax: /EXPORTU="account";F="box";DIR="target dir" The batch is called from a shortcut that looks like this: "The Bat! dir" /NOLOGO /MINIMIZE /BATCH:"batch dir" /SMARTEXIT Any help greatly appreciated. -- Best regards, Istvn Using The Bat! v1.39 on Windows 98 v4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello Allie, On Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 22:09:57 GMT -0500 (which was 7:09 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Although I don't use IE primarily and use Opera 95% of the time ( I more enjoy the shell enhancements such as the quick launch bar and the start menu enhancements) I decided to look at this problem. I was saying that the browser and not TB! should offer the solution. Alex said that there was a config file that could be edited (I didn't commit that one to memory since I care nada for Netscape). Ah yes, a not so quick search of my archives revealed that the file in question is the prefs.js file. Of course I have no idea which variable needs to be changed, but at least I have somewhere to start looking. Thanks for the reminder. :) For Internet Explorer (I'm using version 5 here) go to the 'Internet Options' applet and select the 'advanced' tab. In that list there is an option which goes like this: "Reuse windows for launching shortcuts" Are you sure? That seems too configurable and easy to be from a MS product... g -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Having to kill Dupes
Hi Thomas, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:38:32 +0800GMT (21/01/2000, 15:38 +0800GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote a little too fast: DH The prodigy.net.mx server TBUDL the Opera lists come in on provides DH little storage space and I plan on being elsewhere and off line for a DH few days, so I decided to delete messages from the server now, that DH are normally deleted automatically a day later when downloading. TF If you delete messages, they are no longer there. Thus, they cannot be TF downloaed again. Please advise *how* you delete them? telnet/pine TF (that's what what I use in those cases), TB!/Dispatch Messages on TF Server/Delete (works here, I've tried it), other? I tried it again, and: the Dispatcher no longer deletes! I know it worked in an earlier version, but today it definitely did not. Furthermore, my killfilter didn't kill this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it used to. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Christopher J. Trybowski, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:29:54 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 20, 2000, 7:29:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: Christopher Hello Allie, Christopher On Wednesday, January 19, 2000 you wrote: Christopher [Gravity] Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! I never have that problem, I set it to the default.. Probably 80 or so \ X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. I never reformat my news \ :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I donot use colours for news I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. But I donot NEED one. Adimittedly its a bit like typing the old 80*24 line monitors but who minds... When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). Whats mesg cleaner? never used it... Christopher Oh, come on, this program is a winner as far as bugs are concerned. Christopher Too long lines is one of them. But there are plenty of others, and Christopher plenty of lacking features (like Base64 and Quoted Printable support Christopher for 8 bit characters, code pages converting). I'm still using it, but Christopher only because I'm yet too lazy to switch to XNews. But I will soon! Christopher XNews + Hamster :-) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 4:10:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Douglas Hello fellow TBUDL members, Douglas Wednesday, Jan 19, 2000 07:13:30 I wrote to ask: Douglas Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching Douglas the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which Douglas also had a new help file if I remember correctly). Douglas The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from Douglas http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe Douglas is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup Douglas routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? Douglas The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and Douglas wasn't responded to. Since you already have it downloaded I would just install the whole thing as one never knows what other undocumented changed have been made... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:42:57 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 3:42:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? Tom Nothing, if unread messages thread anywhere near one another. ^] is Tom the only single-key way I know to expand threads and jump read Tom messages though. If there's another way, I'd love someone to mention Tom it. My messages are sorted in received order and as they are filtered into their various folders, normally they are near each other. Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Calling G.Cowling, SRNA
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:18:26 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:18:26 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Tom [sorry list, but this is list-related. ;)] Tom G. Cowling: Tom Hey, you emailed me but I'm denied from your mailbox! Irrelevant Tom chatty stuff removed... GC I work from my home. I also (currently) work at a local university. GC I have both commercial accts and an acct at the school. My commercial GC accts (on a LAN) will allow me to read mail from the server from GC outside the LAN, but not send mail from an address outside that GC domain. My school acct will allow neither reading nor sending from GC outside its domain. Tom Wow, this poses an interesting question. There are a lot of questions Tom I would have about what is and isn't possible at each of these, but Tom here are some options... Tom Can you send mail with your "home" address to your "school" server if Tom you're on the school LAN, or does it bounce these back? This is Tom basically what I do; I have different connections at home and work, Tom but I can check both accounts from either place. However, when it Tom comes to sending, I need to send to the "local" mail server in both Tom cases, but they're good enough not to bounce messages with a from Tom address different from the mailserver's domain. Tom If you can't do that, well, might you ask the ISP from your "home" I can offer that service in the next few days but allas it isnt free... ( I have to be able to have my beers from time to time (g)) Essentially we are going to use an smtp in a special mode to allow external logins to send, without getting spammers in it. It also would include a mailbox on the USA server. At present I am in the process of testing various email programs to see what works and doesnt. MS stuff works (outlook), Netscape doesnt, The bat I will be trying out tomorrow. Any resulting spam though from any user likely will get his originating domain banned in the Orb database Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello Fred Weissman, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:09:18 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:09:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Fred Weissman wrote: Fred Has any thought been given to a feature (option?) whereby a message becomes Fred automatically marked as read once it has been replied to? Since mail that Fred has been replied to is (usually) read, having the system mark it as such Fred would save a keystroke or two. To me it seems to be a bug if replying to a msg DOESNT reset the incoming msg as read.,.. Fred I will often read through incoming mail quickly, and reply later. Fred Therefore, I have the account property 'time of reading to mark message as Fred read' set to a very high number (999). Basically, this prevents anything Fred from being marked if all I'm doing is reading it now with the intent of Fred replying later. If it's a low number, the message gets marked upon my Fred reading, and I have to unmark it. Fred Comments? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello G. Cowling, SRNA, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:18:53 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 12:18:53 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, G. Cowling, SRNA wrote: G. in response to my saying: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. G. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. G. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive G. to the needs of its users - not vice versa. It as always depends on what the user wants who requests, how many others want the features, how mych work, ie economical to do it, and if others would object. Anyway, havent we made enough dead horses(g)? I would prefer to see V2 before we ask for any more big changes,, Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:18:53 -0500, G. Cowling, SRNA wrote: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive to the needs of its users - not vice versa. I disagree here. What you describe there is a relatively impractical expectation. Most of the more powerful apps that I've ever used were all awkward at first and took some getting used to. X-News is my most recent jaunt. I remembered putting it aside a couple times but decided to give it a chance this time around and had a much better time of it. TB! was rather nice and this was relatively easy because I had used so many clients before it. The Unix way of doing things seems better in any respects but believe me, it doesn't come naturally at first. You simply have to *grow* to love it, especially if you are used to Windows. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ "Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever" - Aristophanes: Knights ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Allie Martin, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:20:52 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 20, 2000, 6:20:52 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:29:54 +0100, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: [Gravity] Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). all I know is that in the long and distant past I used gravity for a month, then tried Agent. I never ever went back to Gravity or to another one. Ok, I ran a fully featured Agent 0.99 with a given key for 6 months and then decided to pay. Kind of stimulated as the new version came out and my newsreader stopped working but for me the choice was clear, I liked it and had my own code in a few hours. Agent may not be the best, it sure ismt what it could be BUT it doesnt cause me any problems Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 06:45:00 +0100, Jast wrote: True, but it's hard for software itself to do so. Sure, you can make it super-customizable, but that will always mean work for the user to customize it. If you get to learn a new software with new paradigms, you should try to get get to know it better, it may give you new insights and show you more effective ways to work. Agreed. When I met TB!'s editor, my reaction was 'hmmm, interesting' instead of, 'See here but what crap is this editor up to. Why does it have to do it this way?'. It's one thing for an app to implement a different approach as opposed to an app having a bug or a frank shortcoming or inability to do a certain task. TB!'s approach with some things are different. It is indeed a breath of fresh air to get to try something different and that something different is available on the market. I can therefore understand when some get upset when others leave all those apps out there that's working the standard way and start pushing for making TB! function as the rest of the apps out there. Where's the variety then? -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Originality is the art of concealing your sources. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:03:55 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: [..snip..] For Internet Explorer (I'm using version 5 here) go to the 'Internet Options' applet and select the 'advanced' tab. In that list there is an option which goes like this: "Reuse windows for launching shortcuts" Are you sure? Yes, I'm sure. I tried it. :)) That seems too configurable and easy to be from a MS product... g To all those who didn't look for the option assuming that in MS Windows tradition it would not be there, call a spade a spade will ya? :))) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Procrastination: The art of keeping up with yesterday. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas, On 21 January 2000 at 18:06:18 GMT +0800 (which was 10:06 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: MDP (I think that's what you meant). TF Yes, it is. But I save the "drafts" (really only quotes) only if I TF think it will take a long time (having a lunch break in between, TF for exmaple); otherwise, I leave the messages open and click the TF Edit Mail Message things whneever I have a moment. I work from my laptop and never know when I may be distracted for long enough for the thing to want to go on standby and never come out of it :-((( (love that M$ coding - not), so my reflex is Ctrl-R, Alt-F2. Also, I'm currently getting at least 400 mails daily and often I sit down to wade through 100 new messages at one shot, so I always park my replies in case what I wanted to say has already been said further down the list. When I've finished reading, I can go to the OutBox and say the things that might still need saying. I couldn't survive without the ticker's virtual folder mechanism to group all that new email in created order and neatly threading across accounts / folders. I really find it hard to understand why so many folks here "hate that ticker" then bemoan the lack of virtual folders. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible filter bug?
Hi Stefan, you wrote on Thursday, January 20, 2000, 16:55:09: ST Hello Ralf, RB However, it would be interesting to know which headers are considered to RB be a "Sender" in The Bat!. Maybe one of the developers can shed some RB light on this? ST AFAICR, Sender = From / Reply-To / Return-path OK, many thanks. ST Reply-To field contained the word "postmaster" in the host name (by ST the way, I suggest you to use "postmaster@" instead). Good idea, thank you! Ralf. -- BackMagic: Disaster Recovery Cloning für Windows 9x http://www.backmagic.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
relaying.. a solution and a question
Friday, January 21, 2000 Hello Bat-users, A while ago i think Thomas complained about relaying problems from local isps when you are on a different provider then the one where your smtp/pop is. Ok, I have an smtp up and running on an usa server which at present is under testing to allow secure smtp login to transmit mail. Problem is that sofar Outlook seems to allow it, Netscape doesnt like it at all and not sure how to make the Bat do it... Its setup primarily for my own local users so that we sell them a secure mailbox independend from the in general lousy Thai isp system without being bound to a local isp for the mailbox. I have so many complaints that being able to do this means any normal ISP complaints arent going to be my problem anymore... Anyway, 1. any idea how to make the bat work in secure mode/does it work/has anyone tried it 2. Anyone interested, well, contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:52:26 +0700, tracer wrote: Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! I never have that problem, I set it to the default.. Probably 80 or so When the comment is made on text flow, it is usually about the quoted material and not what I had written. In TB! one can easily reformat quoted text. In Agent and Gravity you can't. My question is why put this prompt in my face asking me if I'm sure I want to send the message with lines too long without giving a solution? Another prompt that is annoying occurs when your follow-up message has only a few responding words. A popup message appears saying that the amount of quoted material (even though trimmed) is far more than what I have written and if I'm sure that I still want to send? Now tell me \ X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. I never reformat my news Well, you should, especially if it needs to be to make it easier for people to read it. :) :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I donot use colours for news That's you. :) I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. But I donot NEED one. Adimittedly its a bit like typing the old 80*24 line monitors but who minds... I do. I just gave my opinion, remember? I didn't declare that no-one should use it. I take my message formatting seriously since I strongly feel that it's good courtesy to make your reader comfortable. When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). Whats mesg cleaner? never used it... I copy text from the client into 'message cleaner' which cleans up the formatting for me. I don't have to use it with TB! provided the '' quote prefix is used. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Sometimes the best defense is a skillful surrender. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello fellow TBUDL members, I see I mistakenly sent what was meant to be an off list post to TBUDL. I'll have to watch that. Douglas As for any additional misinterpretations of my original remarks: What I said still goes for all concerned and see me off list if that's a problem. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Marck, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:51:34 + GMT (21.01.2000, 18:51 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP I couldn't survive without the ticker's virtual folder mechanism to MDP group all that new email in created order and neatly threading across MDP accounts / folders. I really find it hard to understand why so many MDP folks here "hate that ticker" then bemoan the lack of virtual folders. There is a difference between then ticker and the virtual folder: the latter gives you an overview of the messages rather than showing sequentially each header one at a time (or two, depending on how wide you have set the margins). You can also navigate around and decide which message you want to read first. You can park messages on the fly, you can do everything in a virutal folder that you can do in a real folder. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Message not intended for posting on TBUDL (was) Re[2]: TB! v 1.39Installation
Hello all fellow TBUDL members, As mentioned earlier, the second set of comments made by me under the heading: Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation was NOT intended for TBUDL. (Using Ctrl+F2 when replying to some of the lists I subscribe to gives just the person replied to, while Shift+Ctrl+F2 gives all - Obviously I didn't confirm that on this occasion). While I'm not pleased w/ having unintentionally posted to TBUDL a comment intended as a private aside, I can live with it precisely because I do attempt to both be congruent and reflect on what I contribute rather than simply reacting (which was also my complaint). In any case, what's done was done. However, I do recognize that the comment regarding another TBUDL subscriber was neither appropriate nor intended for TBUDL itself and was made in reference to what I hoped was a closed issue. THAT was my primary goal (to maintain the issue closed), rather than to promulgate further ill will, particularly on TBUDL. For that reason, I will NOT reply on list to further aggression related to this thread except off list. I would much rather get on with exploring TB's ins and outs, in both it's present and future forms. We all have something valuable to contribute and I do hope that all can try to understand and learn from the points of view of others (as the great majority already do), as well as post well or not so well founded, strong or less strong opinions. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi tracer, On 21 January 2000 at 18:15:07 GMT +0700 (which was 11:15 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: t So what about making it a box instead of a scrolling bar? I dislike t the scroll as I want to see more then one thing at the same time. t If essentially its a virtua; folder then lets get a FOLDER, not t tickerbar Okay, fair enough, you don't like it for what it is, but it *can* be resized to a negligible width, its' main purpose aside, and simply used as an indicator that there *is* unread mail. (Yeah, I know The Bat flies and that, but I can't see that on my laptop when the TaskBar is set for auto-hide). As for the ticker as a ticker - IMHO it's irrelevant. As would be a boxed list of messages. I find it impossible to use it for pinpointing a start place for message reading or, with 100+ messages per sitting, as an overview of what message are there - I merely use it as a route to the indispensable virtual folder that is its' underlying technology. My point is that a double-click on it then takes you straight into the very virtual folder that so many people say they want. That folder contains all current unread messages in a format such that you can go to the top of the list of them and keep pressing space bar to read your way to the bottom. No folder hopping. No weird Ctrl key-presses for navigating (apart from, perhaps, Ctrl-* to open all threads to start with). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas, On 21 January 2000 at 21:40:58 GMT +0800 (which was 13:40 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: MDP I couldn't survive without the ticker's virtual folder mechanism MDP to group all that new email in created order and neatly MDP threading across accounts / folders. I really find it hard to MDP understand why so many folks here "hate that ticker" then bemoan MDP the lack of virtual folders. TF There is a difference between then ticker and the virtual folder: TF the latter gives you an overview of the messages rather than TF showing sequentially each header one at a time (or two, depending TF on how wide you have set the margins). You can also navigate TF around and decide which message you want to read first. You can TF park messages on the fly, you can do everything in a virutal TF folder that you can do in a real folder. See my reply to tracer. The ticker is just a "silly window" (no offence Max/Stef) which provides an access point to the actual virtual folder you describe. Why request a feature that already exists? Don't let the ticker put you off - check out the virtual folder behind it. Use it. Enjoy. It is a true wonder. I kid ye not -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
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Fwd: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL (was) Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
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Fwd: Re: Newsreading with Bat?
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Fwd: Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
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Fwd: Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
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Fwd: Re: Possible filter bug?
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Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL
Hi Douglas, On 21 January 2000 at 07:57:23 GMT -0600 (which was 13:57 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: DH As mentioned earlier, the second set of comments made by me under DH the heading: DH Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation was NOT intended for TBUDL. [snip] DH We all have something valuable to contribute and I do hope that all DH can try to understand and learn from the points of view of others (as DH the great majority already do), as well as post well or not so well DH founded, strong or less strong opinions. Thank you for the candour and clarity of these comments Douglas. Well said, that man :-). I endorse your call for the matter of your inadvertent posting to be closed as an on-list topic. To ensure that your request is met in the spirit intended allow me to back it with a DEAD HORSE declaration. IOW: No further replies on this topic are necessary, since they would either be a "yay for Douglas / me too" (not sanctioned as valid TBUDL traffic) or a "boo Douglas / don't agree" (which you have asked to be sent to you off-list). So - this line's a DEAD HORSE folks. The rest of you people out there (and you too, Douglas) - try to get into the new habit (or make it a litany of some kind) off-list reply is Ctrl-F4. It works every time. Get used to it and avoid embarrassing stains - I mean - incidents. ;-) Happy Batting, folks. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:06:09 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: As for the ticker as a ticker - IMHO it's irrelevant. As would be a boxed list of messages. I find it impossible to use it for pinpointing a start place for message reading or, with 100+ messages per sitting, as an overview of what message are there - I merely use it as a route to the indispensable virtual folder that is its' underlying technology. My point is that a double-click on it then takes you straight into the very virtual folder that so many people say they want. Cripes! I didn't realize this since I keep (view message list) for the 'view folder' windows disabled. Thanks much. I'll certainly be using it. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Software Independent: Won't work with ANY software. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Marck, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:20:14 + GMT (21.01.2000, 22:20 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP See my reply to tracer. The ticker is just a "silly window" (no MDP offence Max/Stef) which provides an access point to the actual virtual MDP folder you describe. Why request a feature that already exists? Don't MDP let the ticker put you off - check out the virtual folder behind it. MDP Use it. Enjoy. It is a true wonder. I kid ye not I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and by mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but my ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind it. :-( -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
Hello all, on Thu, 20 Jan 2000, at 08:15:32 local time (GMT -0800), Nick wrote: Still, I'll see a thread where the first message is the original, as it should be, then most, but not all, of the replies are listed in descending order with the little + sign next to each one. the replies to the original message, that themselves have been replied to, also get a + of course ... Other combinations I've tried will list the replies _without_ the + signs, but then I'll find the original message stuck somewhere in the middle of the thread, which doesn't make sense to me, and at times will make it difficult to follow the thread. i've seen that too ; i think it happens when the system time on someone's PC is not 'correct' ... What combinations of viewing preferences would allow TB to simply list the original message as the first message in a thread, followed in chronological order by all the replies, and without the little + signs necessitating all the extra mouse clicks required to read the thread? What have others found that works for them? i'm using : view - display - all messages view - sort by - creation time view - view threads by - subject works fine. only when someone's PC clock is off, his replies will all be at the top (running early) or bottom (running late) of the thread. -- Rob ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 ... Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello fellow Bataholics!
I don't know how I configured it
but I have Netscape 4.7 as my default browser and the clickable URLs in TB! work
whether
Netscape is open or closed. It will bring up Netscape if it's closed, and use the
current
window if open.
Just general info: I use Opera AWA IE... different browsers for different "jobs" :D But
Netscape is my default.
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Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
Hallo Rob, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:49:59 +0100 GMT (21.01.2000, 22:49 +0800 GMT), Rob wrote: R i'm using : R view - display - all messages R view - sort by - creation time R view - view threads by - subject R works fine. only when someone's PC clock is off, his replies will all be at R the top (running early) or bottom (running late) of the thread. Have you tried: view - sort by - received time instead? I don't use threads, but read messages the way they come in. I might change my habit when TB doesn't show the full subject for each message but only for the first one in thread; they tend to go too far to the right. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 09:29:16 ,Nick scribbled:
NA Is that sort by subject Angel, or view threads by subject? I wonder what
NA the difference in the two would be?
View / View Threads By / Subject
View / Sort By / Creation Time
These are the two settings I use.
I also have the "Created" bar on the editor set so that the most recent email shows
first.
For the most part, the emails are in the order showing the *most recent* first
according to subject,
and both the originating email AND the Re:'s are listed appropriately. I only have to
click once to expand the entire thread.
I don't know what the literal difference is or what the technical explanation would
be, I
can only describe it as Sort=match subject line exactly and View= Match like-words in
subject
line. Anyone know the technical reasons? :D
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Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas, On 21 January 2000 at 22:23:46 GMT +0800 (which was 14:23 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and TF by mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but TF my ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind TF it. :-( If you double click on the ticker, the virtual folder opens in all its' glory. Allie found it. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello all, on Thu, 20 Jan 2000, at 00:07:24 local time (GMT -0800), nurmot wrote: Clicking on a URL, or rt. clicking and selecting OPEN THIS LINK, gives this error message: "No Application is associated w/ the specified file for this application". sounds like Netscape is not your default browser ... HTM should be associated with a browser in Windows Explorer (view - options - filetypes) ... is there any entry with 'hypertext document' there ? -- Rob ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 ... They can't fire me, slaves have to be sold. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:23:46 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and by mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but my ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind it. :-( :))) Instead of sending yourself messages and tying up your mail server among other mishaps, you may generate some unread messages by going through a few folders, selecting a couple messages, and marking them as unread. Your ticker should come to life now, showing the various messages in their various folders. Now double click on any of the messages displayed in the ticker. A view folder window will popup. Go the View|Message list and you'll see that this View Folder window is actually a virtual folder view, listing all messages being displayed by the ticker. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Friday, January 21, 2000, 7:19:52 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Have you tried: view - sort by - received time instead? Well Thomas, I'm going to give that a try, and see if it alleviates the problem with having the original message strangely stuck in the middle of a thread. If it's the originating computer system time that is at fault, changing to "Received time", which I presume is the time my Server get's the message, will correct the anomaly of having the originating message somewhere other than at the beginning of the thread. Thanks for your help. Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Morning Syafril Hermansyah, Great, how did you know that, by trial ? No. I just read every single mail here. It was discussed before, this was mentioned. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Thursday, January 20, 2000, 8:01:43 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Thursday, January 20, 2000, 7:54:19 AM, Nick wrote: I'm just curious, but what purpose would be served by trying to run Xnews with Hamster? What added functionality would it serve that is not already present in Xnews? Wild guess, Hamster is a local news server. XNews doesn't have true offline reading capabilities so it needs a local news server to do that. I was thinking more about this Steve, and remembered that Xnews has a storage feature. Would not storing of bodies serve the same purpose as running Hamster with Xnews? Are they not one in the same, only using different Folders basically? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Ctrl-F4 (was: Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL)
Hi, On Friday, January 21, 2000, 3:29:12 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: off-list reply is Ctrl-F4. It works every time. Get used to it and avoid embarrassing stains - I mean - incidents. ;-) Careful with your suggestions. This doesn't work when somebody, such as me, has '%TO=""%TO="TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"' in his/her reply template. Regards, Markus Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:30:16 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: Wild guess, Hamster is a local news server. XNews doesn't have true offline reading capabilities so it needs a local news server to do that. I was thinking more about this Steve, and remembered that Xnews has a storage feature. Would not storing of bodies serve the same purpose as running Hamster with Xnews? Are they not one in the same, only using different Folders basically? Yes, but I can't seem to get at these stored messages without first going online and opening the group with the connection going. You could however disconnect after having opened the group and continue reading offline. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Oxymoron: Rush hour. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Allie, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:17:50 -0500 GMT (22.01.2000, 00:17 +0800 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM Instead of sending yourself messages and tying up your mail server AM among other mishaps, you may generate some unread messages by going AM through a few folders, selecting a couple messages, and marking them as AM unread. Stupid me. And I thought unread message are messages that I hadn't read. Thanks for brining me back to earth. ;-) AM Your ticker should come to life now, showing the various messages AM in their various folders. AM Now double click on any of the messages displayed in the ticker. A AM view folder window will popup. Go the View|Message list Aha! That's it! Works! :-))) (I stopped at "a view folder will pop up", didn't think of the next step). AM and you'll see that this View Folder window is actually a virtual AM folder view, listing all messages being displayed by the ticker. Beautiful. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas,
On 21 January 2000 at 23:56:50 GMT +0800 (which was 15:56 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:
TF I tried again and failed. :-(. When I double-click on the ticker,
TF one message will be shown as View Folder (full screen). With all
TF headers ("kludges") even though I do not have it enabled. No
TF message-list style summary. I tried it with both Message Autoview
TF ON and OFF. No difference.
TF Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere?
No, but you do have to have View / Message List enabled. It is a
virtual folder with its' own configuration memory, so you can toggle
Kludges off and turn message list on, etc. to configure it to your
taste. Without the message list, it doesn't make much sense.
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Re[2]: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:29:12 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:29:12 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck So - this line's a DEAD HORSE folks. Just one question, how many dead horses have been generated so far??? have you ever counted them ??? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:23:46 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:23:46 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and by Thomas mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but my Thomas ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind it. :-( I donot see it either Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello Angel, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 06:49:55 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:49:55 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Angel wrote: Angel Hello fellow Bataholics! Angel I don't know how I configured it Angel but I have Netscape 4.7 as my default browser and the clickable URLs in TB! work whether Angel Netscape is open or closed. It will bring up Netscape if it's closed, and use the current Angel window if open. worked on my system as well but if you uninstall netscape it takes so much stuff with it which it overwrite from MS that you need to apply bandages to fix it Angel Just general info: I use Opera AWA IE... different browsers for different "jobs" :D But Angel Netscape is my default. Angel Regards, Angel ~~~Angel ...your RDR Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Friday, January 21, 2000, 7:56:50 AM, Thomas wrote: Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere? No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't view message) window. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible filter bug?
Friday, January 21, 2000, 5:14:17 AM, Syafril wrote: This is very important to filter "bcc:". How? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
Friday, January 21, 2000, 2:56:11 AM, Allie wrote: trimmed) is far more than what I have written and if I'm sure that I still want to send? Now tell me In Gravity (IIRC) there is an option to set a threshold on that warning. IE, messages under x lines don't get checked on the quote ratio. I never reformat my news Well, you should, especially if it needs to be to make it easier for people to read it. :) No why would anyone do that? ;) Well, you should, especially if it needs to be to make it easier for people to read it. :) Oh, that, ok. :) :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I donot use colours for news That's you. :) Also who said colors are for news. Personally I find black on white blinding. I am upset at Windows for tying certain color values together which force people to use a dark on light color scheme than a light on dark. Configuring editor colors could mean just having comfortable colors to work with. I do. I just gave my opinion, remember? I didn't declare that no-one should use it. I take my message formatting seriously since I strongly feel that it's good courtesy to make your reader comfortable. Now why would you want that? I do. I just gave my opinion, remember? I didn't declare that no-one should use it. I take my message formatting seriously since I strongly feel that it's good courtesy to make your reader comfortable. Oh, right, that too. :) BTW, yes, I did modify your text to prove your point. Will you forgive me? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Thursday, January 20, 2000, 7:51:44 PM, Thomas wrote: There was also a discussion about an adiitional flag, "seen" (as opposed ot new or read), with which messages could be marked that need relpies. I haven't heard whether this will be available in v2, but think not. This is done somewhat in elm and, IIRC, mutt as well where messages are "old" when left unread between different sessions. *shrug* -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
Friday, January 21, 2000, 8:30:16 AM, Nick wrote: I was thinking more about this Steve, and remembered that Xnews has a storage feature. Would not storing of bodies serve the same purpose as running Hamster with Xnews? Are they not one in the same, only using different Folders basically? Uhm, partially. You'd have to download all the messages each time. I dunno if XNews can do that (I barely use it as it is). Off-line reading in the other packages involves marking messages to be downloaded and then read on the next pass through the news server. *shrug* Mongo have cable. Mongo always connected. Mongo no need off-line news reading. Mongo not know how it works. Ungh. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hi Tom, TP In this vein, can anyone tell me where the startup sequence for the TP webbrowser is stored so I can have it call IE differently? in windows explorer: View | folder options | HTML Document -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A in Darmstadt, Germany, on a 500Mhz P3, 128MB SDRAM, SCSI disks http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: HELP: no administrator rights anymore
Hallo Juergen Frisch! But what about trying to create a new account, which is the old in fact? As I have no administrator rights any more, I cannot create any new accounts with THE BAT! -- regards -cw- === Christian Weiss . logisch - so macht Internet Sinn. A-1230 Wien/Vienna.Fon/Fax: +43-1-886 24 79 E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED].ICQ # 4273362 Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey WWW: http://www.logisch.at . http://www.logisch.com === -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Hi Markus, On 21 January 2000 at 18:01:39 GMT +0100 (which was 17:01 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: off-list reply is Ctrl-F4. It works every time. Get used to it and avoid embarrassing stains - I mean - incidents. ;-) MG Careful with your suggestions. This doesn't work when somebody, MG such as me, has '%TO=""%TO="TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"' in MG his/her reply template. Hmm. Thanks for that warning , Markus. Those of you with this problem please take note. However, I now feel a mini-rant coming on. :- It makes very little sense to me for anyone to do that on this list. What is wrong with the To: address that is put in there by default? Whether you use the munged setting or not (you now have the switch to change the default TB behaviour). Replies on *this* list are usually to the individual making the original posting. The TB name munging, although repugnant to some, works perfectly to promote very sensible and legible conversation. I can tell when someone has replied to one of my postings and zoom in on it as a point of interest. But not when the conversational flow has been compromised by such a device as used in your TBUDL reply template. :-( IMHO I would recommend reverting to default behaviour for TBUDL replies - unless you can come up with a *really* good reason to keep it the way it is (beyond the techno-puritanical "don't munge the address" argument). OTOH, if you want to keep it the way you've got it, you have every right. My advice still stands for those less munge-phobic - use Ctrl-F4 to speak off-list and standard Reply mechanisms to address messages to posters within the list. Those of you sympathising with Markus - sorry I have no solutions :-( -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL
Hi tracer, On 21 January 2000 at 00:10:34 GMT +0700 (which was 17:10 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Marck So - this line's a DEAD HORSE folks. t Just one question, how many dead horses have been generated so t far??? have you ever counted them ??? Just doing so: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:08:57 +0900 Subject: Dead horse was - Re[2]: ONE CLICK ON TB ICON IN SYSTRAY Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:34 +0900 Subject: DEAD HORSE! was - Re[3]: Copy to... The above Dead Horses were slain by Leif while the following are my own work: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:32:30 + Subject: DEAD HORSE INVOKED Re[2]: OT: Computer Philosophy Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:53:06 + Subject: DEAD HORSE (was Re[2]: (No Subject)) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 02:56:28 + Subject: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Delete Confirmations ?) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:12:07 + Subject: DEAD HORSE AGAIN (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:38:36 + Subject: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:29:12 + Subject: Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL Not all that many in the scheme of things. You're generally a polite and well behaved bunch. Shucks, I'm proud of you guys. Brings a tear to the corners sniff ;-). Keep it up! -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Friday, January 21, 2000, 8:44:59 AM, Allie Martin wrote: Yes, but I can't seem to get at these stored messages without first going online and opening the group with the connection going. You could however disconnect after having opened the group and continue reading offline. I have my storage options set to zero seeing as I've got cable, and am always on-line. However, if you store articles with Xnews, it doesn't make sense to have to quickly go on-line to retrieve them... should they not be "stored" as the feature suggests? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Hi Steve, On 21 January 2000 at 10:14:07 GMT -0800 (which was 18:14 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: sigh I really didn't want to get into this. :-( Replies on *this* list are usually to the individual making the original posting. SL Other lists are different? What, all lists are the same? The TB name munging, although repugnant to some, works perfectly to promote very sensible and legible conversation. SL No it doesn't. The fact that the replies are there does that. SL The munging adds nothing but confusion. Not from my POV, however. My name is "Marck D. Pearlstone". When this message comes back out of the list, it will request that replies be sent to TBUDL rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED] That may not be my *usual* address, but it certainly is the address at and from which I am engaging in this conversation. I am perfectly happy about this, because I am accustomed to the conventions of this list and other lists of which I am a subscriber. When I have a conversation on a list, I don't implicitly invite an off-list conversation of any sort but I certainly *do* invite comments to be addressed to me personally within the list. TB supports this happening automatically. I like that. It adds to the community feel of a group of individuals, each of whom has something to say and usually something to say to another individual within the community. It gives a far greater human feel to it for me. When I want to reply to *anyone* sending me a mail, I am talking to a person at an address. That person probably has a real name. If it was stated at all, the real name will be found in who the message was from - the "From" header. If it was stated, then it is certain that that person wishes to be spoken to using that name. If that same person has requested that I send replies to an address that is *not* their normal address by using a different "Reply-To" address in their original message then IMHO it is a politeness and courtesy to combine the two headers in exactly the way TB does it. In the case of TBUDL, we have the list configured to direct replies back to the list. This is where the real bone of contention arises. If I receive a land mail from a friend who asks me to write to them at a holding address, I will do exactly that. I will put my friend's name on the envelope and follow it with the holding address. It would be ridiculous to leave my friend's name off that envelope just because it is not going to their normal address. I feel exactly the same about e-mail and nothing you can say will convince me that you're right here Steve. I agree, that it's soggy technology but, heck it's human. I can understand how it works and how it will work and stop it if it's about to do something embarrassing. Usually, it doesn't and I'm perfectly happy with exactly what it wants to do. Sorry you don't like it that way :-( (genuinely). I much prefer agreeing with you. I can tell when someone has replied to one of my postings and zoom in on it as a point of interest. SL You can do that with threading I read via the ticker virtual folder. The thread is in my base folder. I can't see it. :-( SL or having a filter search for your MSGID identifier and mark the SL message as high, or copy it into another folder. Why should I want to expend the energy to set that up when it already works *exactly* how I want it to. I have more than enough to do. Truly. IMHO I would recommend reverting to default behaviour for TBUDL replies - unless you can come up with a *really* good reason to keep it the way it is (beyond the techno-puritanical "don't munge the address" argument). SL I recommend not doing it. "Techno-pritanical", to me, seems SL to be used in an offensive manner. It may have possibly come over that way. However, what I mean by that is "pure-in-the-technical-sense". Perhaps it would have been better said as "techno-purists". It is my acknowledgement that 1) I would have you to answer to for this particular (and strange) pet point of view I hold ;-) and 2) that I recognize that I am not on the technically pure side in this conversation. SL First off, don't munge the address without a damned good reason. SL This is not a damned good reason. Matter of opinion. I think that politeness in list based conversation is a plenty good enough reason. (However, I believe that you don't think that a *good enough* reason). SL Secondly, I do *NOT* want my name attached with the email SL address for the list. My address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], not SL [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have hand massaged your name into something that now correctly represents the fact that the e-mail address in the To: field of the message is not yours. Does that make you feel any less aggrieved? No, probably not :-(. Well, I tried, all right? g SL Thirdly, since one can add addresses to
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:21:53 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Also who said colors are for news. Personally I find black on white blinding. I am upset at Windows for tying certain color values together which force people to use a dark on light color scheme than a light on dark. Configuring editor colors could mean just having comfortable colors to work with. This is what I was referring to. BTW, yes, I did modify your text to prove your point. Will you forgive me? :) I'll think about it. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Web hyperlinks don't work
TP In this vein, can anyone tell me where the startup sequence for the TP webbrowser is stored so I can have it call IE differently? WK in windows explorer: View | folder options | HTML Document That's so beautiful it makes me want to cry. Now the problem is those damned forsaken Windows "hidden types" or whatever... You know, when a doc type is registered, but doesn't show up there? Fucking Windows. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Friday, January 21, 2000, 11:55:25 AM, Marck wrote: SL Other lists are different? What, all lists are the same? Asside from announce-only lists where there are no replies can you think of a list where replies aren't made to individuals? :) Not from my POV, however. My name is "Marck D. Pearlstone". When this message comes back out of the list, it will request that replies be sent to TBUDL rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED] That may not be my *usual* address, but it certainly is the address at and from which I am engaging in this conversation. I am perfectly happy about this, because I am accustomed to the conventions of this list and other lists of which I am a subscriber. However, you are not the list nor is the list's address yours. The reply-to of the list satisfies the convention of replies going back to the list unless otherwise needed. We don't need your name associated with the list address to have that. It gives a far greater human feel to it for me. Group hug! No really, makes you an easier target for me. *gack* It just pisses me off. different "Reply-To" address in their original message then IMHO it is a politeness and courtesy to combine the two headers in exactly the way TB does it. Uhm, no, it is not. Why? 1: It is header munging. Don't do it. 2: If the person wants their name in the TO: field off a reply-to, they can configured the reply-to to have their name in it. 3: Personally, I don't give a crap if my name is in the to field or not. In fact, on some lists I send mail out as "Grey d'Miyu [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and get replies to "Grey". Big deal. What matters is the *BODY* of the message. And in the body of the message, low and behold, we have an attribution line with the person's name in it! "Friday, January 21, 2000, 11:55:25 AM, Marck wrote:" In the case of TBUDL, we have the list configured to direct replies back to the list. This is where the real bone of contention arises. No. My bone is with TB! doing something it should not be doing, period. If I set my reply-to to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want people sending mail to "Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]". Why? What happens when it is a communal box with several different people responding? IE, I may not be the only person in that box, why should my name be attached to that address unless I asked it to be? It should not. It would be ridiculous to leave my friend's name off that envelope just because it is not going to their normal address. That is not the issue here. Your friend's name is part of the technical routing of that letter. Who it is do is defined by his name, especially if that holding address is, say, his parent's place. Which of the 5 people at that residence at that time will be getting the letter? That technical requirement doesn't exist in email. I am [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is all that is needed to route mail to me. The name in front is a comment, nothing more. However, having a comment mismatched with an email address causes confusion, may be what people don't want, and is SEVERELY frowned upon. I feel exactly the same about e-mail and nothing you can say will convince me that you're right here Steve. You're wrong. See above. When you can prove that there is technical merit equal to the addressing on snailmail I might consider your arguments as mildly valid. Until then, no, wrong, don't do it. I agree, that it's soggy technology but, heck it's human. I can understand how it works and how it will work and stop it if it's about to do something embarrassing. That is you. You're familiar with TB! and how it works. Now have that interaction with the millions of nonTB! email readers and their reaction to it. I read via the ticker virtual folder. The thread is in my base folder. I can't see it. :-( Tough. Why should I want to expend the energy to set that up when it already works *exactly* how I want it to. I have more than enough to do. Truly. Because how you've gotten used to doing it is *WRONG* for quite a few technical and social reasons. Matter of opinion. I think that politeness in list based conversation is a plenty good enough reason. (However, I believe that you don't think that a *good enough* reason). No, it is not a good reason. "Politeness" is not a reason to break standards. Breaking standards, by its very nature, is impolite. How can you argue to be impolite for politeness' sake? I have hand massaged your name into something that now correctly represents the fact that the e-mail address in the To: field of the message is not yours. Does that make you feel any less aggrieved? No, probably not :-(. Well, I tried, all right? g No, it doesn't. My name is still associated with an address that does not get mail to me and only me. Stop it, NOW. ... which is why I have made the habit of only recording From addresses with the automated add facility :-).
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Friday, January 21, 2000 at 07:19:52 ,Thomas scribbled:
TF Have you tried:
TF view - sort by - received time
TF instead?
The only reason I have it sort by creation time is because when I tried it by Received
time, for
some reason the emails in the thread seem to jump all over the place as to which one
came
first etc. It takes some servers forever to receive things, which accounts for someone
asking me: "have you gotten this yet?" and I haven't, yet they emailed it hours ago.
AFAICT, the creation time keeps Re:'s in more order, then I don't have to be clicking
all over
to figure out who wrote what when. :D I've tried every combo possible and this is what
works for me :D
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Re[3]: HELP: no administrator rights anymore
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Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
TP I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. DH he failed to take my comment to heart and reacted stupidly. DH The four words he refers to are obviously offensive ones. "obviously" to some perhaps. To me, inappropriate to the list but not necessarily offensive. Reacting stupidly? When someone tells you to shut your trap because you're totally off base, how do you respond? Beyond that, anyone wishing to get aggressive with me in relation to any of my comments is invited to do it off list, where it will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. DH He won't bother and with that said, the matter will be let lie, and DH the swift and appropriate reaction would probably be the delete key. Good thing you're crossing threads here. If you go look up who actually wrote those words, you'll find it's not me. In fact, I could tell you exactly who wrote it, but I won't, simply because he has some good things to say also, and although he and I lock horns often enough over various things, I respect the guy 'cause he never goes out of his way to try to cast a bad light on other people, like quoting sections of other people's posts and attributing them to different people. IOW, he knows how to make an arguement, and he doesn't get offended when people express their own offense at something that he wrote. DH The guy may know something about computers but he makes far too many DH assumptions and his opinions whether on or off target, are worth a lot DH less than he seems to think. Can anyone here tell me how opinions can be deemed, by a third party, to be off-target? -tom! -- Knowin' this said nothing useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] apologizes. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Friday, January 21, 2000 at 12:33:29 , I scribbled and *need an eraser* :
A It takes some servers forever to receive things,
Make that "Receive/Deliver"
Sorry 'bout that :D
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Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Friday, January 21, 2000 at 08:22:40 ,Rob scribbled:
R oh yeah, and then click the 'creation time' column header so the arrow
R points up (ascending ?) ;-)
I have mine pointing down, so that the most recent message is displayed first :D That
way
when I open the thread, all the recent messages are right there "in my face" so to
speak.
Just a personal preference...not saying it's for everyone...It's just easier for me
this
way :D
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Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive to the needs of its users - not vice versa. J True, but it's hard for software itself to do so. Sure, you can make it J super-customizable, but that will always mean work for the user to customize J it. How long did it take you all to get a working installation of TB!? It took me a long time. That was a lot of work. Plus, I'm sharp and actually know a thing or two about computers (thanks to Doug Hinds to point that out), but TB! is already in the super-customizable state. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: HELP: no administrator rights anymore
Hello Roel! have you tried all your accounts to log-in to tb! ? so there still should be 1 account with admin-rights. That solved it! Thanks a lot!!! -- regards, -cw- === Christian Weiss . logisch - so macht Internet Sinn. A-1230 Wien/Vienna.Fon/Fax: +43-1-886 24 79 E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED].ICQ # 4273362 Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey WWW: http://www.logisch.at . http://www.logisch.com === -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Having to kill Dupes
TF I tried it again, and: the Dispatcher no longer deletes! I know it TF worked in an earlier version, but today it definitely did not. TF Furthermore, my killfilter didn't kill this message to TF [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it used to. Works here on my installation, see headers for version. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Steve, SL Asside from announce-only lists where there are no replies can you SL think of a list where replies aren't made to individuals? :) if you mean: stripping of any 'to'-info replacing it with the list-adress (and thus losing the names...) = wdvl-talk... -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Speelplein Aboe http://surf.to/aboe ** Reality seems to be a constant intrusion on my dreams! Using The Bat! 1.39 on Windows 98 4.10 build A with a Intel p200-MMX @ 64 MB 21Gb Hd .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
Hello Steve all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 21, 2000, 2:16:00 PM, Steve wrote in response to Marck's saying: What, all lists are the same? After Steve said: SL Other lists are different? I just tried replying with TB to 6 lists related to my work (which is not computer related, I just use them rather heavily). While most respond to sender when typing Ctrl+F5, ALL responded to sender using Ctrl+F4. Therefore, I would say that all lists are not the same and that Marck was correct in recommending the use of Ctrl+F4 when replying to sender only. SL Asside from announce-only lists where there are no replies can you SL think of a list where replies aren't made to individuals? :) A number of participatory lists do in fact work that way, but most are varied - that is, they can come in either way. snip SL However, you are not the list nor is the list's address yours. The SL reply-to of the list satisfies the convention of replies going SL back to the list unless otherwise needed. We don't need your name SL associated with the list address to have that. It appeared to me that Marck gave an example which applies to any sender. The protocols used for TBUDL would have to be taken up with dutaint, I would think. It gives a far greater human feel to it for me. SL Group hug! No really, makes you an easier target for me. *gack* There is no doubt that no one on this list who posts is immune to being a target. An interested anecdote that illustrates that: One someone would get aggressive in one of the places I lived longest (and like most), it was common to ask if "a ti no te entran?", meaning: Are you bullet proof? It was an excellent place to live because everyone was consistently careful to be polite. different "Reply-To" address in their original message then IMHO it is a politeness and courtesy to combine the two headers in exactly the way TB does it. SL Uhm, no, it is not. Why? SL 1: It is header munging. Don't do it. Would you mind defining munging? SL 2: If the person wants their name in the TO: field off a reply-to, SL they can configured the reply-to to have their name in it. SL 3: Personally, I don't give a crap if my name is in the to field SL or not. In fact, on some lists I send mail out as "Grey d'Miyu SL [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and get replies to "Grey". Big deal. What SL matters is the *BODY* of the message. And in the body of the SL message, low and behold, we have an attribution line with the SL person's name in it! If I understand you correctly, I would say that TBs templates rely on the "Steve Lamb" in the Steve Lamb TBUDL etc to produce "Hello Steve all fellow" etc or whatever I want it to say. This is a consistent approach and consistency is valuable, when shared by the user. SL "Friday, January 21, 2000, 11:55:25 AM, Marck wrote:" In the case of TBUDL, we have the list configured to direct replies back to the list. This is where the real bone of contention arises. SL No. My bone is with TB! doing something it should not be doing, SL period. If I set my reply-to to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't SL want people sending mail to "Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]". How are TB replies directed to TBUDL coming in as [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Now I see your point - you do that on purpose, as is your choice. And if I reply to you, it WILL never-the-less be directed as you say. You are saying then that you are unhappy with that design choice. I would think that with your skill you could design an email client to your own ideals. Alternatively, you could discuss this with the programmers. But I can't say that in my own case I find this trait to be a negative factor. In general, I'd say it was positive for to reasons: One, it's easier to delete than to type in, and more important in this case, the response IS being made to Steve Lamb in response to a post Steve Lamb made, and those subscribing to TBUDL are thus able to take that into account when deciding whether to open the post or not. Who is writing to to who and regarding what is definitely a factor to me. There have been over 4000 TBUDL posts since November - no way I'm going to read them all. SL Why? What happens when it is a communal box with several different SL people responding? IE, I may not be the only person in that box, SL why should my name be attached to that address unless I asked it SL to be? SL It should not. You want to be asked whether your name should be used when replying to you? It would be ridiculous to leave my friend's name off that envelope just because it is not going to their normal address. SL That is not the issue here. Your friend's name is part of the SL technical routing of that letter. Who it is do is defined by his SL name, especially if that holding address is, say, his parent's SL place. Which of the 5 people at that residence at that time will SL be getting the letter? SL That technical requirement doesn't exist in email. I am SL [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is all that is needed to
Re: Ctrl-F4
Hi there! On 21 Jan 00, at 15:49, Douglas Hinds wrote about "Re[2]: Ctrl-F4": SL That technical requirement doesn't exist in email. I am SL [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is all that is needed to route mail to SL me. The name in front is a comment, nothing more. However, having SL a comment mismatched with an email address causes confusion, may SL be what people don't want, and is SEVERELY frowned upon. Interesting logic. I wonder how many other TUBDL subscribers share that concern. I do. Two reasons: 1. It's written in RFC822 and the succeeding ones;-) To put it in less technical way, all the data _but_ that inside ... is optional and is generally of a comment nature. Stricktly speaking, the data enclosed in "..." quotes is a "string", whereas the data in (...) is defined as "comment", but *both* types of data can and might be omitted. In other words, these are not required. These are optional. But this does _not_ mean that I can use them like I want. This is a matter of netiquette. To USA residents: what about the (technically, correct!) address: "Bullp*nis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (well, my apologies, but I had to make the point!) But well, I'd say, TB does something like that by default;-) 2. As Steve has already pointed out, the addresses like "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] get filled into the MRU list, where from TB gets them for autocompletion. This *is* a _severe_ bug, regardless of what you think about it. And since it is a bug, it *has* to be fixed. Personally, the second reason above is a major one for me. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Life is what happens to you while you are making other plans. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:18:05 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: [..snip..] That bugs must be fixed is a truism. If it's a bug, it must be fixed or squashed, let live, industrialized or released in a field (if a predator, pathogen or parasite of a pest). But it sounds like a design choice though. What do Stef and Max say about it? It is a design choice but the bug Alex speaks of was definitely not intended. I was testing TB! once and wrote a note to myself. I filled in 'allie' in the to field and the auto-completion finished for me: "allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]" That should never happen. The auto-completion is for legitimate addressing. Now, I have been finding that TB! has some really nice and novel ideas but they tend to have loopholes that lead to bugs. This is a loophole in the feature, that needs to be addressed. The quote prefixing is novel as well and has loopholes in it. The editor does some neat things automatically but again has loopholes in these. I've been writing about them but they persist. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ If at first you don't succeed, skydiving probably isn't for you. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:27:58 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: [..snip..] 2. As Steve has already pointed out, the addresses like "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] get filled into the MRU list, where from TB gets them for autocompletion. This *is* a _severe_ bug, regardless of what you think about it. And since it is a bug, it *has* to be fixed. This, I am in agreement with especially since I fell victim to it once. That definitely should be addressed. As to the netiquette part and associating names with mailing list addresses? I have no quarrel. It helps me since I don't thread my messages. I then display the 'to:' column and can see who's writing to whom. Most of the arguments against this are largely hypothetical and seems to ignore the greater picture. It's kind of dogmatic to the point where it's beginning to sound fanatical, especially since the feature may be disabled. But hey, that's just me. sigh -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ ATTORNEY.LAW found...(A)bort (R)etain (S)ue ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
Hello Alexander all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 21, 2000, 4:27:58 PM, Alexander wrote in response to my saying: Interesting logic. I wonder how many other TUBDL subscribers share that concern. When Steve said: SL That technical requirement doesn't exist in email. I am SL [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is all that is needed to route mail to SL me. The name in front is a comment, nothing more. However, having SL a comment mismatched with an email address causes confusion, may SL be what people don't want, and is SEVERELY frowned upon. He said: AVK I do. Two reasons: AVK 1. It's written in RFC822 and the succeeding ones;-) These are established conventions then? AVK To put it in less technical way, all the data _but_ that inside AVK ... is optional and is generally of a comment nature. Stricktly AVK speaking, the data enclosed in "..." quotes is a "string", AVK whereas the data in (...) is defined as "comment", but *both* AVK types of data can and might be omitted. Understood. AVK In other words, these are not required. These are optional. But AVK this does _not_ mean that I can use them like I want. This is a AVK matter of netiquette. To USA residents: what about the AVK (technically, correct!) address: AVK "Bullp*nis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (well, my apologies, but I AVK had to make the point!) But what TB is doing is making use of non-essential but also non-confidential user supplied data. The supposition being that it's there to be used. In the example given, to my knowledge, Mr. Clinton doesn't provide non-essential comment you mentioned in the configuration of his email client, and although one of his correspondents may have had reason to add such a non-essential comment for reasons of their own; while technically feasible, it is unlikely that this was actually done. Once again, I am dealing with this issue in logical terms, but logic requires a point of departure and if an established convention exists the contrary, I'd like to know more about it. I fail to see the breech of net-etiquette in itself. AVK But well, I'd say, TB does something like that by default;-) AVK 2. As Steve has already pointed out, the addresses like AVK "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] get filled into AVK the MRU list, where from TB gets them for autocompletion. This AVK *is* a _severe_ bug, regardless of what you think about it. And AVK since it is a bug, it *has* to be fixed. That bugs must be fixed is a truism. If it's a bug, it must be fixed or squashed, let live, industrialized or released in a field (if a predator, pathogen or parasite of a pest). But it sounds like a design choice though. What do Stef and Max say about it? AVK Personally, the second reason above is a major one for me. Well, I can certainly respect that. Rest assured that you can count on me to provide any moral support needed with regard to this matter. There is no doubt in my mind that your contributions have been fundamental in relation to achieving the progress all of us on TBUDL desire and continue to strive for. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:06:35 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: It's kind of dogmatic to the point where it's beginning to sound fanatical, especially since the feature may be disabled. But hey, that's just me. sigh Really? Tell me why people's replies to me still have my name attached to an address I hold no control over even though I turned the option off? Uhm, errr, *light cough*, OK. I didn't consider that at all. *Allie hangs his head in shame and embarrassment* :) Ok, take a look at this message and tell me what you think. I'll try to keep it up for you. :) Aside from that you may disable it from your end so that you no longer will be contributing to the mangling, and two, the auto-completion mess will stop. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Friday, January 21, 2000, 4:16:20 PM, Allie wrote: Uhm, errr, *light cough*, OK. I didn't consider that at all. *Allie hangs his head in shame and embarrassment* :) Touche' monsieur pussycat! Ok, take a look at this message and tell me what you think. I'll try to keep it up for you. :) It works, for me. Now how many other people on how many other lists view it in the same light? :) Aside from that you may disable it from your end so that you no longer will be contributing to the mangling, and two, the auto-completion mess will stop. Which I already have. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Friday, January 21, 2000, 8:22:40 AM, Rob wrote: oh yeah, and then click the 'creation time' column header so the arrow points up (ascending ?) ;-) Yes, this works for me... keeps the most recent reply in the thread, at the bottom, so it keeps the conversation in some intelligible order. I can read the initial message, and all the replies are now listed in chronological order. Thanks. :o) Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:49:19 +0100, Rob wrote: Ah yes, a not so quick search of my archives revealed that the file in question is the prefs.js file. yep ... that one and liprefs.js ; i'd love to have a list of all possible entries/values for those files !! There is (or was) a list somewhere on Netscape's support pages. Try looking for jsprefs.htm, perhaps on developer.netscape.com? If you fail to find an actual copy, I have the version from Netscape 4.06 (older than a year) in my archives and could mail it to you off list (unzipped 370 KB). Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "U dene n ischs i d Chnöde glöötet wie bschüttigs Chrüzimääl düre Chätschabertrog." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? It is a self-extracting RAR archive. You can open it with e.g. WinRAR (www.rarsoft.com) without executing it. There was a discussion on this list or TBBETA some weeks ago on compressing utilities, mentioning other freeware and shareware tools capable of reading RAR format, perhaps you find it in the archive... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Schtill! Was ziberlet dert näbem Tobelöhli z grachtige n uuf u aab?" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Possible bug / problem
Hi All, I have noticed that even though I have set the properties on certain folders to delete messages after X number of days, the messages are never deleted unless I go into the folders and manually delete them. Is this a problem / bug or am I doing something wrong? I do not have any of the messages parked. Thanks. __ Best regards, Jeff Worley Systems Consultant | E-Mailed by The Bat! Version 1.39 | The World's Best E-Mail Client!!! | Check it out at http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html | under Windows 98 4.10 Build A | on an AMD K6-II 380 Mhz _ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible bug / problem
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:46:33 -0600, JWorley wrote: I have noticed that even though I have set the properties on certain folders to delete messages after X number of days, the messages are never deleted unless I go into the folders and manually delete them. Is this a problem / bug or am I doing something wrong? I do not have any of the messages parked. Thanks. AFAIK, the purges are done only upon exiting TB!. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomaches - David Daye ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
Morning Nick Andriash, If it's the originating computer system time that is at fault, changing to "Received time", which I presume is the time my Server get's the message, will correct the anomaly of having the originating message somewhere other than at the beginning of the thread. Actually, the received time is the time you downloaded the message. But in effect the sorting comes pretty close to the time the server gets them (I think because it downloads in just that sequence) -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Morning Tom Plunket, How long did it take you all to get a working installation of TB!? It took me a long time. That was a lot of work. Let's see... me tries to remember when he first set up TB about 2 years ago IIRC, it took me about an hour or two the very first time, which I think is okay considering all I had used before was the ugly CompuServe WinCIM... Of course, now it takes me 5 minutes to install it and get some mail Plus, I'm sharp and actually know a thing or two about computers (thanks to Doug Hinds to point that out), but TB! is already in the super-customizable state. TB is quite customizable, but not superly so. From what I hear TBv2 will be super-customizable and possibly capable of a total conversion... -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
Morning Allie Martin, The netiquette rules are global. Not necessarily... I'm involved in a community where shouting is just another way of expressing irony or used for fun, were you greet each other with "BITCH" and the likes and a song consisting only of cusswords is the typical creative output... These aren't bad, unfriendly or stupid people to be with, they just behave differently (and weird :) among themselves. Not every (net) community has the same standards and rules, and in some good message trimming and formatting might not be so important. But it is here, and I'd prefer if sir tracer would trim his mails a little and put a line after the quotes . . . please? -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work
on Thu, 20 Jan 2000, at 00:07:24 local time (GMT -0800), nurmot wrote: "No Application is associated w/the specified file for this application". then you wrote: try putting this line in prefs.js snip ... worth a try. Thanks, Rob, for your efforts. Unfortunately that's not the problem (although I did give it a try). I finally wrote to the Bat Cave and they answered, explaining that TB! *needs* Internet Exploiter installed in order to properly launch URL's. (Yes, I neglected to mention that i'm using a version of Win95B that was installed w/o *any* IE files. Strange,but true) After torturing myself w/ the Agent e-mail program for many months, I decided to try something else. In the last 30 days i've tried Calypso, TB! and Becky. All 4 of these programs have things that are *really* cool and all have things that i'd like to change. But, unfortunately, *none* of them will display HTML mail *AND* "launch" URL's to the default browser. Agent Calypso will "launch" URL's fine and TB! will display HTML mail beautifully (w/o using the IE "rendering engine" !!). Becky does neither. Tonight I stray further afield and try replacing Navigator 4.08 with Communicator 4.7 so I can see if I can live w/ it's e-mail program. I can hear your voices already, as I type this: "You'll be back!". I know - I know. The alternative is to install the Evil Infestation From Redmond. I don't think that I can do it.shudder Tom Bill Gates talking about Innovation is like Bill Clinton talking about celibacy ~ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Ctrl-F4
Hello Allie almost all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 21, 2000, 5:56:42 PM, Allie wrote in response to my saying: That bugs must be fixed is a truism. If it's a bug, it must be fixed or squashed, let live, industrialized or released in a field (if a predator, pathogen or parasite of a pest). But it sounds like a design choice though. What do Stef and Max say about it? AM It is a design choice but the bug Alex speaks of was definitely AM not intended. I was testing TB! once and wrote a note to myself. I AM filled in 'allie' in the to field and the auto-completion finished AM for me: AM "allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]" You are right and I have noticed that. But - if you correct it, the next time around it will do it the was it was done last. As you say, it's auto completion, which sometimes helps and sometimes doesn't. Even then, the autocompleted part stays selected so you can continue typing and it will try another option. This is my interpretation of what I see happening. AM That should never happen. The auto-completion is for legitimate AM addressing. You mean from the address book? If so, just hit F8 and choose your address(es). AM Now, I have been finding that TB! has some really nice AM and novel ideas but they tend to have loopholes that lead to bugs. AM This is a loophole in the feature, that needs to be addressed. It's so full of features that I too would like to see them better integrated. At least some of the principle developers are quite young, so the lack of integration is both understandable and correctable. The important thing to know I think is that these people are willing to assimilate and be responsive to our concerns, and I have found that to be true, before subscribing to TBUDL. AM The quote prefixing is novel as well and has loopholes in it. The AM editor does some neat things automatically but again has loopholes AM in these. I've been writing about them but they persist. I sometimes am VERY unhappy with TB's taking certain keystrokes as macros and sometimes the autocompletion thing seems to turn on during composition. I hate that. But I slow to a crawl and get through it. I'd rather turn it off though. AM The quote prefixing is novel as well and has loopholes in it. The AM editor does some neat things automatically but again has loopholes AM in these. I've been writing about them but they persist. I especially like the multilingual spell checker because it's noticeable but not obstructive - it let's you know but let's you work, rather than second guess you. The product is certainly good enough to be on the market, and rough enough to be improved. I have auto self bcc's on some folders but not the TBUDL folder. I just typed in the first 2 letters of an email address to another account and TB finished it for me. It never (or very rarely) fails. I suppose it depends on the key combination, though. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Hallo Steve, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:14:07 -0800 GMT (22.01.2000, 02:14 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: I can tell when someone has replied to one of my postings and zoom in on it as a point of interest. SL You can do that with threading or having a filter search for your MSGID SL identifier and mark the message as high, or copy it into another folder. Yes, you can. But, as stated before, everybody is different. Actually, I use the same approach as Marck. SL I recommend not doing it. "Techno-pritanical", to me, seems to be used SL in an offensive manner. First off, don't munge the address without a damned SL good reason. This is not a damned good reason. Didn't we go through this a couple of months ago, with the result that you can switch it off? "Do NOT use FROM name for REPLY-TO address" Account/Properties/Templates/Reply. What is the purpose of this renewed discussion? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again, hopefuuly for the last time
Friday, January 21, 2000, 10:19:59 PM, Douglas wrote: You obviously have a number of options, including the intentional distortion of my remarks, making snide remarks of your own and disregarding the moderators request to drop the excessive antagonism you've chosen to associate with this thread. Actually, Doug, they weren't distorted. You did basically tell people that they could write their own of they so chose. TP The reason *I* buy software is not because I *can't* write it, it's TP because I *don't want to*. My business is making video games, That explains it: saturated with violence and fantasy. Also means he's got a lot more intelligence than most people. Notable on that list, you. I'm sorry you seem unable to control your rage, but I'm sure the source is internal. You try too hard at the wrong things. In spite of the friendly post I sent you off list earlier today in order to start anew, you have this new to keeping harping about which can only be rightfully described as a dead horse. Yet here you are perpetuating it. Furthermore it is most often you that distorts people's words. In the few messages I've seen from you haven't once gotten what people have so clearly said. You distort them and make conflict where there is none. You're the first on this list. *plonk* I don't have time for people who through design or nature are being blatantly ignorant. expect. These tantrums and personal insinuations have nothing to do with TB! and the show will go on with or without you. Not all of us play games. Go away, Doug, you're the problem. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello Peter all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 21, 2000, 6:17:42 PM, Peter wrote in response to my saying: The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? PS It is a self-extracting RAR archive. You can open it with e.g. PS WinRAR (www.rarsoft.com) without executing it. I have winrar installed and expected it to take over, if the file was compressed, which it didn't. Thanks to your tip, I opened winrar and dragged the file to it, which then should it's contents. I had later downloaded the .exe file only from the beta site, and replaced the 1.38e .exe file with that this morning. Can't say I notice a difference yet. PS There was a discussion on this list or TBBETA some weeks ago on PS compressing utilities, mentioning other freeware and shareware tools PS capable of reading RAR format, perhaps you find it in the archive... Another good TB buddy gave me the url for it some time back. TBUDL has turned out to be not only a reliable source of TB support, but an outstanding example of civility and citizenry. Lasting friendships that go far beyond the list itself are already coming from it. Sure TB has bugs and the will continue to be found and corrected, as the mailer is improved. New bugs will arise but those too will be taken care of. Thanks again for the tip. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again,hopefuuly for the last time
Hello Tom all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 21, 2000, 4:55:06 PM, Tom wrote in response to my saying: DH You are saying then that you are unhappy with that design choice. DH I would think that with your skill you could design an email DH client to your own ideals. Alternatively, you could discuss this DH with the programmers. TP Ahh, now we're done saying "learn to deal with it", and have started TP saying "if you don't like it, just go write your own." You obviously have a number of options, including the intentional distortion of my remarks, making snide remarks of your own and disregarding the moderators request to drop the excessive antagonism you've chosen to associate with this thread. TP The reason *I* buy software is not because I *can't* write it, it's TP because I *don't want to*. My business is making video games, That explains it: saturated with violence and fantasy. TP *sigh* Sorry list. I'll just start filtering Doug's name from now TP on, too many posts simply enrage me. I'm sorry you seem unable to control your rage, but I'm sure the source is internal. You try too hard at the wrong things. In spite of the friendly post I sent you off list earlier today in order to start anew, you have this new to keeping harping about which can only be rightfully described as a dead horse. I'll end by pasting in the ending of my note sent to Tom off line earlier today (it was still before midnight here when I wrote that): I really don't feel any serious problem exists between us. For my part, let's get on with the show. (The off line reply I received from TP was MUCH nastier than this one). I really do have other things to do and am sure that's true with the rest of the list. If you have to address me at all, do it off list. I will NOT respond to any further TBUDL posts from you to me unless a radical improvement is forthcoming, which at this point is hard to expect. These tantrums and personal insinuations have nothing to do with TB! and the show will go on with or without you. Not all of us play games. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4 (was: Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL)
Hallo Markus, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:01:39 +0100 GMT (22.01.2000, 01:01 +0800 GMT), Markus Gloede wrote: off-list reply is Ctrl-F4. It works every time. Get used to it and avoid embarrassing stains - I mean - incidents. ;-) MG Careful with your suggestions. This doesn't work when somebody, such MG as me, has '%TO=""%TO="TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"' in his/her MG reply template. Why would you have such a macro in your reply template? I failt to see the reason. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Having to kill Dupes
Hallo Tom, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:00:49 -0800 GMT (22.01.2000, 05:00 +0800 GMT), Tom Plunket wrote: TF I tried it again, and: the Dispatcher no longer deletes! I know it TF worked in an earlier version, but today it definitely did not. TF Furthermore, my killfilter didn't kill this message to TF [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it used to. TP Works here on my installation, see headers for version. Can anybody else confirm that "delete on server" (kill filters as well as despatcher) worked in 1.38e but doesn't work in 1.39 any more? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Steve et al, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:26:34 -0800 GMT (22.01.2000, 01:26 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere? SL No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't view SL message) window. Latest on this (and closing statement): I've found this virutal folder, I *love* it, and have no idea how I ever lived without out it. Bye-bye preview pane. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4 - the dead horse walks again, hopefuuly for the last time
Hallo Douglas, On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:19:59 -0600 GMT (22.01.2000, 14:19 +0800 GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote some emotional stuff. Take it off-list, please. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Friday, January 21, 2000, 8:19:07 PM, Thomas wrote: Didn't we go through this a couple of months ago, with the result that you can switch it off? "Do NOT use FROM name for REPLY-TO address" Account/Properties/Templates/Reply. What is the purpose of this renewed discussion? The fact that making it an option still doesn't remove it as a bug? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4
Hallo Steve, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:47:28 -0800 GMT (22.01.2000, 14:47 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: What is the purpose of this renewed discussion? SL The fact that making it an option still doesn't remove it as a bug? Even nobody seems to have changed his/her opinion about this question in the meantime? Well then. Just thought I'd ask. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Ctrl-F4 (was: Re: Message not intended for posting on TBUDL)
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:05:03 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: off-list reply is Ctrl-F4. It works every time. Get used to it and avoid embarrassing stains - I mean - incidents. ;-) MG Careful with your suggestions. This doesn't work when somebody, such MG as me, has '%TO=""%TO="TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"' in his/her MG reply template. Why would you have such a macro in your reply template? I failt to see the reason. I guess to have TBUDL appear in the To: column instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]? The next thing is that Ctrl-F4 *does* work as it should with that macro in the reply template. I just tried it. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ "Freedom defined is freedom denied." -The Illuminatus ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:02:07 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [..snip..] SL No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't view SL message) window. Latest on this (and closing statement): I've found this virutal folder, I *love* it, and have no idea how I ever lived without out it. Bye-bye preview pane. :-) Welcome Thomas. Believe me, you'll find more joy in using the View Folder method of going through mail. The preview pane seems to cause more problems than good. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ (A)bort, (R)etry, (S)elf-destruct? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
