Re[2]: F4 does not automatically include quoted message

2000-10-13 Thread Oleg Zalyalov

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, October 13, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to A . Curtis Martin on TBUDL about
F4 does not automatically include quoted message:

TF What is "reply with full quotes", I mean the keyboard equivalent of
TF clicking on the reply icon?
Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-Enter.

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Re: IMAP folders do not appear!

2000-10-13 Thread rob

hi Thomas,

 I don't believe you do that by hand... press F2, try it. g 

as far as i can see, F2 and ctrl-F2 do exactly the same ...
but the only way to download only the messages you really want is to mark/unmark the
'Receive' option, by hand ...

 As long as you have marked "leave messages on server" under Account / Mail
 Management, of course.

i have that option marked too.

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Re: IMAP folders do not appear!

2000-10-13 Thread rob

hi Mark,

 Are you using IMAP or POP3?  With IMAP there is need to select 'Leave
 messages on server' as IMAP keeps all messages on the server in their
 designated mail folders.

i'm using POP3 for mail accounts with various providers and IMAP (Intrastore Server by
Syntegra - formerly Control Data) at work.
if you do not specify 'leave on server' TB will delete them, believe me g
 
 The log file lacks such details.

what kind of detail do you want ?? IMAP protocol commands ?

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Re: IMAP folders do not appear!

2000-10-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi rob,

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:54:04 GMTGMT (13/10/2000, 16:54 +0800GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't believe you do that by hand... press F2, try it. g 

rgdn as far as i can see, F2 and ctrl-F2 do exactly the same ...

AFAIK: F2: check mail for this account, Alt-F2: check mail for all
accounts. Don't know what crtl-F2 does.

rgdn but the only way to download only the messages you really want is to mark/unmark 
the
rgdn 'Receive' option, by hand ...

That is correct; I assumed you wanted to download all "new" messages
and then delete in TB if unwanted. That's what I do, to save precious
(i.e. expensive) download time.

If you have other criteria which message to download or not, check
whether the Selective Download Filters can help you.

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Re[2]: Add a RFC-822 headers to all messages

2000-10-13 Thread Sirul

Hola Andrey,

El viernes, 13 de octubre de 2000 me contabas...


JT You want to add one specific header? Then the answer is no, not
JT currently in TB. You may only add a 'Comment' header using the macro
JT %comment="something" or [View menu - Comments].

S It's  one  specific, exactly Errors-To: because my mail server need it
S to send back messages that don't arrive.

AGSAA AFAIR if this header isn't present the mail server should send every
AGSAA undeliverable message back to the originator. The originator's address
AGSAA must be taken from the From: or Sender: fields.

Yes,  It  "should"  do  it,  but I didn't explained it completely, the
whole history is that I need all the bad messages in the LAN that uses
this  mail  server  to  be returned to one specific e-mail. Anyway the
server  (Argosoft)  don't  return  any  message  if  this header isn't
present.




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Re: Kill Dupes - and what else possibly?

2000-10-13 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Januk,

On 13 October 2000 at 20:52:58 GMT -0700 (which was 04:52 where I
live) Januk Aggarwal wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Kill Dupes - and what else possibly?":

JA I just want to clarify one point:

 Your message, for
 instance, had the ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is
JA^^ ^^
JARandom MMDDHHSS
JANumber

I thank you. I wasn't sure about it. I do have the formula for this
somewhere in the archives but, as Curtis pointed out, I was "burning
them candles" somewhat and couldn't be bothered to go on a hunt.
Anyway - point proved admirably ;-).

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Re: F4 does not automatically include quoted message

2000-10-13 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Thomas,

On 13 October 2000 at 13:39:53 GMT +0800 (which was 06:39 where I
live) Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points on the subject
of "F4 does not automatically include quoted message":

TF Oops... now I know why some of my postings never arrived at the
TF list blush.

TF What is "reply with full quotes", I mean the keyboard equivalent of
TF clicking on the reply icon?

Ctrl-F5 (if in doubt - check the menus).

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2000-10-13 Thread Eitzinger David

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Re[2]: F4 does not automatically include quoted message

2000-10-13 Thread Juergen Frisch

Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,

   on Friday, October 13, 2000, 11:52, you wrote:

TF What is "reply with full quotes", I mean the keyboard equivalent of
TF clicking on the reply icon?

 Ctrl-F5 (if in doubt - check the menus).
   
   Yes, it is - an [ctrl]+[Enter].

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread Krister Ekstrom

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Hi!

on Thursday, October 12, 2000 23:02:18, our bat friend Januk Aggarwal typed:


JA I guess it depends on how sticky you want to be.  Of course you could
JA also specify a maximum number of errors.  Supposing you want a maximum
JA of 4 mistakes between each of the keywords, the regexp becomes:

JA ^Subject.\s*send.{0,4}pgp.{0,4}keys

Erm, stupid question of the week: Why the {0,4}?




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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread Krister Ekstrom

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Hi!
First of all let me comment one thing. When you sent the pgp key
request, it triggered the filter fine, however, when Dierk did, and
when another user on another list did the same thing, it didn't
trigger. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that there was text in
the replies that didn't trigger the filter... Nah, i dunno and now to
your other questions.

on Thursday, October 12, 2000 15:10:01, our bat friend A . Curtis Martin typed:

KE %SUBJECT=""
ACM ^^^
ACM You don't need this line to completely change the
ACM subject.

Ok, just an extra precaution.

ACM Did you change the position of the key request filter in the filter rule
ACM listing either manually or indirectly by adding other filters?

Hmm, so i did. I added an antispam filter which became the last one in
the list. That's the place for an antispam filter to be, right?

ACM Also check if you inadvertently changed other settings. Is the 'manual
ACM only' switch enabled? Is the 'active' switch disabled?

No to both questions.





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Re[2]: Multiple E-Mail Addresses

2000-10-13 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Friday, October 13, 2000

VDE is there any way to choose a sender address when creating a new
VDE message?

MDP Use the View menu in the editor window to expose the From and Reply-To
MDP headers and pick from the drop-downs there. These may be empty on
MDP first usage, but will added to every time you enter a different
MDP address.

Could this by any chance be done while creating a new message?

Cheers,

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread Krister Ekstrom

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Hi!

on Thursday, October 12, 2000 18:13:58, our bat friend Gerd Ewald typed:


GE Sorry Krister, no help but a question. I have the same template-filter
GE configuration for auto-reply. I realized you use %SIGNCOMPLETE for signing the
GE auto-reply.

GE Does this work ?? Everything works fine here, but I'm never asked to enter my
GE passphrase for signing although all checkboxes are ticked the way they should.

GE What do you do that I don't think of ?

Heck i don't know! I just figured that it worked. I don't get those
passphraze boxes either, now that you say it... I cache my decrypt and
signing passphrases for an hour but... No, i don't know what i do, and
now when you say it, i don't really know if it works... Have to check
this out...




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Re: F4 does not automatically include quoted message

2000-10-13 Thread Krister Ekstrom

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Hi!

on Thursday, October 12, 2000 22:10:35, our bat friend A . Curtis Martin typed:


ACM CTRLF4 means reply to original sender.
ACM F4 means reply quoting only selected text.
ACM ShiftF4 means reply without quotation.

And here comes an interesting bug/feature?... When you hit shift+f4
(reply without quoting), the reply template complete with "on x,y you
said" or whatever and the list from which you can select quoted
material are visible and what's more, you can quote from it and
put it in the edit message window.
Bottomline, either the function is practically useless or i've done
something stupid again.:-)




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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:52:00 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

JA I guess it depends on how sticky you want to be.  Of course you could
JA also specify a maximum number of errors.  Supposing you want a maximum
JA of 4 mistakes between each of the keywords, the regexp becomes:

JA ^Subject.\s*send.{0,4}pgp.{0,4}keys

KE Erm, stupid question of the week: Why the {0,4}?

It means that there should be a minumum of 0 but no more than 4 of the
characters immediately preceding the quantifier, in this case, '.' which
means any character except a new line.

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Re: F4 does not automatically include quoted message

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:12:44 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

ACM CTRLF4 means reply to original sender.
ACM F4 means reply quoting only selected text.
ACM ShiftF4 means reply without quotation.

KE And here comes an interesting bug/feature?... When you hit shift+f4
KE (reply without quoting), the reply template complete with "on x,y
KE you said"

Yes, the reply template is generated. The reply template is not a
quotation. :-)

KE or whatever and the list from which you can select quoted material
KE are visible

Are you referring to Original Text view pane, that can be closed using
the menu's View - Original Text toggle switch. That again has nothing
to do with whether or not you're quoting the message.

KE and what's more, you can quote from it and put it in the edit
KE message window. Bottomline, either the function is practically
KE useless or i've done something stupid again.:-)

I, personally, find it useless since hitting F4 without selecting any
text achieves the same thing. If you're in the habit of selecting text
from your message bodies for purposes other than quoting then it may
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Re[3]: Multiple E-Mail Addresses

2000-10-13 Thread Juergen Frisch

Hello Vincent - D. Ertner,

   on Friday, October 13, 2000, 16:04, you wrote:

MDP Use the View menu in the editor window to expose the From and Reply-To
MDP headers and pick from the drop-downs there. These may be empty on
MDP first usage, but will added to every time you enter a different
MDP address.

 Could this by any chance be done while creating a new message?

   Try it...

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Exclamations instead of graphics!

2000-10-13 Thread Bob Johnson

Hi TBUDL,

 My Bat (1.46d) displays html graphics as exclamation marks!  What
 should I change to have the graphics displayed.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:27 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

  snip
ACM Did you change the position of the key request filter in the filter rule
ACM listing either manually or indirectly by adding other filters?

KE Hmm, so i did. I added an antispam filter which became the last one
KE in the list. That's the place for an antispam filter to be, right?

Not really. If the antispam filter is placed there to delete spam as
they come in, then one of the earlier filters could match the spam
message and prevent its deletion. It could stay there provided that the
preceding filters are precise in what they're supposed to filter.

Spam filters are usually placed at the top.

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Re: Exclamations instead of graphics!

2000-10-13 Thread Nick Danger

In Reference to "Exclamations instead of graphics!" From Bob Johnson: "

B What should I change to have the graphics displayed.

MUA's.

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Default Email

2000-10-13 Thread Michael S. Greenbaum

Each morning when I boot up and begin TB, I get a message telling me
that TB is not my default email server and asking me if I want to make
it so.  I dutifully click yes, but each time I restart TB, the message
is there.

I know I can get the message to disappear by clicking the little box
saying do not make this check in the future, but I'd like to know that
TB is my default program for creating emails before I do.

I have not yet registered the program.  Is that the reason for this
message?  I do get another message telling me how long I have to go.

Or this there another way to make this little box disappear?

Thanks.

Mike Greenbaum
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Re: Exclamations instead of graphics!

2000-10-13 Thread Ming-Li

On Friday, October 13, 2000, 7:34:59 AM, Bob wrote:

  My Bat (1.46d) displays html graphics as exclamation marks!  What
  should I change to have the graphics displayed.

Graphics in html mail are not displayed if they're not embedded in
the message as attachments. I.e., TB would ignore the html codes
ordering it to retrieve graphics (or other stuff) on the Internet.
It's done this way out of security and privacy concerns (e.g.,
spammers can use graphics fetching to trace your activities).
Currently the only way to see those graphics is to launch the
message in your browser.

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Re: Default Email

2000-10-13 Thread Ming-Li

On Friday, October 13, 2000, 8:15:00 AM, Michael wrote:

 Each morning when I boot up and begin TB, I get a message telling
 me that TB is not my default email server and asking me if I want
 to make it so.  I dutifully click yes, but each time I restart TB,
 the message is there.

Do you also run other email programs? Many email programs would
check and make themselves the default emailer, and some do that
silently.

 I have not yet registered the program.  Is that the reason for
 this message?

I don't think that's relevant.

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Re[2]: Kill Dupes - and what else possibly?

2000-10-13 Thread David Robert Austen

Hello, Marck,


Thanks very much for this.  Puts my mind at ease.


David


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MDP Hi David,

MDP On 13 October 2000 at 22:22:58 GMT -0500 (which was 04:22 where I
MDP live) David Robert Austen wrote and made these points on the
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Re[2]: Default Email

2000-10-13 Thread Michael S. Greenbaum


 On Friday, October 13, 2000, 8:15:00 AM, Michael wrote:

 Each morning when I boot up and begin TB, I get a message telling
 me that TB is not my default email server and asking me if I want
 to make it so.  I dutifully click yes, but each time I restart TB,
 the message is there.

 Do you also run other email programs? Many email programs would
 check and make themselves the default emailer, and some do that
 silently.

I do have Eudora on my computer, but I've set all the accounts so that
they do not get mail. I don't even open it up very often except to
copy something from it to TB. Could just opening Eudora, without
getting mail, cause it to re-set itself as the default mail program?

Mike



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Re[2]: Kill Dupes - and what else possibly?

2000-10-13 Thread David Robert Austen


Thank-you all: Januck, Marck, A. Curtis.


David Austen




JA Hello Marck,

JA On  Thursday, October 12, 2000  at  04:35:51 GMT +0100 (which was 8:35 PM
JA where I live) witnesses say Marck D. Pearlstone typed:

JA I just want to clarify one point:

 Your message, for
 instance, had the ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is
JA^^ ^^
JARandom MMDDHHSS
JANumber

JA So the messageID is generated with a large random number then the time
JA stamp from your computer to 1/100th of a second.  I'm sure you can't
JA send messages that quick to get duplicates.  Plus with the random
JA number, the chances are *very* slim.



David Robert Austen



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Re: Default Email

2000-10-13 Thread Ming-Li

On Friday, October 13, 2000, 9:07:55 AM, Michael wrote:

 I do have Eudora on my computer, but I've set all the accounts so
 that they do not get mail. I don't even open it up very often
 except to copy something from it to TB. Could just opening Eudora,
 without getting mail, cause it to re-set itself as the default
 mail program?

It's possible, though I have no particular knowledge about Eudora;
haven't used it for a long, long time. Programs that do such check
would do it whenever it's launched, regardless whether you ask it to
check email or not. Try to see if Eudora allows you to disable it.

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Re[2]: Default Email Problem Solved

2000-10-13 Thread Michael S. Greenbaum

Ming-Li:

Your suggestion was absolutely on the mark.  Eudora does make itself
the default mailer--even if one doesn't check for mail.

I closed TB and reopened it with no message about the default email
program.

I then closed TB, opened Eudora--did nothing in it, closed it again,
and reopened TB.  The default email message appeared!

I went into Eudora's settings and told it to let me know if it was not
the default email program.  Now, when I open Eudora, IT asks me the
question instead of TB, and I can reply no, keeping TB as my default
and not getting the message in TB.

Thanks very much for your suggestion.


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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Krister!

On Friday, October 13, 2000 at 2:18:27 PM you wrote:


 First of all let me comment one thing. When you sent the pgp key
 request, it triggered the filter fine, however, when Dierk did, and
 when another user on another list did the same thing, it didn't
 trigger. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that there was text in
 the replies that didn't trigger the filter... Nah, i dunno and now to
 your other questions.

OK,  I  help  you  out  by sending another request *without* text in the
body. See if it does what it should.

And  I  found  something  funny  doing  it:  I deleted everything in the
message  body and tried to put the message into the Outbox. Well, as you
can  infer,  I usually sign my messages automatically with PGP. Now, the
empty  message  did  not  go  into  the Outbox. PGP did sign it, when I
entered  a  random letter. So I disabled "Sign message ...", and I could
send it.

Did  I find a bug in TB! or PGP? Or am I just stupidly missing something
vital to signing with PGP?

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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

2000-10-13 Thread JMReichow

Friday, October 13, 2000, 10:01:24 AM, scriptur:


 (#2000-414) - Topics This Issue:
...
 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:40:13 -0700
 From: Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Multi-user environment
(was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

I read that thread and Januk's test report with much interest (as I am
one  of  the multi-account users who went through mishaps like locking
themselves  out of TB by external file manipulation - and, admittedly,
by saving a password ending with a " " i.e. a space :-)

JA 1.  I  made my main account and my dummy account both user level
JA accounts.  2. When I fire up TB, I get a login box asking for my
JA username.
...
 Since  I  easily  remembered  the  story  of a new user changing an
 account  to user and not being able to logon, I did some reading of
 the documentation.

 I guess you missed my post explaining how to get out of that one. :)
 TB will not allow you to make all accounts user accounts by either
 deletions or otherwise (*from within TB*).
...
 Unfortunately, *again*, the documentation is poor and I
 had to do the usual experimenting (not safe in this particular
 instance).

 Actually it is safe *now*, but that's not very comforting for long
 time users.

One addition to Januk's multi-account report:

No Multiple Language Settings !!!
I  was gonna say the language settings, paradoxically enough, can only
be  applied  _globally_  (!) - and this means whoever (of the multiple
users) changes the settings changes them for the next one who will log
in,  even  if into another account. It does not seem to matter whether
you  have administrator or user rights, _but_ (what I only learnt now,
while checking again) the administrator can very well, under Options |
NetworkAdministration  | Privileges disable the individual users'
Options Menu in general.  (The good thing, in case the Options Menu is
not  toggled, is that you can at least change Language Settings on the
fly  -  as long as you remember where in the column you will find back
your  language  before trying something really exotic... [ Yes, I'm as
well extending my own list of stupid mistakes ]).

I'd  put  individual  Language  Settings  for  individual  users on my
wish-list.

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Re: Default Email

2000-10-13 Thread Graham

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:07:55 -0700
"Michael S. Greenbaum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Michael I do have Eudora on my computer, but I've set all the accounts so that
Michael they do not get mail. I don't even open it up very often except to
Michael copy something from it to TB. Could just opening Eudora, without
Michael getting mail, cause it to re-set itself as the default mail program?

Yes, i believe it does.  Eudora is also spyware in Lite, Sponsored AND paid
modes.  And it doesn't handle PGP in a standard way.

I'd delete Eudora and find out if its the problem

Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:29:04 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote:

 First of all let me comment one thing. When you sent the pgp key
 request, it triggered the filter fine, however, when Dierk did, and
 when another user on another list did the same thing, it didn't
 trigger. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that there was text in
 the replies that didn't trigger the filter... Nah, i dunno and now to
 your other questions.

DH OK, I help you out by sending another request *without* text in the
DH body. See if it does what it should.

The request that I sent and which triggered Krister's filter had text in
it. Krister, does your filter have other string match requirements in it
aside from the subject string match?

DH And I found something funny doing it: I deleted everything in the
DH message body and tried to put the message into the Outbox. Well, as
DH you can infer, I usually sign my messages automatically with PGP.
DH Now, the empty message did not go into the Outbox. PGP did sign it,
DH when I entered a random letter. So I disabled "Sign message ...",
DH and I could send it.

That behaviour is confirmed here as well.

DH Did I find a bug in TB! or PGP? Or am I just stupidly missing
DH something vital to signing with PGP?

Looks like PGP will not signed a message with nothing in the message
body.

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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:40:13 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA You might consider checking out the /Focus command line parameter.
JA I'm not sure if you can use it to log into groups.

Yeah, I created a user group for the two accounts I wish to see and
called it Allie.

For my TB! shortcut I edited the target path to:
"L:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /FocusU="Allie""

It now starts without having to logon. I also created a shortcut to open
TB! in admin mode.

JA I guess you missed my post explaining how to get out of that one. :)

Actually I didn't but there was more to it. Creating the user accounts
wasn't clear. I still had to be experimenting.

JA TB will not allow you to make all accounts user accounts by either
JA deletions or otherwise (*from within TB*).

So I've come to notice.

JA The menus are not as nice in the group mode.  The separators and the
JA groupings seem to have been omitted.  Cosmetic bug?

The menu separators are still here for me.

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OT: Hamburgians abroad (was: Templates Help)

2000-10-13 Thread Britta

 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:23:18 +0200
 From: Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Thomas]
 And while we didn't have PC's at
 school as they hadn't been invented yet, we did have computer classes
 on a mainframe, being the first school in Hamburg to offer computer
 classes...
 

 PS:  Thomas,  we  seem  to  be from the same town, but I am still living
 here  in one of Germany's most beautiful cities - Hamburg. Could be that
 I  move  in  about  one or two years, exploring the Wild, Wild East - in
 another beautiful place (Leipzig).

This list seems to be a collection point for Hamburg-ers :)
Yep, me too :)

BTW - this 'two-spaces' thing is curious ... I have encountered it in
both the US and the UK, but it doesn't seem to be a consistent practice.
Nowadays, it is definitely considered 'bad form'; I suspect it's only
the odd typing teacher who picked up this habit (and grew too fond of
it) some time ago, who still passes it on as gospel ...

Regards,
Britta
who grew up in Hamburg but now lives in NZ
 
 
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread Britta

 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:29 -0400
 From: Mark Knipfer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character "" to
 appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

  and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
 will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
line spaces* for me, by default.

Regards,

 
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Something a little off the wall.

2000-10-13 Thread Nick Danger

 Here's something someone wacky as myself might find handy

In trying to find a way to use the quoting prefix in a particular way
for a couple of my customers, but without having to make a bunch of
special reply templates I fell across this combo:

%QUOTESTYLE="=%CLIPBOARD"

Quite handy to swipe the customer's first name, or business
abbreviation, or other special designation you might want to use and
then let the reply rip.

Not for everyone that's for sure, but it works quite nicely for my
particular nitch I was trying to fill.  To "cancel" it out I either
give the clipboard a quick clear, or CP a blank space for a fast
little one space indent.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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B   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
 will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B line spaces* for me, by default.

So am I. Note the lack of a quote prefix between the two paragraphs
above.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Britta,

On 13 October 2000 at 09:25:40 GMT +1300 (which was 21:25 where I
live) Britta wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

 In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character "" to
 appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

B   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it
 will will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B line spaces* for me, by default.

Yes, but the lines in-between the paragraphs are left blank with no
quotation prefix. That is the issue here.

Q: Is your email address anything to do with Mr Terry Pratchett?

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi A,

On 13 October 2000 at 16:23:44 GMT  -0500 (which was 22:23 where I
live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

ACM On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:40 +1300, Britta wrote:

B   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
 will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B line spaces* for me, by default.

ACM So am I. Note the lack of a quote prefix between the two paragraphs
ACM above.

Got it! Of course TB can't (at this stage) quote the blank lines.
Whose are they really? Were they in the immediate message to which
this reply is address or from the previous level and another client
has failed to quote them.

Quoting blank lines can end up misleading in mutli-level replies. I
have seen many Eudora quoted messages that, frankly, just look a mess.
And that's *nothing* compared to what OE will do if you let it! g

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Re[2]: Another question on filters and templates

2000-10-13 Thread Graham

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On 13/10/2000 at 18:50, A. Curtis Martin wrote:


A. Looks like PGP will not signed a message with nothing in the message
A. body.

Allie, that's how I always understood it.  I believe PGP 2.6.3 viewed
a blank message as one with at least one space in it (though I'm
willing to be corrected here) so it signed blank messages.  But from
PGP 5.x, NAI changed this.  Its something I hadn't thought of when
considering this problem.

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Re: 1.46d IMAP question, where do I specify the mail path?

2000-10-13 Thread Britta

 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:19:53 -0400
 From: Mark Knipfer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: IMAP folders do not appear!
 
 I checked my IMAP e-mail account in TheBat! 1.46d.  TheBat found my IMAP
 mail folders:
 
  /home/username/mail/*
 

Mark - how did you find that out?
I would like to check myself *where* exactly the location of my IMAP
inbox is on my server - it should be the path you quoted, but I can't
find it there. Where/how can I trace this?

Regards,
 
 
   Saturday, 14 October 2000  09:16
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Re: 1.46d IMAP question, where do I specify the mail path?

2000-10-13 Thread Mark Knipfer

Britta wrote:
 
 Mark - how did you find that out?
 I would like to check myself *where* exactly the location of my IMAP
 inbox is on my server - it should be the path you quoted, but I can't
 find it there. Where/how can I trace this?

When you press F2 to check e-mail on the server, click Details in the
window and watch the details in the window scroll down.

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Re: Default Email

2000-10-13 Thread Karin Spaink

On 13-10-2000 at 19:13, Graham kindly wrote:
 "Michael S. Greenbaum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Michael I do have Eudora on my computer, but I've set all
Michael the accounts so that they do not get mail. I don't
Michael even open it up very often except to copy
Michael something from it to TB. Could just opening
Michael Eudora, without getting mail, cause it to re-set
Michael itself as the default mail program?

 Yes, i believe it does.

Nope, it doesn't. The moment you've set up TB to be your
default mailer, Eudora stops asking. I still have Eudora and
use it to access old e-mail, but it doesn't take over after
I've used it.



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