Re: template adressbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On 29 Dec 2001 at 21:23:04 -0500, Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote concerning 'template adressbook': ACM Your signature verified as bad again when tested with TB!'s fixed ACM width font viewer. Over here his signature verifies valid with TB! fixed with font viewer and with the RTF viewer. - -- Best regards, David ** Why doesn't DOS ever say Excellent command or filename! ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC2PGVK9yf5+yp9NEQIIjACfe7agisNnPymfYIQpAeIinMo/OeEAn3nx cy5QGZp5LdHV1QBOQe0+YeP2 =UF0Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: template adressbook
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 04:09:29 +0100, Luc [L] graced us with these comments: ... L Strange, nothing changed since the last time you checked :-( L Is this better now ? It's better now. Signature made 12/28/01 21:09:17 using DSA key ID 85840713 Good signature from Luc Knaepkens [EMAIL PROTECTED] A good thing to do is to construct your signature in an editor that gives you the column and line position of your cursor. In this way you don't exceed the character limit per line for your signature. You can also output your signatures and see what they look like in terms of line length before using them. -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: template adressbook
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:38:29 +0100, David Van Zuijlekom [DVZ] wrote these comments: ... DVZ Over here his signature verifies valid with TB! fixed with font DVZ viewer and with the RTF viewer. It may verify for some while it will not verify for others. The problem here is that some of his signature lines were long. In the message in question, three lines in his signature were 103 characters long, while another was 143 characters long. If you have auto-wrap toggled on in the editor settings, the fixed width viewer will window wrap lines that exceed its window width. My preview window width, at its present size, will accommodate lines with up to 100 characters without wrapping. Since his tagline was 143 characters, it window wrapped and the signature was broken. Window wrapping in the fixed width viewer equals the insertion of hard returns at each window wrap point, and this breaks the signature when checked with PGP Tray or GnuPG Shell. If you copy and paste the text to another window, you'll see what I mean. The window wrapping that TB! did is preserved. OTOH, the RTFV does soft wrapping like most other viewers. Checking with PGP Tray or GPG Shell therefore gives a good signature. After all I've written, if you check the signature using the PGP Plugin, then the check will show up a good signature, no matter whether or not you're using the RTFV or FWFV. I assume you did the signature check using the PGP plug-in? I was doing the checks with GPG Shell. -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
PGP Public Key
Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Hi All, I'm trying to get my head around PGP. I'm using the internal version of OpenPGP. So far, I've managed to generate a key pair and I can sign messages. However, I can't find any way to provide my public key so that others can verify my signature or send encrypted messages to me. Help! TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP Public Key
@ 12:33:48 + [ Sat, 29 Dec 2001], Geoff Lane [GL] wrote these words of wisdom: ... GL I'm trying to get my head around PGP. I'm using the internal GL version of OpenPGP. So far, I've managed to generate a key pair GL and I can sign messages. However, I can't find any way to provide GL my public key so that others can verify my signature or send GL encrypted messages to me. You have to open the Open PGP Key manager and from their export your public key to a file. You then have to visit one of the public key servers and upload it there. I'd advise you not to use the internal PGP implementation. It's a very early version of PGP, i.e., v2.6 and it therefore doesn't support a lot of what the later versions have to offer, the most important thing being the new key types, i.e., DH/DSS keys that so many of us use. You would therefore not be able to use our keys. I suggest downloading PGP 6.5.8 or a later version. The later versions, i.e., v7.x.x don't have TB! plugin support but you can still use them via PGP Tray, a shell tool that comes with all these later GUI based versions of PGP. PGP6.5.8ckt would be a good choice since it has TB! plugin support, and it has enhancements that offers you some of the later version functionality. You can get it at http://www.ipgpp.com/ . -- ©Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home Ed. PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hey fellow BAT users. :) I have a question conerning the word wrapping. Is it normal, that the BAT cannot wrap correctly? Whenever I paste a text, it just keeps on going towards a few meters outside the right side of my monitor - why can it not wrap it? I was told by one of the programmers, that I would have to use some keyboard combination, but that doesn't work out correctly all the time, since I sometimes have certain formatted texts, that lose all their formatting once I do that. Any help on this? Is it THAT hard to create an editor that wraps correctly? Thank you, Sebastian. :) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: template adressbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On 29 Dec 2001 at 07:00:53 -0500, Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote concerning 'template adressbook': ... ACM After all I've written, if you check the signature using the PGP ACM Plugin, then the check will show up a good signature, no matter ACM whether or not you're using the RTFV or FWFV. I assume you did ACM the signature check using the PGP plug-in? I was doing the checks ACM with GPG Shell. Yes I was using the PGP plug-in and I was reading the message in folder view with maximised view. So TB! didn't wrap the long lines and all the signatures came out as valid. I almost never use the preview window to read messages, so I never encounter that problem. - -- Best regards, David ** Microsoft: The company that made eMail dangerous. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC2ynFK9yf5+yp9NEQL+KwCg+K7x/A6D0IbUcYEa0b0vM0lEbegAoMyc nct3F2LM8pXXJNeMI/D0Lvrl =A494 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sebastian, On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:09:53 +0100, Sebastian [S] wrote concerning 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': ... S Any help on this? Select the lines you want to wrap and press Alt+L. - -- Best regards, David ** (BorgDOS 1.0) C:\Session complete. Assimilate another? Y/N ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC2zpFK9yf5+yp9NEQLAjgCg3pdBaOZcpYXLR0+HdJH6LtrOw78An0vq 3w4cm9yIa0Z6l7T0b1hg3Zmh =37Gn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello David, Saturday, December 29, 2001, 02:14:22 PM, you wrote: DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- DvZ Hash: SHA1 DvZ Hello Sebastian, DvZ On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:09:53 +0100, Sebastian [S] wrote concerning DvZ 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': DvZ ... S Any help on this? DvZ Select the lines you want to wrap and press Alt+L. DvZ - -- DvZ Best regards, DvZ David If I do that though, it just destroys my format. Say I have one line with a header, then two spaces, then a text, and after 2 more spaces a footer - I would have to select 3 times and do alt-l - come on, it's almost 2002, is that all that is possible? Thank you for your help, Sebastian. :) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello David, On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:14:22 +0100, David van Zuijlekom [DVZ] wrote concerning 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': S Any help on this? DvZ Select the lines you want to wrap and press Alt+L. Or press CTRL+Shift+Ins (paste formatted). - -- Best regards, David ** Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC21PlK9yf5+yp9NEQIKugCgjaEfi5/8BXcQQ2h3AMN1ldxTjdYAoPrl WxRw4Scd0PN6fcLI77ntIZvS =0jV4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello David, Saturday, December 29, 2001, 02:21:14 PM, you wrote: DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- DvZ Hash: SHA1 DvZ Hello David, DvZ On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:14:22 +0100, David van Zuijlekom [DVZ] wrote DvZ concerning 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': S Any help on this? DvZ Select the lines you want to wrap and press Alt+L. DvZ Or press CTRL+Shift+Ins (paste formatted). DvZ - -- DvZ Best regards, DvZ David Thanks David - this works! BUT: what's the reason behind this non-feature? Sebastian. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: template adressbook
@ 14:09:58 +0100 [ Sat, 29 Dec 2001], David Van Zuijlekom [DVZ]
contributed this to our collective wisdom:
...
DVZ I almost never use the preview window to read messages, so I never
DVZ encounter that problem.
You don't have to use the preview window to encounter the problem.
It's the maximize view that's saving you. Even if you didn't maximize
and window wrapping occurred, you'd still be immune to the problem
since you use the plugin. Unfortunately, the PGP 7.x.x users and PGP
Tray lovers will run into the problem if the window wrapping is there.
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Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sebastian, On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:19:27 +0100, Sebastian [S] wrote concerning 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': ... S If I do that though, it just destroys my format. Say I have one S line with a header, then two spaces, then a text, and after 2 more S spaces a footer - I would have to select 3 times and do alt-l - S come on, it's almost 2002, is that all that is possible? That's TB! and I like it. Unlike OL/OE it is WYSIWYG and you have full control over how you want to format your message. - -- Best regards, David ** You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC23SFK9yf5+yp9NEQL+PgCfXh+i2N0jFE3812QWv87u19przBoAni0Z FXilxHOvoxeOGJAy0iHCCzoS =CqFn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hi Sebastian, On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:19:27 [GMT +0100], you wrote: S If I do that though, it just destroys my format. Say I have one line S with a header, then two spaces, then a text, and after 2 more spaces S a footer - I would have to select 3 times and do alt-l - come on, S it's almost 2002, is that all that is possible? You sound as if you think this is a mistake or incompetence. Let me assure you, it is not; it is a design decision. TB!'s editor is a WYSIWYG editor, in the true sense of the word. You get exactly what you see. If you paste one long line, without hard returns, from another program, it is one long line, nothing more. Or in other words, it's one paragraph. So if you hit ALT-L, TB! reflows the text, so no line is longer than the limit set in the editor preferences. But still it remains one paragraph. What would you expect a program to do with one long line? Read your mind and split it into different paragraphs? Sorry, but I don't know of a program that can do this. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello David, Saturday, December 29, 2001, 02:29:56 PM, you wrote: DvZ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- DvZ Hash: SHA1 DvZ Hello Sebastian, DvZ On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:19:27 +0100, Sebastian [S] wrote concerning DvZ 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': DvZ ... S If I do that though, it just destroys my format. Say I have one S line with a header, then two spaces, then a text, and after 2 more S spaces a footer - I would have to select 3 times and do alt-l - S come on, it's almost 2002, is that all that is possible? DvZ That's TB! and I like it. Unlike OL/OE it is WYSIWYG and you have full DvZ control over how you want to format your message. DvZ - -- DvZ Best regards, DvZ David Not trying to start arguing but: how is it WYSIWYG when you paste something and it doesn't wrap it automatically? The recipient is not gonna get it like that - he will have it wrapped, so, I don't think this is a helpful control... . Sebastian. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:25:02 +0100, Sebastian [S] graced us with these
comments:
...
S Thanks David - this works!
S BUT: what's the reason behind this non-feature?
A very long story.
It's a give and take thing.
There are features in TB!'s editor that you will not find elsewhere.
Lack of soft window wrapping is a side effect to make these features
possible.
Most editors don't really reformat the text when you paste it. They soft
wrap or virtually wrap it. When TB!'s editor wraps the text, it's
reformatted on the fly.
To illustrate my point, take the same block of text that TB!'s editor
pasted as a long string of text, and paste it in your system text
editor. Now toggle the editor's wrap function on and off. Note that
the text displays as a long string of text when the wrapping is
toggled off. With the wrap function enabled, copy the text from it and
into another editor instance with the wrap toggled off. The text
should appear as a long string of text.
Try the same with TB!'s editor, i.e., paste the text in using
Shift+Ctrl+Ins. This will wrap the text. Now copy and paste this text
into your system text editor and toggle the wrap function on and off.
Note that the text remains wrapped.
This is why I agree with the implementation, that if you wish TB!'s
editor to reformat/reflow the pasted text, that you do this yourself
rather than it be implemented as a default feature.
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Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sebastian, On 29 December 2001 at 14:09:53 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:09 where I live) Sebastian wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: S Is it normal, that the BAT cannot wrap correctly? Whenever I paste S a text, it just keeps on going towards a few meters outside the S right side of my monitor - why can it not wrap it? Because it is not supposed to unless you use Paste formatted (Shift-Ctrl-Ins). This is by design. S I was told by one of the programmers, that I would have to use some S keyboard combination, but that doesn't work out correctly all the S time, since I sometimes have certain formatted texts, that lose all S their formatting once I do that. That's why it's not supposed to reformat when pasting normally. S Any help on this? Is it THAT hard to create an editor that wraps S correctly? Clearly you are asking for the impossible here :-). If reforming the text loses the formatting, that's not what you want. If leaving the text as-is makes it the wrong format then it is not pre-formatted as you suggest. It sounds to me as though you have a mixture of formatted and unformatted text in the clipboard and are expecting TB's editor to guess which is which. You have to bear in mind that TB's editor is plain text. It has no concept of soft line breaks. To make a clear delineation between two paragraphs TB must see a clear blank line between them. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/20-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Lcf6OeQkq5KdzaARAn3vAJ46KQMrMClbA+ivvSAWB635/HavMACg5lKa AtdGhRgLdVz08fIC7b/246Y= =eJBp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hi Sebastian, [ With TB! ... ] S The recipient is not gonna get it like that - he will have it S wrapped, so, I don't think this is a helpful control... . Did you test that? Actually it is The Bat!'s wrapping in the _viewer_ that wraps the lines. Unfortunately you cannot switch word wrapping (in the viewer) on and off :-( You have to change the size of the window instead :-( (wrote a feature request earlier) -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/21) Business Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2, PGP 0xe2d25323 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Marck, Saturday, December 29, 2001, 02:41:12 PM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi Sebastian, MDP On 29 December 2001 at 14:09:53 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:09 where I MDP live) Sebastian wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these MDP points: S Is it normal, that the BAT cannot wrap correctly? Whenever I paste S a text, it just keeps on going towards a few meters outside the S right side of my monitor - why can it not wrap it? MDP Because it is not supposed to unless you use Paste formatted MDP (Shift-Ctrl-Ins). This is by design. S I was told by one of the programmers, that I would have to use some S keyboard combination, but that doesn't work out correctly all the S time, since I sometimes have certain formatted texts, that lose all S their formatting once I do that. MDP That's why it's not supposed to reformat when pasting normally. S Any help on this? Is it THAT hard to create an editor that wraps S correctly? MDP Clearly you are asking for the impossible here :-). MDP If reforming the text loses the formatting, that's not what you want. MDP If leaving the text as-is makes it the wrong format then it is not MDP pre-formatted as you suggest. MDP It sounds to me as though you have a mixture of formatted and MDP unformatted text in the clipboard and are expecting TB's editor to MDP guess which is which. MDP You have to bear in mind that TB's editor is plain text. It has no MDP concept of soft line breaks. To make a clear delineation between two MDP paragraphs TB must see a clear blank line between them. Alright, I understand and I guess I can agree to some extent. BUT: why for example do I get wrapping problems if I type text, then go back to a line and insert say 3 words - the whole line gets moved but NOT wrapped - is that supposed to be like that, and if so, why? Thank you, Sebastian. :) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sebastian, On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:34:24 +0100, Sebastian [S] wrote concerning 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': ... S Not trying to start arguing but: how is it WYSIWYG when you paste S something and it doesn't wrap it automatically? The recipient is S not gonna get it like that - he will have it wrapped, so, I don't S think this is a helpful control... . That's not true. Unlike OL/OE TB! doesn't wrap the text at sending a message. The message is send _exactly_ the way you created it. If the recipient doesn't have wrapping enabled he receives the message exactly the way it was send. - -- Best regards, David ** Computer Store: Out for a quick byte ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC29E1K9yf5+yp9NEQKFpACdFVdkdmJSZABlquBn80TopILkxSIAoJdJ Lj+0xr/pOu6tiWMq5BGI7Apm =zgxa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sebastian, On 29 December 2001 at 14:51:44 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:51 where I live) Sebastian wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: S Alright, I understand and I guess I can agree to some extent. BUT: S why for example do I get wrapping problems if I type text, then go S back to a line and insert say 3 words - the whole line gets moved S but NOT wrapped - is that supposed to be like that, and if so, why? It is an option of the editor preferences called Auto Format to re-wrap on-the-fly. You have to use it with care because of what I said previously about paragraphs. Two consecutive paragraphs will get wrapped together if there is no intervening blank line. You can use Ctrl-Shift-F to toggle auto-format on and off as you type. That's how I use it, turning it on when I need it and off for writing bullet point lists and the like. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/20-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Lc6xOeQkq5KdzaARAqrZAKCyoPAZjSei425YEnPR3QNsopO3fgCgpq/w 7XZIj+DiVBN4LbtrboXjp+A= =Jd4B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Small progress indicator?
Hello , I'm currently using The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal and wondered if it's still possible to get the small progress indicator as shown on.. http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/ss.gif rather than the connection center? TIA. -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 at 08:35 GMT -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Allie] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] re: 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...' in respose to Sebastion's comments: ,- [Sebastian wrote] | Is it normal, that the BAT cannot wrap correctly? Whenever I | paste a text, it just keeps on going towards a few meters | outside the right side of my monitor - why can it not wrap | it? [...] | | Any help on this? Is it THAT hard to create an editor that | wraps correctly? '- ,- [and later] | what's the reason behind this non-feature? '- Allie I agree with the implementation, that if you wish Allie TB!'s editor to reformat/reflow the pasted text, that Allie you do this yourself rather than it be implemented as Allie a default feature. IMHO, the fewer hard wired default features in a product the better. This allows everyone to do their own thing. But to avoid this being a total 'me, too' comment, take a look @ the recursive QTs that Januk Carsten created. The first one, written by Carsten, takes clipboard copy places it *as is* within the boxed format you see below. ,- [Example copied text w varying formats] | List item 1 | List item 2 | List item 3 | List item 4 | | List item 5 | | List item List item List item List item List item List item List item List item List |item List item List item List item List item List item List item '- The 2nd QT, written by Januk, takes clipboard content, wraps it across multiple paragraphs instead of 'forcing' :-) the user to use ALT-L or one of the varied keyboard combinations that, in gen'l, aren't really intuitive IMO. Lastly, linking the two QTs together as I've done (w lots of help) wraps clipboard text places it within the brackets as you see @ the top of this msg. (However, the TB! editor rule applies, i.e. a blank line must exist between paragraphs) So you see, everyone can have it their own way within TB!, IMO one of the hallmarks of the program it's programmers. The quoting process I describe is quite simple with the QT tools already in the archives if it is of interest to you, I will post it privately to you or on the list -- whichever is preferred by the moderators. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/18/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Small progress indicator?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Richard, On 29 Dec 2001 at 14:52:02 +, Richard Lane [RL] wrote concerning 'Small progress indicator?': RL I'm currently using The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal and wondered if RL it's still possible to get the small progress indicator as shown RL on.. http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/ss.gif rather than the RL connection center? No I'm afraid that's not possible. Unless you downgrade to version 1.51 or earlier. You don't like the connection centre? - -- Best regards, David ** Yeah I love work, I could sit and watch it all day... ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC3McFK9yf5+yp9NEQLKEwCg3MB11uk5R4eNNPllnU+DqnE4Gn4An1SN HG5eCjEyFKoN3CNtsK5C7Lg0 =bDlA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: template adressbook
Hello Luc. At 8:58 PM on Friday, December 28, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'template adressbook': Luc [...] It looks just fine on my laptop, but is this any Luc better for you? (wrap from 80 to 72) [...] Of course each to their own but I've got mine set @ 60 to accommodate those who want to use less monitor real estate. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/18/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Small progress indicator?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 29 Dec 2001 at 17:25:10 , Richard Lane wrote the following on the Small progress indicator? thread: RL I'm currently using The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal and wondered if it's still RL possible to get the small progress indicator as shown on.. RL http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/ss.gif rather than the connection center? Hmm, now who forgot to update the shots ?! :) Nope, sorry, but I think this one is better... - -- What I used to think was me is just a fading memory --NIN __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Member of the PGP-Basics, Encryption Help Team iD8DBQE8LeB78WBGNj3ut+0RAkpNAJkBFjRymI5hoKBvOIZ8IN/mQSB4dQCcC4+v eehWirTXHU9fildczH/XW3Q= =lSXd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Sebastian, S If I do that though, it just destroys my format. Say I have one S line with a header, then two spaces, then a text, and after 2 more S spaces a footer - I would have to select 3 times and do alt-l - S come on, it's almost 2002, is that all that is possible? Yes, that's what we get in 2002 with The Bat! Sad but true :-( The editor in TB is rather disatrous in many respects, but what some people, including myself, consider as poor design is generally seen as brillant by the members of this list, particularly those who like to design pretty little tables and indulge in useless ASCII art. Go figure... I am afraid we'll have to live with that weird editor until such time as TB's developpers are struck by common sense. Fortunately TB has many redeeming features is is overall the best e-mail client around (with Becky a close second). I use TB in spite of its editor, not because of it. Cheers, Rémi Pach --- Rémi Charles Pach Translation / Localization (English to French) Tel. / fax : +27 11 704 2266 E-fax (US) : +1 509 356-1214 E-fax (UK) : +44 (0) 870-124-4530 http://www.abc-translations.net --- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re:PGP Public Key
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 12:57:04 PM, Allie C Martin wrote: You have to open the Open PGP Key manager and from their export your public key to a file. You then have to visit one of the public key servers and upload it there. [remainder snipped] FWIW, I expanded the key and was trying to export the exportable part -- and the Key Manager wasn't obliging. However, selecting the whole key, then exporting works -- thanks. I've installed 6.5.8ckt - Build 06. However, there is a problem -- it can't find the key servers. I'm behind a firewall and I suspect that the required port is closed. At least, I'm getting socket is not connected errors, and I can access the outside world via http. From the list of servers, it looks as though the PGP servers use port 11371. Is this the LDAP port? Could this be why I can't access the LDAP servers in the TB Address Book? -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: template adressbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Itwasforetoldthat on 29/12/2001 @ 22:00:58 GMT-0800 (which was 7:00 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and spread these wise comments on template adressbook: That has to be a system specific problem for you. You are the only one I've ever heard of having that kind of problem. Stange, if i do a diagnostic my system comes out clean. One thing I would do is turn off Options/Editor Preferences Justify on Wrap. Done that now, let's see if this is better. -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 = public key directly: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x85840713 = It is often said: Always put off tomorrow what you can do today, but if the toilet is out of order, I am not sure if that still holds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com Comment: Key ID 0x56E226B8 http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/ iQA/AwUBPC3fkUOsAqmFhAcTEQI6EACg1jXehPd3fvVd6NGz0eJZhEfhFrcAnioC KzjcjqyOF8gGWC9iahOjyzby =uWRy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 3:53:46 PM, you wrote: RP Hello Sebastian, S If I do that though, it just destroys my format. Say I have one S line with a header, then two spaces, then a text, and after 2 more S spaces a footer - I would have to select 3 times and do alt-l - S come on, it's almost 2002, is that all that is possible? RP Yes, that's what we get in 2002 with The Bat! Sad but true :-( RP The editor in TB is rather disatrous in many respects, but what some RP people, including myself, consider as poor design is generally seen as RP brillant by the members of this list, particularly those who like to RP design pretty little tables and indulge in useless ASCII art. Go RP figure... RP Cheers, RP Rmi Pach I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this 'feature'. Agent, for example, seems to do this simple task without the need for weird key combinations every time you paste stuff in or go back and add to or delete an existing bit of text. It's the one thing that stops me recommending The Bat to friends who are accustomed to the ease of use of more run of the mill mail programs. My suggestion would be a configurable option so that the editor can behave either way - this would satisfy both camps. The auto-wrap feature as it stands is just not good enough, imho. John Rainer -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Small progress indicator?
Hello Silviu, Saturday, December 29, 2001, 3:25:44 PM, you wrote: RL I'm currently using The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal and wondered if it's still RL possible to get the small progress indicator as shown on.. RL http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/ss.gif rather than the connection center? Hmm, now who forgot to update the shots ?! :) Ah. :) Nope, sorry, but I think this one is better... Not when you're trying to do a thousand and one things at once like I seem to always be doing and the windows pops to the top of a stack of windows. :) -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: template adressbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Itwasforetoldthat on 29/12/2001 @ 06:29:32 GMT-0500 (which was 12:29 where I live) Allie C Martin wrote and spread these wise comments on template adressbook: It's better now. Slowly we proceed ;-) don't exceed the character limit per line for your signature. which are? Would it be better that i disable autowrap? justify wrap is disabled too. - -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 = public key directly: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x85840713 = My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people. Orson Welles - actor, writer, director. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com Comment: Key ID 0x56E226B8 http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/ iQA/AwUBPC3hgEOsAqmFhAcTEQJwvwCg3WJPljJLcWzyLmAWR3fqEbIX5rEAoPfw qVdhihKeX2N9mKUw7Hw64pNd =KP2B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
JR I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, JR sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this JR 'feature'. Agent, for example, seems to do this simple task without JR the need for weird key combinations every time you paste stuff in or JR go back and add to or delete an existing bit of text. It's the one JR thing that stops me recommending The Bat to friends who are accustomed JR to the ease of use of more run of the mill mail programs. JR My suggestion would be a configurable option so that the editor can JR behave either way - this would satisfy both camps. The auto-wrap JR feature as it stands is just not good enough, imho. JR John Rainer Wow, I thought everyone is all in love with the way BAT handles things. I must say that I am not happy with the way many things are handled. I am a BAT fan, which comes from the fact that Outlook sucks really badly, and that I just like the fact that this tool is so incredibly fast and loaded with functionality. BUT: I think there is a point when things start to be a little bad, for example this wrapping thing. Next thing I really cannot stand is the fact that the programmers spell Microsoft with a Dollar sign - I know, this shouldn't be a problem, but come on: almost EVERYONE here uses Windows, and XP really is an excellent OS - so much for that. Problem is further, that they REFUSE to give the option of using internet explorer's dll to show HTML content - are we back in stone age? I just want the OPTION, I don't want it to be a preset, just an OPTION - like John said, both camps can be satisfied if the programmers wouldn't be so concentrated on the technical camp. I do not want to offend anyone by this, please don't feel like I don't like BAT, I love it, it's just that there are certain things I totally disagree with - hope everyone understands this. Sebastian. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re:PGP Public Key
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 3:37:30 PM, I wrote: I've installed 6.5.8ckt - Build 06. However, there is a problem -- it can't find the key servers. I'm behind a firewall and I suspect that the required port is closed. At least, I'm getting socket is not connected errors, and I can access the outside world via http. From the list of servers, it looks as though the PGP servers use port 11371. Is this the LDAP port? Could this be why I can't access the LDAP servers in the TB Address Book? Sorry to reply to my own post, but I've found the required information and I would rather post than have someone searching through RFCs etc. for info about LDAP. According to the RFC, LDAP uses TCP port 389 (0x0185). I've opened up both that and port 11371 (0x2C6B) for outwards-initiated traffic and all is now working. Cheers, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
SOT: Difference between PGP 6.58 and PGP 6.58ckt
Hi: I've seen people using PGP 6.58ckt which is available for download at www.ipgpp.com. What is the difference of this version compared to PGP 6.58 as released officially by Phil Zimmerman? It seems to be based on an unofficially altered source code. So long, Kai -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On 29 December 2001 at 4:22 pm John wrote: I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this 'feature'. Agent, for example, seems to do this simple task without the need for weird key combinations every time you paste stuff in or go back and add to or delete an existing bit of text. It's the one thing that stops me recommending The Bat to friends who are accustomed to the ease of use of more run of the mill mail programs. My suggestion would be a configurable option so that the editor can behave either way - this would satisfy both camps. The auto-wrap feature as it stands is just not good enough, imho. Agreed - it has a large number of options, but life is just too short to explore them all and their interactions with one another. I have editor settings I'm happy with, but I couldn't explain how I got to those settings (probably trial and error in the past). Like many facilities in TB! beginner and expert approaches would be useful although hard work to implement; the program is phenomenally powerful but all of that power is (potentially) exposed no matter who the user is. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sebastian, On 29 Dec 2001 at 17:32:22 +0100, Sebastian [S] wrote concerning 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': ... S Problem is further, that they REFUSE to give the option of using S internet explorer's dll to show HTML content - are we back in stone S age? I just want the OPTION, I don't want it to be a preset, just S an OPTION - like John said, both camps can be satisfied if the S programmers wouldn't be so concentrated on the technical camp. That's because of the great security risks it brings. I don't get why it is so hard for some people to just double-click on an attachment to open it in your default browser. - -- Best regards, David ** If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC3ng1K9yf5+yp9NEQLddgCcC3ypYbhTJGQ/9bzzVl/LBF1/ojEAoNP2 fKb3gXdFH+o3uu/CLUiNIYM7 =wSRu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:53:46 +0200GMT (which was 16:53 +0100GMT where I live), Rémi Pach thought about BAT's word wrapping abilities... and wrote: RP The editor in TB is rather disatrous in many respects, but what some RP people, including myself, consider as poor design is generally seen as RP brillant by the members of this list, Yes, Rémi, people are indeed different. RP ... indulge in useless ASCII art. You name it, it is art. Has any kind of art ever been _useful_ except for fun and pleasure? ;-) Replies on TBOT please. - -- Cheers Peter (,_,_,_,) /|\`-._( )_.-'/|\ / | \`'-/ \-'`/ | \ / |_.'-.\ /.-'._| \ /_.-'`-._\ _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GnuPG for better authentication. Key-ID: 0xE10774CE iD8DBQE8LfTgAzZSBuEHdM4RAgVzAJ4k1jYMR+fl1WPdsfGqQRn7FLfRLACg9CZg dbbBCmvGchwP72/AMYos8X8= =6n+M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Sebastian. At 11:32 AM on Saturday, December 29, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': Sebastian [...] I am not happy with the way many things are Sebastian handled. I am a BAT fan, which comes from the Sebastian fact that Outlook sucks really badly, and that I Sebastian just like the fact that this tool is so Sebastian incredibly fast and loaded with functionality. Sebastian BUT: I think there is a point when things start Sebastian to be a little bad, for example this wrapping Sebastian thing. [...] Did you read my post explaining a really easy way for everyone who thinks this is a problem to solve the problem? Not to be argumentative but I'd hate to think I wasted my time offering a solution to the problem you continue to harp on. The option exists but its not a button or a checkmark. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/18/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
JR Did you read my post explaining a really easy way for JR everyone who thinks this is a problem to solve the JR problem? JR Not to be argumentative but I'd hate to think I wasted my JR time offering a solution to the problem you continue to JR harp on. JR The option exists but its not a button or a checkmark. Hi Jan - sorry, you have NOT wasted your time. I was just listing a few things I had problems with, and that was one of them. I am trying to get used to the ways the wrapping thing works by now, and I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this. I was not trying to overlook what you wrote, it just really need time to get used to this. ;) Thank you very much, Sebastian. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
@ 16:22:33 + [ Sat, 29 Dec 2001], John Rainer [JR] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... JR I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, JR sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this JR 'feature'. Ask Nick Andriash about this and stay tuned for the upcoming release. What you're wondering is simply NOT true -- ©Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home Ed. PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Sebastian. At 12:26 PM on Saturday, December 29, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': Sebastian I am trying to get used to the ways the wrapping Sebastian thing works [...] now just really need time to Sebastian get used to this. ;) For sure. And when you think you've figured it out, you'll learn something new. You can make it as simple or as complicated as you want. The choices make for a real trip. :-) Believe me, no apology necessary. I've been using TB! for a while still learn new things every day. This list is the most supportive I've ever experienced. No question is too simple, ridiculed or ignored. Over months, so many people have helped me get my arms around TB!. And I still have questions. In that spirit I just wanted you to know that there was a simple, albeit techie, way to get what you wanted -- created by some extremely smart Bat_Folk. I'll send them to you privately so you can play with it. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/18/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:53:46 +0200, Rémi Pach [RP] graced us with
these comments:
...
RP Yes, that's what we get in 2002 with The Bat! Sad but true :-(
RP The editor in TB is rather disatrous in many respects, but what
RP some people, including myself, consider as poor design is
RP generally seen as brillant by the members of this list,
RP particularly those who like to design pretty little tables and
RP indulge in useless ASCII art. Go figure...
There's more to TB!'s editor and its design than the advantages it
offers to create tables and view ASCII art. Your attitude towards this
whole thing is rather unaccommodating it would appear, and I think I'd
be really wasting my time to expand on this in a detailed fashion.
There are a lot of messages in the archive that deal with some of the
advantages anyway. With some explanation of what the editor will do
for you that others will not, I'm sure that you'd agree that the
editor is just different, that it has a useful design with drawbacks
that you cannot tolerate (no problem there), while the editors that
you're accustomed to have drawbacks that I and others can't tolerate.
TB!'s editor is NOT a disaster in design. It's just different and it's
really not a good thing to think something is trash or poorly designed
because it's different. Consider the fact that on many occasions, I
use TB!'s editor to edit text that's not intended for e-mail, just so
that I can use some of its features that aren't available in other
editors that I use. I'm not creating tables or ASCII art when I do
this. I also use PowerPro based macros that allow me to use TB!'s
editor with Forte' Agent, my news reader. It's TB! editor features
that allow me to be able to create those macros in the first place.
RP I am afraid we'll have to live with that weird editor until such
RP time as TB's developpers are struck by common sense.
I do hope that they'll either include an alternate editor or integrate
options in the current one that will produce standard behaviour and
its attendant limitations so that those who wish to use it can (it
would appear that the former approach is the planned one as with the
viewer approach). But I do hope that the editor will always maintain
its present functionality that is highly suited to *properly*
formatted plain text messaging.
RP Fortunately TB has many redeeming features is is overall the best
RP e-mail client around (with Becky a close second). I use TB in
RP spite of its editor, not because of it.
The editor is one of the main reasons why I use it. It's one of the
unique things about TB! that makes it different from the others. It's
really nice to find something that's different and that has a
different approach with its attendant advantages.
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Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:22:33 +, John Rainer [JR] graced us with these comments: ... JR I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, JR sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this JR 'feature'. I didn't comment accurately on this in my other message. My last message was a response to your comment in a broad sense (take out the 'in this feature' part) and not specifically with regards to the editor. AFAIK, a new editor is under development. It's easier for them to develop a new editor with standard features than make the present one have options for standard behaviour. This is why it has taken so long for them to address the issue. -- ©Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home Ed. PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)
Hi Bat-fellows, need to brag about something: back in July I ventured to write a few succinct lines of appreciation of The Bat! at CNET's www.download.com. Tonight while casually browsing that server, I've noticed that the review has been picked by CNET as representative for introducing The Bat's features to potential new users. Here it is from http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-3356720-100-6375683.html?tag=st.dl.3356720.unav.0 WITHOUT COMPETITION Allows creating an unlimited number of reply, new message and forwarded message templates. Macros and RegExp are welcome but not obligatory. Handles more than a dozen encodings from West and East (including Russian). Even the interface is available in a dozen languages, ditto the spellchecker. Stunning possibilities of filtering. Small, fast. Constantly updated. Upgrading is a 15 seconds process. Most of all: handles line breaks perfectly. No more chopped-off line ends in Outlook-Express style when quoting previous correspondence. (The jocular Lichtenstein address from back then is no longer functional.) To the current word-wrapping thread and Sebastian I'd like to say: I hold the way TB! handles line breaks to be one of the grandest features of TB!'s editor. TB!'s editor itself is one of this email package's chief assets, if you only take the trouble to learn using it correctly. And I'm no nerd -- just an ordinary user, receiving no more than 400 emails daily. The one long-standing wish I have in terms of the editor: could there finally be an indicator in the editor's status bar of whether auto-format CTRL+SHIFT+F is currently switched on or off? -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.54/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Alastair! On 29 Dec 2001 at 17:41:45 you wrote: Like many facilities in TB! beginner and expert approaches would be useful although hard work to implement; the program is phenomenally powerful but all of that power is (potentially) exposed no matter who the user is. Just so I don't come over as a misanthrope: This is one very good comment, and a feature request I would second! This is not just I don't like it, Why can't you do it like others. But useful and constructive. Thank you, Alastair! -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Education has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading. (G.M. Trevelyan) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Peter, PM You name it, it is art. Has any kind of art ever been _useful_ except PM for fun and pleasure? ;-) PM(,_,_,_,) PM/|\`-._( )_.-'/|\ PM / | \`'-/ \-'`/ | \ PM / |_.'-.\ /.-'._| \ PM /_.-'`-._\ I use e-mail to write messages, not to create little bats with ASCII characters, like you. It's nice but it's totally irrelevant to the discussion on this inadequate TB editor. PM Replies on TBOT please. No idea what that is, sorry. Cheers, Rémi Pach -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Sebastian! On 29 Dec 2001 at 17:32:22 you wrote: I am a BAT fan, which comes from the fact that Outlook sucks really badly, and that I just like the fact that this tool is so incredibly fast and loaded with functionality. Funny, I am a TB! fan because of the programme itself. I don't need comparatives for my life. Remember: The good is always the fiend of the better. (For our German speaking friends: Das Gute ist der Feind des Besseren.) Think about it. BUT: I think there is a point when things start to be a little bad, for example this wrapping thing. You are just a little lazy of thinking. If you know what you want you can do it with TB!'s editor. I may just take a few seconds longer, BUT IS IN YOUR CONTROL (Sorry for shouting, but I wanted this to be heard by some members). Next thing I really cannot stand is the fact that the programmers spell Microsoft with a Dollar sign - I know, this shouldn't be a problem, but come on: almost EVERYONE here uses Windows, and XP really is an excellent OS - so much for that. I won't argue about the OS part. But, how long are you in the Internet? And I don't mean WWW. I am not quite a fan of this (stupid) way to mark MS off as a dollar producing company - it's what everybody likes to dream of. But come on, if that already annoys you that much, you should look out for a life. Problem is further, that they REFUSE to give the option of using internet explorer's dll to show HTML content - are we back in stone age? I just want the OPTION, I don't want it to be a preset, just an OPTION - like John said, both camps can be satisfied if the programmers wouldn't be so concentrated on the technical camp. Tried double-clicking the HTML attachment? That's why I like the attachment to be seen, I can just open it with Opera. I do not want to offend anyone by this, please don't feel like I don't like BAT, I love it, it's just that there are certain things I totally disagree with - hope everyone understands this. There are certain things in life I disagree with ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C The fox has many tricks, and the hedgehog only one, but that is the best of all. (Desiderius Erasmus) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Jan, Not to be argumentative but I'd hate to think I wasted my time offering a solution to the problem you continue to harp on. A most arrogant reply to someone who simply wants a solution to a real problem. And no, your solution is not a solution at all and a bad editor remains a bad editor, regardless of the amount of sophistry deployed by you and other free caret fans. Rémi Pach -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SOT: Difference between PGP 6.58 and PGP 6.58ckt
Hello Kai! On 29 Dec 2001 at 17:53:32 you wrote: I've seen people using PGP 6.58ckt which is available for download at www.ipgpp.com. What is the difference of this version compared to PGP 6.58 as released officially by Phil Zimmerman? It seems to be based on an unofficially altered source code. 1. 6.5.8 is released by NAI, not by Phil Zimmerman; although is the last NAI version he recommended wholeheartedly. 2. CKT versions are based upon officially released source code. 3. CKT (namely Imad Faiad) scrutinised the code, scratched out bugs and added/opened up some features. 4. If you want to know more about the history of CKT (or other international builds) you should look at the web sites. Or look for a book about cryptography. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: OT - best freeware/shareware web authoring program?
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 1:42:35 AM, you wrote: Hi Joe, On 29 Dec 2001 at 18:03:37 [GMT -0600], you wrote: JF Within the last 10-12 days or so, someone here wrote about a *great* JF freeware/shareware web authoring program. JF Does anyone remember it's name? Not the one that was mentioned, but I'd recommend Phase 5 written by Ulli Meybohm. It's one of the best HTML editors I know of and it's freeware. But you should have some experience with HTML, because it's not a WYSIWYG editor, but you have to edit directly the HTML source instead. Have a look at www.meybohm.de, the site is partly in German, but you can find the download just below that big Windows logo halfway down the site. Thanks, Lars. I'll do just that. I don't know what'll be harder for me to understand, HTML or German. :) I'm also going to give NoteTab Pro a longer look, too. I may already have everything I need right here on my computer. -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Dierk, this is the third time you fling something in the face of other users that is not to be seen in such a place. Sorry, I though this was a mailing list where people were free to discuss the pros and cons of a particular piece of software. Rémi Pach -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[4]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 10:41:45 AM, you wrote: [...] I have editor settings I'm happy with, but I couldn't explain how I got to those settings (probably trial and error in the past). [...] Alastair Alistair, you took the words right out of my mouth. Not only can't I explain it, I have no idea how I got there. I think John Walker, that American Taliban guy, said it first. :) -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Rémi! On 29 Dec 2001 at 16:53:46 you wrote: The editor in TB is rather disatrous in many respects, but what some people, including myself, consider as poor design is generally seen as brillant by the members of this list, particularly those who like to design pretty little tables and indulge in useless ASCII art. Go figure... Please, we had that. For short: If a feature I have to use a lot is disastrous I don't bore others with it, but gon on to another programme. To dwell on my personal history, I started out with AOL, then got around to Eudora light, Eudora, Free Agent (no usable e-mail function) and ended up with TB!. I had to use OE two or three times on the job. I also know Netscape's e-mail client. All in all TB! (especially its editor, although I don't use much tables/ASCII art) still comes out a winner. BTW, what I'd really like is another tone in our discussion. One can discuss much better - particularly with e-mail - when we don't use so much polemics and implications of others are stupid like you do. We did have this topic some weeks back. And I assure you that I am of the more generous kind, but this is the third time you fling something in the face of other users that is not to be seen in such a place. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Lover's happiness: As long as I have you, I can endure all the troubles you inevitably bring. (Ashleigh Brilliant/Derek Leveret) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:22:52 +0200GMT (which was 19:22 +0100GMT where I live), Rémi Pach thought about BAT's word wrapping abilities... and wrote: RP I use e-mail to write messages, not to create little bats with ASCII RP characters, like you. It's nice but it's totally irrelevant to the RP discussion on this inadequate TB editor. Yes, it is. That's why I pointed to TBOT. RP No idea what that is, sorry. No problem. It is the mailing list for off-topic discussions like ascii art. :o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Cheers Peter Who the hell is General Failure? And why is he reading my hard disk? _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GnuPG for better authentication. Key-ID: 0xE10774CE iD8DBQE8Lg6KAzZSBuEHdM4RAh2IAKCqEN5y/t9JHpBcCdJR5o5GcM/RzACgsZPY SkBQUP4pwGfD2ilVieOXXA0= =hlYB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello John! On 29 Dec 2001 at 17:22:33 you wrote: I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this 'feature'. Is nerd or expert the operative here? And which do *you* consider the more insulting? My suggestion would be a configurable option so that the editor can behave either way - this would satisfy both camps. The auto-wrap feature as it stands is just not good enough, imho. RITLabs told us that version 2 will have a new editor and perhaps make use of external editors. Then you could even use Word (BTW, who the heck wrote he creates HTML pages with it?). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have. (Albert Einstein) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
TB Network Admin in Win XP
Hello TB Users, I am running TB on Win XP Home. I think I just locked myself out of my administration rights in TB, or at least I can't seem to find my way back to the Networking and Administration topic that used to be under Options only a few minutes ago. I found that the other 4 logons I had created under XP could not open TB without causing it to crash under any of those logons. I went into TB under Networking options and setup an all encompassing account called Family which gives everyone access to all mail accounts. I now realize that I should have setup individual accounts giving privileges to certain mail accounts. Silly me! Anyway, I now have to logon with Family for the TB to come up on any of the accounts. My problem is I find that the administration of the networking option is removed from the Options even in my administrative logon in XP. Is there a special startup command to use with TB (like /NOLOGO for elimination of the splash screen) or am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks for any insight. -- Best regards, Craig mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:31:17 PM _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:29:35 +0200, Rémi Pach [RP] graced us with these comments: ... Not to be argumentative but I'd hate to think I wasted my time offering a solution to the problem you continue to harp on. RP A most arrogant reply to someone who simply wants a solution to a RP real problem. RP And no, your solution is not a solution at all and a bad editor RP remains a bad editor, regardless of the amount of sophistry RP deployed by you and other free caret fans. At this point I must declare this thread closed. I think that all opinions have been expressed by most who cared to (sorry for those guys who may be in another time zone and sleeping their way through this one). Things are becoming argumentative and we don't wish for this to degenerate into a flame war or bickering about each others behaviour. So, please!! no more on this thread. Thank you!! - -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) iQA/AwUBPC4Oe1fJ62ArBxfiEQJO2QCgk0wmihPoC2jUwgfNFotm4sIpSRgAoOs6 AI9FMjIWnOzGIaupIaGL37SP =ahSE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In a message dated, Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:05:58 +0100, Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote: ... DH I won't argue about the OS part. But, how long are you in the DH Internet? And I don't mean WWW. I am not quite a fan of this DH (stupid) way to mark MS off as a dollar producing company - it's DH what everybody likes to dream of. But come on, if that already DH annoys you that much, you should look out for a life. moderator Please. Let's close this here. No more on this thread on list. Please take your responses off-list or to TBOT. Thanks. /moderator - -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54 Beta/19 WinXP Home PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) iQA/AwUBPC4PI1fJ62ArBxfiEQLK1gCgjR4GxLct9LsydaVXHEFX/0BHteQAoKQs IRZkArX/c7OzC9mwOIS+pFSO =cB2y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)
On 29 December 2001 at 6:02 pm Avenarius wrote: Hi Bat-fellows, need to brag about something: back in July I ventured to write a few succinct lines of appreciation of The Bat! at CNET's www.download.com. Tonight while casually browsing that server, I've noticed that the review has been picked by CNET as representative for introducing The Bat's features to potential new users. It's a good one! Further down the thread there's a few interesting comments (first in part): The interface for composing messages is among the worst I've seen. The one in Pine (UNIX) is better, for crying out load. So if, say, you reply to a message, there's all kinds of configuration options, but no way to simply line-wrap the quoted text. Plus, if you have two paragaraphs without a filler carriage return between them, the autoformat jams them together. The autoformatter also seems to fill in spaces so when you key upward you don't cling to the flush left words. This proved to be incredibly annoying. And frustrating that there was no way to tweak the options to fix this (especially given how many other options could be changed). So I fled to PocoMail, and have been quite pleased. The editor for composing messages is SO bad, that it ruins an otherwise very nice program. Although I don't agree with the comment about PocoMail it all comes back to the same point as before; because of the complexity of the options and the interactions between them the author is confused! That the editor is being rewritten is good. If one could embed inter alia TextPad, NotePad or UltraEdit into TB! for good measure ... how about an editor plugin like the antivirus plugin? :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 11:58:24 AM, you wrote: [...] RITLabs told us that version 2 will have a new editor and perhaps make use of external editors. [...] And the very early voting returns are: For: 1 Against: 0 -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Rémi! On 29 Dec 2001 at 19:37:42 you wrote: Sorry, I though this was a mailing list where people were free to discuss the pros and cons of a particular piece of software. ((... another one out of context.)) Yes, you are right and I will always defend this. Read what I've written and you will see that - again - it was the tone I didn't like. I am neither nerd nor anything other you implied. The funny part here is that I know from our private conversation that you are an agreeable, conversant and intelligent person. Since Allie closed this thread *and* I definitely wasn't as nice as I usually try to be, I apologize to all for any insult or time wasted on my part. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/20 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Sooner or later the graveyards are full of everybody. (Terry Pratchett) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
RP Hello Dierk, this is the third time you fling something in the face of other users that is not to be seen in such a place. RP Sorry, I though this was a mailing list where people were free to RP discuss the pros and cons of a particular piece of software. RP Rémi Pach I think everyone should have the right for their opinion, and I thank Rémi for showing me that there is not just me who has some problems with the BAT. This thread may be closed now, but maybe we can all be happy with version 2 - whenever it is done... . Thank you all for your replies and your help, Sebastian. :) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Saturday, December 29, 2001 , Joe Finocchiaro wrote the following in regards to: [BAT's word wrapping abilities...] . JF Saturday, December 29, 2001, 11:58:24 AM, you wrote: JF [...] RITLabs told us that version 2 will have a new editor and perhaps make use of external editors. JF [...] JF And the very early voting returns are: JF For: 1 JF Against: 0 Against: 1 We want blood! It's always funny to watch FANATICS talk past each others. . [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ REAL PROBLEMS / REAL SOLUTION ISSN: 1492-7829 Technical information on Windows and networking http://www.911networks.com Copyright 1999-2001 by 911networks.com - All Rights Reserved +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Hello Rémi. At 1:37 PM on Saturday, December 29, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'BAT's word wrapping abilities...': Rémi Sorry, I though this was a mailing list where people Rémi were free to discuss the pros and cons of a particular Rémi piece of software. I've found that list members *are* free to discuss the pros cons of TB! on this other TB! list(s) because good discussion can help make the program better but its a matter of tone perhaps some common courtesy as well, that have caused some consternation here. If you were visiting in someone's home I don't think you would say I think the architecture is useless your taste in furniture decor is a disaster. That's what it sounds like when you say things like: ,- [Rémi] | The editor in TB is rather disatrous in many respects, but | what some people, including myself, consider as poor design | is generally seen as brillant by the members of this list, | particularly those who like to design pretty little tables | and indulge in useless ASCII art. '- and statements like the following in response to my comments which weren't even addressed to you: ,- [Rémi] | A most arrogant reply to someone who simply wants a solution | to a real problem. | | And no, your solution is not a solution at all and a bad | editor remains a bad editor, regardless of the amount of | sophistry deployed by you and other free caret fans. '- and ,- [Rémi] | I use e-mail to write messages, not to create little bats | with ASCII characters, like you. It's nice but it's totally | irrelevant to the discussion on this inadequate TB editor. '- Perhaps you should consider the possibility that your statements to this list thus far exude the arrogance you abhor. Consider how rude I might be considered if I began to correct your syntax spelling errors even though there is an excellent spell checker in this program. Is it possible that you are not yet familiar enough with TB! to know how to implement all its options to get what you want? Is it possible that you simply have a healthy difference of opinion but haven't mastered a style in which to express it in a constructive way? In the meantime, if you have a question, I'm sure most people here would be happy to help you find an answer. I won't continue this dialogue any longer so you can have the last word, Rémi. However, I hope you will take a moment to think about what I've said in the positive spirit in which it was meant. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/18/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)
I see we're in the midst of a topic shift here (Bat review - Wishlist), but I'm going to jump in, anyway :) I've never used an e-mail client that comes anywhere close to TB! in terms of power and flexibility -- especially in the area of multiple e-mail accounts. I recommend it heartily to anyone who will listen, but I always have to include one caveat: With power and flexibility comes a confusing array of choices (which has been alluded to in several of the recent posts). I'll repeat the suggestion I've made before: Provide *one more* selection that switches between novice mode and seasoned user mode. The beginner mode (the default when TB! is first run) would hide many of the advanced features and choices. Advanced users (and others who become comfortable with the basic features) would select seasoned user mode and have access to the Whole Enchilada. Many users seeking only a reliable, multi-account e-mail client would likely stay in novice mode. (I remember early versions of MS Word on the Mac doing something like this.) Thanks for the opportunity to vent! -Don Using The Bat! version 1.53d -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
TB! editor, line-wrap [was: Re: CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)]
A Bat-fellow, Alastair Scott, wrote on 29 December 2001 at 19:07:09 GMT, which was 20:07 in Bratislava -- AS Further down the thread there's a few interesting comments [...]: The editor for composing messages is SO bad, that it ruins an otherwise very nice program. AS [...] because of the complexity of the options and the AS interactions between them the author is confused! Absolutely. Here's something else for those who dislike TB!'s editor to mull over, found at http://email.about.com/library/weekly/aa010801b.htm A WORLD-CLASS MESSAGE EDITOR When you compose a message with The Bat!, you do it with the best email editor I've seen so far. Its powerful auto-wrap and auto-format functions make it easy to write neat email messages that are not a pain to read. This works even with replies. With minimal effort, the appropriate parts of the original email are arranged as quotations that do not break the formatting of the rest of the message. Almost all other email clients should take an example by The Bat!'s editor. Is it then true that TB!'s editor is primarily suited for the needs of power users rather than ordinary users? Perhaps it only comes across as such to the first-time user, which wouldn't then be a fault in the editor but in its presentation as Alastair says. Surely it's in the interest of not nerds but everyone to be able to write neat email messages that are not a pain to read because quotations do not break the formatting of the rest of the message. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.54/12 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Threading Messages
I've never used the Message Threading Option in The Bat! until joining this list last week. Now that I have seen it, I think it's incredible! Having threaded messages makes it SO much easier to read the messages in the list. But I have a question regarding it. How does one mark a message thread as read? As opposed to marking all messages in the folder as read, that is. Some threads don't pertain to me, so I want to be able to just pass by them but I don't want to have it listed that I have New, Unread messages in the message folder list. -- - Alan Poulton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Threading Messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alan, On 29 Dec 2001 at 11:53:25 -0800, Alan Poulton [AP] wrote concerning 'Threading Messages': AP How does one mark a message thread as read? Press Ctrl+Shift+M or right click and press 'Thread | Mark as read'. - -- Best regards, David ** I know Karate, Kung Fu, and 47 other dangerous words. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/19] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPC4SS1K9yf5+yp9NEQKAQQCg6x6U42Js0+1SN14pLKjCCjVYiVoAoLZj TUgXFLZAforCUX1/nC8ChDap =G84V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[4]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 1:40:18 PM, you wrote: On Saturday, December 29, 2001 , Joe Finocchiaro wrote the following in regards to: [BAT's word wrapping abilities...] JF Saturday, December 29, 2001, 11:58:24 AM, you wrote: JF [...] RITLabs told us that version 2 will have a new editor and perhaps make use of external editors. JF [...] JF And the very early voting returns are: JF For: 1 JF Against: 0 Against: 1 We want blood! I hear that the Red Cross has a sale on pre-owned O-negative blood this week, friend. But only two pints to a customer. Drink up! It's always funny to watch FANATICS talk past each others. Some really old guy once said (paraphrasing) that fanaticism was redoubling your efforts when you've forgotten your aim. I know exactly what I want, and I aim to get it -- one way or the other. PS: Fortunately, I'm a very patient man. -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 5:58:24 PM, you wrote: DH Hello John! DH On 29 Dec 2001 at 17:22:33 you wrote: I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this 'feature'. DH Is nerd or expert the operative here? And which do *you* consider DH the more insulting? As someone who considers himself to be a bit of a computer nerd, I don't find either term insulting, nor was any insult intended - they tend to be interchangeable descriptions as far as experienced PC users go! My attempted, but apparently failed, humorous point was that either term describes people who tend to get more wrapped up in the details of something and how it works than how easy it is to actually use by the rest of the world. If a word processor behaved like this for the staff at my office, they would be banging on my door demanding my blood! We actually have a copy of The Bat at work for a specialist task and no-one else but me will use it. I'm not knocking the feature itself - as a long term Bat user I know what it can do, but for me it is just plain irritating in day to day use - I just there was a switch to make it behave in a more conventional fashion and keep everyone happy. John Rainer -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 1:43:41 PM, you wrote: [...] Is it possible that you are not yet familiar enough with TB! to know how to implement all its options to get what you want? [...] Boy, those words could pass for the epitaph on every Bat! user's tombstone, eh? :) -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
DEAD HORSE (was Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jan, On 29 December 2001 at 14:43:41 [GMT-0500] (which was 19:43 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote to Rémi Pach and made these points: Rémi Sorry, I though this was a mailing list where people were free Rémi to discuss the pros and cons of a particular piece of software. snip JR In the meantime, if you have a question, I'm sure most people JR here would be happy to help you find an answer. moderator *THAT* is the point of this list. Although everyone has a right to an opinion, this list is not the forum. Please use TBOT or TBBETA for such things. This list is a primary point of support for new and old users alike, a safe place to exchange ways to get the best out a great piece of email software. This thread has been closed twice already. This is the last time. Please do not reply to this list any more on this topic. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/20-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8LikSOeQkq5KdzaARAhYSAJ4oQL1LkyQND3oFLj6V7LXuc9WXxwCfQIue H6/HkmSNnXYzTTOtL3Y0HDk= =e1uG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
ROTTING CORPSE OF DEAD HORSE (wasRe: BAT's word wrapping abilities...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On 29 December 2001 at 20:28:28 John Rainer wrote to Dierk Haasis and made these points: JR - I just there was a switch to make it behave in a more JR conventional fashion and keep everyone happy. Very laudable ... but: moderator This horse is dead. Please stop riding it here. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/20-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8LizBOeQkq5KdzaARAqKiAJ0cBgRzlV+eSBR2DGN2gZXq7ElHRwCg2hMV p+vlrIA/afaoz2/s5VI7dNk= =NMQF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On 29 Dec 2001, 12:22:52 PM, Rémi Pach wrote: I use e-mail to write messages, not to create little bats with ASCII characters, like you. Perhaps messages sometimes can encompass more than just words? -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54/Abacus on Windows NT version 5,1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
PGP Plugin
Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 In another thread, Allie C Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: PGP6.5.8ckt would be a good choice since it has TB! plugin support, ... I've now got 6.5.8ckt installed and (after some kerfuffle with time-zones and permissions) I can now use it via PGPTray. However, I can't find a TB! Plugin and can find nothing in the PGP manuals about The Bat. Does my OS (NT4) preclude using a plugin with this version of PGP? -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: TB! editor, line-wrap [was: Re: CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)]
On 29 Dec 2001, 1:48:52 PM, Avenarius wrote: Is it then true that TB!'s editor is primarily suited for the needs of power users rather than ordinary users? Perhaps it only comes across as such to the first-time user, which wouldn't then be a fault in the editor but in its presentation as Alastair says. Surely it's in the interest of not nerds but everyone to be able to write neat email messages that are not a pain to read because quotations do not break the formatting of the rest of the message. Here I go again. The one thing the editor needs is the ability to block text in a message, then use reply to all and have that text be marked as a quote, instead of the whole message, as can be done to reply to one with F-4. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54/Abacus on Windows NT version 5,1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP Plugin
@ 21:30:42 + [ Sat, 29 Dec 2001], Geoff Lane [GL] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... GL I've now got 6.5.8ckt installed and (after some kerfuffle with GL time-zones and permissions) I can now use it via PGPTray. However, I GL can't find a TB! Plugin and can find nothing in the PGP manuals about GL The Bat. GL Does my OS (NT4) preclude using a plugin with this version of PGP? You'll need to download the plugin dll. You can get the dll plugin that you need at Ritlabs. ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/pgpdlls.zip The dll that you'll need from that download is batpgp65.dll. Place it in your TB! installation directory. You can then choose the PGP version from within TB! after installing the compatible PGP version. -- ©Allie C Martin -- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 [MUA: TB! v1.54 Beta/19 (*) OS: WinXP Home] ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SOT: Difference between PGP 6.58 and PGP 6.58ckt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 29, 2001, at 9:34:40 AM PST, Dierk Haasis wrote: 1. 6.5.8 is released by NAI, not by Phil Zimmerman; although is the last NAI version he recommended wholeheartedly. Well, except perhaps for the following bit from this article: http://www.philzimmermann.com/text/PRZ_leaves_NAI.txt PRZ wrote: If NAI ever publishes the complete PGP 7.0.3 source code, I am confident that the public will be able to see that there are still no back doors. Until that time, I can offer only my own assurances that this version of PGP was developed on my watch, and has no back doors. In fact, I believe it to be the most secure version of PGP produced to date. While the full source code release is still important, there are vulnerability patches that have since been implemented for v7.x that have not been implemented by all v6.5.8 users (even v6.5.8ckt.06 doesn't include the patch for the Otterloo attack (released only as a source code snippet for v6.5.8). 2. CKT versions are based upon officially released source code. True - but they are hacked (Imad's own terminology) - and unofficially altered as the original question was framed. Strictly speaking, they are also illegal builds, and illegally distributed. 3. CKT (namely Imad Faiad) scrutinised the code, scratched out bugs and added/opened up some features. While the above is true, it is also noteworthy that the bugs Imad scratched out were not discovered by him during his review/manipulation of the code - nor were they discovered by any other peer by reviewing the source code. While source code review will remain a respected method of review for bugs and security vulnerabilities, we should also be careful not to insinuate that it is *always* the availability of code for review that has resulted in bug discoveries, fixes, and patches. The ADK bug, Windows ascii armor parser vulnerability, and the Otterloo attack were all discovered by means other than source code review - and none of them were discovered by Imad's scrutiny of the 6.5.8 code. I do respect Imad's apparent abilities, and I have no reason to implicitly distrust him. However - for anyone to use a ckt build without scrutinizing the code, confirming it's security, and then compiling their own binary from that code, they are essentially in the same boat as most other PGP users - they must *trust* someone (Imad - or the countless, faceless, mysterious peers who may or may not be conscientiously reviewing every byte of code and dutifully reporting their findings to the rest of us). Sorry for continuing so far OT in this thread. I'll be happy to read more of this in TBOT. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.10 iD8DBQE8LkGvjVbXUvsE8ukRAgUYAJwP+QOY+oxhuGpkkg74Hg1Uf+KyCgCgxk9r j18a4aCQwH0MjsW8JAi1jXs= =y3f4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
EXTREMELY DEAD HORSE Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dwight, On 29 December 2001 at 15:50:00 [GMT-0600] (which was 21:50 where I live) Dwight A Corrin wrote to Rémi Pach and made these points: DAC Perhaps messages sometimes can encompass more than just words? moderator And perhaps list members will listen to the moderators. Please stop discussing on *any* branch of this thread here. Enough already! That's four times now. I'll take the polite mode button off next time. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/20-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8LkHbOeQkq5KdzaARApF6AJ9HlARwRNeV+cbUo5fwlw0Rw2r1/ACfUZLR KgNUElHojOWuA9usg2FPhEg= =oaWl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Small progress indicator?
On 29 Dec 2001, at 15:50:55 [GMT +] (which was 16:50 where I live) Richard Lane wrote: RL Not when you're trying to do a thousand and one things at once like I seem RL to always be doing and the windows pops to the top of a stack of windows. :) I've got my Connection Center set on display automatically and just minimized it; next time it has to check mail, all I see is an extra block on my taskbar. No interference. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/20 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re:PGP Plugin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Saturday, December 29, 2001, 10:10:10 PM, Allie C Martin wrote: You'll need to download the plugin dll. You can get the dll plugin that you need at Ritlabs. ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/pgpdlls.zip The dll that you'll need from that download is batpgp65.dll. Place it in your TB! installation directory. You can then choose the PGP version from within TB! after installing the compatible PGP version. Thanks for that -- I've installed the 6.5 plugin from RitLabs and it all appears to work. I've uploaded my public key to the root server and to the UK server. So, hopefully, this message will authenticate. Thanks again, - -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPC5HS0mEZTKB7ZV0EQJcEACggA48liOCQwISOpt5ghBPUW/yEGUAn39q ScFG+CxK0DQHNUTLEiVoEu/2 =Vbyh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: TB! editor, line-wrap [was: Re: CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)]
On 12/29/2001, Avenarius wrote: s it then true that TB!'s editor is primarily suited for the needs of power users rather than ordinary users? Perhaps it only comes across as such to the first-time user, which wouldn't then be a fault in the editor but in its presentation as Alastair says. Surely it's in the interest of not nerds but everyone to be able to write neat email messages that are not a pain to read because quotations do not break the formatting of the rest of the message. It took some getting used to, but I absolutely love the Bat's editor. They can add the option to use an external editor, or improve the existing one for the upcoming v2.0, but *please* don't touch the original editor's functionality. :-) -- Regards, Don Zeigler ...Don't sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things Irritating tagline brought to you by The Bat! 1.54 Beta/15 at 6:10:35 PM on Saturday, December 29, 2001 www.donzeigler.com Grand Funk Railroad's Roadkill Fan Club Photo Gallery Official One-Eyed Gypsy Fan Site The Mothman of Point Pleasant Fred on Everything Crossing Over with John Edward -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP Plugin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, December 29, 2001, at 2:44:23 PM PST, Geoff Lane wrote: Thanks for that -- I've installed the 6.5 plugin from RitLabs and it all appears to work. I've uploaded my public key to the root server and to the UK server. So, hopefully, this message will authenticate. gpg: Signature made 12/29/01 14:44:27 using DSA key ID 81ED9574 gpg: Good signature from Geoff Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** PGP Signature Status: good *** Signer: Geoff Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Invalid) *** Signed: 12/29/2001 2:44:27 PM *** Verified: 12/29/2001 3:23:49 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Just in case you were concerned by the slightly incorrect version the TB! plug-in shows, you can get specifically edited TB! plug-in DLLs for various versions here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGP-Basics/files/TB%20%26%20PGP/ You may need to join the PGP-Basics group to gain access to that page - - or I can download the DLL file you want, and send it to you via email attachment. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.10 iD8DBQE8LlGAjVbXUvsE8ukRAsiPAKDn//9ZWG6QOao/lwF4Xi17bJADQQCfa4PP TH0321e+T0SluWxB5P15NZE= =6ueu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: PGP Plugin
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@ 22:44:23 + [ Sat, 29 Dec 2001], Geoff Lane [GL] contributed this
to our collective wisdom:
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GL Thanks for that -- I've installed the 6.5 plugin from RitLabs and it
GL all appears to work. I've uploaded my public key to the root server
GL and to the UK server. So, hopefully, this message will authenticate.
Good!!
and
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PGP6.5.8ckt works just fine in XP here. I've only installed the basic
PGP here, i.e., no PGP Disk and no plugins for Outlook or Outlook
Express.
Luc,
If you're reading..
The Hotkeys work fine as well. I just don't know what it is with your
setup.
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Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:41:12 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: S Is it normal, that the BAT cannot wrap correctly? Whenever I paste S a text, it just keeps on going towards a few meters outside the S right side of my monitor - why can it not wrap it? Because it is not supposed to unless you use Paste formatted (Shift-Ctrl-Ins). This is by design. S I was told by one of the programmers, that I would have to use some S keyboard combination, but that doesn't work out correctly all the S time, since I sometimes have certain formatted texts, that lose all S their formatting once I do that. That's why it's not supposed to reformat when pasting normally. I seldom paste text when I edit a message, so I've no problem using alt L if that happens occasionally. But I change very often text that I've written, and I find it quite irritating that I have to use alt L continually to keep the text readable. When I use auto-wrap I want to have auto-wrap, and not free formatting. The problem is that TB tries to combine two different methods that are not really compatible into one option. Auto-format is useless for me, as I often use indented and/or shorter lines. I think it would be much better two have two different options: 1. auto-wrap (as long as you edit the program uses soft returns, which are converted to hard returns when you save the file, and with the enter key you can force a hard return), without free format (so if you want to move the cursor ahead of the text you have to insert spaces or tabs - I have no problem with that), 2. no auto-wrap and free format (you can move the cursor everywhere). The editor as it now is, is definitely unpractical when it tries to combine these options. I find this one of the flaws of TB (which is further still the best mailprogram I know). Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
Saturday, December 29, 2001, 6:48:20 PM, you wrote: [...] Because it is not supposed to unless you use Paste formatted (Shift-Ctrl-Ins). This is by design. Gez. It's days just like this that make you want to go guzzle a bottle of scotch and then put a gun in your mouth. Bingo! So that's how you do it! I knew there had to be a way, that TB! was otherwise just too damn good of a program not to allow you to retain the formatting from a cut and pasted blob of text. If I told everyone here what I've been doing, all these many months now, to get around this perceived problem, you'd all laugh, so I'm not going to do it. But suffice it to say, I'm laughing hard enough for everyone else. Thank you, Peter! Thank you, Peter! PS: Yep, Jan's recent words should be inscribed on every Bat! user's tombstone: Is it possible that you are not yet familiar enough with TB! to know how to implement all its options to get what you want? -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: template adressbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It was foretold that on 29-12-2001 @ 22:00:58 GMT-0800 (which was 7:00 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and spread these wise comments on template adressbook: But maybe my key comment was way to long to handle, i have shortened it hopefully this will be the end of it pgp that doesn't work correctly, That has to be a system specific problem for you. You are the only one I've ever heard of having that kind of problem. Nick, i had just a systemcrash and installed it again: again a virgin pc lol. Still the same pgp problems though. :-( wrapping that causes problems: one begins to wonder why do i even bother? :) Btw, could you check my sig again please? - -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 = public key directly: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x85840713 = It is often said: Always put off tomorrow what you can do today, but if the toilet is out of order, I am not sure if that still holds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: PGP Key ID 0x56E226B8 http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/ iQA/AwUBPC56OkOsAqmFhAcTEQIFgACg+Fv57ZoY1emk0Lzlu/VYT/ODk/sAniQ2 iH29P0Rj2R+VE+3ZXh25Mr40 =G51H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: template adressbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Luc, On 30 December 2001 at 04:22:00 [GMT+0100] (which was 03:22 where I live) Luc knaepkens wrote to Nick Andriash and made these points: That has to be a system specific problem for you. You are the only one I've ever heard of having that kind of problem. Lk Nick, i had just a systemcrash and installed it again: again a Lk virgin pc lol. Still the same pgp problems though. :-( wrapping that causes problems: one begins to wonder why do i even bother? :) Lk Btw, could you check my sig again please? gpg: Signature made 12/30/01 02:21:46 044 using DSA key ID 85840713 gpg: Good signature from Luc Knaepkens [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/20-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8LolDOeQkq5KdzaARAkvKAKCvzNR+eQXLnWxvlNISjrc9CqAK0gCfVV/q MQbP0NMe/oeHUC4SAixI3K4= =UGN+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Puzzling characters?
Hello Shauna, 23 Dec 2001, 3:34:28 PM, you wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 8'g!O'!!ZRE!!@=Q!! The headers from the one *without* the weird characters show: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: %N[!!~_!V9N!l87!! This is just a guess on my part. I remembering reading something awhile back regarding 7bit and 8bit headers. 8 bit included non ASCII characters and when translated to a 7 bit ASCII based the translations became erratic. Something like Base64 etc. Basically, if an 8 bit header was translated along the way, the statement I read said one would read strange characters in place of the actual statement originally sent. Now, I don't claim to know this is what is happening, but it crossed my mind. Maybe others can give a clue if this on the right track or way off base? -- Cheers, Dean The Bat1.54 Beta/20 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
