Re: A Plan for Spam
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 6:09:07 AM you [TF] wrote (at least in part): TF Alas, with TB's filtering system, we don't need spam identifying or TF scoring tools. I tend to disagree. I'm using two different Spam-tagging tools: At work SpamPal and at home SpamAssassin (I've set it up last weekend, to finally see what we were discussing about). They do _both_ do a good job in supporting me while recognizing Spam. Both only _tag_ possible spam, TB! filter it to a dedicated folder (to avoid loosing mails by a false positive). And both have capabilities TB! can't offer. Don't get me wrong: TB! does an excellent job in mail filtering, and I think you're right it can be set up to identify most of incoming spam by itself; but keeping spam filter in TB! up-to-date can be a hard job. Developing them in the first instance can even be harder if one don't want to filter too restrictive and end up in too many false positives. Using additional software as an _enhancement_ of TB!s filter capabilities makes a lot of sense to me; take SpamAssassin for example: It's filter rules are much more complex than TB! can do with it's current filter engine; additionally it does not tag any mail as spam that contains the words 'sex' and 'free offer' as spam. It gives 'points' to several criteria. If a threshold of points is reached, THAN the message is tagged. But it also has negative points: taken your engaged discussion some time ago if The Bat! X-Mailer header should be a criteria for recognizing spam: I've had a look at the rules: X-Mailer: The Bat! ... is in fact a criteria for _lowering_ points. I've added an additional rule for giving an exact hit of: X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52f) Business positive points and therefore _here_ normal TB! user get a 'bonus' while the string known to be misused triggers a hit. Another thing SpamAssassin is capable of is recognizing 'HTML only' mails; means mails w/o content type 'text/plain' which indicates with good chances this is spam, as a normal OE or any other MUA that sends HTML mails usual send content type 'multipart/alternative'. Then you could set it up to parse 'Received' lines and check found IPs against RBL for identifying mail that came through a known 'spam host'. Quite hard to do with TB!, isn't it? :-) So to sum up: as good as filter capabilities of The Bat! are: external spam recognizing tool, specialized to do exactly one thing: recognizing spam, are a good addition in 'fighting spam' :-) And tools like SpamAssassin that don't rely on _one_ criteria are IMNSHO the way to do it :-))) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Hartley's Second Law: Never sleep with anyone crazier than yourself. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing message from Calypso to theBat
Hmm, I am not quite sure what I am talking about, but can't you bind the attachments to the messages in Calypso (like they were originally sent) and then export the messages to UNIX MBX format, and these import into TB!? Hi, unfortunately I did not find any way to bind the attachment. When I export from Calypso I have a txt created and an attachments folder where all the attachments are. This is part of the header of each email in the txt file X-CalypsoFolder: eDreams\Nicola X-CalypsoMsgFlags: 0x20004 0x1 X-Attachment: .\Attachments\restartscript-05AD8C00.vbs; restartscript.vbs I'm really getting mad on this trying to find a solution !! :-) Thanks Mario Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A Plan for Spam
Hello Peter, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:23:55 +0200 GMT (29/08/02, 13:23 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: TF Alas, with TB's filtering system, we don't need spam identifying or TF scoring tools. PP I tend to disagree. PP Don't get me wrong: TB! does an excellent job in mail filtering, and I PP think you're right it can be set up to identify most of incoming spam PP by itself; but keeping spam filter in TB! up-to-date can be a hard PP job. No. You got me wrong here: I do not have a single spam filter in TB. I have filters for all legit mail. What stays in the *Inbox* is either spam, or a first contact that hasn't been added to any of the other filters yet (and could be called a false positive). I receive around 100-200 mails per day, inclduing an average of, say, 10 spammails. For my purposes, my way of using TB's filters (and thus *not* filtering spam as the only kind of email) is sufficient. If, however, you are the postmaster of an ISP and receive 800 messages per day, mostly first contacts, my method will not be sufficient for you and you might want to look into spamfilters. For me it would be an overkill, whether I use Bayes' Theorem or Einstein's Relativity Theory. PP So to sum up: as good as filter capabilities of The Bat! are: PP external spam recognizing tool, specialized to do exactly one PP thing: recognizing spam, are a good addition in 'fighting spam' PP :-) And tools like SpamAssassin that don't rely on _one_ criteria PP are IMNSHO the way to do it :-))) For 'fighting spam' I use SpamCop. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sign in a London department store: BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL Digest and attached messages
On 28 August 2002 at 17:39:58, David wrote: ... David I did some further testing about this and I discovered the following: David When I look at a digest message with source view (F9) I see the David following: F9 yeah, thanks for reminding me. ... David As you can see the message contains two times the line David Content-Type:. But with two different boundaries. Now when I David delete the whole digest text and replace the boundary from the David headers with the boundary from the digest messages (with a text David editor). And then import it back in TB! and apply the filter, David the filter works. All I'm doing is looking at the digest source view so I could be wrong, but I think there are five parts to each digest. 1 some general information about the list 2 (since Vol 3 Issue 3) a Reply-To line, but unfortunately this is in the body of the digest not the header 3 a list of the topics 4 the messages themselves (as an embedded multipart) 5 some more general information about the list There could be good reasons for the digest having been implemented in this way, but my personal view is it would be better to have 1+n parts to the digest: the first part containing whatever general information is thought appropriate; subsequent parts containing the messages. This would be the equivalent of my typing the general information in the body of the email and attaching each of the messages in turn. My personal view is I don't need too much general information, just what's currently in part 1, maybe including explicit instructions on how to unsubscribe. I've no doubt that work is going on behind the scenes to address points that have been made here and elsewhere, and I wouldn't want this email to be interpreted as negative criticism. David So it seems that the digest information is causing TB! to fail David to extract the .msg files from the message. I'm not currently trying to explode digests, so I don't know whether what I suggested above would help with this. -- Keith Anderson The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL Digest and attached messages
Hello David, On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 18:39:58 +0200, you wrote concerning 'TBUDL Digest and attached messages': ... So it seems that the digest information is causing TB! to fail to extract the .msg files from the message. I have to correct myself here. It's not the digest information causing TB! to fail to extract the .msg files from the message, but it's because there are _two_ different boundaries in each digest message. If I change the message, so that there is just one boundary, the filter extracts the .msg files just fine. I'm no expert on RFC's and MIME so can somebody tell me if this is incorrect MIME-coding or just a bug from TB!. Because it's not really necessary to use two different boundaries. The message displays just fine with only one. And secondly, if I create such a message in TB! (with multiple .msg files attached), TB! also uses only one boundary. -- Best regards, David ** The mind is the standard of the man. ** [TB! 1.61] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
email addresses in the archive
Hi I think it would be a good thing if personal email addresses didn't appear in the archive. In another mailman list to which I'm subscribed, the person's email address is replaced by that of the list. Cheers Keith -- Keith Anderson The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
Dear Keith, Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 10:53:12 AM you wrote: KA I think it would be a good thing if personal email addresses didn't KA appear in the archive. In another mailman list to which I'm KA subscribed, the person's email address is replaced by that of the KA list. I do not agree. Sometimes, you might want to answer directly to the author rather than to the list, perhaps because your answer is off topic. Also, I find that the most problems and noise come from people who write anonymously. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Nobody is gonna kiss this sweet prince goodnight! ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7Ba40-6E8D5) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transparent Mail Ticker?
Hello Ben, 28. avgust 2002, 23:18:37, you wrote: JS The APIs required for transparency are only available in Windows 2000 JS and newer... BK This doesn't include Windows ME btw (which was released shortly after BK Win2k) No, only 2k/XP. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.60d on Windows 2000 5.0.2195.Service Pack 2] Once you open a can of worms, the only way to recan them is to use a larger can. (Old worms never die, they just worm their way into larger cans.) -- Zymurgy's First Law of Evolving Systems Dynamics Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(OT) Suggestion for abuser
Hello, This is not directly related to this list but it is e-mail related. Someone is using my e-mail account to send out viruses to a bunch of people. He is only showing my e-mail address as the sender it does not seem like he has my password. Anything I can do about this? Also the bounced messages from server who detect this virus send it back to me with the infected attachments and my virus protection deletes my whole messages.tbb file. Suggestions? -- Best, Alaeddin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows2000 SP3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
Dear Alaeddin, Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 9:39:46 AM you wrote: AM He is only showing my e-mail address as the sender it does AM not seem like he has my password. Anything I can do about this? I think some of the worms, like Klez, uses this method. AM Also the bounced messages from server who detect this virus send AM it back to me with the infected attachments and my virus protection AM deletes my whole messages.tbb file. AM Suggestions? I have had those responses too. I even know someone who keeps receiving worms, apparently send by me. I always answer that I use The Bat! and therefore do not spread virus or worms, like e.g. Outlook or Outlook Express. Then I hear no more from them. I have - of course - made a quicktemplate for that purpose ;-) -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... It's the millennium, motives are incidental. ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7Ba40-6E8D5) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Password protection
Hello all, I would like to protect my address books that are saved on a shared PC. I believe the only choice I have is to password protect the mail directory. Any instructions on how to do that on Windows 2000? -- Best, Alaeddin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows2000 SP3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
Quoting Alaeddin Muntasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, This is not directly related to this list but it is e-mail related. Someone is using my e-mail account to send out viruses to a bunch of people. He is only showing my e-mail address as the sender it does not seem like he has my password. Anything I can do about this? Not really as viruses such as Klez forge from: addresses from other people, or from email addresses on web pages that people visit. All you can hope for is to send a boilerplate response pointing this out. Also the bounced messages from server who detect this virus send it back to me with the infected attachments and my virus protection deletes my whole messages.tbb file. Suggestions? Yes - change your virus software. There is no way it should be wiping that file out! I use AVG and it is intelligent enough to let the AV plugin for the Bat! handle it. What are you using for AV? A -- Best, Alaeddin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows2000 SP3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- [ Adam Rykala ] [ www.new-wales.net ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - pgp private key] -- the [new-wales] project - http://www.new-wales.net Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A Plan for Spam
Hello Thomas, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was written: TF No. You got me wrong here: I do not have a single spam filter in TB. I TF have filters for all legit mail. What stays in the *Inbox* is either TF spam, or a first contact that hasn't been added to any of the other TF filters yet (and could be called a false positive). the very same I did, but then came the many aliases putting all their mail into the same mail box (simply to differ you gets which e-mail-address w/o creating to many 'real' account :-))) ). So some spam end up in aliases folder over here ... TF If, however, you are the postmaster of an ISP Not necessarily an ISP ... I'm postmaster, webmaster, admin-c, tech-c and so on for several hosts and domains ... w/o us being an ISP :-) TF my method will not be sufficient for you and you might want to look TF into spamfilters. Exactly :-) TF For me it would be an overkill, whether I use Bayes' Theorem or TF Einstein's Relativity Theory. What about 'Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle'? Ain't there some 'uncertainty' about if the bold letters indicate 'new legitimate mail' or spam? *SCNR* TF For 'fighting spam' I use SpamCop. ;-) So I do ... in addition to first 'quarantining' possible spam for better diversion between which folder to finish reading and which one to handle afterwards :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) If you don't say What? it's not loud enough. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing message from Calypso to theBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi mdc74, 29-Aug-2002, 09:44 +0200 (08:44 UK time) mdc74 said: I'm really getting mad on this trying to find a solution !! :-) Here's a slightly obtuse thought... Do you have a local email server? Could you install one - even as a temporary measure? Is Calypso able to MIME-forward messages? You could MIME-forward all of these messages en-masse to yourself on the local email server and download them into TB that way. You can then un-pack them from the MIME digest into TB folders. Other than that, what export formats *does* Calypso have? Are there any intermediary formats that could be used ... e.g. export Calypso to OE then import OE format to TB. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9bfMDOeQkq5KdzaARAjoWAJ9XzaP//KrmxgHC9dceC73+nPCpzQCfT94Q nSf6lNxbRD2hS1w2ZNYxI5Q= =PrMw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: email addresses in the archive
On 29 August 2002 at 10:03:38, tbudl wrote: Britt Dear Keith, Britt Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 10:53:12 AM you wrote: KA I think it would be a good thing if personal email addresses didn't KA appear in the archive. In another mailman list to which I'm KA subscribed, the person's email address is replaced by that of the KA list. Britt I do not agree. Sometimes, you might want to answer directly to the Britt author rather than to the list, perhaps because your answer is off Britt topic. Britt Also, I find that the most problems and noise come from people who Britt write anonymously. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. The emails which are sent out should retain the address of the sender for the reasons you outline. My concern is that personal email addresses are appearing on a publicly available web page which could be the target of email address harvesters. -- Keith Anderson The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alaeddin, @29-Aug-2002, 11:39 +0400 (08:39 UK time) Alaeddin Muntasser [AM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AM ... Someone is using my e-mail account to send out viruses ... AM Anything I can do about this? No. This is the Klez worm virus putting your address into the from field when sending out viruses from an infected system, having found your address in the infected PC's address book. AM Also the bounced messages from server who detect this virus send AM it back to me with the infected attachments and my virus AM protection deletes my whole messages.tbb file. AM Suggestions? Send a message to the source of the alert telling them to contact the infected person and not the person in the faked From header. Tell them to stop spamming you and to modify their AV policy not to spam anyone else otherwise they will get into trouble with their ISP. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9bfHEOeQkq5KdzaARAnrIAKDAf7vTTalaNB0LO0b3DUku6wQIYQCfeXpX ruY4kJhk60H4tKPvP1SJMXE= =xKnA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
...e-dress book...
I know and use the regular way of adding email addresses to address book. Initially it seems that the registration of an address is that the process is pretty much like putting the First/Middle/Last thus creating Display name as ie. FIRST NAME = Gary MIDDLE NAME = LAST NAME = Peterson DISPLAY NAME AS = Gary Peterson Is there any way to use macroes so that the date and time upon registration becomes the DISPLAY NAME AS ie. FIRST NAME = Gary MIDDLE NAME = LAST NAME = Peterson DISPLAY NAME AS = 2002-07-09-23:48 ? / St Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, @29-Aug-2002, 09:53 Keith Anderson [KA] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: KA I think it would be a good thing if personal email addresses KA didn't appear in the archive. In another mailman list to which KA I'm subscribed, the person's email address is replaced by that KA of the list. While that's a nice thought, it's not an option. Perhaps we should turn off the MailMan archives. The old www.mail-archive.com archives are still working. Maybe we should settle for just having those and scrap the local version? Any thoughts? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9bfiBOeQkq5KdzaARAprQAKCzN/WVxGr1UCE+rdu3NZ83S6PAQgCgytrb 9SXxDiS2AA2tLVDLM1lbfC8= =p56n -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, @29-Aug-2002, 11:17 Keith Anderson [KA] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: KA My concern is that personal email addresses are appearing on a KA publicly available web page which could be the target of email KA address harvesters. Not really. The page is a virtual page, constructed on-the-fly in response to clicking around and selecting viewing criteria. Addresses are not exposed in the conventional sense. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9bfr/OeQkq5KdzaARAiA5AKDMmwBYEbxI3nK8h7xKvFOx6+NdEwCglC/b IWtqVy3XbLbBVCxEDVqYKs0= =d90c -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
Hello Adam, Thursday, August 29, 2002, 2:06:59 PM, you wrote: AR Not really as viruses such as Klez forge from: addresses from other people, or AR from email addresses on web pages that people visit. All you can hope for is to AR send a boilerplate response pointing this out. It is gettign real bad lately I am getting 20-30 complaints daily. One Sys admin sent me the full source of the e-mail and found the originating IP and it was from brazil. I complained through spam cop to them. but nothing changed. AR What are you using for AV? F-Secure. Can not change it it is corporate standard. NO apparent E-mail protection -- Alaeddin Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows2000 SP3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Completely OT quick question re dial-up connection
On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 12:18:42 PM, DG Raftery Sr. wrote: DRS Not sure why your dialup setting is not retaining the proper password DRS however the password display (i.e. ) will always display more DRS or less asterisks than your actual password (I believe Win2k defaults to 16). I didn't know that, was putting the connection failure down to a password error. I've tried again, it all works now, so I assume the connection failure was caused by some other, transient, problem. Thanks for the response. I *knew* somebody on here would be able to help :-) Deborah Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
Hallo The, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:39:46 +0400GMT (29-8-02, 10:39 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: AM F-Secure. Can not change it it is corporate standard. Can't you tell F-Secure to skip your mail-directory when scanning/monitoring? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing message from Calypso to theBat
Do you have a local email server? Could you install one - even as a temporary measure? Nope, I don't have one. I should try to find one and install it but this is really my last choice, only if I don't find any other solution. Other than that, what export formats *does* Calypso have? Are there any intermediary formats that could be used ... e.g. export Calypso to OE then import OE format to TB. Calypso does only export to txt file in Unix Mailbox format. The only problem is that instead of embedding the attachment it saves it in another folder and in the txt it write something like: X-Attachment: .\Attachments\file.jpg; file.jpg Then I tried to import it to Eudora but I have to deeply modify the structure of the .txt to have Eudora recognizes the attachment. Netscape mail doesn't get the attchment and I didn't find any useful importing features in Outlook Express. I also tried with Mailbag Assistant and a couple of other converting tools but none of them was able to preserve attachments. Thanks Mario MDC - http://www.emmedici.com --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aol Instant Messanger: wbyeats74 Yahoo! Messanger: wbyeats74 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: email addresses in the archive
Dear Keith, Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 12:17:55 PM you wrote: KA My concern is that personal email addresses are appearing on a KA publicly available web page which could be the target of email address KA harvesters. Okay, then. Yes, you are probably right. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Not in *my* movie! ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7Ba40-6E8D5) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Password protection
Hello Alaeddin, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 at 12:04:02 [GMT +0400], you wrote: AM Hello all, I would like to protect my address books that are saved AM on a shared PC. I believe the only choice I have is to password AM protect the mail directory. Any instructions on how to do that on AM Windows 2000? If you have ownership of the shared folder (right click the folder, security tab, advanced, owner tab), then I'd change the permissions tab where everyone has no access, and add your username with full control. You might want to check with the sys admins to see if they've done anything at the policy level to prevent this from working, or if they'll give you permissions to take ownership provided you leave whatever group are the backup operators with at least read access). If they are using folder redirection (which shouldn't be the case, because the mail directory does not *normally* reside in My Documents, Desktop, or Application Data), then the sys admins can set the policy for this to enable exclusive access (for the user who it affects). I only mention this, because I've seen cases where sys admins forced data files to be stored in the Application Data or My Documents folder (by changing the path in the actual application), and then have a GPO redirection to a UNC shared drive on a server for backup purposes. My guess is that you'll be able to do the first one and get what you want. Just remember, admin is god. You're not going to be able to stop them from poking around in that directory, but you should be able to keep out your co-workers. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: Due to the outbreak of AIDS, employees will no longer be permitted to kiss the boss's ass. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roelof, @29-Aug-2002, 13:11 +0200 (12:11 UK time) Roelof Otten [RO] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AM F-Secure. Can not change it it is corporate standard. RO Can't you tell F-Secure to skip your mail-directory when RO scanning/monitoring? moderator Can we reign in this branch of the thread as a misunderstanding? The problem is not Alaeddin's AV, but that of some sys-admins down the line who are responding inappropriately to received infections and blaming Alaeddin for sending them when he did not. /moderator Alaeddin: you have made a fundamental mistake - *nobody* is using your account. The virus mails just have your address in a faked header. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9bgvmOeQkq5KdzaARAoH1AKC6UvzXpga5uoxLsIgvlHd2tzqVKACgtsl0 nil3z6LGYVMM1fAAnEzpDHI= =xFVp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 12:04, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Send a message to the source of the alert telling them to contact the infected person and not the person in the faked From header. Tell them to stop spamming you and to modify their AV policy not to spam anyone else otherwise they will get into trouble with their ISP. In addition, it sounds like a bad idea to include the infected file in the return mail. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 12:33, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: While that's a nice thought, it's not an option. Perhaps we should turn off the MailMan archives. The old www.mail-archive.com archives are still working. Maybe we should settle for just having those and scrap the local version? Any thoughts? The new archive does not support searching (at least not yet), does not include mails older than the date of the server switch and does include email addresses which I and apparently others do not want. The old archives does support searching, does include all mails and does not show addresses. All good stuff. If the old archive will continue archiving new mails I vote for scrapping the new archive. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat!'s html viewer
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 2:09:35 PM, Daniel Grunberg wrote: DG How can I turn on TheBat!'s html viewer? Options - Preferences - Message Viewer - View messages using (drop-down menu - choose html viewer) Deborah Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat!'s html viewer
Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:27:17[GMT +0100] (9:27 AM EDST) Deborah W wrote: On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 2:09:35 PM, Daniel Grunberg wrote: DG How can I turn on TheBat!'s html viewer? Options - Preferences - Message Viewer - View messages using (drop-down menu - choose html viewer) Thank you, Deborah -- Dan Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Edit shortcuts
I swear I've seen this posted before but a real quick search of the archives came up empty so if anyone has a quick answer I'd appreciate it. How can you edit keyboard shortcuts? Every time I try I get a you have errors message and can't save the changes. Shoot, just opening the editor and trying to close it with the default shortcuts gives me the error message. Thanks, -- ò¸ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! 1.61] [OS: Windows ME 4 90] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Color Groups
Bat Men (and Women), Could someone offer me a simple explanation of Color Groups. I thought I knew what it was for until I read the help item for it. Now I am lost. Sorry if this seems simple. Preferably, if someone could explain a practical use for it, I would really appreciate it. Dan -- Using The Bat! v1.60m on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
Reply to message sent 8/29/2002, 08:53:49 (8:53 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Dan, Preferably, if someone could explain a practical use for it, I would really appreciate it. An example of how I use them: I am subscribe to to many board game lists. I filter them all into one main folder, then as read into separate folders for archiving. In the receiving I color code the various posts for each group so at a quick glance I know where each message is from as I'm reading through them all. Actually, I do this for TB! also. All the various lists come into a single folder for reading but TBUDL has one color, TBBETA has another, etc. Maybe not the best use of colors, but it works great for my purposes. -- ò.ó Nick Danger Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 15:53, Emaillists wrote: Could someone offer me a simple explanation of Color Groups. I thought I knew what it was for until I read the help item for it. Now I am lost. Sorry if this seems simple. Preferably, if someone could explain a practical use for it, I would really appreciate it. I use it for TBUDL and TBBETA to mark answers to messages written by myself with a different colour. Comes in handy when browsing through a large number of received messages. My colour marking filter looks like below. This catches messages both to TBUDL and TBBETA and colour marks them before the appropriate filter moves them to the correct folder. BeginFilter Name: In reply to me Active: 1 Source: \\marcus\Inbox Target: \\marcus\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: 40^In-reply.*\d@.*canit.se AltSet:1: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AltSet:1: 40^References.*\d@.*canit.se Actions: faoContinueProcessing,faoRegExp,faSetColor AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: In reply to me AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Color Groups
At 9:53 AM on Thursday, August 29, 2002 Emaillists [E] wrote the following about [Color Groups]: E [...] I knew what it was for until I read the E help item for it. Now I am lost. Sorry if this E seems simple. Preferably, if someone could E explain a practical use for it, I would really E appreciate it. It can have many uses. Here are three examples: TB! users have access to several groups: Users, Tech, Off Topic. I, for one, filter all TB! msgs to one folder while others may filter each group to their own folder. I could use color filters to identify which group the msg was from by color assignment for fast visual identification. Example2: I filter both msgs from a group my responses to the group to one folder. However, when my msgs come back to me, they are filtered marked by a special color so I just ignore them automatically. Just for kicks I also decided to color my spam to see what kind of spam I was getting -- financial [green] or sex [red]. I'm sure others have more sophisticated useful ideas for color filters. HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 2:53:49 PM, Emaillists wrote: ECould someone offer me a simple explanation of Color Groups. I E thought I knew what it was for until I read the help item for it. Now E I am lost. Sorry if this seems simple. Preferably, if someone could E explain a practical use for it, I would really appreciate it. You know how you can flag a message to make it stand out from the others in the message list? Colour groups do the same thing - except they allow you to have numerous flags, using different colours fonts to make things stand out for differing reasons. An example: let's say you belong to a mailing list sometimes a post comes in that you want to reply to, but you don't have time right now, or want to think about what you want to say for a while first. You could use a colour group called (for example) Reply to this so you don't lose the post, or forget. Let's say there's someone on that list whose posts are always terrific, you want to highlight them - you could use another colour group (maybe call it Great advice) to highlight those. You could even set up a filter to automatically apply that colour group to that person's posts when they're received. You can also filter messages on the criteria of what colour group they are. And maybe there are snippets of info on the list from time to time which apply to specific concerns. You could just flag the messages, but you could use a different colour group for each concern - that makes it really easy to find a specific message later. You could use a colour group to mark messages you want to reply to, as I've mentioned, another colour group to mark those you've already replied to - at a glance you can see whether you'd planned to reply to anything else. Lots of possibilities - colour groups are a terrific feature :-) Does that help? -- Deborah Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Emaillists wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: E Could someone offer me a simple explanation of Color Groups. Like most things in better software, there are multiple uses for it, depending on your purposes and your tech tolerance. In short, you can assign different colors to messages. Each color you set up has a label, e.g., Follow up, Urgent, etc. You can assign the color grouping to a particular message manually through the Specials menu or a keyboard shortcut, or you can assign it automatically through TB!'s filtering function. If you want, you can have the name of the color group show up as a column in your message list view. Once messages are grouped in color groups, you can use them in basically three ways. By simply looking at the folder, you can eyeball which messages are assigned to particular color groups, and you can deal with them accordingly. Or, you can search by color group. I do this, by assigning a Follow up color group but not otherwise interfering with the filtering rules I have set up; periodically I search for messages with that color grouping, and get a search result that gives me all messages with that color assignment across all folders. Or, you can manually (or automatically) filter for color grouped messages, moving or copying them to a folder you set up for that purpose. You could look at it as adding a new dimension or axis to the way that your messages are currently sorted. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edit shortcuts
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Nick Danger wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ND How can you edit keyboard shortcuts? Alt+F12 -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JR Just for kicks I also decided to color my spam JR to see what kind of spam I was getting -- JR financial [green] or sex [red]. And...? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Integrating TB! with EccoPro
Some of us here use both TB! and the EccoPro PIM. Others on the Tom Hoots Ecco list are looking for a way to Integrate EccoPro w/ an email client. Naturally, I recommended TB! As is, since TB! is my default MAPI agent, Ecco will call TB! for generating email and fill in the address with the email address given in the active Ecco Phonebook Item and will summon a TB! View Window when a message as saved (i.e. as an *.ëml or *.msg) and linked to Ecco via OLE2. Additional automation is desired by some. However, since TB! messages are not individual items but rather, contained in each folder's message data base, each and every message will have to be saved individually, in order to provide full integration with Ecco. I suggested that a TB! filter /or macro capable of generating an *.ëml or *.msg file and linking that file to the appropriate Ecco Phonebook record could possibly be created. What do some of you advanced TB! users think about the feasibility of that? TIA Douglas Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edit shortcuts
Reply to message sent 8/29/2002, 16:50:50 (9:50 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Peter, Sure this are really 'default shortcuts'? Close TB!, rename 'ShortCut.CFG' Interesting, this cured the problem! I wonder if the shortcuts problem was some left over remnant from a beta. Everything looked exactly the same, same conflicts, same warnings, but it did allow me to hit the OK button and close this go round. This was the first time I tried to edit the shortcuts so I'm pretty sure it was the default settings. Either way, it works now - Thanks! -- ò.ó Nick Danger Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 3:44:09 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Just for kicks I also decided to color my spam JR to see what kind of spam I was getting -- JR financial [green] or sex [red]. Interesting colour choices. Financial I can see - green money all - but red for sex? Hmmm...I can think of a number of explanations for that one - but I'm not going to ask G -- Deborah Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Marcus Ohlström wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MO My colour marking filter looks like below. Marcus, What is the source of the text you provided? Is that a printout of a portion of the Sorting Office filter file, or are you creating a separate file for your filter and linking it somehow to TB!? Or something altogether different -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems connecting to IMAP with TLS.
Hello Preston, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was written: PK However, whenever I try to check the mail in that account, The Bat! PK always tries to use the standard imap port (143). How do I change this PK behavior? You can't. PK I was wondering if anyone else had this problem, Yes. Everybody using TB!. PK and if so, how did you fix it? Nobody 'fixes' it. The solution is as simple as unsatisfying: TB! ignores SSL/TLS settings when protocol is IMAP. TB! is not capable to use SSL or STARTTLS on IMAP connections. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) How we break each others hearts and cause each other pain. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
Hi Marck, on Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:33:35 +0100GMT (29.08.02, 12:33 +0200GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MDP Perhaps we should turn off the MailMan archives. The old MDP www.mail-archive.com archives are still working. Maybe we should MDP settle for just having those and scrap the local version? I want to second what Marcus said. I don't like to have my address on a website either. If it's possible to go back to the old archive, please do so. :-) -- Cheers Peter PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
Hello Alaeddin, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:39:46 +0400 GMT (29/08/02, 14:39 +0700 GMT), Alaeddin Muntasser wrote: AM Also the bounced messages from server who detect this virus send AM it back to me with the infected attachments and my virus protection AM deletes my whole messages.tbb file. I had a similar experience but with spam, not a virus. The headers provided me with the actual source, and I strongly complained to the postmaster and to abuse that ISP, with a copy to my own ISP (so they know it wasn't me sending spam). The postmaster of the originating message's ISP (which was of course bounced to me several times, that's how I knew about it), replied that they not only cancelled the sender's account (which they could track through the dial-up connection's IP), but they told me they were actually suing him now. Do the headers in the bounced message give you a clue where it was originally sent from? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems connecting to IMAP with TLS.
Hello Peter, Thursday, August 29, 2002, 11:06:01 AM, you wrote: --snip-- Nobody 'fixes' it. The solution is as simple as unsatisfying: TB! ignores SSL/TLS settings when protocol is IMAP. TB! is not capable to use SSL or STARTTLS on IMAP connections. --snip-- Are there any plans to support this? This is a crucial question, because we're considering the possibility of using this as our email client within our company. However, if IMAPS is not supported, and isn't planned, we'll have to look somewhere else. -- Preston Kutzner | IT Manager Marketing Resources, Inc. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Color Groups
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 at 16:39 GMT +0100 (11:39 AM, 8/29/2002 where I live), Deborah W [DW] wrote to Jan Rifkinson [jr] @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to Color Groups: JR Just for kicks I also decided to color my spam JR to see what kind of spam I was getting -- JR financial [green] or sex [red]. DW Interesting colour choices. Financial I can DW see - green money all - but red for sex? DW Hmmm...I can think of a number of explanations DW for that one - but I'm not going to ask G Good. It could all be bull anyway. :-) -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems connecting to IMAP with TLS.
Hello Preston, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was written: TB! is not capable to use SSL or STARTTLS on IMAP connections. PK Are there any plans to support this? I don't know. But even if: definitely not for 1.x. And 2.x final is not expected before Q2-Q3/2003. PK -- PK Preston Kutzner | IT Manager PK Marketing Resources, Inc. Your signature delimiter is broken. Should be '-- ' (dashdashspaceenter), yours seem to miss the (important!) space. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) My phone is baroque -- please call Bach ! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Color Groups
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 at 10:14 GMT -0500 (11:14 AM, 8/29/2002 where I live), Joseph N. [JN] wrote to Jan Rifkinson [jr] @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to Color Groups: JR Just for kicks I also decided to color my JR spam to see what kind of spam I was getting JR -- financial [green] or sex [red]. JN And...? Let's just say they've cancelled each other out, kinda like life. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems connecting to IMAP with TLS.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Peter Palmreuther wrote... The solution is as simple as unsatisfying: TB! ignores SSL/TLS settings when protocol is IMAP. TB! is not capable to use SSL or STARTTLS on IMAP connections. TB! IMAP support in general is rather poor, so for it not to support TLS/SSL isn't that surprising really ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPW5QyCuD6BT4/R9zEQIs9QCbBwfM8dBMpXmovhkmCFZiqTn0NOIAnRI/ BUDIh4MXVlA0+X0CQjmDEEui =L4gi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Peter Meyns wrote... MDP Perhaps we should turn off the MailMan archives. The old MDP www.mail-archive.com archives are still working. Maybe we should MDP settle for just having those and scrap the local version? I want to second what Marcus said. I don't like to have my address on a website either. If it's possible to go back to the old archive, please do so. :-) I believe the old archive is still active, as in it is still subscribed to the list. That archive works (if I remember correctly) having a 'bot' subscribed to the list which then writes the email to an archive. The mailman archives can be tweaked, but it lacks a good search feature, something I wish they'd implement. As far as I remember I think Marck said that he was still archiving the mail via the old system too. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPW5RgSuD6BT4/R9zEQKqoQCfce7Tu5SrzMPzE8X/j0NHD3ptKfYAoJka ujrfXZc4akL7m3zISv1lggQ0 =Dxoh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, @29-Aug-2002, 18:23 +0200 (17:23 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PM I want to second what Marcus said. I don't like to have my PM address on a website either. If it's possible to go back to the PM old archive, please do so. :-) It's not a question of going back - we never left! It's just a matter of turning off the new one. I think I'm going to do just that - - right now. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9blctOeQkq5KdzaARAmGyAJ9+Hq5wS/2tRZFDcgzri+EwDwF19wCg71Zg n/xjBOgS5+rs2OtSPI02Pzs= =SYDo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
Hello Emaillists, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:53:49 -0500 GMT (29/08/02, 20:53 +0700 GMT), Emaillists wrote: E Preferably, if someone could explain a practical use for it, I E would really appreciate it. This hasn't been mentioned yet: My first filter in my company account marked all messages where my boss'es address was in the headers as blue. The filter was also set to Continue with other filters. This way, if I saw a blue message in any folder, I was instantly aware that my boss had been copied in (or the he had even sent the message). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The passive voice is to be avoided. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
Hi Jonathan, on Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:53:11 -0500GMT (29.08.02, 18:53 +0200GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I want to second what Marcus said. I don't like to have my address on a website either. If it's possible to go back to the old archive, please do so. :-) JA I believe the old archive is still active, as in it is still subscribed JA to the list. So it would be easy to just turn the other one off. I haven't used the archive in a while myself - my concern is, that I don't prefer to have my personal email address published on a webpage. It will sooner or later be harvested by some spammers' crawlers. I already received spam on an address that is only used on a site that isn't ready yet. So there is only one page with physical and email address (info@...) -- Cheers Peter PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Winamp currently playing: Blue Öyster Cult - Death Valley Nights Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alaeddin, @29-Aug-2002, 11:39 +0400 (08:39 UK time) Alaeddin Muntasser [AM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AM Also the bounced messages from server who detect this virus send AM it back to me with the infected attachments This actually constitutes a deliberate malicious attack and the perpetrator should be reported to their upstream ISP / host service. It's one thing when a virus propagates itself. It's another when a server deliberately targets an unconfirmed sender address. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9blntOeQkq5KdzaARAmVoAKCbrEPWOeQJPqnAcKmDvodwzmnWkACg0vVh rb8Wm6wL5NsAghZFoa/HpEA= =s1N8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems connecting to IMAP with TLS.
Hello Preston, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:31:05 -0500 GMT (29/08/02, 23:31 +0700 GMT), Preston Kutzner wrote: PK Are there any plans to support this? This is a crucial question, PK because we're considering the possibility of using this as our email PK client within our company. However, if IMAPS is not supported, PK and isn't planned, we'll have to look somewhere else. v2 will definitely support full IMAP, as I have heard. I don't know about SSL/TLS via IMAP, but I think it would be worth contacting the developers about this. Tell them that the fixed IMAP port superseding your TLS port setting is a bug. As I know them, they will listen. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Betamaxed: When a technology is overtaken in the market by inferior but better marketed competition as in Microsoft betamaxed Apple right out of the market. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
Hi Marck, on Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:17:30 +0100GMT (29.08.02, 19:17 +0200GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM I want to second what Marcus said. I don't like to have my address on PM a website either. If it's possible to go back to the old archive, PM please do so. :-) MDP I think I'm going to do just that - right now. Very good! Thank you! :-)) -- Cheers Peter PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Winamp currently playing: Aimee Mann - You Could Make A Killing Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (OT) Suggestion for abuser
Hello Alaeddin, 29. avgust 2002, 9:39:46, you wrote: AM This is not directly related to this list but it is e-mail related. AM Someone is using my e-mail account to send out viruses to a bunch of AM people. He is only showing my e-mail address as the sender it does AM not seem like he has my password. Anything I can do about this? Had this problem twice already - first time in February - I got home after 1 week, and got about 300 messages in style you have a virus... I took some time and answered all the messages that came from real people, and those from bots which seemed to lead to a working e-mail address. Some people then actually wrote that they disabled the autoresponders. The second time was about a month ago, when Klez sent itself twice to gimpwin-dev yahoo group, and I again got a bunch of autoreplies... AM Suggestions? If you can get ahold of the original virus message, find out from which ISP did it come and MIME-forward it to abuse@ or postmaster@ that ISP. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.60d on Windows 2000 5.0.2195.Service Pack 2] Too often I find that the volume of paper expands to fill the available briefcases. -- (Jerry) Brown's Law Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
ON Thursday, August 29, 2002, 6:40:47 PM, you wrote: JR Let's just say they've cancelled each other out, JR kinda like life. Jan, You must have had a different math class then most of us ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Maier's Law - If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Refilter double
I click Refilter Inbox, and my Inbox doubles in size. I play around a while, but I am still perplexed! -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JR Just for kicks I also decided to color my JR spam to see what kind of spam I was getting JR -- financial [green] or sex [red]. JN And...? JR Let's just say they've cancelled each other out, JR kinda like life. Oh, how true, how true! -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Deborah W wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DW Let's say there's someone on that list whose posts are always DW terrific, you want to highlight them - you could use another DW colour group (maybe call it Great advice) to highlight those. Deborah, If the view is set to thread by reference, is there a way to explode the thread initially, or if a color group is triggered, in order to be able to see whether that great advice is in the folder? -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: email addresses in the archive
KA My concern is that personal email addresses are appearing on a KA publicly available web page which could be the target of email KA address harvesters. MDP Not really. The page is a virtual page, constructed on-the-fly in MDP response to clicking around and selecting viewing criteria. MDP Addresses are not exposed in the conventional sense. ok, that defeats the simpler harvesters, but an advanced one can still obtain the page. And email-viruses that scan the IE cache can find those pages too. -- Ricardo M. Reyes | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Mar del Plata - Argentina) | Usando The Bat! 1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, 17:17, Joseph N. wrote: What is the source of the text you provided? Is that a printout of a portion of the Sorting Office filter file I guess you could call it that. You can copy a filter my marking it in the sorting office and hitting ctrl-c. Then you can paste it with ctrl-v, either into another place of the sorting office or - as I did - into your editor of choice. If you would like to use my filter, you can copy everything from BeginFilter to EndFilter (including those two lines) and then paste it into the sorting office. Don't forget to edit the filter first to suit your setup (account structure and email domain should be changed in this case). -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Color Groups
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, Marcus Ohlström wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MO Then you can paste it with ctrl-v, either into another place of MO the sorting office or - as I did - into your editor of choice. Marcus, Had no idea it could work like that. Thanks. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Color Groups
Hi Gerard. At 2:04 PM on Thursday, August 29, 2002 you [G] wrote the following about 'Color Groups': JR Let's just say they've cancelled each other out, JR kinda like life. G You must have had a different math class then G most of us ;-) Or. most of you have had more luck than I've had. :-) -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.61/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Nod32 Plugin
Hello TheBat! UDL List, how is the development of the NOD32 plugin in the moment. Is there a new one? Only found that one from April (test Version). -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62/Beta1 System: Windows XP 2600 PGP: PGPckt 6.58 Build: 08 | Key: 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://mirror.at/thebat/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem under WinXP - Hard Disk error message
Hi, I have just re-subscribed to the list, so I don't know whether anyone else has experienced this really strange error. I have just set up The Bat 1.61 on my new WinXP Toshiba laptop. When trying to download my mail from my GMX mailbox I get this error message: -- [Title bar: thebat.exe - No Disk] There is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk0\DR0. Candel -- Try Again -- Continue -- It *only* happens with my GMX account. Weird. All the other accounts are fine. It's a real nuisance, because the only way I can get rid of the message is by aborting the mail download process and then clicking the Cancel button several times. On a couple of occasions, I have actually lost the mail in that process (deleted from server, but not actually arrived in my Inbox). Can anyone help? Regards, Friday, 30 August 2002 12:46 p.m. ~~ Britta The Bat! 1.61[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Stops Picking Up Mail ...
This is an old subject, but since I haven't seen anything about it in awhile, I figured I'd give it another go. Using The Bat 1.61 (I haven't seen a New Features/Fixes list that dictates I should go any higher at this time) on Windows XP. I do not recall this ever happening with 1.5x. Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is the only way out. I'm not alone. Another user is having the same issues as I am. I don't run any consumerware stuff resident (no firewalls, AV software, no other non-well-behaving TSRs). I run Directory Opus and Trillian resident. My other friend isn't running anything different. I was running 1.5x under the same conditions without the issue. Anyone else have a voice on this? Similar experiences? Possible solutions? I cannot recreate it ... and it doesn't happen very often. Maybe once a month; twice at the most. Thanks a bunch! -- Shane R. Monroe Dark Unicorn Productions http://www.darkunicornproductions.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refilter double
Hallo The, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:35:37 -0230GMT (29-8-02, 20:05 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: A I click Refilter Inbox, and my Inbox doubles in size. I play around A a while, but I am still perplexed! Do you have a 'manual only' filter that copies every message (or something like that). -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 22:34, Shane R. Monroe wrote: Sometimes... Out of nowhere ... The Bat just stops picking up mail. Something INTERNAL hangs. NO visible issues - just a strange absence of mail. Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task is the only way out. This may sound really silly, but I'm comming from a programmers point of view with this idea. It'd appear to me that an internal global variable is being set when you go to download your emails... then something may occur to terminate the connection prematurely, then that global variable (probably a boolean) is not reset to the state reporting that it is not doing anything. When this variable is set in a state reporting it is checking mails, all future mail checks are halted as TB! would still think you have a connection (a simple check to see if you have connections by variable instead of attempting to connect, and failing). Now the reason you cannot close TB! is because the OnClose event of the main application looks at this global boolean, and if it is set, it asks if you want to terminate the process, when you click Yes, it cannot find a process to terminate, so doesn't reset the boolean (which is wrong behaviour, but this is a theory)... so you are stuck in a loop. If you click no, it doesn't do anything again. I was running 1.5x under the same conditions without the issue. IIRC, the 1.5x branch didn't have the active processes check for when you exited, instead if there was a running process, it wouldn't close, I don't think this was done via a global boolean of any type (from a theory stand point anyway), but more of a list of active processes. Anyone else have a voice on this? Similar experiences? Possible solutions? Maybe if somebody that has regular contact with the developers (Marck? Allie?) pose the above theory, they may have another stand point to view things from, and may take a look into what may be causing the global boolean not to be reset. Don't forget this is just a silly theory of mine, but I've ran into a similar problem in one of my applications, where it gets stuck in a loop, the first thing is it cannot open a file, but when it tries to close, it tries writing to that file it couldn't find, and causes an error, so you end up stuck. I cannot recreate it ... and it doesn't happen very often. Maybe once a month; twice at the most. Try seeing if you can terminate the connection in an abnormal way, such as 95% the way through picking up the last message, disconnect... *shrugs*... it may have the same effect, or TB! may know how to handle that event properly. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stops Picking Up Mail ...
Hello Shane, On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 at 20:34:19 [GMT -0700], you wrote: SRM Shut down THE BAT, and you get the message similar to There are SRM still operations in progress. Want to exit when they are SRM finished? Neither response allows you exit. Killing THE BAT task SRM is the only way out. You know, I was thinking that it was just a downtrodden install of XP on my laptop (read needs a reformat/reinstall), but I used to get those a lot. I have a new desktop with 2K Pro on it, and haven't seen it since. SRM I don't run any consumerware stuff resident (no firewalls, AV SRM software, no other non-well-behaving TSRs). I run Directory Opus SRM and Trillian resident. My other friend isn't running anything SRM different. The only thing we have in common above is XP and Trillian. I run Kerio Firewall and AVG Anti-Virus (both on desktop and laptop). I should reinstall XP on the laptop, and set up TB on it to see how it fares for a while. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refilter double
Hello, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 at 06:08:43 [GMT +0200], you wrote: A I click Refilter Inbox, and my Inbox doubles in size. I play around A a while, but I am still perplexed! I would suggest disabling all of your filters, and then turning them on one at a time and refiltering. When it doubles, then scrutinize the last filter you re-enabled. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 256MB. Tagline of the day: ...Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Some filtering and misc questions
Bat List Members, Few questions/comments: 1) What if you don't want a message moved, just copied to another folder. It works fine by going under advanced options and selecting the folder to copy messages to, but I still have to select a folder on the main page. Do I just select the main inbox folder again? This seems a little bit of an awkward UI design if that is the case. If you aren't really moving the message I don't think you should be forced to select a folder to move the message to. 2) Before I describe how I'm doing it, let me describe what I am trying to accomplish. I have a mailing list that I'm on that gets all the messages filtered to an appropriate folder. No problem there. Now, like most list there are several gurus on the list that are very helpful. This list is a very high traffic list and if several days go by where I don't get to check the list, I'd like to at least filter out from that folder all the 'gurus' responses to messages and at least read them. To do this I don't want to move the messages I just want to copy the messages with these certain people's e-mail addresses into a separate folder. So what I did was set up a filter and checked just the manual checkbox and set up a filter string of the e-mail addresses I want to filter. Then under the advanced tab I set the copy to folder option and selected the appropriate folder. How do I get this filter to now copy these messages manually? I tried right clicking on the folder and selecting filter and selected the manual filter only (plus checked all the types..read, etc.) but it doesn't work. I'm guessing that it only will filter on messages in the inbox? I know I must just be screwing something up. 3) Does anyone know in a future version of the Bat do they plan on having the TO field addresses wrap on to new lines vs scrolling off to the right? I often start out typing someone's name and having autocomplete fill out the rest but after two or three addresses I then have to go up and make sure I'm adding the correct addresses. It would be so nice to see the addresses wrap on to a new line or at the least keep scrolling to the right as you add them. 4) As a side note to the above it would also be nice of having a cleaner way to add a long filter string of OR type expressions vs having to type it all as one long line separated by carets (|). Thanks for any help comments. -- Rick Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems connecting to IMAP with TLS.
Hi Thomas, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:40:00 +0700 GMT (Aug 29, 23:25 my local time), you [TF] wrote: TF v2 will definitely support full IMAP, as I have heard. what else have you heard about v2? ;) -- Be Well, Sudip Pokhrel Sudip Kathmandu-NP. ___PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185 TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| http://pgpkeys.mit.edu P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| _.. The truth is out there? Does anyone know the URL? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
