Re: Running The Bat on the server of a web hostnig company
Hallo Loan, On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:34:13 -0800GMT (27-2-03, 3:34 +0100, where I live), you wrote: LO Is there a way to install and run The Bat on the server of a web LO hosting company instead of on one's personal computer? No. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Restoring old mail
Hello, Before the 'you're a dunce' comments start I already know! I have directories on my system with lots of old mail from earlier versions of TB! but these directories are only the MAIL files, the executable and general installation files have been deleted. I have a spanking new (well a couple of monthes old actually) installation of TB! 1.62 xmas edition which I use daily. Now I've always been a bit blase with my mail and haven't done proper TB! administered backups. So now what I want to do is access the mail in the old mail folders. I have looked at Synchronistaion - but that doesn't work because the actual installation files of the old mail have been removed. I have looked at Restore - but that doesn't work because I didn't backup the files with TB!. I have also just tried creating a new account with the relevant name (i.e. the name of the directory of the mail I want to see) and TB! tries its best to read the mail but gets a bit confused - using directory names of existing accounts rather than the ones which are in the new directory. So i want to know is this old mail lost (theres 500mb of it!), corrupted, regainable or what - am i being stupid (still) and if any of the above is true have I learnt my lesson about being a little more careful with my mail archive (yes!). any help would be gratefully appreciated [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Restoring old mail
Hello, Before the 'you're a dunce' comments start I already know! I have directories on my system with lots of old mail from earlier versions of TB! but these directories are only the MAIL files, the executable and general installation files have been deleted. I have a spanking new (well a couple of monthes old actually) installation of TB! 1.62 xmas edition which I use daily. Now I've always been a bit blase with my mail and haven't done proper TB! administered backups. So now what I want to do is access the mail in the old mail folders. I have looked at Synchronistaion - but that doesn't work because the actual installation files of the old mail have been removed. I have looked at Restore - but that doesn't work because I didn't backup the files with TB!. I have also just tried creating a new account with the relevant name (i.e. the name of the directory of the mail I want to see) and TB! tries its best to read the mail but gets a bit confused - using directory names of existing accounts rather than the ones which are in the new directory. So i want to know is this old mail lost (theres 500mb of it!), corrupted, regainable or what - am i being stupid (still) and if any of the above is true have I learnt my lesson about being a little more careful with my mail archive (yes!). any help would be gratefully appreciated [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring old mail
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Stuart [S] wrote:
S I have directories on my system with lots of old mail from earlier
S versions of TB! but these directories are only the MAIL files, the
S executable and general installation files have been deleted.
OK.
S I have a spanking new (well a couple of monthes old actually)
S installation of TB! 1.62 xmas edition which I use daily. Now I've
S always been a bit blase with my mail and haven't done proper TB!
S administered backups. So now what I want to do is access the mail in
S the old mail folders.
The following should work:
If you open Windows Explorer, and navigate to your TB! installation
directory, you'll find a directory called 'Mail' (unless you've moved
it to another location).
Within this directory are other directories. Each of these denote an
account or a common folder. The account folders have the names of
your accounts so they're easily noticed.
Go Back to TB! and create a new account or accounts for the mail
folders you wish to be able to use in TB!.
Close TB! and then go back to explorer.
Copy the folders containing the mail you wish to use to the account
directory for the account you just created.
Restart TB!.
If the folders have not appeared (I doubt they would), hit
Shift-CTRL-Alt-L. This will make TB! search for lost folders.
S I have looked at Synchronistaion - but that doesn't work because the
S actual installation files of the old mail have been removed.
Yes. This option synchronises one TB! installation with another so
that the target installation is updated to have all mail/accounts/
template/address book information etc as the source installation.
S I have looked at Restore - but that doesn't work because I didn't
S backup the files with TB!.
That restores a TB! installation that used TB!'s backup utility to
create a backup of.
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Urgent needed info: What version of TLS does TB! use?
What version of SSL/TLS does The Bat 1.63b7 use? My SSL email server uses TLS version 1.0, Key Exchange Algorithm RSA (1024bit), Encryption Algorithm RC4 (128bit), Integrity Check Algorithm SHA. Is there an obvious reason why TB! would consistenly report invalid protocol version when I attempt to establish an SSL connection (both POP3 using port 995 and SMTP using port 465)? Thank you very much. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More SPAM fighting
Hello Gerard, Monday, February 24, 2003, 9:57:01 PM, you wrote: snip G X-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Send a mail to Jungle and they will unsubscribe you as they are a proper company (division of argos). -- Best regards, Jamiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More SPAM fighting
Hi Jaime, On Thursday, February 27, 2003, 12:36:22, Jamie Dainton wrote: G X-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send a mail to Jungle and they will unsubscribe you as they are a proper company (division of argos). with respect, but the name bargain-jungle.com alone reeks of spam. And there are proper companies who will really, seriously not send you that same spam again. This week. But there's so much else to advertise for! Never _ever_ respond to spam. Never. Don't even try to bounce it, the bounce won't go anywhere useful. To avoid the annoyance, be careful with your mail address. Use temporary addresses or accounts specifically set up as spam buckets when the recipient of your mail or mail address is of dubious reputation. Don't use your private mail address on mailing lists. Do use a powerful spam filter! Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany I walked down the street alone, carrying a dollar. It was me and George doing the singles thing again. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: More SPAM fighting
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, 11:54:55 AM, Roman Katzer wrote: RK To avoid the annoyance, be careful with your mail address. Use RK temporary addresses or accounts specifically set up as spam buckets RK when the recipient of your mail or mail address is of dubious RK reputation. Don't use your private mail address on mailing lists. Do RK use a powerful spam filter! I do all of this - but have a family member who will insist on sending e-cards from a site who then repeatedly spam me :-( -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: More SPAM fighting
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, 11:36:22 AM, Jamie Dainton wrote: G X-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD snip JD Send a mail to Jungle and they will unsubscribe you as they are a JD proper company (division of argos). It's jungle.com who are a division of Argos, not bargain-jungle.com - as far as I can see, jungle bargain-jungle have no relationship with one another. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More SPAM fighting
On 27 February 2003, 11:36, Jamie Dainton wrote: Send a mail to Jungle and they will unsubscribe you as they are a proper company (division of argos). ~~~ However, bargain-jungle.com may not be the same company as Jungle.com Pinging: www.bargain-jungle.com returns 216.35.70.238 www.jungle.com returns 129.35.77.19 Additionally, while Jungle.com proudly display their affiliation to Argos, bargain-jungle.com do not. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Floggings will continue until moral improves! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:47:59 AM RE: new feature wished Greetings Philip, On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 6:46:50 PM, you wrote: PS That's true, the headers reflect the time on the MUA, not the time on PS your PC. Either clock could be wrong or right. The recipient can make PS an educated guess at which is more correct, but will rarely have any PS proof. And as the MUA is on the same machine that the MTA resides on it is my option to send immediate or delay sending as the time stamps generated by the MTA and MUA should be exact (+ whenever I send it to the MUA). PS Created. Not sent. A very important difference, for some people. Electronic Arts, as you, does not care when I created the message but I do. Should a programming problem arise I can go back to my sent folder and get an extremely good idea of when I created the message text and not when I saved it to my outbox or sent it. If I need to refer them to when I detected the coding error(s) then I have an extremely good idea of when I started the text portion of the message. I may start the message at 10:15am, minimize my message editing window, open the source code, make changes, recompile, test, and find the problem corrected. At that point I can open my production timeline and report the error was found at 10:15am, recoded and corrected at 7:27pm. If there is a question on their end I fire off my original e-mail that reports the time I originally detected the problem. Anyway It gives them a good indication of my production cycle and furnishes me a very close proximity of time for my deadlines. To cut to the quick the timestamp used for the creation template is much more for my purposes versus the receiver's purpose. It's kind of like my sticky note timeline. Yes, it can be manipulated but - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Who puts those Thin Ice signs out there. The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPl4GWDaPwvRMcz9cEQIDdwCgtIS4NXtT/7BCh5r1/o199cV78SwAoOSO pl6mZax80EAkiaci/Y37bHJX =UnlV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sobig
Hello Mike, Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 9:16:06 PM, you wrote: MA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MA From: Mike Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Precedence: list MA Subject: Re: Sobig MA Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 02:16:06 + MA To: Robert Silver [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MA MIME-Version: 1.0 MA Message: 12 MA Hi Robert, MA Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 4:08:20 PM, you wrote: RS Hello , RS Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 10:59:49 AM, you wrote: RS I am getting very annoyed by the existence of way too many infected RS emails with the [EMAIL PROTECTED] virus RS This virus causes Norton antivirus to continually put up popup alerts. RS Now the bat used to do this for Klez. Is it possible to download RS definitions to update the bats current virus detection settings or a RS patch for this purpose? MA Now that is really weird. My Norton just deals with it. (you know, MA it downloads it deals with it and leaves a text message saying it's MA done so). Is your Norton AV up to date? Definition wise yes but. I have AV 2000 on this machine and it seems to deal strangely with this virus. It stores temp files on disk and that trigger AV pop ups to annoying extremes as 100s of popups happen as part of the folder filter process. Nothing is infected but it is annoying. I imagine any virus embeded email is safe with the_bat Also if you know of any substitute SMTP programs I might use to filter out such viruses or worm as in this case! My ultimate solution was to turn off auto protect and receive the mail then I looked for .pif attachments and found one with subject: Re: Documents I then both tried the removal to verify no infection took place and sure enough none occurred. I then truned back on auto-protect. -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Sobig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Hi Robert, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 10:09:58 AM, you wrote: RS Definition wise yes but. I have AV 2000 on this machine and it seems RS to deal strangely with this virus. It stores temp files on disk and RS that trigger AV pop ups to annoying extremes as 100s of popups happen RS as part of the folder filter process. Nothing is infected but it is RS annoying. I imagine any virus embeded email is safe with the_bat RS Also if you know of any substitute SMTP programs I might use to filter RS out such viruses or worm as in this case! My ultimate solution was to RS turn off auto protect and receive the mail then I looked for .pif RS attachments and found one with subject: Re: Documents RS I then both tried the removal to verify no infection took place and RS sure enough none occurred. I then truned back on auto-protect. I have been using The Bat! now for several months, and I wouldn't want to use anything else at this point. I have used both Trend Micro PC-cillin and Norton Anti-Virus 2003 with it, but several weeks ago I purchased Kaspersky AntiVirus Pro and set up The Bat! to use it instead. Since it is a Russian product, it is not well known in the U.S. During the weeks I have been using it, Kaspersky has flagged a number of e-mail propagated viruses. It has worked VERY well and operates very smoothly. Although the Pro version is $99 U.S., there is a regular version availble for about half that price. For anyone who is committed to using The Bat! I would really suggest you take a good hard look at it. - -- Scott A. Blystone Rochester, New York Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQEVAwUAPl4tlNMTNHTqtzuJAQEVDwf+LRw5DT1QN8tBNKZACQUucuCFXmCFPdrG GHpImahZ687wFl4J1LQYfvLnmhNBC63mLG7eTPhrvBB65+BVPg03EPfgY96fQMC0 O88/NmULOqh2uhOauODel2cPz/CML7iYbqRME5XelElHx8g54XpBF/VdSViGHbn7 R+7jktLZyZvPJSYn7pGHaVKk23mzZTDOCCWzDhKWx2DUM7F8ARUaPUtxNkWJ3gKj XwyxFtlg8CyVX53FpHPNWZ/ONkVgYuD9pCaxPZkxr43RRbC/NSyldow8yPgEUGyI x+d95Z/L1h+5ZpiqPccFGHHZRjbEwjQ4FlqUjMDCGhjUQe16E3c68w== =Wxdj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Urgent needed info: What version of TLS does TB! use?
Hallo Charlie, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:22:08 +GMT (27-2-03, 11:22 +0100, where I live), you wrote: CL What version of SSL/TLS does The Bat 1.63b7 use? Since this is obviously a beta issue, you'd better take this to tbbeta. On that list the developers are present too and they're most likely to know this. You can subscribe to tbbeta by sending an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (IIRC) Apart from that, I wouldn't start evaluating a program with betas, since they're prone to be not as stable as the normal releases. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Not Really related TB
Fellow TB users, This message is not really related to TB. Just that I find the people in the group very helpful and wanted some assistance. I am NOT a technical person (would say technically inclined). In my new role I am heading a project to design a Test Engine for assessment and wanted to get some unbiased advise / recommendation. In case any of you are willing to assist me in technical recommendations can you send a private e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks sorry for other readers in this group in posting this. -- Best regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought/Joke for the mail : At age 20, we worry about what others think of us. At 40, we don't care what they think of us. At 60, we discover they haven't been thinking of us at all. - Ann Landers Member of The Bat! Fan Club. Composed on Thursday, February 27, 2003 using TB Ver 1.62i On Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Urgent needed info: What version of TLS does TB! use?
Hello Roelof, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 3:38:12 PM, you wrote: RO Since this is obviously a beta issue, you'd better take this to RO tbbeta. On that list the developers are present too and they're most RO likely to know this. Thanks for the info. Actually, while I'm using a beta, I know that the behavior of the release version is the same. So my question stands, but with reference to any of the current release or beta verisons of The Bat! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
upgrade from 1.51 to 1.62i
hi, are there any caveats, hints or points to information regarding an upgrade from 1.51 to 1.62? i would like to make it as painless as possible to my users. i did the upgrade on a testinstallation and it created a new folder structure beside the old folders - what i do not like to happen to my users... thx Alexander Jernejcic -- Using The Bat! v1.51 on Windows NT - 5.0 Build - 2195 Service Pack 2 and Citrix Metaframe 1.8 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Urgent needed info: What version of TLS does TB! use?
Hello Charlie, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:00:57 + GMT (27/02/03, 23:00 +0700 GMT), Charlie Law wrote: Thanks for the info. Actually, while I'm using a beta, I know that the behavior of the release version is the same. So my question stands, but with reference to any of the current release or beta verisons of The Bat! I have read the same about the release version, but would still recommend that you post your question on the beta list. TBUDL is a list where users help each others, TBBETA is the list on which also the developers actively participate - and TB is being actively developed, so bringing this issue up over there might lead to faster fixing of this issue. I hope. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I am not hungry enough to eat six. (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrade from 1.51 to 1.62i
Hello Jernejcic, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:08:10 +0100 GMT (27/02/03, 23:08 +0700 GMT), Jernejcic Alexander wrote: are there any caveats, hints or points to information regarding an upgrade from 1.51 to 1.62? i would like to make it as painless as possible to my users. i did the upgrade on a testinstallation and it created a new folder structure beside the old folders - what i do not like to happen to my users... I am not aware of a new folder structure between 1.51 and the current release version. What difference did you see upon upgrading? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More SPAM fighting
Hello Deborah, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:10:07 + GMT (27/02/03, 19:10 +0700 GMT), Deborah W wrote: I do all of this - but have a family member who will insist on sending e-cards from a site who then repeatedly spam me :-( Tell your family member you have a new email address especially for e-cards. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Baseball is 90% mental; the other half is physical. (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello DG, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:36:51 -0500 GMT (27/02/03, 19:36 +0700 GMT), DG Raftery Sr. wrote: Electronic Arts, as you, does not care when I created the message but I do. Should a programming problem arise I can go back to my sent folder and get an extremely good idea of when I created the message text and not when I saved it to my outbox or sent it. I think here is a problem in TB. In the Sent box (or whereever I move sent mails to), it will show the same time stamp under Saved and Created, namely when I saved it for sending. I would prefer one to show the created time, and the other to show the sent time. Currently there is no way of knowing when the message was actually sent. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. That money talks, I'll not deny. I heard it once. It said, good-bye. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Urgent needed info: What version of TLS does TB! use?
Hello Thomas, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 4:42:26 PM, you wrote: TF I have read the same about the release version, but would still TF recommend that you post your question on the beta list. TBUDL is a TF list where users help each others, TBBETA is the list on which also TF the developers actively participate - and TB is being actively TF developed, so bringing this issue up over there might lead to faster TF fixing of this issue. I hope. ;-) O.K., thanks. I'm persuaded. I've just sent a subscription request. I appreciate the explanation. -- Best regards, Charliemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring old mail
Hi stuart, on Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:51:34 +GMT (27.02.03, 10:51 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : s I have directories on my system with lots of old mail from earlier s versions of TB! but these directories are only the MAIL files I guess that should suffice. Create folders for them and exit The Bat!. In your file manager copy the old messages.tbb files to their new folders. I'm not sure if it is of use to copy the messages.tbi files too, because their info may be related to the old system. I haven't tried it myself, but as to my understanding of TB! this should work. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please. :-) -- Cheers Peter Anything that can go wr ...Segmentation violation -- Core dumped Winamp currently playing: Wºa/³¯«³¨³ - ©t¨à¥J Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hallo Thomas, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:51:35 +0700GMT (27-2-03, 17:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TF Currently there is no way of knowing when the message was actually TF sent. It could be done with an outgoing filter. (Maybe a series, I'm not sure whether it can be done with only one.) Export the sent message Import it in whatever folder you'd like Delete it from the outbox. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello Roelof, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:23:42 +0100 GMT (28/02/03, 00:23 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF Currently there is no way of knowing when the message was actually TF sent. It could be done with an outgoing filter. (Maybe a series, I'm not sure whether it can be done with only one.) Probably. I would prefer TB to show the sent time automatically. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be What is Hell? Come early and listen to the choir practice. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello there, Does anybody know how to modify _incoming_ mail? In particular I wish to process Subjects of received letters removing some extra information like [this-list] or [that-list] etc. Is there a way to do this automatically on message arrival? -- Pavel Kuznetsov Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hallo Pavel, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:36:09 +0200GMT (27-2-03, 18:36 +0100, where I live), you wrote: PK Does anybody know how to modify _incoming_ mail? You can't do that with TB, neither automatically nor manually. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hi Pavel, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:36:09 +0200 Pavel Kuznetsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know how to modify _incoming_ mail? In particular I wish to process Subjects of received letters removing some extra information like [this-list] or [that-list] etc. Is there a way to do this automatically on message arrival? In general: yes. You could set up filters that lead, in the end, to a modified message. But there's _NO_ The Bat! internal way of modifying a message, the only thing you can do is at filter level trigger an export of the message, a call to an external program that applies the changes and a re-import into The Bat!. That's all automatism currently available. And: yes, there are good reasons why The Bat! does not allow to alter an incoming message directly; and yes: I'm one of those guys that prefers it's current behavior :-) @all other list members: _please_ ... Not again another flame war about advantages and disadvantages of being able to modify incoming messages directly with The Bat!. Thx :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Peter, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:19:49 +0100 GMT (28/02/03, 01:19 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: And: yes, there are good reasons why The Bat! does not allow to alter an incoming message directly; and yes: I'm one of those guys that prefers it's current behavior :-) I am not. I receive messages with non-sensical subjects. I would like to edit those. @all other list members: _please_ ... Not again another flame war about advantages and disadvantages of being able to modify incoming messages directly with The Bat!. Thx :-) Too late. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Frage: Ich installiere gerade Windows, was soll ich druecken? Antwort: Am besten die Daumen... Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hi Peter, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 8:19:49 PM, you wrote: there are good reasons why The Bat! does not allow to alter an incoming message directly; and yes: I'm one of those guys that prefers it's current behavior :-) Why? Can you sort of summarize the reasons behind your opinion? No flame bait or arguing intended -- I just can not find it in the archive... -- Pavel Kuznetsov Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Thomas, I am not. I receive messages with non-sensical subjects. I would like to edit those. Export - Edit - Import. That easy :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Stupid problem with quoted names
Hello all, I receive a message with: From: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I reply to it, TB includes this address in the To field but without the quotes: To: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] And if I click send I get the following error: --- Message has not been sent. Server reply - Invalid RFC821 mailbox specification. --- Obviously, if I manually include the quotes, the message is sent just fine. Does anybody know why TB strips the quotes when replying. Does this happen in higher TB versions? I'm still on 1.61. TIA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Good evening Miguel, It was foretold that on 27-2-2003 @ 21:53:44 GMT+0100 (which was 21:53:44 where I live) Miguel A. Urech would mumble: snipped a bit MAU Obviously, if I manually include the quotes, the message is sent MAU just fine. Does anybody know why TB strips the quotes when MAU replying. Does this happen in higher TB versions? I'm still on MAU 1.61. I don't know if this is of any assistance for you Miguel, but i don't receive From: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I receive From: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] without quotes. However on replying, TB! inserts the quotes and doesn't give any errors. I never had that problem in 1.61 either. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Inside every older person, there's a younger person wondering what happened. Gloria Swanson (1897-1983). Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Miguel A. Urech typed: MAU I receive a message with: MAU From: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU When I reply to it, TB includes this address in the To field but MAU without the quotes: MAU To: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the problem with comma after Blow and when you put the name in quotation marks the program recognizes prefix Jr as a part of name. Otherwise prefix Jr seems like a part of the e-mail address. My thoughts. Regards, -- Sergey E. Kalabekov Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sobig
Hi Scott, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 10:23:48 AM, you wrote: I have been using The Bat! now for several months, and I wouldn't want to use anything else at this point. I have used both Trend Micro PC-cillin and Norton Anti-Virus 2003 with it, but several weeks ago I purchased Kaspersky AntiVirus Pro and set up The Bat! to use it instead. Since it is a Russian product, it is not well known in the U.S. During the weeks I have been using it, Kaspersky has flagged a number of e-mail propagated viruses. It has worked VERY well and operates very smoothly. Although the Pro version is $99 U.S., there is a regular version availble for about half that price. For anyone who is committed to using The Bat! I would really suggest you take a good hard look at it. I also use Kaspersky Antivirus. I've used it for nearly two years now, and in my opinion, it's far superior to any other virus program I've ever used (I started out with McAfee several years ago, switched to Norton AV, then to PC-Cillin, and back to Norton for quite a few years). I know Kaspersky's gotten excellent reviews, and in my personal experience, I've found the program to be *very* effective. The price tag is a little higher than with most AV programs, but I think it's well worth it. I use the Personal version of Kaspersky, rather than the Pro. Both are good choices. -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Miguel, Correction to my last message: Jr is suffix. Regards, -- Sergey E. Kalabekov Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Hello Sergey, I think the problem with comma after Blow and when you put the name in quotation marks the program recognizes prefix Jr as a part of name. Otherwise prefix Jr seems like a part of the e-mail address. My thoughts. Yes, I know the problem comes because of the comma, but still I don't understand why TB strips the quotation marks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Hello Luc, I don't know if this is of any assistance for you Miguel, but i don't receive From: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I receive From: Joe Blow, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] without quotes. However on replying, TB! inserts the quotes and doesn't give any errors. I never had that problem in 1.61 either. I guess TB does the right thing in your case to compensate what it does wrong in mine :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: upgrade from 1.51 to 1.62i
I, on the other hand, went through the same pain of having to move folders, etc. The new structure is: main TB folder: TheBat! executable | MAIL folder | ---account1 | ---account2 etc., where the old system didn't have a MAIL folder enclosing the various account folders. The easiest thing to do is to back everything up, upgrade, then move the messages.tbb files (if there aren't too many folders) into the new places and let TB have its way with them. Having done this, I'm quite happy with the new arrangement and the new version. Did I remember to say you should back everything up first? -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Miguel A. Urech typed: MAU Yes, I know the problem comes because of the comma, but still I don't MAU understand why TB strips the quotation marks. Might be your Reply template that strips quotes, not the program. Sincerely, -- Sergey E. Kalabekov Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
Hello Sergey, Might be your Reply template that strips quotes, not the program. Hmmm, I didn't think of that. I will check it. Thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid problem with quoted names
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Miguel, @27-Feb-2003, 23:13 +0100 (22:13 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MAU I guess TB does the right thing in your case to compensate what it MAU does wrong in mine :) Generally, TB does what it is told to in the templates. You can compensate by using template macros. It's a long time since I relied on the default behaviour anyway ;-). Here's the one I use. %REM=+ Name Plucker by Marck +%- %IF:%ABToLastName=list:%qinclude='listto':%- %ABToNamePrefix='%ABToFirstName=#%ABofromFIRSTNAME=.%TOFNAME.#'%- %TO=%TO='%ABofromCompany=_%ABofromNAME=/%OFROMNAME/_ %TOADDR' Not only does it put the double quotes in, it also calls people by name the name by which I usually refer to them, whatever they may have called themselves in the original message (if I know them well enough - i.e. they're in my address book). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD4DBQE+Xp21OeQkq5KdzaARAmFNAJdS6TnGcBaUyQ/cfdXsrbG2Y5GOAKCYk19R vSc5alpROOzDpJRphGdtRQ== =fI3c -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
macro for specifying word wrap column
Hi all - is there a macro for specifying at which column lines should wrap? I have a contact who's e-mail client has a width of something like 40 characters for displaying message text, and I'd like to create an address book template so that messages to her get wrapped at 40 characters rather than my longer default setting. There is probably an obvious solution, but I couldn't find it in the alphabetical list of macros, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. Thanks! -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
distaster strikes :-(
Hi all, Yesterday I got into some problems with my Bat: I suddenly have to submit username and password. No matter what username I type in, the answer is always 'user xyx does not exist'. No idea why my Bat all of a sudden requires me to log on. Who can help me out? -- Best regards, Jos Flachs mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bangkok, Thailand Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: distaster strikes :-(
Hello Jos, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 9:10:11 PM, you wrote: Hi all, Yesterday I got into some problems with my Bat: I suddenly have to submit username and password. No matter what username I type in, the answer is always 'user xyx does not exist'. No idea why my Bat all of a sudden requires me to log on. Who can help me out? This problem happens to me once in awhile with my ISP's e-mail account. But, it doesn't happens with my e-mail accounts of the company that I work for, they both don't use the same e-mail server software. And, this problem can happen with any e-mail client that I have. I simply don't try to download my e-mails for a few minutes, then try it again. And if it still persists, I'll close the e-mail client for a few minutes before trying again. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sobig
Hi Robert, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 3:09:58 PM, you wrote: RS Hello Mike, RS Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 9:16:06 PM, you wrote: MA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit snipped First I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't broadcast my address to all and every spammer who trawls through the web site but showing the header info in a reply. Please turn off RFC-882 headers before replying. Thank you. MA Now that is really weird. My Norton just deals with it. (you know, MA it downloads it deals with it and leaves a text message saying it's MA done so). Is your Norton AV up to date? RS Definition wise yes but. I have AV 2000 on this machine and it seems RS to deal strangely with this virus. It stores temp files on disk and RS that trigger AV pop ups to annoying extremes as 100s of popups happen RS as part of the folder filter process. Nothing is infected but it is RS annoying. I imagine any virus embeded email is safe with the_bat I think that's your problem. I'm using 2002 and it's having no problems at all. Upgrade from 2000 and I'm sure your problems will disappear. It's not as if the upgrade costs a lot (I upgrade very other year). RS Also if you know of any substitute SMTP programs I might use to filter RS out such viruses or worm as in this case! My ultimate solution was to RS turn off auto protect and receive the mail then I looked for .pif RS attachments and found one with subject: Re: Documents RS I then both tried the removal to verify no infection took place and RS sure enough none occurred. I then truned back on auto-protect. Like I said, upgrading to a more modern version should solve your problem and be cheaper and ;less complicated than adding more software. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: macro for specifying word wrap column
Hello Sean, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:37:24 -0600 GMT (28/02/03, 06:37 +0700 GMT), Sean wrote: Hi all - is there a macro for specifying at which column lines should wrap? I have a contact who's e-mail client has a width of something like 40 characters for displaying message text, and I'd like to create an address book template so that messages to her get wrapped at 40 characters rather than my longer default setting. Interesting. Does her email-client not wrap incoming mails to fit the window? What does she see when your mails are wrapped at standard length? There is probably an obvious solution, No, I am afraid there isn't. You only have a central point where you can set the editor preferences, the line length cannot be changed by way of macro. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. There are 10 different kinds of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Miguel, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:59:08 +0100 GMT (28/02/03, 01:59 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: I am not. I receive messages with non-sensical subjects. I would like to edit those. Export - Edit - Import. That easy :) I know this, but it is an old circular discussion Pit was referring to: Should it be possible to edit incoming messages from within TB? Pit (and others) think it shouldn't, I (and others) think it should be possible. I just wanted to keep the idea alive, as I believe it would be a nice feature (one I would use, as opposed to a scheduler g). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrade from 1.51 to 1.62i
Hello Mark, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:30:08 -0800 GMT (28/02/03, 05:30 +0700 GMT), Mark Wieder wrote: The new structure is: main TB folder: TheBat! executable | MAIL folder | ---account1 | ---account2 etc., where the old system didn't have a MAIL folder enclosing the various account folders. The easiest thing to do is to back everything up, upgrade, then move the messages.tbb files I thought there was always this MAIL folder, but I may be wrong. I never noticed anything when I upgraded, so I believe there was one version in between that automatically moved the messages. Have you any idea when the new folder structure started? The version introducing it must have an internal conversion tool, so Alexander should upgrade from 1.51 to that version, and then from that version to 1.62i, and everything will be automatic. There was a change in version 1.42, and the conversion tool as included in many versions to come. Maybe still is. So if there was anotehr change in 1.5x, I would think the conversion tool would be included in later versions as well. If not, we should tell Ritlabs about it. Up to now I am still not convinced there was any change at all, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. WE LEARN that the Acme ultrasonic dog whistle warns purchasers: This product will be ineffective if your dog is deaf. Well, well, well. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:macro for specifying word wrap column
Thursday, February 27, 2003, 9:00:09 PM, Thomas wrote: TF Interesting. Does her email-client not wrap incoming mails to fit the TF window? What does she see when your mails are wrapped at standard TF length? It does wrap them, but the line breaks in my message cause the lines to look something like poetry ;) Here's an example of what she sees (other than the 5 spaces I've inserted before each line): The problem with the cursor moving to rating 2 after you save a record seems to be something we're stuck with for now. So after saving a record, just start with rating 2 of the next one and manually move the cursor to the cohort field after you've entered the rating for summary question 5. There is probably an obvious solution, TF No, I am afraid there isn't. You only have a central point where you TF can set the editor preferences, the line length cannot be changed by TF way of macro. Is there a reason for this, or would it make a reasonable feature request? Seems like it would be simple enough to implement, but I'm not a programmer so I could be wrong (again!) -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: macro for specifying word wrap column
Hello Sean, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:43:31 -0600 GMT (28/02/03, 10:43 +0700 GMT), Sean wrote: It does wrap them, but the line breaks in my message cause the lines to look something like poetry ;) What's wrong with poetry? ;-) There is probably an obvious solution, TF No, I am afraid there isn't. You only have a central point where you TF can set the editor preferences, the line length cannot be changed by TF way of macro. Is there a reason for this, or would it make a reasonable feature request? No reason that I know of, except that I never heard of the necessity for such a macro before. I think it would make a reasonable feature request, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 09:55:49 [GMT +0700] (which was 9:55:49 PM in NY, USA) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Export - Edit - Import. That easy :) Not easy enough for those who have to do it often. I know this, but it is an old circular discussion Pit was referring to: Should it be possible to edit incoming messages from within TB? Pit (and others) think it shouldn't, I (and others) think it should be possible. I just wanted to keep the idea alive, as I believe it would be a nice feature (one I would use, as opposed to a scheduler g). The idea is very much alive here. I am still happy with TB as is but fully expect this feature to be added at some point. To me, the whole essence of TB cries for this type of manipulative power to be given to mail power users. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/7 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: distaster strikes :-(
Hello Jos, An archeological dig discovered that on Friday, February 28, 2003 at 08:10 GMT +0700, Jos Flachs [JF] typed the following: JF No idea why my Bat all of a sudden requires me to log on. Under Options - Network and Administration, did you change any of the account privileges to user? If you did, you can log into TB by using any of your TB account names as the user name and no password. Make sure you use one of the accounts you did *not* change so you'll see all accounts. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
A piece of information about Secure Bat!
Hi All, I recently bought the Secure Bat! software and I would like to have more information about it. First I know that Secure bat! is based on The Bat! core but I would like to know if their are special mailing lists to discuss about its particular functionnalities ? And, where can we obtain the latest updates on it, latest beta versions etc ? Do the latest functionnalities of the bat!, such as plug-in handling, are also available in Secure bat! ? -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Mailer : The Greatest Mailer You have never seen before version 1.62i Serial number : C4C1C7D5 Windows XP Version : 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
