Re:IMAP and subfolders
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Brian, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 3:50:34 AM, you wrote: BSS Any suggestions? Yup. Keep complaining. IMAP doesn't work well in this version - a big disappointment. -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat 2: PGP and atached file
more details... everything works fine ONLY between TB2 and TB2 but makes BUG if sending on TB1 or OE 04.09.2003, U wrote: Hello Batmans! Would U check sending message with attached file and CHECKED option Privacy-Encrypt when completed ?! It looks very buggy and it seems The Bat includes file itself in message body : May be i'm wrong Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP and delete/trash
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Sean, Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 8:00:37 PM, you wrote: SH I'm not able to delete messages or folders either. I never thought I'd say this but Outlook Express works excellently with IMAP and I'm having to use it to clear up the mess TB leaves. Very sad! -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message listview view exclusion
Hello Christopher, I just discovered a neat feature. Alt-click in the list view, and only the messages matching whatever field you clicked on (date, from, subject) will be displayed. It also works on the flags fields for read, unread, kept, etc. My question is, how do I 'unexclude' the view? How do I get all messages to show up again? Thanks. I use the Escape key. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
Hello Mark, Nonsense. Here's that beer I owe you. Puag! It's warm! ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
Hello Thomas, You know how to pick a nick, I see. ;-) It is my initials: M.A.U. stand for Miguel A. Urech :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Grrrrrrrr. Account groups still broken!
On Wednesday, 3 September 2003, at 9:04:38 p.m., Allister Jenks wrote: ... only seems to be now with my sixth account that I am having problems. I've just tried a new approach - I added *two* more accounts to my group, in the hopes that the one I want will stay! Bingo! It seems to have kept both new accounts. -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders
On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Clive Taylor wrote: CT Yup. Keep complaining. IMAP doesn't work well in this version - CT a big disappointment. I concur with that. The IMAP support is *better* than in v1.x by far, but it still needs more work. It's kinda sad that Outlook Express has very good IMAP support--yet TheBat does not (yet). :~( Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Version 2 Download Mirrors
Hello Allen, Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 7:31:42 AM, you wrote: May be something wrong, indeed -- as I have yet to receive my upgraded key some 15 hours after registering. How long did it take for you guys? I ordered it at 8:28 AM. The key was processed at 9:47 PM. Then I got to wait through ISP mail server delays. :) -- Best regards, Lourdes Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
MAU- Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:23:02 AM, you wrote: M Puag! It's warm! ;-) Oops. I should have known better than to use those slow recycled electrons to send it. OK - I still owe you one. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Received Date - Weird!
Deborah- Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 6:00:36 PM, you wrote: DW That was my first thought too - but Charles' post came through as DW created with today's date, if the system date was wrong, that would be DW affected too. You might want to have a look at http://chronos.ws/email.html. ;-) -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Vishal, [V] wrote: V Interesting to read about your experiences. I haven't faced anything V like as severe the problems that you have. It is only TB that V misbehaves with ZA. For you TB is irreplaceable, but I have yet to V start using the advanced features like Quick templates that everyone V keeps raving about on here, on a regular basis. Perhaps when I do TB V will appear more useful. For the moment it doesn't appear to be V especially ahead of its competitors. The thing with TB! is that if you wish for it to behave just like some of the mainstream clients, you'll get frustrated and think it's flaky. The editor will drive you nuts, trying to create a simple signature may seem overly complicated, the interface may seem to be without flare etc. :) TB! changed how I handled mail and it's real power comes from how it allows you to *easily* manage large amounts of mail and how *easily* it allows you to be diverse in how you present mail to others and how you handle incoming mail. If all you do is download mail to your inbox without much filtering, use a single signature and a single set of templates, always use only the main window with a single address book group and no address book templates then TB! may not seem more useful than other solutions except from a security POV. V Out of interest, could you list a few features of TB that you find V especially unique/indispensable/valuable? - TB!'s 'pesky' editor (microEd) that produces such a love/hate relationship among users is one. It gives me unrivaled pleasure to use an editor that I'm confident is *always* displaying the format of the message as it will be sent. It's really frustrating to receive poorly formatted mail and the sender is unaware of this since it looked good on their screen before sending. The editor's text reflowing options also makes possible, what would otherwise be tedious. Since most of MicroEds actions are keyboard shortcut triggered, using it in conjunction with a Macro makes it a real pleasure to use and makes it possible for me to use it with other clients like my newsreader. - TB!'s templates are now indispensable to me. In my pre-TB! days, I used basically one signature since doing otherwise would be a tedious task. I'd also use a single identity in that all mail would be from Allie Martin. TB! has allowed me to be more diverse with my signatures since I can now easily use different signatures based on who or what group I'm writing to. Quick templates are very useful in that they centralize your templates. What I mean here is that you may have a macro that you use in multiple templates in your address book or folders. You can create this macro as a quick template and call it in your other templates using the %Qinclude=quick template macro. The advantage here is that if you wish to modify the quick template, its modification would affect all templates which uses the quick template. I also use quick templates for specific things like box quoting, pasting in my message blocks of text I use frequently for example, moderatorial stuff, to manually change my signatures or quoting what's on the clipboard which is a little different from pasting as a quotation using the editor. - You can browser folders in separate windows. In this way, you can actually be browsing multiple folders concurrently. This is impossible with other clients where you're bound to viewing messages only via the main window. It's not unusual that you'll be reading a particular message and then wish to review another message. With TB!, you can open this other message in a separate window if you like without disturbing where you had reached in the other message. This improves your efficiency and flexibility. It's also a good thing that you can specifically taylor your message list columns for specific folders depending on their contents. - The ticker virtual folder has profoundly changed my new mail handling style. The ticker virtual folder displays all messages that are picked up by the ticker. You can configure the ticker to display new messages only for particular folders. In this way, I can browse new messages from particular folders from a single message list. - TB!'s filtering is great and allows for a lot of possibilities. It also allows me to pick important incoming messages out of the heavy traffic through the use of sounds and using colour groups. - I like TB!'s PGP integration. With its macro support, I can automate my PGP use in terms of signing +/- encrypting outgoing messages. There are other niceties, but these are the winning features for me that I can never really duplicate while trying other Windows clients. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP and subfolders
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Edward, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:53:25 AM, you wrote: EJS It's kinda sad that Outlook Express has very good IMAP EJS support--yet TheBat does not (yet) I've said just this in another forum. It pains me that I have to use OE to administer TB's shortcomings. -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
Jeffrey, On 03-09-2003 22:18, you [J] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JM Now, do you think you can do anything about TB's flash screen? ;) J Try changing the shortcut to: J C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /nologo That doesn't work here - maybe because the Kaspersky plug-in has its own splash so that conflicts with removing that of TheBat? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
Hello Mark, Oops. I should have known better than to use those slow recycled electrons to send it. OK - I still owe you one. I believe the bar tenders (moderators they called them in this pub) are soon going to tell us to please go to the pub next door. I've never been there but I think it's called TBOT ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat 2: PGP and atached file)
Hi Alexander, @4-Sep-2003, 12:42 +0600 (07:42 UK time) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: AAG more details... everything works fine ONLY between TB2 and TB2 AAG but makes BUG if sending on TB1 or OE moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Alexander. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator ... and the answer is - it's not a bug. It's the inability of v1 and OE to comprehend PGP/MIME. v2 has *optional* PGP/MIME that kicks in when there are 8 bit characters in the message body, lines ending with space characters or attachments. PGP/MIME can be turned off in the menu and by using the %nopgpmime macro in templates. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat 2: PGP and atached file)
04.09.2003, U wrote: Hi Alexander, @4-Sep-2003, 12:42 +0600 (07:42 UK time) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: AAG more details... everything works fine ONLY between TB2 and TB2 AAG but makes BUG if sending on TB1 or OE [skiped] ... and the answer is - it's not a bug. It's the inability of v1 and OE to comprehend PGP/MIME. v2 has *optional* PGP/MIME that kicks in when there are 8 bit characters in the message body, lines ending with space characters or attachments. PGP/MIME can be turned off in the menu and by using the %nopgpmime macro in templates. Thank U very much, Marck! i DO appreciate You! And please forgive me for breaking list's rules. And would U clarify, how i can disable PGP/MIME for ALL messages withou using macros ? I mean that every message have menu with PGP/MIME in Auto. How i can make, that PGP/MIME to be off by default without macros? Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting
Hi Alexander, @4-Sep-2003, 17:18 +0600 (12:18 UK time) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... and the answer is - it's not a bug. It's the inability of v1 and OE to comprehend PGP/MIME. ... ... snip AAG How i can make, that PGP/MIME to be off by default without AAG macros? It's not possible. You should put %nopgpmime in your default templates. I don't find this a problem since I drive all of my TB output through templates. It's a bit of a job to go through and make sure the right templates have the right new pgp options, but it's worth it. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
Hello Jack and Peter, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:31:13 AM, you wrote: JM Any more ideas? I've made the right change (I'm pretty sure), but the JM logo still flashes on startup. :( H, one thing to watch out for is that the change is only good for the shortcut that is altered. If you launch it from another shortcut - that shortcut will need to be changed also. PF That doesn't work here - maybe because the Kaspersky plug-in has its own PF splash so that conflicts with removing that of TheBat? I am not certain. It is working for me hear, but I do not use any plugins. Anyone else have an idea as to why it will not work for them? Jeff -- Jeffrey A. Shumway Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 on three IMAP and two POP accounts Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: different reply quotes for different people
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:49:01 AM (GMT -05:00) RE: different reply quotes for different people Greetings MAU, On Thursday, September 4, 2003, 6:35:31 AM, you wrote: MAU I believe the bar tenders (moderators they called them in this pub) are MAU soon going to tell us to please go to the pub next door. I've never been MAU there but I think it's called TBOT ;-) Down the road, next left into the alley, 3rd door on your right in a rather seedy part of town. :-)) - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 9.0b1 Comment: KeyID: 0xECFE3F95 Comment: Fingerprint: 8ABE 6728 1CB9 E231 B2C8 C29D BC22 D3D1 ECFE 3F95 iQA/AwUBP1cnIbwi09Hs/j+VEQJ6+QCeOHIQmZ1Fl6KLNnrU0s8PWN+TOZEAnA95 cxmThnO68YkQJGLWzphblK5a =87mo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Encrypting to default key
Hello Marck, 04.09.2003, U wrote: ... snip AAG How i can make, that PGP/MIME to be off by default without AAG macros? It's not possible. You should put %nopgpmime in your default templates. I don't find this a problem since I drive all of my TB output through templates. It's a bit of a job to go through and make sure the right templates have the right new pgp options, but it's worth it. Thank U for You valuable comments! Marck, would U help me understand also, WHY when sending PGP encrypted messages TB2 encrypt it not only by public key of recipient but also by my default key ? I've cleared that option in PGP and can't understand how i can turn off it... Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP and subfolders
Hello: So I'm inferring that everyone has the same problem and it's not unique to my configuration?? Thanks. Brian Schang --On Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:12 AM +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Brian, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 3:50:34 AM, you wrote: BSS Any suggestions? Yup. Keep complaining. IMAP doesn't work well in this version - a big disappointment. -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP and subfolders
Clive: Beyond administering problems, don't you get errors (and beeps) whenever The Bat! tries to get mail from a folder that contains a folder? Basically when I have a structure like: Inbox Mail Mail/Friends Mail/Business I want to get mail from Inbox, Friends and Business. Don't care about Mail, and in fact, Mail can't contain messages since it's a directory (not a file) on my filesystem. But The Bat! will try to get mail from Inbox, Friends, Business and Mail, and gets an error with Mail each and every time. And since errors are accompanied by beeps, it's quite annoying! Is my experience similar to others, or do I have something configured incorrectly? Thanks again. Brian Schang --On Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:50 AM +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Edward, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:53:25 AM, you wrote: EJS It's kinda sad that Outlook Express has very good IMAP EJS support--yet TheBat does not (yet) I've said just this in another forum. It pains me that I have to use OE to administer TB's shortcomings. -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Spam
Hello, Paul, all: Programs like ChoiceMail (CM) stop any unknown sender from ever reaching The Bat's Inbox. CM asks those senders with a friendly message (that I myself have written) to state their business. Less than 1% of spammers ever do. I longer have to be distracted by even looking at those spam subject lines, let alone busy myself with the job of deleting. What a relief. And a **great** boost to productivity when spam is about 49% of your incoming mail. DRA Thursday, September 4, 2003, 1:18:08 AM, you wrote: PB Hello Mailing List, PB I am receiving allot of spam. When the messages arrive which I do not PB want I have set up filters to deal with them. All that happens is that PB the senders just change their names of some other element of the PB address and then the messages continue to get past my filters. Can the PB Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another PB programme to do this work. -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
David R. Austen, [DRA] wrote: DRA CM asks those senders with a friendly message (that I myself have DRA written) to state their business. Less than 1% of spammers ever do. I've been annoyed by this sort of system. Rule #1 in spam fighting. Don't lose legitimate mail and don't get in the way of those sending legitimate mail. Even though I understand why I'm being asked to click a link or whatever, I still find it annoying. :/ DRA I longer have to be distracted by even looking at those spam subject DRA lines, let alone busy myself with the job of deleting. How do you manage with mail from an automated system with no one at the other end to respond to your validation request? A good example of this is with an online purchase where an automated message with registration stuff is sent to you? To each his own, I guess, but I've always felt it best to use a spam filter. If you wish to auto-delete most spam, use a less aggressive method in the interest of preserving good messages, or filter spam as read to a separate folder, then on occasion scan the folder for innocents. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
David, On 04-09-2003 14:29, you [D] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: D CM asks those senders with a friendly message (that I myself have D written) to state their business. Less than 1% of spammers ever do. D I longer have to be distracted by even looking at those spam subject D lines, let alone busy myself with the job of deleting. D What a relief. And a **great** boost to productivity when spam is D about 49% of your incoming mail. I would _never_ answer a mail like that - and I would kick anyone off my mailing lists that used a thing like that. Use SpamPal - it's at least as effective, and without hassle for the people you are communicating with. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:IMAP and subfolders
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Brian, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 1:19:18 PM, you wrote: BSS Beyond administering problems, don't you get errors (and beeps) BSS whenever The Bat! tries to get mail from a folder that contains a BSS folder? BSS Basically when I have a structure like: No I don't get any problems collecting mail from folders. My structure is as below and I can configure these folders through TB or directly with the server in the form of: Inbox Inbox.subs Inbox.subs.TBUDL Inbox.xxx Inbox.xxx.yyy Etc. However, I DO have a problem with inaccurate and spurious message counts - and deleting a message from a folder makes the counter throw a real tantrum! I suspect that since these messages aren't marked for deletion in TB or moved to the Trash this is one cause. -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Spam)
Hi David, @4-Sep-2003, 08:29 -0400 (13:29 UK time) David R. Austen [DRA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Paul: DRA Programs like ChoiceMail (CM) stop any unknown sender from ever DRA reaching The Bat's Inbox. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hello, Peter: Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:37:20 AM, you wrote: PF David, PF On 04-09-2003 14:29, you [D] wrote in PF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: D CM asks those senders with a friendly message (that I myself have D written) to state their business. Less than 1% of spammers ever do. D I longer have to be distracted by even looking at those spam subject D lines, let alone busy myself with the job of deleting. D What a relief. And a **great** boost to productivity when spam is D about 49% of your incoming mail. PF I would _never_ answer a mail like that - and I would kick anyone off my PF mailing lists that used a thing like that. (Yikes, we're strident on this list today. Please read before kicking us. Perhaps the CM product is not well understood yet.) :-) I pre-configure CM to allow all members of mailing lists I use to waltz in the door unhindered. Naturally that challenge message needs to be very diplomatic. Nobody has ever eventually mentioned to me that they found that offensive. And they receive it only once, at worst. PF Use SpamPal - it's at least as effective, and without hassle for the PF people you are communicating with. So how does SpamPal do it? Please. Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
David R. Austen, [DRA] wrote: DRA Naturally that challenge message needs to be very diplomatic. DRA Nobody has ever eventually mentioned to me that they found that DRA offensive. And they receive it only once, at worst. I generally don't tell others I'm displeased or annoyed by something unless I'm well acquainted with them or I find it really annoying. I've always felt annoyed when I have to bypass that anti-spam system. However, I've made it known to the user on only one occasion. I guess there are others like me. :) -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange macro appearance
As you can see, the 'to' address is appearing at the top of this (and every) message I send to the group; it's also happening in the reply template. Where's it being called from? This is new behaviour not present in V1. My new message template looks like this: %Cursor -- Regards %FROMNAME Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION -- regards Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
Good afternoon DRA, On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, at 09:09 [GMT -0400] (15:09 4. september 2003 where I live), you [D] wrote: D I pre-configure CM to allow all members of mailing lists I use to D waltz in the door unhindered. I have run a mailing list where one person sent a message asking for validation to the list: that person was put on archive-only use immediately. D Naturally that challenge message needs to be very diplomatic. Nobody D has ever eventually mentioned to me that they found that offensive. I know it is - but why should _I_ - e.g. when helping another person - go through this extra trouble just because that other person has more respect for his time than mine (I know this sounds harsh but this is how it comes across to me)? PF Use SpamPal - it's at least as effective, and without hassle for the PF people you are communicating with. D So how does SpamPal do it? Please. Set up Spampal with blacklists and the Bayesian plug-in. Have Spampal add a separate X-spampal: spam header and filter on this. A peice of cake. I get very few false negatives/positives. -- Regards Peter Fjelsten N 56 09'55,3 Århus C E 010 11'41,8 Denmark Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Spam
On Thursday, September 4, 2003, 11:09:37 PM, David wrote: (Yikes, we're strident on this list today. Please read before kicking us. Perhaps the CM product is not well understood yet.) As an owner of several lists, one run on genuine Listserv software, the others on Mojo Mail, I have had to copy what other list owners are doing and that is to tell members that if they use challenge-and-response software that they need to understand and use the associated whitelists. Most list software either cannot respond to such a challenge or can only respond from a different address to that used for the original. The result is that challenge-and-response anti-spam systems are a nightmare for list owners, even when, as mine are, they are lists populated by the reasonably computer savvy. A personal view on anti-spam efforts which do more harm than good is at http://www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/2302/2302article4.htm -- Gordon Woolf The Worsley Press Hastings, Victoria, Australia www.worsleypress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Book: Success in Store - How to Start or Buy a Retail Business, Enjoy Running It and Make Money Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hello, Allie: Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:33:09 AM, you wrote: (snip) AM I've been annoyed by this sort of system. I expect some people are. On the other hand, I pre-configure permissions for those whom I have **invited** to contact me. Say we exchange business cards in certain situations. They are then not challenged. AM Rule #1 in spam fighting. Don't lose legitimate mail Permissions let in friends and colleagues AM and don't get AM in the way of those sending legitimate mail. and the vast, vast majority of people whom I do **not** know send me only spam. What a pathetic life that must be, sending spam. AM Even though I understand why I'm being asked to click a link or AMwhatever, I still find it annoying. :/ I guess I do too. But as more people are reaching that magical 50% (spam-innocent mail ratio) I expect more people will soon be understanding of this. (As they are when we screen phone calls with an answering machine at home, making them wait 4 rings **every time**, and not just once.) DRA I longer have to be distracted by even looking at those spam subject DRA lines, let alone busy myself with the job of deleting. AM How do you manage with mail from an automated system with no one at the other end to respond to your validation request? A good example of this is with an online purchase where an automated message with registration stuff is sent to you? A permission I can create, in advance, lets in anybody/anything at Jello Computers, for example. AM To each his own, I guess, but I've always felt it best to use a spam AM filter. If you wish to auto-delete most spam, use a less aggressive method in AM the interest of preserving good messages, or filter spam as read to a AM separate folder, then on occasion scan the folder for innocents. Scanning for innocents there is no less a job than scanning the Inbox. But I concede that your way one can save all the distractions (and disgust) for a designated time of the day.) Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
David, On 04-09-2003 15:32, you [D] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: D I guess I do too. But as more people are reaching that magical 50% D (spam-innocent mail ratio) I expect more people will soon be D understanding of this. Phone spam is illegal in Denmark. I think that you can do a lot to protect normal addresses from spam, but I, too, have business addresses fully accessible on the web (I find that websites are much more a target than newsgroups for harvesting spam addresses). -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Strange macro appearance
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Clive, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 2:16:29 PM, you wrote: CT As you can see, the 'to' address is appearing at the top of this CT (and every) message I send to the group; B*** me. Now this message has appeared in the list there's nothing wrong with it. -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Strange macro appearance
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Clive, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 2:49:14 PM, you wrote: CT B*** me. Now this message has appeared in the list there's nothing CT wrong with it But there's a problem with my reply template. Can anyone see anything wrong with this? --start template--- Hi %OFROMFNAME %quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%- (Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%- -BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3 %CURSOR -- %FROMNAME Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION -end template- -- regards Clive Taylor Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange macro appearance
Hello Clive, As you can see, the 'to' address is appearing at the top of this (and every) message I send to the group; it's also happening in the reply template. Where's it being called from? This is new behaviour not present in V1. Not on this new message. As far as I can see in your recent messages to the list, it only appears in your replies. My new message template looks like this: What's your reply template? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hello, Peter: (snip) I appreciate your thoughts everybody, yet, this really is becoming a tempest in a teacup. And it seems that nobody here has had any experience with this system (CM) that is being critiqued with so much gusto. PFI know it is - but why should _I_ - e.g. when helping another PFperson - go through this extra trouble just because that other PFperson has more respect for his time than mine (I know this sounds PFharsh but this is how it comes across to me)? Indeed. Why should you. On the other hand, if we collaborate (in various ways) sometimes there is an eventual pleasant payback. But no, it is not guaranteed that you will get a reward for your trouble, Peter. I certainly hope nobody thinks this indicates I disrespect those who send email. One reward is that we all may eventually be able to answer friends' and colleagues' and even strangers' mail more quickly, and in a happier frame of mind. I think there are many parallels to this in life. One day the shoe (or another shoe somewhat like this one) may be on the other foot. It's a tiny chore, answering that challenge email message. And once only. Ha anybody ever done that with CM? PF Use SpamPal - it's at least as effective, and without hassle for the PF people you are communicating with. I don't think I have ever created hassle for anybody on this list. I would like to know if I have. But has spam ever been a hassle for anybody here? Could a hassle like an occasional challenge message ever begin to compare to spam? Even some close friends do not all give me a key to their house. I guess it is also a hassle to need to ring that doorbell and wait. Every time I visit!! :-) D So how does SpamPal do it? Please. PF Set up Spampal with blacklists and the Bayesian plug-in. Have Spampal PF add a separate X-spampal: spam header and filter on this. A peice of PF cake. Thank you for the helpful explanation about SpamPal. PF I get very few false negatives/positives. Hmmm. And when you do is the shoe not on the other foot then? :-) Anyway, friends, it's over and out for me now. Back to work. Hope this has been helpful and entertaining. By the way, I am also quite experienced with the excellent filtering in The Bat. And still use it often. Best regards, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and subfolders
Hello Brian, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 6:12:47 AM, you wrote: BSS So I'm inferring that everyone has the same problem and it's not BSS unique to my configuration?? moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Brian. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
David, On 04-09-2003 16:09, you [D] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: D I appreciate your thoughts everybody, yet, this really is becoming a D tempest in a teacup. And it seems that nobody here has had any D experience with this system (CM) that is being critiqued with so much D gusto. That's true, I don't know CM, buts as I wrote I have experienced other such systems. D Indeed. Why should you. On the other hand, if we collaborate (in D various ways) sometimes there is an eventual pleasant payback. But D no, it is not guaranteed that you will get a reward for your trouble, D Peter. I know that you don't always get something back. That is not my main message. D I certainly hope nobody thinks this indicates I disrespect those who D send email. Not disrespect, but more like I don't mind giving you extra work so that I may do less work myself or something to that effect. D I don't think I have ever created hassle for anybody on this list. Correct. You haven't but not all users of confirmation software are as good as you to use it properly. PF I get very few false negatives/positives. D Hmmm. And when you do is the shoe not on the other foot then? I don't understand? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Spam
On Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 2:09 PM, David wrote: (Yikes, we're strident on this list today. Please read before kicking us. Perhaps the CM product is not well understood yet.) I don't think it's a misunderstanding of the CM product. I understand the CM product very well and I even understand the theory behind it. :) That doesn't change the objections I have (akin to Allie's and Peter's). As to any complaints, I'll share one of my clients' experiences with you. He was interested in purchasing some property in a new city (new site for a factory with a budget of over $1 million for the property) and was given a real estate agent's e-mail address by some business associate. That real estate company used a challenge/response solution. My client chose not to do business with them. My client was adamant about the way business should be conducted and in his mind, it didn't include C/R. Quote from him - They just told me I wasn't important. I'm not saying that he's right or that he would have ultimately bought property using that company, but they lost out on even the opportunity to do business with him. It was his perception and in business, that's often what ends up as being most important. Here are two articles that discuss some of the points you raised in this e-mail and others in the thread. http://www.politechbot.com/p-04746.html http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000389.html -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Spam
It seems that Terry said ... T solution. My client chose not to do business with them. My client was T adamant about the way business should be conducted and in his mind, it T didn't include C/R. Quote from him - They just told me I wasn't T important. I have used a C/R system in the past, but had the option to turn off the challenge. I created large whitelists and blacklists for the service and let it place some messages in a suspense file where I could look at them. C/R systems are OK if used reasonably -- and even the challenge doesn't do much to raise my hackles if it's something used by a private individual. I have been adamant about telling companies that I advise NOT to use such a system. It sends an extremely negative message to potential customers. I've also tried a lot of PC-based systems. Thanks to comments made here, I took a look at SpamPal (which is no pal of spam) and have installed it for a test run. At first glance, it looks like what I would describe as an ideal solution because it's quick, seems to be reliable, and works flawlessly with The Bat. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/4/2003 at 10:34 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: I was going to procrastinate, but I put it off Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hi, Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another programme to do this work. The latter is the case - I'm quite happy with K9, http://keir.net/k9.html. It's very easy to use, and after a short while you get used to starting it before you start The Bat!. It's a good feeling to know that all your spam goes right into the trash folder, even though you should take a glimpse into it before deleting the messages, in case there are any false positives. As far as I remember, K9 is also part of the Bat! installation pack, at least with v1.62r, isn't it? Antje Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
My new 20 lines filter
Hello all, I am experimenting a new filter for mailing lists like this one that will skip a message (mark it automatically as read) if Relevant Text does not start within the first 20 lines of the message body. It is very easy to set up and it seems to work very well so far. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Spam [SOT]
Hi All, -Only slightly off topic- T solution. My client chose not to do business with them. My client was T adamant about the way business should be conducted and in his mind, it T didn't include C/R. Quote from him - They just told me I wasn't T important. I have just had a similar experience with Ritlabs/cifnet. I originally registered TB! on Aug 27, and was interested to find out if I would receive a free upgrade to 2.0. I emailed ritlabs, only to have my email returned, stating that SpamCop has determined that my mail server is a known originator of spam. Same with an email to cifnet. This was extrememly frustrating, because I had no recourse. I simply couldn't contact either company by email. I, of course, have never spammed anyone in my life, but I am on a shared web host, and apparently one of their clients was the culprit. My host took quick steps for me, but this did little to change the fact that I couldn't send email to ritlabs. Someone from spamcop replied to my whining, stating that there wasn't anything that could be done. Sounds like a great service. They are happy to block my email, but 'there's nothing that can be done' to unblock it. Fortunately for me, cifnet is in Chicago, where I am. So a local call did the trick. But the point stands. -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hello, Allie, and all: Thursday, September 4, 2003, 9:11:33 AM, you wrote: AM David R. Austen, [DRA] wrote: DRA Naturally that challenge message needs to be very diplomatic. DRA Nobody has ever eventually mentioned to me that they found that DRA offensive. And they receive it only once, at worst. AM I generally don't tell others I'm displeased or annoyed by something Yes, that's about right. It's natural for many people to hold back when possible, especially for someone who is as gracious and respectful of others, as you seem to be as moderator of this list. But what is the cost of worrying about occasionaly annoying colleagues like you one time with a challenge message, or creating a blanket permission? (I will assume that none of you have ever seen my CM challenge.) The bottom line for me is that my experience with email each day is now a better one. I'm in a better frame of mind if welcome messages (like yours) are not sandwiched between a number of other messages that are are unwelcome and even offensive. For my part, if the challenge were annoying, I would frame my response in terms of the software they use, and not their treatment of me. Like you, I would look for a chance to offer a constructive suggestion. Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam
Hello, Peter: Thursday, September 4, 2003, 10:20:21 AM, you wrote: It's almost as if the anger that should be reserved for the spammers is vented on those who fight back. Like the developers of this software. PF Not disrespect, but more like I don't mind giving you extra work so PF that I may do less work myself or something to that effect. Since when is replying with one-two words (one-time only) considered to be measurable work? That's like saying that it is unfair that you and I are working here (writing this) when many others are only reading this. :-) I see it as an effort for the common good. I would be more than happy to do it for you. Like an unfortunate cost that all might share in (eventually) to avoid a problem that many will share eventually. Sobig, for example. And it might be good for the security of all, if a virus or worm arrives in email spam (that I have not stopped with CM) and then replicates itself and sends itself from my machine. D I don't think I have ever created hassle for anybody on this list. PF Correct. You haven't but not all users of confirmation software are as PF good as you to use it properly. I've been lucky with my training and education, I guess. PF I get very few false negatives/positives. D Hmmm. And when you do is the shoe not on the other foot then? PF I don't understand? Well, beyond the matter of viruses and worms, a false positive or negative likely causes a delay in reading a message. That would be a hassle for people needing a quick response. I can stop using email completely and be sure to never cause a hassle for anybody, ever. I wish you all the best, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Spam
Hello, Terry: Almost everybody is attacked by the spammers, but I think nobody I know would take offense as quickly as the person mentioned below when the stakes are so high. There are cultural problems that accompany the technology problems. I certainly don't ignore them, but I also assume that the culture of mail and email is slowly evolving. Examples of change (and upset) abound in good old snail mail, too. Thursday, September 4, 2003, 10:31:19 AM, you wrote: (snip) T As to any complaints, I'll share one of my clients' experiences with T you. He was interested in purchasing some property in a new city (new T site for a factory with a budget of over $1 million for the property) T and was given a real estate agent's e-mail address by some business T associate. That real estate company used a some business T challenge/response T solution. My client chose not some business T to do business with them. Or, even use the phone to contact them instead of email? or ask an employee to take care of that? I won't judge this and say that everybody should feel perfectly happy about these C-R systems. Nor do we feel perfectly happy about inoculations before we take trips into jungles. Some people will refuse inoculations; they may miss some nice opportunities for travel because of the offense of that needle. (What would have been the status of smallpox now if all had refused inoculations due to the (infrequent) discomfort of that needle?) T My client was adamant about the way business should be conducted Tand in his mind, it didn't include C/R. Quote from him - They just Ttold me I wasn't important. He certainly takes offense quickly, and he takes it very personally. I guess you'd need to be there to understand his frame of mind. I'm guessing that when he started out in business (if as long ago as I did) he also had none of the benefits of the 'Net. Which he cherry-picks now, no doubt. T I'm not saying that he's right or that he would have ultimately bought T property using that company, but they lost out on even the opportunity T to do business with him. Because of his principles, and his short fuse, he may also have lost the chance to look at a piece of property what might possibly have been the best of all available, and even perhaps a great value. It works both ways. Was that challenge message really worse than leaving a voicemail message over lunch hour (or after hours) and then waiting for an eventual reply? What's in the water some folks are drinking these days? :-) Actually, many of us are offended by high technology of various sorts, and that is OK. But the costs are not all on one-sided. T It was his perception and in business, that's often what ends up as Tbeing most important. I agree with that. Perhaps businesses with so much at stake in one transaction will have more expensive foolproof systems that will look carefully at every piece of new mail to ensure that there is no possible way to miss a legitimate message. But most can't afford to do that, and I think that people will eventually understand this. T Here are two articles that discuss some of the points you raised in T this e-mail and others in the thread. T http://www.politechbot.com/p-04746.html T http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000389.html I have just read these and appreciate your thoughtfulness in sending them. Yes, It's not an easy job. In fact it's a dirty job dealing with spam. And I guess some of the mud will stick on us when we try to deal with it. Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Spam
Hello, Bill: Thursday, September 4, 2003, 10:40:42 AM, you wrote: BBTE C/R systems are OK if used reasonably -- and even the challenge BBTE doesn't do much to raise my hackles if it's something used by a BBTE private individual. I have been adamant about telling companies that I BBTE advise NOT to use such a system. It sends an extremely negative BBTE message to potential customers. I guess that generally fits with my views. In commerce, it is a good investment to use **humans** to vet every unknown message, if you can possibly afford to. (snip) Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Spam [SOT]
Hello, Christopher: 1. With agents like CM there is no third party creating huge blacklists of domains. (They must not be easy to edit on a frequent basis.) 2. It is very rare that I would block an entire domain. 3. With CM, a C/R message pops up (right in my face) showing the response message and I hit a button instantly creating a permission for that person. 4. (Of course you were also flexible and resourceful enough to just pick up the phone when email frustrated you.) Best, David Thursday, September 4, 2003, 11:31:42 AM, you wrote: CB Hi All, CB -Only slightly off topic- T solution. My client chose not to do business with them. My client was T adamant about the way business should be conducted and in his mind, it T didn't include C/R. Quote from him - They just told me I wasn't T important. CB I have just had a similar experience with Ritlabs/cifnet. I CB originally registered TB! on Aug 27, and was interested to find out CB if I would receive a free upgrade to 2.0. I emailed ritlabs, only to CB have my email returned, stating that SpamCop has determined that my CB mail server is a known originator of spam. Same with an email to CB cifnet. CB This was extrememly frustrating, because I had no recourse. I simply CB couldn't contact either company by email. I, of course, have never CB spammed anyone in my life, but I am on a shared web host, and CB apparently one of their clients was the culprit. My host took quick CB steps for me, but this did little to change the fact that I couldn't CB send email to ritlabs. Someone from spamcop replied to my whining, CB stating that there wasn't anything that could be done. Sounds like a CB great service. They are happy to block my email, but 'there's nothing CB that can be done' to unblock it. CB Fortunately for me, cifnet is in Chicago, where I am. So a local call CB did the trick. But the point stands. -- Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
Hello MAU, On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:23:58 +0200 GMT (04/09/2003, 14:23 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: You know how to pick a nick, I see. ;-) It is my initials: M.A.U. stand for Miguel A. Urech :) And what does the A. stand for? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hans Krankl (Oesterreichischer Nationaltrainer): Wir muessen gewinnen, alles andere ist primaer. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
Hello Allister, On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:19:03 +1200 GMT (04/09/2003, 03:19 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the first place? The moment you have a file glyphs.bmp in your TB directory, TB will use that instead of the defaults. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Police Departments give their officers personality tests to make sure they are deliberately assigned a partner who is their total opposite. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message listview view exclusion
Hello MAU, On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:20:33 +0200 GMT (04/09/2003, 14:20 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: I just discovered a neat feature. Alt-click in the list view, and only the messages matching whatever field you clicked on (date, from, subject) will be displayed. It also works on the flags fields for read, unread, kept, etc. Yes, and it's not new at all. My question is, how do I 'unexclude' the view? How do I get all messages to show up again? Thanks. I use the Escape key. So do I. The caveat with this feature is that it applies to all folders. So if you alt-click in one folder, and then move to another folder, it may appear empty. That has caused some distress, but if you know the esc trick, the problem will be solved immediately. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 1. When computing, whatever happens, behave as though you meant it to happen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Hello MAU, On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:56:31 +0200 GMT (04/09/2003, 21:56 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: I am experimenting a new filter for mailing lists like this one that will skip a message (mark it automatically as read) if Relevant Text does not start within the first 20 lines of the message body. It is very easy to set up and it seems to work very well so far. While that sounds interesting, I wonder how a filter would determine what is reolevant to you. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man: Is this seat empty? Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam
Hello Paul, On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:18:08 +1000 GMT (04/09/2003, 12:18 +0700 GMT), Paul Berger wrote: I am receiving allot of spam. When the messages arrive which I do not want I have set up filters to deal with them. All that happens is that the senders just change their names of some other element of the address and then the messages continue to get past my filters. Can the Bat! deal with this kind of Spam or is it necessary to get another programme to do this work. A long thread ensued, and I haven't read all of it. But it is a good idea to use another program to do this, as spammers do tend to change their address, and it wouldn't be feasible to add all to the filter. There are now some plug-ins available for TB, but they are in beta status. I don't use them, as my email-provider offers an option to do this server-side. The key word is bayesian spam filtering, which also the TB plug-ins attempt. You couldn't do that with just the filters in TB. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Travel is very educational. I can now say Kaopectate in seven different languages. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v2.0 Schedule Question
Myotis Mates, The help file for the Scheduler says: Useful tip You can quickly create a reminder about a message(s). Just select it in the preview pane, go to Specials | Remind later and choose when you want to be reminded: Tomorrow, Next Week, Next Month, Every day next week, Next month every week. Under advanced you can set up advanced options for the linked message. Am I missing something? I don't see a Remind Later in the Specials menu. -- Best regards, Jim D JD -at- CastleGK -dot- com [Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Build 2600] --- Promises are like babies: fun to make, but hell to deliver. --- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change FROM and/or REPLYTO with template or macro?
Dear All, I have several IMAP accounts set up under The Bat! v2.00. I also make liberal use of e-mail aliases. I would like some easy way to programatically change the FROM or REPLYTO addresses when I send an e-mail so that the e-mail appears to come from one of my alias addresses. I cannot simply change the fields in the account properties since I may have several different aliases pointing to the actual account. I tried to look this up in the old list archives, but they no longer seem to be present. Can someone please point me in the right direction and/or give me some simple steps on how to do this? I'm not overly experienced with templates or macros. Thanks. -- Scott A. Blystone Rochester, New York Running The Bat! v2.00 under Windows XP Pro SR-1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.0 Schedule Question
On 9/4/2003, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim D said: Am I missing something? I don't see a Remind Later in the Specials menu. Sorry all, I was looking at the rt-click context menu under SPECIAL and not at the SPECIAL menu at the top...found it right there, of course. -- Best regards, Jim D JD -at- CastleGK -dot- com [Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Build 2600] --- If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? --- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change FROM and/or REPLYTO with template or macro?
On 9/4/2003, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Dear All, I have several IMAP accounts set up under The Bat! v2.00. So do you think that 2.0 does IMAP better than 1.xx? -- Best regards, Jim D JD -at- CastleGK -dot- com [Using The Bat! 2.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Build 2600] --- He who laughs last thinks slowest! --- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
compress purge upon close
When I close The Bat!, the program takes time to purge and compress my folders. I no longer wish to do that automatically upon close, but I can't seem to find the right location to switch that behavior off. I've checked the properties of several folders, and none have any of the on exit boxes checked. Is there a global switch somewhere? Can anyone remind me where to find it? Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Join the Oracle-article list and receive one article on Oracle technologies per month by email. To join, visit http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/oracle-article, or send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the word subscribe in either the subject or body. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: compress purge upon close
Hello Jonathan, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:10:20 PM, you wrote: JG Best regards, JG Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are JG http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Join the Oracle-article list and receive one JG article on Oracle technologies per month by JG email. To join, visit Yes, uncheck the Account Properties / Options / Compress all folders on exit option. moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jonathan. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange macro appearance
Clive- Thursday, September 4, 2003, 6:58:26 AM, you wrote: CT [EMAIL PROTECTED] CT Hello Clive, CT Thursday, September 4, 2003, 2:49:14 PM, you wrote: CT B*** me. Now this message has appeared in the list there's nothing CT wrong with it CT But there's a problem with my reply template. Can anyone see anything CT wrong with this? CT --start template--- CT Hi %OFROMFNAME CT %quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%- CT (Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%- CT -BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)%- CT %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3 CT %CURSOR CT -- CT %FROMNAME CT Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION CT -end template- That's not at all what I see here. I've quoted the whole thing here for you. Your reply template doesn't match your reply - notice the Hello instead of Hi. Are you using folder templates? -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: compress purge upon close
Hello Jonathan, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:10:20 PM, you wrote: Jonathan When I close The Bat!, the program takes time to purge and Jonathan compress my folders. I no longer wish to do that Jonathan automatically upon close, but I can't seem to find the right Jonathan location to switch that behavior off. I've checked the Jonathan properties of several folders, and none have any of the on Jonathan exit boxes checked. Is there a global switch somewhere? Jonathan Can anyone remind me where to find it? Oops. Too fast. Go to the folder, right-click with the mouse, choose properties. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange macro appearance
Hello Mark, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:20:32 PM, you wrote: MW I've quoted the whole thing here for you. Ooh, nice save walks away with head down, pouting, and petting trout s'ok little trouty, we'll get him next time won't we my little precious.. Cackle. Cackle. Cackle. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
Hello Thomas, And what does the A. stand for? My Gosh! I don't remember! My memory is terrible. Will you belive me if I tell you that after 34 years of marriage I always call my wife my dear, sweetheart, darling, etc., not because I still love her but because I don't remember her name? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Hello Thomas, While that sounds interesting, I wonder how a filter would determine what is reolevant to you. No, no, no. You are wrong. _I_ determine what is relevant for the filter. :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Strange macro appearance
Hi Mark, MW Your reply template doesn't match your reply - notice the MW Hello instead of Hi. Are you using folder templates? *!-++** (expletive deleted). I'd made some alterations to my address book and deselected the templates there. As a result I've been replying using the default folder templates. Some days I'm so thick I can't believe myself. Thanks for the pointer, Mark -- regards Clive Taylor Using 2.00 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
MAU- Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:17:27 PM, you wrote: When you forget your favorite beer, then I'll start worrying about you... Said TBUDL poster Miguel, Is that flying trout that I smell? My memory's not clear, It must be the beer, For I can't recall names very well. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Thursday, September 4, 2003, 6:22:01 AM, Vishal wrote: V For the person who Robyn replied to (sorry I only know your initial is 'A'), I V don't seem to have received your message from the list. Could you let me know V the same? Thanks! Hi Vishal it was me (Anne) _ I've copied the full mail I sent below: Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 7:30:38 AM, Vishal wrote: V So could you suggest someone who has? It would be a big help. Yes Vishal I have - it works fine for me.. (I did reply earlier but you maybe didn't see it). I used TB! 1.62 with ZA Pro 2.6 until recently using automatic mail checking on one mail account and it worked fine. I've now switched to TB! 2 and ZA Pro 4 and it still works just fine. Many on list don't like ZA but I do and have never had any problems with either the free or the Pro versions. If you can't get automatic checking to work with it it must be a setting somewhere that needs changing - does TB! have permission to access the net always without asking through ZA? It might be useful if you tell us what you TB! settings are for the mail checking also - Account » Properties » Options » Mailbox Checking. -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: different reply quotes for different people
Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:17:27 PM, MAU wrote: M My Gosh! I don't remember! M My memory is terrible. Will you belive me if I tell you that after 34 M years of marriage I always call my wife my dear, sweetheart, M darling, etc., not because I still love her but because I don't M remember her name? ;-) Methinks you're going to be chased by a mod with a wet fish soon Miguel! lol Follow up to TBOT...???!!! For the same reason as you give, I always call my son's girlfriends *Flossie* - partly as I forget their name - but also in case he's switched to a new one and not told me... saves embarrassing moments when you call her the wrong name! ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Thursday, September 4, 2003, 12:17:43 AM, you wrote: I'd like to see examples of ideas users on this list have so that I can improve my own mail-handling efficiency. That makes two of us, Vishal. And if there was some kind of *centralized* source for those examples, that would help even more. -- Best regards, Jack Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
On Friday, 5 September 2003, at 4:36:08 a.m., Thomas Fernandez wrote: Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the first place? The moment you have a file glyphs.bmp in your TB directory, TB will use that instead of the defaults. My point was how to extract the original icons from the program in the form of a .bmp file? -- Regards, Allister. Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Edited glyphs file for download if you wish...
Hi Thomas, Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:36:08 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Allister, TF On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:19:03 +1200 GMT (04/09/2003, 03:19 +0700 GMT), TF Allister Jenks wrote: Understand that, but how did you get the originals out of TB! in the first place? TF The moment you have a file glyphs.bmp in your TB directory, TB will TF use that instead of the defaults. I (and I presume so does Allister) know how to edit the glyphs.bmp file but as the glymphs are hard coded how did you extract them in the first place? (Allister: A friend of mine is a software coder, I shall email him and ask. But apparently there are software packages that allow extraction of glyphs from .dll files etc.) -- Regards Robyn Winter This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify us immediately and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
how to copy text from templates
I seem to remember seeing this somewhere, but I can no longer find it The templates editor doesn't allow for copy pasting. How can I get the text from my templates and paste it in a text document, or another template, for that matter. I have a few long ones I don't wish to copy out, and I'd also like to play around a little. Are templates stored in a file that can be accessed by a text editor? On the 20th August there was some discussion about backing up quick templates, and apparently they are stored in a .qtn file. David Boggon _ using version 2.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to copy text from templates
Hello dajabo, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 4:20:11 PM, you wrote: d The templates editor doesn't allow for copy pasting. Sure it does, highlight the text, CTRL-C to cut and CTRL-V to paste. d David Boggon d _ moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out dajabo. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimeter in your templates. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to copy text from templates
LG CTRL-C to cut and CTRL-V to paste. Solved my problem, thanks Leif I am used to looking in the context menu. I'm suprised they're not there. -- David Boggon The Bat! 2.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My new 20 lines filter
Thursday, September 4, 2003, MAU wrote: I am experimenting a new filter for mailing lists like this one that will skip a message (mark it automatically as read) if Relevant Text does not start within the first 20 lines of the message body. It is very easy to set up and it seems to work very well so far. Care to show us an example? -- Urban Henry Purcell is a well known composer few people have ever heard of. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Suggestion
TheBat-users, Would it not be nice to be able to set a line height in the preferences for showing messages? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.00 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Restoring my folders
Hi Blasters (Bat list users), I have a backup that I want to restore. When I do, will TB! overwrite my current directories, or add to them? Will newer emails not present in the backup be lost? -- Caio, Christopher Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.0 Schedule Question
Hello Jim, On September 4, 2003, 13:15, you wrote: JD On 9/4/2003, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim D JD said: Am I missing something? I don't see a Remind Later in the Specials menu. JD Sorry all, I was looking at the rt-click context menu under SPECIAL JD and not at the SPECIAL menu at the top...found it right there, of JD course. How can I cancel the reminder? -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: v2.0 Schedule Question
Hello Peter, In answer to yours of Thursday, September 04, 2003, 12:51 PM: Am I missing something? I don't see a Remind Later in the Specials menu. JD Sorry all, I was looking at the rt-click context menu under SPECIAL JD and not at the SPECIAL menu at the top...found it right there, of JD course. I'm still missing it! Did it start with v.1.63? I am still on v.1.62. -- Best regards, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Vancouver Island, BC Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.0 Schedule Question
Hi John, @04-Sep-2003, 18:08 -0700 (02:08 UK time) John Bartlett [JB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter: JD Sorry all, I was looking at the rt-click context menu under JD SPECIAL and not at the SPECIAL menu at the top...found it JD right there, of course. JB I'm still missing it! Did it start with v.1.63? I am still on JB v.1.62. 1.63 was never released. It was the early beta for version 2. THe scheduler is a version 2 feature (as indicated in the subject line of this thread). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring my folders
Friday, September 5, 2003, 12:47:40 AM, Christopher wrote: CB I have a backup that I want to restore. When I do, will TB! overwrite CB my current directories, Yes it will overwrite them as long as the names are the same. CB or add to them? Will newer emails not present in the backup be lost? As the existing files will be overwritten the newer messages not present in the backup will be lost. -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.0 Schedule Question
Thursday, September 4, 2003, 8:51:35 PM, Peter wrote: PK How can I cancel the reminder? Go to the Tools menu » Scheduler » look down the list of scheduled events under Description and highlight the one to cancel. Right click it and select Delete. :-) -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring my folders
Hello Christopher, Thursday, September 4, 2003, 7:47:40 PM, you wrote: CB I have a backup that I want to restore. When I do, will TB! overwrite CB my current directories, or add to them? Will newer emails not present CB in the backup be lost? The best way to retro-update folders is to use the third step of Synchronise function instead of Restore. This way, messages will be checked by MessageID before entering the message base. (In the Restore function, messages are checked by their base unique IDs which helps to restore message base in the way it was before - newer messages must not be rewritten anyway, Anne) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and subfolders
Hello Brian, Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 10:50:34 PM, you wrote: BSS I have no problem subscribing to the folders, but The Bat! seems to BSS want to check mail in Mail and Mail/Newsletters. Since these are BSS directories and not files (under University of Washington imap), The BSS Bat! continually gets errors as it tries to get mail from these BSS folders. Do you mean - TB! just loops endlessly there and prevent other folders to be read or something else? By the way, an error sound could be switched off in the Options|Preferences dialogue at the System page... -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and delete/trash
Hello Clive, Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:07:00 PM, you wrote: CT 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the CT server. Pressing delete does nothing. This may happen due to error in processing or because the destination folder used as Trash does not exist. Basically, The Bat! tries to create service folders when it connects to the server if they do not exist. Anyway, something should be logged if nothing happens. If nothing happens, that could be a real bugger... CT Changing advanced options|mail management to mark as delete does CT no such thing. It removes the message from the message list on CT hitting delete but the message does not appear in Trash or on the CT server as deleted - or marked for deletion. A marked as deleted message should not appear in the Trash folder - this is the difference between moving to Trash and marking as deleted (which is equal to immediate deletion). The fact that the message does not appear on the server as deleted is really strange - this works fine here, so I wonder what the problem could be. You can start The Bat! with /IMAPTRACEfilepath.ext parameter to store capture IMAP session (note that it works only for one session at a time). If you see anything strange there, please send the file to me (make sure to remove your password for the capture). CT 2. I can't configure a trash folder anyway. The account log tells CT me the folder Inbox.Trash doesn't exist. Because service folders are now created at the connection start, you should restart your IMAP connection to get the folder created. CT Where are deleted messages supposed to end up - assuming they are CT deletable in the first place? Basically, the mechanism is similar to local folders. When you move (delete) a message to Trash, a copy of the message is created in the Trash folder and the messages is marked as deleted in the original folder. If you want to restore deleted messages, you should use the Folder|Browse deleted menu command. To remove deleted messages permanently, use the Folder|Compress menu command - this actually will get message counters in sync because when a folder contains deleted messages, the counters may look strangely (comparison with OE is not valid here because OE does not show folder counters at all) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change FROM and/or REPLYTO with template or macro?
Thebat, [T] wrote: T I have several IMAP accounts set up under The Bat! v2.00. I also make T liberal use of e-mail aliases. I would like some easy way to T programatically change the FROM or REPLYTO addresses when I send an T e-mail so that the e-mail appears to come from one of my alias T addresses. I cannot simply change the fields in the account T properties since I may have several different aliases pointing to the T actual account. How about the %From=name address and the %Replyto=name address macros? You could add those to your relevant templates and they'll override the account settings. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
List index out of bounds? - SOS
Hi TB! users, I just upgraded to v2.0 but was depressed to find this error: List index out of bounds The error occurs everytime I fetch the emails from POP server. After receiving the last email's header, a warning window pops up showing this annoying message.:( Can somebody our there help me please? I like the new version but if this error can't be fixed, I'll have to stick to v1.62r which I'm using now. Anticipating being instructed. -- Best regards, Joe Lee A fan of The Bat! in domain name industry - Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
test - pls ignore
Test message. Pls ignore. I am hardly getting any list mail since I upgraded to V2. I hope it's just coincidence! -- Keith Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
test - pls ignore
Sorry, I have received only 2 messages from the list yesterday, and none today. I hope this has nothing to do with V2! -- Keith Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Encrypting to default key
Hello Peter, 04.09.2003, U wrote: on Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:09:17 +0600GMT (04.09.03, 14:09 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : AAG Thank U for You valuable comments! AAG Marck, would U help me understand also, WHY when sending PGP encrypted AAG messages TB2 encrypt it not only by public key of recipient but also AAG by my default key ? I've cleared that option in PGP and can't AAG understand how i can turn off it... It is for your own benefit. So you can read the sent mail yourself later. If it is only encrypted to the recipient's key, you won't be able to decrypt it. Yes sure ! But i don't need that! If you really want to turn it off, you can do it in OpenPGP Preferences, General tab. Yes, it rurned OFF ! So, i suspect, that there are any options somewhere else... Regards, AG Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.0: slower - and other issues
Hi Krister Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:43:57 AM, you wrote: KE I can see where you're coming from and your wish is ok, imho, as long KE as functionality is the same. I don't want to miss functionality just KE because i can't see to use it, so if we have the same functionality KE but different looks, that's ok, otherwise it's not. I completely agree. Let's hope someone's listening :) Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wishlist item for scrutiny
Hi Pixie Wednesday, September 3, 2003, 2:03:24 AM, you wrote: P Perhaps it wasn't clear, this was not suggested as a replacement to P the default operation unless you want it.. as in _alternative_ P default. I'm assuming you don't disagree with options? As an alternative it seems fine. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and delete/trash
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote... CT 1. TB will not delete messages from their folder or from the CT server. Pressing delete does nothing. This may happen due to error in processing or because the destination folder used as Trash does not exist. Basically, The Bat! tries to create service folders when it connects to the server if they do not exist. Anyway, something should be logged if nothing happens. If nothing happens, that could be a real bugger... Interesting. I had TB creating a whole bunch of folders on my Exchange server today. Deleted Items.1, Sent Items.1, Trash.1, Trash, etc etc. Ended up having to close TB, and resort to Outlook to fix things. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The bold print giveth and the fine print taketh away. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP1ghJyuD6BT4/R9zEQLwjQCfd5lJn34qVUd2LxqBs7L6fZcuffUAn0d5 SEIcKS0ij10qoSjKK3jp5rSt =zK7a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and subfolders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote... BSS I have no problem subscribing to the folders, but The Bat! seems BSS to want to check mail in Mail and Mail/Newsletters. Do you mean - TB! just loops endlessly there and prevent other folders to be read or something else? By the way, an error sound could be switched off in the Options|Preferences dialogue at the System page... I'd have thought you would be doing a check for \NoSelect before checking the status of a folder. Or even building a view of what is selectable and what isn't on first login. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP1gglCuD6BT4/R9zEQKZ2ACgoIpoQ2Ew2d3PoG3iELzv1ybtyn4AoPUZ FKELYFKi1onMWXpNoU9GdRxh =TXe5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
