Re[3]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Peter Olsen
Hello Allie,


AM Peter Olsen wrote:

PO I agree fully with S  J Love about the
PO look of The Bat! I have
PO used the bat for many years now and I
PO am very satisfied, but I
PO also think TB is very dull and boring
PO to look at. Of course the
PO contents of the program is the most
PO important, but now that we
PO have some very fine contents then I
PO would very much like if TB!
PO would be beffed up with some nice
PO colours and a more artistic
PO interface. of course tookable as
PO there are users who would
PO certainly just like the plain old look.

AM Try WindowBlinds. :)

AM It will not only make TB! look better,
AM but will make Windows, in
AM general, look better.


I have used WB for many years now thanks for
the suggestion anyway :-) What I would like more
is a more spicy set of icons inside the program.
Big and colourfull ones.
Anyone should try Stardocks unified solution for
the desktop called Object Desktop.

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Re[4]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Peter,

Saturday, January 17, 2004, 11:10:30 AM, you wrote:

PO What I would like more
PO is a more spicy set of icons inside the program.
PO Big and colourfull ones.

I didn't follow this thread, so I suppose you already use another set of
glyphs?

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Re[5]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Peter Olsen
Hello Mark,

Saturday, January 17, 2004, 11:35:20 AM, you wrote:



MP Hello Peter,

MP Saturday, January 17, 2004, 11:10:30 AM, you wrote:

PO What I would like more
PO is a more spicy set of icons inside the program.
PO Big and colourfull ones.

MP I didn't follow this thread, so I suppose
MP you already use another set of
MP glyphs?

Yes. a set which I downloaded a long time
ago. Maybe other ones have come up in the
meantime?? Where can find these glyphs??


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Re[6]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Peter,

Saturday, January 17, 2004, 11:50:35 AM, you wrote:

PO Yes. a set which I downloaded a long time
PO ago. Maybe other ones have come up in the
PO meantime?? Where can find these glyphs??

There must be more, but I can't find the addresses right now.

A few can be found here:
http://www.thebat.cz/ikony.htm
http://bat-mail.de.vu/tools.html

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread MAU
Hello Mark,

 A few can be found here:
 http://www.thebat.cz/ikony.htm
 http://bat-mail.de.vu/tools.html

And many more here:

http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=listarticlessecid=10

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread MAU
Hello malexander,

 http://www.wincustomize.com/  - the fee is worth it :)

Yes, it seems like it is worth.

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread MAU
Hello Edgar,

M You may have all of that for news with TB and MyGate :)
 Still MyGate is still a plug-in that does not always work good
 with every news server configuration.

No software is perfect and don't suit everybody's needs. :-)

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Re[2]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote:

M And many more here:

M http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=listarticlessecid=10

Thanks for that. I found a nice glyphs set there.

TB! is looking great here. :)

http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/tb.png

I like the MacOSX look. ;)

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 Thanks for that. I found a nice glyphs set there.
 
 TB! is looking great here. :)
 
 http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/tb.png
 
 I like the MacOSX look. ;)

Yes, it looks nice. Which set is it so I don't have to scroll them all?

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Re[2]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Mark Partous

Hello MAU,

Saturday, January 17, 2004, 1:45:24 PM, you wrote:

M http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=listarticlessecid=10

That's the one I was looking for! Thanks. It's PowerMark(s)ed now!


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Re[2]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote:

M Yes, it looks nice. Which set is it so I don't have to scroll them
M all?

That would be glyphs #55.

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Roman Katzer
On Thursday, January 15, 2004, 18:47:53, Darrin wrote:
  I'm currently tying out becky. I must say, its the closest thing to TB! Mind you, 
 Im only on day 2
 of my 30 day free trial. I started off not liking it.  Mainly because
 Ive been using TB! for over a year now
 and am used to it. The more Im using it the more I like it.  However
 I don't think I will give up TB! anytime
 soon. Its still more powerful than any other email client I have
 tried. For today its TB! tomorrow. maybe
 Becky! who knows. They are both, in my opinion the best two email clients out there.

What other features besides comb styling text does Becky have above TB?

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Henk de Bruijn
Hallo Allie,

On Saturday, January 17, 2004, 2:42:48 PM, you wrote:

 Thanks for that. I found a nice glyphs set there.

 TB! is looking great here. :)

 http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/tb.png

 I like the MacOSX look. ;)

Me too! I would like to have the same look. What do I have to do or
where do I have to go?

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:51:10 +0100 GMT (17/01/2004, 20:51 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

 http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/tb.png
 
 I like the MacOSX look. ;)

 Yes, it looks nice.

I agree. Is that MacOSX look an XP theme, or is it WindowBlinds?

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Re: MyGate 2.6

2004-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:08:34 +0200 GMT (15/01/2004, 18:08 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Perevodchik wrote:

 MyGate 2.6

Internet Message Gateway? Here your advertising?

A word about your business philosophy is appreciated. ;-)

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Re[2]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Allie Martin
Henk De Bruijn, [HDB] wrote:

HDB Me too! I would like to have the same look. What do I have to do or
HDB where do I have to go?

The answer is in WindowBlinds:

http://www.windowblinds.net

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Richard Wakeford
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The answer is in WindowBlinds:

You've caused me a lot of wasted hours by pointing me in that direction
:-)

It's great fun to play with and there are some lovely skins around. I'm
playing with Pup (skin that is) at the moment!

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread MAU
Hello Richard,

 You've caused me a lot of wasted hours by pointing me in that direction
 :-)

Not only you :-)

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Richard Wakeford
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 You've caused me a lot of wasted hours by pointing me in that direction
 :-)

 Not only you :-)

So Allie is responsible for bringing the world to a halt as we all try
Windowblinds.

Sorry mods, I know we're drifting a bit here.

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Re[2]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Allie Martin
Richard Wakeford, [RW] wrote:

RW So Allie is responsible for bringing the world to a halt as we all
RW try Windowblinds.

RW Sorry mods, I know we're drifting a bit here.

Hmmm. There's still some relationship in that it's about spiffing up the
TB! interface.

I do have the view that those who wish for TB!'s interface to be spiffed
up, will have an appreciation for a generally spiffed up Windows
appearance with TB! being part of the general change.

So I think with the ability to change the glyphs, there's no need to ask
Ritlabs to make things spiffy. Just use something like WindowBlinds.

TB!'s interface strength is with it's layout. It's very nice and usable.

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Re: More missing messages

2004-01-17 Thread jwayne
On Friday, January 16, 2004, 11:30:23 AM, Quin Selman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

QS   It happened once before that all messages in a particular folder
QS   suddenly turned invisible. They were reported in the tree as
QS   existing but nothing showed in the message list. I was able to
QS   rectify this situation by using Empty Folder to store the messages
QS   temporarily in the trash (they were readable there), then deleting
QS   and re-creating the problem folder. I could then move the messages
QS   back from the trash to the new folder, where they were now displayed
QS   correctly.

QS   Now it's happened again. This time it's the inbox under one account.
QS   There should be 21 messages displayed but they are invisible in the
QS   message list. Using Empty Folder, I moved them to the trash, where
QS   they are visible. But I can't delete and re-create the Inbox folder
QS   as I did with the ordinary folder in the previous instance.

QS   Any suggestions? And has anyone else had this problem?

QS   By the way, I'm using the Christmas Edition now but I don't think I
QS   was when I first experienced the problem.

Yep, I have the problem if it's where nothing appears in the message list, but
you can still cursor through the blank messages and see them in the preview
pane. Mentioned it previously on tbudl. Happens with some folders in one
account, and only with the threaded views (Alt-1, 2, 3, 4) but not non-threaded
(Alt-0). Even happened with the Trash folder!

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inbox corrupted - Christmas Edition

2004-01-17 Thread Mike F
I have been using The Bat for years without any problems.  I am
running Windows ME and recently upgraded to the Christmas Edition
(2.03.3). Last night I opened The Bat and started receiving my new
messages.  On the last message, message 88 out of 88, it gave an error
like Could not store message, saving as C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\bat81C4.TMP.
(This is not the precise wording of the error message but it is pretty
close.) And it would continue very slowly saving messages in
C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\ with different filenames. I got tired of watching it
do this, so I shut it down and restarted the program.  After
restarting, it did the exact same thing: received 88 messages, the
same error, and started writing messages to C:\WINDOWS\TEMP.

Next I downgraded to 2.00.6 but I could not access any of the over
1,600 messages in my inbox.  The message count was correct but the
inbox appeared completely blank. The other folders were fine. (By the
way, I definitely had View/Display/All Messages selected.) I
downgraded to version 1.62 but it was the same.  I opened the file for
my inbox, MESSAGES.TBB, in a text editor and could see my messages
that way.  My guess is that the format for this file was corrupted and
The Bat could no longer read it.

I was fortunate that I had a full backup from December 30, 2003.  I
tried restoring the backup using version 1.62 but it just froze.  So I
completely uninstalled The Bat, then installed version 2.01.3, and
restored the backup.  Everything is fine now except I lost this
month's messages and my address book.  I think I lost my address book
because unless you change the default, it only backs up Trusted Root
CA.

Overall the damage for me was pretty minimal because I had a backup
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Re: inbox corrupted - Christmas Edition

2004-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Mike,

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:08:18 -0500 GMT (18/01/2004, 10:08 +0700 GMT),
Mike F wrote:

 I have been using The Bat for years without any problems.  I am
 running Windows ME and recently upgraded to the Christmas Edition
 (2.03.3). Last night I opened The Bat and started receiving my new
 messages.  On the last message, message 88 out of 88, it gave an error
 like Could not store message, saving as C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\bat81C4.TMP.
 (This is not the precise wording of the error message but it is pretty
 close.) And it would continue very slowly saving messages in
 C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\ with different filenames. I got tired of watching it
 do this, so I shut it down and restarted the program.  After
 restarting, it did the exact same thing: received 88 messages, the
 same error, and started writing messages to C:\WINDOWS\TEMP.

Take a look at this message directly on the server. Either message 88,
or 87. One of them may be damaged.

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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Nick Andriash
Hello Allie,

On Saturday, January 17 2004 at 05:58 PM PDT, you wrote:

 So I think with the ability to change the glyphs, there's no need to ask
 Ritlabs to make things spiffy. Just use something like WindowBlinds.

I would still like to see a customisable Toolbar along with some nice
'finishing touches' around the window edges, etc., similar to Eudora. 

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Re[2]: inbox corrupted - Christmas Edition

2004-01-17 Thread Mike F
Thomas,

Saturday, January 17, 2004, 10:09:22 PM, you wrote:

TF Take a look at this message directly on the server. Either message 88,
TF or 87. One of them may be damaged.

Unfortunately, I didn't think of this at the time.  Those messages are
long gone from the server now.

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TB! with shared message folders on a network drive: has version 2 got any file locking?

2004-01-17 Thread Maksym Kozub
Hello,

it is really nice to be on TBUDL again (I used to be a subscriber long
ago). I'm now curious to know whether version 2.x has any sort of
locking implemented. I've read some discussions on that subject by
Thomas Fernandez and others back in March 2003; now I'm trying version
2.02.03CE, and you probably know better than I do whether anything has
changed (or if not, then whether anything _is_ going to change) in
those terms. Hope somebody would enlighten me on that.

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Re[2]: inbox corrupted - Christmas Edition

2004-01-17 Thread Mike F
Allie,

Saturday, January 17, 2004, 10:53:31 PM, you wrote:

AM - Do you compress your Inbox regularly? The Inbox will grow to
AM enormous   sizes for those who download a lot of mail, even though
AM the mail may   be filtered to other folders. Copies of all mail
AM remain in the Inbox   message base until you do a compression.

No, I wasn't compressing my inbox.  This probably explains why it was
getting slower and slower to display messages every time I clicked on
the inbox folder!  I've set the inbox to compress on exit now.  Thanks
for pointing this out.

AM - What's the size of your Temp folder? Is it massive and making you run
AM   low on disk space. TB! always saves messages to your temp folder while
AM   downloading. If there's no space to do this or the saving to temp
AM   folder operation is interfered with, the downloading process will be
AM   affected.

I have 16GB free on my hard disk.  C:\WINDOWS\TEMP is 4GB.  Does it
matter if the TEMP folder is large if I have plenty of free space?

AM - Are you running any antivirus software that checks incoming mail.
AM   They're notorious for affecting TB! mail download. This can be a
AM   sporadic and rather unpredictable at times, so the fact that you've
AM   not been having problems doesn't rule it out as being the problem now.

I am running ZoneAlarm 3.7.098 so that could be an issue although I
more suspicious of Bat CE because that is the only recent change to my
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inbox corrupted - Christmas Edition (reposted)

2004-01-17 Thread Mike F
I am reposting this message because I originally sent it as a reply
when it should have been a new message.



I have been using The Bat for years without any problems.  I
am running Windows ME and recently upgraded to the Christmas Edition
(2.03.3). Last night I opened The Bat and started receiving my new
messages.  On the last message, message 88 out of 88, it gave an error
like Could not store message, saving as C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\bat81C4.TMP.
(This is not the precise wording of the error message but it is pretty
close.) And it would continue very slowly saving messages in
C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\ with different filenames. I got tired of watching it
do this, so I shut it down and restarted the program.  After
restarting, it did the exact same thing: received 88 messages, the
same error, and started writing messages to C:\WINDOWS\TEMP.

Next I downgraded to 2.00.6 but I could not access any of the over
1,600 messages in my inbox.  The message count was correct but the
inbox appeared completely blank. The other folders were fine. (By the
way, I definitely had View/Display/All Messages selected.) I
downgraded to version 1.62 but it was the same.  I opened the file for
my inbox, MESSAGES.TBB, in a text editor and could see my messages
that way.  My guess is that the format for this file was corrupted and
The Bat could no longer read it.

I was fortunate that I had a full backup from December 30, 2003.  I
tried restoring the backup using version 1.62 but it just froze.  So I
completely uninstalled The Bat, then installed version 2.01.3, and
restored the backup.  Everything is fine now except I lost this
month's messages and my address book.  I think I lost my address book
because unless you change the default, it only backs up Trusted Root
CA.

Overall the damage for me was pretty minimal because I had a backup
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Q: Rodent wheels

2004-01-17 Thread malexander
Hi

Is it just me or does TB not accept wheel input?  When I'm scrolling
through a message I have to use the vertical bar instead of the mouse
wheel.

This is on XP Pro SP1 with a Logitech cordless trackball using TB
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Re: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Henk de Bruijn
Allie Martin wrote:

 Henk De Bruijn, [HDB] wrote:

HDB Me too! I would like to have the same look. What do I have to do or
HDB where do I have to go?

 The answer is in WindowBlinds:

 http://www.windowblinds.net

Which font is this?

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Re: Q: Rodent wheels

2004-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello malexander,

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:00:30 + GMT (18/01/2004, 12:00 +0700 GMT),
malexander wrote:

 Is it just me or does TB not accept wheel input?  When I'm scrolling
 through a message I have to use the vertical bar instead of the mouse
 wheel.

It is just you. ;-)

 This is on XP Pro SP1 with a Logitech cordless trackball using TB
 version 2.01.3.

At the office I use XP Pro SP1 and use TB with the scroll wheel. I was
so happy with it when using TB that I bought a scroll wheel mouse for
my home computer, using Win98. Also under Win98 TB reacts beautifully
to the scroll wheel.

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Re: TB! with shared message folders on a network drive: has version 2 got any file locking?

2004-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maksym,

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:47:02 +0200 GMT (18/01/2004, 11:47 +0700 GMT),
Maksym Kozub wrote:

 it is really nice to be on TBUDL again (I used to be a subscriber long
 ago). I'm now curious to know whether version 2.x has any sort of
 locking implemented. I've read some discussions on that subject by
 Thomas Fernandez and others back in March 2003; now I'm trying version
 2.02.03CE, and you probably know better than I do whether anything has
 changed (or if not, then whether anything _is_ going to change) in
 those terms. Hope somebody would enlighten me on that.

It has not been mentioned in any changelog, that's all I know.

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Park / Unpark by keyboard

2004-01-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello TBUDL,

I toggle the flagged flag with crtl-G.

I recently found out that I can park messages with crtl-J. But crtl-J
doesn' toggle. Why not? And how can I unpark a message with the
keyboard?

TIA.

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Re: Park / Unpark by keyboard

2004-01-17 Thread ken green
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 I toggle the flagged flag with crtl-G.

 I recently found out that I can park messages with crtl-J. But crtl-J
 doesn' toggle. Why not? And how can I unpark a message with the
 keyboard?


Try Ctrl + D to UnPark.  I know, it's weird.

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Re[2]: The Bat! versus others

2004-01-17 Thread Allie Martin
Henk De Bruijn, [HDB] wrote:

 http://www.windowblinds.net

HDB Which font is this?

Where? I don't know which font you're referring to.

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