Strange error while importing
Hi, i m trying to import my messages from microsoft Outlook express ! During the importation , thebat! crash ! Here is the log file i found Thanks in advance OFFICE/computer1 5/17/04 5:29:47 PM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/17/04 5:30:36 PM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/17/04 5:31:26 PM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/17/04 5:36:58 PM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/17/04 6:38:49 PM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/17/04 7:01:09 PM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 7:59:39 AM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 7:59:45 AM oexpress:1 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0077D563 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0017B44A OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 9:53:02 AM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 9:53:08 AM oexpress:1 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0077D563 in module 'TheBat.EXE'. Read of address 0017B44A OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 10:06:23 AM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 10:06:37 AM oexpress:1 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0077D563 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0017B44A OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 10:32:12 AM oexpress:1 EStackOverflow Stack overflow OFFICE/computer1 5/21/04 10:32:17 AM oexpress:1 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0077D563 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0017B44A Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
Hello folks, I have finally migrated to Linux. I do know that there is an export function in the Bat!, however, any advise on how to export (messages, accounts) to Linux would be higly appreciated. I should say that it is pitty there is no Linux version of the Bat!. Thanks a lot. -- Mamuka Khantadze Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
Mamuka Khantadze wrote: Hello folks, I have finally migrated to Linux. I do know that there is an export function in the Bat!, however, any advise on how to export (messages, accounts) to Linux would be higly appreciated. I should say that it is pitty there is no Linux version of the Bat!. Thanks a lot. At one stage there was a report that a linux port was going to be done, I am still waiting :) Sean -- GPG Key Id 120A02FB ICQ: 679813 linuxcounter: #231986 BBS telnet://tcob1.no-ip.com 1800- UTC HomePage http://www.tcob1.net Forums http://forums.tcob1.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Peter Meyns wrote: A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? I'm copying this over to TBOT to move discussion there. I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag line (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message list view. Do the anti-top-posting crusaders (or even those that strongly believe against top-posting) also view their message list with new messages at the bottom? Is it silly to even be making the connection? It would seem that if logical flow of conversation is a main argument for top-posting, a similar argument could be used for viewing a list of messages and threads. Or does the flow issue matter only *within* a message because of the *context* issue? That makes sense to me. Note that I'm not trying to bait anyone or start an argument. I'm genuinely curious about this. I have used both new messages at bottom and new messages at top for viewing messages. I have even used both at the same time, across different accounts - new at top for business mail, new at bottom for everything else. (I continue to top-post for business mail). To me, it usually makes more sense/logic to put new mail at bottom - especially using the logic of flow argument. But viewing new items at bottom often requires more work - and in some cases, it's downright impossible when trying to implement the concept across multiple applications. (why just do this for e-mail?) One thing that threw a wrench in the workings of my perception on this was the idea of a physical Inbox, and realizing that new messages at top more closely resembles a real-world Inbox. I don't know very many people that would put new items at the bottom of the stack in their physical Inbox. But maybe I just don't know the right kind of people... ;) Thoughts? Suggestions? Ridicule? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
Sean Rima wrote: At one stage there was a report that a linux port was going to be done, I am still waiting :) Additionally, TB! reportedly runs very well under WINE. The developers are so occupied with completing/refining new features as well as debugging, that I doubt we'll be seeing a Linux port for the foreseeable future. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running ThunderBird v0.6 on XP Pro SP1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 20:49, Mamuka Khantadze wrote: Hello folks, I have finally migrated to Linux. I do know that there is an export function in the Bat!, however, any advise on how to export (messages, accounts) to Linux would be higly appreciated. I should say that it is pitty there is no Linux version of the Bat!. Thanks a lot. Just for information: I has worked perfectly. I have ran the Bat! in Linux (under wine), collected all my emails from different folders (pretty boring :-) ), selected export to unix mailbox, and saved it. Then I've used Evolutions import future from a single file and whola, all my emails been imported (whole 1967 of them) Great Thanks to everybody. If I ever go back to windows for emailing, I'll will use the Bat! for sure Cheers -- Mamuka Khantadze Finance Administration Director Healthy Women in Georgia Program (http://healthywomen.ge) John Snow (JSI) Research Training Institute, Inc. (http://jsi.com) 25 Gogebashvili street, 4600, Kutaisi, Georgia Tel./Fax: +995-331 45363. 45364, 45717 Mobile: +995-99 929297, E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
On Mon, 31 May 2004 11:23:38 -0500 Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Rima wrote: At one stage there was a report that a linux port was going to be done, I am still waiting :) Additionally, TB! reportedly runs very well under WINE. The developers are so occupied with completing/refining new features as well as debugging, that I doubt we'll be seeing a Linux port for the foreseeable future. I have run it under Wine but it is very slow Sean -- GPG Key Id 120A02FB ICQ: 679813 linuxcounter: #231986 BBS telnet://tcob1.no-ip.com 1800- UTC Homepage http://www.tcob1.net Forums http://forums.tcob1.net Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
ken green wrote: One thing that threw a wrench in the workings of my perception on this was the idea of a physical Inbox, and realizing that new messages at top more closely resembles a real-world Inbox. We do it that way since we can't really do any better when managing and organising physical objects which is what snail mail is about. Electronic data offers a lot more flexibility and ease with organizing without presenting practical difficulties. Take threading for instance. We do this with great ease with e-mail. Try this with your office mail .. quite a challenge just to physically do a batch which is done using TB! at the flick of a switch. With the flick of other switches we can change how we thread. Not practical with snail mail. Now try maintaining the threaded physical mail, something we do automatically with e-mail. Finally, retrieve a thread of physical mail correspondence. Not as easy as e-mail. Take a nested reply vs a top post. With snail mail, we often send replies with a copy of the original message attached at the back. Why? That's the most convenient way. A nested reply would be ridiculously tedious and not worth the effort. This isn't a problem electronically since we can easily insert text between segments of the original and easily specially mark the original to differentiate it from the reply text. In this way, context is better gleaned and followed. Why restrict ourselves by top posting since this is the format we use with snail mail, when really and truly, on most occasions, we do so out of convenience. IOW's, what I'm getting at is that e-mail offers advantages that physical mail does not. Why try to restrict e-mail and how we work with it, by working with it the same way in which we are forced to work with snail mail? Our list rules are based on this premise. All members currently don't, nor will all members ever agree with the rules these lists are bound by. One things for sure, is that the rules are based on a lot of experience with what seems to go well with the majority. Most also go well with the majority outside the scope of this discussion list. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running ThunderBird v0.6 on XP Pro SP1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi ken, On Mon, 31 May 2004, at 11:05:24 [GMT -0500] (which was 10:05 AM where I live) you wrote: kg I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag kg line (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message kg list view. On folders where I view threads (mainly lists), then I sort by ascending (older messages at top), because just like reading an e-mail, I read from top to bottom). My inbox on the other hand, is sorted descending (newer at top). -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: I get enough exercise just pushin' my luck. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Allie Martin wrote: We do it that way since we can't really do any better when managing and organising physical objects which is what snail mail is about. Electronic data offers a lot more flexibility and ease with organizing without presenting practical difficulties. To be clear, I wasn't arguing against the list rule of top-posting at all. I was asking whether staunch anti-top-posters always viewed their messages lists with new messages at the bottom. I only threw in the comment at the end about the physical Inbox because it was a different way of doing things - not as an argument *for* top-posting (or even top-viewing). Your explanation was good, though, and perhaps should be saved and made part of the mod for top-posting? Or at least part of the welcome message? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 21:33, Sean Rima wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2004 11:23:38 -0500 Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Rima wrote: At one stage there was a report that a linux port was going to be done, I am still waiting :) Additionally, TB! reportedly runs very well under WINE. The developers are so occupied with completing/refining new features as well as debugging, that I doubt we'll be seeing a Linux port for the foreseeable future. I have run it under Wine but it is very slow Sean You are right. Very slow!!! -- Mamuka Khantadze Finance Administration Director Healthy Women in Georgia Program (http://healthywomen.ge) John Snow (JSI) Research Training Institute, Inc. (http://jsi.com) 25 Gogebashvili street, 4600, Kutaisi, Georgia Tel./Fax: +995-331 45363. 45364, 45717 Mobile: +995-99 929297, E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wheater in signature
Hi list, On my quest for more useless things to have in my signature I've now reached the weather... :-) Anyone know of a program that downloads the actual weather for a specific city (in my case Malmö, Sweden) to a simple textfile so I can use it in my signature. Cheers Thomas -- Thomas Andersson - Sweden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running The Bat! 2.10.03 on Windows XP Build number 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 325 Processing time: 149 days, 9 hours. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0422-1, 2004-05-27 Tested on: 2004-05-31 18:58:52 avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to Linux - Exporting from The Bat!
***^\ ~~( __ _o Was Mon, 31 May 2004, at 20:49:56 +0500, @ @ when Mamuka Khantadze wrote: I have finally migrated to Linux. I do know that there is an export function in the Bat!, however, any advise on how to export (messages, accounts) to Linux would be higly appreciated. When I want my mail from TB in Linux, I firstly select messages I want exported, and then use: Tools - Export Messages - UNIX Mailbox, and save the file(s) with .mbx extension. Then I import them usually in Sylpheed. It actually saves bunch of messages in one (plain text) file (mailbox), which is readable by all mailers, while those with extension .msg (only TB!?) and .eml (only O/OE?) are not. I don't know for accounts/settings, since never tried that. I should say that it is pitty there is no Linux version of the Bat!. Yes, it is. -- Mica Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wheater in signature
***^\ ~~( __ _o Was Mon, 31 May 2004, at 18:58:50 +0200, @ @ when Thomas Andersson wrote: Hi list, On my quest for more useless things to have in my signature I've now reached the weather... :-) Anyone know of a program that downloads the actual weather for a specific city (in my case Malmö, Sweden) to a simple textfile so I can use it in my signature. I do it manualy: putting a glance through window. :-) -- Mica Weather: sunny, sparrows tweet, few white laced clouds in the skyblue sky. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wheater in signature
Hello Thomas, Anyone know of a program that downloads the actual weather for a specific city (in my case Malmö, Sweden) to a simple textfile so I can use it in my signature. Oh no! Please don't! 'Cause if you do, people will start requesting macros to convert weather in Malmo to weather where I live ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wheater in signature
Monday, May 31, 2004, 8:38:52 PM, you wrote: M Hello Thomas, Anyone know of a program that downloads the actual weather for a specific city (in my case Malmö, Sweden) to a simple textfile so I can use it in my signature. M Oh no! Please don't! 'Cause if you do, people will start requesting M macros to convert weather in Malmo to weather where I live ;-) Easy... Temperature Malmö + 10 degress = temperature Spain :-) /Thomas --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0422-1, 2004-05-27 Tested on: 2004-05-31 20:44:30 avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Change E-Mail Address for TBUDL
Greg, Sunday, May 30, 2004, 1:41:32 PM, you wrote: MR Do I need to unsubscribe and re-subscribe? GS No see above. Done. Thanks. -- Michael Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.10.03 on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Hi, Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do I enable the copy-to and move-to folders buttons while reading a message (using separate window mode)? Regards, Arthur -- SecureBat! Lite 2.10.02 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Dear Arthur, @31-May-2004, 16:10 -0400 (31-May 21:10 UK time) Arthur Tan [AT] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AT Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do I enable the copy-to AT and move-to folders buttons while reading a message (using separate AT window mode)? Use the shortcut keys - by default I think these are Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v respectively. Although, for these to work, you may need to have the message list enabled and it must have the focus. Alternatively, the functions can be found on the Message menu. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.11 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpMWzgh2tut2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Hello Arthur! On Monday, May 31, 2004, 3:10 PM, you wrote: AT ... how do I enable the copy-to and move-to folders buttons while AT reading a message (using separate window mode)? The version of The Bat! I'm using has a right-click menu (focus on message body) with copy-to. (A third way besides the one Marck mentioned, but it doesn't have move-to. Both copy-to and move-to show on the right-click menu when a message is highlighted on the message list, however.) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: multi-language templates
Hello Robin, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 2:19:12 AM, you wrote: RA You would need to create Reply and Forward RA message templates in a similar way. However, it shouldn't be too RA difficult to do. Your proposition (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) works very well. But for the moment I have it working only for New Messages. I am wondering what is the best way to use it also for Reply and Forward templates? Of course, it would be possible create three QT SetLanguage like the one you described: %SetLanguage1 calls the templates for New Messages. %SetLanguage2 calls the templates for Replies. %SetLanguage3 calls the templates for forwarding messages. And in the Account or Folder templates I could include %SetLanguage1 in the New Message template, %SetLanguage2 in the Reply template, etc... I didn't try it yet. But this should not be a problem. But I wonder whether there is no other solution? Something more elegant? Having one single chain of templates instead of three Does anybody have some ideas? -- Greetings from old Europe to Robin in Australia, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ the sig delimiter left TB correctly formatted! ] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Hello Marck, AT Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do I enable the copy-to AT and move-to folders buttons while reading a message (using separate AT window mode)? Use the shortcut keys - by default I think these are Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v respectively. Although, for these to work, you may need to have the message list enabled and it must have the focus. I guess he means while using View Folder window. I never use it and that is probably why I had never noticed but there are two greyed buttons for Copy and Copy to... Same options are available from the Edit menu but also greyed. Any idea why? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Dear Miguel, @31-May-2004, 23:45 +0200 (31-May 22:45 UK time) MAU [MAU] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Use the shortcut keys - by default I think these are Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v respectively. Although, for these to work, you may need to have the message list enabled and it must have the focus. MAU I guess he means while using View Folder window. I never use it MAU and that is probably why I had never noticed but there are two MAU greyed buttons for Copy and Copy to... Same options are MAU available from the Edit menu but also greyed. Any idea why? No idea - I always use folder views (usually tickerVF) and it's always been there for me :-/ . -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.11 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0ATJc9zTcZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: AV
Hi I know this isn't the most appropriate place but... My Norton AV sub runs out in 36 hours. I bought the Norton 2004 update. I've used Norton for years. Guess what? It trashed my computer to the extent that I had to overwrite C: with the last image I made. So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) Thanks. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
Hello Mike! On Monday, May 31, 2004, 5:08 PM, you wrote: m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) I'll chance getting a trout: Kaspersky. Please subscribe to tbot right away. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hello Ken, Monday, May 31, 2004, 6:05:24 PM, you wrote: A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? kg It would seem that if logical flow of conversation is a main kg argument for top-posting, a similar argument could be used for viewing kg a list of messages and threads. kg Thoughts? Suggestions? Ridicule? Did you ever have a look at the transmission protocols in the headers of email messages with this question in mind??? It is not exactly what you would call a logical flow... (-: It is a kind of recursive top-posting or however you might want to call it. -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ the sig delimiter left TB correctly formatted! ] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
Hello malexander, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 12:08:05 AM, you wrote: m Hi m I know this isn't the most appropriate place but... m My Norton AV sub runs out in 36 hours. I bought the Norton 2004 m update. I've used Norton for years. m Guess what? It trashed my computer to the extent that I had to m overwrite C: with the last image I made. m So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: m AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, m so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short m of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) I would go for AVG. The reason is that Kaspersky uses LOTS of resources. -- Best regards, Ketilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
Hi Mike, On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 3:08:05 PM PST, you wrote: So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: AVG or Kaspersky. Of those two, I would favor Kaspersky. However, I feel you'd be even better off with NOD32 from Eset: http://www.nod32.com/ -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.10.01 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpC5suiEHW60.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
m AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, m so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short m of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) I'm using AVG. It has a plugin for The Bat! Does Kaspersky have a plugin for The Bat!? -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Cyrille, On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, at 00:11:08 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:11 PM where I live) you wrote: C Did you ever have a look at the transmission protocols in the C headers of email messages with this question in mind??? It is not C exactly what you would call a logical flow... (-: It is a kind of C recursive top-posting or however you might want to call it. Moving to TBOT And can you imagine the enormous overhead a server would have if it had to parse each and every message to determine where to stick its hop information instead of just sticking it on top. Sometimes top posting is warranted (i.e. tech support situations between two people), at work where everyone wants to top post, but on these lists, it's not allowed. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: A broken Window gets you 7 meg. of bad luck Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello malexander, On 31 May 2004, 23:08 malexander [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, M so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short M of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) What's the rush? Download one and try it. Then the other and see what you like. You could try quite a few... Sophos, Nod32, whatever. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11 RC/1 | BayesIt! 0.5.4 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQLuz6zknq5PWREYNEQJo6wCgi1OjoUul/TJfj0yJQ2nPz97dUFcAn0OR MPFm5/Bbb+zppS4HTgHuTod7 =cj15 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
On Tue 1 June 2004, 7:45:49 +1000, Mau wrote: I guess he means while using View Folder window. I never use it and that is probably why I had never noticed but there are two greyed buttons for Copy and Copy to... Same options are available from the Edit menu but also greyed. Any idea why? For me the menu options appear when you select text in the message, and they are for copying a block of text, not a message. The buttons remain greyed out even when text is selected. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Hello Robin, On Tue 1 June 2004, 7:45:49 +1000, Mau wrote: I guess he means while using View Folder window. I never use it and that is probably why I had never noticed but there are two greyed buttons for Copy and Copy to... Same options are available from the Edit menu but also greyed. Any idea why? For me the menu options appear when you select text in the message, and they are for copying a block of text, not a message. The buttons remain greyed out even when text is selected. Ah OK. Same here. I had not tried to select text. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TBUDL Mission Statement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings TB Listers, This is your monthly message from the moderation team to remind you of the primary purpose of this discussion list. To review the list rules, follow the link at the end of this message. Before posting a question to the list, please check The Bat! User's FAQ at: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html and the list archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There is also a beginners MAQ (Most Asked Questions) available by clicking here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and sending the resulting message. TBUDL Mission statement The TBUDL list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat! and how to use it. It is a community of users ready and able to help new users get to grips with some of the capabilities of this flexible email client. More complex issues are discussed on the TBTECH list (see below for details). Simply send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send it to the whole list. See the notes at the end of this message for details about how to manage your list membership or to leave the list. It would probably be a good idea for you to set up a folder to keep TBUDL messages in. If you do this, the next most useful thing to have in place is an automatic filter to move mail from your inbox into your TBUDL folder. Set up a filter for incoming mail which looks for Strings LocationPresence Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kludges Yes Options: Regular expressions (Checked). The TBUDL Rogues Gallery There is a TBUDL Rogues Gallery, letting you put a face to the name. The gallery can be viewed at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/rogues.html Want to add your face to the gallery? Here's how: Send your picture by e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Ideally you should provide it as a 120x144 jpeg image. For those of you who do not know how or do not have an image editing program to do this, send the image to Marck and he'll do it. Make sure you include your name as you want it to appear on the page. TBOT - The Bat off topic discussion list One of our members has created a list for those occasional off topic discussions of public interest. Please feel free to join this list, where many of our readership currently participate. Addresses: Post message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTECH - The Bat technical discussion list The TBTECH list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The Bat! and related issues that are of a more technical nature than is catered for in the TBUDL list. Such topics as Regular Expression, RFC content and compliance, plug-in programming, Spell-checker semantics, 3rd party software, ISP policy, Internet protocols and anything else that would bore a beginner into leaving the TBUDL! Addresses: Post message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: (via the administrative web interface) Important disclaimer The moderators and list administrators are not affiliated with RIT Labs or the development of TB, although the developers are, themselves members of the list and will sometimes chip in. If you wish to contact the developers, please use The Bat! main menu Help .. Feedback options or, if you need to write to the programmers directly, send mail to: Stefan Tanurkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Max Masyutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for joining, and we hope that you find this list of use. Contacts THE FOLLOWING E-MAIL ADDRESSES SHOULD ONLY BE USED WHEN YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE ** LIST MODERATORS OR LIST ADMINISTRATORS **. DO NOT SEND THE BAT! RELATED QUESTIONS HERE; THEY WILL *NOT* GET
Re[2]: OT: AV
Hello Martin, Monday, May 31, 2004, 11:38:30 PM, you wrote: MW -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MW Hash: SHA1 MW Hello malexander, MW On 31 May 2004, 23:08 malexander [M] in MW mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, M so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short M of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) MW What's the rush? Download one and try it. Then the other and see what MW you like. You could try quite a few... Sophos, Nod32, whatever. g Pure panic really g I've never caught anything because I'm careful and the thought of having lapsed protection doesn't do my blood pressure any favours. I just took a look at the very interesting Virus Bulletin results... -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: AV
Hello Simon, Monday, May 31, 2004, 11:28:37 PM, you wrote: m AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, m so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short m of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) SE I'm using AVG. It has a plugin for The Bat! Does Kaspersky have a SE plugin for The Bat!? No idea. ;-) I've never used a plug-in. NAV is an external checker and I'd assumed that was the way they all worked... -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: AV
Hello Melissa, Monday, May 31, 2004, 11:24:05 PM, you wrote: MR Hi Mike, MR On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 3:08:05 PM PST, you wrote: So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: AVG or Kaspersky. MR Of those two, I would favor Kaspersky. However, I feel you'd be even MR better off with NOD32 from Eset: MR http://www.nod32.com/ Never heard of it before. But thanks, I'm really glad you mentioned it. I checked it out at Virus Bulletin and it was the best of the lot by a long way. I'm downloading the trial right now! -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: AV
Hello Ketil, Monday, May 31, 2004, 11:18:44 PM, you wrote: KT Hello malexander, KT Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 12:08:05 AM, you wrote: m Hi m I know this isn't the most appropriate place but... m My Norton AV sub runs out in 36 hours. I bought the Norton 2004 m update. I've used Norton for years. m Guess what? It trashed my computer to the extent that I had to m overwrite C: with the last image I made. m So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: m AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, m so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short m of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) KT I would go for AVG. The reason is that Kaspersky uses LOTS of KT resources. Thanks. Had quite a few votes for AVG, though, at the moment, I'm leaning towards NOD32 having seen he results in the Virus Bulletin. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: AV
Hello Mary, Monday, May 31, 2004, 11:11:34 PM, you wrote: MB Hello Mike! MB On Monday, May 31, 2004, 5:08 PM, you wrote: m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) MB I'll chance getting a trout: Kaspersky. Hi Mary - thatnks for your vote. It's running about 3:2 for AVG at the moment (I've had mails as well) but I'm leaning towards Melissa suggestion of NOD32. According to the Virus Bulletin results it really kicks ass ;-) MB Please subscribe to tbot right away. :) hahaha! Always meant to, but with UDL and Beta I get loads of messages already. I will do eventually though :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: enabling copy-to and move-to folders while reading messages
Hi, MAU I guess he means while using View Folder window. I never use it MAU and that is probably why I had never noticed but there are two MAU greyed buttons for Copy and Copy to... Same options are MAU available from the Edit menu but also greyed. Any idea why? MDP No idea - I always use folder views (usually tickerVF) and it's MDP always been there for me :-/ . Yes, I meant while in View Folder window. The copy-to and move-to buttons are greyed out for me there. I was just wondering if there was a way to enable them. Copy-to and Move-to would be very useful at that point. If anyone has an answer, please post to the list! Thanks, Arthur -- SecureBat! Lite 2.10.02 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatic Signing
Greetings, How does one automatically sign all emails sent to a particular address and not to others? -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA @104 Philospher Teacher Critic Big Brother is watching - George Orwell (1984) Exploiting The Bat! version 2.10.03 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Nod32 anti-virus SpamPal anti-Spam Outpost Pro Firewall pgp8E0P7zsIpV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bad Signature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings All, I tried to sign an email to myself. When verifying it with the bat and PGP 8.03, I am told that it is a bad signature. Ideas? - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA @142 Philospher Teacher Critic Big Brother is watching - George Orwell (1984) - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.10.03 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQLvpJG2u7N+Qh+ieEQLYTwCdFC2Tq8LzBkF9sBslNJ9SgG0PO0sAniMs 0JzUtEfXAdKiLD++efrHuNsM =sBRu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, Monday, May 31, 2004, 5:08:05 PM, malexander wrote: m AVG or Kaspersky. I'm not registered with TBOT and need a quick vote, m so I hope the Moderators will allow me this quick post as I'm short m of time (Thanks, Guys, I hope g) m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) AVG carries my vote. Though I use the Professional version on this machine, I have 2 other machines that use the FreeWare version... with excellent results and *very* good protection. And yes, the FreeWare version works with The Bat! through the plug-in. - -- * * Best regards, * Marc. * New Orleans, LA (USA) * FIDONET=1:396/45 INTELEC=239:600/70 * INTERNET: marc.lewis at sstar dot com * TELNET://sursum-corda.com * BBS, DATA FAX: 1-504-897-6006 * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQLvqn/ku/tz1Eg1XEQIezQCgpsSxQJyf5wTfExc2mLtVcmK6gfEAnA9f R4BjywIxmmkUJ4ZVjcRO+BKG =Cse0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
Hello Mike! On Monday, May 31, 2004, 8:01 PM, you wrote: MB I'll chance getting a trout: Kaspersky. m Hi Mary - thatnks for your vote. It's running about 3:2 for AVG at m the moment (I've had mails as well) but I'm leaning towards Melissa m suggestion of NOD32. According to the Virus Bulletin results it m really kicks ass ;-) The most knowledgeable techs I know recommend NOD32. I'm running F-Secure right now. NOD32 is faster. I said Kaspersky, trying to be brief. I ran it for a year and found it excellent. It does have a plug-in for TB! But my understanding is that a plug-in isn't really necessary for protection. It uses more resources and has a slightly less friendly User Interface than F-Secure, in my experience. I ran AVG for a few months a couple of years ago. It's good, too. Some folks have been having trouble lately getting updates to download on the free version of it--according to Rootsweb's Virus Discussion List. MB Please subscribe to tbot right away. :) m hahaha! Always meant to, but with UDL and Beta I get loads of messages m already. I will do eventually though :) This is why I wanted you on tbot. I knew I'd be tempted to talk to you. I'm off topic and I'm continuing a thread that has already served its purpose. It's hurting my Puritan conscience, and it's making me feel I'm betraying a trust the moderators put in us. Subscribe to tbot soon, okay? Keep me out of trouble? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: AV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marc, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, you wrote: m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) ML AVG carries my vote. Though I use the Professional version on this ML machine, I have 2 other machines that use the FreeWare version... with ML excellent results and *very* good protection. And yes, the FreeWare ML version works with The Bat! through the plug-in. Do you have the link to the plugin ? - -- Best regards, Ketilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQLvrsmR1pVgEU3NbEQLbogCfbaAtUmwLHVgm1K09xRDpudIdgJ8AoJ68 myOLh9nk0Px/8QJqM4/w8kQr =V8k6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bad Signature?
On Tue 1 June 2004, 12:25:36 +1000, Michael L. Wilson wrote: I tried to sign an email to myself. When verifying it with the bat and PGP 8.03, I am told that it is a bad signature. Ideas? The signatures on both emails you have recently sent to the list verified fine here. However your cut mark doesn't work. It seems to be missing the trailing space. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: OT: AV
On 1 Jun 2004 at 4:36, Ketil Thorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this after talking to me on the radio: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marc, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, you wrote: m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) ML AVG carries my vote. Though I use the Professional version on this ML machine, I have 2 other machines that use the FreeWare version... with ML excellent results and *very* good protection. And yes, the FreeWare ML version works with The Bat! through the plug-in. Do you have the link to the plugin ? Here is the link to it. ftp://ftp.grisoft.com/pub/softw/thebat/avgbat10us.exe -- Best Regards and 73s, Michael W4MBK The early bird get's the worm -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 5-31-2004 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: OT: AV
Hello Michael, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:45:45 AM, you wrote: MK On 1 Jun 2004 at 4:36, Ketil Thorsen MK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this after talking to me on the MK radio: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marc, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, you wrote: m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) ML AVG carries my vote. Though I use the Professional version on this ML machine, I have 2 other machines that use the FreeWare version... with ML excellent results and *very* good protection. And yes, the FreeWare ML version works with The Bat! through the plug-in. Do you have the link to the plugin ? MK Here is the link to it. MK ftp://ftp.grisoft.com/pub/softw/thebat/avgbat10us.exe Thanks :-) -- Best regards, Ketilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[4]: OT: AV
On 1 Jun 2004 at 5:08, Ketil Thorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this after talking to me on the radio: Hello Michael, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:45:45 AM, you wrote: MK On 1 Jun 2004 at 4:36, Ketil Thorsen MK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this after talking to me on the MK radio: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marc, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, you wrote: m So, if anyone sees this - votes please for one or the other ;-) ML AVG carries my vote. Though I use the Professional version on this ML machine, I have 2 other machines that use the FreeWare version... with ML excellent results and *very* good protection. And yes, the FreeWare ML version works with The Bat! through the plug-in. Do you have the link to the plugin ? MK Here is the link to it. MK ftp://ftp.grisoft.com/pub/softw/thebat/avgbat10us.exe Thanks :-) Your welcome. -- Best Regards and 73s, Michael W4MBK Sit on it! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 5-31-2004 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AV
Monday, May 31, 2004, 4:08:05 PM, you wrote: m So,no more Norton. I have two candidates to decide from: m AVG or Kaspersky. I have an onsite computer help business and I'm finding each new version of both Norton McAfee more bloated and trouble-prone that the previous. I haven't tried Kasperksy so I can't give a comparison. I've been using AVG for some time and am quite happy with it -- and happy with the AVG plugin for The Bat. I'm using the free version. Actually, I'd be happy to use the pay version and give the authors something for their efforts but I dislike the interface of the pay version. -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cut mark test
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings All, I have played with the cut mark and wish to know if it is as it should be. - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA @164 Philospher Teacher Critic Big Brother is watching - George Orwell (1984) - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.10.03 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQLvw822u7N+Qh+ieEQLx8QCfXNtYzqmXLkJ3D9UPr6IL1i9+4JwAoOwu ZcgaVxWXqUDSaS4Vzu+hniE7 =AL6u -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? kg I'm curious about the logic of the above point from Peter's tag line kg (which I agree with) and applying the same logic to message list view. kg Do the anti-top-posting crusaders (or even those that strongly believe kg against top-posting) also view their message list with new messages at kg the bottom? kg snip This is the first list I've been on that had such a rigid rule against top posting -- and I go back to pre-internet tech forums on Compuserve. It's not a big deal to me and I certainly don't want to fight about it. I just want to comment. I think it depends on what you're doing. If I'm responding to several specific points in a message I'd want to do as this list requires -- quote each point and respond underneath. On the other hand, if I'm responding to the general idea in a message, I'd normally top post. In this case I view the quoted text as there for reference in case the recipient has forgotten the flow of the discussion. If it weren't for the rules here, I would have top quoted this message. In the latter case, it very much annoys me to have to scroll down past the quoted text to read the response. One especially annoying example was a message in this list that I just read. I had to scroll down below quoted text only to find a thank you for your help. I think something like this should always be top quoted. As for flow of the conversation, you get that by following the thread. I don't see the need to repeat that flow at the top of each reply -- unless you're responding to very specific points. That's my 2 cents worth. (I also like new messages at the top of my mailboxes -- so I don't have to scroll to the bottom to find them.) -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backing up everything
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings All, What must I backup to backup everything. I need to know because I wish to move The Bat to my laptop and stop using it on my desktop machine. - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philospher Teacher Critic Big Brother is watching - George Orwell (1984) - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.10.03 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQLwB/W2u7N+Qh+ieEQLuYACg/m+1uGXq//eclC1hKDKUXeYfeBwAniIs xddG/2vPWcELH4NM4Yb0XLEt =vais -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Wayne, On Mon, 31 May 2004, at 21:54:21 [GMT -0600] (which was 9:54 PM where I live) you wrote: WK In the latter case, it very much annoys me to have to scroll down WK past the quoted text to read the response. One especially annoying WK example was a message in this list that I just read. I had to WK scroll down below quoted text only to find a thank you for your WK help. I think something like this should always be top quoted. And hence the list rule regarding over-quoting. The netiquette rules make a great deal of sense, but if people only use part of the equation, then they never see how much better it is. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cut mark test
Hi Michael, On Mon, 31 May 2004, at 20:33:22 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:33 PM where I live) you wrote: MLW I have played with the cut mark and wish to know if it is as it MLW should be. You've got it! grin -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.11 Beta/9 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: Books you'll never see; Children's book of pop-up anatomy. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cut mark test
On Tue 1 June 2004, 13:33:22 +1000, Michael L. Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings All, I have played with the cut mark and wish to know if it is as it should be. Hmm, I've found the problem. If reply to your original message, TB! recognises your cut mark when it replies, although in the RTViewer text after the cut mark doesn't show as a signature. If I verify your signature, and reply to the tab labelled OK - PGP verified the cut mark does not work. I will have to leave it up to others to determine why, and whether it constitutes a bug in the software. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
quick template editor window
Hello TBUDL, While working a lot with quick templates I found The Bat!'s quick template editor quiet poor: small text entry area, no possibility to copy and duplicate QTs, no possibility to move QTs back and forth between different accounts... Is there another way of working with QTs than this? Where does TB keep the QTs? Couldn't I edit the file where TB keeps them with an external text editor? -- Best regards, Cyrille mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ the sig delimiter left TB correctly formatted! ] [ TB! 2.10.01, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backing up everything
Hello Michael, On Mon, 31 May 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MLW What must I backup to backup everything. I need to know because I MLW wish to move The Bat to my laptop and stop using it on my desktop MLW machine. Well, when I recently moved machines, I did a full backup with TB!s own facility and it worked fine although others would say I was foolhardy. I also had a full Registry backup as my new PC had the same mapping as the old. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.11 RC/1 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG anti-spam update and restarting TB
Thanks for your help, everyone. I'll just restart TB when I want to be sure that the plug in is using the latest virus database that I have downloaded. Hello Annette and Paul, I don't see this header in either mail I received or sent. Do you have the paid version of AVG 6? Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 2:19:48 PM, Annette wrote: AM Lee, AVG will add a header to your scanned mails, for example: AM | X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 6.0.0 [452] AM 452 indicates the virus database from May, 26th, whick you can verify AM checking the information tab in AVG proper. Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 12:49:46 PM, you wrote: PC On Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 3:21 AM, Paul wrote: LG You'll also see that this number does not change if you don't restart LG TB. Which brings me back to the original question in this thread: Is LG it necessary to restart TB to be sure that the plug in is utilizing the LG latest virus definition file? How can I know that it is up to date? PC I seem to recall that AVG used to ask me to shut down TB, but I don't PC remember it saying that in a while. PC the 6.0.690 is the AVG program version, 690, not the latest database PC version. So the plugin has to do with the version of AVG, not the latest PC database. I must disagree. On my system currently, AVG shows 6.0.693 which corresponds with virus database 454. Every time you download a new virus database, the last three numbers of your AVG version will change. -- Best regards, Lee Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
