Re[2]: TheBat Pricing
Peter Charles, Ok, honor system, basically. That's ok, and probably easier for RITLabs to track. -- Thanks, David Win][k sp4 TheBat 2.11 PM Hi David, PM on Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:58:59 +0200GMT, you wrote: DE On the TB web page, there is a list of prices, but there's no DE info about what's included/required. Are there special benefits DE to, for example, a business license? PM Welcome to TBUDL. :-) PM No, there are no differences of the versions you get. It is just meant PM to have a student pay less than a home user, who pays less than a PM business user. There is nothing required to prove. If you buy an PM educational version and use it for business, it's just that you PM infringe the license agreement, no more or less. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Pricing
Hello David, Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:43:28 +0200 UTC David Earl wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DE Ok, honor system, basically. That's ok, and probably easier for DE RITLabs to track. It's impossible to track, which is why you call it an honor system. -- Regards, Charles. The Bat! version 2.13 Lucky Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0 (2195 Service Pack 4) via Courier IMAP 3.06 on FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE pgpCWm07mgKr2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders NOT emptying on exit
Hallo Ron, On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:55:32 -0400GMT (13-8-2004, 22:55 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RC does anyone have any help for my 'problems' of folders not emptying on exit? Folders not emptying on exit can are most likely to be caused by not checking the checkboxes for On exit: Remove old messages Compress the folder That are found on the 'general' tab of the folder properties. You need to do that even when you've not checked and set 'Keep messages in the base for n days', but also when you've checked and set 'maximum number of messages' -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayes***** Plug-In.
Dear Chris, -- Freitag, 13. August 2004, 19:22:38: EC Sure I can. Here it comes Thanks for posting that, it made for very interesting reading. :-/ Which leads me to the following questions; My pleasure :) 1. Why have the option to install more than one anti-spam plug-in? Well RITlabs is not responsible for the Plug-Ins your installing. You as the user must decide on what you want. 2. Which one to go for (BayesIt or BayesFilter)? This is a related to your personal taste. Some like BayesIt! and others BayesFilter. Again other use some of the other anti Spam filters on the Market. Personally I use BayesIt! for quit some times and was always very happy with it. I only can suggest that you are trying every one individually for a while and then only make up your mind. -- liebe Grüsse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat Pricing
==Original message text=== From: Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Earl on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 13, 2004, 10:34:37 PM Subject: TheBat Pricing PM Hi David, PM on Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:58:59 +0200GMT, you wrote: DE On the TB web page, there is a list of prices, but there's no DE info about what's included/required. Are there special benefits DE to, for example, a business license? PM Welcome to TBUDL. :-) PM No, there are no differences of the versions you get. It is just meant PM to have a student pay less than a home user, who pays less than a PM business user. There is nothing required to prove. If you buy an PM educational version and use it for business, it's just that you PM infringe the license agreement, no more or less. ===End of original message text=== Strange policy : imagine a student who has bought TB student at the beginning of the year, who just get his diploma ad the end of the year and has his studies ended... Will he get a personal use license and pay TB a second time ? Or will he use TB Student for life ? -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.12.00 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Panda antivirus plugin
Hi tbudler, I just did a search on google about the panda antivirus plugin. The only plugin I found is the 0.1 test version which seems to work with the latest panda antivirus software. Does someone know if a more recent version has been realeased ? A question to ritlabs's staff : do you plan to publish official antivirus plugins such as the panda one in the future ? -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Secure Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Pricing
Hi WilWilWil, on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:40:20 +0200GMT, you wrote: W Strange policy : imagine a student who has bought TB student at the beginning W of the year, who just get his diploma ad the end of the year and has his studies W ended... Will he get a personal use license and pay TB a second time ? Or will W he use TB Student for life ? He can easily upgrade to the personal or business version by paying the difference. -- Cheers Peter | RandomSignature-Professional 3.2 - DEMO | !!!You are using an illegal key! Please buy a LEGAL copy!!! Winamp currently playing: Sarah McLachlan - I Will Remember You Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Adress Book vs. Adress Book Groups
Hello. Can someone point out the advantages/disadvantages of using separate adress books, or rather one adress book with several groups in it? If some people could write how they're using the adress book(s) or groups it would give me the right inspiration, maybe. :-) Thanks -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Pricing
Hello Peter Meyns, 14-Aug-2004 14:15, you wrote: | RandomSignature-Professional 3.2 - DEMO | !!!You are using an illegal key! Please buy a LEGAL copy!!! LOL!!! -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adress Book vs. Adress Book Groups
On Saturday, August 14, 2004 it appears that Alexander wrote the following in regards to Adress Book vs. Adress Book Groups: ASK Can someone point out the advantages/disadvantages of using separate adress ASK books, or rather one adress book with several groups in it? Hi Alexander. I don't see any advantages of using different address books unless I am creating a mailing list of some kind not spam where each person is addressed individually. Otherwise, I use one AB with groups as it's easier to filter for. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield CT USA TB! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 W2K v5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello: I've been running BayesIt for a while and it works beautifully. My accuracy right now is at 96.75%, so I guess I shouldn't complain. But out of a few hundred messages I get a day, it misses about 10 that look like obvious spam but were marked as not-spam. I checked the BAYESIT.LOG file and found that almost all messages are valued by BayesIt at either 99, 100 or 0. Its as if BayesIt thinks all messages are absolutely spam, or absolutely not-spam. In a sense I think this is good, and its because I started training it with a large collection of spam/not-spam messages. But I cannot help but think that there should be more of a gray area for some messages... For example, the 10 messages that it misses daily are valued at 0. I think there should be a way for me to tune the configurations in order to make it more accurate. On the other hand, I do not get ANY false positives, so that is a very good thing. This is what I have in my ADVANCED.INI: working thread priority=2 onexit thread priority=3 selective download spam threshold=50 export selective download=1 simple digits spam marks=1 no spaces spam marks=1 limit size to hash=19 limit size to hash header=96 temporary dictionary=C:\DOCUME~1\dz\LOCALS~1\Temp use expiration=0 age to expirate=90 learn from zero=0 ; I changed this one today, was 1 max size of log file=5242880 recalculating strategy=0.0002 ; I changed this one today, was 5 regarding threshold=1.5 ; I changed this today, was 1.8 use autotrain=1 use degeneration=1 number of exclamations=5 Any recommendations? BTW, I do not understand very well the regarding threshold parameter, can someone explain it please? I use BayesIt 0.5.5 Thanx! :) -dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00 times BayesIt v.0.5.5 Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adress Book vs. Adress Book Groups
Hallo Alexander, On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:19:22 +0200GMT (14-8-2004, 14:19 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ASK Can someone point out the advantages/disadvantages of using separate adress ASK books, or rather one adress book with several groups in it? If some people ASK could write how they're using the adress book(s) or groups it would give me ASK the right inspiration, maybe. :-) The advantage of different ABs is that you can let different accounts default to different ABs. That means that the entries in one account's AB can be inaccessible to other accounts. Thus enabling you to have multiple entries for the same contact (in different ABs) and still have the expected output when you're using different AB-templates for each of them. This could come in handy when you're having a contact that's both a personal friend and a business contact and you want to use different AB templates in depending on the account (and thus the AB) that you're using. The advantage of one AB is that all of your contacts are available to all accounts. You can do your filtering based on AB-groups (you can't filter on the ABs themselves). When a contact changes his address, you don't have to go through all of your ABs, just change it in your one AB. As I'm doing a lot of filtering based on ABs, my preference is clear. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adress Book vs. Adress Book Groups
On 8/14/2004 5:19 AM my time, Alexander wrote: ASK Can someone point out the advantages/disadvantages of using separate adress ASK books, or rather one adress book with several groups in it? Hi Alexander, I have a specific address group for contacts from my Church. One which is separate from my others. I have filters which are created for that specific group helps me, which include some color filters as well as auto responders from time to time. -- Darrin WinXP Home Service Pack 1 Tbat! 2.12.00 Life would be much easier if I had the source code. pgpCDLiA3B1oe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Periodical Checking (of mail)
St: Anyone having problems with Periodical (Mail) Checking that fails to exactly so? Thomas Fernandez: No, I haven't. But I have noticed that I need to invoke check mail for all in order to ensure that periodical mail check will occur. I do, too. My problem is that I usually will have to do that by the way of an IPC command (/CHECKaccount) since mail checking is often an unattended task for me. Unfortunately, every now and then TB fails to read and execute commands in thebat.IPC. When this happens, TB simply ignores further checking of thebat.IPC. Unless you restart TB, it won't check thebat.IPC. BUT: Invoking unattended checking of mail fails forever - and TB will also fail to execute that liberating /EXIT command since TB fails to read the file that contains the request! -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Windows Show Desktop
St: TB does not react to Windows Show Desktop try Windows+M and see for yourself. Allie Martin: TB! disappears/minimizes here. Andre Wichartz: It depends on whether you have TB! set to show in the task bar. I can confirm this. Options - Preferences - General, _check_ Do not display program icon on the Task Bar and TB will not react to Windows Show Desktop from Windows+M. However, TB always reacts to the Show Desktop button on the Taskbar. Checking Do not display program icon on the Task Bar should not disable TB from paying attention to Windows+M, right. -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Connection Centre pop-up in Taskbar
Alexander S. Kunz: Options/Preferences/General - Display Connection centre - HIDE Thanks - there is always something to learn! -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
From the TB help file: For those who are familiar with programming, here's a handy hint: The Bat! checks a file called TheBat.IPC which is located in the same directory in which The Bat! executable (TheBat.exe) file is located. Within this text file, each line represents one command that can be executed by the program, so you can write commands to this file directly and control The Bat! on your PC even over a local network. Note that TheBat.IPC is deleted as soon as all commands from it have been executed, so if this file does not exist, you will have to create it to make use of it. BUT: Every now and then TB apparently fails to read this file, and from then on it simply ignores further checking thebat.IPC. Unless you restart TB, it won't check thebat.IPC. Now, exactly how do you send TB new commands (like the rather liberating /EXIT (to restart)) when TB fails to read the file that contains the request? The help file further states: Note that you can run only one copy of The Bat! on your PC at one time, but if you try to start another copy of The Bat!, all Command Line parameters will be seamlessly passed to the running copy of the program and executed. Apparently, if TB failes to read the IPC-file just _once_, some error code instructs TB to give a dudu about trying to read the file later on! And exactly how do you send TB that IPC command when TB fails to read the file that contains the request!?! -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Limiting BayesIt to scan only unknown mail
Some time around 08/06/2004 10:35:52, I think I heard Leif Gregory say: Hello Barry, Friday, August 6, 2004, 1:51:46 AM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit059.rar BW If I try to install this version it GPF's. Anyone else BW experiencing this? I don't get a GPF, but right after adding the plugin and I click OK, it crashes TB, when I reopen it, it wasn't added. I got the same thing. I was finally able to install it by overwriting the old version that I had installed with the new version. Also, after experimenting a bit, I discovered that TB!BaseFolder/MAIL/TBPlugin.INI had the plug in path in there under [Plugins], but the count was 0. I changed it to 1 and then it worked. dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, On 14 Aug 2004 at 09:28:34 -0400 GMT [15:28 CEST] you wrote: DJ BTW, I do not understand very well the regarding threshold DJ parameter, can someone explain it please? From advanced.ini: ; this number shows, how much heavier non-spam tokens than spam. It makes some kind of guard and keeps from false positives. Usual value is 2, but you can also try others... -- Cheers, Andre Charlie was a Chemist, but Charlie is no more. What Charlie thought was H20 was H2SO4. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 14-Aug-2004 16:17, you wrote: exactly how do you send TB that IPC command when TB fails to read the file that contains the request!?! You don't send an IPC command, you use the command line which passes its commands to the running TB instance. That is in the helpfile, too. -- Best regards, Alexander I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. -- Oscar Wilde How true... Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Deleting Inbox Messages Takes About 4 Seconds
I have TB installed under Win XP. When I delete a message from the Inbox it takes about 4 seconds for the deletion to occur. This does not happend in any other mail folder except the Inbox. The number of messages in the Inbox makes no difference, it always takes about 4 seconds for the deletion to take place. I have tried compressing the Inbox and folder repair options. No difference after doing that. Thanks for any suggestions. Bill Woodward Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleting Inbox Messages Takes About 4 Seconds
Bill Woodward, [BW] wrote: I have TB installed under Win XP. When I delete a message from the Inbox it takes about 4 seconds for the deletion to occur. This does not happend in any other mail folder except the Inbox. The number of messages in the Inbox makes no difference, it always takes about 4 seconds for the deletion to take place. I have tried compressing the Inbox and folder repair options. No difference after doing that. Thanks for any suggestions. Try moving the messages to a newly created folder. When finished, exit TB! and via explorer, go to your BatMail folder and find the offending Inbox folder and delete the .tbb and .tbi files. Restart TB! and then move the messages back to the Inbox. Tell us how it goes. PS// Make sure it's the right INBOX directory that you delete the tbb and tbi files from. :) -- Allie Martin [List Moderator and fellow end-user] The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP2) . Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. pgpAmmxwGNkR5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleting Inbox Messages Takes About 4 Seconds
Allie Martin, [AM] wrote: Try moving the messages to a newly created folder. That should the messages that are in the offending Inbox folder. -- Allie Martin [List Moderator and fellow end-user] The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP2) . Oxymoron: Unachievable Accomplishments. pgpo09edDrMhT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Some time around 08/14/2004 10:34:25, I think I heard Andre Wichartz say: Hello DZ-Jay, On 14 Aug 2004 at 09:28:34 -0400 GMT [15:28 CEST] you wrote: DJ BTW, I do not understand very well the regarding threshold DJ parameter, can someone explain it please? From advanced.ini: ; this number shows, how much heavier non-spam tokens than spam. It makes some kind of guard and keeps from false positives. Usual value is 2, but you can also try others... Yes, I am aware of its definition, but what I don't understand is what would be the effect of changing it to, say, 1.2 from 1.5 (apart from the academic answer of making non-spam tokens a bit less heavier). How does the plugin use this value? Thanx dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tools, Restore
Hello TBUDLers, After losing half my msg base and my address book (Friday 13th? - no, not really, it happened yesterday) I followed Roelof's advice on creating fictitious accounts. I thought I was out of the woods, until I discovered that nothing that I could do, would bring back my address book. I opened the address book and tried File, Import From, and even File, Open Address Book as well as the various permutations therein. No luck I have now spent several hours trying to recover my address book, which has somehow got badly corrupted. At one point, there was a huge list of cabalistic signs or gibberish. I've got Intermediate and Trusted Root CA, but none of my own addresses. What annoys me most, is that I have been backing up religiously (at least once a week), using the internal function (Tools, Backup). Now that I need to reinstall with Tools, Restore - and irrespective of the date of the back up - the Restore refuses to perform, apart from doubling up the number of messages in the msg base. I used tbkdigger to explore TB's internal backups. It was interesting to see the names of the files and attachments in each account, but even with Tbkdigger I could not see my address book. Surely it is backed up along with the msg base? If so, where is it? And why doesn't Restore do what it is supposed to do and roll everything back to where it was last week/last month ? -- Regards, Maurice Using The Bat! 2.04.7 under Windows XP Pro.1 with 256MB Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
St: ...exactly how do you send TB that IPC command when TB fails to read the file that contains the request!?! Alexander S. Kunz: You don't send an IPC command, you use the command line which passes its commands to the running TB instance. That is in the helpfile, too. Don't be too confused by my use of the word send. I am aware of the use of command line thingy... I know that one is supposed to send (or process / invoke) IPC commands by starting secondary TB's from the command line; ie. C:\Program Files\The Bat!\TheBat.EXE /EXIT etc. My point is this: For no reason, TB may at any time simply stop looking for thebat.IPC - and thus TB won't know of the _future_ commands you send it (by the way of the command line). (In fact, you don't even have to use _command_line_ method - you may simply create the file (thebat.IPC) manually - just make sure the syntax is correct and here we go.) -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 14-Aug-2004 17:35, you wrote: My point is this: For no reason, TB may at any time simply stop looking for thebat.IPC - and thus TB won't know of the _future_ commands you send it (by the way of the command line). Have you investigated why this is happening? SysInternals FileMon may be of help. Maybe your on-access virus scanner blocks the file, something like that? (In fact, you don't even have to use _command_line_ method - you may simply create the file (thebat.IPC) manually - just make sure the syntax is correct and here we go.) AFAIK you're running TB permanently (and at very short poll intervalls). An environment that, as you said some weeks ago, requires you to restart TB now and then. You could do that with a scheduled /EXIT when you're in doubt if the .IPC file is still interpreted, couldn't you? -- Best regards, Alexander There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Some tasks are now active
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 14-Aug-2004 16:04, you wrote: Now, exactly how do you send TB that /EXIT command when TB fails to read the file that contains the request!?! GREAT! You can issue an thebat.exe /EXIT command and it will quit the running instance of TB. You don't need the .IPC file for that. Repeat: How do you send TB that /EXIT command (or whatever IPC command) when TB fails to read the file that contains the request? ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. ** ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. ** ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. ** Just try. Open a command window, cd to the path were thebat.exe is, and enter thebat.exe /EXIT. In the time of the wink of an eye, TB will shut down. -- Best regards, Alexander Stress is when you wake up screaming and then realize you haven't fallen asleep yet. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Alexander S. Kunz: Have you investigated why this is happening? SysInternals FileMon may be of help. Maybe your on-access virus scanner blocks the file, something like that? Funny that you ask - I am currently running FileMon here (with an exclusive logging of thebat.IPC-accesses. Whatever is trying to access the file will be logged. BUT I am also supposed to be present in a BBQ Party - so I will have to return later to this list about my findings... -- St Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, On 14 Aug 2004 at 11:30:32 -0400 GMT [17:30 CEST] you wrote: DJ Yes, I am aware of its definition, but what I don't understand DJ is what would be the effect of changing it to, say, 1.2 from 1.5 DJ (apart from the academic answer of making non-spam tokens a bit less DJ heavier). How does the plugin use this value? Assume a word orccurs equally often in spam and non-spam mails. If you set the value to 1 the word will get a spam propability of 0.5. If you set it to a higher value the word will get something lower than 0.5. Words in non-spam mails just count more and you can set just how much more. At least that's my take on it. -- Cheers, Andre 1. If it's green or it wiggles, it's biology. 2. If it stinks, it's chemistry. 3. If it doesn't work, it's physics. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Deleting Inbox Messages Takes About 4 Seconds)
Sorry. I had assumed changing the subject would take care of that. Saturday, August 14, 2004, 10:13:09 AM, you wrote: AM Bill Woodward, [BW] wrote: Thanks for any suggestions. AM moderator AM Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not AM just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have AM instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Bill. AM Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been AM posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading AM mail client. AM See View | View threads by | Reference to see where it ended up. AM The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread AM instead of by all users. AM I recommend that you post your question again using a New message AM if you want to see more replies to your query. AM /moderator -- Best regards, Billmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Saturday, August 14, 2004, 12:27:41 PM, you wrote: AW Hello DZ-Jay, AW On 14 Aug 2004 at 11:30:32 -0400 GMT [17:30 CEST] you wrote: DJ Yes, I am aware of its definition, but what I don't understand DJ is what would be the effect of changing it to, say, 1.2 from 1.5 DJ (apart from the academic answer of making non-spam tokens a bit less DJ heavier). How does the plugin use this value? AW Assume a word orccurs equally often in spam and non-spam mails. If you AW set the value to 1 the word will get a spam propability of 0.5. If you AW set it to a higher value the word will get something lower than 0.5. AW Words in non-spam mails just count more and you can set just how much AW more. Where do you do the setting??? -- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Deleting Inbox Messages Takes About 4 Seconds)
[uncut reply with top posting to a moderator note by Bill Woodward] ...sometimes I just can't do anything but ROTFL and be glad that its not me who is the list moderator... ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: Re[2]: Folder settings
This is a forwarded message From: Jack S. LaRosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004, 6:14:24 PM Subject: Folder settings ===8==Original message text=== Hello Allie, Wednesday, August 11, 2004, 7:55:42 AM, you wrote: AM Jack S. Larosa, [JSL] wrote: I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know the difference and don't know how to find out. AM Ashamed??!! That isn't a word in the vocabulary used on this list. :) AM Hit Shift-CTRL-P to bring up the account properties. Select the AM 'Transport' options and under the section 'Receive Mail' what is the AM Protocol type stated there? As my dear departed grandmother used to say If it was a snake, it would've bit you!. I didn't see it when I looked the first time. It's POP3. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tools, Restore
Hello Peter, On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:18:36 +0200 GMT (14.08.2004, 18:18 +0200 GMT, where I live), you wrote: PO on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:23:04 +0200 (2004-08-14 17:23:04 in .nl) in the PO message with reference PO mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you PO [MM] wrote (at least in part): MM Surely it is backed up along with the msg base? If so, where is it? PO This depends on settings you made on the first page of the backup PO window. Is 'Address Books' checked? Are address books selected (use the PO 'Choose...' button). Like a fool, I've been accepting the default settings and never bothered to look beyond Trusted Root CA (though why anyone would want to have this as a default, is beyond me...). Mystery solved: I did not check the individual Address Books on the next page. Am I the only fool out there? -- Regards, Maurice - Using The Bat! 2.04.7 under Windows XP 5.1 Pro Service Pack 1 on a Pentium 2 with 512MB. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tools, Restore
Saturday, August 14, 2004, 1:55:04 PM, Maurice wrote: PO This depends on settings you made on the first page of the backup PO window. Is 'Address Books' checked? Are address books selected (use the PO 'Choose...' button). Maurice Like a fool, I've been accepting the default settings and never Maurice bothered to look beyond Trusted Root CA (though why anyone would Maurice want to have this as a default, is beyond me...). Mystery solved: I Maurice did not check the individual Address Books on the next page. Maurice Am I the only fool out there? Nope. After I read Peter's reply I checked my backup settings. And guess what? I quickly changed the default address book and performed another backup. Is there someway to change the default permanently in the backup tool? -- Regards, Plan9 Take care of luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves. -Dorothy Parker Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Some time around 08/14/2004 12:34:07, I think I heard Pete Holsberg say: Where do you do the setting??? In a file called ADVANCED.INI in the BayesIt working directory, or in the TB! installation directory. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tools, Restore
Hello Plan9, Saturday, August 14, 2004, 2:08:14 PM, you wrote: P Nope. After I read Peter's reply I checked my backup settings. And P guess what? I quickly changed the default address book and performed P another backup. P Is there someway to change the default permanently in the backup tool? do you not use one of the other backup methods that use either winzip or 7zip?? I'd never depend on ONE method, or just one backup... and no I don't know how to permanently change that setting! -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Some time around 08/14/2004 12:27:41, I think I heard Andre Wichartz say: Assume a word orccurs equally often in spam and non-spam mails. If you set the value to 1 the word will get a spam propability of 0.5. If you set it to a higher value the word will get something lower than 0.5. Words in non-spam mails just count more and you can set just how much more. At least that's my take on it. That makes sense. But do you know how the weight is calculated? I can assume it is the product of its initial probability by the regarding threshold value, is that true? And is it only for tokens that have the same occurrence in spam and non-spam messages, or is the weight skewed by this threshold on all tokens to give them an extra non-spamy umph in order to avoid false positives? Thanx dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Saturday, August 14, 2004, 2:37:03 PM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/14/2004 12:34:07, I think I heard Pete Holsberg say: Where do you do the setting??? DJ In a file called ADVANCED.INI in the BayesIt working directory, or DJ in the TB! installation directory. Not found anywhere on either HD! Can it be created manually?? -- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello All, I have been following this thread since I have been having some problems too. I was using the old version (0.4gm) until I upgraded to the current version of TB. The settings I used to use don't seem to work any more and I either get everything filtered as junk or nothing is filtered as junk. I trained it with about 2000 spam and 2000 ham messages and still no joy. I have tried low threshold numbers and high with out much difference. Is there a good getting started file somewhere that I have just missed? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Some time around 08/14/2004 15:47:24, I think I heard MikeD say: The settings I used to use don't seem to work any more and I either get everything filtered as junk or nothing is filtered as junk. I trained it with about 2000 spam and 2000 ham messages and still no joy. I have tried low threshold numbers and high with out much difference. That's pretty much what I get: messages are either COMPLETELY spam (99 or 100 % probability) or COMPLETELY not-spam (0% probability). Although mine seems to catch most (~97%) of spam, out of a few hundred emails daily, so its not that bad. And that's with the default settings. I'm trying to tune it to get it a bit higher in accuracy, if possible, but can't seem to get much help on this subject :( dZ. Is there a good getting started file somewhere that I have just missed? -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Some time around 08/14/2004 14:54:38, I think I heard Pete Holsberg say: Saturday, August 14, 2004, 2:37:03 PM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/14/2004 12:34:07, I think I heard Pete Holsberg say: Where do you do the setting??? DJ In a file called ADVANCED.INI in the BayesIt working directory, or DJ in the TB! installation directory. Not found anywhere on either HD! Can it be created manually?? Yes you can... but which version of BayesIt are you using? Maybe you are using an older version... Here's the default ADVANCED.INI file that came with BayesIt 0.5.9: working thread priority = 2; onexit thread priority = 3; export selective download = 1; selective download spam threshold = 10; simple digits spam marks = 1; no spaces spam marks = 1; limit size to hash = 19; limit size to hash header = 96; temporary dictionary = c:\\temp; use expiration = 0; age to expirate = 100; learn from zero = 1; max size of log file = 131072; recalculating strategy = 3; regarding threshold = 1.5; use autotrain = 1; use degeneration = 1; number of exclamations = 5; dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Addressing email
Hello rich, Saturday, August 14, 2004, 5:15:38 PM, you wrote: rg How, in your third line above, did you enter the 2 handles to begin rg with? Did you use ANY keystroke(s) at all to indicate to TB! that it rg had correctly guessed the correct email address by it's handle? rg Once the TO: line had been populated with the full email address, what rg did you do to get the second handle in there without destroying the rg auto-entered (and already correct) address from the first handle you rg typed in? rg I pressed comma, a most natural thing, which destroys the auto-entered rg correct address. rg If you had to make ANY keystrokes at all, why NOT allow the comma? Did you try: Start typing first name, when correct address appears push Right Arrow then the comma, and then start typing the second name. Not sure if this addresses the whole thread, but it seems to let you enter two addresses and still use auto fill. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/5 On Windows 98 4.10 Build # Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
more than just spam/ham classification (was: Re: Bayes***** Plug-In.)
Hello TBUDL, on Thu, 12. Aug 2004 at 22:54:24 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Bayesfilter Bayesit! I tried Bayesfilter, but somehow it did not learn as fast as BayesIt. However, I'm using PopFile now and use Virtual Folders to reflect the bucket classification of PopFile (except for spam, of course). But you cannot reflect real bucket classifications like German, English or similar with that, can you? That's a pretty cool thing so my reply template can react on that. I'd like to replace POPFile, because it seems to have the potential to lose mails (see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), but OTOH all other bayesian filters only support spam/ham classification -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] PowerPro (http://www.windowspowerpro.com) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address book, using multiple addresses
In the address book, you can put additional email addresses, one per line, but is there a way to access the second, third email addresses while creating a new message w/o having to click on the To: and have the secondary address to to the BCC field? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ Ctz Consulting ]-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ http://ctzconsulting.com ]-= Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tools, Restore
Plan9 @ 2004-Aug-14 2:08:14 PM Tools, Restore mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there someway to change the default permanently in the backup tool? I changed mine a while ago and the proper address books are still checked. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 All people have moments of insanity; some people more often than others. pgpsT2Ngv7UYU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selecting Text - Reply to all
I know there is a keyboard shortcut F4 to quote selected text in a reply, but I do not see there is one for quoting and replying to all. Is there a way to add a keyboard shortcut or is there one? thanks crit -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ Ctz Consulting ]-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ http://ctzconsulting.com ]-= Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tools, Restore
Saturday, August 14, 2004, 7:35:40 PM, Chris wrote: Is there someway to change the default permanently in the backup tool? Chris I changed mine a while ago and the proper address books are still Chris checked. You are correct. Seems to have taken a restart of TheBat! for my new selection to be visible as the default. -- Regards, Plan9 I honestly think it is better to be a failure at something you love than to be a success at something you hate. - George Burns Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Saturday, August 14, 2004, 5:31:59 PM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/14/2004 15:47:24, I think I heard MikeD say: The settings I used to use don't seem to work any more and I either get everything filtered as junk or nothing is filtered as junk. I trained it with about 2000 spam and 2000 ham messages and still no joy. I have tried low threshold numbers and high with out much difference. DJ That's pretty much what I get: messages are either DJ COMPLETELY spam (99 or 100 % probability) or COMPLETELY not-spam DJ (0% probability). Although mine seems to catch most (~97%) of DJ spam, out of a few hundred emails daily, so its not that bad. And DJ that's with the default settings. I'm trying to tune it to get it DJ a bit higher in accuracy, if possible, but can't seem to get much DJ help on this subject :( What settings are you using? Under the old version (0.4gm) I had it trained and was getting most spam caught, no false positives with a Move message setting of 10. Now I have gone down as low as 1 and as high as 99 without success. BTW, I am using the 0.5.5 verision that came with 2.12. Should I be using the newer version that I saw mentioned? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:42:17 -0400 GMT (15/08/2004, 01:42 +0700 GMT), DZ-Jay wrote: Assume a word orccurs equally often in spam and non-spam mails. If you set the value to 1 the word will get a spam propability of 0.5. If you set it to a higher value the word will get something lower than 0.5. Words in non-spam mails just count more and you can set just how much more. At least that's my take on it. DJ That makes sense. But do you know how the weight is calculated? Check out for a mathematician called Bayes. 19th century, IIRC. DJ I can assume it is the product of its initial probability by the DJ regarding threshold value, is that true? It's not that simple. -- Cheers, Thomas. 24 Dinge, die man beim Sex nicht sagen sollte: 8. Du bist fast so gut wie mein Ex! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book, using multiple addresses
Hello Critter, On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:31:45 -0400 GMT (15/08/2004, 02:31 +0700 GMT), Critter wrote: C In the address book, you can put additional email addresses, one per C line, but is there a way to access the second, third email addresses C while creating a new message w/o having to click on the To: and have C the secondary address to to the BCC field? No, I think you don't have access to the secondary addresses from that dialog. I hope I'm wrong, because what I do is I open the AB in the main window and cp the secondary addresses into the editor fields. -- Cheers, Thomas. SYMPTOM: Beer tasteless, front of your shirt is wet. FAULT: Mouth not open, or glass applied to wrong part of face. ACTION: Retire to restroom, practice in mirror. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: more than just spam/ham classification (was: Re: Bayes***** Plug-In.)
Hello dAniel hAhler, 15-Aug-2004 00:28, you wrote: I tried Bayesfilter, but somehow it did not learn as fast as BayesIt. However, I'm using PopFile now and use Virtual Folders to reflect the bucket classification of PopFile (except for spam, of course). But you cannot reflect real bucket classifications like German, English or similar with that, can you? Of course, why not? We discussed that a couple of days/weeks ago. The idea is to set color groups for the text classification and upon the color group of the message show them in virtual folders (color groups only because they can be changed afterwards in thebat, just in case POPfile classified a message wrong) That's a pretty cool thing so my reply template can react on that. Never thought about that... separating german and english, nice idea... :-) -- Best regards, Alexander Tis not too late tomorrow to be brave. -- John Armstrong, in The Art of Preserving Health Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
