Re[2]: spamalot
Hello Peter, On Friday, June 10, 2005 at 23:56:22 GMT +0200 (which was 23:56:22 where I live), Peter Palmreuther wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of spamalot: Hello Dick, On Friday, June 10, 2005 at 10:44:52 PM Dick [DH] wrote: *erm* Maybe I'm dense and therefore don't see the brand new on this product. So please correct me someone if I got it wrong, but doesn't the program simply 1) calculate spam probability by using a word database 2) calculate a fuzzy hash and compare it against a central database ??? If so: 1) some/many of us use in form of BayesIT or Bayes Filter Plugin plus SpamAssassin does this kind of Bayes-matching already since *hmmm* some versions ago. And 2) I know from SA as well, it's called 'Razor' or 'DCC' there. So what's the 'brand new' about it? And what's worth 25.000 copying SA? It's not based on SA but Spambayes (this SpamExpert program is also written in Python). It seems that those students fine tuned the Spambayes kernel and built a new shell around it. Furthermore, and that is very nice, you don't need to change your email client as a DLL will be installed that automatically intercept all POP3 calls. So, the (sometimes complicated) email client modifications you have to do with most of the anti-spam tools (AFIK not with Spampal, that has something similar), is not required with this new program. Anyway, I'll give it a try for about 4 weeks and if I like it, I keep it else I will go back to Spambayes. -- Best regards, Dick ___ The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Anyway to *hack* threads view from To: NAME To: Address?
Hello, Is it possible to sort threads by TO: ADDRESS and NOT TO: NAME? Anyway to hack such a feature? Any work-around just in case? -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez Using The Bat! v3.5.25 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
Hello Dick, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 9:54:51 AM, you wrote: DH So, the (sometimes complicated) email client modifications you have DH to do with most of the anti-spam tools (AFIK not with Spampal, that has DH something similar), is not required with this new program. So, if I would install it (I already downloaded it), it would - place itself before K9 and - make K9 useless or - be completely useless as long as I don't change the settings of my mailers - or that kind of setup wouldn't work? ??? It must have been years ago that he came into my mind, but suddenly I hear Sjef Van Oekel saying Daar word ik even niet goed van! Don't ask me why or where he suddenly comes from... :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.5.25 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: spamalot
Hello Mark, On Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:25:20 GMT +0200 (which was 11:25:20 where I live), Mark Partous wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of spamalot: Hello Dick, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 9:54:51 AM, you wrote: DH So, the (sometimes complicated) email client modifications you have DH to do with most of the anti-spam tools (AFIK not with Spampal, that has DH something similar), is not required with this new program. So, if I would install it (I already downloaded it), it would - place itself before K9 and - make K9 useless or - be completely useless as long as I don't change the settings of my mailers - or that kind of setup wouldn't work? ??? It must have been years ago that he came into my mind, but suddenly I hear Sjef Van Oekel saying Daar word ik even niet goed van! Don't ask me why or where he suddenly comes from... :-) I think, if you want to have it running before K9, you have to add the K9 program to the list of Intercepted e-Mail applications. In that case it will intercept all K9 POP3 calls and process the email before passing them on to K9. In that case you have the email scanned by both SpamExpert and K9. If you change your POP3 settings of your email client back to normal (so a normal user id, the normal ISP POP3 server and port 110, K9 will not be used anymore and you only rely on SpamExpert. But, as with all anti-spam tools, you need to train this program by moving a Spam message from the Ham List to the Spam List... -- Best regards, Dick ___ (Moders/Newbies) + Stabbing = Happy. Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
Philip, On 10-06-2005 19:51, you [PS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PS I find it odd that you think because a few people have problems the PS system is flawed. SpamPal gives you more tools for combatting spam than any of the plugins. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
Peter, On 10-06-2005 23:56, you [PP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PP 1) calculate spam probability by using a word database 2) calculate PP a fuzzy hash and compare it against a central database PP ??? If so: 1) some/many of us use in form of BayesIT or Bayes PP Filter Plugin plus SpamAssassin does this kind of Bayes-matching PP already since *hmmm* some versions ago. And 2) I know from SA as well, PP it's called 'Razor' or 'DCC' there. DCC, P2P, is also available in SpamPal. This catches a lot of spam for me. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
Hello Dick, On Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 9:54:51 AM Dick [DH] wrote: [SpamExperts] So what's the 'brand new' about it? And what's worth 25.000 ¤ copying SA? DH It's not based on SA but Spambayes (this SpamExpert program DH is also written in Python). I didn't intend to say it's SA-based, but I only compared its technique to SAs. DH It seems that those students fine tuned the Spambayes kernel and DH built a new shell around it. So except the front end there is nothing (really) new, correct? What makes this program so superior over K9 or SpamPal? Not that I use any of those, as SA already filters server side, but why do they try to sell their product as such superior thing, if they only put a nice GUI to well known and working techniques? And why does somebody spend a 25000 ¤ price for such a *non-invention*? I'm not jealous, maybe it's even better these students get the money than anybody else who did not even try to work for getting it. But with all this debates about software patents in European Union and the fears of trivia patents getting overhand I ask myself where the priced invention is in this program ... DH Furthermore, and that is very nice, you don't need to change your DH email client as a DLL will be installed that automatically DH intercept all POP3 calls. Well, that's what e.g. NOD32, Norton and other AV-solutions already do for a while; except the fact they scan primarily for viruses. And to be honest: I don't like it. Whenever there's a program that intercepts TCP/IP packets by hooking in into the Windows API the trouble is preassigned. Search the archive how often Norton users had trouble checking their mail, had stalled connections and other thing, just because a DLL automatically intercepted all POP3 calls. Don't ask me how often my multiple simultaneous POP3 connections stalled because NOD32 was not configured to ignore 'thebat.exe'. Guess how often I swear Kerio because it intercepts network traffic ... even albeit configured to let it pass through. Something *is* wicked in all these Windows hooks and APIs about TCP/IP stack. DH Anyway, I'll give it a try for about 4 weeks and if I like DH it, I keep it else I will go back to Spambayes. Don't get me wrong: I never intended to detain somebody from using it, I just wanted to know what is pretended to make this program so predominant ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Support your local outlaws! Use a strong tree limb. Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: multiple mail clients (was: spamalot)
Hello Mark, Friday, June 10, 2005, 7:19:54 PM, you wrote: MP Except for the very first time I haven't tried the plugins. They may be MP efficient for those that use one mailer only, but for me it's far easier to MP let all of them share the same K9 base, instead of training a plugin for each MP one of them... Now, here's something I have genuine difficulty dealing with... Why are you running multiple mail clients? I run with The Bat! as my mail client. I've tried Opera's M2, and it's nice but not quite polished enough. (Although there are some nice ideas there that The Bat! should certainly steal!) I also ran Thunderbird for a while to evaluate it, but found it lacking - a good replacement for Outlook Express, but my needs go further than Outlook Express. In both cases, it was just for evaluation purposes. To see if there's something that they do (or do better) which can drag me away from The Bat!, really. So I ran them alongside The Bat!, simply setting the accounts to download mail but not delete it from the server for n days in each client - which allowed for dual-running quite nicely. I can't fathom why you'd run multiple clients for a prolonged period, though. In fact, I wouldn't want my multiple clients to share the same spam filtering base, BECAUSE I was evaluating them. (For what it's worth for those interested, Opera's spam filter is excellent - after a little training, it becomes very accurate. After about a thousand messages, it's trained and doing very well. Thunderbird can only hope to get a better filter, as it didn't do nearly as well...) So, might I ask why you're running multiple clients? It surely can't be spam filtering sharing the same database - there must be something that The Bat! doesn't do which the other mail client(s) can handle. Hence my curiosity... Feel free to reply privately if you like. I send this to the list just because I hope that the answer might be useful for all... -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpysa0fZrOvG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple mail clients (was: spamalot)
Hello Philip, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 2:17:52 PM, you wrote: PS Why are you running multiple mail clients? PS In both cases, it was just for evaluation purposes. To see if there's PS something that they do (or do better) which can drag me away from The PS Bat!, really. So I ran them alongside The Bat!, simply setting the PS accounts to download mail but not delete it from the server for n days PS in each client - which allowed for dual-running quite nicely. Comparable situation over here. Albeit I'm not intrested in their individual anti-spam features. PS Feel free to reply privately if you like. I send this to the list just PS because I hope that the answer might be useful for all... I don't think so, but one never knows that someone else has the answer to my problem (Even though I doubt that!). Some have heard this several times... I'll try to keep it short. 1. If a client changes (mail) address, I have to change that in - my Access-based database - Time Chaos - The Bat! No way to synchronise those. TB!'s AB cannot even be purged Both TB! and TC have non-standard AB's. That's being sold as a strong point, (and it is AFA virus spam is concerned) but it's their weakness too. 2. Day by day the number of HTML-mail coming from trusted partners is growing. I have suggested to make the choice of reader selectable on a folder-basis. I can understand that others do not find that an urgent matter, but every day the time I spend Click-Click-Click-Click (the fourth is from an error-screen saying The Bat! cannot find the requested file - a remainder of Opera being the default browser for 1 day -) in order to see the full content of the message, increases. (*) 3. To keep a long story short and at the risk of getting the list all over me: 1. Barca, but it doesn't have a plugin for synchronising with a Pocket PC-based PDA yet (it does for Palmbased). 2. Outlook, because it has the above are currently the only alternatives if I want to avoid to loose too much time. Oh, yes, I would be missing much functionality and it's against what my heart says, especially as far as Outlook is concerned, but I cannot go on like this, with all this redundant work. (**) So, if you were to say you have just finished writing a tool that makes it possible to synchronise, if it were only TB! and Time Chaos, that would make me very happy and I could carry on with the solution suggested below. Alas, I'm afraid you 'd have to be a programming wonder in order to do so... Perhaps RitLabs and Chaos Software could talk with one another, since one has a fine mailer with a hardly existant PIM and the other has a nice PIM with a poor mailer... :-):-( (*) As far as these are messages that are close to being newsletters, that do not require to be answered, one could (AAMOF I do so for some) set up TB! so that those messages are not downloaded by TB! but by another mailer that allows for non-attached pictures to be shown. Those are not the main problem. (**)I must admit: there are a lot of features in TB! that make me save time and cannot be found in other mailers! I guess that's why I find it so hard to leave The Bat! -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.5.25 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
MailTicker only active on non-virtual folders?
Hello tbudl, I just wondered why my mailticker doesn't open anymore since I switched to the 3.5.x versions. I have one folder unread that collects all unread mails from all relevant folders, and I used to have that folder watched by MailTicker only. Worked fine. Not anymore. Only when I switch to a real folder (not a virtual folder) will MailTicker show up. Tried it with the same messages unread, so its not a problem of priority- or message age-settings. Can anyone confirm this? But as nobody has mentioned this on the lists I guess I am again doing something stupid...? -- Martin TB! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: spamalot
G K9 running here. Gets almost all SPAM. Yes, K9 is so awesome that I donated. I can see the attraction of an all-under-one-roof solution, but I continue to use K9. The plugins seem such a fiddle. I would recommend it to anyone using POP3. K9, with good/bad databases of about 40,000 words each: Spam consistently rates at more than 85% while good messages rate at less than 15%. The decisiveness of the software is fantastic. It would be true enough to say that spam never gets past. 100% rating in 34 days (since I reinstalled XP.) Other features include whitelists and blacklists. I have a few important addresses in the whitelist, just to be sure (you never know what your friends will send.) It can refer to online DNS blackhole lists too, but I have that turned off right now. Spam messages output can be custom-marked, including a percentage for spam probability. Alternatively it can mark them with your own invisible custom headers. Obviously TheBat! can filter and store these into a time-limited folder. All is no bother after a few weeks training. Just sits in the system tray, silently outsmarting the spammers best efforts.. -- Bye for now /Mark [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ][ www.markmajor.com ] [ Now playing: 'Run' by Snow Patrol ] Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hungarian manual
I don't know if there is Hungarian users here, but it wont hurt: Following v1.62, the Hungarian PDF manual for TB! v2.12 is ready. (v3.0.1.33 is on its was as is v3.5.25) Users may download it from www.thebat.hu , 311 pages (so think before hit the Print button :) I hope it is detailed enought to understand all settings and possibilities. I advise to read the Tips and tricks to learn, for example: - how to store the mails at more than one HDD/partition all the time (even if one HDD crash, absolutely no mail will be lost) - how to password protect TB! when it starts up - how can more than one TB! run at the same PC without changing Windows user profiles - how to speed up TB! startup dramatically by hiding old mails but keeping them always accessible Cheers, -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Very strange problem on character set in header subjet on TB 3.5.25- Réponse à l?annonce
Hello, Since I use TB (2.12, and after, TB 3.01) I had no problem when I paste the french text below copy from winword in the header subject : Réponse à lannonce I will have to downgrade my TB to 3.01.33 because in TB 3.5 and 3.5.25, the quote character is replace by a bad character when I send the message. Sometimes replaced by a ?, sometime by a strange squares shape ... And recipient person receive a wrong subject, that is not so good for finding a job... This is very strange, because when I have a look on archive mails, more than 1000, all header with this character are well shown when I launch TB 3.01, and bad shown with 3.5 and 3.5.25 ! Bad shown, and bad sent !!! When I manually replace by keyboarding the character quote ' in the subject, it is well shown and sent ! What's wrong in this last version 3.5.25 of TB ? -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.5.25 BayesIt! 0.8.1 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
Hello Dick, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 12:06:00 PM, you wrote: DH I think, if you want to have it running before K9, you have to add DH the K9 program to the list of Intercepted e-Mail applications. In that DH case it will intercept all K9 POP3 calls and process the email before DH passing them on to K9. In that case you have the email scanned by both DH SpamExpert and K9. It doesn't do anything. Even after setting the port to DH If you change your POP3 settings of your email client back to normal DH (so a normal user id, the normal ISP POP3 server and port 110, K9 will DH not be used anymore and you only rely on SpamExpert. It just sits there too. According to the small helpfile, I should uninstall it! -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.5.25 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very strange problem on character set in header subjet on TB 3.5.25- Réponse à lannonce
WilWilWil @ 2005-Jun-11 4:40:55 PM Very strange problem on character set in header subjet on TB 3.5.25- Réponse à l?annonce mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I will have to downgrade my TB to 3.01.33 because in TB 3.5 and 3.5.25, the quote character is replace by a bad character when I send the message. Sometimes replaced by a ?, sometime by a strange squares shape ... This probably shows my ignorance of French, but do you have to use the curled ? Could you instead use the straight '? This is not the right solution; that would involve proper Unicode support in both The Bat! and the recipient's client. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Would a fly without wings be called a walk? pgp0cYtpg0I5b.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[The Bat!] Simple regex in macro help please
Why will this macro with regex not work on the message example given below it? %SUBJ= %SUBJ=subscribe %SETPATTREGEXP=submitted by\s*?^(.*?) \((.*?)\) Email: %SUBPATT=1 Name: %SUBPATT=2 quote Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Miss Helen X ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Friday, June 10, 2005 at 17:10:25 --- My name is Miss Helen X and I am 24 years old. I have just finished a degree in Fine Art where I specialised in 3-D Sculpture. Thank you for taking the time to read this email. enews: Yes --- /quote -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.5.25 with POPFile 0.22.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
Dear Mark, On Saturday, June 11, 2005, 6:52:03 PM, which was 8:46:43 PM where I am, you wrote: G K9 running here. Gets almost all SPAM. rlmc Yes, K9 is so awesome that I donated. I can see the attraction of an rlmc all-under-one-roof solution, but I continue to use K9. The plugins rlmc seem such a fiddle. I would recommend it to anyone using POP3. rlmc K9, with good/bad databases of about 40,000 words each: Spam rlmc consistently rates at more than 85% while good messages rate at less rlmc than 15%. The decisiveness of the software is fantastic. It would be rlmc true enough to say that spam never gets past. 100% rating in 34 days rlmc (since I reinstalled XP.) rlmc Other features include whitelists and blacklists. I have a few rlmc important addresses in the whitelist, just to be sure (you never know rlmc what your friends will send.) It can refer to online DNS blackhole rlmc lists too, but I have that turned off right now. rlmc Spam messages output can be custom-marked, including a percentage for rlmc spam probability. Alternatively it can mark them with your own rlmc invisible custom headers. Obviously TheBat! can filter and store these rlmc into a time-limited folder. rlmc All is no bother after a few weeks training. Just sits in the system rlmc tray, silently outsmarting the spammers best efforts.. I used it too, up until about a year ago, and was extremely happy with the results. My only misgiving was that there was no password protection; my accounts in The Bat! are all password protected, but with K9, the contents of my all my e-mails were visible to anyone using my machine. -- Regards, Maurice Using The Bat! 3.5, under Windows XP Pro SP2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Very strange problem on character set in header subjet on TB 3.5.25- Réponse à l?annonce
C This probably shows my ignorance of French, but do you have to use the C curled ? Could you instead use the straight '? C This is not the right solution; that would involve proper Unicode C support in both The Bat! and the recipient's client. I can't choose straight or curved '. I just use the AZERTY keyboard and use the ' on the key 4 (without shift key pushed) when I write my text in Winword... When I paste the text in the subject, problem occurs... I had to type the ' manually. -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.5.25 BayesIt! 0.8.1 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hungarian manual
Hi Vili, On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, at 21:14:06 [GMT+0200] (which was Sun, 5:14:06 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Following v1.62, the Hungarian PDF manual for TB! v2.12 is ready. (v3.0.1.33 is on its was as is v3.5.25) Users may download it from www.thebat.hu , 311 pages (so think before hit the Print button :) Wow, a lot of work! Is there an English manual anywhere? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The decision is maybe and that's final! Winamp currently playing: Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very strange problem on character set in header subjet on TB 3.5.25- Réponse à l?annonce
WilWilWil @ 2005-Jun-11 5:19:47 PM Very strange problem on character set in header subjet on TB 3.5.25- Réponse à l?annonce mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't choose straight or curved '. I just use the AZERTY keyboard and use the ' on the key 4 (without shift key pushed) when I write my text in Winword... The problem is Word. It is replacing your straight quotes with what it call smart quotes. These are the English menu options, so in French they are probably phrased differently: Go to Tools/AutoCorrect Options Go to the AutoFormat As You Type Tab Uncheck Replace straight quotes with smart quotes When I paste the text in the subject, problem occurs... I had to type the ' manually. So, in French, a ' is not grammatically wrong? That was my original question. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Multitasking: Screwing up several things at once... pgpRWlItD6tRM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [The Bat!] Simple regex in macro help please
Hallo admin, On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:09:02 +0100GMT (11-6-2005, 23:09 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MG Why will this macro with regex not work on the message example given below it? Because you omitted something, you've set the regexp you want to use, but you didn't tell TB on what it should be used MG %SUBJ= MG %SUBJ=subscribe MG %SETPATTREGEXP=submitted by\s*?^(.*?) \((.*?)\) %RegExpBlindMatch='%Text'%- MG Email: %SUBPATT=1 MG Name: %SUBPATT=2 So insert %RegExpBlindMatch='%Text'%- where I did it and it'll work. -- Groetjes, Roelof The shortest distance between two Points is a BossNode. The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp16DZtESiuS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [The Bat!] Simple regex in macro help please
MG %SUBJ= MG %SUBJ=subscribe MG %SETPATTREGEXP=submitted by\s*?^(.*?) \((.*?)\) %RegExpBlindMatch='%Text'%- MG Email: %SUBPATT=1 MG Name: %SUBPATT=2 So insert %RegExpBlindMatch='%Text'%- where I did it and it'll work. Oh... silly me... ...but it is my First ever attempt at a regex macro! Thanks it does indeed now work BTW I can't find anywhere where it says what the %- and the #- things do at the end of lines... And finally - do I take it that ' and are interchangeable as long as they are in matching pairs? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.5.25 with POPFile 0.22.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.
Hi Marck, On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, at 00:26:03 [GMT+0100] (which was 9:26:03 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: No, but there's one missing on the %FROM= line Should that go on the end of the line? And why? Note the %- I have in the macro on the %CC line. Why doesn't it work? (See original post for line spacing). T.I.A. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Winamp currently playing: not on. Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
archiving emails in pdf
Hi, Is there any way to export emails in format that preserves/has some look-n-feel with embedded attachements. I would like archives my all mails in single pdf file. Any suggestions, SD -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Further to that regex/macro query
Now the RegEx to extract the name and email address. %FROMNAME= %FROM= %SUBJ= %SUBJ=subscribe %SETPATTREGEXP=submitted by\s*?^(.*?) \((.*?)\) %RegExpBlindMatch='%Text'%- Email: %SUBPATT='2' Name: %SUBPATT='1' Source: Web Page Enquiry %FROM=%SUBPATT='2' Now what I want to do is set the resulting outgoing email with the subpatt='2' email address as the from address and the subpatt=1 name as the from name. But I cannot get it to work properly - hence the mish mash above. After much struggling I have got the email address into the %FROM bit but I cannot get it to set the name of the person in the appropriate variable thing. ANyone got a moment to straighten this regex/macro out? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.5.25 with POPFile 0.22.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Only five message go from a queue at a time
If I generate a number of messages that sit in the outbox queue and then send them, only five of them go, until the next auto send and receive and then another five go and so on. Is this a preference setting or something? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.5.25 with POPFile 0.22.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [The Bat!] Simple regex in macro help please
Hi Marten Gallagher, On Saturday, June 11, 2005, you wrote: I can't find anywhere where it says what the %- and the #- things do at the end of lines... They get rid of new lines (at least %- does, not sure about #-). For example, in a template, put ===8 ==8 ==8--- %- %- %- %- ===8-- Then use it in an email, and see what result you have. And finally - do I take it that ' and are interchangeable as long as they are in matching pairs? I believe that is the case yes. -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hungarian manual
JP Is there an English manual anywhere? I have read on this or the beta list, that they are working on the English 3.5 manual. But the English FAQ also have a PDF version, that I saw. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spamalot
On Saturday, June 11, 2005 it appears that Dick Hoogendoorn wrote the following in regards to spamalot: DH [snip] you need to train this DH program by moving a Spam message from the Ham List to the Spam DH List... [/snip] Hi Dick. Doesn't identifying email as ham or spam do this essentially or is there some other means of doing this that is better? TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB!3.5.26, BayesIt! 0.8.1, Windows 2000, Service Pack 4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: spamalot
Hello Jan, On Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 19:52:08 GMT -0400 (which was 1:52:08 where I live), Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of spamalot: On Saturday, June 11, 2005 it appears that Dick Hoogendoorn wrote the following in regards to spamalot: DH [snip] you need to train this DH program by moving a Spam message from the Ham List to the Spam DH List... [/snip] Hi Dick. Doesn't identifying email as ham or spam do this essentially or is there some other means of doing this that is better? TIA Jan, as far as I know that is the only thing you need to do..but there is also a white and blacklist option. Note that this program is based upon Spambayes and I just reported a db corruption...the same as was also reported for Spambayes 1.1a1thought that these guys would have taken the 1.04 kernel of Spambayes rather than the 1.1a1 which is still in alpha. Because of this db corruption, I went back to Spambayes 1.04 which I've told them. What I really miss in this SpamExpert program is a training function like there is in almost all anti-spam tools...well..could be because it's still a version 1.0 and RC status...I think they still have a long way to go. -- Best regards, Dick ___ There are few problems that cant be solved with high explosives. Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.
Dear John, @11-Jun-2005, 09:48 +1000 (11-Jun 00:48 UK time) John Phillips [JP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: No, but there's one missing on the %FROM= line JP Should that go on the end of the line? Yes. JP And why? Because it stops that line from adding a line feed at its end. Any template macro line that doesn't end with %- adds a blank line to the message. JP Note the %- I have in the macro on the %CC line. Why doesn't it JP work? (See original post for line spacing). It did work. You only had one blank line. That was from the %FROM= line. If you had omitted the %- from the %CC= line you'd have had 2 blank lines. And so on. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpFlUlMi7yR4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.
John Phillips On Sat 11 June 2005, 09:48:59 +1000, you wrote: Should that go on the end of the line? And why? Yes, because the the way TB! macros work is that they are in the template that is inserted in to the body of your message. The output of the first three macros appears in the header area, but the macros are still there in the body, just with no visible output in the body. So the result of what you would have with your template but without any %-, i.e. from %FROM=John Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] %TO=%TO=TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com %CC=%CC= Hi Bat! Fans, would be from macro, result in header to macro, result in header cc macro, result in header. Hi Bat! Fans Where the bit in is simply blank. Note that the carriage returns at the end of each line are still there though. To get rid of these, each of the macro lines needs %- at the end. The fact that your template is missing the first of these three, means that the line resulting from your %FROM macro, which has a blank result in the body, but an entry in the From header field still has a carriage return after it. Does that make (any sort of) sense? Note the %- I have in the macro on the %CC line. Why doesn't it work? It does, see above -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.
Hi Robin, On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, at 11:33:59 [GMT+1000] (which was 11:33:59 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Does that make (any sort of) sense? Err... sort off! g -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow Winamp currently playing: Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.
John Phillips @ 2005-Jun-11 10:54:13 PM Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does that make (any sort of) sense? Err... sort off! g Let me try then. Macro are simply fancy ways of substituting text (for the most part). For example, if you created a template like this: -- BEGIN TEMPLATE -- This is my template. It happens to be three lines long... -- END TEMPLATE -- Every message you created based on that template would have exactly those three lines in it. Notice the blank line in the middle. One like this: -- BEGIN TEMPLATE -- Hello %OFROMNAME, I am just confirming that I have received your order and am processing it. You should expect shipment within the week. -- END TEMPLATE -- Would produce the above text with the sender's name in place of %OFROMNAME. Now, your template has some special macros that modify properties of the message and do not generate any text. -- BEGIN TEMPLATE -- %FROM=John Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] %TO=%TO=TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com %CC=%CC= Hi Bat! Fans, -- END TEMPLATE -- Notice that the first three lines have macros that do not generate any text. However, there are still three lines there. They just happen to be empty. To fix that problem, you could use this: -- BEGIN TEMPLATE -- %FROM=John Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]%TO=%TO=TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com%CC=%CC=Hi Bat! Fans, -- END TEMPLATE -- As you can see, this is all on one line, which is 100% valid. Macros do not have to be on their own lines. Since none of the macros produce any text, all that is entered in the message body is Hi Bat! Fans,. Now, the %- macro is interesting. Think of it as a carriage return remover macro. What it does it prevent the carriage return (or new line [technically there is a difference]) from being put into the message body. So, this macro: -- BEGIN TEMPLATE -- %FROM=John Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %TO=%TO=TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com%- %CC=%CC=%- Hi Bat! Fans, -- END TEMPLATE -- tries to insert three carriage returns (one at the end of each line), but the %- macro stop all three. In summary, there are three primary kinds of macros: * text generating macros, like %OFROMNAME, * option setting macros, like %TO and %PGPMIME, * and helper macros, like %CURSOR, %-, and %IF. The first kind of macro generates text; the others do not. Hope this helped! -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Those who can: do. Those who can't: teach. Those who cannot teach: administrate. pgpPjblpmo8n2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Only five message go from a queue at a time
Hello admin, On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:54:11 +0100 GMT (12/06/2005, 05:54 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aacu If I generate a number of messages that sit in the outbox aacu queue and then send them, only aacu five of them go, until the next auto send and receive and aacu then another five go and so on. aacu Is this a preference setting or something? It could be a setting in the SMTP server to prevent spamming. -- Cheers, Thomas. Nur ein Hund freut sich, wenn ihm etwas vorgeworfen wird. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Signature Oddity... [Was Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.]
Hi John Phillips, On Saturday, June 11, 2005, you wrote: I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow I noticed this at the bottom of your signature. I think there is either a mistake here, or in your signature file. I think the full quote is something like: I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. Or something to that affect. Are you using a cookie file? Or is this cookie in your account properties? Or is this a template? Is it correct in either location? Was it the intention to leave it incomplete? :) From past experience, if you want your cookie to appear on multiple lines, you have to use the \n characters in the cookie itself to wrap it. For example: I can please only\none person per day. This would have the effect of: I can please only one person per day. Note it really is the characters \ and n and not a line feed character. If you put a line feed (enter key) in the cookie file, TheBat treats them as separate cookies. I think this is documented somewhere in the help file (probably a little better explained than I have managed). -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Signature Oddity... [Was Re: Getting rid of blkank lines in new posts, etc.]
Hi Jonathan, On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, at 23:44:04 [GMT-0500] (which was Sun, 14:44:04 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Are you using a cookie file? Just a downloaded cookie file - too lazy to edit! g -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 * Elayne Boosler Winamp currently playing: Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
