Thunderbird
Hi, I'm currently trying out Thunderbird (so far so good). I'm sure thers been a few people on this list that have also tried it out too. If so what features did you miss from The Bat? -- Duncan Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
On Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 7:16:41 AM, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D Hi, D I'm currently trying out Thunderbird (so far so good). I'm sure thers D been a few people on this list that have also tried it out too. If so D what features did you miss from The Bat? I use Thunderbird at work where I have modest email needs. I use The Bat at home because I have become dependent upon: 1) Per folder templates (and quick templates) 2) Macros If Thunderbird had these features, I'd drop The Bat immediately because of it's poor html implementation and lack of image links. Other features in which The Bat is superior but which I don't absolutely need: message flags, memos, and parking. Threaded views. Don't have Thunderbird in front of me now, but I think that message searching is more flexible in The Bat. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Hello Duncan, D what features did you miss from The Bat? I'd have to say that for me it's the ability to manage my POP folders *after* the initial retrieval, and the reason I use K9 instead of BayesIt. Once I've checked an account with TB! (as opposed to TB) any subsequent check from dial-up or mobile devices is free of list mail, large attachments and SPAM. Otherwise, I could probably live with the other (probably temporary) shortfalls for the sake of a true multi-platform solution. On the subject of message indexing/searching, I'm still aching from the demise of Bloomba, which really seemed to be going somewhere new. -- Nick Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
On 9/28/05, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently trying out Thunderbird (so far so good). I'm sure thers been a few people on this list that have also tried it out too. If so what features did you miss from The Bat? I missed: - address book templates - virtual folders but also: - less-than-perfect HTML rendering and - still-not-quite-satisfactory IMAP support In other words, the last two features (plus better interoperability with other software) would make me want to switch to Thunderbird. As long as there are no address book templates (or another feature to get the same functionality) I won't switch. HTH, Roman -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Duncan wrote: I'm currently trying out Thunderbird (so far so good). I'm sure thers been a few people on this list that have also tried it out too. If so what features did you miss from The Bat? What I miss most is the templates. Be it New or Reply or Address Book, I can't think of an easier way to customize than with The Bat!'s Quick Templates, which even can include Regular Expressions. The selection of different SMTP servers for different accounts is quite cumbersome in T'bird, but easy with The Bat!. Filter options are more plentiful in The Bat!. I might find more items if I worked with T'bird more than I do. T'bird has its pros, particularly the handling of GnuPG, but it isn't a viable replacement of The Bat! for me. A meager substitute at best... ;-) -- Thunderbird version 1.0.6 (20050716) on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
On Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 9:23:24 AM, Roman Katzer wrote: but also: - less-than-perfect HTML rendering and I really don't know what this is. I get lots of HTML mail from various lists, and newsletters and -unfortunately- from other users, and don't really see this at all. I have lots less perfect html rendering when I am using firefox or opera than with TB! - still-not-quite-satisfactory IMAP support What little annoyances I see with IMAP are nowhere near serious enough to give up the good points of TB! I really don't care for Thunderbird at all. I will occasionally go there if I want to manage folders or straighten something out that I have messed up, but wouldn't want to be there all the time at all. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Hi Roman, on Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:23:24 -0400GMT (28.09.2005, 16:23 +0200GMT here), you wrote: RK I missed: RK - ... RK - virtual folders But these ARE possible, even in T'bird. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.61.07 Echo :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Peter, On 9/28/05, Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RK I missed: RK - virtual folders But these ARE possible, even in T'bird. apparently I didn't give it enough of a try, then. I overlooked that. I do also miss quick templates which I forgot to mention in my original post. Roman -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Dwight A Corrin @ 9/28/2005 12:20:52 PM Thunderbird mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have lots less perfect html rendering when I am using firefox or opera than with TB! HTML rendering could be much improved if people would write correct markup, but, alas, few do. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Act naturally pgpi0d8RSVqf1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Dwight, On 9/28/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't know what this is. I get lots of HTML mail from various lists, and newsletters and -unfortunately- from other users, and don't really see this at all. I have lots less perfect html rendering when I am using firefox or opera than with TB! YMMV. What I've seen in newsletters and commercial email (e.g. from my bank, from Amazon etc) has been ugly at times and very decent when loaded in Opera. Also, an option to load the images for safe senders or even by manual request would be nice. Regards, Roman -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:16:41 +0100GMT (28-9-2005, 13:16 +0200, where I live), Duncan wrote: I'm currently trying out Thunderbird (so far so good). I'm sure thers been a few people on this list that have also tried it out too. If so what features did you miss from The Bat? I think it is a very nice alternative for people who do not use all the extra's within the Bat! Thunderbird with Enigmail is/are working like a charm with GPG! Can't say that the Bat! is working like that with GPG :-( -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System™ version 3.61.08 Echo (Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Roman Katzer wrote: Also, an option to load the images for safe senders or even by manual request would be nice. That would certainly be nice. I very much like the way Thunderbird deals with this. If its junk, then the images are loaded. -- Duncan Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Hello Nick, On 28 September 2005, 17:05 you wrote: On the subject of message indexing/searching, I'm still aching from the demise of Bloomba, which really seemed to be going somewhere new. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomba. Apparently, it's been re-released as WordPerfect MAIL. -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 If a man begins with certainties, he shall end in doubt; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties. FRANCIS BACON, 1561-1626 ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Roman Katzer wrote: I missed: - address book templates Yeah they're missing! Email signatures could be better. (You have to use a separate file) - virtual folders Is in Thunderbird but also: - less-than-perfect HTML rendering and Had absolutely no problems with this so far. With TheBat any html mail that has images has to be opened in a separate browser. - still-not-quite-satisfactory IMAP support I don't use IMAP regularly, only to connect to the Exchange server at work. With the bat I've had a lot of problems simply getting it to work reliably. Its early days but with Thunderbird so far so good... -- Duncan Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hiding addresses in a group
I created a new group, Meeting, under Personal address book for mailings to about a dozen people who are on a committee. I selected the group for e-mail, and the To: came up with Meeting list. However, the recipients did not see Meeting list but the e-mail addresses for all of the committee members. I tried selecting the list from the BCC: pane, but only the first name in the list appeared. Yes, I could select each name individually from the BCC: pane, but then why do I need a group except to remind me who is in the group. So, how do I send e-mail to a predefined group without the recipients seeing the others addresses? Thank you. Leonard -- Leonard S. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat, version, 2.12.00 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending bulk emails
Hello TBUDL, I have a data base with approximately 2,000 members. On the occasions that I need to mass mail my group I do so using The Bat!. What happens if I have entered an email address into my data base which is incorrectly addressed then The Bat! refuses to send any of the other emails and I have to go through my entire data base to find the one email that is causing the problem. Why can't The Bat! send all the valid emails and leave the incorrect ones in the outbox. This is what I would expect to happen from this email client. Or do I need to configure The Bat! to do this? -- Love and Light, Granville mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Thunderbird
Hello Duncan, Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 3:23:42 PM, you wrote: DS Roman Katzer wrote: Also, an option to load the images for safe senders or even by manual request would be nice. DS That would certainly be nice. I very much like the way Thunderbird deals DS with this. If its junk, then the images are loaded. this has been asked for 2 years now https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780 but forget about it, they wont add this feature because there is too many anti html email withing the thebat guys. -- The Final Cut A Requiem For The Post War Dream pgpZTBq9SJxgr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
On Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 12:40:56 PM, Roman Katzer wrote: Also, an option to load the images for safe senders or even by manual request would be nice. double clicking the html icon is a manual request which is instantly answered, isn't it? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
