Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello Jeff, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 4:36:35 PM, you wrote: JG> Hello List, JG> On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:43:28 PM, Jack wrote: >> But let me make sure I understand what you're doing here. Your command >> line seems to indicate that the /e switch causes REGEDIT to launch and >> automatically create a file called "thebat.reg" which will contain the >> key called HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT, correct? If so, where is >> this file stored since no drive or directory(folder) is specified? JG> It save the reg file in the directory the batch file was launched JG> from. Oh, ok. >> On the other hand, if you have TB perform an automatic backup every >> night doesn't that make your efforts unnecessary? I am assuming that >> restoring TB from a TB backup, from within TB automatically takes care >> of the registry info. JG> The backup save the Bat directory and its sub folders. JG> After a Windows re-install the original directory is still there (it's JG> on the D drive) so I just double click the previous night's reg file JG> and I'm back in business. If for any reason the original is lost or JG> corrupt I can just copy it back from the backup. Do you mean your TB is installed and runs on the D: drive, not the C:drive? >> On the third hand, if I were to import the entire "The Bat!" folder >> from the off-site Carbonite backup couldn't I also import the >> registry? I assume the registry is a file contained somewhere within >> the bowels of Vista and if so, may be contained in the Carbonite >> backup. JG> That's not an easy thing to do. The registry is being read/written to JG> several times a second so it's been updated many times by the time you JG> log on. You can't over-write it with a backup (except in safe mode you JG> can boot from a previous good copy) and regedit only reads the live JG> registry. Well, that's good to know. But doesn't REGEDIT's export/import function overwrite the registry when you import from a previously exported registry file? >> Well, I'm not sure. I have not tried using the import function in the >> TOOLS menu to access the Carbonite backup. That's a possibility and >> I'll try it. JG> You need to do that before your backup is over-written by the missing JG> messages version. Too late. Since I have Carbonite configured to backup on-the-fly (recommended by Carbonite) it seems it's already been overwritten. I have posted an email query to Carbonite tech support for their opinion on all this. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello List, On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:43:28 PM, Jack wrote: > But let me make sure I understand what you're doing here. Your command > line seems to indicate that the /e switch causes REGEDIT to launch and > automatically create a file called "thebat.reg" which will contain the > key called HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT, correct? If so, where is > this file stored since no drive or directory(folder) is specified? It save the reg file in the directory the batch file was launched from. > On the other hand, if you have TB perform an automatic backup every > night doesn't that make your efforts unnecessary? I am assuming that > restoring TB from a TB backup, from within TB automatically takes care > of the registry info. The backup save the Bat directory and its sub folders. After a Windows re-install the original directory is still there (it's on the D drive) so I just double click the previous night's reg file and I'm back in business. If for any reason the original is lost or corrupt I can just copy it back from the backup. > On the third hand, if I were to import the entire "The Bat!" folder > from the off-site Carbonite backup couldn't I also import the > registry? I assume the registry is a file contained somewhere within > the bowels of Vista and if so, may be contained in the Carbonite > backup. That's not an easy thing to do. The registry is being read/written to several times a second so it's been updated many times by the time you log on. You can't over-write it with a backup (except in safe mode you can boot from a previous good copy) and regedit only reads the live registry. > Well, I'm not sure. I have not tried using the import function in the > TOOLS menu to access the Carbonite backup. That's a possibility and > I'll try it. You need to do that before your backup is over-written by the missing messages version. > I'm too old for all this. I long for the days when you could open the > hood(bonnet) of a car and see the ground on both sides of the engine. Oh yes :-) -- Best regards Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Using The Bat! v4.0.28.1 on Windows XP Professional x64 Edition 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello Jeff, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:02:32 PM, you wrote: JG> Hello List, JG> On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 7:41:32 PM, Jack wrote: >> Apparently TB stores other needed parameters elsewhere other than in >> the The Bat! folder. Perhaps the registry? JG> Yes indeed, in: JG> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT JG> I backup the folders and then export the registry tree nightly using a JG> batch file containing: JG> C:\windows\regedit.exe /e thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT Facinating! Whoda thunk it! But let me make sure I understand what you're doing here. Your command line seems to indicate that the /e switch causes REGEDIT to launch and automatically create a file called "thebat.reg" which will contain the key called HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT, correct? If so, where is this file stored since no drive or directory(folder) is specified? On the other hand, if you have TB perform an automatic backup every night doesn't that make your efforts unnecessary? I am assuming that restoring TB from a TB backup, from within TB automatically takes care of the registry info. On the third hand, if I were to import the entire "The Bat!" folder from the off-site Carbonite backup couldn't I also import the registry? I assume the registry is a file contained somewhere within the bowels of Vista and if so, may be contained in the Carbonite backup. JG> If your backup seems to contain these missing messages can you import JG> them from the tools menu? Well, I'm not sure. I have not tried using the import function in the TOOLS menu to access the Carbonite backup. That's a possibility and I'll try it. I'm too old for all this. I long for the days when you could open the hood(bonnet) of a car and see the ground on both sides of the engine. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello Peter, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 1:42:16 PM, you wrote: PM> Hi Jack, PM> on Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:35:01 -0600GMT(15.11.2008, 18:35 +0100GMT here), PM> you wrote: JSL>> [where is TB!'s mail directory?] PM> You can check and set this in The Bat! under Options - Preferences - PM> System - Mail Directory That would have been handy to know, and I appreciate the info, but as you can see from my other posts, knowing where those files are doesn't help. If you restore them from an off-site backup, TB thinks it's a new installation. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
> I do not currently see any way out of this dilemma and must consider > her wrath when she I tell her I goofed. I too speak "wife" - my prayers are with you :)) -- Rick Help bring to a close, the Age of Greed v4.0.34.22 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello List, On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 7:41:32 PM, Jack wrote: > Apparently TB stores other needed parameters elsewhere other than in > the The Bat! folder. Perhaps the registry? Yes indeed, in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT I backup the folders and then export the registry tree nightly using a batch file containing: C:\windows\regedit.exe /e thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT If your backup seems to contain these missing messages can you import them from the tools menu? -- Best regards Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Using The Bat! v4.0.28.1 on Windows XP Professional x64 Edition 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hi Jack, on Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:35:01 -0600GMT(15.11.2008, 18:35 +0100GMT here), you wrote: JSL> [where is TB!'s mail directory?] You can check and set this in The Bat! under Options - Preferences - System - Mail Directory -- Cheers Peter Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Fellow list members, With everyone's help here's what I've found so far: On her computer running Vista I found a folder called "The Bat!" which is located in C:\USERS\JUNE\APPDATA\ROAMING (her name is June). This folder contains all the folders in her account with all the .TBB and .TBI folders in each sub-folder. If I move the entire The Bat! folder to the desktop (to protect it) and then import the same folder from the Carbonite backup into the C:\USERS\JUNE\APPDATA\ROAMING folder and then launch TB, TB looks just like a new installation but with her account present. However, there's nothing IN her account. None of her user-created sub-folders are there. It makes it look as if TB! had never been used. I even tried the same procedure with the individual .TBB folders with the same result ie, new account with nothing in it. Apparently TB stores other needed parameters elsewhere other than in the The Bat! folder. Perhaps the registry? Before anyone thinks of me as a dunderhead, yes, I did set up TB when I installed it to do automatic backups. However, dunderhead that I am, I set it up to perform the automatic backups only every seven days. Doh! I now have set it to perform the autobackup every day. The horse is gone but the barn door is now locked. I do not currently see any way out of this dilemma and must consider her wrath when she I tell her I goofed. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 18:35:01, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: > However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing > even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how > TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the > Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder. Look in %APPDATA%\The Bat (or %APPDATA%\RIT\The Bat) instead, as newer versions store mail in per-user locations. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ > The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made. -- Glyme's Formula for Success Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello all, Saturday, November 15, 2008, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: > Something very strange here. If I look in *my* computer under PROGRAM > FILES-THE BAT! there is a folder called MAIL which when opened shows > folders for all accounts. If an account folder is opened it shows > everything pertaining to that account including .TBB and .TBI folders. > However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing > even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how > TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the > Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder. check Documents and Settings in C drive, if data are there, in this case, name of folder can be The Bat! and not MAIL. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.34.22 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello MFPA, Something very strange here. If I look in *my* computer under PROGRAM FILES-THE BAT! there is a folder called MAIL which when opened shows folders for all accounts. If an account folder is opened it shows everything pertaining to that account including .TBB and .TBI folders. However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder. I'll write back with an update. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello MFPA, Wait a minute, I may have found where the messages are stored. I have to go to her computer to check. Back in a few minutes -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello MFPA, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:26:37 AM, you wrote: M> Hi M> On Saturday 15 November 2008 at 2:36:40 PM, in M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote: >> My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13 >> disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be >> there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in >> the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were >> from yesterday the 14th. M> Strange. And worrying. I take it not accidentally deleted and residing M> in the trash folder? Or in the folder they disappeared from if not M> "compressed" since - check by selecting "browse deleted messages" from M> the folder menu. When I try that I get "There are no deleted messages in this message base". M> [...] >> I looked on her C: drive in the folder called "The >> Bat!" contained in the "program files" folder but I >> don't see anything in the "The Bat!" folder which would >> seem to contain all messages. M> I think in very early versions of TB! the mail was there. Since I M> discovered TB! at version 2.x the default has been %appdata%\The Bat!, M> which might even equate to %email%. For each mail folder you should M> find a messages.tbb and messages.tbi file (different extensions if you M> use OTFE). The TBB file is the message base and the TBI is the index The folder %appdata% contains nothing relating to TB! and the folder %email% doesn't exist. I'm assuming both folders should be accessed from Windows Explorer which is how I searched the %appdata% folder. >> I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so >> presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages M> I know nothing about carbonite but I would expect so if a backup was M> made when the messages were present, unless the backup was overwritten M> since they disappeared. Understood, and a concern since Carbonite backs up everything OTF. >> Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I >> simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to >> the same location on her C: drive? M> I would suggest renaming the message.tbb and .tbi files currently in M> the folder (in case you need to revert to them) and copying the ones M> from your backup into the folder, then firing up TB! and seeing what M> messages you have. Love to try it if I can ever locate the messages. Thanks for trying to help. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hi On Saturday 15 November 2008 at 2:36:40 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote: > My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13 > disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be > there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in > the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were > from yesterday the 14th. Strange. And worrying. I take it not accidentally deleted and residing in the trash folder? Or in the folder they disappeared from if not "compressed" since - check by selecting "browse deleted messages" from the folder menu. [...] > I looked on her C: drive in the folder called "The > Bat!" contained in the "program files" folder but I > don't see anything in the "The Bat!" folder which would > seem to contain all messages. I think in very early versions of TB! the mail was there. Since I discovered TB! at version 2.x the default has been %appdata%\The Bat!, which might even equate to %email%. For each mail folder you should find a messages.tbb and messages.tbi file (different extensions if you use OTFE). The TBB file is the message base and the TBI is the index > I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so > presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages I know nothing about carbonite but I would expect so if a backup was made when the messages were present, unless the backup was overwritten since they disappeared. > Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I > simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to > the same location on her C: drive? I would suggest renaming the message.tbb and .tbi files currently in the folder (in case you need to revert to them) and copying the ones from your backup into the folder, then firing up TB! and seeing what messages you have. -- Best regards, MFPA Is it possible to be a closet claustrophobic? Using The Bat! v4.0.32.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help-Partial message loss!
Fellow list members, My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13 disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were from yesterday the 14th. I did a search of *all* TB! folders for the string "Bob" in the header because she remembers a message having come from "Bob" yesterday the 14th but it couldn't be found. I looked on her C: drive in the folder called "The Bat!" contained in the "program files" folder but I don't see anything in the "The Bat!" folder which would seem to contain all messages. I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages but again, I can't see where they're stored. The Carbonite "The Bat!" folder contains exactly the same things as the "The Bat!" folder on her C: drive. Where does TB! keep all it's messages? Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to the same location on her C: drive? Her computer is running the Vista OS with version 3.99.3 of TB! installed. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
