Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Thu, 2009-08-27, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello MFPA, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:09:37 +0100 GMT (28/Aug/09, 2:09 AM +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: If you prefer to the Windows standard then (no, I'm not going to say use the Windows editor g) you can hit the End key. It will place the cursor behind the last character as you desire. M Or you could remove the tick from Free caret positioning at M Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | M MicroEd-specific options. (-; I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) It might if v2.11 had such an option! :-) Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. In fact I did just that with this message! -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hello Bill, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:25:01 -0700 GMT (28/Aug/09, 13:25 PM +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) BM It might if v2.11 had such an option! :-) Ah, forgot about your version number. Sorry. BM Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And BM for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am BM finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, BM apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. BM BM In fact I did just that with this message! Wow, that's a new way of taking the best of both editors! Have your cake and eat it too? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hi On Friday 28 August 2009 at 7:25:01 AM, in mid:469231774.20090827232...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote: Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. What is the advantage of switching back to the Windows editor to send it? -- Best regards MFPA There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hi On Thursday 27 August 2009 at 8:53:46 PM, in mid:369449679.20090827215...@nosuchdomain.com, Peter Meyns wrote: This is a good one for April fools! :D Not sure I understand how it would be good for April Fools, since that setting really exists and has that functionality. -- Best regards MFPA He's an environmentalist - his arguments are 100% recycled Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Fri, 2009-08-28, MFPA wrote: Hi On Friday 28 August 2009 at 7:25:01 AM, in mid:469231774.20090827232...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote: Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. What is the advantage of switching back to the Windows editor to send it? None, really. However, it appeases my OCD and lets me see that the portions of the message, like quotes, that I did not reformat are still the way I wanted them. Oh, and I don't actually always do it! :-) -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB lagging?
Hi, I've noticed this ever since I upgraded to version 4 and it's not a constant problem, but often enough that it's really annoying. When I switch from one message to the next, or from one folder to another, or hit delete (or pretty much any command), it can take up to 10 seconds before TB responds. It's gotten to the point where I'm so frustrated with this, that I'm contemplating another email client, and I've been happy with TB for ages (since version 1). No other programs on my pc are affected, this can happen even when cpu usage is at 2%, and I have no other programs open. Could it be a software conflict, and if it is, how do I track it down without uninstalling everything else? -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
On Friday, August 28, 2009, 19:28:48, Susanne wrote: Could it be a software conflict, and if it is, how do I track it down without uninstalling everything else? I suggest you first look at disk activity while TB is switching between messages, and also try compressing the message base through Folder - Maintainance Centre. Also, how many messages do you have in folders? -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ Buttered bread tends to fall with the buttered side down. -- Bernstein's First Law Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hi, Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:42:36 AM,jernej.listso...@ena.si wrote: I suggest you first look at disk activity while TB is switching between messages, and also try compressing the message base through Folder - Maintainance Centre. I do this every time I close TB. Also, how many messages do you have in folders? Many, about 100.000. What I just noticed is that TB doesn't show up in the Windows Task Manager as a running process, and when I click on anything in TB, *that* process then shows up as Not responding in the task manager during the lag time. CPU usage is at 3-5% at that time, then briefly jumps to around 20% when TB finally reponds. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
On Friday, August 28, 2009, 20:46:01, Susanne wrote: Many, about 100.000. This might be a problem, especially if you use any kind of threading. I noticed that TB gets significantly slower (from almost instantly to over 2 seconds) when switching to folders that contain more than ~15.000 messages, although at least for me, once the folder is displayed, TB switched between messages instantly. How fragmented are your message bases? When you have this many messages in a folder, disk fragmentation becomes an important factor, too. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ Experience varies directly with the equipment ruined. -- RB's Five-Thumbs Postulate Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Guten Tag Susanne, am Freitag, 28. August 2009 um 19:28 schrieben Sie: it can take up to 10 seconds before TB responds. I have The Bat! inside a virtualBox Machine and i see this more than detailed - it happens, if the Folder has more than some tousands of eMails stored, if you try the same in a Folder with some hundreds of emails it should not happen like this - can you confirm? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de The Bat! 4.2.10.7 + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.1.1 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.2 Language-File-Checksum: E8E56F88 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 3.0.4 r50677 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 170 (Common) Folders - about 10 Messages Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP encrypted and signed message cannot be decrypted in TB! if you don't have sender's public key to check signature
Hi Can anybody confirm that a PGP encrypted and signed message cannot be decrypted in TB! if you don't have the sender's public key to check the signature? Also, if somebody pastes their key into a message body and then clearsigns the message, TB! will not import the key to your keyring if the key is not already there to check the signature? -- Best regards MFPA I'll tell you what's the matter! This parrot is dead! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hi, Friday, August 28, 2009, 12:01:27 PM,jernej.listso...@ena.si wrote: This might be a problem, especially if you use any kind of threading. I noticed that TB gets significantly slower (from almost instantly to over 2 seconds) when switching to folders that contain more than ~15.000 messages, although at least for me, once the folder is displayed, TB switched between messages instantly. I don't use threading at all, and when the lag happens, it doesn't matter what I try to do. What makes me wonder is why TB doesn't show up as a running program in the Task Manager anymore. I know it used to. Is this something the newer version does, or is it part of the problem. How fragmented are your message bases? When you have this many messages in a folder, disk fragmentation becomes an important factor, too. No idea how fragmented they are. I do regular defrag on the hard drive, but am not sure if that's what you mean. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hi On Saturday 29 August 2009 at 1:37:20 AM, in mid:146451243.20090828173...@gmail.com, Susanne wrote: What makes me wonder is why TB doesn't show up as a running program in the Task Manager anymore. Shows up twice in mine. You want to borrow one? -- Best regards MFPA Nothing a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster won't cure! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hi, Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:46:56 PM,expires2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Shows up twice in mine. You want to borrow one? Sure! Send it on over! *g* I've ruthlessly thrown out a bunch of mail that I'll most likely never miss (am an email pack rat, apparently) and things seem a bit speedier. Or maybe it's just one of the good phases right now. Is there actually a limit to how many messages TB can hold without getting slowed down? -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Test for On--- On Friday, August 28, 2009, at 7:59:55 PM, Susanne wrote: I've ruthlessly thrown out a bunch of mail that I'll most likely never miss (am an email pack rat, apparently) and things seem a bit speedier. FWIW, when you get that (not responding) tag in the Task Manager, it means that that specific process isn't processing events the way that Windows is designed to do. I encounter it from time to time on my old Win98SE systems, usually from my browser (Opera 9), but I believe that the actual culprit is the o/s itself, which is attempting to do a disk read and has disabled interruption during what's supposed to be a very short time but which is actually stretching out to several minutes instead of only a few microseconds. The large number of reads required by your huge mail folders can certainly increase the odds of this happening, but it's also possible that your hard disk is preparing for forced retirement in the not too distant future! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hello Susanne, On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:59:55 -0700 GMT (29/Aug/09, 7:59 AM +0700 GMT), Susanne wrote: S Is there actually a limit to how many messages TB S can hold without getting slowed down? It's not the number of messages but the size, if I am not mistaken. Also I had the same problem with one folder, and no amount of deleting and compacting worked. I created another folder, copied all messages over from within TB!, exited TB! and deleted the messages.tbb and .tbi, and reopend TB!. Then copied the messages back. Another problem might be cause by your anti-virus scanner: When you access a big file (like messages.tbb) it gets scanned on-access and that takes time. So, you can exclude the mail folder from the on-access scan. Oh, and the limit for messages.tbb is 2 GB. TB! will send you a warning when you come close to that size. There should be no reason to have 2 GB worth of mail in one folder. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hi, Friday, August 28, 2009, 7:47:05 PM,j...@jimkyle.com wrote: but it's also possible that your hard disk is preparing for forced retirement in the not too distant future! I sure hope not, since this is a fairly new computer, but if it happens, I'll have daily back-ups. Since it's only TB that is having problems, I suspect it has more to do with the large number of mails I keep. I'll see if my clean-up action has a lasting effect! -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB lagging?
Hi, Friday, August 28, 2009, 8:11:03 PM,thomas.gm...@gmx.net wrote: So, you can exclude the mail folder from the on-access scan. I'll check into that and see if my free AVG has advanced settings for that! Oh, and the limit for messages.tbb is 2 GB. TB! will send you a warning when you come close to that size. No warnings yet, but I've whittled things down quite a bit and will watch how it goes. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
