Re: SOT: Avasst! signature
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:04 AM Thomas Fernandez ML wrote: > Hello Tbudl, > > Does anybody know how I can prevent avast! Premium from adding a sig > stating that the email was scanned? > > They are not paying me for advertising... > Are you paying them for scanning? (-: Cordially, Mica -- www Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tip of the Day - contribution to
Hi! This is my contribution to the Bat's "Tip of the Day": "TheBat! is powerful program, although it cannot make an espresso. For now. -- MM" You can add your own tip, by editing the file "thebat.tip". -- Mica Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Info about TBOT needed
Hello Lore, Sunday, February 21, 2021, 7:17:18 PM, you wrote: > I'd just be glad to see the Yahoo group replaced with a Google > group. I do wonder how many members we have in TBOT, and whether > they are all in this group as well. I have some feeling that even if TBOT would reincarnate under the fluffy paw of Google, it could be a longish delivery. I couldn't know how many members TBOT had exactly, but for sure it was above one hundred. -- Mica (Micchah) Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Info about TBOT needed
Hello Lore, Saturday, February 13, 2021, 7:10:22 PM, you wrote: > We should get a Google Group made. That has solved the issue for > another Y group I've been in. I don't know if the previous owner of the Yahoo TBOT is willing to do this, but there, already almost two months passed with no news in this regard, so that if someone could contact him / her and see, would not be bad I guess. I could create it myself but would accept anyone else willing to do this, although could be fine if we contact the previous TBOT owner first. Tell me what you (and all) think... -- Mica (Micchah) Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to delete a message in TheBat! while I am in IMAP mode of Gmail
Hello TBUDL, I'm not very apt in working with IMAP, but this what I understand is that if I chose to delete a message shown in The Bat, it should be deleted from Gmail server too - if I have configured it so (which I did). Now, what I find interesting, and guess might be important, is when TB! downloads messages from Gmail, it for each filter I have created in Gmail, makes separate folder, with the name of the given filter, and in this folder I can see the messages filtered by this rule. Those messages I can see both in TB's Inbox, and in the given mentioned folder. For instance, the messages from TBUDL folder I can see both inside this folder and inside Inbox. Then, if I delete some message in TBUDL folder, I notice that it is not deleted from the Inbox! And vice versa. While, if I change status of a message in Inbox, eg. to "Read", I see it is changed in "TBUDL" folder too. Same is with using flags etc. Then again, if I delete, in TB!, a message that has no a rule assigned to, it happens with the copy of the message on Gmail www interface too. And vice versa, which I recon is as it should be. The thing acts normal, or as expected to. -- The question is: Why is this not the case with the rest of the messages which are filtered out into those mentioned folders? ★ More precisely: How could I make that if I delete such a message from Inbox, it is deleted from related folder too, and vice versa, and me not being caught in the silly gamboling right and left from folder to folder and deleting one and the same messages twice? Thanks much (for stopping the show)! -- Mica Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] Info about TBOT needed
Hello Jack, Was Saturday, February 13, 2021, 7:05:41 PM, when you wrote: > Does t...@yahoogroups.com not work anymore? Nope. Yahoo has cooled it's groups service off. Yahoogroups threw the spoon. Into the bucket. And then kicked the bucket. I recon it is now doubly dead. ✔ I guess we could design a new incarnation in Googlegroups, as Lore mentioned. -- Cordially, Mica Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] Info about TBOT needed
Hello TBUDL, Could Anyone inform me (PM is acceptable too) where we could address related to off topic content now? Thanks much, -- Mica .fioyica Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] I have lost a gmx address (eek! - oops? - yuck!) - advice needed
\\ Meant to be sent to TBOT, but I recalled that Yahoo groups don't
work anymore, hence resending here, if you don't mind, and possibly
someone could help me in fixing this issue. Thanks much! Gracias!
Muchas! //
Hi!
See this...please...due to not using it lately (few years now,
actually), and not logging in at all, I have found yesterday ("all my
troubles seem so...") that I have lost my GMX address (the 'famous'
bluen...@gmx.net). Forever. And ever. And probably for good too. If
not even for eternity (which is indeed a lots of the time, if you
agree). I didn't know for this GMX politics; might be it is something
relatively new; have no a faintest idea (lots of change these days in
the world, I hope for the better anyway).
I've been trying to make new one, at GMX, but found that this too is
not possible anymore - save if you are in Germany, Austria and / or
Swiss.
So...as well, I have to revoke all my GPG keys related to this
address, I guess. And when I make new key(s), I would want an address
which is equally, or nearly so, reliable as this GMX one was. I've
been searching for something like that, but haven't find anything
similar.
Anyone having some advice as for how to solve such situation?[*]
[*] Gmail is good to me for the most of things I do, but I don't think
it became that good that I could use it for GPG signed, or encrypted,
mail. Although I already guess I could do some 'workaround' by sending
GPG-ed content as attachment.
--
Cordially,
Mića
.fioyica
Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.2.2 annoyance: x bytes of storage space released confirmation. Can't seem to disable this notification.
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:51:21 -0800 Von: Melissa Reese willkayakforf...@gmx.com An: Melissa Reese tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Betreff: Re: v5.2.2 annoyance: x bytes of storage space released confirmation. Can\'t seem to disable this notification. Hi, I realize it's generally bad form to reply to myself, but here's an update: Problem solved (it was my fault - overlooked an option)... (...) The solution to my problem was this: In Account Properties | Mail management | Deletion, there's this option: Compact emptied folders automatically With this option, selected on this level (account level, as opposed to individual folder level), every time I would right-click on a folder and select empty, it would also compact the folder, giving me the bytes saved message. I've reset my account options to what I prefer -- to just compact everything upon program exit. All is well again, and I've now restored v5.2.2 on my main computer. Good to know, for there was the solution, that means that those newer versions are still worth of attention. a little bit rotten smile It seems I am changing my mind gradually and am becoming interesting in newer versions of TB!. I am particularly interested in Portable one, and then particularly for its Unicode (UTF-8) support, which I find excellent, so far (since I am still deeper and deeper in Japanese, Chinese, Sanskrit... and related translations and their comparative analysis). Sometimes, it just takes a while to figure out precisely what type of idiot I've been in a given situation. I usually figure it out. Eventually. :) We all make mistakes, for various reasons. I think, and feel, we should accept our weaknesses, better ourselves (or at least trying sincerely this) and continue walking further, into the Better Future. green We, humans, have plenty hidden features and options, we are not aware of, particularly in some special/peculiar situations. -- -- Mica Mijatovic bluen...@gmx.net GPG/PGP keys and the rest... www.blueness-port.info sent from www.gmx.net Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.2.2 annoyance: x bytes of storage spacereleasedconfirmation. Can't seem to disable this notification.
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 9 Oct 2012, @ @ at 16:25:58 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Mica, On Tuesday, October 09, 2012, at 7:30:36 AM PST, you wrote: Take the damn, good, version 2.12 back to your saddle. Not at all an unreasonable suggestion -- v2.12 has been the best (competent, trouble-free) Bat I've used since v1.x. I do have a copy of it, so I'm seriously considering going back to it. Yep, I'd supposed. That's good (and fine) news to hear. For the moment, I've rolled back to v4.2.44.2 (at least it got rid of the annoying problem complained of in this thread). I see. Fine. I have my issues with this version as well, but I've had it for a while now, and have sorted out most issues to a tolerable level of satisfaction. I see, that's fine then I guess. -- I recall that the biggest problem you had with transition to newer versions (in that time it was the...famous version 3) was on how to trans-late the filters that you were having convoluted (such was your own word, if I recall well), very complex and in everyday's use. It was my biggest problem too, and in trying this process, just for curiosity to see how the v.3xx works, and looks like, I screwed up, pardon my language, folks, few very important filters, of similar complexity, and convolution. So, that was the moment I even started not thinking anymore of any transition, for any reasons, including quite natural curiosity, seen at us, the human beings all around and across this still beautiful planet Earth, blue and blue so beautifully Blue One. Hope you are still Well ( Kicking), so stay so... (-: -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://www.blueness-port.info/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Many ones...Linux-es, WinBlows-es, Android(s) and so on... Have a nice guess...which one I use right now! (-: Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.2.2 annoyance: x bytes of storage space releasedconfirmation. Can't seem to disable this notification.
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 8 Oct 2012, @ @ at 13:44:33 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote, to Rick, not to Me..., on TBUDL (and said had no thing on TBOT ... yet): Hi Rick, On Saturday, October 06, 2012, at 1:03:42 PM PST, you wrote: I hope someone has a solution for you. I only replied so you would know that this is NOT normal behavior It continues to annoy me, with no working solution yet recommended. I'm pretty sure I've carefully gone through every preference/option/setting I can, yet still can't find an option to disable this. Please, someone, help! :) I have suggestion, almost a propose, but you will ... laugh, at the least...perhaps...may-be... -- Take the damn, good, version 2.12 back to your saddle. Melissa...I am serious. Se-ri-ous. (Forget the bloo...ups... money you did fling as a cow, just for you being curious, for version above 3.0. -- You better had sent these to my bank account... Ah yes, I use ALPHA Bank in New Belgrade. greenlet) PS - I see you are Well. I'm Glad for that. Thanks for the Response. (-; PPS - Soon, I'll send you some pictures... Of mine... (-; Hold YourSelf...they will be quite sensitive ones... a cute rotten green -- Mica (will save Melissa, for fod!) (: :green: :) ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine and many newest and other ones... -- Guess which one I use right now... tic-tac-tic-tac... Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.2.2 annoyance: x bytes of storage space released confirmation.Can't seem to disable this notification.
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 6 Oct 2012, @ @ at 12:09:02 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: I recently updated my TB to v5.2.2 (no particular good reason for doing so, truth be told), and now I'm paying for my folly. Sorry for that, Melissa...but, truth be told, your folly seems to me at the least, endures a longish time then now, particularly since it was/is for no particular reason. Handkiss, Ms ... I hope we'll see ya; once...or more than once again. (-: Be well... -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness-port.info/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Many ones... Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(Slightly OT) How to buy Version 2.12 -- that is the question, NOW!
Hello Dear All! I'd want to buy your version 2.12 of TheBat!, if is anyhow possible, as soon as possible. You may cc to TBOT as well, as to my PM. Thanks! (-: -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://www.blueness-port.info/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~ Profess... (-; Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to a new computer - a few questions...
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 12 Nov 2011, @ @ at 15:10:38 -0800, when Melissa Reese wrote: I realize it's in bad form to reply to myself, and I apologize for this, but since no one else replied to this message, someone had to do it! ;) Absolutely! Talking to own self is sometimes the best solution. (: I mean talking it out is better than be silent. . Now everything is up and running, and working very well! :) There you see... You just were persistent and solved little bunch of problems... I like your mind. I'm still wondering why the new installation had trouble creating a Mail folder within the main program folder, but this is something I can investigate at my leisure. Well, so it is... Behind every software stands some mind, who made it, that is accustomed to work some way. So if you try to do things other way with some software, it will not work, for a first several while(s?). But if you _really_ need something done one defined way it will work at the end. The specific mind of the given software will accept what you need. It will surrender to your will/needs. - I give no bit no more to the stories of computers' exactness and 'scientific' roots, they are in their essence totally irrational things: now it will work, now it will not. It all depends on various planetary cycles, moon phases (pay attention that these days is in full phase), a fly sitting or not on the memory stick, air humidity and who knows what else. The living example is Windows(r) itself, and we all know this. At the end, we need an entire system of the lists dedicated to howtos, to cope with TB!! (: A piece of software. (: Is this for nothing? Of course it is not. Just don't give up no matter what happens and watch the threads of the misty mystic law behind all this behavior. A solution always exists. This or that way... (: Have a happy day... -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 12 Jun 2011, @ @ at 16:37:41 +1000, when Paul Berger wrote: Hello TBUDL@thebat., Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:08:12 PM, you wrote: MM***^\ ._)~~ MM ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 10 Jun 2011, MM@ @ at 13:59:07 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Also, very unfortunately, I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users (just not reliable enough anymore). There was a time when I sent all sorts of new customers to Ritlabs. That's just not the case anymore. MM Years of enthusiasm are past now. They should set v2.12 at disposal for MM download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide MM what they want. MM Happy user of v2.12, The Bat has so many handy features and I have got so used to it that I hope the Ver 5 bugs get solved. Meanwhile am happy to stay with 4.2.36.4. I particularly value the email filtering system. If anybody wants this version, I could put it up on the web for them. Someone could rejoice, I am sure. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 16 Jun 2011, @ @ at 10:55:55 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: If over 600 million people in the world think that privacy is old hat, why are you surprised that there are fewer users of GPG/PGP? Privacy is a matter of magic not of a piece of soft wared machine. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unable to receive one message
Hi All, I have one message I can't download for who knows what reason. I left it on dispatcher until I have some solution for this case. Message is about 4.5 MB but I don't believe that that matters (I did download even bigger ones). Any help is welcome. Thanks! -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unable to receive one message
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 16 Jun 2011, @ @ at 16:03:58 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: MM I have one message I can't download for who knows what reason. I left MM it on dispatcher until I have some solution for this case. Message is MM about 4.5 MB but I don't believe that that matters (I did download even MM bigger ones). Any help is welcome. Thanks! The reason fo rthis behaviour is often that the message contains a virus and the anti-virus software steals the .tmp file before it can be imported to the database. TB's message is 'Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: NOOP, RETR 1)'. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unable to receive one message
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 16 Jun 2011, @ @ at 13:41:36 +0200, when Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Mica, On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:52:58 +0200GMT (16-6-2011, 11:52 , where I live), you wrote: MM I have one message I can't download for who knows what reason. I left MM it on dispatcher until I have some solution for this case. Message is MM about 4.5 MB but I don't believe that that matters (I did download even MM bigger ones). Any help is welcome. Thanks! The reason fo rthis behaviour is often that the message contains a virus and the anti-virus software steals the .tmp file before it can be imported to the database. MM TB's message is 'Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: MM NOOP, RETR 1)'. That's what you'd expect when your AV software interrupts the download process. That was right diagnosis! I'd suggest that you check with the dispatcher whether it's a message that you expect (sender/subject) and unless the header tells you that it's something you really need to download you'd better delete it from the server. I put AV scanner off for a minute, downloaded messages and put the scanner on scanning Inbox database. Thanks Roelof much. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 11 Jun 2011, @ @ at 13:02:57 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Mica, On Saturday, June 11, 2011, at 1:08:12 AM PST, you wrote: They should set v2.12 at disposal for download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide what they want. That's a great idea. Somewhere I have my original installation file for v2.12 (my registration code for that version is somewhere as well), and I may well try to go vintage one of these days. I know someone who is still very happy using v1.49! :) That's the attitude! Go girl! -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 10 Jun 2011, @ @ at 13:59:07 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Also, very unfortunately, I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users (just not reliable enough anymore). There was a time when I sent all sorts of new customers to Ritlabs. That's just not the case anymore. Years of enthusiasm are past now. They should set v2.12 at disposal for download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide what they want. Happy user of v2.12, -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto-respond filter not working
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 16 Jun 2010, @ @ at 13:41:27 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Hi, I've set up an auto-respond filter, but it's not working. Though I set it to send the reply immediately, in five test attempts, it only created the reply message once, and instead of sending it immediately as specified in the filter, it just put a copy in the Outbox (and never sent). In the four other identical tests, nothing at all happened (no reply message was even created). I've just recently upgraded to v4 (from my trusty old v2.12), and this is the first time I've attempted to use the auto-responder in this version. Never had this problem in v2. Any ideas? Thanks! I have a quite fine idea, but feel it will not be very popular; namely back to version 2.12. Why changing something that's working fine. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Auto-respond filter not working
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 17 Jun 2010, @ @ at 02:11:18 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Now and again, my curiosity demands a bit of attention; hence my sudden jump from v2 to v4. I do find this new version interesting, so while an issue like this can be frustrating, since it's not absolutely essential for me at the moment, I'm willing to see if it can be sorted out within a reasonable bit of time. Thanks, however, for offering your opinion! :) I understand. You are welcome, and...good luck, with v4. (: -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ads
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 22 Nov 2009, @ @ at 23:24:39 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Sean, On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:01:41 + GMT (22/Nov/09, 22:01 PM +0700 GMT), Sean Rima wrote: SR On 22 Nov 2009, at 13:39, Gunivortus Goos g...@boudicca.de wrote: is there an option to get yahoogroups listmail without the ads? SR Think that traditional does not have adds it only only the HTML that SR does SR Sean Totally off-topic, but the list is quiet. It seems I don't receive ads but a long footer in traditional setting. However, YahooGroups! it's a group mailing service free for the users, so I don't know how they can finance it without ads. Just a thought. Nice, elegant, clever thought. Refreshing. Thanks. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not getting any list postings
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 12 Sep 2009, @ @ at 21:57:04 +0800, when Chew Yoke Lim wrote: This used to be an exciting :-) List. Hahhahhaahha...! Yeah. Once. Exciting list... Once upon a time, there was a list that... Eeek! -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not getting any list postings
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 12 Sep 2009, @ @ at 21:15:47 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: This list is still exciting, but only very few people seem to have questions about the program, or any problems with it. Just shows how good TB! is. Yeah. This one was good. Thanks! (-: -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Not getting any list postings)
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 12 Sep 2009, @ @ at 15:46:44 +0100, when Marck D Pearlstone wrote: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Webgenie. ' Nice trout, nice smell... Thanks! -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving messages?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 15 Aug 2009, @ @ at 13:05:49 +0200, when Alwin H. Burkart wrote: Could you please tell me, what I have to do not to receive the messages about bat etc. anymore? I would be very gratefull if you could give me a hint. Send a message to this address... mailto:tbudl-requ...@thebat.dutaint.com?subject=unsubscribe -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing a single message
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 15 Aug 2009, @ @ at 13:08:05 +0100, when MFPA wrote: Yellow snow is not lemon flavoured Yeah, don't eat yellow snow. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: using appropriate account to REPLY
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 15 Aug 2009, @ @ at 22:38:23 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: All is possible with TB!. H... -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Editor window suddenly displays only two header fields at atime
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 8 Aug 2009, @ @ at 15:03:30 +0100, when MFPA wrote: Hi Suddenly, my message editor window only displays two header fields and I have to scroll to see/edit any more. Until earlier today, five headers were on display at once. I have not made changes to any settings at all AFAIK. Change to v2.12. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: registry entry that looks like a spelling mistake
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 8 Aug 2009, @ @ at 15:14:15 +0100, when MFPA wrote: Hi Don't know if this is peculiar to my installation but I have just spotted a registry entry that looks like a spelling mistake. Under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor I have a dword value called Accaunt options Index Can anybody verify? Change to version 2.12. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: registry entry that looks like a spelling mistake
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 8 Aug 2009, @ @ at 16:12:57 +0100, when MFPA wrote: Hi On Saturday 8 August 2009 at 3:35:17 PM, in mid:103726253.20090808163...@gmx.net, Mica Mijatovic wrote: Change to version 2.12. Was it right in that version? Everything. Old good model, before any strange ambitions. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: registry entry that looks like a spelling mistake
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 8 Aug 2009, @ @ at 17:27:04 +0200, when Marek Mikus wrote: Hello all, Saturday, August 8, 2009, Mica Mijatovic wrote: Everything. Old good model, before any strange ambitions. this is why You are using Windows98 yet? Sir, no Sir! This is just a signature out of date. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 12 Dec 2006, @ @ at 15:09:59 +, when MFPA wrote: This schema with three main partitions (OS | Programs | Data/Documents) is the best/safest way. Many professionals find it as best solution too. Often is done further division of the Data as well (e.g. private, business etc.). I have seen advocated partitions for TEMP and Archive in addition to those three, although I suppose Archive is just another example of a further division of Data. Yes, they do that too, and in various ways. Basically, the entire administration can be (and indeed is, by more advanced, demanding, weird users) divided into much more specialized sectors, and perhaps best example is the quite classical Linux/Unix strategy. There you can see that it by default has several (6-7) main partitions... /bin # programs coming with OS itself and shared by all users /etc # OS settings and related tools /home# place for (non-root) users /root# for the boss and his/her privileged secrets and tricks /tmp /usr # for programs installed and shared by users ...and so on. This of course is not the case with modern Linux installations that imitate the Windows, installing all on just one single partition, in order to make it for the users accustomed to Windows easier to manage. Also, there are users who in Windows, in return, apply exactly the rules and habits found in the classic Linux, making thus separate dedicated partitions for, as you have mentioned, TEMP, Archive, Documents and so on, and changing the system variables to point to these partitions accordingly, instead to the default addresses. Out of interest (and at the risk of moving too far off-topic), what are the arguments either way between using partitions or physical drives? This part is not clear to me. I will suppose that by drives you here mean actually hard disk, in contrast to the part of it, partition (since drive and partition are most frequently used as synonyms)? If yes, then there is no any significant difference, for the goal is same: to keep various types of data separated, and thus to provide more security/safety for them. (If OS kicks the bucket, the Documents will remain unaffected and so forth.) In particular situations, it's even better to keep your Documents on separate hard disk, since this way they are even more isolated from the rest, and if it is even a portable, USB and so on hard disk, then even better - anyone who would by a chance access your machine, wouldn't find any data on it except the OS and usual programs, so couldn't screw something up, be that intentionally or not. And it is all actually very much on topic too, since it can be applied to mail administration as well: separate partition, or even hard disk, for the mail only, or even two or more partitions, for various types of mail - private, business and so on. Then, it is much less risky if you encrypt just individual partition then the entire hard disk. So, this division into partitions, and even the use of dedicated hard disks, is very useful and practical thing and can be applied in many various situations. We of course are forced to learn this and similar things usually not until having undergone some loss of (valuable) data, so that actually a certain pain is our stimulator much rather than a fancy wish to be a geeks. g - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRX9BaAYWnlFQ1cE7AQuOLgQfR/i43ajDdyvFAwlkKiohGePuxaDrr+6R 7fmcXmTo9nOhp4JnWolI6HJ7+ZqeizaSzbsBCXyeVgXmY4Kf03kbRBw2UTphTlVQ WHaiX6FdrWlnY5cVNeu76Ddyt8XZPHUAH/Ta7dyS/R+EdpVTNcMKkwXiQuKeZvU5 cZCRykt7rXBs7yqA =Xliw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Dec 2006, @ @ at 17:56:29 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: This schema with three main partitions (OS | Programs | Data/Documents) is the best/safest way. Many professionals find it as best solution too. Often is done further division of the Data as well (e.g. private, business etc.). Organizing an efficient directory system isn't easy. It's like designing a Thesaurus and lets you know where to find what you're looking for. It can be tricky, yes, like organizing life. If you know what you do and what you want, you have better chances however. Then the size matters also. I keep all My Documents/MOJA AKTA, all sorts of edited files, at one partition (encrypted container), but not my mail since it's too big, so for the mail only I have to have dedicated partition (actually another encrypted container, with TB installed on it) as well. And so on. And sometimes in the course of events it shows as not just ideal way so I have to remodel it anew. ... On TBUDL I think I already have sent instructions on how to install TB in Linux using Wine. I don't have access to the TBUDL archives on this computer. I'd have to look for it on the dutaint website. I yet have to detect this message (too busy day today here[1]) and then will adapt it for Knoppix. ... And the lists were so civilized. The more you are with people the more you know them. And they all look normal until you know them, as the famous tag/cookie says. There was no gang banging then. Definitely not. Again, gangs are accustomed to deal with a victim type, and is big surprise then when they discover that they deal actually with a hunter type. The price of inattentiveness. But I think it will be solved in a productive and socially acceptable way. ... I had 50 mg of encrypted email I couldn't access. A good friend from TBUDL (Conrad, who may still be lurking), helped me remedy that. (While Calypso's just sat there and smirked). This is the real and genuine value of the very purpose of the lists as such. Internet indeed is amazing means for all sorts of good things too. A real miracles may be made this way, and they really are made, every now and then. Just depends on what direction one decides to take. ... From what I've read since I posted that, upgrading to Vista isn't a good idea unless the computer comes with it. I have not much informations of Vista, yet. ... Unfortunately I'll have to scrutinize this OS too, wishing this pleasure or not, as I had with XP(ee), since I have to be in touch with MS products, even if and when I don't use them myself a lot (cooperators, clients and similar). You're a guru, then. I go actually into an OS just as much as I need in my practical work (to protect files and similar). Unfortunately, it sometimes goes a way deeper than I would ever wish. It always takes more time than I would wish to spend for, and I don't like it. But I have to do my homework. DH The main advantage to using windows is the tremendous amount of DH third party software, shareware and freeware available. Indeed. It is still so. Linux is good for some more specialized, and safer, more stable, work, but plenty of that is still in the area of Windows, including indeed fantastic games, for instance, but some other quite useful software too. It's like a poorly designed city - but that's where the people are. Yes, and one has to manage with it, somehow. [1] I had to leave my mother in hospital today due to it seems slighter cerebral hemorrhage this forenoon. She couldn't pronounce/articulate words normally, nor to write, although understanding everything told, and, yes, she doesn't like to take medicaments regularly. And suddenly I encountered today so many people and friends with their parents being in even worse conditions... - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXsxMAYWnlFQ1cE7AQuYQgQfW1H+Pk5kWnV728+cw/dVLetdgzY+h7TN W59PqoFiKKCXFfNoAWA/jFx9QIqNXUIOa7OlllK6VNIPCLhbyXPZo7dKSABPT8rG k1gyEgl6Ay0CWxUbPtPL+F9sU4mF9gUP8yVERUuMkkbPXnqTVVB4gwbV4ilTCuwb 3a7GR1tgNoRon3lE =MwC6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 7 Dec 2006,
@ @ at 18:40:46 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote:
DH B Gates could be the devil.
Well, the impulse to control/rule just everything and yet due to
greediness is a demonic property, yes. Some call them hungry spirits,
Insatiable and born and raised to cheat and lie.
beings of artificial appetite that is impossible to satisfy, so
they are depicted as terribly skinny creatures with huge
balloon-alike stomachs.
Sounds like a ghoul.
Hungry ghost would be somewhat better term, yes, instead of hungry
spirit, although both are used. It is from Sanskrit preta, Japanese
gaki. (One of quite fine imagery is attached in copied message to
TBOT: preta-HungrySpirit-Ghost.jpg, 17.793) The entire picture/scroll
can be found here too:
http://www.arthistory-archaeology.umd.edu/resources/modules/monsters/sld021.htm.
This Tanka Art Galery (of Tibetan origin)
http://www.umma.lsa.umich.edu/Orient/Koelz/Tankas/tankas.html includes
plenty of imageries of various psychological functions/states as well.
...
I think that will work most of the time but it depends on the upgrade.
The logical thing to do would be to check with the TB! Tech support
Staff.
Yes, it works most of the time, but if there are some very special
changes in routines, one has to do a complete {up|down}grade (with
deinstall and new install).
That's why I have my OS's and Applications in different partitions.
(Data too).
This schema with three main partitions (OS | Programs | Data/Documents)
is the best/safest way. Many professionals find it as best solution too.
Often is done further division of the Data as well (e.g. private,
business etc.).
You could try it yourself and see does this speed match your
working habits, temperament (my best experiences so far are with
Knoppix 5.0.1 and the version of Wine coming with it). Except the
speed and some aesthetic quirks, slight twitches and
peculiarities, everything works, and as usual.
Knoppix runs from a CD. I have an older version (3.6) of it.
Knoppix also can be installed quite easily to hard disk as well (the
easiest Linux installation actually, but is not very known, taking about
20 minutes and being 98,7% automatic). Very easy instructions I have
sent recently to a TBOT (to a...member claiming he is not Dick
Whittington and who couldn't manage with it). If you want I can resend
these instructions.
Knoppix 5.5.1 (on CD and on HDD) is even better than 3.x versions
(having better version of Wine as well), but versions 3 also can be
installed on hard disk (the same procedure, you just call the
installation script that does everything needed). The 5.5.1 has three
types of installation: typical Debian one, then for beginners, and one
exactly as it is on CD (with a fine sexy female voice at the opening and
the closing of the system).
On TBUDL I think I already have sent instructions on how to install TB
in Linux using Wine.
TB! users are not main stream people and IMO, RitLab's targeting main
stream windows users at the expense of more resourceful individuals
was a mistake.
Well...appetites for popularity increase and the target group changes,
yes. Hence the needs of aristocracy of e-mailing world are not priority
anymore, as it was once upon a time, since the Fine Product has to be
spread among wide public masses as well (the very reason why the
Ministry of Silly Features and Ministry of Useless Wishes were
established), and hence the droop in quality. I resisted for a while,
and then found myself quite pleased with just watching it from the
gallery separe (and commenting on occasion, with or without petards and
tomatoes).
The TB! lists are an important resource but RitLab's tech support is
pretty good too. I've always gotten responses and a developer is going
to be much more competent than a lot of those insolent fools working
at larger corporations.
I've heard that they indeed are good and quite fair, although never had
need for their help, assistance. TB (expert) lists do indeed excellent
work, and lots of members here are quite helpful and effective. Most of
them are besides quite friendly, of undamaged nerves, literate and
genuinely civilized too, that contributes to the experience, so that I
almost feel as in old good times of TB being a mailer for real
aristocracy.
I used Calypso before discovering TB! and had a nightmarish experience
with it and especially, with their worse-than-nothing Dallas based
tech support staff.
I've heard about lots of such experiences too, with various
manufacturers.
Vista is said to be more stable than previous versions of windows and
RitLabs has announced that a Vista certified version of Tb! will be
released soon.
There you see. Windows become more and more specialized and picky in
order to defend their shaky stability. At the end they will finish as
Mac, in order to make an idiot-proof OS (being
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Dec 2006, @ @ at 17:56:29 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: However - Knoppix 5.5.1 is not there. Sorry for making you busy for nothing and confused, it was my typo, and even twice. I espied it but was too late. So, the 5.0.1 is most recent version, 5.5.1 doesn't exist. I'll respond to the rest of your message later. Instructions on how to install it on HDD, I (re)send in response to Benedict's message. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXoPtAYWnlFQ1cE7AQsRYAQeM0fhSeD43BKPgU0tz3Ulv7RO9AmrEOkz ZzqiLBkHF1kuhkXkUi0Gw3htuw5sN6SU478GIbntMFOPU+AXG3Dc0kgnkYBYftbQ oJp5dhbFTLMUWTspQpbhI8SeDJqw45gh3LxLhDkrSoMm3/oU/oNM7K690S/gFw1r Sa6YN/+64g9T3ABW =lXyJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! - Knoppix on HDD, Wine and pretas, ghouls and other monsters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 8 Dec 2006, @ @ at 23:31:30 +, when Benedict Allen wrote: Howdy Mica, Friday, December 8, 2006, 2:49:10 PM, Mica wrotened: Knoppix runs from a CD. I have an older version (3.6) of it. MM Knoppix also can be installed quite easily to hard disk as well (the MM easiest Linux installation actually, but is not very known, taking about MM 20 minutes and being 98,7% automatic). Very easy instructions I have MM sent recently to a TBOT (to a...member claiming he is not Dick MM Whittington and who couldn't manage with it). If you want I can resend MM these instructions. 2) You should have your Windows imaged (Ghost v8 is quite fine) somewhere. (: 3) You should indeed download XOSL (it's freeware, and I think even open source) and install it, even without other OS (Linux) installed, to see how it works (it can work even with just one OS, and be useful for some things). Install it on C: drive. Strangely there was no 1). But as I recall these were the instructions. * In _this_ message, everything preceding the 2) is 1). You managed not only to mix up messages but the lists too. Why is so, we may just wonder... This is what I wrote, once upon a time, when I thought it's a well spent time (and I should be beaten for it, because I deserve it), on TBOT (but since it's useful for those wanting to try TB in Linux I'll resend this text here on TBUDL). Here it goes... ///--- Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: advice ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006, @ @ at 01:32:29 +0100, when Ben Allen wrote: Howdy Flying Rodent fans, I'm just writing here to get advice really. I have finally decided to take the plunge and experiment with linux. So I was about to start by creating a dual boot partition. Then I realised I had no idea what I was doing... So I came here looking for someone to point me in the right direction. And dont recommend a program that i have to pay for... coz i cant afford to pay for anything at the moment. Darn contract changes Download XOSL (Extended Operative System Loader), so any time you change something with your OSs, in terms of installing a new one, or reinstalling them (from an image or otherwise) you have just to go to DOS and run the XOSL to restore, or install anew, your boot sector(s), in practically seconds. I have several Linuxes and Windows, and am switching between them quite often, also rebuilding them and then re-installing them from images, so the tinkering with the boot processes, the order of OSs etc. is almost a daily routine, and is done very easy with XOSL. When you install Linux, don't install boot loader (Lilo or Grub) on MBR, but on the partition you install the Linux on, for if it goes to MBR it will overtake booting of all OSs you have, which is not very pretty (since they then depend on the particular OS/Linux, and besides you will have yet to tweak each additionally). Save this, anytime you (re)install a Windows anew, it will overtake MBR, screwing up your Linux boot loader. When you install Linux boot loader on the given Linux partition, you have just to run XOSL then and to line up all the systems you have -- with their original individual boot methods/sectors. It is same when you (re)install a Windows. *** If you are new to Linux...before you start with installation, run Partition Magic from Windows and make two Linux partitions: one of say 3 GB (you don't need more, even for biggest Linux) for the Linux package itself and one of say 250 MB for swap, so the installation will find them automatically and thus you will not be thrown into quite unfamiliar Linux' partition program(s) where you can screw up something quite easily, including your Windows installation/files (or even the whole disk). An ultra-easy way of installing Linux is to take _Knoppix_ 5.0.1, the live CD and to install it on HDD. It takes about 20 minutes for very average and perhaps even somewhat outdated machine (as to RAM, CPU) after which you have _completely tweaked/tuned_, and yet excellently, as to precision, security and stability, Linux. If you decide this, then just boot using the live CD, open Konsole (you will see the icon in quick start sector of the task bar) and type in this... sudo ./knoppix-installer ...hit [enter] button, and installation will start. When you are prompted for the type of installation, choose debian/typical/recommended, not beginner, for you'll be given more choices. (Once you became familiar with this one, you may safely kid with other two types/styles -- or simply make 3 Linux partitions at once and install them all, so you can scrutinize differences, it's very educative distro as well.) When you are prompted whether to install Grub (the boot
Re: Updating TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 15:28:33 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: And when I tried a v. 3.85 MSI install, Windows told me it could not do that. B Gates could be the devil. Well, the impulse to control/rule just everything and yet due to greediness is a demonic property, yes. Some call them hungry spirits, beings of artificial appetite that is impossible to satisfy, so they are depicted as terribly skinny creatures with huge balloon-alike stomachs. Manually extracting the files from the MSI archive will most likely not fix it. You'll still have a corrupt entry in the MS installer database that needs fixing. Mr. Mica said that all I had to do is substitute the old thebat.exe file with the new one. I always was doing this way, including the versions 3 (those in MSI packages as well), until I gave them up. I recall that this used to work for most previous TB! uogrades, and there was also an ftp access with zip files on the ritlab site. Yes, those were the exe files only, and mainly compressed with RAR. La MSI emballage made the things just more complicated, limited, and yet tinkering quite unnecessarily with OS. There is nothing worse than a software integrated, in any way, into OS, which is the source then of instability of both the software and OS. Mr. Mica said TB! runs pretty slow on Linux. There were a lot of people on tbot using Xandros but they must have unsubscribed. Only the charming buxom lady Anne, quite experienced Linux user, used TB and Xandros, to my knowledge, but she unsubscribed, yes, longish time ago. She was quite happy with this combination. I myself was using TB under Xandros (and many other Linuxes, Vector, Knoppix, Gentoo, Libranet, Gnoppix, Slackware, Debian...), but basically the performance, in relation to Windows, is same. I used Xandros to try if Cross Office could do it better than Wine (although the core of Cross Office is based exactly on the Wine), but it couldn't. Even the pure Wine is a wee bit better (more clean, lighter on resources and faster). You could try it yourself and see does this speed match your working habits, temperament (my best experiences so far are with Knoppix 5.0.1 and the version of Wine coming with it). Except the speed and some aesthetic quirks, slight twitches and peculiarities, everything works, and as usual. But if you work a bit longer with it, those twitches have tendency to assimilate you, like smallpox. TB under Linux quivers like a pudding. Slightly though and quite delicately, but quivers. I myself don't like it. With software. I like firm and defined forms on that score, so when you click on a button, or inter-face, nothing shakes nor ripples. Anyway, developers of Wine obviously advance. Earlier, TB will simply explode right in your face, if you touch wrong button/area or you make wrong move, which means actually that we probably will not need any portage to Linux, but will manage quite fine via Wine. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXgUKwYWnlFQ1cE7AQthNwQgsOxkjv0aWE+jZm3Frv5tRRlT0KBroCA2 98LtW/sc2Si2GSVpa83QSv6WiPhsSM6stHUQlaWxZ9bmYxjjvy/SykSd98h7zgUc iZJRzE1mftoOZGPlX8zwyPVPLrydI4orDuat4iJ8gwUPb+r/OP38SYyiCxgL6Y6X pVKX8gq88G24DJ5k =yqvt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 06:30:25 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Is another type of file for updating TB! available and if so, where? Previously (I've used TB° since v. 1.35), some updates were able to be realized by replacing the principle .exe file only. If you use Total Commander, you can open .msi files using Commander's plugin (msi.wcx). Then you'll see thebat.exe inside, so you can just drag and drop it where you wish. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQCZAwUBRXbBfAYWnlFQ1cE7AQsgfwQfetioJarBQn6RB2XjKl9szgR/UXIaFU6S E4UqJ/3G1m+lx+H2qhdIyI5jH1xB4733J9Swl4bcUGnZqCP1FDa27e5ftLMXawui 5q8hOO3Yt4H4Gdtq5MiAsQLf3XI30jUmS2e1MRyAfo1TWc1M/N71OzD85fP1pG5t rJerjzLdDPtSd8rX =tHNa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 09:00:52 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: If you use Total Commander, you can open .msi files using Commander's plugin (msi.wcx). I also downloaded Total Commander but when I tried to open the file with it most of the open applications locked into a cycle and I had to do a hard reboot. Have you downloaded the plugin msi.wcx as well and did you install it? It doesn't work out of box. I am downloading the file yet again using Opera 9 but I am having no problems with v3.51.10 and have to do a lot of things today. And Winrar still says the file is corrupt. Give up the Winrar, it can't deal with .msi files. Then you'll see thebat.exe inside, so you can just drag and drop it where you wish. You are saying that I do not have to install TB! over the present version, right? Right. I just replace the 3.51.10 thebat.exe with the new one right? Right. If that's the case, why don't you just send the thebat.exe file for the newest stable version to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Because I would have to download it first (I use version 2.12.00), using modem connection (that works on 3-15 Kb, depending on mood and room air humidity). Which actually is not problem to me to do today, if you are willing to wait. So if you are, just push the do it button. As for the tbot posts I owe you, due to their length and other commitments I am going to have wait a bit before answering. That's quite okay, so you take your time. I got it all to do in one wave only because I am not sure whether I will have time later (due to my other commitments) if I don't response now (it's lots of that and my messages are more as a legacy). Besides those are quite coherent messages (of yours, that is quite a rare occurrence on TBOT, by the way) and thus deserve a fine response. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXbyGgYWnlFQ1cE7AQu8SwQfbotBB6ZwhoAbk926ck/9Q5UsoH51XcjM ss5TXrl15KBwsLVM2DNlJQ7ZfKVnlAki/QserDwGdvQmZUJiEu+RX/tB2FU61O/y VEPFvkANNwCfQgIakbyfzRrR2Gjbj6s2VYbtyeYFVoqXagBcYFbU1q6J4V6AKg4R PXFP4R+jQ4WdzYdx =K8IS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! -- TB with Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 11:06:04 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: Is anyone using TB! with Linux? It is significantly slower in Linux, still, and not quite proportional in some aspects. Here and there it lacks icon or dozen. For off-line use is not bad (better than any other Linux mailer), reviewing mail, composing...waiting for dialog boxes to appear. So basically who can stand this, may use it on-line too. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXcF8gYWnlFQ1cE7AQvB0wQcCrkcvzwWTpgRoZH+2knd3YDOsVWplbze RRA1HbTO5jOcpzqjfvETj2PyglTx/zGEqjSYXsalJ0oAPeYdZ7Q7GsIcW8Y18lAm IIpTnlW+Q9H+TonK+5XbBhYIYcEuJZP+gW02GGIZDa+OEP7AtYs6e3dKT+tM3YS8 E8FKjMfWuGqhZJZf =GRbs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account log size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Nov 2006, @ @ at 11:51:54 -0500, when rich gregory wrote: In v2.12 is there a way to increase the size of the account log? It is only storing about 2 hours worth of activity. Shift+Ctrl+P | Options | Maximum Log File Size. It is measured in kilobytes, so if you're receiving really lots of mail (and spam) then flip it at some...3000 or higher, it will last about one month or more. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRW91JgYWnlFQ1cE7AQtRQQQg0R5KXOu4KhCNXOYEBzSdxm1E/gLvGmFH hN3uYJod5W9MmuGKtIUxYfsg/e4ckOjU9zbpOfsCaPWslsmMQV1ZDTE1nfcFtaDm F9WdmsC1B1Cs27tsscXv+qCsuufTMTk04W/xQuGWbwgCm6znai74FJ3BB4vSIIt8 S+uFvYPm+ZrxHqun =5I0A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP-signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 26 Oct 2006, @ @ at 19:53:51 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: When I receive a PGP/GPG-signed message, there is the icon in the upper right which can be clicked to verify the signature. Most such messages then begin with the following: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- However, I've noticed some have the icon, presumably indicating it's been signed, but there is no begin and end tags, and if I click on the icon on those messages, I get the message there is nothing to verify/import. Is this a bug in TB!, or is there something I can do to display the signature for checking? Shortly said and simplest, Bat still cannot handle properly such type of PGP/GPG signature, and it is already a very long time present and not fixed problem, so I suppose it is something that exceeds the current creative capacities. This however is not a reason for us to get sad, for we can enjoy in other aspects of the united collective efforts, like watching the amusing and of higher priority work of MUFF (Ministry of Useless Funny/Fine Features, Department of Silly Wishes), recently even o'fishelly established, to give a touch of seriousness and glamor to the random play of the remaining handful of sharp although a discrete bit cross eyed gray cells. If I am wrong, I, of course, apologize, what else. Anyway, the safest way to sign a message in Bat is therefore by using the clear signature (when the part -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE is visible). File fine and may the Force of Patience be with you, the Bat Explorer. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRUEF4rSpHvHEUtv8AQjUrAf9HH5tQ82Kp4Tq329aUTWMFBTCsH1cE0f3 YnXfKtqCXGaAjDeY7vL3HKHGRI2ygGo/VNdqIM577gcmNd1gDn+sQUszvweRDavr COM3nwb685kEIdhb1lFR4Q/TGsEF8PzZ/7qS8j+FGtgi/6se3j6CdbgU4lRbRNol O4RlyxclsXTwYnOR2IOFV0Fb4q4JyQQde7ndVOk85GDVB4/sPgayK6zW6UdjLJmC I5Uf4NGSDtjELH4jlEhMo0oWUmkmKEKWGosogB53SpY+5e3fwqLrnrVGA344Samg MafDEO1Jtv1gbB811CvvoGQuTO6oc8Cz1pZdyuW8TE3kXXskVraCTw== =gG0T -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log files and encrypted mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 23 Oct 2006, @ @ at 18:24:29 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: I turned off pop logging. Out of curiosity I opened the file in notepad, and was shocked to see that it included the text, etc., of all of my messages. Needless to say, I immediately deleted the log files for all of my accounts. This is what exists as a standard behavior of this sort of logging, and is nothing...illegal, or an omission in the design. In the quite same fashion, _all_ your messages, that are not encrypted, are entirely and very easily readable to practically, and literally, entire Inter Net / world, in the process of the transport and otherwise. This is the reason why encrypted mail is used, for instance, thus being some sort of envelope, so nobody else can read it save the recipient(s). Besides, fragments, or entire letters, also can be found as the parts of OS's swap file (in XP the Pagefile.sys) and can be read very easily, as an ordinary plain text, just by opening it in some a bit more advanced text editor, when the OS is not active (from an other OS, for instance, installed on another partition, disk, bootable diskette, CD...). Therefore, all the mail by default is treated as written on post cards, being thus open and readable to everyone. The mail you don't want to be exposed this way, you should (keep) encrypt(ed). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTzdl7SpHvHEUtv8AQhNVAf/SpE0cFyT7PSj/GpwqoildQDl2HIzAxVY o5K5SfOkavoqrfk76fsWypjSyaAv5O739mL1BUKRpW4jy9RnGSgOBQcaOg+SwQ1X 6Gs5iuFU6VMA7jTy5mDNC4m5eafuaecuylqhmkj/3CgaJcYHCKBPv/2eCHMJlrT8 1oRbh2bK0f9q+YY0mRAdhNBoaQm9k5kqlLujYQKIN4Kq74mjwuyXcPO+SJ1wErpx e/2vNs8YWnr4unNP6NaWuDFuvBe5+KNspdadMKVDEkVOe9u8WYyxeGVO7VMF5pHu A+r43n2uSXAzL3QxtNS7Zf6QqFrG102xOkZajXNKtx6/kIyNLbJjUg== =gb3U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
***^\ ._)~~
~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 22 Oct 2006,
@ @ at 16:19:31 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:
I've created a new key and tried to add some preferences per the
above, but am now stymied: how do I select which one I want it to use?
I want the default to be SHA256, but no matter what I've tried it
stills uses SHA1. Obviously I'm doing something wrong.
No, you are doing that quite fine. It will just add SHA1, 3DES and ZIP,
Uncompressed by default, no matter what selection you choose otherwise.
This will do no harm, while a _lack_ of some of these features could.
There is just one thing you have to do and this is to set the default
algorithm in your gpg.conf file. You just add this line in there...
digest-algo SHA256
...and it will be used as your default one. TBat will accept this too.
~.~
(There are people who still use MD5 for instance, but for other purposes
than signing/encrypting, like making MD5/SHA1 hashes for/of various
files and so. -- I like to use TIGER192 algorithm for such purposes and
to confuse them. (-: Besides, it is more complex and tricky and is
created by a quite different and modern technology.)
Basically, it is safer to encrypt a TBat backup file(s), and the \Mail
folder (when is not in use, for instance), using some fine algorithm in
GnuPG, than to use TBat's EOTF (so called Encryption On The Fly),
since those are very different technologies and of very different
quality. (In TBat the EOTF is added more for a fancy reasons than to be
of a real and safe use.)
Add to this the fact that corporative, NSA, algorithms (the whole SHA
family, forced in and by PGP, where RIPEMD belongs to as well pretty
much, after the technology used in the process of its conception) are
being constantly attacked by Chineses (and they are really good in it,
having some mystic exotic tricks in mathematics, and in general), so
that is safer to use something else (or a SHA with more bits, for now,
256 and higher) for privacy/civil(ian) purposes.
(Today's, altered, PGP of course will not admit this, it's their job,
and will kick, gasp, wiggle and scratch, it's usual behavior, will deny
and oppose, but the very fact that user today has to give all that
private data -- it's incredible that many really do that -- and just in
order to download _privacy_ protecting software should speak for itself,
no. The smell is quite easy to feel far and wide.)
***
All of that should be given a more careful consideration on the side of
TBat developers as well, when they are going to do something real
quality, solid and reliable as to the some encryption feature built in
into The Flying Mammal / Letuchaya mish / {P|Š}išmiš / Leteći
sis{oje|avac|ar}.
- --
Mica
~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32)
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/rXc49TI3F5SuSdK49mkDlk09khzvw/WEcvdQgHhszbRW/0aZpZ7YY7K8o4etHRz
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=MjMy
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http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 22 Oct 2006, @ @ at 19:55:06 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: I thought about switching to TB! Pro for the EOTF, but decided not to. I thought of it too, some...670 days ago, it seemed pretty alluring, at first sight, but after had examined the thing more closely I had changed my mind. I just installed TrueCrypt, and may move mail files to an encrypted drive there. Of course, that would require starting it up first, but I could probably remember that after a few false starts. Oh, you will. (-: Besides, it's easier, and safer, if you put into an encrypted container both the Mail and TheBat folder (if you are only user of the Bat/machine), since this way if someone unauthorized triggers the shortcut (if s/he finds it in Start Menu), tBat will not start. Easiest way to do so is to simply mount this container/volume and then to install TBat there (and perhaps some other programs you wouldn't want others to tinker with). Thanks again for all of your help. I think I'm getting GnuPG to the point that I can safely uninstall PGP. You're welcome, this is the place for it, and I am besides right now preparing quite similar www tutorials for my correspondents/friends, so they can manage when I am not accessible. When you uninstall PGP, look after PGP*.* files in your OS|System folders, since all the chances are that they will not be deleted during the process. Also check the Registry (HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\PGP) since PGP likes to leave its...PGPberries all around. This should be deleted too. After that, you'll notice that OS runs a bit faster and livelier. *** With PGP you may notice that when you mount your encrypted volumes, their paths will be recorded in index.dat files in Content.IE5 folders. Etc. With True Crypt it will not be the merry case. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTvJ7bSpHvHEUtv8AQgDFQf/UPfB2Iw6sjl+cYZca7dt+DHN6d0OOmrM fhAqtvZdujshApsSGpyMmunDrmPhhM90NgmTF2aLWa5zJTVk4Ux+TT6KU5avdOXP Ao5SA8HFXDXYIjpAmccVB2zY9zkzG9rte4uc8o3hgzbW9k2qYTCc8CiYJHiI+Slm tCw5Ym4ZeEY98mNe4HF8JpoMubJZBxZJCAqjjaiguEjST//CQoBzOnHMT6ing9x+ 4aM7/jf66/Gc2M6Wx5A1u6pjUjo6FjlMKOLpr0Ab8n+5d1wsQisu0jHb6KxXqdlm xsIA7zORZzB5gBE4ZfYSbbP6Q4CMJ6xxHJgsLKpXan0RmE6uAh0syg== =YUEH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: handle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 19 Oct 2006, @ @ at 21:48:44 -0400, when Perry Nelson wrote: Hi Ben, Thursday, October 19, 2006, 8:56:06 PM, you wrote: BA See I knew it would be something stupidly simple I had missed... There are so many features in The Bat!, it's easy to overlook the simple things. I'm glad you were able to resolve your dilemma. BA Thank you You owe me one, the next time I overlook the obvious, which may be tomorrow morning. You guys are so tender and polite. (-: :redroses: - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MingW32) iQEVAwUBRTjQvbSpHvHEUtv8AQhy/ggAmhPZf9FHcP3qDF1janWZ8KGeTNr4ioE+ 3UfnALmq9SYNdPAsTN9C8TE7ShwuQUHBghm6uD2+36pJ1lfOBTdXM+8wU7tl0ofp wYdHq4gtdcsn1FmMLin/98hZ/oPybV4rzh/EQ3D0iHwDOvWuJxEY4NuwGbUHREAp U/rJyRqKsnaX7AKiH16dxGaImpAWVkg/H0jL037pcUjs/6Fgg921/mkqADrFWOvz ltsoQBHXgqBTeNkzsUL6NeUJ5hz+Mw7jfaDf75z/uoy7VtPm3pluaRDBhKfdZN3g FPcdiLJy9n6tiwhj/7SRDH4zMLcRtzaDnM87+cXFJdrudjwbwFU/jA== =Jnpy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 15 Oct 2006, @ @ at 07:14:35 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: Mica, Saturday, October 14, 2006, 11:25:54 PM, you wrote: MM If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well MM (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the MM combo with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly MM installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry. It appears to be working. I've played with it some more since my earlier post, and it now decrypts and verifies signatures just fine. (Or at least those of the person with whom I've been testing it.) When I try to sign or encrypt, it gives the pass phrase dialog box, but then I get an error message saying there is no default secret key. I've repeatedly checked the preferences to make sure the paths are correct, but still can't get over this hurdle. This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once again, and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The DSA subkey can sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which has a different subkey id, can encrypt. (The default id is the DSA key number.) Neither of them have the authenticate box checked. Is this my problem? And if so, how do I overcome it? Should I just generate a new keypair and use different settings? Richard, whatever might be the case, and your DSA key certainly is not the reason, you should anyway make a new -- but an RSA -- key, of at least some honest 3072 bits, since DSA keys are not safe as they were once (upon a time) and hence should be gradually withdrawn from (active) cryptographic life. On how to make easily and quickly such a key (using GnuPG) you have instructions here, if you need them: http://blueness.port5.com/gpg/, 2. How to make a key in GnuPG using command line. Since these instructions are based on mainly default values, if you want to enable the Authenticate function, just toggle the A value, when these values are offered. * As for the inconsistent work of the crypto band the members of are here TBat, WinPT and GnuPG, I suspect that WinPT is the one that is causing it. Its author also himself hints (on the other list) that it is the possible reason, due to certain incompleteness of this software. Try GPGShell instead and I think you'll not have such problems anymore. * As for The Bat, in this, crypto, regard, it also is not quite complete, despite its very good (one of the best) integration with GnuPG, and although it makes no problem in this particular case you describe it should be corrected at least as for the list of keys it offers, the list that is filtered after the addresses of particular account and thus very annoyingly limited. _All_ the user's keys being on his key-ring(s) should appear and be at disposal on such a list, regardless whether the addresses in key IDs correspond to the actual account we work at the moment or not, or whether these IDs have some email address at all or not. The ways user uses his/her crypto software must not be limited in any way, particularly not by a third applications, like mailers are and similar (since they have absolutely nothing with the ways crypto strategies are applied and _must not_ interfere and tinker with it) and the said conception is long since outdated, very limited and rigid, being thus not very merrily functional. To the correction like this should be given highest priority, after the level of its essential importance of course, not after popularity some wish is rated, that is after the number of members who vote some less or more idio...matic (and often quite redundant) feature for. This is the reason why I myself do not take part in any whish list creation, since such conception (based on the numbers and not on the essential sense) makes no any functional and serious sense and is thus pretty much useless and resource wasting. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (MSYS/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTOQmrSpHvHEUtv8AQiqRAf/RruYXW8+UwvkdchTaTSwbAr5wQ3JeAQH j8BnvOD603+8jygL2U1yiathSv0llQTLo7pyDKiD1aOrqPzpTzjSJC0RyrFCyUQ7 uTJVdl1KVcQSN+wQ23iD3fN91IjHf5lGrDicgTUHk4dgttVBD/6XC38MAyOV4Eje FO0UQlWJCw4K4jaegwlDKHXWQowjV31fpcs7KvtadkkV5tqRn9KHECbLxPCM3QR2 RPPwFez602Owkx8HbzrW1h3ZyMOW7gWHTop0/3oo8WnWHgXfZc6smk7vMju5E86a 7oW9bGLpwBSB09+zpf7TZd7EOjgfl2PTj0IwrWxmxk09Icm2CnZbEQ==
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 16 Oct 2006, @ @ at 19:47:56 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: With WinPT, I have the option of creating an RSA key up to 4096; with PGP I can create an RSA key only up to 2048, while a DH/DSS key can go to 4096. Which is the better option for PGP? (Eventually I will phase out of using PGP, but need to have GnuGP working reliably first.) It is safer/best to create new keys using GnuPG. (PGP will manage then with 3072 bits RSA keys quite fine, and even with bigger ones.) Besides, GnuPG as such is reliable always (which is not case with other crypto software, including the modern PGP). In combinations with other programs it may vary (as you experience yourself). Best combination (so far) is GnuPG + GPGShell (and of mailers + The Bat). Also, how do I change the hash algorithm? With PGP v8.1 I have several algorithm options, but they all seem to result in a hash SHA1. SHA1 is also unsafe algorithm. In GnuPG you add/remove hashes and the rest by updating the key preferences. It is done by typing in on the command line (in Windows the DOS Prompt -- Start | Run | cmd | [OK])... gpg --edit-key (and here you type in ID of the key you want to edit) ...then you type in... setpref (and here you choose wanted hashes -- see the table below) ...and then when you are finished, you type in this... save ...hit [enter] button and your key preferences are updated. * The list of abbreviations for algorithms is here... ## # Cipher-Algos:# Digest-Algos:# Compress-Algos: # ## # # # Z0 Uncompressed # # S1 IDEA # H1 MD5 # Z1 ZIP # # S2 3DES # H2 SHA1 # Z2 ZLIB # # S3 CAST5# H3 RIPEMD160# Z3 BZIP2# # S4 BLOWFISH # # # # # # # # # H6 TIGER192 # # # S7 AES # # # # S8 AES192 # H8 SHA256 # # # S9 AES256 # H9 SHA384 # # # S10 TWOFISH # H10 SHA512 # # # # H11 SHA224 # # ## ...so you can choose what you prefer (you may choose them all and what is not applicable will be simply omitted), and write it in the form... setpref S10 S9 S8 (and so on) H11 H10 (etc) Z3 Z2 (etc) ...just bear in mind that for H6, the TIGER192 algorithm, you will need specially modified version of GnuPG with more features, and if you really need it for any reasons you may download such one here http://tronogi.tripod.com/gpgcvsdl.html. It also is able to create keys up to 16,384 bits and has some other handy additions. These GPG versions are like any other ones, just having more features, so it works well with The Flying Suc...Mammal too. You install it by simply copying its files over already installed ones. I'm still having some problems with TB!'s integration. For example, I seem to be able to decrypt okay - most of the time - but tonight it still tells me there is no secret key when I try to sign/encrypt using its privacy menu options. WinPT, on the other hand, was working tonight, although now I'm having troubles again. (It keeps defaulting to another open message to sign, and after closing that one it now tells me there it could not extract text from the window.) Again, maybe if I use just one of them I'll be okay. Integrated decryption works with no problem in TBat, using GnuPG. Tricky is with encryption however, since this part of the Bat's being is a bit dull, a bit stubborn and a bit seemingly retarded a longer time already in this regard, so I manage other way for mail encryption (using Clipboard feature in GPGShell, most of the time). Thanks for all of the advice and assistance. As the Sir McAntony Dubbya of/von Boom would say, You Was Welcomes. (-: More specific and expert answers you'll most probably get on the other, PGP, more specialized, list, as for GnuPG alone, while the matters of Bat's and GnuPG's integration have better chance to be solved here. I guess. Even only in theory. (: - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine
Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006, @ @ at 21:30:39 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: I have been trying to make The Bat! and GnuPG work together. I installed the latest version along with WinPT, and once in awhile it would work, but usually not. I am now having problems with PGP as well. In both cases, when I try to sign or encrypt using the tray app I get error messages that state the TB! email window contains no text or is not the last input focus. Does anyone have any idea what is going on?? If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the combo with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry. If you have installed it using gpg4win installer, then it has done all this work for you automatically in the setup process. If WinPT, as a part of this installation, doesn't work properly, then probably is problem with it itself. Try to use GPGShell instead (touching not your present installation; just install GPGShell, and it will automatically find and recognize GnuPG and its parameters). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTErsLSpHvHEUtv8AQjbowf+JBypKAozs5mg9cOzrAP9Lx752i7Ju8jf XTmDfIn6x/Tj10L5Ko1WxJgcNgUXs9NRPSK+mWT2PTCIFy+AFAwsQ8p3WNp0bkKv I1kDkSNNTrAgJ1XC+xmrNvlwGDkri8uGS3o5uUSEq3nKKNgP5Z0FgI47SX14XVGT 8b6tu0+EE/yLyaYEz6PcWlpnC2Eg2AD4JWBpKldFaAhhRdeupywvLOF0PcRnLRGK PJvx/eg3lPHPPfoIE+b1cKVaPT1xBy0e/gsMf9zCrdtmNd3HvJhFQWv0TOYdTnih XcOMK8aidejy7dB1gsoFR8WsOLQjl9ziVzoMeAx+DqRaNASU9UJttg== =Ho+c -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006, @ @ at 00:01:36 +0200, when Arjan de Groot wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:53:46 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. That is one interpretation. :-) Another fine example of an RFC that doesn't create clarity, because it leaves too much room for interpretation. That's RFCs for you... ;-) The rest? Pretty washy in my opinion. Its always *may* and *ought to* - not *must*. Yes of course. But these RFCs have nevertheless led to some kind of generally accepted consensus on e-mail formatting. And that's what counts in the end. Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. It's pretty good and legitimate determination, since stupidity is a poor ability to understand and profit from experience, while its antonym, intelligence, denotes ability to recognize connections between things and their essential relations, in experiencing them, and particularly if those experiences are something new. Besides, RCFs are just and only and exclusively _recommendations_, not any form of a strict rules, or laws or anything similar. They are actually a sets of recommended/chosen _habits_, and in no way any sort of standards. Hence those who do not understand the very nature, definition and purpose of RFCs cannot profit from experiencing them as such through the act of reading. Many indeed quite often mix up RFCs with standards (the things that define quality, not a habits) and similar strict types of rules, and it not so rarely happens even to software developers, their sponsors, corporative customers etc. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTA6/rSpHvHEUtv8AQgsmggApYzr1VNjk7jWv8dqUjs/06JpKdK01QY/ LTUdtFPP3cAV925t20QZqnmo3KYhCBJYiztEi6seeYv+BMjSgbGMC69HpuTMfrow gvkMBLQGFgCtBfL7GWyc18dTpkErsoel/zs+vvCoxQABPZQ9y5naFtEhPpnoG7UL TxnIKS0NPT/NcC7eQImTw0alCoWXQVKKdpmLuAlrXfLSem8qc/jM3XgBmkG/p0tx 8911zMbbOjLsN9mcaRP/ewl3g36aJ2dpB3116iivnA8AJeY9VPS923haJNY1MVSS BEWvhdGOK+OkCauB4idhfWjLRWfR1YiEd/VvEUf+++kstumpVWlCcQ== =lwzb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 11 Oct 2006, @ @ at 21:18:28 -0400, when David Calvarese wrote: That didn't seem to work either. Then it is something else, not the template. Well, I'm open to suggestions what to look for then. Try to check the very basic steps: where do you paste the templates, how etc. Remember that those regexps (at least those I have sent) consist of just one line, and that they have to be very precisely copied and pasted (into the room for Reply template, in Folder's Preferences). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRS6mnLSpHvHEUtv8AQgYJwf9GAwlyzJ6Tbb/6uEm9WX1z5OKEAH8oSs2 hdz5MlDKXmQ2/YBk9NhhZMlTwVcftOkBi/nqn16YDvX0nuSWBtjwzh7mVGJV5scO mdO7t5U4WHIAWvRnSMn/gtAQbLFWghzmtfvm0b460MHpr/9nN/l2CICzsjRsoBcb dfRdy0gX7JjwESArCQMVRu06jHKy1vXUqgHq36BHRyNYjdArEcOzzDENuYF0aeqI xD+9hgOUIDZwbyMtV/XBrrHneSDuIkme6UGoF6iSA+vRSCxBdzJIocFok3nLRJDv 4jlHWm5Blk4WI7p3MWlEBT+03F9TB8cgoQgaLED4XuWqaBcs1f6PXQ== =4qo8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: TIGER192
***^\ ._)~~
~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 11 Oct 2006,
@ @ at 09:13:47 -0400, when David Calvarese wrote:
I have a bit of a problem I'm using the reply macro from the regex macro
collection that is supposed to remote all the Yahoo groups information
when I reply to a message, but it's leaving all that stuff in the
message. Can anyone help me with a better macro to clean out all the
ads, PGP signatures, ect. from messages I'm replying too?
Try this one (those are just two longish lines)...
%SETPATTREGEXP=(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%HEADERSWas%SUBPATT=2,
at %SUBPATT=3%SUBPATT=4, when %TONAME wrote:
%quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(\n*-BEGIN PGP
%-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%--
-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3%-%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3
- --
Mica
~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32)
iQEVAwUBRS0tbLSpHvHEUtv8AQYoKgf/T7325Cz9Zf86EhypqIC9Hgnxbv1R7xJU
nzrZIXFsaUcYUzmSYQgJAJYf3LeJPH4uSFoW+RcZSsBjaGBdHzVN/3lQ3cEtnDrK
d6l3k/0W5UO02pu0UG5zD0MGhTAU8L0buZBch85x3Zvp5bsoqY3raEwCQC7EWxCh
lrcchUvts2OuV/HGGZUgiiFdJ2oy/moyALkJWKSsRpIjtcvlNbUaljNv1bKeIg7v
l5uvq9BIXEbmshaA4+yxgr1ysbJWmkScgFqGB/QNatNfXyCTUtVscrWw6pLayzVI
bxTrST9zRfVo/Ai9xfsWdItcv+olYdIuir6WWFHMnFevQAiEel/kdw==
=fPfi
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 11 Oct 2006, @ @ at 14:11:54 -0400, when David Calvarese wrote: That didn't seem to work either. Then it is something else, not the template. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRS1BjLSpHvHEUtv8AQixXgf9HcfVknjaEGPCQ9YnkJfVBG64eh4gqRVg r+fc5NGtFUE0q3TTWU7Qj1pZQGccYNt1yZ/EMxI3JWsKhSlciJiU2lpNx/Ip7Xcx zS6KwFwbuCOFvXuIIswyiW9t0IB998jZhhcFrSvoWCNs62pXytxqsaokEslkO9so GGBF98y2lfR43wO5ZSiotHJbI2Aec5GC3bw5xgfbG6rEmPR1spyPXixQTVE0Skp0 8y1m66F9cExIL8paR7PVY0DiJuFOo071Epgm9385ZhV3C9l9AnJclMFO2SFrK6Eu 7l11GheqjT6jHnraKJhQQ73/74WjRPvDYUPAZ+Qyxp5aLAhqKhhF1w== =6XYs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re; Running The Bat! on Mac OSX
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 9 Oct 2006, @ @ at 16:02:21 +0200, when Urban wrote: Monday, October 9, 2006, Granville Cousins wrote: I have a Mac G4 Powerbook running OSX. Is it possible to run The Bat! on this machine with the help of some emulation software. What about Wine? http://darwine.opendarwin.org/ Wine is fine, and is better and better. I just had tried out the other day the version coming in Knoppix 5.0.1 (I have installed it on hard disk for some other reasons) and TB runs much better then with previous Wine version(s). Installation consists of copying Bat's folder (and its Mail sub-folder at the default place, otherwise will hardly work) in the /.wine/fake_windows directorium (or in /.wine/fake_windows/Program Files, if someone prefers), and then just typing in anywhere wine thebat.exe. (The /fake_windows folder is the equivalent to the Windows' C:\, the root folder of the drive C, for those who are puzzled what we talk about.) All other methods of installation are more complicated and less successful. And yes, prior to that, you have to export Bat's .reg file, and then to import it via Wine into the fake Registry (wine regedit.exe), that is if you want your settings and the rest (p)reserved. And prior to that, yes, you have to run winetools, to make this fake windows environment firstly (Start (the button) | Emulators | Winetools). (-: It will take few seconds more. *** Knoppix is very easy to install on HD and takes about 20 minutes. You just type in... sudo ./knoppix-installer ...and it makes the whole system on HDD, entirely tweaked like on the live CD, which means excellently. Bestially stable and precise system (also very good looking), one of the best done Linuxes around (despite the author's, Her Knopper's, disclaimer that it is still in very experimental, therefore not of the cell division, menstrual, lunar and so, phase). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRSroBrSpHvHEUtv8AQjA2Af/emg0Pc5IGIfyAyG7UKt6HqR4XJ0dK0V5 DlBOcgTjpy7VDqT6nIQEzDwPz5C/qrfDWqoMhSL7BgUR3t1Brw3iuzt3HF73Gp9Q sWATAqHHNwTd9FRgRpVwp+4tnlo/8OL3cKVRBq6VO7PJDcQCaQEjXqpGr7BoDBEi voN5/MoYEdzoGYx9RM12jmYEFGqmgvUbQeuB2ddoZ1IfxzAcqTq+Pgzf7Ql4iCZZ sjvh3R5EeJnku/3j1QblGBRWaHwj7urS1XoHOeqUSYfy76uwuveM7gtMMOG2z442 utzYshwDlSrvz8lrpoYmohufbbN2TeJ4HU0J0lEZJB4DzfO2TprMkg== =u8mp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: TIGER192 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 25 Sep 2006, @ @ at 05:29:36 -0700, when Mary Jensen wrote: I have another program (Vice Versa Pro) which regularly backups up all my data (including the Bat!) every night to alternating storage locations. But I've had some problems in the past getting Bat! to recognize all the folders and see all the messages when I simply copy back without using the restore function. Simply copying back will not work if we do not understand entire mechanism (or the parts involved), of how the both (various) backup programs and TBat work. For instance, in the file Account.flx (dwelling in an account folder) are names and the order of all the folders of the given account. So, if we simply copy (just) some folder back, with related message database (the file Messages.tbb), and this folder is not (for any reasons) listed in the Account.flx, then TBat will not be able to recognize it. And so on. Also, I use the backup/restore function as a crude means of synchronizing with my laptop as the synchronization feature does not work in Abascusbat. Well, might be that sometimes is better to stick to TBat's internal backup/restore machine, than to get into something new/else, even if this is more effective and safer. It's quite okay and it mostly works quite fine, and stresslessly. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRRguLbSpHvHEUtv8AQZgxAf/eCypRiaoThPyWu/BsdZTis5FKJAlBbdb na8bPx9OoLq6prGLFEZG2Fgb0wpxj9wmw7wcIu1eHjKPgijsOymI+GRv8RESeomU vbw4dBYkh6mjgo9AS4jpehmb2y72yTeaFBicmtz8H8rTWiFQlm8/RdTqaO0X8bFB aeL7g/Szk23xHEnYNLhZgPP5SlezoRc0rDm6eaCeoeQGEa6mJmiz9Qyk2fZABsm1 3Di5jr27P4XFjyZDQR8/z0Jn9en8jK1fvoWVj/di/qxVOCeHwRtCJ6Ti2TvnCG4w IgpQRUNnh49nLdL+jGUGnvfsBdMsd0vdNZwJjmkkzeoIJynupP+kOw== =DKDO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup cannot write
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: TIGER192 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 24 Sep 2006, @ @ at 10:08:12 -0700, when Mary Jensen wrote: Any idea other than checking the maintenance log (I already did that) on how to figure out which of my 700+ folders is the problem or how to fix the problem? How to fix the problem is what I choose, this time. Do it (the backup) using some other, separate, program. It is simplest, fastest and safest way (particularly if we deal with lots of folders; I have near to 400 of them). You can simply compress/archive the whole your \Mail folder (using WinZip or any other archiving program - PowerArchiver 2001 is free for instance and very good, writing and reading numerous archive formats), or you can use a standalone backup program as My Own Backup v2.1 is, also freeware. They all will write always, no matter what happens with TBat, internally, and will always be able to expand back the backup they make. Besides, there are even more good reasons why to do that this way, but basically they all could be reduced to the one: TB is a mailer, but is not a backup machine, or encrypting software and so on. The more side functions is built-in in a software with the basic designated function, the more chances are that they will get in collision, or confused one by another. This way of backing up using standalone backup programs is even more significant if we deal with lots of mail and besides a such one we consider as valuable (be that some work and some official documentation, or something else). * And, for the end, let me quote the famous and unfathomable Hammer Von Troll: It's not that sad when backup cannot write as it is when backup cannot read. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRRcYP7SpHvHEUtv8AQaCCgf/UeojrvXtzsONApFIJdL5CNFr00gDwwEF Gze6VZOTu/6420tbFly6oRcxdM8/ACg0j8cBgys7WmlSDg1H/dZSf2J20Z2zBTvE aPKZ6BvQSrJ2tILJMBI2EZ+SZAKwVFgxhwF8R9TS8iWOHP5NLFXMVBgHDAuVvSg5 6tDYSDrG71b2z+iLrnXdfF77kyltoqbBcJGYVd4+ZExWG3f2Xy7AelSDlMUq8F6P Mf9JSPJeOnHUvvuGJzYDXjrghXdQdymSTBcDf+HXA052b+mL9L4CHNWuinB9xiuM aopd9XrabHxAxjBfzJ9JwkBItuBUvmVlRYmCrvscumP0fO5MFGyXdw== =UQKP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to uninstal The Bat 1.x?
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 23 Sep 2006,
@ @ at 14:40:31 +0200, when Mary Cassidy wrote:
I recently had to get a new hard drive, and I'm now having problems with it,
because Windows 2000 won't shut down properly.
The guy who installed the hard drive said something must have gone wrong
with one of the programs I installed after he delivered it, and to try
uninstalling and reinstalling them.
I've done a virus scan with AVG in safe mode, but it didn't find anything.
I've uninstalled most of the programs, but I can't work out how to uninstal
The Bat.
I have version 1.60h, and according to the Help file, I should uninstall it
from the Add/Remove programs part of the Windows Control Panel, but it isn't
there.
When I reinstalled it, I didn't go through Add/Remove programs - I just
double-clicked on thebat.exe .
Can anyone suggest how I should uninstal it? I could just delete the folder,
but I assume that'll leave stuff in the Registry.
It will, yes. Open Registry (start|run|regedit) and go to the folder...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\rit\
...and delete entire \rit folder.
*
If you want though to {pre|con}serve your settings, then before the
deletion save/export the related registry file (select the \rit folder,
then Registry | Export Registry File...).
*
If you want to install TB again at the same place/position/path (eg.
C:\Program Files\The Bat!), then just compress/copy entire \The Bat!
folder and export its registry file.
Then the new installation would consist of just extracting/copying \The
Bat! folder to the previous place, and then of running the registry
file.
- --
Mica
~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine
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Re: unencrypted voyager base?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 15 Sep 2006, @ @ at 23:06:39 -0700 (PDT), when SGP wrote: You can set and remove reg entries, before and after use of TB. Like with GnuPG, if you remember. Unfortunately, injecting registry entries isn't always possible. In some of the places I work at the registry is write protected, i.e., .reg files don't work, so only portable programs that truly don't rely on the registry can work. It is true indeed, so would be much better if for such things would be simply used an .ini file instead, dwelling in the program folder. The connection with Registry complicates things without real need. (Moving settings to INI file would be a masterstroke.) * Then, there is another solution even for that, but...it is a wee bit more than unusual. Namely to put TBat on a bootable small Linux CD (where TB is installed via Wine) with supported a RAM drive (of some 64 MB or even more if needed), and all the work could be done without touching HDDs, and even in a machine with no any hard drive[s]. All the work (send/receive) would be done via the RAM disk, then the mail folders burnt to a CD-RW (or copied to floppy), and that would be it. It might sound somewhat complicated, but is feasible. Just depends on how far someone would want to go (in this what I would call a relative madness). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQv1Z7SpHvHEUtv8AQhFKwf+KhUxYEgKS4W3Ht3lMZf3TQPr/Gn4eBp6 YEd03kqol40+z2Pp1YiBB1oDNMMcYdoz7MKLN3DyBYGrOP4famV77Pu8pwulBnSn gwe5krHQwYzbwn9g+/wv5LR3GrhCFKfA4CfjftjVDrhFNvVcaXZp86F3EcAwrfoc XEW5LANwM5zltrypnLExa0LwBdPF+szPTgT9l9wgO/YiL6GSiyPPvgRdbKQOMDH1 LC/6Y4MsijXrLTw/NT5Ay05wFPPqlqnVcyfrk8qpA+0UjqvzZtiEasDIq7/nhxb5 JjZiu+vJENvmbiikUrEIBcAqj/KIE2MsJwe4bakC3HbFXjQCCNoj8A== =VWGn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maintenance - getting rid of deleted messages fromvariousfolders ... they seem to be stuck, for lack of a better word
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 15 Sep 2006,
@ @ at 17:34:46 -0400, when subscriber2list wrote:
Aaaah Mica, my fine friend with whom I have not bantered with in years
In years already? It's deterrent sometimes how quickly time passes.
I am for years on this list?!
See, Mica ... you can teach An Old Dog New Tricks! I tried your
suggestion with another stubborn folder of sorts and it ... worked!
Thanks for the inspiration.
You're welcome. Everything that passes through Inbox on its way to other
folders, anyway _remains_ in Inbox, until it's compressed.
With Outbox and Trash folder is similar.
All of that is easily overlooked until man (but woman too) experiences a
strange problem in TB's work and then gets into learning why is so.
Please keep up your fine ruminations as I enjoy reading your ...
advice and sometimes ... utterances. LOL! You sure you're not a
stand-up comic somewhere on that side of the pond?
You believe me or not, I just bring to the end the consequences of what
I hear/read around. No single thought of that is my own.
This is the way for me to amuse myself, for the computing stuff is
exceptionally boring, at least to me, with all this tweaking and reading
the fine manuals, and Mañuelas.
On the other hand, the things has to be done, and hence the tweaking
is unavoidable, so if you have to pass through all this hassle, then is
better to smile, even hysterically. I recon.
(When someone makes some unnecessary complicated, or better said
disarranged software, with which I have to work, the first sweet impulse
of mine is to bite into his/her neck to check if s/he is diabetic or
not.)
Apart from that, I have inborn very strong sat{y|i}ric traits, so that
many feel much better if I am simply just angry with them than when I
start to tease them.
I don't think I would earn a cent being comic, but again I really am
convinced that I could destroy someone just by teasing him/her. I was
watching my victims, had seen them after, and I know what I am talking
about. So, maybe as an atypical hit man. (=8
Why on the earth someone would have been be asked always anew at startup
is some application default one or not? If someone needs it to be
default or not, s/he will simply set this piece of software this way,
somewhere in its settings.
- --
Mica
~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine
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Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 16 Sep 2006, @ @ at 22:18:16 +0100, when MFPA wrote: On Sunday 10 September 2006 at 8:55:49 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Susanne wrote: Do I have to go back to NAV? Entirely up to you. Never used NAV but heard plenty bad stories about it. Could not get on with AVG but my sister loves it. Nod32 came highly recommended, requires no plugin, works well for me (although its scanning slows the system noticeably). And while I am still in the mood to give some help around... AntiVir doesn't need any plug-in too (so you don't have to bother yourself with it, and related problems), for it will check all and everything dealing in any way with the machine (http, ftp, mail, `ordinary' files and so off). It is free (like in `free beer') for personal use. It is (now) faster than NOD32, and slows nothing down. If a `bad' mail is trying to enter, AntiVir will block this particular message (no entire message base will be blocked) and will ask you what to do with it. When it is solved it will allow further download of the mail. Internet update is very fast. You just have to download new whole version every 5 or six months, since this is the period of time the (free) licence is valid. The file is about 12 MB. It is very easy for handling, easier than AVG and many other AV programs. Once you set it up, you forget it. Silent and dangerous. Very good for beginners, but for much more experienced ones too. The home page is... I can't recall and there anyway is nothing special on it. Full name of the program is Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic. Direct link for download is: http://dl7.avgate.net/down/windows/antivir_workstation_win7_en_h.exe It has a nice red umbrella, that can be open and closed, squatting on the system's tray. (I'd prefer a dark yellow, but whatever...) Happy anti virusing. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQx7SrSpHvHEUtv8AQjMLwgAnyfcYEmfe8v+JXzInbyoDBySWQoZLpej 5n+wyr3/THztTKe3UxfDk1ISQgFCdj+VgmUfgvIiE4jpCZfkbnPMTzU9KJJUZchR MOli23WGjhM9JtK9g7uKEf92mqMXWy9yQqFvpPoUL5vhyiNlGs/sksQCKr9ZnyHf KblxHou2XdSc6z+tUCVBPI0hyVNdy6D3CiqdVn4xUh50OzUw0CcqhKM2aa5PJVaO pDdyH+FaX6ESbCxmbD9LZvVaNpE86uk9mHKcgLwUARuAFcXV4JSjhbcWM4vxAqJ7 qoV0bw1qJ8liwi57/opsqZnkdxo7aN1pAD/4LgVr/FqUXJhrmibCDg== =ML9h -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Maintenance - getting rid of deleted messages from variousfolders ... they seem to be stuck, for lack of a better word
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 14 Sep 2006, @ @ at 13:57:37 -0400, when subscriber2list wrote: I wish to get rid of them as obviously they occupy quite a bit of space. Try to do this other way: go to Inbox and do Alt+F and then C. - -- Mica GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQmoYbSpHvHEUtv8AQg97Qf+NKIOnkH85fzEGreYKElcM6aG4Yv7zv4k 6Tech2g28HnPHfNkuzjN2tKHLqK6Zv5TrrQihxZohBbSRSXRoscE+fzmKz6M0cYj O025M4GreQC+VCgPAjN1zfFfg+6A5PKEaHfq0w5SZ+V+gqzCyqnXcoOk5Dx0lQXw SSlYAIUHbOGrU6kKMynxxOAqo/HeZ09Wt1w2jFq53xPNXSKGPU8naOupu9XWUFcq thOcnxZlw8PYXAjP+O1yZpPysvrPN+TnFT7h5gHb3/G2oG/PdCwFeXznL0GXyQ3+ URE4h8m7fFC5z1hV+TOENhWltJwduTokZCRCTOF0MT2gMzcDL9VoIA== =lOML -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: unencrypted voyager base?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 15 Sep 2006, @ @ at 18:08:05 +0200, when Peter Meyns wrote: S If Voyager can't be run unencrypted, can TB be run portable? The latter is probably more difficult, as The Bat! stores a lot of settings in the registry. But then, as we see with Voyager, this isn't impossible. For now I think, the easier way for RIT would be to allow to install Voyager without encryption. You can set and remove reg entries, before and after use of TB. Like with GnuPG, if you remember. Thus in the Registry will not be left any trail, if that is the concern. Then, you don't have to install (again) TB on a portable media. It's enough if you copy the folder with already installed TB to it. Then, before running TB, you just run the saved TB reg entry (the .reg) file, to inject its settings into Registry, and after you are finished, you run another reg file, to delete the injected settings/entry. The only thing you would have to do is to modify slightly this reg entry, so that it directs to the drive letter of the USB stick or any other removable media. So the point is that TB can run portable, and even very much portable. The Very Much method consists of compression of executables (counting in dll files as well), so it occupies less space. This compression is possible with UPX program, for instance. If you compress some older versions, 1.4 or so, then you can run TB even from a floppy diskette. (In this case, the modified reg entry would point to A:\ drive.) - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQrX0bSpHvHEUtv8AQiFiAf+MMzE3NMWlVapirBVR7n5YkSVXTdPEFh5 81ohP185so6eBPuwxFT0Z5eGh9jlFnRRN2KH22iMuhkCVd2A2XT4MjpSBtWcKe6I 7/nOuToqbsWdXnkDCb/VL2I+VYEA7gESVnxaaU3utWPmvBFPXg5i+VOnuHY6JLbT 2+4jNI5kNKlAOC+DNuGSVinFv4Aiy0J83raF4E6l6H7WGo4fxLB5LHCK87s+mxbf EwTZt+QRhQnxCBx4mEvAF1EPgWnz23/qaAdXD8cItaz5NUcgdOoClXS3auWzm5Cj HFWAz9Dv4k51mJ3SVLG9c7DmlQGg89LMZbgl8Mdsn9Mo45wxkHEY+g== =O40a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with TB and IE /Firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 11 Sep 2006, @ @ at 07:29:39 -0700, when Code 2 wrote: MM Go to Options | Preferences | Applications, check all (4) boxes MM except the Check that The Bat! is..., push, or give a flip to, MM both buttons above and then [OK]. Why do you suggest having the Check that The Bat! is the default mail client at startup box unchecked? Dear Code 2, I am glad you espied this indicative and delicate detail. I do suggest, in this particular message, having the Check that The Bat! is the default mail client at startup box unchecked due to my estimation of Susanne's estimation and ability to make a quality choice, with regards to mailer in this case. I assumed therefore that Susanne's default mailer is already TBat, and hence that she wouldn't like to be bothered by an Am I your favorite mailer? Am I! Am I! Kiss me! Hug me! just any time she starts her default mailer. There is, again, a theoretical chance that my estimation is incorrect indeed, but I doubt. I made wrong estimation some 35 years ago, then again some 20 years ago and then again yesteryear at the beginning of spring (cleaning). So, basically, I am a man who makes very few bad estimations, and besides not so often. - -- Mica GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQWsL7SpHvHEUtv8AQhAGggAqjkZNNWK6oipJD2rIx1ZzJ21Ersj1BPs RgIgHse9H4du245p4pFLbbWF1TRgmbQgYxs9AgmlUVMUUwR96VZHFEPM9pbQ3XL0 mhQJWrGJKNyBBq32TRGrZTlZGE9F6YGOQ4f3lVPpJR+XpPa1CxWALajY6+HoL9/0 kZTedFkzBHlANOSv2U65CFUJBNc406C90DWw3LgylZ8SVCQWN4DNZS3Dslz0AxkE QMwsPssIoyPDjQg3TfHrcVy0J8snw4hVq5L3jnLmVxfdBAe3xSyofqYS1PWQtRKq VvMV+zos0JKnTaHIna9fW5gy0thyAseDXdKVjHzJsdwtjT1Hq6wIoQ== =2OQL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems with TB and IE /Firefox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 9 Sep 2006, @ @ at 17:53:51 -0700, when Susanne wrote: Hi, after installing WindowsXP SP2, IE tells me that TB is not properly installed and consequently I can't use TB when clicking on any email links in IE. It's the same in Firefox. I'm running TB version 2.12.00. Go to Options | Preferences | Applications, check all (4) boxes except the Check that The Bat! is..., push, or give a flip to, both buttons above and then [OK]. It will proclaim TBat emperor of all mail matters in your Windows XP(ee), and both IExploder and Fire Fox will have to obey it, not to mention other small fry. - -- Mica GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQNvjrSpHvHEUtv8AQjPrAgAgrvvoZUubq24kgWcIhtxbsEkpOro/djZ lUWlGXS6Si2MZp4Zuurw3G3nnMzV93ef7jHYsLxf10J49PM1I5uDsJodmKB8HaHl RT6iMi26pHc/XTc30+7oMKoCdYdRmPbVVvQyw1XAIokBTuEryA7U9X7u1DYpHN9c kJ/FcshNhse2JYlqFy7wLMlvIyjyrfeMvZof5xcupWnnYJsEpM3vs77F2sjLg08Z xopWUSwDkwg32enTj4o54Yli/f25qHNsJXWv2wcIjDJ9FndluSyXhnFRj2tLvyHM AGNAcB6GsO0NCfhfSaXMp7/4GlDyrrH8JGqp6+VqyMaEfltg2OBfsA== =lAwl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder specific view modes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Aug 2006, @ @ at 09:35:20 -0400, when rich gregory wrote: rg In ver 2.12 is there a way to set this or that folder to use a rg different view mode than the rest of the folders? I see in the rg folder properties general tab an unavailable option to Edit view rg mode. Why is this unavailable? PB While you wait for more competent replies, you set each folder to PB no view mode. Think this stops you settings from being overwritten PB by any standard setting. Ah! The view mode options do not alter the real MODE of the view, only the columnar options. I was hoping that folder specific view modes would allow me to say folderA is HTML views and folderB is plain text view mode. Might be, or might not be again, that it can be solved somehow by some macro/regex/[q]uick ( [d]irty) [t]emplate self-triggered within The Wanted View Mode which would trigger the command otherwise triggered (remember the Trigger from Only Fools And Horses?) manually (pardon my expression) when the Ctrl+Alt+Tab is used to switch to the HTML/plain text view. It sounds a bit complicated (convoluted?) but what is TBat for and why we all love it despite its random self-triggering between its Mr Jackill and Mr(Ms?) Beta nature? (: A beautiful fresh rain here folks. Enjoy my enjoyment. I hope you are all well, to a reasonable and deserved extent, and that you are able to (p)reserve some quality time for pork and to cogitate, or ruminate, or simply mull and chew over origin and intention of universe, for without it the water never would...have been wet, which is most fascinating and above all significant, since a dry universe is a sadness that grinds and whines. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBROnWArSpHvHEUtv8AQgiNQf+O6f6o/ezHrqv6s3a9qd5EdFm9eDetaB7 ukDPKcRNWfeUEECSsNHxzI8nwoYoPWwhSwBPcBypG+02J8yCenOeHjeeMuiykHgB 3asQa+RNNVjoCw0RbZFXPbu2rxayv6gaUj6Z/L0vwMuEUJWK8PRbP39/6Hzb5884 zIfpgva89QRgha5nGbRQjnPtDM+jtuOf7cd1v9EUVYPT8+Xoe4P7e74a1wola8B6 SyesIY9+RIjs3tSL7MaUn5s8SdDf55MJ9oQ6GklY7RwbbvwwTpTNGGu3T87KLcJp gy0/DWMSymdVUowtAkNxGjWV/zywDt7FFZgTX+TxvrBdCpiY/LmbUA== =iYuh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder specific view modes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 19 Aug 2006, @ @ at 22:18:20 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello rich, On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:10:52 -0400 GMT (18/08/2006, 23:10 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: rg I was hoping that folder specific view modes would allow me to say rg folderA is HTML views and folderB is plain text view mode. No, I don't think that's possible. But it's a good item for the wish list! Sure. Like the one for the Draft folder. (-: I am for establishment of Ministry of Useless Funny/Fine Features (MUFF). I just don't know whom to appoint the minister... g - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBROd/8rSpHvHEUtv8AQgyJAf/UR23+5XPhZFREEzN4q2n+1BKDBFXXZDu DaSJPr1Mrl7DOneLsKvSn2seR/6z56Dy602ka9rEP+bsx+IQiGJAcn6w+ChkD9jp bFTTVnXzYCcxV0TuSvxKoO22kbw2gyEtlpOG41QVxEdTQ9fXSusYpU0yLC4LOzQe QveEb7ENUcMsr1xIqvUQ52he8wJBLTBww33isf7bUas7wNUktFTle+NnvknYhxc+ /xjkCjXCMQ0WslZOLMIPDLrkAT78N4jDfTu7V5aA3KK35QzAQ6N02llVgXsQq3d9 ZFJdVKmHH3n5DyfE+dKGws7VROC0tfQGK5ooKQzzk3xboRdruGWc8w== =LH4j -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder specific view modes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 17 Aug 2006, @ @ at 16:35:04 -0400, when rich gregory wrote: In ver 2.12 is there a way to set this or that folder to use a different view mode than the rest of the folders? There is, verily, and the consort/escort/bulldog of a such missive is a bliss of 6.569 karats. I see in the folder properties general tab an unavailable option to Edit view mode. Why is this unavailable? Nobody knows that, for this world is full of magic and in a good part charmed. Try this though to dispel the spell... Right-click on the particular/loved/concrete(or rubber) folder, then Folder View Mode, and then choose what you have at disposal in the dro(o)p down menu. If you have there only the Generic View Mode then go to Options | Preferences | New, and make some new View Mode according to your wish, name it, say, Fancy View Mode 01 and click [OK]. Then right-click on the particular/loved/concrete(or rubber) folder again, then Folder View Mode, and then choose Fancy View Mode 01. If even that doesn't work, then we would have to find six virgin gals (one of 15, then 16, 17, 18, 19 and one of 32 years and six and a half months, and of which one has to be crosseyed too), one wing of a bat, sixteen drops of urine of one-eyed grizzly and to try something else one night of a full moon. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBROUY3rSpHvHEUtv8AQjPfwf/X3f1yDfBFFtUCuFM0ua/mPaRKrgQzwYG 3n9jWy2LPYMLRD2DSo9bFSu1qFW5os2n8AXjBE3DVRlrLZyL2U0Mrd4BFU7eXceq fCnDMgL0vOvJH/UJYmT6n6WLt1ZSopAeVTlPugOhnin+cjlxaFtJtEB4bRaNFXue cT/JvH3uyraf8//D9t3C10kKy510G59MTo6T8C6tsmBSSYoA0UacEiG1tbGUCagZ SdykkKZ91vXLhp4nDB4+0wCtOcQvyedoQzBVHp35dZ7vTFsM4AzrRtQL5M+tJo/o H2qwiw0/I2HTaOd+cwLEEy7pQlszsm9ZS5/nabstXeWUIeZdhCvMMw== =E6H3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spyware/trojan targets TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 9 Aug 2006, @ @ at 18:39:43 +0200, when Jernej Simončič wrote: So, you have to execute the trojan somehow. Given that brain.exe (or alternatively, a fully updated virus scanner) is in use, I find these trojans a neglectible risk. Hey, have you seen that program that shows dancing pigs? I attached it so you just need to click it to see them, too! | | | The file convolution.dll | | needed to run brain.exe not found. | | Shall I fake this one too? | | | | [YES] [NO] [MAYBE] | | | - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRNo0XLSpHvHEUtv8AQiZlwf9HztnBMTLboAF+EUubNM2BaFl2vWs+FQx D6Qu6Ftjodj6IsOmS5wHjCRjqw06AsXkZ5Dh2ErCkvHYkkownWBBK4K87WARIw6F 9uH3yuronoCe7VcsMLphL/SuOSnoZkLiHQrjl3Sguph4Y/S0V8S/80cCbXzucDbL xzMuQGkOU20bimQbkoBXtTFtGj3xC/fb/FbqIzirdbZSiFUK5qltfDy/00AwnjVC lxL+V0vByKDZeTDSL4Ra7uyif6+A+pmY7DPDFpB6SfhOKzmV0rbE0pI7qqZCmTso KmbHJ/OYqaIszf4MWKcLrSFyy7zHC+12JRbgpTjK7TSSecbhs/qTUg== =y7Sy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ping Tone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 9 Aug 2006, @ @ at 11:47:53 -0700, when Tim Hamm wrote: When clicking on the drop down arrow on the Receive New Mail radial button and clicking on Send Check for All, The Bat is giving me a ping tone, but when I click on my two profiles separately to get mail, I do not get this ping tone. Is this normal? Will be that something unhooked within its insides (or the button is not in mood to be touched). Try F11 instead. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRNo4KbSpHvHEUtv8AQgJbggAgbrEy71qZjjeOjges3I5psNBfHlD5aP7 jZIRhyDw6E1/+G28kwt224Yenyvznq/7X76jG0S6NZCG8ipGu86qk2dh8bkUWree QFmNSqf9eLJgO4qhrQujM0hxZGsy/yoe1JvdpifI+5e31T84+8jF4qkLX/5DFkWR 7tW98OTvWOLhGM6nLo/76AelarmqMxhnSwT9LxrF+CAHYpi3DmdojSVLKimEGxmD cWEOv4pNQ8vYB9y/r0i/93BYe/8sGaeYiKuEZ/DmMgIqQd7jBtzwO0y9gh5LHG9P 7qoaM5k/5oKFQDabXUbdPHEM8cEo2DBm5ihPd0AvxbKj2FKm4yU/yQ== =Qc7V -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All's well that ends well
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 10 Aug 2006, @ @ at 01:09:42 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Perry, On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:48:29 -0400 GMT (10/08/2006, 00:48 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: PN Thanks for straightening me out. It was my understanding that you PN couldn't restore a backup from an encrypted version to an unencrypted PN version. I think I'll give that a try. You can. I think that's a security issue, because if you make regular backups from within TB, these can be restored in plain text, even though the original message base was OTFE-encrypted. But then, I'm not a friend of OTFE. Nobody should be. Encryption (and decryption too, and even more) is a decently sensitive activity and should be entrusted to dedicated standalone, strong and independent applications. As a brain child/brat, that is a conception, it is simpatico (I myself was warmed to this for a shorter time at the beginning), but using something like that integrated into a program which is constantly in an OTF fixing and with running unfinished components with besides so active beta releases and OTF live testings, is not very mind cuddling idea. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRNo9BrSpHvHEUtv8AQhzbggAgvqtc1lw3H8lFFmW72//6wopojGpZrLD jNOamuanUp44WsMYUgckzpSbQIvAwybUPevPKeTS3jyP725dA9UsmpIxLGHnUoyW hPldtUNTAWBD+a5iGm8a/VlcB/X3KaToBs/4WUG0SeJswY9OaJUkZe1Jte/kB4bn b/nbXTuBKhrTxpvaEsiUocw8kX2QFHRIrC9S/afjYKOrw2iFLsw5y6P1Qrzjo417 VO2RbwqQ7tZbpS0GlDRBuSWL7ylrQbUjj/YD1pkCNMQcZWGBPyWxaw3L8P0+gk5p 65ZBgBddk4rDPUo2xKSUIExlzV8PQPEiiuGzpBf4bfsWkdM3bN1PCA== =PHgI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sanctioned bayes plugins (redux)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 8 Aug 2006, @ @ at 15:17:57 -0400, when rich gregory wrote: MP | Upgrade info: http://antispamsniper.com/upgrade.html MP `-8--- MP After trying it out for ± a month I have paid for the commercial version. Actually, I didn't miss it.. I was just quoting from the RitLabs web site... I am in fact trying this product now myself but am always looking for greener grass. This Gregory has best excuses. After, and after, Mark Partous. (-: The legendary Czechosloveniac. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRNj3N7SpHvHEUtv8AQiF9gf/RiAyCN6TNmLtcYxQaRqQbugreRtpMw0s ctOGPY2UK2Y/SsNmZOPI/brYyZcOwlsxKj1rFLadoigYBHU9/VZUCTqpyKzPsVt5 6X/axHLwoCDt5PGghZZCWG0FP7urVS6AkMREbWqsh6VEdySx5AAHS3s9oge7xgm3 wkPWMyyVzCZ5NiHbs6aqVapeBLiosuT1pnVFZwtESoTiYpwo6jxbhp1L6t8hEyv/ jCJz1u6T0R1QZDA+DVDj65PgdVnh6AkStprAlzHEcVl37odSDtnmL75E8MN3HhV0 t35Ded2CD2jSRY0OD9ywz+wy7tfw2AdrRVaarsfY4J2XixbWnmQ3aQ== =ckg5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 12 Jul 2006, @ @ at 18:23:55 -0400, when Laurie wrote: H Yep. I haven't run into this, but I'm quite new to TB. Why does this happen? Due to spectacular malfunction in the process of deductive reasoning. An excellent material for anthropologists of 21st century. *** Besides, and apart from this, Laurie, since you are new to TB, if you don't like the smell of a (not very fresh) trout, then you shouldn't top-post when you reply to a message (only bottom-posting is acceptable after the rules of the list), and you should have so called cut-mark, at the end of your message. The cut-mark consists of two dashes and one empty (letter) space, at the beginning of the line, after which you hit the enter button: -- . *** (It would be also very good if someone would include eventually these two basic informations/rules in the famous Mission Statement, together with needed explanations what they serve for and how to apply them, so the new people could have a chance to avoid trouting for nothing. I suppose that such things have higher priority than those about The Roguemoticon Project and on how thus to enter The Bat Cartoon Network. Actually, is there something like that in a message every member gets after just had been subscribed to the list? I vaguely remember that time...does such a message still exist in these modern times?) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn-4169 o tiger192 (MSYS/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRLWRYrSpHvHEUtv8AQMt6wgAsKUZj6QmuYR4Za9bAfalg2MlPR9Gqdwm 5YCEX7qpPi/F4cbhttm+37lv4glZe74XvqgBsb0RPBO79/OrC7Go+ufrOZKbpCNt IKQa1QjdNsC6BDAdNQaTv+kUIIeAZeSSl/c/BUB/YZoAzuFuWbpfqijCopMmr98K bGWKxXYvMcsw3wUFPVzTVxR1XeDZn44JMtKYs6wAerEI7OyWixV8OnaGNYDGcL+Y 1+r4SU0A41y3ShmR3zJA233LaRJZMJf9as2/224mTGYMIl80aF6nDCTtYA9V/o4I s3L5DKIaU2r0DNHZsMIP/QlTnhaFAY1oPchOfu/Pf3/PrjZHjqzBeg== =/o0S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tips on startup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 2 Jul 2006, @ @ at 21:56:08 -0400, when rich gregory wrote: My v2.12 has stopped showing me the Tips on startup. This was immediately after moving the message databases to a networked drive. I cannot find in the Preferences anywhere to re-enable the tips. Anyone? Help | Tip of The Day | Display The Tip Of The Day at startup (The file with the tips is in the folder where you keep thebat.exe and is named Thebat.tip.) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn-4169 o tiger192 (MSYS/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRKkLLrSpHvHEUtv8AQi4FwgAjSPm/2OE8+ZVf/ZZj27Gk2OvSXYuk+6P BRZyJ0WklCZx/687s10FxqK06l8Pns0qt4CwjoduX/fIP6DUJgERWIBF+6+g72SX QxFitJX6jkGxgtcgvt/JJAwML8Cs5QpZFMnMxET6mBLJUwdEPpsQssLeWEq+4iG5 YmJjz9KHiYa+lIji8NqnOcqQ76vVy+Asn4zkP41deOl37MnncD4zPBOYbLCvrr4g hwFDRHRj8KWIHJBAVtWemtpR+42gdpTYwAhzHNQ9avKmlewgC2Vx4aC8JE9BDps7 s2U0hbkCjgjvtBgJeDeUYoP+pTMCIqiL8Nw/vfwGt1by7bEAvnQ7jQ== =31sG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tips on startup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 3 Jul 2006, @ @ at 19:13:27 -0400, when rich gregory wrote: MM (The file with the tips is in the folder where you keep thebat.exe MM and is named Thebat.tip.) Yea, years of using TB! but still like to see those tips I need less often and can never remember. I have edited the TIPs file to remove the ones I do not need to be reminded of but I have also added several tips not in the original file. Several of my custom tips are of the 'daily affirmation type... One says I Love You. Others may tell me what a great body I have or how handsome I am. Some just insult me. (HEY! I am NOT fat!) :) Hahaha...! I just had had had in mind to tell you at that time that you can edit (add/remove) the tips yourself as well. (-: I have a custom CLI (MSDOS Prompt) telling me Yes dear... (If you want something like that too, then edit c:\Autoexec.bat, add this line... set prompt=Yes dear...$_$p$g ...and put instead of the Yes dear... whatever you want.) Computing may be killingly boring and dry so a real (wo)man in self-defense must take things in his/her hands and to do something... sappier. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn-4169 o tiger192 (MSYS/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRKmqPrSpHvHEUtv8AQhBrAf6AumUY/es70OEK/XZGbEtVw4GBg4txU89 NumEUDCyW5t2wzibR7NiojRCKWyxKBWlMDzw3d9SeCBJ7VlzZcUTUDIMnWKZlIaa KnNH0aNeTOQsVlrzC5DcmIfKloYRTjmyezkTN9EjxHpqbzQcOgt08GVdskB1DiIF SLLQdGZQf/yoI8FDL+UK1DWXtr8c6MbFvHm+kq4lsOag+m8kid7jp0lE8hrKnrNI AXnTnqQIfrXlI8Vr03WEKMg2yc9qDyh6DHcuULmpzrIwzio8tTLJi8/HzuWmT7ot iegCe3al9npBp1KfoFce0hPX7oxBB6o5EsccniXPIni+1hZv8CD6nA== =Khrl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is The Bat spying on me?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 28 Jun 2006, @ @ at 21:59:59 -0400, when Joe wrote: J The details on the culprit (found in the Registry) read: J HKU\S-1-5-21-3126995848-1559877500-2177672217-1005-SOFTWARE\RIT\THEBAT!\ Perfect. The registry key TB uses for its own private GUID. Why on earth should Trend take any notice? The only spying going on here is by Trend. Having and using a registry key for configuration and setup data is certainly no indication of malware. Yes, some malware uses the registry. So does a lot of other (probably most) software. Some joker has told trend that this registry key is an indication of malware infection. Tosh. I'll contact Trend tomorrow and see what they have to say. Actually you should rather consult some third party source(s) then, since the both Trend and TheBat are by definition biased. This way you could get much less mere emotional reactions instead of clear and precise reasonable definition what a particular reg. key exactly does and serves for. Until then I only could confirm that the branch/path HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! is indeed used for storing configuration data, and that just any application (bad or good one) can make/remove just any registry key anywhere. Whether TB is phoning home should be easiest to determine by a firewall, for instance, and/or any other gadget monitoring activity of programs. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 666 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn-4169 o tiger192 (MSYS/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRKOvIrSpHvHEUtv8AQiU0wf/ZL+4RMqg6tz4gEqt5hUIJejwnlGNElHo 5jTJDU33EWq2rJy7thWV0xbNB2D8fcYanTX2gogFoY+Xx8ix7p6HXf8GWewMx4yP 0SPzUlMoqocuSXeSGhS2JU9RmjkvDzFD80O58t3mEZuWZqiPP93SHr/j2lQNlPQL U7C+8/JstbiKymZaEUylH6LBFfw3PSYBPijERHgKhrlQmXOW1a8b+NTmUF8SqRfW ukN7eIiPYZntqhc3JOW8z3uMzWhXd88o5KxG2d/N5tIOAUw1BCzvBvsqeLxKSTLr DgBo5FvkoBqoCYNI6ggPmgxBvpc2mV9ZVRtq3ZevxlsQf6dQWKvTkg== =83/Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exit warning dialog confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 27 Apr 2006, @ @ at 08:13:54 -0500, when Curtis wrote: I've always looked at the exit warning dialog with some bemused confusion. It says: Some tasks are now active. Do you want to exit when they are finished? The choices are: Yes - I expect it to exit when tasks are finished. The correct expectation; according to the written, of course.[1] No - Hmmm . No, I wish not to exit? Or No, I wish to exit, but I wish not to wait for tasks to complete? You don't want to exit when tasks are finished. (The thing finishes the tasks, and remains open.) Abort - Abort what??? Abort the tasks and exit? Or abort the shutdown? As nothing happened, that is as you hadn't this message box ever evoked. As you were pregnant and then you decided not to be anymore.[2] Wouldn't these choices be clearer? Yes - I expect it to exit when tasks are finished. Yep. No (Exit Now) Check it again. (: Cancel - that sort of has a universal meaning. Get rid of the dialog and let's get on with it. Yep. The term Abort in the context is...doesn't matter, Cancel is better, much better. IMO, 'Abort' and 'No' are confusing, or is my brain wired in a funky way, as it well may be. If you perceive it as it well may be, than it is still a good sign. (-: _ [1] Although it happens never, in practice (or it does happen, but on Saint Never, in the Stubs Valley, when willow bears grapes, et sim.), so TB has to be shut down / killed / knocked out / (ex)terminated via a Task Manager or similar. [2] Though these tasks TB is talking about couldn't be finished even for the critical 3 months, if you would decide to let them be finished. At least it never happened so far, to anyone, a male or female. As I know. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 603 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRFD1MLSpHvHEUtv8AQgKvggAoQMjtYsW7GX2yGHvlwEk2CbZb+R2rCl4 jonBql016kBSYp3SWCKC7BN925YpTeQ57U2wseEw6MxdWPrItRA3s6EuDVDVDkuM uZNTdQyi3K+rpqJk1ji3s6YOg9uM/gKo4ahezZEv2haI0iA6Z6glPosqgPkVyIah 6MKrMoLtD+aHPA8D/Kqrq95KWZwtQ37M/wIFp6InNRNJ4g1FyBr3UP26u5m43nrG jEMp5ihXbx/G4+HvGdFSRTkU4DX46/IWfgH/6l/Njk+T+Cptg+C8QNuWYRGeE3ZG K82D1FHu9g6XAcmCZ+/xep8fSzpIoah3Bo/31MXFSpjPU+oK3P0WDA== =v/Sx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exit warning dialog confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 27 Apr 2006, @ @ at 11:56:26 -0500, when Curtis wrote: although what makes things more troublesome with the dialog is that the No and Abort buttons never seem to do anything, as you refer to in [1] and [2]. So I've never been really able to confirm what they actually are supposed to do and as a result, relieve my confusion. Correct. This is the reason why this dialog box should consist of just this message instead... |--| | | | Me, The Bat!, got stuck. | | | | Please kill me.| | | |OK | | | |--| ...where the button OK is evoking Task Manager (or is killing the process directly in some other way). The only alternative is to fix this thing, eventually, since it happens for years already, and if I recall well, it has something with the way TB manages some external things (plugins, IMAP server[s]...) and seemingly gets stuck being in a way loopingly busy with them. (I use just one, and very light|ly, plugin (MyMacros), serving me just to tease the version 3, by all chances endlessly, in my Earth Log, and from that time on this dialog box calling for abortion my eyes had no the pleasure to see.) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 603 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRFENiLSpHvHEUtv8AQiSnAf9EEzaxQ5QwPzc+ocokz4H2saItzUukCmk Ts/R2MrXydzNkZR+LHLqeeU7UnUSBkSq6wA2zdq3GCxSdjZ3/1ZqJNok9tC4Fhlb ZHam0BKscBMVqK20BLr5+Wah0xXJnh9viLW/4JbhINsrbygihdk6QBZZMIDzBiAP G+ty3TqEkP3TeWPdBJgS6/qZ0x7QaTMqRRRFM1qPAYM4Uodh1jx1eKU1D9Hb2Sce Uva/2meX5I/uXcOt0xjVQ1++5hYvo3DikwkmxVAESupuKLgomsnSq6t4C/O7hgkw gL3mjz5x3BODM8NBcpUdscQOgaeOcaoFDwhTIrnYV6uF/JgnhJmC/A== =R5lD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 26 Mar 2006, @ @ at 11:57:10 +0200, when Stephane Bouvard [ML] wrote: Is someone unable to read this mail because their reader cannot wrap itself ? All the letters are present, although the punctuation marks (: and ? for instance) illiterately used, as to orthographic rules, which decompose consistency of the shape of sentence and thus of the paragraph(s), along with the lines spreading across the whole screen, makes them quite hard for reading, let us put aside the aesthetic moment which is, objectively, emphatically ugly. I've used emails for really long time, Usually enough to understand the reasons of existence of some, quite elementary and simple, rules and standards. Including orthography. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 571 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCajwbSpHvHEUtv8AQOAcQgAnb7LINfJnl8jphGjOHOgKmjbCgZwT6Uf BPcNYMg6bhFkE70zEr2oaS6VRhXfjm8ffjrdM9NsTWmgIy7Mq4q83Pb/kCdu8GNp VeEHpF73RypEzoz7Cs1oWu42qRcV7acIJBbqOVSFMGWDLKO0BE+Tcab1K5cKvnJ2 39f4pOcDggnIrBmB67+pUKOMM9APiajTvX2ig6ERA3f5gE5jbpFx943zs2LlV3/D UgCdLLt7zUvdMvvPygty0CjopRPI+km/DOSzQx04y0+BUnFI9bO5aXxNZ6BJ4ueh z/VoGr06v1OCBq+JrMLL3C2j1BF6MBZyVtU6PXkkvUsTeha3pjcoNQ== =JQjy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 25 Mar 2006,
@ @ at 10:50:33 +0100, when Stephane Bouvard [ML] wrote:
Much better - the text is nicely wrapped now.
That's only a matter of taste, for me, your text is wrapped too small,
your message only use 1/4 of the width of my screen, leaving 75% of
unused white space (in fact gray, i do not like white background to
read emails, especialy when 75% of the width is unused and filled by
the background :))...
It's very easy to overcome this agoraphobic feeling simply by filling up
the unused space with something else, or using a large, or extra large,
fonts.
It also might be a matter of just a taste, yes, exactly this. I, for
instance, prefer very few pieces of furniture in rooms, for I love to
feel the space, and to use it myself. Aside that I love, sometimes, to
ride my roller-skates. And so...if I'd had all this space loaded from
wall to wall, I could only rip my shirt and possibly the rest if any up
and scream. For me it would be an experience of an ultimate
distastefulness, and this would be my usual, aesthetic and kinesthetic,
reaction.
It's something i never understood : why the width of the display
should be defined by the writer of a mail and not by the recipient ?
the writer cannot know wich screen the recipient would use, resulting
most of the time in a wrongly defined wrap width...
If Shakespeare would hang around live, he would, I recon, give you a
better answer. I, though, can offer just this one: The writer _never_
knows what kind of a mind his work will encounter and enter.[1] If he
would know this in advance he would only rip his shirt and possibly the
rest if any up and scream.
That's why people have invented margins.
When a mail is not hardwrapped, as the reader, if i want to read the
mail with 76 columns, i just ask it to my mail reader program, but if
i want to use a bigger or a smaller width i still can... when the mail
is hard wrapped i cannot, the writer choosed for me the width i *must*
use.
Yes. He does so because the matter of formatting is not always just a
matter of taste, be it good or bad.
Much more : try to read a hardwrapped mail (76 columns) on a 70
columns screen, it's a real pain (yes : i read sometimes my emails on
a pda, with less than 76 columns width).
Pain is sometimes good, for it's teaching us what we need to learn, if
we otherwise are {not prone|prune} to. (-;
[1] Monsieur Comte Donatien Alphonse Francois de Sade explains it
excellently somewhere in Quills.
- --
Mica
PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 570 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes,
Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine...
~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~
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Re: Reply-To problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 25 Mar 2006, @ @ at 08:55:33 -0500, when Robert D. wrote: I wish to have the reply-to field blank. If that's not possible, I want it set, in a specific folder for an email list, to be the email list address.-¸ | No matter what I've tried, in the specific| list's folder, the reply to, upon checking again, has reverted to t|he From information. | And the reason I wish this would be that t|here is a certain list I am on that sends List replies to me rather th|an the mentioned list. They can't fix that problem so I am trying to d|o the make-shift repairs on my end. | | A line like... --° %REPLYTO=Robert D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...placed in your folder's reply template should fix it. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 570 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCVbk7SpHvHEUtv8AQMVrwf/YQkiP8k6/Y9i4wUX0/XdNSWhGTEOWe4/ FENm3cDV7P90EscNsVYZlUwVY/5QQAwLNNUhDYfqRjU51Gf7jiBDvioarQzau/wj Cktnd6PD3/osCDE4zIQQ2KiCoGUKKAb4gYm5DU8K6g8ovXW42DoLtnnLSJcT+Pky fPgHWLHD+M86OK4TkIR4+1wTWhuUMb0+OJQ2rXgl72ih1kIZmcc7eEUr8AzI45Lo mO2x4kxkiIx7uXjIpNytyboLUCTxdNrIAoLaTVxV0VQiLC1mXpBhBX9MDGdy5o6O WASiZ7g2YsYx48dLaY6bhKLY5T8P/xfrxtAZIwBoHKf6ma7U5kkcFQ== =Bjb9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 24 Mar 2006, @ @ at 09:43:35 +0100, when Luca wrote: An old question of mine, never answered clearly: is it true that it's theoretically impossible to program an editor that - to a user's *eyes and fingers* - has all the MicroEd features plus the ability to consider a *single* carriage return as a paragraph separator? I think it would be possible only if a such editor could work in two modes, and that such, less or more, editors already exist, but not for Windows. There is an old one for DOS, can't recall its name but could find out if you are interested, and more than one for Linux. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 569 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCPbErSpHvHEUtv8AQPVVwgArqNgfM3ZUYGYmdLn+MWJ5EeGfMPOIN+Z d82e0RePM+vmygzfVfDrgCscJZzX2lxU/9iW41QT9paeHt+HgX5q2aHoqWUQaLOI TN+eOU5dupdgo7gkOXHKWQXHnoaVMNldapL3zCBCEm2lEIeth8y9QkDbv2WJezgn 4VCwXNSAK+T010yIljprVbt3FIbPhRWwe1zmwWRUqVBEOgMforrbERsO8S0NjpQb +tiVOIvjH1z3mebCg4v/egv28hpvmLBiJIZytbqYMFB4z2Atw6Gyg9904HLRyRD2 bc+t2UMwJYSFKoE/pFopevOpplhavfH4GquICLrNzSSp7zQ+0NSPDQ== =4hOA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 23 Mar 2006, @ @ at 21:56:52 +, when Paul Meathrel wrote: As for the Windows' editor in TB, yes, it's just a joke. A delusional son of a someone's night mare offering a mule design for a daily productivity. Delusional or not, it is in TB and IIRC is the default editor. Your mouth is opening and words of truth are coming out. I feel a trifle it's a part of TB's identity crisis in a nervous and indecisive ambivalent wanting to be an Outlook Depress. The carrot is I recon a feverish pressure for popularity, which always was a certain way for ruining what is otherwise irresistibly authentic and powerful, including identity and, of course, the life itself. It brings unrest in heart and dulness in the mind. Sometimes certain spots on clothes too... I've a number of significant difference in how the two work in relation to the spell-checker, which was what started me on trying out MicroEd in the first place. It's always good when we have a choice. Having just the son of a said night mare on disposal would be a real misery. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 569 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCP527SpHvHEUtv8AQPLCQgAgwhyGl7tO+xemV0cWhk/gGIFmx6H5Nj+ QTtFKx3tg2NHo5s9IXzyH1VqMSbGg9fLX/TwdcJB4i9D+FNdPMd6iQGeFzZ3G0+t 7iS1+nQgyQZlF6n1UU2o1Dl/OGFktFe1nJA6tGwlaYDs+Y//UHqEPJGOEixf2wvd 2T8FhkDdix/7Dww3SyCNow3TSiK5CjdERKDycDzqxvLprNqxwt3ieiFUodK4mv5C QGY31XVLdPD2wlCNh7D664fPj9NsAVyNgqY1HddebrhE7OFbrcBIDmy/3ZEfmBDz 1FNs8sqjDoAC0u8NlUanhixxSsWEzfX8D+rdlC6SgWO8PNNDuo0pgw== =DMBi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Mar 2006, @ @ at 18:02:30 +, when Paul Meathrel wrote: Someone suggested that I use MicroEd as my mail editor rather than the Plain text (Windows) editor that I use currently. My main objection to this is that it only appears to use fixed-width fonts which I don't want to get used to unless I have to. So here's the question, what are the benefits of MicroEd as compared with the Plain text editor? It has much more options for text formatting. The best way to become familiar with the differences is to use them both for a while. I was using Windows' one for a minute or two. It's not that I was lazy or shallow, but because options I had to learn about. It's like a kid toy with acceleration and breaks. No anything else. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 567 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCGgjLSpHvHEUtv8AQNIrAf/ZVbQ2hHOhH+NBOOOHnQJteWQ1M+WoCoG Ep27Lh/wHyCfzKvPEOBim6vmcvxFY+SCfQ6tJ1supu+xMmZmaIKQVDmk2dbKgD6g kck/sYJ/DK9mpWbDghnm7JwPWOJbHqrKw07FTaIyYvD7JQaAYDsvNBSYoVMwR7Cb NfcSp597DvEW0hls5A8m9+eYAZ0SiekXxs2QXSqGIPzIStoRc5ddv/hq/u8acEsc /sXGjk5ee0bJZ9i5/8HWYHrMzqpPMSv44YnAIqxVV+5GxB8/a/Ts4igfuk5K/EEE AjjLvGU5mMIfgmacbcV2zj/DoNhe1EibP5P1b49TUFCerEs0F1u46g== =KFKB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Mar 2006, @ @ at 20:00:40 +0100, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] explained advantages of TB's wsygfdjjkfd MicroEd(itor): This is a dream come true that can never come true in web design, for example. No matter if you adhere to all standards or not, not everyone will see your webpage in exactly the way you want them to see it. It's possible if is used pre/preformatted text with avoidance of glam(e)orousness. Simple, elegant shapes/colors/elements do not leave much room for different interpretations.[1] Fixed width tables (with no visible borders) filled by a text of strictly defined fonts (by the type and size) would give same results. And so on, there are various tricks. As for the Windows' editor in TB, yes, it's just a joke. A delusional son of a someone's night mare offering a mule design for a daily productivity. [1] It's like if you would interpret very expert content using ordinary colloquial words. It's quite possible and quite efficient. The rendering web machines, coming from different technologies, are like people coming from various cultures: they will communicate successfully only what they have in common. This what is common is then a standard, for a such communication. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 567 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCGxrrSpHvHEUtv8AQPE1Af+I+zZB7wYVY0p5Vfm7dOUQ2zPlHa6S/3n hOBXZiCNEaHxeFdGsgeMUY81YUQOX4mVwIL2KhQ/uzOth7U54LMx211atvVsSjfJ fKnMrQyhw04f95FVyNLIer7qqNerbiO66a9lKatIV8aeFVJytrjOWEz72Ty/5c/h dvUJNXrtSZZwYKoc+Nk6SSLzdr/AbXDl/j9tAJtcHGqT5ClYjki9A8+Lw20K6cCu tDwgVe8LKtSBpFS3ocEGNUaEhCYQRnzN+xO0nIT6sRU/cmb+7mCA9otBUwWVZhZc jzXVCdUqoohwDGKgHH9EQ8mpaRLj9ZPqiv4B1Gv7POSqr9ADjI7+wA== =TX0w -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Mar 2006, @ @ at 13:20:10 -0600, when Chris wrote: Personally, I don't like reading yellow text on a white background... :-) Sometimes reading even blackest text on a whitest background makes same effect. (-: - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 567 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCG1grSpHvHEUtv8AQNsEwgAjXOquey8oYdcvWJFq/MDsBOK6nRYpuA9 G9SDqTgpeT89Wv8jzm0owrDzklzrTkVNjKA3WGq3kXnUMUxu8GfkFVaveDEH2pGc Cyvxm2jwyrCxOdbIRsRIC6pMPjxPsjrSVz2OYTeYKhMl11InYn0OvOn79wsuzAwq i/IFiugMem0Gl5Bigx1Du77GLV1Syzqea/Gohi1wky5XezlczaMQzRn3Nze6ulfs z5pP5u/WaVL78OA+3/f207QTC48pO/jrbgM+n3PYrryOPBoRZyWOBEn/yjOAc9tM SVFTIb3+lErAIzH7z2UOBC21aC4nqrnAONCj9UJ/h9soX5tnNk7PsQ== =hCff -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MicroEd vs Plain text
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 22 Mar 2006, @ @ at 21:17:31 +, when Paul Meathrel wrote: OK, does this suit you better. I've temporarily switched to MicroEd to see how things go for a few days. I've no doubt that you'll notice if I switch back. How does it look at your end now I've switched? Beautiful. A holiday for eyes. I only have auto-wrap enabled and use ALT+L on the quotes and my own text to format it nicely. As far as the Help file goes, it seems to indicate that ALT-L means Align the block on left end. When I try it on your text and on mine it doesn't appear to do anything, what exactly does it do? Try firstly Alt+R, or Alt+J, or Alt+C, and then Alt+L. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 568 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCHg07SpHvHEUtv8AQMJdAf8CkJt4JK9g5jDcP45Nd2u4gpft94VW8PK Gtk261EpehSvlZr+KPR8HH+HsVzljtzJ2+Brab95QYaTfMyz+cjxpvFe2tZZdK8f 1b+DoGdYPffmxmA4iQHKN+8NCqi7mk7fdZ7o8bh4JzfnCyVm1g1haSWxOwycbuHH ZLElVZ4Adt+bkRL5BQtKe7cOk8GEuR9P2++DPNU3QWd4kLaAk63SjmXQyN+e4+Ro MKSF2uX0/7sDyIbnaeRkAdL194vY2qnmjvoqVuDnAVQA7Py94OpKtJHc+b7FdgBj T5c4M7EjOAMaEatIL/X1HJF6CNkm/rt8G/qKinNw+DJbRn9P0RRY3g== =u4HX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 14 Mar 2006, @ @ at 17:44:35 +0100, when Mark Partous wrote: Hello Paul, Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 5:33:31 PM, you wrote: PM Hi all, PM I notice that some of my folders have little green ticks next to PM them, whereas others do not. I'm sure someone will be able to tell PM me exactly what they mean!? That's an easy one. Your PC has Green Measles. Just accumulated mold of cheesy letters inside, if a second opinion is appreciated. I think a Draft folder could cure it, since all is One and all things are intertwined. It's a Chi...Indian, Navajo, wisdom. (-: (^_^) -- A Chinese enigmatic smile. Kim chi chuan.[1] _ [1] From Kim Chi Ching. The Book of Sour Cabbage. (^_-) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 559 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRBcwBrSpHvHEUtv8AQNUSQf/Spd70gg4KS62Z/Zpfaw5uEVuCXfNwewW 6gDLyWxWpUlHiJQdsA4zIyJYY1BZ6afMkspaW25Sip6gmla5vBapCUtk2/v4LsoF 4XaqMsTgT8MzpnpqOhziW/qeNk59WFnbjhB/vPxdyaSxOgWGnWHXl3rBmgt7MZSI SRkWBPgHoKRS94bY85aQqt1pFh+uDIiB1ysgnpR3p6hAhu5ZqxiSk/5OfWHLyI5Z SoEHmWH9VnA3Y+4yxhxpW5PC7DSV8XGwDUBF5olo5CT2MP14DNH8Y/PmyOM/QfaJ hO1KoIBBde93hFp2XfYv4T4rYjr1OvNQQ/F7jhrtacEQwJd/f1o53w== =aN+Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 11 Mar 2006, @ @ at 18:49:58 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Paul, On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:17:33 + GMT (11/03/2006, 15:17 +0700 GMT), Paul Meathrel wrote: PM Oops sorry! I sent this accidentally, I put it in the outbox but PM didn't save it as draft. You may want to support the wish for a drafts folder: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Yes, in the case one doesn't know how to use already existing and advanced feature of Outbox, s/he could support a wish for a TB for Dummies. (-: (Those who know though, are aware when they miss to hit Alt+F2 instead Shift+F2 to save message as a draft.) Might be even better to issue two versions of TB: a normal one, and one for those who do not Read (The F...unny) Manuals. g But I guess only one version, of mixed feelings, perceptions and qualities, will be the case, as it already, near-near to be, is. Thus we get: two legs of Grace Jones (from the movie about a new perfume) and one, the left one, of Deni de Vito (the latter one would be the Draft folder, from Drowned Mona), 2 tits of Sharon Stone and one (in the middle) of Dolly Parton, a...fterior of Whoopsy Goldberg (which goes well with Grace's leggies though), the metallic green cucumberoidal start button of Sir Gates (for the CK's enjoyment), the face of Silvester Stallone (from Rambo II), hairstyle of Mrs. Simpson ... Some time ago they called such carbohydrate conglomerates Franken...I forgot the exact name but for the described any name would fit fine. (-: I wish you all Happy March 11th, anyway. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 556 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: We-want-TIGER-back! iQEVAwUBRBLwirSpHvHEUtv8AQPrhAf+KcrlCi8g6swPJ7Rc7Ur0rIWxlb8cQNRl TiFJHACQu1lVPAyuAPVtjU2geXmzVOlTkFSkSx0yBKUPiO7pa4OUBUqz6oWFumz3 3XtMhIxYYFgpP+xZH9/5voeVQ+42kJT5evLHbM1bXbjEBtzSO/oyGqLKvc++OX9T lRJRSTqrmrTY+tj6OCGiGU9GHLCv1WmBtd/UjIxUwvJBLcjAo+Sj5cq5cAQe/BH4 3lo5e3mfxE8yPvKGviPCW7Jcz9u8/Dg0Ux+5KIehRFOAmlJj0LOfiUbVRSUZ03T+ 9AnBt+sKBPJiqJdR72z9mZU1HShbuiGJzeHenM8RehexkXCfM5AM1A== =od5d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like inMSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 10 Mar 2006, @ @ at 14:43:27 +0200, when vitalie vrabie wrote: it was just an example of Microsoft's UI thinkers (roll up the thread) who forgot about the meaning and have drawn that triangle's height too low, just to look nicer. Which reminds me of some Chinese mystical T-shirts with imprinted mystical Chinese characters, which actually advertised a cat food. Now, a t-shi r t one easily can take off, but I don't know for tattoos... g A yellow page (wo)man. There was even a Qigong version of The Bat! once. The Bat! (v3.70.06 Qigong (Beta)) Home. I don't know if I missed to espy a kim chi, dukha, samsara and wu wei versions, for I'm not a big fan/ventilator of beta things, and am prone to stick to something which works. I go now to shine my TB shrine. (-: - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 555 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRBGVUrSpHvHEUtv8AQMmzQf/RDu6Oj6ROMd+werouKo/SWw62GeOUdmI xyPy/0wb7gj3bSeTlY+LdtkAMhdiP/Evc6S+WSRQA7P1pJITIEBs4DZ48YFd9PwW DkYmXHxnadN2dhW/YcTQ+rk8GCXJnJe7aByfCdFJOURBpvgtixpkDsUhLI23r/20 pZQohuciPNfSImaEKpSal60kjIN3+b4KY7grYfjXz4Q0ERqlpHgwM539NmnUaDN9 pwbOIo7OdC+KwsMxj5fT9YOU3ptFVx5YQDK6VO5FHFm7Vvli5f2iWMDO/0g6DqkD AV+Unl+4aMjd0ZmsFo2dOem8OMZ+IJxY4r3Xwsr8WKlaJJlnzM3ooA== =zp8b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like inMSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 9 Mar 2006, @ @ at 13:30:33 +0200, when vitalie vrabie wrote: Not _everything_ MS does is bad, they do have a fairly large usability department. sure. and they render useless quite many things that were useful before. Anyway, there's no such a bad thing which cannot be useful for something. For instance, I saw a metal computer case (midi size) used as a field grill quite efficiently. (-: - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 554 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRBA25rSpHvHEUtv8AQNX7AgAsDRiD4v5bbfkIeIa7sP7S06dCmYkMFHx Z5smR2+t/M42Mgog8LDS3wjCqiDxAcoAj3Sclso6/DWeWO18H9d78wP413/TS2MO oROqjYlsIU5vvxpx7DD83YYnW3q0Hb90VNRtx4CNDnQnkUL8eMdqcaJKy8CrVswy pW5k1D52IQP0KETRrytNURju6toYT2BMnNeVXolPxrAsChgj5ooCk6y6lsy+niSo Q1ZY5qEQLK1OmJ/FBPSPtOSiaqEiebdmqHNgWnd0iZdwQ4qZrARJonztp75PiE4B vSkTuB0r4SBhuFGTaXQV4snoL51GnY/AUs3ToSStL9r/R71ObQtZLw== =WcLI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 6 Mar 2006,
@ @ at 23:57:34 +, when MFPA wrote:
Peter Fjelsten wrote:
To me, vertical means top to bottom.
And to me, meaning that as you move from the top to the bottom the
screen is split into 3.
The splits are vertical when there are 3 columns.
That to me is a horizontal split: as you move from left to right
the screen is split.
I suspect neither of us will convince the other...
But if the wish is implemented, you could have a very high
preview pane doing away with scrolling is most instances.
You mean a full-height one? (!)
If we have a pizza nailed on a wall, when we cut it vertically we get
columns, and when we cut it horizontally we get rows.
A matter of science, graphical/descriptive/projective geometry, when we
are on Earth, in our usual position, standing on our legs, which end
with our feet.
If we though alter this standard referential point, then from the point
of say spider(wo)man, hanging from the ceiling with his/her head down
and legs up, we get inverse orientation, in terms of up-down and
left-right, although vertical-horizontal remains identical. When the
spider(wo)man stands though on a wall instead on the ceiling, and is
cutting the pizza nailed on the next wall, then we get what you
describe.
So, basically it depends on how computer and/or User are positioned in
the space, although Manuals/Mańuelas/Manuelit{a|o}s/Crusals/Gambals,
menus etc. are written from the standpoint of the standard position,
where the horizontal is the plane of trajectory of a moving plankton on
a still water surface, and the vertical is trajectory of a falling
brick, flowerpot or a grand piano, on a windless day/night.
The horizontal has value 0° and the vertical has value 90°, where the
referential point is the center of a nearest planet, or of a local body
influenced not by the field of gravitation of an other one.
***
I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the requests,
and even given ear to, of a type like in MS Outlook regarding TB
development. It opens a new vision of another copy of Elvis happily
murmuring in a subtle shiver Mail me tender, mail me sweet..., leaving
the building of the former TB's integrity and originality.
It resembles irresistibly the efforts of creat{ion|ure} named
Evolution in the Linux world, although I lean, under handsomely
lurching angle, to believe that it's rather a matter of a godfather's
typo meaning Involution actually.
Anyway, it's interesting to watch now and then what happens in the
search of Oscar for Confusion. (-: :pop(ular)corns:
Yours in Muffet Show,
Statford
- --
Mica
PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 552 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes,
Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine...
~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~
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Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like inMSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 7 Mar 2006, @ @ at 15:40:37 +0100, when Peter Fjelsten wrote: Mica, On 07-03-2006 15:12, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the MM requests, and even given ear to, of a type like in MS Outlook MM regarding TB development. It opens a new vision of another copy of MM Elvis happily murmuring in a subtle shiver Mail me tender, mail me MM sweet..., leaving the building of the former TB's integrity and MM originality. Indeed. Hmm. What the wish is for is an _additional_ way of doing it, an a pretty good one at it, too. Not _everything_ MS does is bad, they do have a fairly large usability department. Following the own path of evolution, one has opportunity to evolve up to his maximum and in a most splendid way. Leaving this path though, and trying to execute actions which correspond to other and different paths of evolution makes one's evolution impossible and brings into confusion, as to the sense/purpose of this path, and even identity itself. It is like a duck wanting to be a piglet, or a lion wanting to be an opossum. The intrinsic Secret Power is hidden inside their _own_ identity, not in faked identity of others. Wishing something like that the duck and lion become powerless and lost. Or to put it this way: If Sharon Stone would like to have legs of Grace Jones and Grace Jones would love to have tits or face of Sharon Stone, to increase their personal popularity, then it would look a bit strange, eh? (Although they could run/trot their careers as comediennes. Or as boogie women.) Or, when you would divorce woman #1 and then marry woman #2, and then expect of woman #2 to behave, or look, in some very specific ways of woman #1. It doesn't go, and such things finish with a built in some piece of crockery into your head or similar. The ways woman #1 makes you happy can bring you something totally else with woman #2. Be what you are, is the moral here. Don't even _try_ to be someone else, regardless any possible promise of a real or imaginary reward.[1] Otherwise you will just lose your Secret Power, and what are you then? Those are some basic principles of the Yoga of Identity. __ [1] You think that people imitate Gates because he is so ingenious programmer? Hee, hee, hee... [with inlaughteration of Eddie Murphy] They want to be _rich_ as Sir Bill. Hee...etc. Imitate successful ones and you'll become successful. Once they've been making the nice brazen steady spittoons; today though, when you need some, none you can see around. (: Phew... [thud] (If I were programmer for instance, and would like besides to be crazily rich as well, I would do this programming of course, but would also buy for less to sell for more, whatever: watermelons, aspic, second c...hand condoms, super-glue... This way I would quickly become a King of Condoms, or of something else, having my power of programming intacta.) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 552 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRA3XZbSpHvHEUtv8AQOUqQf/QT5L15ktHw2weTLtALOHHWKj9HJXnXxl G9kli01VUoWec+eC3h+vCvme0wOW3i6UOXWdQp6U9yBDbtcGEWWgNPrw4x4C4jbr Vw6h7m3r9HjZ75X37DfR/ZrSUiXOwKd7QhkQDRkpg1jrD4Xa/70XNrLlsmoRp89d Yw+KkFqGHtY5xa6pC/aSSshOBBQDo9O8s8Jv5ypQFVAR4ZsP5uga1qlj4APrVfGm Eai2DlVPlPvzGr+qLKPeG3SZqbEDoYJ0HDo/buvDhoihXM9pRurXope087fcjEOS CHB5wTS+7STg4TV2J1oKvrwsh1tmgGR1D0kLZMUXnXGGpgO5GEtLSw== =8kAc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 1.62
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 5 Mar 2006, @ @ at 20:17:26 -0500, when Dave Goodman wrote: I've been running the now antique v.1.62r and am about to upgrade to the newest v.3.n. But there is a complication. For various reasons, v.1.62r is installed on my D: drive, where it lives happily with all it's data. However, I now want to install the new v.3.n in the more customary C:\Program Files\xxx. It is essential that the mail databases be left on the D: drive and be accessible to the new installation on C:. I've been uncertain whether to just install the newer version to C:, then tell it where the .TBB files, etc. are, and then perhaps uninstall the old version. Or vice versa. Or whatever. Any words of wisdom on the best way to accomplish this in as pain-free a way as possible would be greatly appreciated. A pain-free way, as to (de)installation itself, would be something like this... Copy your mail databases (usually the folder Mail) somewhere on D: drive. Deinstall the old TB. Install the new TB (and tell it where the mail database is). *** The rest of the happenings is not necessarily pain-free though, so if you have some more complex/specific filtering system or similar, it's good then to do another copy of your Mail folder (just in case), since automatic transfer into the new filtering systems and file formats, coming with version 3, will not work always, so the pain might be present woohoo.[1] ___ [1] Studying recently again some works of Monsieur de Sade (Comte Donatien Alphonse Francois) though, I could not say for sure verily what a proper treatments and estimations of the matters of a pain could be in particular individual cases. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 551 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRAv8vLSpHvHEUtv8AQOyFggAgGjgOTvuyGnFMPaW6T4UINBM6QExZb7/ As7/ZnY9lxXGafOerkVb3Ph6tmKc4T1TNCLnx85h06ahW3CWHlRj8XnziAi/DVmb FnpH4I6U2b2gEPa2XFaCjPxWOZbEnd/2gItg/cg/mw/oi1qWfMNkHspC+H0F/ZHD GLfB2MFy6V0KC233yXgm0l8H5xU2+i+HMWTBDBNB8lSj9bK0cVDs8WEzuzHHQr9c BDOD3E57CgEmZswPvXcUtHELiEjjSZl9QsFfZU1ZpUA0Gu/DzfjE9/UqkbHr+Xyx QrBqOIToJIIDOhGQ0gUmEIvcMtJj81JDS7O8MMdTlQ45QbGLNqaWjw== =Mwdo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: CC to always stay where it is
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 5 Mar 2006, @ @ at 21:01:47 +, when MFPA wrote: While I can see the need for the CC to come to the front when a message is sent, I really wish the mechanism that brings it into focus will put it back where it was after the message is sent. You mean like it does in v3.0.1.33? Hehehehe... For some reason, from some point on, development of TB appears to be very kno...--complex. g Adding one feature leads to a domino disap...--removal of other one. Well, my last remark in this regard was made...few years/versions ago (some 1.6x) and related to the way of listing account folders using keyboard, when they made it better, so I couldn't list them that fast and easily as before. Being though that I can easier adapt to TB than TB to Me, I gave up and left them to enhance it further and to do what they can, without my comments and remarks helping them. (-: Yours in Muppet Show, Statford - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 550 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRAtmu7SpHvHEUtv8AQNKkwf9EqTmIMoXf4xo5+TggAu/3STd3VPsMJ+R yzoCiRa/M8Oaxtmj4fOH/4NQytgcXH94UYNgpKj3v4hpq6wwREqfPbCI+y2oPBPj zZM0z/EIEbq+d2aetrE0tq7LjE2eS53IjHFgqyThXenaJyT/1GCI8V22JDYXC1WO a0A/HeRhO2e4F22zqSMwZXeuRibXIRmJE4sVfPT1bw/RKTxZeV+fq58VgvPufKnm 7y4aqA5r+B/k/m/hZTAHHdUPX1NKyCuHmBPfqsvDvybeM/hVpKFOwsH8EAsGS/L9 qXipQc6X3GOq96IDTChsqWC0f2n0cBhV5qioe+veTbtRMbqkymCDrw== =CzL1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewing addresses in the From column
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 28 Feb 2006, @ @ at 13:15:31 +0100, when Mica Mijatovic wrote: If we would have such details given in message list pane, it would just redundantly and needlessly occupy space making it cluttered and dysfunctional. Let me see what else I do not wish in TB... (: - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 546 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRAXMYLSpHvHEUtv8AQNaPwf/eljGTToLQAebP16uw70F0cOmbKdYkOpV Wk4DDmyUNMyd8kkxV6lSN9L+GRj3rWrQRBsQX0P9hbgSMd1birYQPCKNKUBO8gMg WhqvkbtVSmpT1Eauyr11uwOwh2Hk22psKxvffXlevDTFOk1bwvK5ms0C4c2rURXn 79L7Zbdl7XHdcu4hhLXWdeX91XpmBqvN5auYHZucRdWWyoiAZvfuxFO41kVUMBoY DtawtWXftf0zRutQ4Q++xl1ma2m7Im+pHSO8j7B55wCAPx4b3NbVSDDe2rEEjusK b28cLjibBO77sj/mo84227VuvMvx1zOKdOKYyAiWms/jUXQw8yWoZg== =sEXA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewing addresses in the From column
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 28 Feb 2006, @ @ at 11:49:04 +0100, when Luca wrote: Actually, I'm a bit surprised that's theres no way to show senders' email addresses in message list pane. This looks to me like a pretty normal feature, and I use to think that even miracles are possible with TB :-) I do not see it would be very economical, but rather a matter of bloating TB, having in mind that sender's name and address are already shown in message preview pane as one of basic message informations. The list pane serves for what its name says: a brief enough informative listing of messages. Details are then given in other place(s). If we would have such details given in message list pane, it would just redundantly and needlessly occupy space making it cluttered and dysfunctional. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 545 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRAQ+4rSpHvHEUtv8AQMRvAf8DOpy5QjcwKcD6H5yFho0adns7zlEO7mk Hv5O05q5QatdTj32l4x8SM9MW6m3xzvGJ33hFC4FyUWgdqJMr68MTQQvx2pjoWpo WcZa2MAU/pocIsFsrJ4ooMXVO6pMvB0KGD3m9nI5f3Cebw/oY9hN99x71xo8kzem pfjeHT+ZGSTNwEHdZuHcL5aGI8BaTWXtcLlfC5G+SgfII9qoeLmc5R0UGX0Ydio+ H2sIdi20dRTa+aqsAKKIXFVLL2p1LFtqQ8xpNYkIUUPe8R22FPvAPFH6+A7RyGHM 9updWxgZrSSB2DeV64M0yW2VY50HFAA1y2hgc45P65a81GTEv9eaqQ== =+3pS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewing addresses in the From column
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 28 Feb 2006, @ @ at 22:30:31 +, when MFPA wrote: Since some people use different email addresses with the same realname, it would indeed be a useful feature for some users. Also, some people use different display names with the same email address. ... If you write a wish, I will support it. So will I. There why I have to learn how to hack. (-; To get rid of useless features. Maybe though I'll write a wish against instead. g - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 546 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRATwXLSpHvHEUtv8AQNxLwf/XcPzT4b2w5ikP6FbBg6OKChzYaOA8Ee6 ZSXnozW/4/c9vULP9JTtappdU2BDd3ZeWGiy0syfqtM7w27nrMnLiboKBHST2YUY aqLfXAxXXMUvBgdMQ1DdVOWgUPtZPblWz4PHdRtlS2fIh0GqVBz1vhdJsjk+opH+ DlDoTnKBmZgsZJFFIEr+TPkzvSCIfWKuWyH0rXYTx/6IyUcZ3x0BTCxBob8N+AR+ yMQJHKNrKxNzralFyTMhldC9Ik0CeupCF2vqEU5t3wyt6ck8NqsuWYcnCQmEdrtT 78FiCiY8Jg4aU21C9UUVnNnPmIJdASsaDOg/weTi33jOFQqtU4266A== =2rhX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
