Re: An idea/question about message colours

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, September 22, 2000, 4:47:39 PM, Deryk wrote:

> Some interesting notes :)  In general it works with "most" cases
> so that's good enough for me.  The heroic AMEOL wasn't magic
> either (nor was it as good as TB overall, it just had some neat
> ideas).

> I'm more than happy with the results of this filter. Of course if
> anyone comes up with something which works even better (or indeed if
> it's implemented in the next version) I'll be most pleased.

Me, too. I seriously doubt it can be down "flawlessly", however.
There's no way for an email program to know exactly who is following
up on you, except through the In-Reply-To and Reference fields in
the headers, which you've already done. My method works only under
certain condition (uniqueness of name in a given mailing list) of
which the existence is impossible for the program to determine.
Consequently, in a mailing list where your name isn't quite unique,
and there are lots of people using web-based email, I can think of
no way for a email program to know who is following up on you.

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Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

> (or indeed if it's implemented in the next version)

The idea of flawless tracing of replies to your own comments, that is,
not the patchy-but-helpful filter ;)

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Re[2]: An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

Hi Ming-Li,

Some interesting notes :)  In general it works with "most" cases so
that's good enough for me.  The heroic AMEOL wasn't magic either (nor
was it as good as TB overall, it just had some neat ideas).

I'm more than happy with the results of this filter. Of course if
anyone comes up with something which works even better (or indeed if
it's implemented in the next version) I'll be most pleased.

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Re: An idea/question about message colours

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, September 22, 2000, 1:23:08 AM, Deryk wrote:

>> How would you create a filter to do this?  I know how to create a
>> filter to apply a colour group.  What I don't know is how you would
>> define which messages would be assigned this colour group.  That is,
>> what do you do to get TB to identify the messages that are replies
>> to your messages?

> If you only use one email address, it's quite simple.  Create an
> inbox filter that looks for "\[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the kludges ie.
> it's in the format "\d@" for every email
> address you have. In the actions - tell it to set a certain colour
> format.  Under options, tell it to continue processing other
> filters and to use regular expressions.

Should work fine in most cases. Unfortunately, not all message ID
are in that format. I've seen message IDs not ending with a number
before the "@".

> This only works with replies from email clients that use
> in-reply-to and/or reference headers (ie the ones that work with
> "thread by reference") but most of them do anyway.

It seems that those web-based emailers (Yahoo mail and the like)
don't.

> In threads, it highlights anything "under" one of your posts, eg. if
> someone replies to you, then somebody else replies to *that* reply,
> that message will also be marked.  I like it that way - it keeps track
> not only of messages directly to you but also messages "caused" by
> something you said.  Easiest way to understand is to try it.

I personally use a different scheme. I don't want all messages
following up on mine to be color coded, only those directly replying
to mine. Additionally, I want messages mentioning my name to be
color coded as well, regardless to whom they are replying. So,
here's my filter:

String   Location   Presence
TBUDL|TBBETA|TBOTSender Yes
["Ming"] Anywhere   Yes

(Other mailing lists in alternative sets). Note the square brackets
and quotation marks are necessary.

I use "Ming" instead of "Ming-Li" because sometimes people call me
"Ming" only. This would nevertheless fail miserably if my sister
(her name is Ming-Yi) signs on to the same mailing lists, or if I'm
in a group of which the topic is about Chinese history, for there
may be many messages about the "Ming Dynasty". . Fortunately nothing
like these has happened so far, and I'll deal with it when it comes.
:)

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Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

> How would you create a filter to do this?  I know how to create a
> filter to apply a colour group.  What I don't know is how you would
> define which messages would be assigned this colour group.  That is,
> what do you do to get TB to identify the messages that are replies
> to your messages?

Check the rest of the thread for a full explanation, we seem to have
it sussed.

If you only use one email address, it's quite simple.  Create an inbox
filter that looks for "\[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the kludges ie. it's in
the format "\d@" for every email address you have.
In the actions - tell it to set a certain colour format.  Under
options, tell it to continue processing other filters and to use
regular expressions.

This'll identify messages written by you as well - if you don't want
that, just add another rule that it shouldn't find your full email
address present in the "From" field.

This only works with replies from email clients that use in-reply-to
and/or reference headers (ie the ones that work with "thread by
reference") but most of them do anyway.

In threads, it highlights anything "under" one of your posts, eg. if
someone replies to you, then somebody else replies to *that* reply,
that message will also be marked.  I like it that way - it keeps track
not only of messages directly to you but also messages "caused" by
something you said.  Easiest way to understand is to try it.

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Re[2]: An idea/question about message colours

[katsmeow]

Hi Ming-Li,

Thursday, September 21, 2000, 9:34:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding An 
idea/question about message colours:


>> When you post or make a comment, it notices.  When someone reples
>> to a comment that you have posted (ie. they are addressing YOU),
>> the message is automatically marked red (priority colour) as are
>> any more comments under it.

ML> This can be done with filters, and you can use whatever color you
ML> want.


How would you create a filter to do this?  I know how to create a
filter to apply a colour group.  What I don't know is how you would
define which messages would be assigned this colour group.  That is,
what do you do to get TB to identify the messages that are replies to
your messages?

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Re: An idea/question about message colours

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Hi Januk,

On 22 September 2000 at 18:27:16 GMT -0700 (which was 02:27 where I
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of "An idea/question about message colours":

>> Without  the numbers it will match his mailbox. With the numbers it
>> only  matches  message  IDs which will pick out messages which have
>> "References" to something he has written.

JA> Ah, of course.  Then may I suggest the extremely simple regexp:

JA>  \[EMAIL PROTECTED]

JA> The \d looks for any single digit.  Saves you typing out 8
JA> alternates.

Nice. Even better. Let's see what Deryk makes of it when he wakes up.

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Re: An idea/question about message colours

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marck,


On  Thursday, September 21, 2000  at  02:11:39 GMT +0100 (which was 6:11 PM
where I live) witnesses say Marck D. Pearlstone typed:

JA>> If you have the string looking for @deryk.co.uk, all these messages
JA>> should be matched.

> Without  the  numbers  it  will match his mailbox. With the numbers it
> only  matches  message  IDs  which  will  pick out messages which have
> "References" to something he has written.

Ah, of course.  Then may I suggest the extremely simple regexp:

 \[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The \d looks for any single digit.  Saves you typing out 8
alternates.

 


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Re: An idea/question about message colours

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Hi Januk,

On 22 September 2000 at 17:54:21 GMT -0700 (which was 01:54 where I
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of "An idea/question about message colours":

>> etc all the way up to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

JA> I'm curious, why do you have the numbers before the @ symbol?

JA> If you have the string looking for @deryk.co.uk, all these messages
JA> should be matched.

Without  the  numbers  it  will match his mailbox. With the numbers it
only  matches  message  IDs  which  will  pick out messages which have
"References" to something he has written.

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Re: An idea/question about message colours

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Deryk,


On  Thursday, September 21, 2000  at  18:29:54 GMT +0100 (which was 10:29 AM
where I live) witnesses say Deryk Lister typed:

> Got it!

> Rule
> 
> Source folder: Inbox
> Move to: Inbox

> String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Location: Kludges  Presence: Yes

> Alternatives
> 
> Each one is a separate 'set' of alternatives.

> String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Location: Kludges  Presence: Yes

> String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Location: Kludges  Presence: Yes

> etc all the way up to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm curious, why do you have the numbers before the @ symbol?

If you have the string looking for @deryk.co.uk, all these messages
should be matched.


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Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

Got it!

Rule

Source folder: Inbox
Move to: Inbox

String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Location: Kludges  Presence: Yes

Alternatives

Each one is a separate 'set' of alternatives.

String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Location: Kludges  Presence: Yes

String: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Location: Kludges  Presence: Yes

etc all the way up to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Actions
~~~
Set message priority to High
Set the message's colour group to RED.

Options
~~~
Continue processing with other filters


Explanation:

Any messages that either I have written or that is a reply to one of
my messages, has "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the message ID, references or
in-reply-to headers. So I made a filter that looks for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" etc up to 9 (by using the
"Alternatives" tab). That way, if the headers conform to RFC (ie the
message ID is in the format @deryk.co.uk) then this filter
will do the job :)  Any messages on a list that aren't written by me
or comments referring to my own message, doesn't have the ID in so is
ignored.  Complicated, but it works :)

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Re[3]: An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

> Of course, this won't work for a lot of other mailing lists that
> hide the recipient field and replace it with its own address.

Almost got it.  I need the filter to be able to search for deryk.co.uk
in the "In-reply-To" or "References" kludge.

How about wildcards?  I was hoping it would be possible to look for
"In-reply-To:*deryk.co.uk" in the kludges.

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Re[2]: An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

Hi Thomas, On Thursday 21/09/2000 at 04:42, you wrote:

> I sent a filter off-list yesterday for a similar question. The TB user
> wanted to copy ML postings that are addressed to him into a special
> folder. As soon as I get home, I will post it here; insterad of "copy
> to folder", you can change it to "user colour group red".

So far, I have it set up so that if anything has my name in the
recipient - it's in the red colour group and high priority.  If
there's a key for "go to next high priority message" then we're
laughing :)

Of course, this won't work for a lot of other mailing lists that hide
the recipient field and replace it with its own address.

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Re: An idea/question about message colours

[Ming-Li]

On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 11:25:09 AM, Deryk wrote:

> When you post or make a comment, it notices.  When someone reples
> to a comment that you have posted (ie. they are addressing YOU),
> the message is automatically marked red (priority colour) as are
> any more comments under it.

This can be done with filters, and you can use whatever color you
want.

> If you collapse the thread, the root message is coloured red.

This can't be done in TB.

> That way, you can see at a glance if anyone has replied to one of
> your posts/comments.  Cool huh?

Indeed, nice suggestion.

> It also has a button whereby you can jump to the next new
> "priority" message, so that if you're in a hurry you can reply to
> your own conversations and leave the reading of other people's for
> later on.

By "priority" message you mean those addressed to you, or messages
marked as such? Either way, you can ask TB to show you only such
mail by clicking on the "priority" you want while holding down the
Alt key.

E.g., if you color messages addressed to you "red", you may click on
the group name to show only messages of the color group. (The Color
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Re: An idea/question about message colours

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Deryk,

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:25:09 +0100GMT (21/09/2000, 02:25 +0800GMT),
Deryk Lister wrote:

DL> comment that you have posted (ie. they are addressing YOU), the
DL> message is automatically marked red (priority colour) as are any more
DL> comments under it.  If you collapse the thread, the root message is
DL> coloured red.  That way, you can see at a glance if anyone has replied
DL> to one of your posts/comments.  Cool huh? It also has a button whereby
DL> you can jump to the next new "priority" message, so that if you're in
DL> a hurry you can reply to your own conversations and leave the reading
DL> of other people's for later on.

DL> Is this possible in TB as it is, with filters and such?  If not, how
DL> about putting it down as a possible feature to add :)

I sent a filter off-list yesterday for a similar question. The TB user
wanted to copy ML postings that are addressed to him into a special
folder. As soon as I get home, I will post it here; insterad of "copy
to folder", you can change it to "user colour group red".

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An idea/question about message colours

[Deryk Lister]

After mentioning a program called AMEOL a few days ago, I thought of
another thing I found useful in its built-in email :)

When you post or make a comment, it notices.  When someone reples to a
comment that you have posted (ie. they are addressing YOU), the
message is automatically marked red (priority colour) as are any more
comments under it.  If you collapse the thread, the root message is
coloured red.  That way, you can see at a glance if anyone has replied
to one of your posts/comments.  Cool huh? It also has a button whereby
you can jump to the next new "priority" message, so that if you're in
a hurry you can reply to your own conversations and leave the reading
of other people's for later on.

Is this possible in TB as it is, with filters and such?  If not, how
about putting it down as a possible feature to add :)

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