Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
On Sunday, February 16, 2003, 10:04 PM, you wrote: K I hesitate to uninstall Becky, as I have two years of old e-mail on it K (that I transferred from my old computer), is there an export feature in Becky??? under TB Tools-Import feature you can see that TB has a variety of ways to import old mail messages.. I use TB with Windos XP Home and I have no problems. I got my wife to convert from Outlook 2K ! I use the 1.63 beta 5 because the beta 6 added too many REAL beta problems, and I want a stable environment for my wifes email program. I use Mozilla as my default client, but I also have Opera and IE installed, so I can pretty much test anything:) and I have not seen YOUR problem yet! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem is XP not TB! [was Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem]
Hello Geoff! On Monday, February 17, 2003, 1:57 AM, you wrote: G On 17 February 2003, 02:08, Mary Bull wrote: MB [XP]takes forever to hunt out a file, and sometimes it will deny MB that it exists ... snip Geoff, the advice below is really going to help me as I use The Bat! within XP. Everyone, if this is to be further discussed, what about continuing it on tbot? G 1. ... Windows XP ... [doesn't search] Program Files ... Gby default. To include these folders, in the Search Companion Gexpand Search Options, then Advanced Options, and select GSystem Folders. G 2. [In my case]: An Index Server index had become corrupted. To Grebuild a corrupted index, go to Administrative Tools - Computer GManagement (which you can access by right-clicking My Computer in Gthe Start Menu and choosing Manage). Now Expand Services and GApplications, then Indexing Service, then System. Now click GDirectories. Right click the entry for the Directory that you know Gcontains your file and choose All Tasks - Rescan (Full). Many thanks, again, Geoff. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hello Geoff! On Monday, February 17, 2003, 1:57 AM, you wrote: G ... I had something similar [to Kim's problem: G Message-ID: 702179674.20030216200400] when I first started with G TB (at 1.53d). In my case, it was because the Registry had no entry G for TB. ... I needed to log on as an administrator and then reinstall G TB, after which all went well. ... Taken out of order: G ... If you search the archives for this list, you should find my G cries of woe and the very informed resolution. ... Just in case Kim and others can't find the URL to the tbudl archives easily, I went to Silverstones.com and hunted it out again, having temporarily mislaid it, myself. :) http://www.mail-archive.com/kiss@worldless.net/ -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, February 17, 2003 7:42:26 AM RE: Default E-Mail Client Problem Greetings Kim, On Sunday, February 16, 2003, 8:04:00 PM, you wrote: K The only work-around that I've been able to find is to remove the K check from Check that The Bat is the default mail client at startup K from The Bat preferences. When I do this, all behaves normally. Also, K Becky 2 again appears in the Use default e-mail client on computer K box in Opera, when I remove the default check from The Bat K preferences. This is a very reproducible problem, as I tested it out K multiple times, each time with the same result. Do you have The_Bat! set as the system default MAPI Request Handler? Using a beta version of The_Bat! has the preferences and options set up different than 1.62i but I know there is a toggle box to do so. If it is not the default MAPI handler make it so. If it is then I believe you also have the option to remove it as the handler. Either way, give it a look see and set it opposite of how it is currently set. IIRC I had this same problem on an XP machine where it was toggled on and all kinds of hell broke loose. Of course YMMV. Anyway - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody. The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/6 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPlDa4DaPwvRMcz9cEQKwwQCgzOl8v96NDhwxVXUcICDLM/kY440An2qL bLfnxfUCzBt3REJ4CHbMZEoz =8F/2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, @17-Feb-2003, 06:47 -0600 (12:47 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: G ... If you search the archives for this list, you should find my G cries of woe and the very informed resolution. ... MB Just in case Kim and others can't find the URL to the tbudl MB archives easily, I went to Silverstones.com and hunted it out MB again, having temporarily mislaid it, myself. :) MB http://www.mail-archive.com/kiss@worldless.net/ I think that's the wrong archive - it's the Indonesian list! You want either the redirect URL: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com or the absolute address, which is http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+UN4fOeQkq5KdzaARAgpdAKCdw56qNx8Z7aS1QAOYtW1rZ4o3zwCfQk+4 xQoVR05ZIg0x3ds3ZobyjiE= =Wst9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hello Marck! On Monday, February 17, 2003, 7:05 AM, you wrote: snip MB http://www.mail-archive.com/kiss@worldless.net/ M I think that's the wrong archive - it's the Indonesian list! You M want either the redirect URL: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com or the M absolute address, which is M http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Thanks, Marck! So much for my research skills!! I did think the domain looked unfamiliar, but I went there, and it appeared to be in English! However, I didn't do a search at that Indonesian archive. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi Paul, Monday, February 17, 2003, 7:06:28 AM, you wrote: is there an export feature in Becky??? under TB Tools-Import feature you can see that TB has a variety of ways to import old mail messages.. I use TB with Windos XP Home and I have no problems. I got my wife to convert from Outlook 2K ! I use the 1.63 beta 5 because the beta 6 added too many REAL beta problems, and I want a stable environment for my wifes email program. I use Mozilla as my default client, but I also have Opera and IE installed, so I can pretty much test anything:) and I have not seen YOUR problem yet! Yes, Becky has an export feature. I had the day off work today, so I spent part of the morning going through old messages (that I kept in separate backup folders in Becky), and imported them in UNIX format into The Bat for each of my e-mail accounts. It was a bit time consuming...but not because of either The Bat or Becky...only because I've accumulated a lot of messages over the last few years. Exporting them from Becky and importing them into The Bat was a snap! I must say that The Bat is one of the most user-friendly programs I've ever worked with -- and I've worked with a lot of programs. :) Now all is in order. I submitted my registration for The Bat today and just got the registration info a few minutes ago. Thanks again for your help! -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi DG, Monday, February 17, 2003, 7:51:47 AM, you wrote: Do you have The_Bat! set as the system default MAPI Request Handler? Using a beta version of The_Bat! has the preferences and options set up different than 1.62i but I know there is a toggle box to do so. If it is not the default MAPI handler make it so. If it is then I believe you also have the option to remove it as the handler. Either way, give it a look see and set it opposite of how it is currently set. IIRC I had this same problem on an XP machine where it was toggled on and all kinds of hell broke loose. Of course YMMV. I did as you suggested. Thanks. -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi all, I've come across a problem that really has me stumped. Friday night I installed The Bat. I chose NOT to set it as my default e-mail client, as Becky is my default e-mail client, and I wasn't sure if I'd like The Bat or not. Although I do like the program, I've come across a problem, which is *very* reproducible. The first few times I started The Bat, it asked me if I wanted to make it my default e-mail client. Each time I chose No. Sometime yesterday, The Bat stopped requesting that at start up. I hadn't changed any settings. In fact, the check box for that setting was still marked in preferences. The problem occurred today when I clicked a mailto:; link in Opera (I use Opera, although IE6 is set as my default browser). Once clicking the mailto link, there was a delay, and then IE6 started. No kidding -- 64 IE windows appeared. IE has been known to do some flaky things, but I have NEVER seen this behavior in IE, ever (and I began using IE back when IE 2 was out). Fortunately, a feature of Windows XP is to group all IE windows in one section on the toolbar, once enough of them have opened. Because of this, I was able to right click on the one and choose close group. This closed all the IE windows that were open (I watched the number of IE windows count down on the toolbar). I then went back into Opera to see what the heck was listed as my default e-mail client. Before I had installed The Bat, it had said Becky. Now, it showed as *blank*. Nothing was written in the box at all. I chose to go to the setting below which specifically allows me to chose the location of the e-mail client I wish to chose. For now, I chose Becky (since I am still evaluating The Bat). I then went into IE6 and checked my settings there. Although IE listed my default e-mail client as Becky, when I clicked on a mailto: link, I got a message that there was a problem finding my default e-mail client, and that it needed reinstalled. I'm sorry I don't have the exact wording of the error message, because as soon as I closed the error box, I was again faced with a multitude of IE windows (this time it was 65). I right-clicked on the IE group on the toolbar as before, and chose close group. I then restarted IE and went to the programs tab and changed the default e-mail client to The Bat, clicked 'Apply', then went back and changed it to Becky, clicking 'Apply' again. The next time I tried clicking a mailto: link it brought up Becky. Happy ending? Not quite. The next time I started The Bat, although it still didn't ask me if I wanted to make it my default e-mail client, it apparently did something...because the next time I tried to click a mailto: link in IE, I again received the problem locating default e-mail client message, and was faced with 64 more IE windows. The only work-around that I've been able to find is to remove the check from Check that The Bat is the default mail client at startup from The Bat preferences. When I do this, all behaves normally. Also, Becky 2 again appears in the Use default e-mail client on computer box in Opera, when I remove the default check from The Bat preferences. This is a very reproducible problem, as I tested it out multiple times, each time with the same result. Is this a known problem? I love The Bat thusfar, but this glitch really bothers me. Any info on this one? Is there a work-around or fix? Thanks. -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hello Kim! On Sunday, February 16, 2003, 7:04 PM, you wrote, in part: K ... The only work-around that I've been able to find is to remove the K check from Check that The Bat is the default mail client at startup K from The Bat preferences. When I do this, all behaves normally. ... You sound like someone who knows a lot more about computers and computer programs than I do. However, it's a slow night on tbudl, and until an expert spots your message, I thought I'd put in my two cents worth. :) First, welcome to tbudl! I've been using The Bat! for about 4 months now--I'm a retired elementary school teacher--and I think you are going to like it and eventually choose it as your default e-mail client program. Second, I have a feeling this is more of a problem with XP than with The Bat! I have been using XP since December, and a bossier operating system I have never encountered! (I say from my limited experience that includes only DOS 2.6 and Windows 95B before coming to Windows XP Home Edition.) It makes folders for me and puts things in them without my asking, and also subfolders. It changes the paths of things without warning me. That little dog takes forever to hunt out a file, and sometimes it will deny that it exists--when I put the file there myself, and by going to Windows Explorer can locate it. Well--this list is not meant for me to wail over XP, it's for solving problems with using The Bat! I know one thing--XP does not like to have similar applications in its bosom. When I put the software for my new Canon G2 camera in the machine, XP immediately decided that should all be in my HP scanner folder--and I specifically told it to put the Canon software in a Canon folder in Program Files. Go figure. So--if you saved your Becky installation files: what about checking whether XP just doesn't like having two e-mail clients available? Uninstall Becky. Pick The Bat! as your default. See if you still have the IE6 vs. Opera problem then. I'm not a scientist, so there may be some faulty reasoning here. Anyway, it's my 2 cents worth on a slow, icy night, and my way of welcoming a fellow teacher to tbudl. :) K ... Also, Becky 2 again appears in the Use default e-mail client K on computer box in Opera, when I remove the default check from The K Bat preferences. This is a very reproducible problem, as I tested K it out multiple times, each time with the same result. ... I understand. K ... Is this a known problem? ... Others who have been with The Bat! longer than I will soon be telling you the answer to this. :) K I love The Bat thusfar, ... Me too! :) K ... but this glitch really bothers me. Any info on this one? Is K there a work-around or fix? Thanks. I hope there will be, whether it turns out to be an XP glitch or a TB! glitch, or the interaction between the two. Anyway, I promise you that there are some great and knowledgeable people on this list, and they will soon be helping you. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi Kim, Monday, February 17, 2003, 3:04:08 AM, you wrote: K I hesitate to uninstall Becky, as I have two years of old e-mail on it K (that I transferred from my old computer), although as a temporary K test so to speak, I suppose it couldn't hurt. I do have the original K installation files (I archive everything to CD). The best thing for you to do if you're having problems like that is, rather than uninstall Becky, just make TB the default. That's what I did (I'd been using Outlook Express). Then I just used TB instead of OE. When I decided that I'd definitely purchase (didn't take long g) I archived all the mails I wanted to keep, and just don't bother to use OE. When I change to XP (I'm using 2000 at the moment) I will try and make sure OE doesn't get installed at all. Shouldn't be a problem as I'm installing the Pro version. Incidentally, with regards to the problem you mentioned - Windows assumes you'll be using the MS products. When you more than one competing mail client, it seems to roll back to the IE/OE clients when there is a clash. No doubt this is due to a registry entry somewhere. I've seen similar problems a number of times, but usually only one copy of IE/OE gets launched. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Kim [K] wrote:'
Although I do like the program, I've come across a problem, which is
*very* reproducible.
[...]The problem occurred today when I clicked a mailto:; link in
Opera (I use Opera, although IE6 is set as my default browser). Once
clicking the mailto link, there was a delay, and then IE6 started. No
kidding -- 64 IE windows appeared. [...]
This happened to me as well but in a different setting. It occurred
when I *did* want TB! to be my default client.
The work around was to make another client my default and then make
TB! the default again. So I went into the Internet Explorer options,
and under the 'Program' tab, select OE as the default, hit OK, then
re-select TB! and hit OK again.
The only work-around that I've been able to find is to remove the
check from Check that The Bat is the default mail client at startup
from The Bat preferences.
Seems OK to me. I thought you'd have done that from the very start to
avoid the query popping up each time you started TB!. :)
It's a glitch that has been experienced by others, including Win2k
users. We're not sure what causes it but it's nothing to worry too
much about. :)
I've been running TB! on XP Pro here for over a year and things are
just fine. No problems at all.
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Re[2]: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi Allie, Sunday, February 16, 2003, 11:52:04 PM, you wrote: This happened to me as well but in a different setting. It occurred when I *did* want TB! to be my default client. Ouch. At least I know I'm not alone. The work around was to make another client my default and then make TB! the default again. So I went into the Internet Explorer options, and under the 'Program' tab, select OE as the default, hit OK, then re-select TB! and hit OK again. That's exactly what I did too -- but in my case it was between The Bat and Becky. It's the only thing that seemed to reset the functionality of the mailto: link (and kill the 'glitch'), so long as I removed the check from the default mail setting in The Bat as well. If I didn't do that, then the problem occurred the next time I ran The Bat, and then tried clicking on a mailto: link in IE again. Seems OK to me. I thought you'd have done that from the very start to avoid the query popping up each time you started TB!. :) You're right. That's exactly what I should have done. I'm still not sure why the query disappeared on its own. It's a glitch that has been experienced by others, including Win2k users. We're not sure what causes it but it's nothing to worry too much about. :) I'm glad that it's not just me. However the more I use The Bat, the more I like it, so I think it will become my permanent e-mail client soon. For now, I set it as the default. I've been running TB! on XP Pro here for over a year and things are just fine. No problems at all. Thanks for the info. I did wonder about this a little, since I had relatively few problems with my e-mail client in XP. I was hoping The Bat would work well with XP in the long run, and if your situation is any indication of that, I must say I'm relieved. I've also read a lot of positive things about The Bat elsewhere, which really helps. :) Now it's just a matter of deciding between the educational version and the personal version of The Bat. :) Thanks for your help! -- Best regards, Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi Mike, Sunday, February 16, 2003, 10:40:20 PM, you wrote: The best thing for you to do if you're having problems like that is, rather than uninstall Becky, just make TB the default. That's what I did (I'd been using Outlook Express). Then I just used TB instead of OE. When I decided that I'd definitely purchase (didn't take long g) I archived all the mails I wanted to keep, and just don't bother to use OE. When I change to XP (I'm using 2000 at the moment) I will try and make sure OE doesn't get installed at all. Shouldn't be a problem as I'm installing the Pro version. That's exactly what I did, and it's working great so far. Once I register The Bat, I'll get rid of the evaluation box each time I click on a mailto: link (since Becky is no longer configured as my default e-mail client). I don't think it's going to take me too long to decide either. Thanks for your help. :) -- Best regards, Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default E-Mail Client Problem
On 17 February 2003, 02:08, Mary Bull wrote: That little dog takes forever to hunt out a file, and sometimes it will deny that it exists--when I put the file there myself, and by going to Windows Explorer can locate it. ~~~ Now, I've suffered that one and had to suffer a rather humiliating call to the computer manufacturers to resolve it. By the time that I discovered the issues, both my wife and I had spent several hours redoing work because Windows XP failed to find files that we knew we'd created. In my case, there were two issues: 1. The files that I sought were within the Program Files tree. Windows XP now considers Program Files and all it contains to be system folders and doesn't search there by default. To include these folders, in the Search Companion expand Search Options, then Advanced Options, and select System Folders. 2. An Index Server index had become corrupted. To rebuild a corrupted index, go to Administrative Tools - Computer Management (which you can access by right-clicking My Computer in the Start Menu and choosing Manage). Now Expand Services and Applications, then Indexing Service, then System. Now click Directories. Right click the entry for the Directory that you know contains your file and choose All Tasks - Rescan (Full). Returning to the original poster's query: I had something similar when I first started with TB (at 1.53d). In my case, it was because the Registry had no entry for TB, which occurred because I didn't have sufficient permissions when I first installed TB. If you search the archives for this list, you should find my cries of woe and the very informed resolution. However, to put it in a nutshell, I needed to log on as an administrator and then reinstall TB, after which all went well. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Tagline theft ... the sincerest form of flattery Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
