Re: Duplicated and lost folders
Hi Privateofcourse, P Dragging folders in TB! has always been a bit of buggy affair but I thought P this situation would have improved by now. And why can't the lost folder P SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+L trick be integrated into the maintenance centre? Surely P that would make sense? I agree. I had this problem when first converting to version 4 from version 1, and still do (it really wasn't worth the upgrade). Version 1 didn't have the problem, at least not as bad as it is now. One would think that a program that relies so much on folders would have some intelligent code handling them. -- Jack Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Duplicated and lost folders
Hello TBUDL, Earlier I was dragging some folders around in TB! using CTRL+ALT to make them subfolders, and suddenly noticed that the folders I had dragged to the new location had actually duplicated. In fact, when I renamed the original folders and the folder copies the corresponding folder names changed to match. Somehow the folders were displaying in the old location and the new location. Closing TB! and reopening did nothing, and neither did running the tasks in the maintenance centre. So I decided to delete the folders in the new location and then open and close TB! and of course the original folders were gone as well :-/ Luckily I had a backup made an hour before to restore the two folders. However, on opening TB! again I also noticed that eight folders had mysteriously vanished. I did the SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+L trick and the folders were found and recovered. Dragging folders in TB! has always been a bit of buggy affair but I thought this situation would have improved by now. And why can't the lost folder SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+L trick be integrated into the maintenance centre? Surely that would make sense? This did annoy me a bit more than usual...but then it is hot and clammy here. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #16829. His Now Owe Dreg? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
Hello tbudl, On Monday, November 24, 2008, you wrote: ND I used to have a folder called Skiing 2009. I can no longer find ND this in TB!'s folder tree. ND It's there on disk, and I can see e-mails in the MESSAGES.TBB file. ND I've tried searching within TB for unique strings in those messages, ND but they're definitely not there. RO Create a backup of your directory 'Skiing 2009' RO In TB create a new folder 'Skiing 2009' RO If everything should go as intended TB should warn you about the RO existing folder and will prompt you about the desired action with RO regard to the existing messages. RO In case things go awry, you simply copy the messages.tbb file from RO your skiing 2009 backup to the new directory with that name and your RO messages will be restored. Ta Da! Perfect. I should have had more faith in TB and tried something like that myself. I've lost count of the number of times that you've sorted me out, many thanks. -- Nick | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost folders
Hello, I'm suffering from what seems to be the same problem as Jack (2008-06-11 15:53:20 GMT). I used to have a folder called Skiing 2009. I can no longer find this in TB!'s folder tree. It's there on disk, and I can see e-mails in the MESSAGES.TBB file. I've tried searching within TB for unique strings in those messages, but they're definitely not there. Shift-ctrl-alt-L doesn't find this folder. I tried removing the ACCOUNT.FLB from the root folder but this had the adverse effect of losing well over half my folders and accounts. Restoring the original seemed to fix that particular scare. Can anyone suggest a path forward? This particular instance isn't critical, but I'm nervous that I've lost other directories and would like to look into this further. TIA, -- Nick TheBat!: v4.0.38 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
Hello Nick, Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57:43 AM, you wrote: ND Hello, ND I'm suffering from what seems to be the same problem as Jack ND (2008-06-11 15:53:20 GMT). ND I used to have a folder called Skiing 2009. I can no longer find ND this in TB!'s folder tree. ND It's there on disk, and I can see e-mails in the MESSAGES.TBB file. ND I've tried searching within TB for unique strings in those messages, ND but they're definitely not there. ND Shift-ctrl-alt-L doesn't find this folder. ND I tried removing the ACCOUNT.FLB from the root folder but this had the ND adverse effect of losing well over half my folders and accounts. ND Restoring the original seemed to fix that particular scare. ND Can anyone suggest a path forward? ND This particular instance isn't critical, but I'm nervous that I've ND lost other directories and would like to look into this further. ND TIA, If I'm the 'Jack' to whom you're referring, my problem was that only certain messages fetched the morning before the computer crash went missing. We never lost an entire folder. Had I known where TB kept it's messages in Vista, I could have retrieved them from my off-site Carbonite backup. However, in my clumsy attempts to find the storage location I accidently allowed Carbonite to overwrite a good backup with a corrupted one which I accidently created. FWIW, I have since set up TB to perform daily backups, have told TB to 'keep messages on server for 5 days', have re-configured the computer to NEVER sleep and have re-configured Carbonite to back up only very late in the evening when the computer is no longer used for that day. It's never too late to lock the barn door. You'll eventually get more horses. Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
Hallo Nick, On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:57:43 +GMT (24-11-2008, 14:57 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ND I used to have a folder called Skiing 2009. I can no longer find ND this in TB!'s folder tree. ND It's there on disk, and I can see e-mails in the MESSAGES.TBB file. ND I've tried searching within TB for unique strings in those messages, ND but they're definitely not there. Create a backup of your directory 'Skiing 2009' In TB create a new folder 'Skiing 2009' If everything should go as intended TB should warn you about the existing folder and will prompt you about the desired action with regard to the existing messages. In case things go awry, you simply copy the messages.tbb file from your skiing 2009 backup to the new directory with that name and your messages will be restored. -- Groetjes, Roelof I'll stick with gin. Champagne is just ginger ale that knows somebody. - Hawkeye Pierce http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpXOiFpjx6kj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters not working - was: Lost folders
But now none of the email filters I had for the lost folder are working. The problem is that when the folder was lost, it was moved to M What happens if you move the folder (in TB!) to the location the M filters point to and then move it back? Don't know if you need to M close/restart TB! before moving back. My thanks to you and Tim for the suggestion. Moving the folder worked and it appears everything is back to normal now. -- Jack Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters not working - was: Lost folders
I restored TB's directory to a different location from a daily disk backup I do and then copied over the missing folder and its contents. Still didn't show up. It appears there is a main index file that has become corrupted. The above problem I had where my directory structure became corrupted has been resolved. The main fix, for any who might have this problem, was to delete the ACCOUNT.FLB file for the main folder. But now none of the email filters I had for the lost folder are working. The problem is that when the folder was lost, it was moved to a new location and the filters were all changed, automatically, to follow it. Now that the folder is back where it belongs, the filters are all pointing to the old location. Is there a way to mass edit these filters to point them to a new location? -- Jack Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters not working - was: Lost folders
Hey Jack, My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was written on Saturday, June 14, 2008 at 1:05:39 PM. The problem is that when the folder was lost, it was moved to a new location and the filters were all changed, automatically, to follow it. Now that the folder is back where it belongs, the filters are all pointing to the old location. Is there a way to mass edit these filters to point them to a new location? Hmmm, how about moving all the messages from the old location to the new one. Then delete the old folder. THEN move/rename the new folder to the location/name of the old folder... -- Lists Flying with The Bat! eMail v3.99.29 MS-DOS: celebrating ten years of obsolescence Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters not working - was: Lost folders
Hello Jack, Saturday, June 14, 2008, 6:05:39 PM, you wrote: But now none of the email filters I had for the lost folder are working. The problem is that when the folder was lost, it was moved to a new location and the filters were all changed, automatically, to follow it. Now that the folder is back where it belongs, the filters are all pointing to the old location. Is there a way to mass edit these filters to point them to a new location? What happens if you move the folder (in TB!) to the location the filters point to and then move it back? Don't know if you need to close/restart TB! before moving back. -- Best regards, MFPA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] War is a matter of vital importance to the State. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost folders
Hello, I was trying to move a sub-folder out of the folder it was in into another folder. I was doing this by clicking on the sub-folder and then using the CTRL + arrow key to move it. It turns out there is a bug with this version of TB so that when the folder being moved reaches its parent folder, the selected item gets switched to the parent folder and that folder gets moved. So instead of moving a sub-folder, the whole main folder gets moved. I didn't realize this had happened and when I saw the sub-folder hadn't moved, I tried it again, not realizing it was in a different location already. The same thing happened but now the main folder was buried in a different folder, due to having done it twice. The end result is that the original main folder that should not have been changed at all had disappeared. If I look at the actual disk structure, using a file manager, I can see the missing folder but it doesn't show up in TB. I tried using SHIFT+CTRL_ALT_L but it said nothing found. I tried creating a new folder and copied all of the files from the missing folder to it (using a file manager) but that new folder was still empty. I tried deleting the TBI file for it but the sub-folders would still not appear. I contacted TB support and was told if SHIFT+CTRL_ALT_L doesn't work I must be doing something wrong, so there's no help there. It was suggested that I add a new folder, create a sub-folder and then use the message import menu item to read in the messages from the lost folders. That worked. I had went through about 20 of the lost 200 or so sub-folders when I thought I should restart TB to make sure the messages were being read correctly. When I did that, the new folder was no longer present. I restored TB's directory to a different location from a daily disk backup I do and then copied over the missing folder and its contents. Still didn't show up. It appears there is a main index file that has become corrupted. What a mess! So the bottom line is that I have a missing folder with thousands of messages that I use for my bossiness that I can't get to. Please tell me there is a way to fix this. Using 4.0.2 -- Jack Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
I restored TB's directory to a different location from a daily disk backup I do and then copied over the missing folder and its contents. Still didn't show up. It appears there is a main index file that has become corrupted. This is going to sound stupid but here goes: You were moving folders and lost track of one. Is it possibly buried in another section of the tree? It is easy to hit the wrong arrow key and bury a folder when moving. I hope it is that easy but please don't shoot the messenger if it isn't :( -- Rick Republican Tax Cuts for the wealthy Look where it has got us so far! Lets do it some more! v4.0.24.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
Hello Jack, I restored TB's directory to a different location from a daily disk backup I do and then copied over the missing folder and its contents. Still didn't show up. It appears there is a main index file that has become corrupted. R This is going to sound stupid but here goes: R You were moving folders and lost track of one. Is it possibly buried R in another section of the tree? It is easy to hit the wrong arrow key R and bury a folder when moving. R I hope it is that easy but please don't shoot the messenger if it R isn't :( Not at all. I'm desperate and appreciate any help I can get. :) The folder is buried in another. I can see it by looking at the disk structure. However, I can't see it from within TB. And if I try to create a new folder with the same name as the missing one, a popup says that the name is already in use. I've found that if I added the missing sub-folders and then copy the TB files, instead of importing them, that the new folder will be remembered. So I can use this method, even though it will take, almost, forever. But when I am done, I'm not sure if I can just rename it to the original. It might end up deleting the contents and I'll have to start over. -- Jack Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hi On Friday 17 November 2006 at 2:43:44 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Sandy wrote: i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! but cannot remember details. Do you have tabs at bottom of your folder list? You may just have the clicked onto a tab viewing only folders with unread messages, for example. Hope your arm is on the mend. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't talk unless you can improve on the silence Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hello MFPA, i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hi On Sunday 19 November 2006 at 6:33:35 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: ctrl+alt+shift+L An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) Pen in mouth? (-: -- Best regards, MFPA Put knot yore trust inn spel chequers Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
MAU @ 2006-11-19 12:33:35 PM lost folders and filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) For the time being, turn on StickyKeys. This will allow you to execute any key combination with one hand. To turn on StickyKeys, open Accessibility Options in the Control Panel, check the box, and click OK. You may want to investigate some of the other options to see if they would be useful. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death, your right to say it. -Voltaire pgpFhmIoLBUzt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Chris, Thankyou so much. I turned on sticky keys and did the key combination. Message was something like no folders found. Then I tried folder repair and maintenancefolders all turned up in that program, were scanned and comment nothing to fix appeared, but said one folder doesn't exist. at the end of this most of my messages and folders are not visable. Sandy Chris W. wrote: MAU @ 2006-11-19 12:33:35 PM lost folders and filters mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! An quite impossible key combination with only one hand ;) For the time being, turn on StickyKeys. This will allow you to execute any key combination with one hand. To turn on StickyKeys, open Accessibility Options in the Control Panel, check the box, and click OK. You may want to investigate some of the other options to see if they would be useful. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
I can't thank you enough! I hit tabs and they are back. Sandy I seem to remember reading about something like ctrl+alt+shift+L to find lost folders that are still in the right place on disk but not showing up in TB! but cannot remember details. Do you have tabs at bottom of your folder list? You may just have the clicked onto a tab viewing only folders with unread messages, for example. Hope your arm is on the mend. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost folders and filters
Hello Sandy, On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:43:44 -0500 GMT (17/11/2006, 09:43 +0700 GMT), Sandy wrote: S i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand Sorry to hear that. S left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too S icons changed and i cant make new filter/ That's weird. I don't know how you could have achieved that. S sorry for basic question very rattled about arm and now old special S messages Can you use the mouse, or only the keyboard? I guess your question is about how to create new filters, correct me if I'm wrong. -- Cheers, Thomas. 10. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want it to do. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
lost folders and filters
i broke my arm today and cannot type with rt hand left hand somehow lost all the mail in my folders and they are gone too icons changed and i cant make new filter/ sorry for basic question very rattled about arm and now old special messages any help thanks sandy Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost folders and message
This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on the disk though. For another account messages between January the 21st up to December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday after which TheBat strangely enough started to download older mail from the server (I keep a copy of them for 5 days). I am a bit at lost. Is there a way I could recover the reference to those messages and folder ? jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello jeanluc , On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 07:36:55GMT -0700 (which was 9:36 AM in the tropics where I live) jeanluc inquired: j This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on the disk though. See below. j For another account messages between January the 21st up to December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. 1. Exit TB! 2. BACK UP the MESSAGES.TBI files of the affected folders. 3. Restart TB, and it will re-create these files, and should find the lost messages. This is the most tried and true method for correcting this problem. j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday after which TheBat strangely enough started to download older mail from the server (I keep a copy of them for 5 days). I should say here that due to the complexity of current O/S, and their inherent susceptibility to lost data in power drops, you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. j I am a bit at lost. Is there a way I could recover the reference to those messages and folder ? Oh, and speaking of long unwrapped lines . . . . :-) -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike The future isn't what it used to be. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
I should say here that due to the complexity of current O/S, and their inherent susceptibility to lost data in power drops, you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. Hm, Actually I have a small UPS. The power cut was indeed I jumping to power off my PC after having spilled my tea all over the place ! jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which are not appearing anymore. I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Lost folders and message
Hello jeanluc , On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 08:32:09GMT -0700 (which was 10:32 AM in the tropics where I live) jeanluc responded: j I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. FRACK! For the sequence of missing messages, did you try to use; Folder-Browse Deleted Messages? Try the same thing in the TRASH folder, unless you have compressed that folder since the loss ;-( j Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which j are not appearing anymore. Are the folders just not appearing in the account window, or is there no folder(s) in the mail directory under \Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\?? If the folders are there (on the drive), use CTRL-SHFT-ALT-L to have TB search for and re-list the 'lost' folders. j I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. When I said back up,' the best thing to do is (when EXITED from TB!) rename the file(s) [in the folders that don't show up in TB!] to MESSAGES.BAK. Must make note to self - be more careful with beverages around my computer! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hallo jeanluc, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:32:09 -0700GMT (22-1-03, 16:32 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: j Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which are j not appearing anymore. Select the account-tree and press Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L This searches for lost folders. I'm afraid the connection between your attachments and their messages is forever gone. That's the reason that store my attachments in the message body. That's also the reason that you shouldn't drink tea behind the computer. Chocolate and coffee are alright, but tea is no good. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Lost folders and message
Hi Spike, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:05:53 PM, you wrote: j I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. S FRACK! For the sequence of missing messages, did you try to use; S Folder-Browse Deleted Messages? S Try the same thing in the TRASH folder, unless you have S compressed that folder since the loss ;-( I reckon I'll have to give up on this one. No deleted messages found and TheBat compresses my files on each exit. At least attached documents are still there. I guess I'll to have to write down 1000 times: I shall backup my data every day. j Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which j are not appearing anymore. S Are the folders just not appearing in the account window, or is S there no folder(s) in the mail directory under S \Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\?? S If the folders are there (on the drive), use CTRL-SHFT-ALT-L to S have TB search for and re-list the 'lost' folders. j I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. The key combinations did the trick, folders are back - Thanks, Jean-Luc www.corobori.com ICQ: 48338941 MSN Messenger: Corobori Fono: +56 (41) 74 83 39 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Spike wrote... j This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account j some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on j the disk though. See below. If the folder is missing, you want to use the CTRL SHIFT ALT L key combination to force TB to research it's MAIL/ structure. j For another account messages between January the 21st up to j December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I j noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. 1. Exit TB! 2. BACK UP the MESSAGES.TBI files of the affected folders. I think you missed a step... you forgot to say either rename or delete the messages.tbi didn't you? :) j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save you a lot of trouble :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7QniuD6BT4/R9zEQKyGwCg2WeD9OK59T5ou95lWs6CAFC1YtgAoLOk xBTpQDpvjsx1ojVDO135YAVm =P2Mm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! And Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:10 AM, you wrote: j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] S [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. What is a UPS, please? J They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save you J a lot of trouble :) And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Mary, What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply (a rechargeable battery. And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? APC - American Power Conversion, www.apcc.com. The best. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Miguel! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:26 AM, you wrote: M Hello Mary, What is a UPS, please? M Uninterrupted Power Supply (a rechargeable battery. And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? M APC - American Power Conversion, www.apcc.com. The best. Off to get one, now. Another snowstorm is on its way here, tonight. :) Thanks, Miguel. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] S [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply... a battery that charges itself while you it has power, and when the power goes out, it is what gives you the power until the power supply comes back up. Or at least it gives you enough to hit that save button ;) J They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save J you a lot of trouble :) And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, any place that sells electrical goodies :) I use APC at home, and some large industrial ones at work. The APC one runs for me just fine, with a 30min backup, it has saved me plenty of times. Also if you're running windows, most UPS systems provide a cable to allow you to get the UPS to shut your PC down for you automatically on detection of a power outage, after X mins (usually configurable). I think you can pick up a fairly reasonable one for about $30-50, that'll give you 10 mins backup. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7WgSuD6BT4/R9zEQK9CQCgmESNOOJ0rH/osowd0RQfcndjZ0AAmwUA O6YMUUyhDDrR2tJjGxwQLll0 =2Ay5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Mary, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:16:16 -0600GMT (22-1-03, 18:16 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: S [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. MB What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:35 AM, you wrote: MB What is a UPS, please? J Uninterrupted Power Supply... a battery that charges itself while you J it has power, and when the power goes out, it is what gives you the J power until the power supply comes back up. Or at least it gives you J enough to hit that save button ;) J They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save J you a lot of trouble :) MB And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands MB and how do you hook them up to the computer? J CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, ... Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive solutions. But we have another snowstorm on its way later this evening. I may take a run out to Best Buy and look, in a minute. I have a topnotch surge protector in-place. But data-saving isn't its thing. :) J ... any place that sells J electrical goodies :) So--Office Depot, Staples Office Supply, Home Depot? We have all these locally, in addition to Best Buy. J ... I use APC at home, and some large industrial ones at work. The J APC one runs for me just fine, with a 30min backup, it has saved me J plenty of times. Also if you're running windows, most UPS systems J provide a cable to allow you to get the UPS to shut your PC down J for you automatically on detection of a power outage, after X mins J (usually configurable). ... That would be great. I'm running WinXP. J ... I think you can pick up a fairly reasonable one for about J $30-50, that'll give you 10 mins backup. Should be plenty of time. Thanks a bunch! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Roelof! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:41 AM, you wrote: MB What is a UPS, please? R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... J CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, ... Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive solutions. I've found with APC, Office Depot often has them on special deals, which is always useful. J ... any place that sells electrical goodies :) So--Office Depot, Staples Office Supply, Home Depot? We have all these locally, in addition to Best Buy. Yup, I think I got mine from Office Depot. I'm not sure if Home Depot would have them, but Office Depot, and Staples certainly do. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7isCuD6BT4/R9zEQIcJACg5hinteS3Di2KtPCsJ02QHAGLeZ0AoLDv 1lV0a2bBIsAf84+8GaCy82aa =FKDQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! 1. Shut down PC 2. Unplug PC 3. Plug in UPS 4. Plug in PC to UPS 5. Switch on UPS 6. Switch on PC As I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7jDyuD6BT4/R9zEQJ8rgCfXMKU+SXtb2qZvvXBxgvAOVXqQ7kAoNkk IUlyaPDE0Twcn3qOgTyfgyr2 =Zbp/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:27 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: J I've found with APC, Office Depot often has them on special deals, J which is always useful. Office Depot is right next door to Best Buy here. :) J ... any place that sells electrical goodies :) snip J ... I think I got mine from Office Depot. I'm not sure if Home Depot J would have them, but Office Depot, and Staples certainly do. Well, Staples is right next door to Barnes and Noble, just about my favorite place in town. Great coffee. Great books. :) Here goes Mary off topic again! :) But I think protecting The Bat! and its data probably is on-topic. So thanks for all this great information and support. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:29 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. MB Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to MB hook it up! J 1. Shut down PC J 2. Unplug PC J 3. Plug in UPS J 4. Plug in PC to UPS J 5. Switch on UPS J 6. Switch on PC I'm parking and flagging this, and printing it out! Thanks so very much!! J As I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables J to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd J just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small J software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the quick J start guides cover everything :) I just got a HP Scanjet working last week, with a little on-line guidance from a friend. Surely I can deal with this! If not, I know where to ask. Thanks, Jonathan. Blow a kiss to Texas for me--it's my native soil. g Missing it up here in cold Kentucky right now. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:29 PM, you wrote: R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I think? JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:56 PM, you wrote: MB Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were MB offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive MB solutions. But we have another snowstorm on its way later this MB evening. I may take a run out to Best Buy and look, in a minute. the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:53 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: MB ... hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically P powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have my Sony notebook attached to it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Paul Cartwright wrote... JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I think? Mine didn't require it... :) JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. I think I mentioned that didn't I? - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7rtCuD6BT4/R9zEQIGswCfduxMM8MT2bWEz43L9qWRlcVkJ6MAoIgf 9dwWtOop/Kf6xfpGeuSj1wMk =RMSO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan Angliss, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 12:29:32GMT -0600 (which was 1:29 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss ruminated: Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC 2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety regulations. I've found a total of 26 of these so far this month, running without the batteries connected, and the warning in the interface software (if installed) DISABLED! This is a serious issue, and should be addressed. JA 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS 4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or RTFM!). 4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC JA Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Spel chequers dew knot wurk write. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:55 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: snip P ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) I used APC's on-line help me choose link, and they were recommending systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) Any more advice, Paul? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:06 PM, you wrote: J On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Paul Cartwright wrote... JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS PC charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I PC think? J Mine didn't require it... :) Okay, maybe mine won't, either. JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to PC automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. J I think I mentioned that didn't I? You did, indeed. :) It's starting to cloud over. I think I may go shopping in just a sec, not to get caught out on slippery streets. :) Thanks again for all the help, Jonathan. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:03 PM, you wrote: JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? yes, you plug in the UPS to the A/C outlet and let it charge up. Then you can plug in the PC. MB Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically P powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. MB I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently MB has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to MB the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the MB internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the MB peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have MB my Sony notebook attached to it. ahh, the phone connector will also go through the UPS. unplug the phone from the PC, plug it into the UPS where it says to, then there is another phone cable with the UPS that goes to the PC. Saves lightening strikes from frying your modem!! you probably have 2 USB connections on the BACK of your PC, I know they aren't easy to get to ;) -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... MB ... hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? The difference between a cell-phone battery and a UPS battery is that the UPS battery isn't in use while their is power. So it *should* be charging while you use it. That is why I don't think I needed to charge mine. P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to P automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power P outage. I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. The one I have uses a serial connection instead of a USB. I don't use it personally, doesn't work with my Operating System :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7ueiuD6BT4/R9zEQKkCgCfSFA9wjTYRLrS5rSaBsrnentuMCcAn0u3 /4lxQiGRFVEtav32l/y1YQBr =z+DP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:07 PM, you wrote: S Hello Jonathan Angliss, S Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] S Checklist to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC S2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with Sthe battery disconnected due to new shipping safety Sregulations. SI've found a total of 26 of these so far this month, Srunning without the batteries connected, and the warning Sin the interface software (if installed) DISABLED! This Sis a serious issue, and should be addressed. JA 3. Plug in UPS S3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! SFailure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE Sthroughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS S4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or SRTFM!). S4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC JA Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) S Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] S manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. Fearless Fosdick manual okay? g Spike, within the next half hour I am off to buy one of these things. It's already clouding over and I expect it to be spitting snow before long. :) So, any more ideas before I leave you? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary Bull, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 13:08:47GMT -0600 (which was 2:08 PM in the tropics where I live) Mary Bull expressed: P ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. I recommend a change every 2 years, as the gel-cell batteries are the same as used in alarm systems. recommended change interval in that use is 2 years. Is your data as important as your home/office security? MB That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) MB I used APC's on-line help me choose link, and they were recommending MB systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had MB said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single MB Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) Printer?? NEVER hook up a LASER printer to a UPS, as the power drain is too high! Inkjets are OK, as they draw less. The less you have connected to the UPS the better. Usually only CPU and Monitor. Just what is required to safely close all program windows and save files. Then SHUT DOWN! It is also recommended that you CYCLE the battery at least once every 6 months to completely discharge it (to the point it shuts down the UPS) to keep the battery 'active.' They don't have a 'memory' per se, but they do require being exercised. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike The cigarette does the smoking, YOU'RE just the sucker!! -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Spike wrote... Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC 2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety regulations. Ahh yes... I forgot about that one... thanks... :) JA 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] Never had that in mine, even the big guide didn't say anything about charging. I guess that could be because of the way it works, ie, the power being drawn from the main line instead of through the batter, while the battery is charged during usage. JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS 4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or RTFM!). 4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] Not all have those, so these could be skipped. Plus if your OS doesn't support them, no point trying to get them to work ;) JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC JA Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. As goes for almost anything. The reason companies do the quick starts is to make it easier. The manual itself contains more technical data for their usage, or at least was for my case anyway, also the manual contains troubleshooting, while the quick start was... how to get started. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7vySuD6BT4/R9zEQLbHgCgxX0Rm7/wIOFIu/1W0nO9Su5PmXgAnib7 jlruJmWtvFZcC80AqWC+Z00a =gKvT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:14 PM, you wrote regarding USP: snip MB I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently MB has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to MB the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the MB internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the MB peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have MB my Sony notebook attached to it. P ahh, the phone connector will also go through the UPS. unplug the phone P from the PC, plug it into the UPS where it says to, then there is P another phone cable with the UPS that goes to the PC. Saves lightening P strikes from frying your modem!! Thanks!! Glad I asked.! P you probably have 2 USB connections on the BACK of your PC, I know they P aren't easy to get to ;) No, they're on the front. All my USB connections (two--I asked for four, and somehow the techs didn't pay attention, plus a serial port for my old Kodak DC210 camera cable--that's on the back) are on the front. This tower is custom built. Just got it in December. I love having those USB connectors on the front! It has 120 GB hard drive and 512 RAM. Pentium 4 chip. The two printers are on internally wired connections, with on-screen switching. The modem is internal, but I can get to the phone jack quite easily. Any more thoughts! You can't know how much I appreciate this! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan Angliss, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 13:23:45GMT -0600 (which was 2:23 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss responded: Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA Never had that in mine, even the big guide didn't say JA anything about charging. I guess that could be because of the JA way it works, ie, the power being drawn from the main line JA instead of through the battery, while the battery is charged JA during usage. Ah, but there is a chance of a storm (imminently) cutting power where Mary is, so I guess she must hope there is sufficient time to charge before that happens! We shall see. The battery charges at the same rate whether the UPS is being used or not, so it really doesn't matter UNLESS there is a failure SOON :-) Some of the LARGER UPS systems operate on the inverter (connverts the battery DC 12V to AC 120V) at all times, so that there is NO delay in switching over to backup power. There is a relay that switches over (in milliseconds) in the smaller units. The delay is not noticed by most systems, but larger power-hungry server banks might be adversely affected. I guess I have pontificated enough on this, so Mary . . GO GET IT!! A 450VA unit should be fine for your use. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Against boredom, even the gods labor in vain. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:18 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: snip P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? MB Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? J The difference between a cell-phone battery and a UPS battery is that J the UPS battery isn't in use while their is power. So it *should* be J charging while you use it. That is why I don't think I needed to J charge mine. I see. P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to P automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power P outage. MB I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. J The one I have uses a serial connection instead of a USB. I don't use J it personally, doesn't work with my Operating System :) As I just wrote to Paul, I do have a serial connection, on the back of my tower. It presently has my serial cable for my Kodak DC210 camera attached. Those nine-pin connectors are the very dickens for my arthritic old hands to deal with! I really prefer to leave that as is! :) I am waiting just a little longer for more ideas, but by 2:00 p.m. I'm going to be out of here! It's about a ten-minute drive to the mall with those supply stores. Thanks again for all your help. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:08 PM, you wrote: MB That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) MB I used APC's on-line help me choose link, and they were recommending MB systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had MB said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single MB Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) MB Any more advice, Paul? you only need a Backups Office 350 or 500. You just plug the printers into the SURGE protected ports on the APC. The APC has UPS protected slots for the CPU and Monitor, and the rest are SURGE protected slots, for printers, scanners... that way, when the power goes out, you are only draining the battery for the CPU and monitor. as Spike said, don't forget to open the UPS and plug the battery in... -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:20 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: P ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. S I recommend a change every 2 years, as the gel-cell batteries are S the same as used in alarm systems. recommended change interval S in that use is 2 years. Is your data as important as your S home/office security? Well, certainly, yes. :) MB ... a single Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) S Printer?? NEVER hook up a LASER printer to a UPS, as the power S drain is too high! ... Well, it did say something about that on the APC website. :) S Inkjets are OK, as they draw less. ... Both these printers are wired internally (inside the tower) to the computer. My switching between them is through software. If the printers are turned off, would that do it? Or should I unplug their power cables from the surge protector device, in case of this (we hope never-happening) power outage? S ... The less you have connected to the UPS the better. Usually only S CPU and Monitor. Just what is required to safely close all program S windows and save files. Then SHUT DOWN! It is also recommended that S you CYCLE the battery at least once every 6 months to completely S discharge it (to the point it shuts down the UPS) to keep the S battery 'active.' ... I see. Again, somewhat like a cell phone battery? S ... They don't have a 'memory' per se, but they do S require being exercised. Thanks again, Spike. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:30 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: very big snip S I guess I have pontificated enough on this, so Mary . . GO GET S IT!! A 450VA unit should be fine for your use. And protect all my great The Bat! settings and data. Okay, I'm off to the store, Spike. Thanks again. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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MB And protect all my great The Bat! settings and data. Okay, I'm off to
MB the store, Spike. Thanks again.
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just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mary.
Ok Guys. Wonderful. Mary now knows what a UPS is and is on her way to
get one. You certainly will not regret it Mary. I recommend that
everyone else does the same.
I hope that after 26 messages in an effort to answer Mary's question
of what a UPS is, we can end the discussion here, right? :)
Though I've agreed with Mary in the past that queries about terms used
during discussions are welcome, and which they *still are*. Please keep
your explanations as brief as possible and be mindful of not starting
a full blown off-topic discussion as a result of it. There's always
TBOT to go to for ironing out the fine details and develop the
discussion as needed.
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Hi Mary, On 22 Jan 2003 13:03:33 (my local time 11:03:33), Mary Bull wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) but presently I don't have my Sony notebook attached to it. If you are using a notebook instead of a desktop, you probably don't need a UPS. -- Regards, Anthony Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. -- Abelson Sussman Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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ON Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 7:29:32 PM, you wrote: JA s I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables JA to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd JA just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small JA software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the quick JA start guides cover everything :) All you guys and girls running out to get a UPS the above is something you definitely want on a UPS. A UPS is first and foremost meant to prevent you losing data with brown and black outs. Therefore the PC should close itself down (after the power has been gone for a short while), in a normal and controlled way without losing data, when the power is gone. Remember you might not be there to shut it down manually!! The battery is also not (normally) there to let you work on for extended period. If you want that you will have to pay big bucks and reserve lots of space for the UPS, depending on how long you want to keep on working after the power is gone. A final note, printers, scanners and all nonessential equipment should not be connected tot the UPS because it drains the battery. You could consider connecting your telephone system to the UPS if you have one that needs external power (think SOHO). Price tip: Some companies sell used UPS equipment and there is lot around for good price since the Internet bubble has blown :( Ask for a minimum waranty on the batteries if you buy one used. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf humanizes women, humbles their laughty natures, tends, in short, to knock out of their systems a certain modicum of that superciliousness, that swank, which makes wooing a tough proposition for the diffident male.==P.G Wodehouse - THE ROUGH STUFF == Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 5:00 PM, you wrote: G A final note, printers, scanners and all nonessential equipment should G not be connected tot the UPS because it drains the battery. You could G consider connecting your telephone system to the UPS if you have one G that needs external power (think SOHO) the APC UPSes have 2 types of power to plug into, the UPS protected and just surge protected. Usually 3 of each. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:26:47 -0600 GMT (23/01/03, 02:26 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: This tower is custom built. Just got it in December. I love having those USB connectors on the front! It has 120 GB hard drive and 512 RAM. Pentium 4 chip. The two printers are on internally wired connections, with on-screen switching. The modem is internal, but I can get to the phone jack quite easily. BTW I remember you checking for prices and stuff. How much did you end up paying, if I may ask so intrusively? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich Sie jetzt um Sex bitten wuerde - waere Ihre Antwort die gleiche, die Sie auf diese Frage geben? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ?: LOST Folders !!!
Hello Thomas, 10.12.2002, U wrote: O really ?!!! Cool !!! It's 3 bytes size ! Wow ! 8-0 There is your problem. Unfortunately, we don't know what corrupted or deleted this file on your system, but it certainly wasn't TB. I won't no, not mine ! One my friend checked his ACCOUNT.FLX, and, inspi of he have no any proble it was 3 bytes also 8-0 Anyway my problem has no silution accept Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L and Backup also insult you by asking you to check for malware or by asking whether you had properly shut down Windows the night before; you'd know that. The beauty of having backups is shown once again. ;-) Oh yes :))) PS: I believe something is wrong with your system. Also your keyboard seems to repeat characters, mainly the exclamation mark. The matte is that it's MS NAtural Keyboard... I'll check it :)) Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:52 +0500 GMT (12/12/02, 11:14 +0700 GMT), Alexander A. Gomanyuk wrote: There is your problem. Unfortunately, we don't know what corrupted or deleted this file on your system, but it certainly wasn't TB. I won't no, not mine ! One my friend checked his ACCOUNT.FLX, and, inspi of he have no any proble it was 3 bytes also 8-0 I have one such file in the TB mail directory C:\...\The Bat!\Mail. I also have one such file each in the individual mail directories C:\...\The Bat!\Mail\Accountname\ Which one are we talking about? PS: I believe something is wrong with your system. Also your keyboard seems to repeat characters, mainly the exclamation mark. The matte is that it's MS NAtural Keyboard... I'll check it :)) g -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf einer japanischen Kuechenmaschine: Nicht fur die anderen Benutzungen zu benutzen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:30:58 +0500 GMT (09/12/02, 14:30 +0700 GMT), Alexander A. Gomanyuk wrote: AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but AAG directories and bases are OK) Do you remember how this happened? Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Of course now i should restore properties of each found folder ... I was just looking around, and you are raising an interesting question: in which file are the folder properties stored? I don't know, I could only find the account properties. Could you also let us know which Windows version you are using? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sie haben ein Alkoholproblem, wenn Sie die Raten fur Ihr Auto mit Pfandflaschen zahlen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Thomas, 09.12.2002, U wrote: AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but AAG directories and bases are OK) Do you remember how this happened? Yes, it was Monday, December 9, 9:30 AM, I've turned on PC and got No Folders That's all. Nothing was changed before... accept I was just looking around, and you are raising an interesting question: in which file are the folder properties stored? I don't know, I could only find the account properties. Could you also let us know which Windows version you are using? XP eng + SP1 Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Of course now i should restore properties of each found folder ... I was just looking around, and you are raising an interesting question: in which file are the folder properties stored? I don't know, I could only find the account properties. folders and their properties are stored in ACCOUNT.FLX file. -- Marek Mikus Czech Support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Marek, 09.12.2002, U wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Of course now i should restore properties of each found folder ... I was just looking around, and you are raising an interesting question: in which file are the folder properties stored? I don't know, I could only find the account properties. folders and their properties are stored in ACCOUNT.FLX file. O really ?!!! Cool !!! It's 3 bytes size ! Wow ! 8-0 Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Could you also let us know which Windows version you are using?
AAG XP eng + SP1
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09.12.2002, U wrote: [...] Could you also let us know which Windows version you are using? AAG XP eng + SP1 Hmmm. Which file system? NTFS (8k cluster) Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Monday, December 09, 2002 8:24:02 PM RE: ?: LOST Folders !!! Greetings Allie, On Monday, December 9, 2002, 1:05:43 AM, you wrote: ACM Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Sorry Allie. That won't work for a 3 fingered man. g -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Why doesn't DOS ever say EXCELLENT command or filename! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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* DG Raftery Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings Allie, On Monday, December 9, 2002, 1:05:43 AM, you wrote: Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Sorry Allie. That won't work for a 3 fingered man. g Don't you have a nose... ;-) -- SCNR best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:01:04 +0500 GMT (09/12/02, 18:01 +0700 GMT), Alexander A. Gomanyuk wrote: folders and their properties are stored in ACCOUNT.FLX file. O really ?!!! Cool !!! It's 3 bytes size ! Wow ! 8-0 There is your problem. Unfortunately, we don't know what corrupted or deleted this file on your system, but it certainly wasn't TB. I won't insult you by asking you to check for malware or by asking whether you had properly shut down Windows the night before; you'd know that. The beauty of having backups is shown once again. ;-) PS: I believe something is wrong with your system. Also your keyboard seems to repeat characters, mainly the exclamation mark. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. ...(A)bort, (R)etry, (G)et a beer? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
?: LOST Folders !!!
Hello, Guys ! I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but directories and bases are OK) Would You advice, is is possibly to restore that files with my configuration ?!!! Yes, i can add my over 50 folders again... Yes. i can to reactivate millions of filter, yes, can try to remember the multiplies different replies for each folder AND YES !!! I can shoot every guy from The Bat ! TEAM !!! Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ?: LOST Folders !!!
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:'
AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but
AAG directories and bases are OK) Would You advice, is is possibly
AAG to restore that files with my configuration ?!!!
Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L .
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Re: ?: LOST Folders !!!
Yes, thank You Ali ! Of course now i should restore properties of each found folder ... :((( 09.12.2002, U wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:' AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but AAG directories and bases are OK) Would You advice, is is possibly AAG to restore that files with my configuration ?!!! Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 at 11:02:06[GMT +0500](which was 06:02 where I live) you wrote: AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but AAG directories and bases are OK) I had to uninstall TB! a week or so ago but I had backups of all the important folders. When I re installed I used tools/restore and had every thing back as before including filters and all my font settings. You do back up don't you? -- Best regards, Richard Every person, all the events of your life, are there because you have drawn them there. What you chose to do with them is up to you. Richard Bach Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Roelof, Wednesday, October 16, 2002 at 12:45:26 AM you wrote: RO This and the other problems could be easily explained by lack of RO diskspace. I don't know why SB wouldn't react properly to RO Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L. The shortcut has not been implemented in SecureBat! I have just learned. I don't know why. I have manually recreated most of my folders now. Only misses some that I cannot remember the exact name of. RO As I've never worked with SB, I'm just supposing the message base is RO still called messages.tbb with a messages.tbi index. .ebb, but I don't think it makes a great difference. Thanks for your advice. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk? ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost folders
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 Dear tbudl, I had my SecureBat! installed on a small part of my partitioned harddisk. All of a sudden I couldn't send a message from my account malka.com. I looked in the log, and it said that I couldn't receive either, because there were no more space left on the account. I thought at first that the problem was with our Internet Supplyer. Several times The Bat! told me that there was a fawlt with folder somehting, and if I wanted to correct it now. I started out with answering yes, but it seemed to give problems to the program, so I answered no. Then I shut down SecureBat! When I opened it up again, about a 120 of my folders in malka.dk had disappeared. It seems that they are still on the harddisk. I have now moved SecureBat!, but I still cannot see the missing folders. I have searched the helpfile and the archive, with no luck. Have already tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L several times, have tried to backup and reinstall, have tried refresh folders, have tried the program BackUpTheBat! which seems to find 150 of the folders, but when I import messages, it is only old, deleted messages that comes up. Anybody here have an idea? When I still have 151 folders in Explorer, they must still be there, mustn't they? -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Cannot open file c:\Programmer\SecureBat!\Cookies\engelsk.txt ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
Hallo Britt, On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:49:47 +0200GMT (15-10-02, 23:49 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: BM Tuesday, October 15, 2002 BM Dear tbudl, BM I had my SecureBat! installed on a small part of my partitioned BM harddisk. BM All of a sudden I couldn't send a message from my account malka.com. I BM looked in the log, and it said that I couldn't receive either, because BM there were no more space left on the account. I thought at first that BM the problem was with our Internet Supplyer. BM Several times The Bat! told me that there was a fawlt with folder BM somehting, and if I wanted to correct it now. I started out with BM answering yes, but it seemed to give problems to the program, so I BM answered no. BM Then I shut down SecureBat! BM When I opened it up again, about a 120 of my folders in malka.dk had BM disappeared. BM It seems that they are still on the harddisk. I have now moved BM SecureBat!, but I still cannot see the missing folders. BM I have searched the helpfile and the archive, with no luck. Have BM already tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L several times, have tried to backup and BM reinstall, have tried refresh folders, have tried the program BM BackUpTheBat! which seems to find 150 of the folders, but when I BM import messages, it is only old, deleted messages that comes up. BM Anybody here have an idea? BM When I still have 151 folders in Explorer, they must still be there, BM mustn't they? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders
Hallo Britt, Sorry about the senseless reply I sent, don't know what happened, but I couldn't stop it. On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:49:47 +0200GMT (15-10-02, 23:49 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: BM All of a sudden I couldn't send a message from my account malka.com. I BM looked in the log, and it said that I couldn't receive either, because BM there were no more space left on the account. This and the other problems could be easily explained by lack of diskspace. I don't know why SB wouldn't react properly to Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L. BM I have searched the helpfile and the archive, with no luck. Have BM already tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L several times, have tried to backup and BM reinstall, have tried refresh folders, have tried the program BM BackUpTheBat! which seems to find 150 of the folders, but when I BM import messages, it is only old, deleted messages that comes up. You could try to close SB, copy your folder structure to another disk, delete all messages.tb? in your account tree. Start SB again, Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L again, see if it works now. If it doesn't work, create your folder structure manually (Yuck!). After you've restored your folder structure, close SB and move your messages.tbb files into your new folder tree (take care that you delete any existing messages.tb? files, both .tbb and .tbi) Start SB to see whether it helped. As I've never worked with SB, I'm just supposing the message base is still called messages.tbb with a messages.tbi index. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost Folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi wee, @30 May 2002, 20:22:52 +0100 wee David wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to recover the lost folders? There is an undocumented keystroke of Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L that makes TB search for lost folders. Try that. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60m-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt build 09 beta 3 iQA/AwUBPPaDvDnkJKuSnc2gEQIiGwCeIuRhm5LcSdumo7IfPv8/YkGBnIIAmgJN /PPRZ1x6hy1JEcj5SsIE0wQB =N3T6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
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Hello wee David, On Thu, 30 May 2002 20:22:52 +0100 GMT (31/05/02, 02:22 +0700 GMT), wee David wrote: wD Is it possible to recover the lost folders? Try crtl-alt-shft-L. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf einer Packung Nuesse von American Airlines: Anleitung: Packung oeffnen, Nuesse essen. [Schritt 3: Mit Swissair fliegen] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60m under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
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Hi list, All of a sudden i lost all my folders! AB, sorting rules are still there. I did a restore from a backup (worked fine) but last back up was a few days ago. Is there a way i can recover all the messages saved in my folders after the last back-up and before the crash appeared?? -- Best regards, Luc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Thought for the day : Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. -- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
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Hello Luc, 18. marec 2002, 21:05:12, you wrote: L Hi list, L All of a sudden i lost all my folders! AB, sorting rules are still L there. I did a restore from a backup (worked fine) but last back up L was a few days ago. Is there a way i can recover all the messages L saved in my folders after the last back-up and before the crash L appeared?? Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/50 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] It's always darkest just before the lights go out. -- Clark's Law -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: lost folders F1 F1 F1!!!!!
Hello Luc, 18. marec 2002, 21:15:12, you wrote: JS Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L L I don't know the shortkey for you saved my life but you did ;-) L Tnx a lot You know what's interesting: I still haven't received my original reply... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/50 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] Any simple idea must be worded in the most complicated way. -- Attorneys Operating Principle -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: lost folders F1 F1 F1!!!!!
It was foretold that on 18-3-2002 @ 21:30:39 GMT+0100 (which was 21:30 where I live) Jernej Simoni wrote and spread these wise comments on lost folders F1 F1 F1!: JS You know what's interesting: I still haven't received my original JS reply... I'll do it for you then: Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L LOL -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Thought for the day : Don't worry about the world ending today . . . It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: lost folders F1 F1 F1!!!!!
Hello Luc, 18. marec 2002, 21:52:01, you wrote: JS You know what's interesting: I still haven't received my original JS reply... L I'll do it for you then: Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L Well, it came with your message, so it obviously worked :) -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/50 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] The number of salesmen that will call on you on any given day will be directly proportional to the amount and urgency of the work you have to get done. -- Sam Slick's Sophism Corollary - None of them will be selling anything you want. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: lost folders F1 F1 F1!!!!!
It was foretold that on 18-3-2002 @ 21:30:39 GMT+0100 (which was 21:30 where I live) Jernej Simoni wrote and spread these wise comments on lost folders F1 F1 F1!: JS You know what's interesting: I still haven't received my original JS reply... i'll do it for you then: Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L Lol -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Thought for the day : Read my chips: No new upgrades! -- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Lost folders
Hello Marck, On Monday, June 18, 2001 at 10:03:33 PM you wrote (at least in part): MDP You can move the folders into the MAIL\ folder hierarchy and then use MDP the undocumented Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L hot key to recover missing MDP folders. *DAMN* (sorry :-( ) why's this key-combo undocumented? *g* I just wanted to write to TB's UDL because of a problem yesterday appeared as I read THIS information, that I could have needed yesterday :-( OK, the problem: My girlfried is using TB! for a while now. Although she's not as firm with TB! as me, she's not dumb :-) Yesterday she called me to tell me two mail folders have been disappeared. Suddenly. Without her interaction. the day before yesterday they were both visible in the account-tree, yesterday she missed them. Although she randomly does things she can't exactly explain (I've never clicked this link! ... you know *g*) she's ABSOLUTELY sure she did NOT delete this folders. This sounds reasonable, as TB! let you confirm before deleting a folder. The 'magic' thing is: not only the folders in the account tree disappeared, I wasn't able to find ANY folder with a similar name on the harddisk. Neither in the mail base dir, nor somewhere else on her harddisk. There were two filters I created to automatically store incoming messages to that two folders ... they were not deleted, BUT: the destination folder in BOTH were 'Inbox' what was not what I've set them to. I ran through every single folder in her three account and browsed deleted messages: I did not found them :-( She did not made a Compress on any folder, so all in all it's very mysterious. She used v1.49 as she did not allowed me to update her TB! *g* I know the information I have and give in this mail aren't enough to track down a bug, but did something similar already happened to somebody else??? Marck: do you know where Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L looks for lost folders? Could this help to re-find them? Thx for any comment, and if there's any help: too :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Everything I Need to Know in Life I Learned by Conquering the Galaxy -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Hi there Jamie, Am 29.09.2000 so gegen 09:17 meintest Du: also comes in Linux flavours. The compression tool uses by Class and Paradigm, what better recommendation is there? Now this is really something to look after :) But, hey, they use ACE in RAR files (caus of the multimedia compression) *g* Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Manche haben so ein dickes Fell, das sie auch ohne Rueckgrat stehen -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Hello Rich, On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:28:30 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, September 28, 2000, 22:28:30 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Rich wrote: ACM http://www.rarsoft.com/ R Or the new site http://www.rarsoft.net Or for real cross platform compatibility use WinAce www.winace.com also comes in Linux flavours. The compression tool uses by Class and Paradigm, what better recommendation is there? -- Jamie Dainton On Friday, September 29, 2000 at 08:15:54 The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey APATHY ERROR: Don't bother striking any key. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Hi ArekG, Thursday, September 28, 2000, 1:13:35 AM, you wrote: A I hope, I am not telling you a big secret, but installation version A of TB! *is* a WinRAR self extracting file. So you can simply open A TheBat_Setup.exe in WinRAR and extract all those files you want (like A I do since version 1.44, when I discovered it...). What is "winRAR"? I've never heard of it before. -- Best regards, Arnie -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:09:03 -0400, Arnie wrote: A What is "winRAR"? I've never heard of it before. I use it instead of WinZip. Take a look at: http://www.rarsoft.com/ - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I will defend to your death my right to my opinion. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdOzIfAXeSHuB5k3EQL0tQCg4fGYZ5Ckc+ypDwan2nqk+1DbNysAoMLE 1TgfqpSu/W6013vxZzZ3RFGr =7mwQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Thursday, September 28, 2000, 5:07:45 PM, you wrote: ACM I use it instead of WinZip. Take a look at: ACM http://www.rarsoft.com/ Or the new site http://www.rarsoft.net -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Hello Avenarius, On Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 1:34:50 AM, you wrote: A Oh yeah. For instance: I've never used a regular Bat! version. I A downloaded a beta directly and then kept wondering why I had no help A file present on my system. I still don't have it, because how *could* A I possibly obtain it, without first uninstalling my current beta A version (which I like and don't want to uninstall)? I hope, I am not telling you a big secret, but installation version of TB! *is* a WinRAR self extracting file. So you can simply open TheBat_Setup.exe in WinRAR and extract all those files you want (like I do since version 1.44, when I discovered it...). -- Regards, ArekG [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. Yes, after months of *only* reading TBUDL(and thanks to all - improving my TB!) I decided get out of my silent shell and reveal myself ;))) Best regards from Gdansk, Poland! Arek -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Hi Tony, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:56:45 +0100GMT (26/09/2000, 03:56 +0800GMT), Tony Boom wrote: TB This is how I discovered this phenomenon. The file to fully install TB! TB from fresh is called thebat.exe and is a self extracting installation. TB Version updates, usually beta versions just include the actual bat TB executable, also called thebat.exe. [description of the resulting problems skipped] Never thought of that. This means that "thebat.exe" (the full installation) and "thebat.exe" (the actual program, the executable, The Bat!, the application, ...) should have different names. I certainly agree with this. For example, "thebat.exe" could be called "batinst.exe", whereas "thebat.exe" could keep the name "thebat.exe". -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
Hi Thomas, TF Never thought of that. This means that "thebat.exe" (the full TF installation) and "thebat.exe" (the actual program, the executable, TF The Bat!, the application, ...) should have different names. TF I certainly agree with this. For example, "thebat.exe" could be called TF "batinst.exe", whereas "thebat.exe" could keep the name "thebat.exe". That's why I always put the version in the file name when I download a new version. BTW, somebody interested in the_bat11.exe from nov-98? :-) -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.45 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that Wolfgang Kynast said on Tuesday, September 26, 2000: TF Never thought of that. This means that "thebat.exe" (the full TF installation) and "thebat.exe" (the actual program, the executable, TF The Bat!, the application, ...) should have different names. TF I certainly agree with this. For example, "thebat.exe" could be called TF "batinst.exe", whereas "thebat.exe" could keep the name "thebat.exe". That's why I always put the version in the file name when I download a new version. The icon on the install program (the little postage stamp with the bat, same as the executable) doesn't help either. Since there isn't a 16-bit Windows version and you don't have to worry about 8.3 filenames, why not call it TheBat_Setup.exe? I stick it in an Install directory in TheBat!'s tree (along with my registration page) whenever I get it, but I could see where somebody much less perspicacious than I might put the wrong file in the wrong place some day. Of course, that could *never* happen to me. -- Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen crispen at hiwaay dot net Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
