Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello MFPA, On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Perhaps somebody using M wanadoo.fr as their isp is experiencing intermittent problems M receiving messages from this list? Coming in late here but I'm not so much having problems as duplicate messages arriving all of a sudden, particularly from Mary and MAU. It's only occasionally but strange that it has just happened in the last week or so. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5.25 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 6:09 PM, you wrote: MB I think Microsoft announced a patch to fix the macros vulnerability, MB some time back. Macros are executable code (Visual Basic in Excel, I will assume it's the same in Word). That's not a vulnerability per se, it's the point of it. If someone wants to write malicious code, there is no MS patch that can prevent him from doing it - unless the patch disables macros altogether. Here's what I was talking about: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=824934 = SUMMARY Microsoft has released an update to Microsoft Word 2002. This update resolves a flaw in Word 2002 that could allow unsigned macros in specially crafted documents to run automatically regardless of the macro security level settings of the user. This Word 2002 update is part of the continued effort by Microsoft to provide the latest product updates to customers. This article describes how to download and install the Word 2002 Security Patch: KB824934. == So, you're right. The patch only allows a warning to be issued. Are we OT yet? I do verily believe so. CCing to TBOT, although I know you're probably on your way to China by now. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello MFPA! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 9:49 AM, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) has returned a couple of list messages to me recently. I mean messages that I posted and which appeared on TBUDL. Perhaps somebody using wanadoo.fr as their isp is experiencing intermittent problems receiving messages from this list? Happened to me this morning, and I was so paranoid about a possible spoof--since the returned message was presented as an attachment--and I knew I had sent no messages recently to anyone with a wanadoo domain--that I first scanned the attachment with F-Secure and TDS-3--and then, scared of it still, deleted it off the Desktop (where I had put it for the scan) and emptied the Recycle bin. Then I deleted it and the message, separately in TB!, and purged and compressed the TB! trash. Didn't even think about it having been a returned TBUDL message. So thanks for the info, with subsequent peace of mind for me. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Mary, On Saturday, June 4, 2005, 5:06:30 PM, which was 6:48:29 PM where I am, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) has returned a couple of list messages to me recently. I mean messages that I posted and which appeared on TBUDL. Perhaps somebody using wanadoo.fr as their isp is experiencing intermittent problems receiving messages from this list? MB Happened to me this morning, and I was so paranoid about a possible MB spoof--since the returned message was presented as an attachment--and MB I knew I had sent no messages recently to anyone with a wanadoo MB domain--that I first scanned the attachment with F-Secure and MB TDS-3--and then, scared of it still, deleted it off the Desktop (where MB I had put it for the scan) and emptied the Recycle bin. MB Then I deleted it and the message, separately in TB!, and purged and MB compressed the TB! trash. MB Didn't even think about it having been a returned TBUDL message. You are obviously extremely careful. Do F-Secure and TDS-3 not scan all incoming emails and attachements _automatically_ ? If so, there would surely be no need to save the attachment to desktop and then re-do a scan... ? -- Just curious, Regards, Maurice Using The Bat! 3.5, under Windows XP Pro, SP2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Maurice! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 11:58 AM, you wrote: You are obviously extremely careful. Do F-Secure and TDS-3 not scan all incoming emails and attachements _automatically_ ? If so, there would surely be no need to save the attachment to desktop and then re-do a scan... ? F-Secure automatically scans message bodies but not attachment interiors. It will, however, scan the attachment if you click on it and warn you if you've opened a worm or virus. TDS-3 also has something called exec protection and will warn if you click on a dangerous executable. I simply preferred not to click on the attachment, in case my protective programs *might* misfire. Really, I considered not even downloading the message from the Message Dispatcher when I saw it. But then, I do have a couple of friends who use wannado, and at first I thought I'd just see what message was being returned. Having it returned as an attachment completely spooked me. grin -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Mary, On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:06:30 -0500 GMT (04/06/2005, 22:06 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB Happened to me this morning, and I was so paranoid about a possible MB spoof--since the returned message was presented as an attachment--and MB I knew I had sent no messages recently to anyone with a wanadoo MB domain--that I first scanned the attachment with F-Secure and MB TDS-3--and then, scared of it still, deleted it off the Desktop (where MB I had put it for the scan) and emptied the Recycle bin. If the attachment is a file with .msg extension, you can click on it, because it will open in TB (make sure this extension is active in Options / Preferences / Applications, though). If it is an executable file, your precautions are laudable. -- Cheers, Thomas. 7.Ihr Nachbar geht Ihnen auf den Wecker, weil er nachts um vier so laut klopft, das die Gaeste Ihrer Techno-Party dauernd aus dem Rhythmus kommen. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 12:53 PM, you wrote: MB Happened to me this morning, and I was so paranoid about a possible MB spoof--since the returned message was presented as an attachment--and MB I knew I had sent no messages recently to anyone with a wanadoo MB domain--that I first scanned the attachment with F-Secure and MB TDS-3--and then, scared of it still, deleted it off the Desktop (where MB I had put it for the scan) and emptied the Recycle bin. If the attachment is a file with .msg extension, you can click on it, because it will open in TB (make sure this extension is active in Options / Preferences / Applications, though). If it is an executable file, your precautions are laudable. Thanks. This should save me some anxious moments of dithering in the future. (.msg is active; I can't get the .eml association to stick, though.) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Mary, On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:25 -0500 GMT (05/06/2005, 01:14 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB (.msg is active; I can't get the .eml association to stick, MB though.) Sticks here, and I think you might have another application that steals it. Do you use Outlook at all? -- Cheers, Thomas. What to not say to the nice policeman: I was going to be a cop, but I decided to finish high school instead. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 1:33 PM, you wrote: MB (.msg is active; I can't get the .eml association to stick, MB though.) Sticks here, and I think you might have another application that steals it. Do you use Outlook at all? No, but Outlook Express is still on my machine. I think it comes with Microsoft's Internet Explorer. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Thomas, On Saturday, June 4, 2005, 7:53:43 PM, which was 8:41:22 PM where I am, you wrote: MB Happened to me this morning, and I was so paranoid about a possible MB spoof--since the returned message was presented as an attachment--and MB I knew I had sent no messages recently to anyone with a wanadoo MB domain--that I first scanned the attachment with F-Secure and MB TDS-3--and then, scared of it still, deleted it off the Desktop (where MB I had put it for the scan) and emptied the Recycle bin. TF If the attachment is a file with .msg extension, you can click on it, TF because it will open in TB (make sure this extension is active in TF Options / Preferences / Applications, though). If it is an executable TF file, your precautions are laudable. Are Word files (with possible macros) something I should worry about - in other words, first download, and then scan every single attached document ? -- Regards, Maurice - Using The Bat! 3.5, under Windows XP Pro SP2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Maurice, On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:51:45 +0200 GMT (05/06/2005, 01:51 +0700 GMT), Maurice McAdam wrote: MM Are Word files (with possible macros) something I should worry about - MM in other words, first download, and then scan every single attached MM document ? I am not very sure about Word. Does Word use macros? If so, it's a yes. Excel file can contain macros, so that's a file you should scan (or disable macros from within Excel itself) and if in doubt, delete. -- Cheers, Thomas. The Bagginses, they steals our taglines, preciou Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Mary, On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:46:54 -0500 GMT (05/06/2005, 01:46 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB No, but Outlook Express is still on my machine. I think it comes with MB Microsoft's Internet Explorer. There is no OL/OE installed on my machine, but I do use IE6 occasionally. -- Cheers, Thomas. Hairdressing while you wait. (Seen at a Dublin hairdresser's) Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Maurice! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 1:51 PM, you wrote: TF If the attachment is a file with .msg extension, you can click on it, TF because it will open in TB (make sure this extension is active in TF Options / Preferences / Applications, though). If it is an executable TF file, your precautions are laudable. Are Word files (with possible macros) something I should worry about - in other words, first download, and then scan every single attached document ? I think Microsoft announced a patch to fix the macros vulnerability, some time back. Unfortunately, MS doesn't like to let me download patches, ever since I got XP SP2. Wants to Update XP with Automatic Updates, but of course doesn't sent MS-Office patches that route. I couldn't get this done, even though I was using the Internet Explorer as browser, trying to do it. I don't scan the attachments my sister sends me, but she always sends me an announcing e-mail before she sends the attachment. I think you would be pretty safe to open any attachment, provided always that you have a good AV program running and *additionally* a background-running Trojan detector (the only one I know of that does that is TDS-3) and a spyware detector, like SpywareBlaster, also running in the background. Again, SpywareBlaster is the only program I know that catches Spyware as it appears and doesn't just remove after-the-fact. I happen to be a super-cautious person. That's why I go to the inconvenience of scanning any attachment that I wasn't expecting to arrive. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
--On 4 June 2005 14:07 -0500 Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a background-running Trojan detector (the only one I know of that does that is TDS-3) Mary, hopefully you're aware that excellent though TDS-3 is (it's the one anti-trojan prog I use for cleaning clients' machines when all else fails) it doesn't offer real time protection UNLESS you have 'application protection' enabled. There are other anti-trojan progs that do give this by default though, BOClean and Trojan Hunter spring to mind. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Clive! On Saturday, June 04, 2005, 2:30 PM, you wrote: a background-running Trojan detector (the only one I know of that does that is TDS-3) Mary, hopefully you're aware that excellent though TDS-3 is (it's the one anti-trojan prog I use for cleaning clients' machines when all else fails) it doesn't offer real time protection UNLESS you have 'application protection' enabled. Yes. I do have it enabled. But that's a very good point and should be made here, for anyone who might decide to use it because I praised it. There are other anti-trojan progs that do give this by default though, BOClean and Trojan Hunter spring to mind. Ah. I didn't know they had real-time protection. The very fine Trojan Remover from Simply Super Software, which I also keep on my machine, does not offer a real-time protection option--just will clean after-the-fact. Thanks for mentioning the others. And of course, any anti-malware program will only be at its optimum if one keeps it updated. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Mary Bull writes: F-Secure automatically scans message bodies but not attachment interiors. It will, however, scan the attachment if you click on it and warn you if you've opened a worm or virus. You can press F9 and look at the raw message and determine in a few seconds if it's hazardous or not. If it doesn't contain an executable attachment, you can open it. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Maurice McAdam writes: Are Word files (with possible macros) something I should worry about - in other words, first download, and then scan every single attached document ? Word files are only dangerous if you open them with Word. If you want to view them safely, you can download and install Microsoft's free Word Viewer, which lets you open and view Word files but does not permit modification. It also won't execute macros, which is why it's safe. Similar viewers exist for Excel, PowerPoint, etc. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [OT] wanadoo.fr bouncing list messages
Hello Mary, On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:07:25 -0500 GMT (05/06/2005, 02:07 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB I think Microsoft announced a patch to fix the macros vulnerability, MB some time back. Macros are executable code (Visual Basic in Excel, I will assume it's the same in Word). That's not a vulnerability per se, it's the point of it. If someone wants to write malicious code, there is no MS patch that can prevent him from doing it - unless the patch disables macros altogether. Are we OT yet? -- Cheers, Thomas. My mouse got into my computer and chewed up the internet. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
