Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Avenarius,

On 27 September 2000 at 01:34:48 GMT +0200 (which was 00:34 where I
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of "Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)":

RBBC>> And finally, folks who buy it in Europe, it's not like you're
RBBC>> paying for it with real money. ;-)

A> that currency is so sh that most bat users here don't
A> care to pay for bat at all.

Alex.  Please  refrain  from using language like that. It is expressly
forbidden  in  the  list  rules.  Another  list  rule  is  that when a
Moderator ask for a line of discussion to stop, it should stop. I have
done so with this thread *twice* now.

Enough.

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Rev.,

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:33:06 -0500 GMT (26/09/2000, 07:33 +0800 GMT),
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote:

RBBC> And mine: if TheBat!roSoft goes out of business tomorrow (God
RBBC> forbid!), I'll still have an email program I like a lot.

Me to: the current version of TB. ;-)

RBBC> And finally, folks who buy it in Europe, it's not like you're paying
RBBC> for it with real money.  ;-)

Nasty, nasty. BTW I paid by credit card which billed to me in Taiwan
dollars. Real money, as I had to work for it, too! ;-)

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Re: OT: Good newsreaders, was Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Paula Ford]

On Monday, September 25, 2000, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hmmm, i'm also on the hunt for a good newsreader that can do off-line
> reading. Gravity is good, the best so far, but i don't like the fact
> that you'll have to go through *all* articles in a thread and tag them
> separately instead of tagging the whole thread.

Not sure what you mean by "tagging", but you can mark entire threads for
downloading, which is what Gravity calls "tagging", or watching or
ignoring, and also mark threads "important" or "protected". No need to
mark each thread. You can also construct rules to do the marking for
you.

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Re: OT: Good newsreaders, was Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Rob]

> If only there would be an off-line newsreader as good as The Bat!...
> Suggestions, anyone?

ever heard of NewsPro ? i haven't tried it, but their approach sounds very 
interesting ... see :
http://www.usenetpro.com/

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Tobias Wrede]

Hello Thomas,

On Montag, 25. September 2000 at 14:24:20 you wrote:

> If you can translate the interface into Swedish, I think they might
> just let you have a try... :-)

Thanks for your believe in my abilities. But I doubt that having been
in Sweden now for not quite two months and a four week Swedish crash
course qulify me to do that job. :-)

so long
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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Tobias,

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:13:23 +0200GMT (25/09/2000, 20:13 +0800GMT),
Tobias Wrede wrote:

TW> It would be nice to be able to switch to Swedish. That way I might
TW> improve my Swedish in this technical area.

I think the translation into Swedish was done by a gentle volunteer
(I know that about some other languages, but in fact not about
Swedish). In the meantime, so many new features have come up, that it
became a half-English, half-Swedish interface.

If you can translate the interface into Swedish, I think they might
just let you have a try... :-)

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Tobias Wrede]

Hello Thomas,

On Freitag, 22. September 2000 at 15:10:51 you wrote:

> Funny, in my list of langauges Swedish is mentioned, but I click on
> it, the interface language remains to be English.

In my list Swedish isnt mentioned but when I tried the 17 available
languages they all changed to the designated language (or at least
they changed, I couldnt always tell if it was the right one), except
for French which changed the language to English.

It would be nice to be able to switch to Swedish. That way I might
improve my Swedish in this technical area.

so long
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OT: Good newsreaders, was Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Krister Ekstrom]

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ML> Before I find a better alternative (XNews and Gravity come close,
ML> but not suiting me as well as Agent, for now), I'll keep using
ML> Agent, but I'm not longing for miracles anymore.

Hmmm, i'm also on the hunt for a good newsreader that can do off-line
reading. Gravity is good, the best so far, but i don't like the fact
that you'll have to go through *all* articles in a thread and tag them
separately instead of tagging the whole thread. I hope i'm wrong
there. I have some plans to look at Newsrover, and i have checked out
both OUI and Virtual Access, but they aren't as good as i want them.
I've also checked out BKNews, the plugin for Becky and though it's
desent it didn't convince me to make the switch.
If only there would be an off-line newsreader as good as The Bat!...
Suggestions, anyone?
Feel free to contact me off-list as well as here.





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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Ming-Li]

On Sunday, September 24, 2000, 12:21:16 AM, Tim wrote:

>>> My bigger worry, though, is some software giant would gobble up
>>> RIT and turn TB into junkware or kill it (or its development, as
>>> in Forte Agent's case).

KS>> Exactly.

> OT, do you know what exactly happened to Agent? I've been using it
> for years and have finally been forced to give up because of the
> lack of subfolders.

Exactly? No, I don't follow them that closely. What I remember is
their development slow down significantly after v1.5, then got
gobbled up by a company called Genesys Telecom. Lab. in early 1998,
which happened to be interested only in Forte's Adante product line.

Though Forte never officially announced Agent dead (and an Agent
support staff active in newsgroups kept telling us that they haven't
decided anything yet), many users (me included) had the feeling back
then that Agent would be abandoned.

As Y2k approached, people got worried about Agent's Y2k
compatibility, and urged Forte to at least update Agent to be
Y2k-compliant. They did, and surprised us with some extra (albeit
small) enhancements in Agent 1.7 and later 1.8.

Then it stopped again. :( Various sources have said they have no
plan for its further development.

Before I find a better alternative (XNews and Gravity come close,
but not suiting me as well as Agent, for now), I'll keep using
Agent, but I'm not longing for miracles anymore.

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Karin Spaink]

On 23-09-2000 at 15:43, Ming-Li kindly wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 12:14:17 PM, Karin wrote:

>> I have one other, rather important worry: continuity.
>> TB is produced by a small company and written and maintained
>> by a team of only two programmers ...

> My bigger worry, though, is some software giant would gobble up RIT
> and turn TB into junkware or kill it (or its development, as in
> Forte Agent's case). Some companies are very good at such things (MS
> and Symantec sprint to mind).

Exactly.

> Worried as I was, I decided TB worth the risk. And the price isn't
> too large since TB can export its message bases to standard unix
> mbox format, which can be imported into virtually any email
> software. As long as the emergency exit is there, I won't loose my
> sleep.

After checking out TB's export functions, I reasoned the
same: _if_ TB would be discontinued, I could either continue
using the latest / least buggy / most suitable version, or
I can start looking for a new mail client, export mail and
start
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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Ming-Li]

On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 12:14:17 PM, Karin wrote:

> I have one other, rather important worry: continuity.

> TB is produced by a small company and written and maintained
> by a team of only two programmers (and four people doing
> other stuff). While I enjoy supporting small companies (yes,
> I do pay for nifty and ingenious programs: cracks I only use
> for expensive programs produced by fat companies that I only
> use once per month) I _do_ wondering whether the company
> producing TB will survive. _Will_ we have a V2.0? Will bugs
> be resolved?

I thought about it, too, when contemplating my own migration a few
months ago. I agreed with others' observation that RIT is
responsive, the support group is great and ever growing, and the
user base is probably large enough for RIT to survive.

My bigger worry, though, is some software giant would gobble up RIT
and turn TB into junkware or kill it (or its development, as in
Forte Agent's case). Some companies are very good at such things (MS
and Symantec sprint to mind).

Worried as I was, I decided TB worth the risk. And the price isn't
too large since TB can export its message bases to standard unix
mbox format, which can be imported into virtually any email
software. As long as the emergency exit is there, I won't loose my
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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Krister,

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:52:08 +0200GMT (22/09/2000, 19:52 +0800GMT),
Krister Ekstrom wrote:

KE> Well since i totally missed the original thread, because my columns
KE> were too short to show the whole subject, (anyone know what to do
KE> about that?)

You can drag the borders between the columns. That's in the title bar
where the column names are listed; the vertical lines between the
names of the columns can be dragged right and left, widening the whole
column undereneath them. Remark: it's the same black-on-grey colour as
the headers.

Alternative: right-click on the title bar. The pop-up shows Available
Items, Slected Items, and column Width. Select any one the Selected
Items, and the actual column width in pixels is shown and can be
changed.

KE> i checked TB out long long ago when it was new on the market. Then
KE> you could have Swedish as your interface language, (isn't that
KE> possible anymore?),

Funny, in my list of langauges Swedish is mentioned, but I click on
it, the interface language remains to be English.

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Krister Ekstrom]

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Hi!

Well since i totally missed the original thread, because my columns
were too short to show the whole subject, (anyone know what to do
about that?) i checked TB out long long ago when it was new on the
market. Then you could have Swedish as your interface language, (isn't
that possible anymore?), but i dumped it, because i didn't think it
worked well enough at that time. Then i tried about every mail client
they said were good, but someone wasn't usable because of non-standard
controls and some were just plain boring.





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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Soth,

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:29:32 -0400GMT (22/09/2000, 03:29 +0800GMT),
Soth wrote:

S> :-)  I think that I can answer this for all of us.  I firmly believe
S> that the TB! community has grown enough so that if (this IS only
S> hypothetical) Ritlabs stopped work on it, the torch would be picked up
S> by others.  I know that I, for one, would love (and be honoured) to be
S> included in such a project...  No, I don't think that we have to worry
S> about TB! dying because of lack of development or support...

Count me in. ;-)

S> Oh, and to follow the original thread...

It was recommended to me by my friend of 20 years, Andreas
Rumpenhorst, who is still active on TBBETA, TBDT and TBOT, but not in
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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Peter Steiner]

Hello Karin

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:14:17 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote:

KS> I am still not sure whether I'll migrate to The Bat. Apart
>>from my complaints about the editor (habit does decrease the
KS> intensity of the complaint, I might add), I have one other,
KS> rather important worry: continuity.

[skip]

KS> I don't want to find myself in the position of having to
KS> migrate from the one e-mail client to the other _again_...

As others pointed out, the probability of TBs death is very small. But
there could be other reasons to change to another mail client: one
with a streamlined GUI _and_ TBs features or one that allows using an
external editor _and_ TBs features or a Linux client with TBs features
or...

New programs emerge when you don't expect them...

When i evaluated a mail client (and then started using TB), one of the
most important features is a working export to a standard format (UNIX
mailbox), so that porting the message base to another client would be
possible. This requirement alone is a big obstacle for, say, OE...

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Gary]

Hi Karin,

On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 2:14 PM, you pressed your plastic
keys in the following order, causing in part, about "Company
continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)":

K> TB is produced by a small company and written and maintained by a
K> team of only two programmers (and four people doing other stuff).

I ask you, have you ever seen such responsiveness from a company
though.  If you stick around, you will find that Max and Stefan really
respond to requests, ideas, etc.  There have been times in the past,
where we have had 5 or 6 new betas to play with in just over a week. I
mean, sometimes we were getting one a day for awhile 

I have never seen this before, this output and personalized kind of
attention, and "listening" from a company.  At times, you feel like
"family" almost. You just don't see this with Eudora, M$, or anyone
else except in the smaller, responsive company.  These guys are young,
smart, and committed.  TB! has had tremendous growth, and will be
around for a long time.

Regarding the editor, I have been using Xemacs as an editor at times,
although I am quite accustomed by now using TB! own, (yes it is ported
to Windows) and cut-and-paste into TB!  Since I use it in Linux, it
was a natural tie-in.

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Re: Company continuity (was: Curious - how did you find TB! ?)

[Soth]

> I am still not sure whether I'll migrate to The Bat. Apart
> from my complaints about the editor (habit does decrease the
> intensity of the complaint, I might add), I have one other,
> rather important worry: continuity.

> TB is produced by a small company and written and maintained
> by a team of only two programmers (and four people doing
> other stuff). While I enjoy supporting small companies (yes,
> I do pay for nifty and ingenious programs: cracks I only use
> for expensive programs produced by fat companies that I only
> use once per month) I _do_ wondering whether the company
> producing TB will survive. _Will_ we have a V2.0? Will bugs
> be resolved?

:-)  I think that I can answer this for all of us.  I firmly believe
that the TB! community has grown enough so that if (this IS only
hypothetical) Ritlabs stopped work on it, the torch would be picked up
by others.  I know that I, for one, would love (and be honoured) to be
included in such a project...  No, I don't think that we have to worry
about TB! dying because of lack of development or support...

Oh, and to follow the original thread... I was desperately searching for
a decent email client, and tried practically everyone that Tucows offered
at the time (4 years ago?  I forget)  But, once I ran across TB! I
stayed with it... I only stopped using it once, but the bug that caused
me to was squashed aeons ago. ;-)

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