Re: DNS problem?
Dear Syafril, on Thursday, January 20, 2000, 03:41, you wrote: MH [snip] SH - Name=airtraffic.de SH Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), SH RDLENGTH=20 SH Preference=20, Mail Exchange=avalon.iks-jena.de MH ^^^ MH This *is* my new provider! SH Preference=10, Mail Exchange=excalibur.iks-jena.de MH^^^ MH And this as well. Nonetheless, TBUDL mail (and TBUDL mail only) is still MH coming through the old one. Strange, isn't it? MH What to do about that? SH Nothing, wait till DNS Server refresh the data (I can change the the SH cache data manually, but it takes time, sorry ). Have you got an idea how much? Four days have gone since your last posting to this issue, TBUDL mail is *still* coming in through the old server. And today it is 14 days since I switched to another ISP ... Best regards, -- Michael Heydekamp AIR TRAFFIC Euro Charter GmbH eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.airtraffic.de *--* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a PIII/450, 128MB RAM, 10GB Harddisk in a NetWare 3.12 network environment *--* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Hello Michael Heydekamp, On Monday, January 24, 2000 at 11:10:13 GMT +0100 (which was 24/01/2000 17:10 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: [ ... ] MH Have you got an idea how much? Four days have gone since your last MH posting to this issue, TBUDL mail is *still* coming in through the old MH server. MH And today it is 14 days since I switched to another ISP ... It seems my DNS not renewal the cache, perhaps "serial problem". OK I just "forcing to update", hope now you receiving this message from your new Server. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 24, 2000, 18:46:13 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Monday, January 24, 2000 at 12:10:25 GMT + (which was 24/01/2000 19:10 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: [ ... ] MDP Syafril: Something's going wrong here. What does the MD internal MDP cache show for this domain? Still refer to the old one, because if I delete it, it will refresh from my DNS Server (which still refer to old airtraffic.de server). MDP Can you check and possibly exempt the domain from caching to MDP ensure that it always does the DNS lookup? Sure, I just force to change airtraffic.de's MX ip addresses at MX cache, also change the primary DNS who the server will refer to. Now, I believe Michael will receive in the new server (Michael please confirm). -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 24, 2000, 19:20:21 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Dear Syafril, on Monday, January 24, 2000, 12:48, you wrote: SH It seems my DNS not renewal the cache, perhaps "serial problem". SH OK I just "forcing to update", hope now you receiving this message SH from your new Server. Yes, I do! In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you said: SH Now, I believe Michael will receive in the new server (Michael please SH confirm). I'm happy to confirm. Thanks for your efforts, Syafril. Best regards, -- Michael Heydekamp AIR TRAFFIC Euro Charter GmbH eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.airtraffic.de *--* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a PIII/450, 128MB RAM, 10GB Harddisk in a NetWare 3.12 network environment *--* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Dear Syafril, on Monday, January 24, 2000, 13:28, you wrote: MDP Syafril: Something's going wrong here. What does the MD internal MDP cache show for this domain? SH Still refer to the old one, because if I delete it, it will refresh SH from my DNS Server (which still refer to old airtraffic.de server). MDP Can you check and possibly exempt the domain from caching to MDP ensure that it always does the DNS lookup? SH Sure, I just force to change airtraffic.de's MX ip addresses at MX SH cache, also change the primary DNS who the server will refer to. Well, thank you for that, but ... I believe this is not the "normal" way it should work, right? I mean if you would always have to intervent manually just because someone changed his ISP ... Thus I think to find (and eliminate) the reason in order to prevent this hassle in the future is still a good idea. Best regards, -- Michael Heydekamp AIR TRAFFIC Euro Charter GmbH eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.airtraffic.de *--* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a PIII/450, 128MB RAM, 10GB Harddisk in a NetWare 3.12 network environment *--* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Hello Michael Heydekamp, On Monday, January 24, 2000 at 15:23:36 GMT +0100 (which was 24/01/2000 21:23 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: MDP Syafril: Something's going wrong here. What does the MD MDP internal cache show for this domain? SH Still refer to the old one, because if I delete it, it will SH refresh from my DNS Server (which still refer to old SH airtraffic.de server). MDP Can you check and possibly exempt the domain from caching to MDP ensure that it always does the DNS lookup? SH Sure, I just force to change airtraffic.de's MX ip addresses at MX SH cache, also change the primary DNS who the server will refer to. MH Well, thank you for that, but ... This means you confirm that you receive TBUDL mesaages at your new server ? MH I believe this is not the "normal" way it should work, right? Indeed. MH I mean if you would always have to intervent manually just because MH someone changed his ISP ... Never done before, IMHO, I need it only for domain who refer to "lame" Name Server (try to ask your new ISP, check his log of Name Server, if there is "lame error", I need some "confirmation" to find the problem), or if my Name Server cache courupted (tomorrow I will check the cache of my other Name Server). MH Thus I think to find (and eliminate) the reason in order to MH prevent this hassle in the future is still a good idea. You right, I will check Name Server log tomorrow, to find out what's the real problem. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, January 24, 2000, 21:44:50 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Dear Syafril, on Monday, January 24, 2000, 15:55, you wrote: MH Well, thank you for that, but ... SH This means you confirm that you receive TBUDL mesaages at your new SH server ? Yup - you should have received my msg [EMAIL PROTECTED] where I said: - - - - - SH Now, I believe Michael will receive in the new server (Michael please SH confirm). MH I'm happy to confirm. Thanks for your efforts, Syafril. - - - - - MH I believe this is not the "normal" way it should work, right? SH Indeed. MH I mean if you would always have to intervent manually just because MH someone changed his ISP ... SH Never done before, IMHO, I need it only for domain who refer to SH "lame" Name Server (try to ask your new ISP, check his log of Name SH Server, if there is "lame error", I need some "confirmation" to find SH the problem), or if my Name Server cache courupted (tomorrow I will SH check the cache of my other Name Server). My new ISP states that everything is OK at his end (have you ever heard of an ISP saying something different?). ;-) But, honestly, my new ISP is a really professional one, thus I assume that the problem is either a) at my old ISP, or b) somewhere at TBUDL. Please consider that as a matter of fact TBUDL mail was the only mail whatsoever that still came in through the old ISP. Thus case b) is more likely than case a) above. MH Thus I think to find (and eliminate) the reason in order to MH prevent this hassle in the future is still a good idea. SH You right, I will check Name Server log tomorrow, to find out what's SH the real problem. Good luck! Best regards, -- Michael Heydekamp AIR TRAFFIC Euro Charter GmbH eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.airtraffic.de *--* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a PIII/450, 128MB RAM, 10GB Harddisk in a NetWare 3.12 network environment *--* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Hello Michael Heydekamp, On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 at 18:50:02 GMT +0100 (which was 25/01/2000 0:50 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: [ ... ] MH Yup - you should have received my msg [EMAIL PROTECTED] where MH I said: MH - - - - - SH Now, I believe Michael will receive in the new server (Michael please SH confirm). MH I'm happy to confirm. Thanks for your efforts, Syafril. MH - - - - - Yep, sorry I read via Web-mail at that time, now I found it. MH My new ISP states that everything is OK at his end (have you ever MH heard of an ISP saying something different?). ;-) You right :-) MH But, honestly, my new ISP is a really professional one, thus I MH assume that the problem is either a) at my old ISP, or b) MH somewhere at TBUDL. MH Please consider that as a matter of fact TBUDL mail was the only MH mail whatsoever that still came in through the old ISP. Thus case MH b) is more likely than case a) above. The problem at my secondary DNS Server, i.e Cache File Courupted. This happen sometimes if in the process of DNS Query the connection broke (due to system shutdown, run out of HDD space or any other reason). Sorry for that. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 8:21:32 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Dear Syafril, on Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 20:26, you wrote: SH Normally, if we moved domain zone from one Name Server to others it SH needs 7-days to be effective (this is default TTL for BIND 8.x; for SH 4.x or NT DNS the default 3-days). 7 days? Both my old and my new ISP spoke about 24-48 hours. Why is it that long? SH Our server will check to *Authorize* DNS for your domain, and will SH refresh as mentioned on TTL setting of that DNS. SH This is last info from our DNS (who the List refer to). [snip] SH - Name=airtraffic.de SH Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), SH RDLENGTH=20 SH Preference=20, Mail Exchange=avalon.iks-jena.de ^^^ This *is* my new provider! SH Preference=10, Mail Exchange=excalibur.iks-jena.de ^^^ And this as well. Nonetheless, TBUDL mail (and TBUDL mail only) is still coming through the old one. Strange, isn't it? What to do about that? Best regards, -- Michael Heydekamp AIR TRAFFIC Euro Charter GmbH eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.airtraffic.de *--* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a PIII/450, 128MB RAM, 10GB Harddisk in a NetWare 3.12 network environment *--* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Hi Michael, On 19 January 2000 at 19:38:28 GMT +0100 (which was 18:38 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: This is last info from our DNS (who the List refer to). SH Other possibilities, my Name Server didn't receive broadcast from SH your new DNS, see below, the backup of our DNS Server indicate SH different setting (perhaps this one your old DNS) which will refresh SH next 3 hours : MH [snip] MH This all doesn't say too much to me, but what I know is that the 3 hours MH you mentioned above are over since 22 hours and that TBUDL mail is still MH coming in through the old server. Well, I just dived in and removed the IP cache entry for airtraffic.de, which still had 21 hours to live (out of about 7 days). Shall we see if that sorts out the problem? -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Hello Michael Heydekamp, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 at 19:32:08 [GMT +0100] your local time which was Thursday, January 20, 2000 1:32:08 [GMT +0700] my local time, you told to the list: SH Normally, if we moved domain zone from one Name Server to others SH it needs 7-days to be effective (this is default TTL for BIND SH 8.x; for 4.x or NT DNS the default 3-days). MH 7 days? Both my old and my new ISP spoke about 24-48 hours. Why is MH it that long? That's the default setting. If someone want to move Authoritive DNS Resurce Record from one Server to others, generally he will setting down the TTL to (say) 1 hour (as Steve mentioned), wait for a week than move there. Other trick (to speed up the process) : delete the domain zone from old DNS Server or (better) set as Non Authoritive as soon as new DNS Server active, so any DNS Query for that domain will refer to ROOT Domain (InterNIC or Country-NIC). MH [snip] SH - Name=airtraffic.de SH Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), SH RDLENGTH=20 SH Preference=20, Mail Exchange=avalon.iks-jena.de MH ^^^ MH This *is* my new provider! SH Preference=10, Mail Exchange=excalibur.iks-jena.de MH^^^ MH And this as well. Nonetheless, TBUDL mail (and TBUDL mail only) is still MH coming through the old one. Strange, isn't it? MH What to do about that? Nothing, wait till DNS Server refresh the data (I can change the the cache data manually, but it takes time, sorry ). -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.39 (reg) under Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 6 Created : Thursday, January 20, 2000, 9:32:56 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
-Original Message- From: Michael Heydekamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:55:44 +0100 Subject: DNS problem? on Jan 10th our domain was finally moved to another ISP, about two days later the whole mail traffic came in via the new mail server. Normally, if we moved domain zone from one Name Server to others it needs 7-days to be effective (this is default TTL for BIND 8.x; for 4.x or NT DNS the default 3-days). Except all the incoming mail of TBUDL - this is still going to our former ISP and I still have to fetch it from there (fortunately our account there is not deleted yet). Does any of the experts here have an idea what's going on and what I can do about that? Shouldn't they also in Indonesia be aware of the new DNS data? Our server will check to *Authorize* DNS for your domain, and will refresh as mentioned on TTL setting of that DNS. This is last info from our DNS (who the List refer to). Wednesday, January 19, 2000 02:18:14AM Name Server LookUp for airtraffic.de Search Type: MX - Mail exchange Name Server: 202.134.1.242 Header: ID=48233, QR=Response, Opcode=QUERY, RCODE=NO ERROR Authoritative Answer=No, Truncation=No Recursion Desired=Yes, Recursion Available=Yes QDCOUNT=1, ANCOUNT=3, NSCOUNT=0, ARCOUNT=3 Question: Name=airtraffic.de, QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=1 Answer Section: - Name=airtraffic.de Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), RDLENGTH=20 Preference=20, Mail Exchange=avalon.iks-jena.de - Name=airtraffic.de Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), RDLENGTH=14 Preference=100, Mail Exchange=mail.ecrc.de - Name=airtraffic.de Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), RDLENGTH=14 Preference=10, Mail Exchange=excalibur.iks-jena.de Additional Records Section: - Name=avalon.iks-jena.de Type=A, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), RDLENGTH=4 IP Address=194.221.90.34 - Name=mail.ecrc.de Type=A, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), RDLENGTH=4 IP Address=141.1.1.10 - Name=excalibur.iks-jena.de Type=A, Class=1, TTL=57194 (15 Hours 53 Minutes 14 Seconds), RDLENGTH=4 IP Address=194.221.90.35 --- - syafril - Created by WorldClient for Mdaemon. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 10:55:44 AM, Michael wrote: Does any of the experts here have an idea what's going on and what I can do about that? Shouldn't they also in Indonesia be aware of the new DNS data? Depends on the expire time on the zone file. If it is set to a week with, say, a 5 day refresh they will use the cached data until they shut down their server, the refresh or expire happens. Generally when you move DNS it is good to inform the old DNS holder to lower the refresh/expire times to hours instead of days where it normally is. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DNS problem?
-Original Message- From: "Syafril Hermansyah" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 02:26:23 +0700 Subject: Re: DNS problem? -Original Message- From: Michael Heydekamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:55:44 +0100 Subject: DNS problem? on Jan 10th our domain was finally moved to another ISP, about two days later the whole mail traffic came in via the new mail server. Normally, if we moved domain zone from one Name Server to others it needs 7-days to be effective (this is default TTL for BIND 8.x; for 4.x or NT DNS the default 3-days). Except all the incoming mail of TBUDL - this is still going to our former ISP and I still have to fetch it from there (fortunately our account there is not deleted yet). Does any of the experts here have an idea what's going on and what I can do about that? Shouldn't they also in Indonesia be aware of the new DNS data? Our server will check to *Authorize* DNS for your domain, and will refresh as mentioned on TTL setting of that DNS. This is last info from our DNS (who the List refer to). Other possibilities, my Name Server didn't receive broadcast from your new DNS, see below, the backup of our DNS Server indicate different setting (perhaps this one your old DNS) which will refresh next 3 hours : Wednesday, January 19, 2000 03:09:12AM Name Server LookUp for airtraffic.de Search Type: ALL - All records Name Server: 202.134.1.243 Header: ID=51290, QR=Response, Opcode=QUERY, RCODE=NO ERROR Authoritative Answer=No, Truncation=No Recursion Desired=Yes, Recursion Available=Yes QDCOUNT=1, ANCOUNT=4, NSCOUNT=2, ARCOUNT=2 Question: Name=airtraffic.de, QTYPE=ALL, QCLASS=1 Answer Section: - Name=airtraffic.de Type=NS, Class=1, TTL=37613 (10 Hours 26 Minutes 53 Seconds), RDLENGTH=22 Name Server=ns1.internetnamen.de - Name=airtraffic.de Type=NS, Class=1, TTL=37613 (10 Hours 26 Minutes 53 Seconds), RDLENGTH=6 Name Server=ns2.internetnamen.de - Name=airtraffic.de Type=MX, Class=1, TTL=10131 (2 Hours 48 Minutes 51 Seconds), RDLENGTH=9 Preference=10, Mail Exchange=mail.airtraffic.de - Name=airtraffic.de Type=A, Class=1, TTL=67207 (18 Hours 40 Minutes 7 Seconds), RDLENGTH=4 IP Address=209.95.106.208 Authority Records Section: - Name=airtraffic.de Type=NS, Class=1, TTL=37613 (10 Hours 26 Minutes 53 Seconds), RDLENGTH=2 Name Server=ns1.internetnamen.de - Name=airtraffic.de Type=NS, Class=1, TTL=37613 (10 Hours 26 Minutes 53 Seconds), RDLENGTH=2 Name Server=ns2.internetnamen.de Additional Records Section: - Name=ns1.internetnamen.de Type=A, Class=1, TTL=54710 (15 Hours 11 Minutes 50 Seconds), RDLENGTH=4 IP Address=62.104.62.4 - Name=ns2.internetnamen.de Type=A, Class=1, TTL=54710 (15 Hours 11 Minutes 50 Seconds), RDLENGTH=4 IP Address=195.90.255.132 --- - syafril - Created by WorldClient for Mdaemon. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
