Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mark! On Friday, January 05, 2007, 8:34 PM, you wrote: I need to check what date I let Microsoft update Internet Explorer to v. 7.0. That may be the difference on my system--although how an un-launched IE could affect The Bat! is beyond me. Sorry I missed this earlier. There have been reports of IE7 installing a new version of wininet.dll and this causing some havoc with other applications. I don't know if that's what's at work here, but you might want to check the date and version on that file. Thanks for the suggestion. I put this file name into Windows Search, and the latest showing is 11/7/2006, 9:03 PM. File version is 7.0.5730.11, and it says the date created is 8/9/2004 at 3:00 p.m. So I guess it hasn't been modified on this system (the path to it was Windows/System32). But maybe another file was changed that is affecting The Bat! Another clue is that Opera 9 began giving me an error message that it had to close when I would be trying to link within a few websites, and this began happening on Jan. 4, 2007. I can't get from my Inbox to my Spam mail at gmail.com in Opera as a result of this erratic behavior. No problem using Mozilla FireFox. Have just now tried Opera again. It wouldn't even finish loading the gmail website before putting up the Error box. But I was on Google for half an hour earlier this morning, bringing up multiple sites and navigating within them, no Opera problem doing that. (Was reading about cedar waxwings.) I've been sending a report, every time Opera puts up the error message box, so maybe it will all eventually get fixed. I did set a Restore point in Windows/System Restore before installing IE7. I guess I could try going back, in case that would clear up both the Opera and the TB! problem. I'll do that a little later and report back here. (Actually, my TB! AVs stopped happening yesterday. I haven't tried the dragdrop from the message list pane this morning. But I want to send this post before doing that, in case the forced close of TB! would lose my draft.) Thanks a mil for the info, Mark. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary, On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, at 03:25:17 [GMT -0600] (which was 4:25:17 AM in NY, USA) Mary Bull wrote: In connection with the discussion going on about Spam filters: Knujon sent me a Welcome letter in which they suggested that I drag the listing from a Spam message into the Editor window, as a means of attaching reports of several messages into one e-mail report to them. I realize this doesn't address your specific TB related concern. But I wanted to share how I have been sending gobs of spam to Knujon for several months now. First I registered with Knujon and sent them a list of all the email addresses to which I receive spam. Within about a week, they sent me a message with a personal reporting address and an ftp account. During the week that I waited for ftp access, I did send the spam by way of attachment. I'll mention this later. But once I had ftp access, I simply set my view mode to show rfc headers, exported all my verified spam for each day to a folder in eml format, compressed the spam, and finally ftp'd it to knujon. I've reported over 20,000 spam messages in this way. Knujon Registration: http://www.knujon.com/register.html Now for the hard way...before I had ftp access, I tried several methods of sending spam to knujon. The first was a simple filter that would forward any selected messages upon a hotkey combo trigger. Sometimes it worked. But sometimes it did not. This method seemed to choke on some html stockspam. Also, I had more luck when only selecting 5 messages at a time. If successful, the forwards would be queued and the original would be archived in a 'reported' folder. This was too slow for me. Lastly, I could select 22 messages (my preview pane shows 22), right-click, choose 'alternative forward' to create a new message with 22 eml attachments, and send that to Knujon. More could be selected but anything over 5-7 mb was sometimes rejected. My only problem with this method is that I could not get the eml's to show the headers even when I had View set to show them. Knujon doesn't require them but I wanted to show them anyway as I was trying to find a way to report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the same time. FTP appears to be the best solution. But even if you don't want to use an ftp client, they offer a Web based upload interface. But I believe you need to be registered to use either. More info on reporting methods is buried within Knujon's CastleCops forum: http://www.castlecops.com/f240-Knujon_General_Discussion.html -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.86.11 beta Windows XP build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT: Knujon Spam Reports via other means than The Bat! [WAS Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV]
Hello James! On Saturday, January 06, 2007, 11:44 AM, you wrote: FTP appears to be the best solution. But even if you don't want to use an ftp client, they offer a Web based upload interface. But I believe you need to be registered to use either. More info on reporting methods is buried within Knujon's CastleCops forum: http://www.castlecops.com/f240-Knujon_General_Discussion.html Thanks a million for the detailed account of the methods and for the link. I am, in fact, registered. I was a bit leery of the FTP offer--because my own privacy and security concerns, however unwarranted. Had missed seeing the web-based upload interface option, however. Note: Since we are digressing away from TB! a bit here, I've CCd to TBOT, in case there's need for further discussion. Off to read in the link-page. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary, Happy New Year my dear! ;) In connection with the discussion going on about Spam filters: Knujon sent me a Welcome letter in which they suggested that I drag the listing from a Spam message into the Editor window, as a means of attaching reports of several messages into one e-mail report to them. This results in an Access Violation error message every time. AV window only repeats itself when clicking on either Close or OK. TB! freezes, the ESC key does nothing, and TB! must then be closed with the Task Manager. If by this you mean including messages from the message list as attachment of a new message or a reply, I do this quite frequently (and tested just now) and I had no problem. The way I do it is: select a message on the list pane, drag it out of the list pane, Alt+TAB to change to Editor window and drop it there. Further, TB! saves the e-mail in the Outbox. Highlighting to delete it results in the same AV behavior. To get rid of it, one must use the Empty Folder choice on the folder menu. No problem here either. And, as you can see, I also use v3.95.6. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Miguel! On Friday, January 05, 2007, 7:34 AM, you wrote: Happy New Year my dear! ;) Happy New Year to you, too, and a late Happy New Year to all. In connection with the discussion going on about Spam filters: Knujon sent me a Welcome letter in which they suggested that I drag the listing from a Spam message into the Editor window, as a means of attaching reports of several messages into one e-mail report to them. This results in an Access Violation error message every time. AV window only repeats itself when clicking on either Close or OK. TB! freezes, the ESC key does nothing, and TB! must then be closed with the Task Manager. If by this you mean including messages from the message list as attachment of a new message or a reply, I do this quite frequently (and tested just now) and I had no problem. The way I do it is: select a message on the list pane, drag it out of the list pane, Alt+TAB to change to Editor window and drop it there. Yes. I had the Editor window already up and dragged it directly from the list pane to the message body in the Editor window and dropped it there. It did work on January 3 and then not on January 4. I need to check what date I let Microsoft update Internet Explorer to v. 7.0. That may be the difference on my system--although how an un-launched IE could affect The Bat! is beyond me. Further, TB! saves the e-mail in the Outbox. Highlighting to delete it results in the same AV behavior. To get rid of it, one must use the Empty Folder choice on the folder menu. No problem here either. And, as you can see, I also use v3.95.6. I would love to blame my problem on Microsoft! It's not a feature I myself need to use regularly--can always simply Forward--but I thought I'd better report what's happened to me, in case it would turn out that others have the same experience. I'll report back when I find the date at which IE 7.0 got installed here, if I can find that info. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello MAU everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 14:34 you (MAU) wrote: If by this you mean including messages from the message list as attachment of a new message or a reply, I do this quite frequently (and tested just now) and I had no problem. The way I do it is: select a message on the list pane, drag it out of the list pane, Alt+TAB to change to Editor window and drop it there. Ah, so thats how it works. I always wondered. I dragged the message from the msglist to the button of TBs editor on the windows taskbar, but unlike most other programs, it would not come to front after a second or so of waiting. Maybe I should file that as a wish? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I don't believe in God, because I don't believe in Mother Goose. -- Clarence Darrow Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Alexander! On Friday, January 05, 2007, 11:37 AM, you wrote: Ah, so thats how it works. I always wondered. I dragged the message from the msglist to the button of TBs editor on the windows taskbar, but unlike most other programs, it would not come to front after a second or so of waiting. Maybe I should file that as a wish? :-) I would certainly support it, if you did so. Alex, do you have any idea why the thing worked flawlessly for me on Jan. 3, and now, since Jan. 4, it gives me these consistent Access Violation error boxes and freezes TB!? I think I did finish downloading and installing from Windows Updater the IE 7.0, on the evening of Jan. 3. Could that be playing into it, at all? I'm not worried--merely puzzled--and would welcome your thoughts on this. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary, It did work on January 3 and then not on January 4. What about today, January 5th? It may be that it only works on odd numbered days ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Alexander, If by this you mean including messages from the message list as attachment of a new message or a reply, I do this quite frequently (and tested just now) and I had no problem. The way I do it is: select a message on the list pane, drag it out of the list pane, Alt+TAB to change to Editor window and drop it there. Ah, so thats how it works. I always wondered. I dragged the message from the msglist to the button of TBs editor on the windows taskbar, but unlike most other programs, it would not come to front after a second or so of waiting. That is exactly why I use Alt+TAB. Maybe I should file that as a wish? :-) Do, but it may be a Windows issue, not TB's. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary, Alex, do you have any idea why the thing worked flawlessly for me on Jan. 3, and now, since Jan. 4, it gives me these consistent Access Violation error boxes and freezes TB!? I think I did finish downloading and installing from Windows Updater the IE 7.0, on the evening of Jan. 3. Could that be playing into it, at all? I'm not worried--merely puzzled--and would welcome your thoughts on this. I haven't installed IE7 so I can't even test. Sorry. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello MAU! On Friday, January 05, 2007, 1:03 PM, you wrote: It did work on January 3 and then not on January 4. What about today, January 5th? It may be that it only works on odd numbered days ;) :rofl2: Actually, I hadn't tried it today, when I posted again to this thread, but I've just now made the effort. And I can't budge the selected message even to drag it out of the list pane! I am some kind of klutz I think--skilled one day, clueless the next. I wish I were still running Win95, with only about half a dozen apps on it! ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello MAU! On Friday, January 05, 2007, 1:06 PM, you wrote: I think I did finish downloading and installing from Windows Updater the IE 7.0, on the evening of Jan. 3. Could that be playing into it, at all? I'm not worried--merely puzzled--and would welcome your thoughts on this. I haven't installed IE7 so I can't even test. Sorry. Don't know why I bothered with it, myself. Never use it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello MAU everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 20:04 you (MAU) wrote: Maybe I should file that as a wish? :-) Do, but it may be a Windows issue, not TB's. I'm using this all the time at work with Outlook, which is what made me think it must be a TB issue. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) ...The first thing that must be asked about future man is whether he will be alive, and will know how to keep alive, and not whether it is a good thing that he should be alive. -- Charles Galton Darwin Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 05-Jan-2007 at 19:05 you (Mary Bull) wrote: Alex, do you have any idea why the thing worked flawlessly for me on Jan. 3, and now, since Jan. 4, it gives me these consistent Access Violation error boxes and freezes TB!? I have no idea. I'm not using IE and haven't bothered to update to v7. :-) But AV's sound like a TB bug to me. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Alexander! On Friday, January 05, 2007, 2:45 PM, you wrote: Alex, do you have any idea why the thing worked flawlessly for me on Jan. 3, and now, since Jan. 4, it gives me these consistent Access Violation error boxes and freezes TB!? I have no idea. I'm not using IE and haven't bothered to update to v7. :-) Should have left it alone, myself, since I don't use it either. :) But AV's sound like a TB bug to me. That's what I thought. However, today, again, the dragdrop from the message list pane to the New Editor window works flawlessly. I'm left with, what was different--or what was I inadvertently doing differently--on Jan. 4. Well, I'll play with it some more and see whether I can reproduce yesterday's bad behavior. Thanks a mil for the reply. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Mary- Friday, January 5, 2007, 7:02:54 AM, you wrote: I need to check what date I let Microsoft update Internet Explorer to v. 7.0. That may be the difference on my system--although how an un-launched IE could affect The Bat! is beyond me. Sorry I missed this earlier. There have been reports of IE7 installing a new version of wininet.dll and this causing some havoc with other applications. I don't know if that's what's at work here, but you might want to check the date and version on that file. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
