Re: Strange things when replying
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:32:51 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: snip JAL The View menu in the Message Editor has an option that reads: JAL "Store window position". I have never cared about this one...until JAL now, because I always run the editor maximized, and therefore, it JAL shouldn't be necessary for me to check it. If I understand this JAL correctly, the purpose of having this option checked is to have TB! JAL to open the editor window in the same position of the screen if JAL you're _not_ running it maximized. That's correct. If unchecked the editor windows are serially opened in a cascading type fashion. JAL After checking this option, my beloved TB! is back to normal JAL behavior again !? I can place %Cursor after %Quotes in my reply JAL templates without any annoying side effects whatsoever. No loss of JAL text. No loss of scroll bars. g This is most likely why I couldn't reproduce your problem. I keep that option checked at all times. JAL Does the "Store window position"-option _has_ to be checked JAL irrespective of whether you run the editor maximized or not? Well, you've found another reason to keep it checked. g -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "$$$ not found -- (A)bort (R)efinance (B)ankrupt " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On 19 August 2000 at 20:36:26 GMT -0700 (which was 04:36 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Strange things when replying": ML I'm moving tomorrow and won't have Internet access for about a ML week. It's what it takes to get cable modem access here, and it ML takes even longer, much longer, to get ADSL. :( So, see you next ML weekend. We'll miss ya! Hope the move goes well, Ming-li. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZ5UUDnkJKuSnc2gEQIEOQCgrenF4YwbUW3+eBsaI69sDTO8OAAAoIrf T4pnnRNT+CrBn8mnvoXFSn1G =xWxJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote, ML it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the ML quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the ML quoted text. This never happens to me. I have %cursor before %quote in all my templates and the cursor is always positioned in front of the quotes. In fact when I manipulate the cursor position via the macro, it is placed exactly as expected. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Ambition is the last refuge of the failure. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:13:17 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :) :-) I realised that the only difference between your setup without the %cursor macro and my setup with the %cursor macro is that my cursor is placed after the introduction and before the quotation. Since I didn't have any problems I assumed that it may be the insertion of the cursor *after* the quotation may be the problem. JAL Bingo!...why? So my assumption was right. :-) I'm not sure why and I think that this may be related to that bug also where deleting blocks of text in the editor may lead to loss of the vertical scroll-bar. The plot thickens, now that I've tried reproducing your problem and can't. :-/ -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "RamDisk is *not* an installation procedure. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Ming-Li,
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:55 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, August 18, 2000, 8:13:55 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ming-Li wrote:
Hello %OFROMNAME,
On%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)^Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
GMT your local time,
which was %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn (GMT+0700) my local time,
%OFROMNAME wrote:
%Cursor
%QUOTES="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-
--|--\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
ok (sorry) to demonstrate:
If using above script on your email cursor ended up where I pasted it.
Ie Cursor before Quoted.
Hi tracer,
seems to me that it does make sense. You position the cursor, then
below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will
produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything
before the cursor position up, After all, the cursor tells the
system where you want to start editing.
What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
quoted text.
Best regards,
tracer
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Re: Strange things when replying
Hello tracer, Thursday, August 17, 2000, 1:55:55 AM, you wrote: seems to me that it does make sense. It sure does tracer. I guess I have to put the blame on my bad command of English. What I _think_ I say, is not necessarily always what I _mean_ to say. Sorry about that. I think you guys better enter for a course in Norwegian :) You position the cursor, then below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up, Exactly, and that's what happens. I can place the cursor wherever I want in the message, but (for some of us), placing the %Cursor macro _after_ the %Quotes macro has an annoying side effect (the by now well known "disappearing text- and scrollbar problem"), so if the only alternatives I have are: 1. Before the quotes. 2. Not including it. then the %Cursor macro is of little (if any) practical use for me. I fail to see how to benefit from using it in my reply templates at all, because, by not including it, TB! defaults to the upper left corner. No big difference from placing the cursor before the quotes IMO. Anyway, leaving out the %Cursor macro cured this problem for me, however, this doesn't explain why I have a similar problem in NTP. My first thought was that there could be some sort of connection here. Jan-Arild -- "Is forbitten to steal hotel towels please. If you are not person to do such thing is please not to read notis." -In a Tokyo Hotel -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
This message: 18/08/2000 10:50 GMT.
Hello Ming-Li,
For experimental purposes I had a play with my reply templates and
as can be seen from this reply, putting %cursor before %quote
results in the desired effect.
A copy of my template for reference is appended below.
A reminder of what Ming-Li ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
18 August 2000 at 18:13:55 GMT -0700
ML What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote,
ML it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the
ML quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the
ML quoted text
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-- Template -
This message: %DATESHORT %TIME GMT.
Hello %TOFName,
%Cursor
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
A reminder of what %OFromFName (%OFROMADDR) typed on:
%ODATE at %SUBPATT="3" GMT%SUBPATT="4"
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(.*^-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
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Best regards, %FROMADDR
Tony.
Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION S/N A27A5E65
%WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER%WINDOWSCSDVERSION
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%TO=""%TO="%OFROMFNAME on TB!UDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
%SINGLERE
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Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Jan-Arild Løkstad, On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:24:00 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Friday, August 18, 2000, 5:24:00 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: Hello tracer, Thursday, August 17, 2000, 1:55:55 AM, you wrote: seems to me that it does make sense. It sure does tracer. I guess I have to put the blame on my bad command of English. What I _think_ I say, is not necessarily always what I _mean_ to say. Sorry about that. I think you guys better enter for a course in Norwegian :) no please, I can read/understand a bit of Swedish and Danish but somehow Norwegian escaped me... You position the cursor, then below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up, Exactly, and that's what happens. I can place the cursor wherever I want in the message, but (for some of us), placing the %Cursor macro _after_ the %Quotes macro has an annoying side effect (the by now well known "disappearing text- and scrollbar problem"), so if the only alternatives I have are: 1. Before the quotes. 2. Not including it. no, I had noticed the effect before but didnt realise this is what you meant. You can position cursor manually and with arrow keys move it up... Now I wonder if as in my cases I had several times this problem even with my cursor setting if the real problem isnt the cursor but what in my case is the remaining part of the original message I am answering covering up the top of what I am writing... then the %Cursor macro is of little (if any) practical use for me. I fail to see how to benefit from using it in my reply templates at all, because, by not including it, TB! defaults to the upper left corner. No big difference from placing the cursor before the quotes IMO. Anyway, leaving out the %Cursor macro cured this problem for me, however, this doesn't explain why I have a similar problem in NTP. My first thought was that there could be some sort of connection here. Jan-Arild Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hi Marck, Tracer, Tony, For experimental purposes I had a play with my reply templates and as can be seen from this reply, putting %cursor before %quote results in the desired effect. Thank you all for trying it out for me, and I've found the culprit. It's all my fault. Marck might remember teaching me how to address the "TO" field in a way less confusing for less savvy users in mailing lisst. I complained about not being able to distinguish between TBUDL/TBBETA lists for I put both in a folder. Then I found I could solve the problem by using address book templates instead of folder templates. I then forgot about it and when I was experimenting for this discussion (about putting %cursor in front of %quote), I did it in the folder template, and of course it didn't work. Sorry about that. And sorry for the late reply. I'm busy packing and don't have much time for email. I'm moving tomorrow and won't have Internet access for about a week. It's what it takes to get cable modem access here, and it takes even longer, much longer, to get ADSL. :( So, see you next weekend. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Jan-Arild Løkstad, On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:13:17 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, August 17, 2000, 2:13:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: Hello Curtis, Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 1:11:02 PM, you wrote: Makes me wonder if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates the problem, rather than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at all. You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :) I did put the %Cursor macro back into my reply template again like this: %Cursor %Quotes Bingo!...why? As soon as I place the %Quotes macro first, the "disappearing text-and scrollbar" syndrome return. My old brain is somewhat confused by now to say the least. This doesn't make sense to me. seems to me that it does make sense. You position the cursor, then below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up, After all, the cursor tells the system where you want to start editing. Jan-Arild Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hi tracer, seems to me that it does make sense. You position the cursor, then below that the quote. if you put quotes first, it likely will produce the quote and then py putting the cursor, move everything before the cursor position up, After all, the cursor tells the system where you want to start editing. What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote, it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the quoted text. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On 18 August 2000 at 18:13:55 GMT -0700 (which was 02:13 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Strange things when replying": ML What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before ML %quote, it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front ML of the quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after ML (below) the quoted text. That isn't what is supposed to happen and it isn't what happens here. :-/ - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQA/AwUBOZyZITnkJKuSnc2gEQLM/wCgqrgk1oQ9u+ST1WbQuedS//Dio8AAn0vK Ad7XnJJSPMAPXy4PvXuNShiq =IMfl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 5:57:10 AM, you wrote: Always, but not with all messages. The prob may be reproducible if the messages does not fill a screen, but some longer messages are effected too. Well, all I can say is that it does here. I tested this with 120 messages last night, and the same thing happened with each and all of them. Like I said earlier, my brain is old and worn out, but I started to play a little with my reply templates, and found something that might be of interest. My original reply template looked like this: Hello %OFromFName,%SINGLERE %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: %Quotes %Cursor -- Best regards, %FromFName I changed it to look like this: Hello %OFromFName,%SINGLERE %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: %Quotes -- Best regards, %FromFName As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The problem is gone. Completely. The only drawback, by removing the %Cursor-macro is that the cursor is placed in the upper left corner of the screen when replying, but I do always edit the original message before I start typing anyway so... Jan-Arild -- Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar. -In a Norwegian cocktail lounge -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hi Jan-Arild, On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:01:55 +0200GMT (16/08/2000, 17:01 +0800GMT), Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have JAL removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The JAL problem is gone. Completely. Wow, I'm surprised. I will make some tests with this, as soon as I come back from my upcoming trip. If anybody else can confirm this, it's time for a bug report. One of those occasions in programming\ where the problem lies somewherewhere I would never have thought of looking. g -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.45 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Jan-Arild, On Wednesday, August 16, 2000 at 11:01:55 GMT +0200 (which was 2:01 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The problem is gone. Completely. The only drawback, by removing the %Cursor-macro is that the cursor is placed in the upper left corner of the screen when replying, but I do always edit the original message before I start typing anyway so... The %cursor macro should only affect where the cursor is first placed in the message. By not including it, TB defaults to the upper left. However, if I recall correctly, by hitting CTRL-Home, the scroll bars reappear anyway. Un/Fortunately, I can not reproduce the problem here, so I'm just throwing in my 2 cents (CDN) worth. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:01:55 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL My original reply template looked like this: snip JAL %Quotes JAL %Cursor snip JAL I changed it to look like this: snip JAL %Quotes snip JAL As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have JAL removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The JAL problem is gone. Completely. Hmmm. I can't reproduce your problem either, the only difference with me is that I my %cursor macro precedes the %quotes macro. Makes me wonder if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates the problem, rather than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at all. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "For exercise, men can walk. Women talk. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Jan-Arild Løkstad, On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:50:33 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 3:50:33 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: Hello Januk, Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:08:12 AM, you wrote: In essence, what I found is that the scroll bars are calculated on the amount of text in the message. Have you noticed if you go to the beginning of these replies, then the text all fits into one screen? It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time - i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar disappear. Always. I can reproduce the lack of scroll bar problem at will. Create a new message (or a reply, it doesn't matter). Type a couple of lines, enough so it all fits in one screen with no scrolling. Now use your keyboard keys (or scroll wheel mouse) to move down a few lines until your text is off screen. Notice how the scroll bars do not appear. This also happens with the horizontal scroll bar. You are dead right. I haven't noticed this before. seems to be a bug to me... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Curtis, Wednesday, August 16, 2000, 1:11:02 PM, you wrote: Makes me wonder if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates the problem, rather than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at all. You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :) I did put the %Cursor macro back into my reply template again like this: %Cursor %Quotes Bingo!...why? As soon as I place the %Quotes macro first, the "disappearing text-and scrollbar" syndrome return. My old brain is somewhat confused by now to say the least. This doesn't make sense to me. Jan-Arild -- "It is not allow in the hotel room for guest participating in Illicit Arts, banging of firecrackers, gambling and wrestling". -Hotel Jincheng (Shenyang, China) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Jan-Arild, Monday, August 14, 2000, 10:44:47 AM, you wrote: JAL Hello All, JAL Pressing the "Reply"-button opens up the "Message Editor Window" with JAL the quote prefix preceding each lineas if you didn't know :) The JAL strange thing is that only the last 4-5 lines of the message to which JAL I am replying is visible in the editor. The rest of the original JAL message, and also the scrollbar!, has disappeared, and the only way to JAL get both back into view again is to press the "Page Up"-key on the JAL keyboard. JAL This happens _every time_ I reply to a message. Anyone who have JAL experienced anything similar? JAL Jan-Arild Exactly the same here Jan-Arild. I wonder why?? -- Best regards, Grahammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Januk, Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:08:12 AM, you wrote: In essence, what I found is that the scroll bars are calculated on the amount of text in the message. Have you noticed if you go to the beginning of these replies, then the text all fits into one screen? It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time - i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar disappear. Always. I can reproduce the lack of scroll bar problem at will. Create a new message (or a reply, it doesn't matter). Type a couple of lines, enough so it all fits in one screen with no scrolling. Now use your keyboard keys (or scroll wheel mouse) to move down a few lines until your text is off screen. Notice how the scroll bars do not appear. This also happens with the horizontal scroll bar. You are dead right. I haven't noticed this before. In your Note Tab Pro program, do you have a free caret interface active? I think this may be the source of the trouble. With regard to the free caret interface, I wish I could say yes because this is one of the things I love the most about TB! -but no, NTP doesn't support it. What I can say for certain is, that in NTP, this _only_ occur when pasting text from the clipboard, and also, _only_ when pasting more text than fits into one screen. BTW. In which version of TB! did this start to occur? I have used it since 1.39 but I can't remember seeing this prior to my last upgrade to 1.45.but yes, I am an old and absent-minded kind of person, so I might very well be wrong :) Jan-Arild -- "Drop your trousers here for best results." -In a Bangkok dry cleaner's -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Graham, Tuesday, August 15, 2000, 8:16:29 AM, you wrote: Exactly the same here Jan-Arild. I wonder why?? A poor consolation I know, but you are not alone feeling this way Graham. I am totally lost. What is even more frustrating is that I am not in possession of the special knowledge needed to be able to figure out what may cause this to occur. The only thing _I_ can do is to report what I see, and hope that you guys find a solution. Jan-Arild -- "May be harmful if swallowed." -On a shipment of hammers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hi Jan-Arild, On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:50:33 +0200GMT (16/08/2000, 04:50 +0800GMT), Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the original message JAL contains 10 or 500 lines of text. The same thing happens every time - JAL i.e all the text (except from the last 4-5 lines), and the scrollbar JAL disappear. Always. Always, but not with all messages. The prob may be reproducible if the messages does not fill a screen, but some longer messages are effected too. JAL BTW. In which version of TB! did this start to occur? I have used it JAL since 1.39 but I can't remember seeing this prior to my last upgrade JAL to 1.45.but yes, I am an old and absent-minded kind of person, so JAL I might very well be wrong :) I think I first reported it on the beta list on 27 May 2000, when v1.44 came out. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.45 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hi Jan-Arild, On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:44:47 +0200GMT (14/08/2000, 17:44 +0800GMT), Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL The strange thing is that only the last 4-5 lines of the message JAL to which I am replying is visible in the editor. The rest of the JAL original message, and also the scrollbar!, has disappeared, and JAL the only way to get both back into view again is to press the JAL "Page Up"-key on the keyboard. JAL This happens _every time_ I reply to a message. Anyone who have JAL experienced anything similar? Yep; not with every message but a selected few. I have not foudn a pattern. What is your operating system, RAM size, etc? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.45 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Thomas, Monday, August 14, 2000, 12:08:31 PM, you wrote: Yep; not with every message but a selected few. I have not foudn a pattern. Neither have I, not in TB!, but I have found something that _might_ be related. I am no computer guru so the following may sound stupid, and is just a wild guess: Could this possibly be a display driver issue? I am asking because _exactly_ the same thing happens in Note Tab Pro (an excellent text editor) from time to time. On the other hand, I haven't noticed anything like this in Agent which I use for news. What is your operating system, RAM size, etc? OS: Win98 (4.10.1998) OEM CPU: Intel 300MHz PII RAM: 64MB Video adapter: Matrox Millenium II 4MB with the latest driver 4.33.045 Plenty of free space on my two harddrives. _Very_ stable system. Not one single crash (believe it or not) ever since I installed Win98 in august 1998. Jan-Arild -- If Outlook Express is the answer, it must have been a VERY silly question. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Thomas, Monday, August 14, 2000, 5:01:51 PM, you wrote: In all the user manuals that came with my PC, one is entitled: A.G.P. S3 Trio 3D/2X Video Accelerator. Is that it? I also found a file called VGA.DRV in the c:\windows\system directory, but don't know how to find out more. I'm afraid I can't help you much with this Thomas. You know, I am just an ordinary TB!-user who love this wonderful piece of software, and by lurking on TBUDL TBBETA I "steal" new tips and tricks every day from all the nice, helpful and knowledgeable people living here. BTW, if Curtis is "stupid" enough to read this :), I should like to take the opportunity to congratulate him as a moderator. Jan-Arild -- Pluto Neptune Uranus Saturn Jupiter Mars Earth Venus Mercury Sun . o o o O . . . ./\ ^ \/ -- You are here -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Jamie, Monday, August 14, 2000, 4:54:14 PM, you wrote: It's Linux pretending to be Windowsg Hehe. I have Linux installed on one of my harddrives, so maybe Linux is the "source of infection". Seriously though that is a very weird problem that I have never encountered. It sure is weird. The Bat! and Note Tab Pro seems to be the only apps suffering from the disappearing text- and scrollbar syndrome. Even with a 4MB card in it still displays OK. Try lowering your screen res and colour depth. If it stops occurring it is a driver issue. Already tried that, but the problem is still there. Jan-Arild -- Pizza is a lot like sex. When it's good, it's really good. When it's bad, it's still pretty good. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hello Nick, Monday, August 14, 2000, 4:35:56 PM, you wrote: Time to come back to this side of the looking glass, Alice. LOL. It sounds like a fairytale, I know, but I am in fact telling the truth. I have absolutely no idea why my system doesn't crash, but there has to be something seriously wrong somewhere that's for sure. Perhaps I should contact MS support and ask if they can help me find the culprit. :) Jan-Arild -- The text above "-- " is subject to change without prior notice. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
Hi Thomas, JD TO find what version it's running press [win] + [break] Done. JD Choose device manager. Here I got stuck. How do you spell that in Chinese? - Just kidding. Can you describe the icon? LOL. It's called "¸Ë¸mºÞ²zû", if you can find the "pattern". I'm not sure about the icon since I'm in Win2k, but it should be the second pane for Win95/98. And by the way, I have managed to download IE 5.5 in English. Unlike Netscpae, it displays web pages in English, German, Thai, Chinese... Yup. I was hoping that I find language support for English Win98 somewhere on the microsoft site; no such luck. Did you try the MS Download Center at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/? Now at the left hand side, chose "Find download in English". At the right hand side, Choose "Internet Explorer 5 (not 5.01!)" for product name and "Windows 98" for operating system, then find an item called "Internet Explorer Microsoft Global IME 5.01". Along with it, you may download the proper language support. I remember I could download just the language support (for display) without downloading the IME (for input), but either I remember it wrong, or that option is removed. I cannot imagine that the difference between my Chinese Win98 and an English Win98 is more than the Chinesee language driver plus a number of DLL's in which the menu items are, like the .lng files in TB. Am I wrong? Well, it's more complicated than that. English Windows with Chinese language support is not the same as a Chinese Windows (and not just the interface language and help files are different). The former may be enough for you, but it depends on the applications you need to run. JD Find your display driver and click on properties. Goto the JD section titled driver and click on the button marked Driver File JD Details. All the info you want should be there. Since the manual is in English, let's hope the info is in English, too. ;-) In device manager? Not necessarily. ;) It's more likely in mixed language. Be forewarned that installing display card driver written for English Windows on Chinese Windows system sometimes cause more troubles than it would solve. Backup before proceeding is a prudent thing to do here, or be sure you have the original driver ready. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:03:47 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL BTW, if Curtis is "stupid" enough to read this :) Sure right! JAL , I should like to take the opportunity to congratulate him as a JAL moderator. Thanks.:-) -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Kids-They're not sleeping, they're recharging! " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
