Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 7:19:53 PM, David Marlow wrote: When in workstation with tcp/ip mode and sharing the names and matters common folders AbacusBat! a.k.a (The Bat!), will lose folder information. I'm a little lost on your description of the setup and on what you are losing. Do you mean you are sharing the mail folders between work stations? What folder information are you losing? -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Ralf, On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, at 12:02:46 [GMT +0200] you wrote: RB The bug description: RBAfter clicking Cancel in connection center after sending mail RBdirectly from the message editor, I'm unable to send out any mail RBduring this session. Trying to send out mail later results in message RBbox Nothing to send!, have to restart TB!. Yes, I often have the same problem. -- Best regards, Eduard. Running The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows ME _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Devid, On Tuesday, May 15, 2001 at 9:34:55 PM you wrote: DV The bug description: DV When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it DV again, you get an access violation error. confirmed over here. additionally I can say: you get an access violation for EVERY account Log closing that's more than the second. So if there are three logs of the same account open (by pressing ctrl+shift+a three time) I get 2 violations, one after closing the second and one after closing the third ... and so on with more logs-views ... -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53 Beta/5 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Peter, On Wed, 16 May 2001 11:23:45 +0200GMT (16/05/2001, 17:23 +0800GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: DV The bug description: DV When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it DV again, you get an access violation error. PP confirmed over here. Not confirmed. Regardless of how often I hit shft-crtl-A, only one account log window will open. And it closes without any problems. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Devid, Tuesday, May 15, 2001, 3:34:55 PM, you wrote: DV Steps to reproduce the bug: DV * minimise The Bat! (to the tray or not, it doesn't matter) DV * put your focus on something from The Bat!, like a new mail DV message window, a view folder, or the mail ticker DV * tap SHIFT-CTRL-A twice DV * close the first Account Log DV * close the second Account Log, and you'll get the error: DV Access violation at address 005BAE52. Read of address DV 01F8 Confirmed here. - -- Using The Bat! v1.53 Beta/5 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed, sealed and delivered. iQA/AwUBOwJ0oBalOqMy8yvQEQKopwCfS99q2IRK/HFb2dHsD0VScA30XBMAoN7r pD1G5S55nYEpueAyaUa2fjVi =bIYO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 19:41:01 David Elliott wrote: DV The bug description: DV When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it DV again, you get an access violation error. PP confirmed over here. Not confirmed. Regardless of how often I hit shft-crtl-A, only one account log window will open. And it closes without any problems. I am with you Thomas. Are you sure TB! is minimized? If it's opened and running in the background (behind some other window), it doesn't work. -- Regards, Devid Verfaillie Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy disk? Using The Bat! v1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Devid, On Wed, 16 May 2001 19:07:06 +0200 GMT (17/05/2001, 01:07 +0800 GMT), Devid Verfaillie wrote: DV The bug description: DV When opening the Account Log twice or more, and closing it DV again, you get an access violation error. Not confirmed. DV Are you sure TB! is minimized? If it's opened and running in the DV background (behind some other window), it doesn't work. You are right, I hadn't minimzed TB. I can now confirm the Access Violation. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -There is intelligent life on Earth, but I'm just visiting. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - crash when creating new folders in the save attachment dialog
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:37:30 +0200, Markus wrote these words of wisdom: MG I'm using The Bat! Version 1.52 Beta/3 MG under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 MG and would like to report a bug MG The bug description: MG The Bat! crashes when a new folder is created in the save attachment MG dialog under heavy processor load. moderator note To avoid confusion on the lists, please confine problems with betas and discussion of new features introduced in betas to the beta list. Thanks \moderator note - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOs2fElfJ62ArBxfiEQIRIACfTHXoLw1LlxYVspgCyR5U4F89ZQYAmwf3 7IEzNnm0TSMcVfOBNPsGtyTa =TMSb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - bug report - crash when creating new folders in the save attachment dialog
Hello Markus, On Friday, April 06, 2001 12:37:30 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'The Bat! - bug report - crash when creating new folders in the save attachment dialog': Markus I'm using The Bat! Version 1.52 Beta/3 Markus under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 Markus and would like to report a bug Markus The bug description: MarkusThe Bat! crashes when a new folder is created in the save attachment Markusdialog under heavy processor load. I experienced a somewhat similar situation under WinME which I know is a different OS. However, I'd like to point out that when I disabled the CPU slow down/hibernate/auto-close down/nap ;-) features, the problems went away. You might try to disable those features see if you can reproduce the "bug" under those circumstances. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - bug report - crash when creating new folders in the save attachment dialog
Hi, On Friday, April 06, 2001, 3:10:39 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote: I experienced a somewhat similar situation under WinME which I know is a different OS. However, I'd like to point out that when I disabled the CPU slow down/hibernate/auto-close down/nap ;-) features, the problems went away. You might try to disable those features see if you can reproduce the bug under those circumstances. I'm afraid I'm not using any of these features. I might add to my previous error description that at the the time of the crash other applications (the ones that eat up most of my CPU resources) write to the same file server. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hallo Marck, On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:04:03 + GMT (23/03/2001, 04:04 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP This is an *urgent* problem. You are aware that they are probably in Hanover: TheBat auf der CeBIT: Stand Rainbow Technology Halle 23 Stand C55 -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -I'd rather have Lockheed deliver the mail than ride around in a plane built by the post office. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 22 March 2001 at 06:14:04 +0800 (which was 22:14 where I live) Thomas wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these points: MDP This is an *urgent* problem. T You are aware that they are probably in Hanover: T TheBat auf der CeBIT: Stand Rainbow Technology Halle 23 Stand C55 Kind of. It's still a problem that needs looking at at an early juncture - once they get back. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOrqAcDnkJKuSnc2gEQIxQwCeNZfargkI56eG3C2QtYg6KG5h2gsAoOD5 /VlU+C3Vu58XkB0KF87D+Y5A =cc8M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Marck, On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, at 15:48:25 (your local time), you wrote: MDP The bug description: MDP When using a system-wide hotkey or the mouse to access the ticker MDP to view messages, the ticker ignores input while the 'N new MDP messages' text is touching the LHS of the ticker. ^^^ Pardon Me For Jumping In, what is LHS?--- -- Best Regards, Lija _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Lija, (L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] coined: MDP messages' text is touching the LHS of the ticker. L Pardon Me For Jumping In, what is LHS?--- Left Hand Side? :) -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
Hello Andrej others on TBUDL following this thread, Sunday, January 07, 2001, you stated regarding : A Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then A copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long line Even Notepad will do that. In TB! of course, one just hits alt+l (off setting the line a space or two first if desired, so the whole block block accommodates according). But then TB! user do think about what they do. AGS [+] %WRAPPED="text" macro to wrap generic text (macros can be used AGS inside the text) accordingly to current wrap settings. Use %WRAPJUSTIFY AGS AGS and %NOWRAPJUSTIFY to overwrite default settings of justification on AGS wrap A It will help me to receive the messages with cut off lines correctly?:-) A Sorry again, this is not a problem for me. I speak about the people A who send me these messages. I can not speak to all my clients who uses A The Bat! about about special functions :-) A Many people learned to use EDIT|PASTE, and I doubt that many know A about Ctrl+V :-))) Or shft+insert. (alt+insert for quoted paste in TB!). A I offer to make "Paste Formating" by default as it known problem A already (long lines are cut off)... A The advanced users can change adjustments and use an old method. A However they should too be warned about possible problems with long A lines. For quite some time I have asked to an "Edit Message" option. Dragging the message to the outbox and back is just too clunkly (and time consuming) a solution. (Even the despicable Calypso has this). That way, one could hit alt+l or clean up a badly formatted but interesting forwarded message (remove excess carrots etc). With html (i.e. TB! v.2), one can also underline or make bold certain passages, but I can live with (and probably now prefer) using TB! colors, priorities, flagging memos to help do that) DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:27:57 +0500, Andrej wrote these words of wisdom: A The bug description: There's no bug. A Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then A copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long A line This is what happens with virtually any text editor you meet. Pick up any text editor, *turn off wrapping*, and copy and paste a MS Word message in it and you'll see what I'm saying. What most editors do is window wrap and this gives you the impression that the message is formatted differently from what you see in TB! when this is in fact not so. TB!'s doesn't reflow messages upon sending and it will, as it should, show your text formatting, show you text formatting as it will be sent. You have to now format your text, as you would with any other text editor. There are serious drawbacks to text being formatted upon sending because the sender never really knows what formatting the recipient will receive. [.] A So I consider incorrect that The Bat! allows the users to send the A messages with long lines. Likely there are many more servers where the A long lines are cut off and users at all do not know about it!!! Perhaps. It however, fascinates me that the user will look at those long lines and proceed to hit the send key. :=) [..rest snipped..] - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ __ TB! v1.49 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOlibxVfJ62ArBxfiEQJEmgCg9Wzyqupnxj8EQzxxqv2X3CuZNEUAn3O9 IQYqHze1Sl7I6V3Ar/hQF0ts =jpmL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 12:58:16 PM, Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then A copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long line AGSAA Taken from the readme.txt shipped with the version 1.49 of The Bat!: AGSAA [+] %WRAPPED="text" macro to wrap generic text (macros can be used AGSAA inside the text) accordingly to current wrap settings. Use %WRAPJUSTIFY AGSAA AGSAA and %NOWRAPJUSTIFY to overwrite default settings of justification on AGSAA wrap A It will help me to receive the messages with cut off lines correctly?:-) It will help the people pasting the text from the MS Word to justify the pasting according to TB! settings. A Sorry again, this is not a problem for me. I speak about the people A who send me these messages. I can not speak to all my clients who uses A The Bat! about about special functions :-) I've missed that, sorry. A The advanced users can change adjustments and use an old method. A However they should too be warned about possible problems with long A lines. Do you want to establish a lab test? ;-) Just contact me off-list and I'll send you my two additional (the 1st one is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) e-mail addresses served by a diffrenet types of POP3 server software. Then you can send me a separate messages containing the line which length is, say, 1639 characters. As soon as I receive your postings I'll post here the results in the table form. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
Hello Andrej, Saturday, January 06, 2001, 8:27:57 AM, you wrote: Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long line This can be avoided. Either use Alt+L to format the paragraph or (better if you have several paragraphs to paste) use Edit/Paste Formatted (Shift+Ctrl+Ins). In a case with POP3 server of my WEB HOSTER, if this long line is longer than 1024 characters, it is simply silent, without noise is cut off on 1024 character. AFAIK it is part of the netiquette to limit the characters on one line to be no more than 65 (RFC 1855). There might be rules talking about slightly different limits (like 80 characters or so) but it certainly is below 1024 ;-) I understand, you can speak that it is a problem of my WEB HOSTER, and certainly I already speak with them about this, however is present rfc which regulates quantity of characters in one line: [...] So I consider incorrect that The Bat! allows the users to send the messages with long lines. Likely there are many more servers where the long lines are cut off and users at all do not know about it!!! As you can see in the Editor Preferences TB wraps your text at 70 chracters a line (this number can be changed). However Auto-wrap (another option) works only on typed text. Pasted text needs either to be "Pasted formatted" or formatted later. TB, however, allows you to have longer lines. And it won't change your e-mail after you send it (like e.g. Outlook Express does), which is a very good thing. There might be instances when you would want to have a line longer than the limit (for exapmle ion order to have a clickable URL - TB does by default not auto-wrap URLs). I agree that it was sort of a pain when pasting text consisting of a lot of paragraphs and formatting each one individually. But (I believe since versoon 1.48?) there is the option to "Paste formatted" which avoids these problems. Regards, David -- David Buntenbroich e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.buntenbroich.de The Bat! 1.49 on Windows NT 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
On Friday, January 05, 2001, 11:27:57 PM, Andrej wrote: rfc 1939 (POP3) Responses in the POP3 consist of a status indicator and a keyword possibly followed by additional information. All responses are terminated by a CRLF pair. Responses may be up to 512 characters long, including the terminating CRLF. I'm no expert, but I read this as it's about POP3 protocol responses, which are responses from your POP3 server to the commands from your email client. I don't think it's about the length of email messages themselves. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
Hello! Saturday, January 06, 2001, 10:27:57 AM, Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then A copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long line Taken from the readme.txt shipped with the version 1.49 of The Bat!: [+] %WRAPPED="text" macro to wrap generic text (macros can be used inside the text) accordingly to current wrap settings. Use %WRAPJUSTIFY and %NOWRAPJUSTIFY to overwrite default settings of justification on wrap HTH. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On 04-01-2001 at 21:46:48GMT + (which was 21:46 where I live) Adam wrote regarding the subject of "The Bat! - bug report" Hello Adam, Adam In this instance this seems to be quite a major security flaw, as I Adam often start in the wrong account, and then use options/active account Adam to change it, the fact that the reply to doesn't change could be a Adam security risk, or for people using The Bat for say work/private Adam messages, potentially very embarrassing. I cannot confirm this. Changing the account also changes the reply-to. Regards -- Manfred ___ using TheBat 1.48h (FE1905D5) on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 WOMEN : Wild Ovulating Man-Eating Nymphomaniacs -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 12:46:48 AM, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48f A Serial Number 4E83F57A A under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 A and would like to report a bug A The bug description: A I have cc'd this to the list, as it seems to me to be a security A risk as well as a bug. A I have an account which I just use for a mailing list, as the list A sets the reply to to the sender and the list address, I have set the A reply to in the accounts properties to the list address. A Today in error I started creating an e-mail in the mailing list A account, that should have gone from my general account, as it happened A this was a technical support query and contained a product licence A key. I noticed before sending I had chosen the wrong "active account", A and changed from my mailing list account to my general account. A The technical support people hit reply to reply to my message, and the A "reply to" had not changed when I selected the correct "active A account", and so their reply went to a mailing list. A In this instance this seems to be quite a major security flaw, as I A often start in the wrong account, and then use options/active account A to change it, the fact that the reply to doesn't change could be a A security risk, or for people using The Bat for say work/private A messages, potentially very embarrassing. Couldn't confirm, may be I have missed something in your mail? Personally I have 14 accounts (2 of them are phantom, but this doesn't matter). About half a minute ago I started composing a test message and then changed an Active account through the Options - Active Account menu. The From address changed as well as Reply-To; the only thing that remains untouched is my sig which is different from one account to another. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Adam, On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 at 21:46:48 GMT + (which was 1:46 PM where I live) witnesses say Adam typed: snip I have an account which I just use for a mailing list, as the list sets the reply to to the sender and the list address, I have set the reply to in the accounts properties to the list address. If the List Server sets the reply-to, why don't you leave the Reply-to as your address? snip I noticed before sending I had chosen the wrong "active account", and changed from my mailing list account to my general account. The technical support people hit reply to reply to my message, and the "reply to" had not changed when I selected the correct "active account", and so their reply went to a mailing list. Is a reply-to defined for your General Account? -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.48f under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher
On Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 9:09:45 AM, David wrote: Is there a way to uninstall the language pack without uninstalling TB itself? If there is, I did not find it. I renamed TheBat.LNG whereafter TB was only able to show up in English, but that had no effect on my problem. Sorry, I don't use the language pack, maybe you'll have better luck asking in the German forums (where presumably more people use it). Also I agree with Thomas it's still more likely the doing of a faulty display driver and/or specific OS conditions. By any chance do you have another machine to experiment with? I sent them the same message that I posted on this list. I might do what you suggested later when (or if) I get the feedback from the German mailinglist by someone with the same (or a similar) problem. However, maybe they already read your message and are already trying to fix it (hopeful thinking). They may look into it, by chances are they can't duplicate it on their systems, then it would be hard. We'll see. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48f | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher
On Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 3:42:38 AM, David wrote: I already updated to the beta driver I found on www.3dfx.com by now (This was the only one being offered for Vodoo Banshee on Windows 2000.) Still, the problem persists. Just took a good look at your screen capture and found there're indeed some irregularities that should have nothing to do with driver: - the 6th message's time field shows: 13.550 12.2000 - the 7th message's time field shows: 15:29/3:E-mail ko... - the 6th message's time field shows: 16:32isc: Sonstiges Also all time fields show a strange string of "xsupp" at the end before the scrambled part. So maybe there's indeed something wrong other than the driver. Since you're using a German version of TB, could you try to uninstall the language pack and see if the problem disappear in a English only version. I vaguely remember some other people ran into troubles (not the same one, though) after installing the language pack. BTW, have you email the .png file to RIT for debugging? Did you remind them of the erratic display in the time fields. (They might miss it, as I did, since the scrambled part at the far right is so obvious and might take attention away from other details.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48e | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher
Hallo David, On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:09:45 +0100 GMT (21/12/2000, 01:09 +0800 GMT), David Buntenbroich wrote: Since you're using a German version of TB, could you try to uninstall the language pack and see if the problem disappear in a English only version. I vaguely remember some other people ran into troubles (not the same one, though) after installing the language pack. DB Is there a way to uninstall the language pack without uninstalling TB DB itself? If there is, I did not find it. I renamed TheBat.LNG DB whereafter TB was only able to show up in English, but that had no DB effect on my problem. Unless you are using the "mod DE" version, this means that it is not the fault of the language pack. As a matter of fact, I do believe it's your video driver in connection with W2K. I have no idea, but is it possible to un-something it and then see whether the problem persists? -- Cheers, Thomas. "One horsepower is the amount of energy it takes to drag a horse 500 feet in one second" Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher
On Saturday, December 16, 2000, 2:41:45 AM, David wrote: Is there anyone else with a Vodoo Banshee on Windows 2000 having this problem? BTW, AFAIK there is one other person on the German TB list who had the problems I described. You mean he/she also uses a Vodoo Banshee card? Just to make sure. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48d | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher
On Friday, December 15, 2000, 9:36:46 AM, David wrote: This looks like a display driver problem. Have you tried to update your display driver? It looks like, doesn't it? The only problem is: it does neither happen anywhere else in TB nor in any other program. It's tough, indeed. I suspected it's a driver problem because there's no code in TB (as far as I could imagine) that could possibly scramble a screen to that degree. TB is a "high level" application (by which I mean one that doesn't deal with system stuff directly) developed with Delphi (an RAD environment) of which the language is Pascal (a relatively high-level language). I don't think TB would deal with any display issue by itself, but would rather call functions provided by Delphi or Windows, which in turn relies on the driver. That being said, I have to admit I'm just a very inexperienced amateur programmer who knows very little. So I'm very likely to be wrong. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48d | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Friday, December 15, 2000, 12:43:15 AM, David wrote: The message dispatcher appears scrambled. Clicking with the mouse leaves traces. This is happening since version 1.48. Screenshot: http://www.buntenbroich.de/tb/dispatch.png This looks like a display driver problem. Have you tried to update your display driver? Steps to reproduce the bug: On my computer: Account/Dispatch Mail On Server/All Messages Not confirmed. I tried both the "official 1.48 beta/12" and now the "real official 1.48 Christmas edition". -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello all, Friday, December 15, 2000, David Buntenbroich wrote: The bug description: The message dispatcher appears scrambled. Clicking with the mouse leaves traces. This is happening since version 1.48. Screenshot: http://www.buntenbroich.de/tb/dispatch.png Steps to reproduce the bug: On my computer: Account/Dispatch Mail On Server/All Messages not confirmed. BTW use TBBETA for bugreports instead TBUDL please. -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.48 under the worst Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 96 MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:26:26 +0100, Marek Mikus thoughtfully wrote the following: [...] MM not confirmed. MM BTW use TBBETA for bugreports instead TBUDL please. It's perfectly admissible to make bug reports on TBUDL provided that the bug concerns an official release version of the software. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it. ' __ TB! v1.48 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOjpUOlfJ62ArBxfiEQLdPgCeJLnl0Fv+PwCGLyPmB7kVe63EY+MAoOgp bpUGQYRbM9M0zo7HnF6THc+r =H//+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - message dispatcher
Hello Ming-Li, Sorry for breaking the thread but until now I was in digest mode. Friday, 15 Dec 2000 04:56:44 -0800, you wrote: This looks like a display driver problem. Have you tried to update your display driver? It looks like, doesn't it? The only problem is: it does neither happen anywhere else in TB nor in any other program. Also because I use an ELSA Victory II with Vodoo Banshee chipset on Windows 2000, I cannot update the display driver. As far as I know the only driver that works is the Vodoo Banshee driver that is shipped with Windows 2000. (ELSA does not offer a special one.) And buying a new graphics adapter only because of the message dispatcher - I don't think I want to do that ;-) It might be interesting what's so different in the message dispatcher as opposed to the other parts of TB. There must be something causing this. I use TB a lot and these effects only appear in the dispatcher. Is there anyone else with a Vodoo Banshee on Windows 2000 having this problem? Marek wrote: BTW use TBBETA for bugreports instead TBUDL please. I am not subscribed to it and (even though using a TB 1.48 beta for the first time now) waited for the final version. Are bug reports regarding official releases really supposed to go to the beta list? If that is so, I'll subscribe and post there next time. just came in from "A. Curtis Martin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's perfectly admissible to make bug reports on TBUDL provided that the bug concerns an official release version of the software. That's what I thought. And even though my TB calls itself Beta/12 it is really 1.48 Xmas (that problem came already up on TBBETA). David -- David Buntenbroich e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.buntenbroich.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On 15-12-2000 at 14:26, Marek Mikus kindly wrote: Friday, December 15, 2000, David Buntenbroich wrote: The bug description: The message dispatcher appears scrambled. Clicking with the mouse leaves traces. This is happening since version 1.48. Screenshot: http://www.buntenbroich.de/tb/dispatch.png not confirmed. Here neither. As Ming-Li said, it is probably a (mouse or display) driver problem. BTW use TBBETA for bugreports instead TBUDL please. 1.48 is official now. It has a cute Christmas Bat in the splash screen ;-) - K - -- Many bastards succeed. But I, I've learned nothing. I can't even elegantly bleed. - Swans: Failure -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - error while reading message base
On Wednesday, December 13, 2000, 2:45:01 PM, Krzysztof wrote: Steps to reproduce the bug: Create a filter that works against messages with attachment and associates it to a color group. After you receive such message highlight it and try to delete the attachment. The mentioned box appears. In my configuration, attachments are stored in message bodies. Confirmed. If you answer "Yes" when TB asks to fix the message base, the attachment would be deleted as desired and nothing else seems to happen. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/12 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On November 20, 2000, at 2:21:06 PM, A. Curtis Martin Wrote: ACM This has been my exact experience as well. Do you use the auto-format ACM mode Nick? It tends to happen to me in that mode. Yes I do Allie... always have. I have been using auto-format for so I don't really want to be without it. Funny, but the bug is present in this message... it happened to me 3 times in a row as I purposely tested it out, and just like that, it disappeared. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello John + list, On Samstag, 18. November 2000 at 09:07:44 you wrote: [disappearing message after arrival of new one] I have had this for a while, and not sure that it is exclusive to the Halloween edition - in addition, my threading is set to None. This bug has been existing for several versions already. IIRC it only happens if there are no unread messages in the folder and the currently displayed message is last in the list. That message and the new messages are then highlited/selected in the message list. Annoying but not harmful. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool who follows him? (Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On November 19, 2000, at 10:24:21 AM, Tobias Wrede Wrote: I have had this for a while, and not sure that it is exclusive to the Halloween edition - in addition, my threading is set to None. TW This bug has been existing for several versions already. Another annoying bug that has been with us for many versions which may be somewhat related to the above, is when you create a new message, then have to backspace out the first word of a new sentence. The backspacing will take you to the *beginning* of the last word of the previous sentence. I have reported it more than once, but the bug remains unfortunately. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOhgolcUChHR7o/3OEQJMogCfS5QCDt0AujUmyP2OdrWeih4S1DwAnAlg wbHleORayGjnc1o9gMg2bvQD =kWHj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, at 19:24:21 [GMT +0100], Tobias Wrede wrote: TW This bug has been existing for several versions already. TW IIRC it only happens if there are no unread messages in the folder TW and the currently displayed message is last in the list. That TW message and the new messages are then highlited/selected in the TW message list This isn't what I have observed. The position in the list of the currently displayed message does not matter and I think (but can't be sure) that it happens only when a message is received into the current folder. It does *not* happen to me when I am displaying all messages, but it does when I display only unread messages in the message list. - -- Mike Yetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.47 Halloween Edition running on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOhgumdkz/SR3Uv4yEQJSMwCg6Q4EJDg2BmHmuqzLFJAo0bS8sOUAn2pw /mPuupLuPmI6x7YhRjBsBOcA =powj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Nick, On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 at 11:23:08 GMT -0800 (which was 11:23 AM where I live) witnesses say Nick Andriash typed: Another annoying bug that has been with us for many versions which may be somewhat related to the above, is when you create a new message, then have to backspace out the first word of a new sentence. The backspacing will take you to the *beginning* of the last word of the previous sentence. I have reported it more than once, but the bug remains unfortunately. I can't reproduce this bug. Can you give detailed instructions please? (Perhaps we should move this to TBBETA since we're both using Beta versions...) However, in composing this message, I noticed a similar bug. I wrote one of the above lines and edited it so it went past my word wrap limit. One word ended on the wrap character. It was the line: ... using Beta versions...) If I toggle on auto-format, select the character immediately after using (ie ... using| Beta versions... ) and hit the space bar, I end up at the beginning of using with the lines correctly wrapped. It's a very small bug. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On November 19, 2000, at 12:09:36 PM, Januk Aggarwal Wrote: JA I can't reproduce this bug. Can you give detailed instructions JA please? (Perhaps we should move this to TBBETA since we're both using JA Beta versions...) No, I think it's OK to discuss it here on TBUDL, because it has existed for many versions, including the Halloween Edition. The instructions to see this bug in action are simple: 1) Create a new message, and begin typing until you have 3 sentences completed. 2) Now, go to the very first word in the 3rd sentence, and begin to backspace it out. You will find that as you backspace out the last character in the word, that your cursor ends up at the *beginning* of the last word in the 2nd sentence. I just tried it on this very line, and as I backspaced out the word "last", my cursor ended up before "the" on the end of the previous line. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOhhBwcUChHR7o/3OEQLE6wCeLpHBfwinlRDcdn2VLZ2On+oFSD0AoO60 Tg+eGjskvbPZ6qhBZ+ql9V8E =IEl9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Nick, On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 at 13:10:47 GMT -0800 (which was 1:10 PM where I live) witnesses say Nick Andriash typed: No, I think it's OK to discuss it here on TBUDL, because it has existed for many versions, including the Halloween Edition. The instructions to see this bug in action are simple: 1) Create a new message, and begin typing until you have 3 sentences completed. 2) Now, go to the very first word in the 3rd sentence, and begin to backspace it out. You will find that as you backspace out the last character in the word, that your cursor ends up at the *beginning* of the last word in the 2nd sentence. I just tried it on this very line, and as I backspaced out the word "last", my cursor ended up before "the" on the end of the previous line. Nope, I can't reproduce. I've tried this a few times and a few different ways. What editor settings are you using? It doesn't seem to be OS dependent given we're both using Win98 SE. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On November 19, 2000, at 1:36:44 PM, A. Curtis Martin Wrote: ACM I can't reproduce the problem the way you instructed. :=( Hmmm? You are right Allie. I cannot reproduce it every time with new messages. For a while this morning, I was able to replicate the bug every time, using both replies as well as new messages, but at this moment, I cannot seem to do the same. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Nick, On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 at 14:08:14 GMT -0800 (which was 2:08 PM where I live) witnesses say Nick Andriash typed: No Januk, I can't reproduce it now either, but only moments before I was. Believe me, the bug exists... I believe you, that is why I'm interested in helping you pinpoint it. it's just intermittent, and difficult to pinpoint. Sorry for any confusion I may have created. Don't be. I'm sure there are a few people out there getting strange results. Maybe now they'll realize why and be able to help us find the bug for RITLabs. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 When I saw Nick's message about "The Bat! - bug report ", I felt like making these comments: [..] NA No Januk, I can't reproduce it now either, but only moments before I was. NA Believe me, the bug exists... it's just intermittent, and difficult to NA pinpoint. This has been my exact experience as well. Do you use the auto-format mode Nick? It tends to happen to me in that mode. - -- A. Curtis Martin [Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] PGPKey:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey 'PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms' _ TB! v1.48 Beta/7 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhhSUvAXeSHuB5k3EQLDZgCgnP5NT1Ax4hnsHD5pWNmaPsSMzQQAoNid cSHGdHw0vQjiSR3Gy9rU14ek =mETc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas Fernandez ! On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:28:16 +0800 GMT your local time, which was 18.11.2000, 08:28 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote: I do not confirm this. Message come in all the time, and I never see a blank screen where I was reading a message before. AFAICS you are using 1.48 Beta/6. The bug was reported for 1.47 Halloween Ed. What was your basis for your confirmation (or not-confirmation). This bug happened to me using the Halloween edition, but I never could reproduce this one so I never reported this. - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.48 Beta/6 PGP-Keys on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key - How can you respect a machine controlled by a mouse? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOhZVVbhGfhsaWJL3EQJ73QCguT9Cct2Iej3QT780FTclh9j3z4cAn062 Zr6PrUwKxQfi9sE9U1gihk2o =4jXR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hallo Mike, On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:59:47 -0500 GMT (18/11/2000, 05:59 +0800 GMT), Mike Yetto wrote: MY The bug description: MY If a message is received while reading a prior message the one MY being read is cleared. MY Steps to reproduce the bug: MY Open a message with message list visible, view only unread and MY thread by reference. While reading the message wait for another to MY arrive and you will be reading a blank screen. I do not confirm this. Message come in all the time, and I never see a blank screen where I was reading a message before. -- Cheers, Thomas. Wanted: $10,000 reward. Schroedinger's Cat. Dead or Alive. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello A, On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 at 17:37:15 GMT -0500 (which was 3:37 PM where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed: Enter a quick search string and hit the 'find next' shortcut (CTRLENTER), you will be simply moved to the next message in the list. Confirmed. See the sig for system details. This happens when you right click the quick search window and select 'find next'. I'm not sure what you meant, but the right click - find next option works properly here. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Friday, October 27, 2000, 3:37:15 PM, A. wrote: I'm using The Bat! Version 1.47 Halloween Edition Serial Number CCA4F9B8 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 Same configuration. The bug description: The 'find next' option for the quick search facility is broken. Steps to reproduce the bug: Enter a quick search string and hit the 'find next' shortcut (CTRLENTER), you will be simply moved to the next message in the list. Not confirmed. It works here. This happens when you right click the quick search window and select 'find next'. This one also works. This is really strange, considering that we're using the same version on the same OS. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 at 23:24:11 GMT -0700 (which was 11:24 PM where I live) witnesses say Januk Aggarwal typed: Enter a quick search string and hit the 'find next' shortcut (CTRLENTER), you will be simply moved to the next message in the list. Confirmed. See the sig for system details. Er, I recant this confirmation. It seems I put my brain on hold while performing this test. Quick search is working properly on my end. Hey Curtis, did you accidentally look at a thread where two people were responding to each other when you noticed this problem? (this is how I first tested the bug.) If you did, then both messages from one party and the replies to that message *could* be matched...just something to check. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:51:51 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote these comments about 'The Bat! - bug report': Confirmed. See the sig for system details. JA Er, I recant this confirmation. It seems I put my brain on hold JA while performing this test. Quick search is working properly on my JA end. Hey Curtis, did you accidentally look at a thread where two JA people were responding to each other when you noticed this problem? JA (this is how I first tested the bug.) If you did, then both messages JA from one party and the replies to that message *could* be JA matched...just something to check. It's the most bizarre thing here. The quick search is definitely not working with *only one particular folder*! It works for all the others. shrug Since the offending folder was the only folder that I needed to do a search on, I got bitten. This folder comprises all my bill receipts and registration receipts, so it's a negative your query Januk about the messages being related. The reply I got from Ritlabs also confirms it for Win2k only. even bigger shrug - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "If your attack is going well, then it's an ambush.. " _ TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition (S/N CCA4F9B8) «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOfq4cvAXeSHuB5k3EQISZwCeI4BHIBfFFCz8bwLZfHkTZi4TExIAoJM3 LZu8W6rCwyGDAQxLu+x1T/rg =gt6j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony, This is the sig and subsequent TB! PGP failure which occurred yesterday. On 17-Sep-2000 Tony Boom wrote: Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 03:01:08 GMT +0100 MDP The bug description: MDP If a signed PGP message contains TAB characters, TB converts these MDP to spaces and invalidates the PGP signature. MDP Steps to reproduce the bug: MDP Receive a signed message containing TAB characters and try to get MDP the signature to pass verification - it won't. I assume from the layout of your report that you used tabs in it as an example. If so I can't confirm your bug. I just imported your key from the keyserver and your signed bug report verifies OK. - -- Best regards, Gary Have you grepped your Penguin today? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Seahorse v0.4.9 http://seahorse.sourceforge.net iD8DBQE5xNOQMtt25e7JC1QRAvCwAJ4sjVYL2URCNOBFeaApvV9a2XRT9gCdGpOZ H6RaDxIX9dhx9fkaLfKvalY= =QY3M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report (VCard Export)
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Monday, September 18, 2000, Jerry Cook wrote to RIT Research Labs about The Bat! - bug report (VCard Export): JC When I try to export a VCard file from my address book, the card JC is always exported relating to the first contact in the particular JC group, rather than the current (highlighted) contact. When you export from an address book you export entire address book, vcf format supports multiple entries in one file, then when you view a vcf file it just positioned at first entry. Try export selection to export selected entries only. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.46c under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On September 16, 2000, at 7:01:08 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: Steps to reproduce the bug: Receive a signed message containing TAB characters and try to get the signature to pass verification - it won't. Confirmed! ;o) Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.46 Beta 6 | PGP 6.5.8 | Win 98 v4.10 ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop Security 6.5.8 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOcRriMUChHR7o/3OEQKBoQCdGpI6evcl4fL6VDc1VCwIGqpvoLgAoNk2 hyRZBLFn7Sr44y2lhm8VNdFZ =fMGm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This message: 17/09/2000 11:15 GMT. Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 03:01:08 GMT +0100 MDP The bug description: MDP If a signed PGP message contains TAB characters, TB converts these MDP to spaces and invalidates the PGP signature. MDP Steps to reproduce the bug: MDP Receive a signed message containing TAB characters and try to get MDP the signature to pass verification - it won't. I assume from the layout of your report that you used tabs in it as an example. If so I can't confirm your bug. I just imported your key from the keyserver and your signed bug report verifies OK. "Tab" - -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46c S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOcSal1hufLgmtMf4EQJCgwCeNAkFmWXLUh/lYPqVOQ/8yhnvWb4AoMDN b4/ps778RhVIyUKwOYPnxJiU =aPGG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Tony, On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 11:18:59 GMT +0100 (which was 3:18 AM where I live) witnesses say Tony Boom typed: I assume from the layout of your report that you used tabs in it as an example. If so I can't confirm your bug. I just imported your key from the keyserver and your signed bug report verifies OK. "Tab" TB converts TAB characters into spaces *as soon as* you type the tab character. Thus Marck's bug would not show up in his message. This would only work if the sender's e-mail client sends out a message with a tab character in the message. TB doesn't do this. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.46c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony, This is the sig and subsequent TB! PGP failure which occurred yesterday. On 17-Sep-2000 Tony Boom wrote: Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 03:01:08 GMT +0100 MDP The bug description: MDP If a signed PGP message contains TAB characters, TB converts these MDP to spaces and invalidates the PGP signature. MDP Steps to reproduce the bug: MDP Receive a signed message containing TAB characters and try to get MDP the signature to pass verification - it won't. I assume from the layout of your report that you used tabs in it as an example. If so I can't confirm your bug. I just imported your key from the keyserver and your signed bug report verifies OK. - -- Best regards, Gary Have you grepped your Penguin today? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Seahorse v0.4.9 http://seahorse.sourceforge.net iD8DBQE5xNOQMtt25e7JC1QRAvCwAJ4sjVYL2URCNOBFeaApvV9a2XRT9gCdGpOZ H6RaDxIX9dhx9fkaLfKvalY= =QY3M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Marck, Monday, July 31, 2000, 11:47:21, you wrote: MDP Hello The Bat! developers, MDP I'm using The Bat! Version 1.45 S/MIME MDP Serial Number 14F4B4B2 MDP under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 MDP and would like to report a bug MDP The bug description: MDP When the internal message viewer is used to view a .msg or a .eml MDP file launched from the Windows Explorer, after exit the file is MDP not closed properly. MDP Steps to reproduce the bug: MDP Open a .MSG file from the Explorer, close the viewer then try to MDP delete the file. MDP Regards, MDP Marck D. Pearlstone confirmed -- From Jamie Dainton [Bat] Monday, July 31, 2000 12:10:56 The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows 98 4.10 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Tom, On Montag, 17. Juli 2000 at 19:06:02 you wrote: TW When I klick on the "Send queued mail" button and the above error TW occurs it is not possible to send afterwards. To be precise, when TW klicking that button again the dialogue "nothing to send" appears. Perhaps this is because those messages are marked to go out already when the connection comes up, in other words, perhaps TB! is already planning on sending them, so it's no big deal? Right. Those messages appear in the queue (in the dialup-window) when I start another send or pull. But IMO I should be able to send those messages without waiting for the auto-dial (which shouldnt start anyway. That is another bug) or sending or pulling different mails. I tried to open the message that is sitting in the outbox and to send it with the button in the editor window. Actually that worked fine on first glance. But then I noticed that the message was sent twice. Once from the editor and the second time from the queue. Usually that bug doesnt bother me but when being in a hurry 120 seconds are driving you mad. ;-) Tobias -- Tobias Wrede "I wish I could spare a few centuries to learn." "It took us centuries to learn that it doesn't have to take centuries to learn." - "There is one thing I don't understand. In 300 years you never learned to swim?" "I just haven't got around to it yet." (Cpt Picard and Anij in Insurrection) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
TW When I klick on the "Send queued mail" button and the above error TW occurs it is not possible to send afterwards. To be precise, when TW klicking that button again the dialogue "nothing to send" appears. Perhaps this is because those messages are marked to go out already when the connection comes up, in other words, perhaps TB! is already planning on sending them, so it's no big deal? That's only a guess though because you said that if the timeout expires and the auto-dial kicks in (after 120 seconds) they get sent. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hallo Steve, Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2000 um 18:51:08 hast Du geschrieben: I'm using The Bat! Version 1.44 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 SP 6a here. Create a new filter. Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the string to search on. Will not work. works here. From that field (must be tabbed into) You mean 'clicked into'? It was your point above that you cant tab into. Did I get something wrong. try to tab into the drop down boxes next to it. Will not work. confirmed. But you can enter that drop down boxes with the arrow keys. But then again I cannot scroll in the list. :-( Definitly its a strange usage of tabkey and arrowkeys. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool who follows him? (Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Tobias, try to tab into the drop down boxes next to it. Will not work. confirmed. But you can enter that drop down boxes with the arrow keys. But then again I cannot scroll in the list. :-( Try space bar. Definitly its a strange usage of tabkey and arrowkeys. Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows programming. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows programming. Bite your tongue! I was tabbing around input fields well before there /was/ a Windows! That is standard practice of data entry for nearly as long as there has been data entry. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Steve, Friday, July 14, 2000, 8:17:32 AM, you wrote: Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows programming. Bite your tongue! I don't think I said anything to warrant a harsh reaction like this. I was tabbing around input fields well before there /was/ a Windows! That is standard practice of data entry for nearly as long as there has been data entry. I may have much less experience than you with computers and what little I have is with DOS/Windows. I certainly can't make any claim like "for nearly as there has been data entry". For what I do have experience with, I remember using many programs with "unstandard" practices, and my impression is that there were many more such programs in the past then there are today, hence my earlier claim. Please also note I was talking about two practices, not just tabbing around. Back to your original bug report. Create a new filter. Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the string to search on. Will not work. This one is working here. From that field (must be tabbed into) try to tab into the drop down boxes next to it. Will not work. TB is treating the whole filter string area as a field, and use arrow keys to move within it. After realizing it, I've come to like it better. Tabbing/Shift-Tabbing is a sequential movement; you can only move back and forth. The filter string area is structured as a 3-column table, and using arrow-keys to move around is more convenient. Just my personal opinion. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows programming. Bite your tongue! *rofl* ML I don't think I said anything to warrant a harsh reaction like this. I didn't think it was meant to be harsh but rather sort of funny to preface what was to come... ;) I was tabbing around input fields well before there /was/ a Windows! That is standard practice of data entry for nearly as long as there has been data entry. ML I may have much less experience than you with computers and what ML little I have is with DOS/Windows. I certainly can't make any claim ML like "for nearly as there has been data entry". I would say for nearly as long as there's been data entry too. I used IBM S/36 for a while, and I don't know if that predates PCs or not (386 was top-of-line when I was on S/36), but I got the impression that IBM has had tab assigned to the switching of fields for as long as they've been making minicomputers. Arrows are, imho, the logical way to move around in a field. Tab makes a good case for changing fields simply due to the fact that most implementations have arrows on the tab key. :) ML For what I do have experience with, I remember using many programs ML with "unstandard" practices, and my impression is that there were ML many more such programs in the past then there are today, hence my ML earlier claim. Please also note I was talking about two practices, ML not just tabbing around. True, there wasn't quite the jelling of practices that there is today. Which begs the question of why TB! wants to be another Esc-Meta-Alt- Ctrl-Shift (aka emacs) piece of software as opposed to the (more standard) one-key for each operation. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Friday, July 14, 2000, 8:55:50 AM, Ming-Li wrote: TB is treating the whole filter string area as a field, and use arrow keys to move within it. After realizing it, I've come to like it better. Tabbing/Shift-Tabbing is a sequential movement; you can only move back and forth. The filter string area is structured as a 3-column table, and using arrow-keys to move around is more convenient. Just my personal opinion. Yes, Stef and I went through this. That is exactly what it is, a field with three columns. However, as I pointed out what it is internally has little bearing on what it is to the user. To the user it is three fields and is a major pain when making a series of filters in a row as quickly as possible to tab through everything /except/ that area. It is the exceptions in expected behavior that give a program like TB! the quirkiness it has. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Tom Plunket wrote: I would say for nearly as long as there's been data entry too. I used IBM S/36 for a while, and I don't know if that predates PCs or not (386 was top-of-line when I was on S/36), Yes, definitely the /3x series predates the PC. but I got the impression that IBM has had tab assigned to the switching of fields for as long as they've been making minicomputers. That's correct. It has been on the /34, and that's about 20 years ago... Which begs the question of why TB! wants to be another Esc-Meta-Alt- Ctrl-Shift (aka emacs) piece of software as opposed to the (more standard) one-key for each operation. Heavily used functions should be accessible with only one/two keystrokes. In many newsreaders there is the common behaviour to use the space key for nearly everything (when dealing with reading of threads/messages). YMMV -- Ingo -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Steve and Bat Buddies... SL Create a new filter. Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the SL string to search on. Will not work. Not confirmed. Works here. SL From that field (must be tabbed into) try to tab into the drop down boxes SL next to it. Will not work. Confirmed. To add to Steve's bug report: If you keep pressing tab, the object focus does not go in a loop back up to the top of the current tabbed view. Instead, it goes on to the next tabbed view. Press it several more times, then go find the object now focused in another tabbed view! Odd behavior. -- Jason Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sine of the Beast: 0.809016994 [The Bat! v1.45 Beta/7, Win98] [AMD K6-2 400mhz, 128mb] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Thursday, July 13, 2000, 11:48:57 AM, Jason wrote: SL Create a new filter. Try to use the mouse to enter the text box for the SL string to search on. Will not work. Not confirmed. Works here. [The Bat! v1.45 Beta/7, Win98] Might be a WinNT specific problem. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
NA I don't see why we have to Ming-Li. We are not even sure if there is a NA bug, and even if there was, how are we to know if it's attributable to NA the Beta. I mean, everyone is using the latest Beta... Who exactly is "everyone"? I, for one, do not keep up with the latest and greatest. My email is far too valuable for a transient bug to come in and destroy my message base. Sure, it's possible, but I usually run 1-2 releases back from the current release anyway, just to be safe. ;) -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
Hi Nick, Create a template where you want to send two attachments together in the same message. Use the %ATTACHFILE macro to point to each file, one at a time, so that your Template clearly shows both attachments as being sent. If you set it up where you send yourself a test message, you will note that only one attachment is actually sent/received. Sorry, can't confirm here. I set it up exactly as you described, and went on to do several tests. All messages generated had two attachments in them. Here is what I did: I made a folder named "Test", and set up a folder-level reply template as below: Hi %OFromFName, %PUT="E:\My Documents\Signature Request.txt" %ATTACHMENTS -- Best regards, %FromFName %SINGLERE %ATTACHFILE="E:\My Documents\Nick Andriash~RSA.asc" %ATTACHFILE="E:\My Documents\Nick Andriash~DH_DSS.asc" As you can see, even the names of the files attached are the same as yours, though they are just dummy text files. (I haven't set up PGP yet, so I don't have keys to send.) The New Message Template was also set up exactly the same. I also set up a auto-reply filter responding to messages with "SendPGPKey" in their subject. I tried to send new messages, manually reply messages from that folder, and also tried to send myself test messages with the keyword in the subject so TB! would send out the auto-reply. All of them were sent with two files attached. I did notice an anomaly, though. See the "%ATTACHMENTS" macro in my template? When I "reply" manually a message from the test folder, the %ATTACHMENTS macro works, meaning it would list the names of the two outgoing files seperated by a semi-colon, like this: Nick Andriash~RSA.asc; Nick Andriash~DH_DSS.asc However, when I create a new message in the same folder (with exactly the same template, copy-pasted from the reply template), or when the test filter is triggered, the %ATTACHMENTS macro would not work. Instead, it would list attached files as None, when in fact, the files are attached. I'll leave the test filter on for a while, so you're free to send me a message with "SendPGPKey" in the subject line (without the quotation marks) and see if both files are attached. BTW, do you think we should move this thread to the TBBETA list? -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
On Monday, July 03, 2000, 1:55:20 AM, Ming-Li wrote: ML Sorry, can't confirm here. I set it up exactly as you described, ML and went on to do several tests. All messages generated had two ML attachments in them. Although based primarily on what you did Ming-Li, I did it just a little differently. Yesterday, I was just using my Inbox for all my requests and auto-replies, and using the "Auto-reply" feature listed under "Actions" in the filter, which is where I also created my template. This time, all I did different was create a separate Folder called PPGKeys, and had all requests go directly to that Folder. I tried to use the reply template of the new Folder, but I couldn't find anyway to automate the reply, so I went back to using the auto-reply in the Rules, and the template associated with it. This time, both attachments were sent, so I don't understand what was different, because the template I set up was exactly the same. The only difference being that I now use a separate Folder instead of the Inbox. However, now I am faced with a new dilemma. When a request comes in for my PGP Keys, the reply is automatic and both my keys are sent. :o) However, with every ensuing request, TB! somehow doubles the order! In other words, two copies of my Keys will be sent with the next request, three copies of my Keys will be sent out next, etc! Huh? I have no idea what is happening or why, but at any rate, I've almost given up on my project, because I don't want someone to be received 15 copies of my Public Keys, if you know what I mean! Any ideas of why TB! is duplicating the auto replies? Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
On Monday, July 03, 2000, 1:55:20 AM, Ming-Li wrote: ML BTW, do you think we should move this thread to the TBBETA list? I don't see why we have to Ming-Li. We are not even sure if there is a bug, and even if there was, how are we to know if it's attributable to the Beta. I mean, everyone is using the latest Beta, so I don't understand what criteria would be used to differentiate what should be discussed on TBUDL or TBBETA. Perhaps Marck could step in here and give us some direction. Nick --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner ~ http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
Hi Nick, However, now I am faced with a new dilemma. When a request comes in for my PGP Keys, the reply is automatic and both my keys are sent. :o) However, with every ensuing request, TB! somehow doubles the order! In other words, two copies of my Keys will be sent with the next request, three copies of my Keys will be sent out next, etc! Huh? I have no idea what is happening or why, but at any rate, I've almost given up on my project, because I don't want someone to be received 15 copies of my Public Keys, if you know what I mean! Any ideas of why TB! is duplicating the auto replies? Hi, I ran into this as well when I was testing the auto-reply filter, and let's see if you're making the same mistake as I did. This is how I set up the condition of the filter initially: Strings: SendPGPKey, Location: Subject, Presence: Yes Then I sent myself a request message. It works--the reply message was sent automatically. To be sure, I sent another one. This time I got two auto-reply message back! Why? Because the first auto-reply message had the subject "Re: SendPGPKey", and since it's received by me, it triggered yet another auto-reply. Coupling with the 2nd test request I sent, two auto-reply were sent. And this could go on and on. Silly me, isn't it? -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:16:57 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML Then I sent myself a request message. It works--the reply ML message was sent automatically. To be sure, I sent another one. ML This time I got two auto-reply message back! Why? Because the ML first auto-reply message had the subject "Re: SendPGPKey", and ML since it's received by me, it triggered yet another auto-reply. ML Coupling with the 2nd test request I sent, two auto-reply were ML sent. And this could go on and on. hah. This I anticipated and put a macro in my auto-reply template to create a subject not containing my auto-reply filter string. :-) -- Allie Martin[ TB! v1.45 Beta/5 | Win2k Pro ] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "The worst thing about censorship is [--CENSORED--]! " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report ~ Attachfile Macro
Hello Nick, On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 at 11:07:16 [GMT -0700], you wrote: ML BTW, do you think we should move this thread to the TBBETA list? NA I don't see why we have to Ming-Li. We are not even sure if there NA is a bug, and even if there was, how are we to know if it's NA attributable to the Beta. I mean, everyone is using the latest NA Beta, so I don't understand what criteria would be used to NA differentiate what should be discussed on TBUDL or TBBETA. Perhaps NA Marck could step in here and give us some direction. TBUDL is for discussion concerning issues with official releases (read non-beta), while TBBETA is for, you guessed it, issues concerning betas. We keep them separate so as to not confuse the people who don't use betas with discussion of beta specific problems on TBUDL. So, the short answer to your question, is if the problem/bug is apparent only in a beta release, then it needs to be moved/discussed on TBBETA. Hope this clears up the issue. Thanks. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/5 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Always sharpening his sleeping skills. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Message Truncated after =00
Hi Steve, On 22 May 2000 at 07:45:51 GMT -0700 (which was 15:45 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "The Bat! - bug report - Message Truncated after =00": the sequence "=00". At this sequence the message get truncated by the mail server (Zero Byte means often "end of Text"). Uhm, in what context. In the context of 'C' and 'C++' programming where a nul character (Ascii Zero) denotes the end of a string of characters. Since most *nix servers are written in C the chances are that some of them may well trip over nul bytes in strings fields. This is, of course, a coding bug rather than adherence to any specific standard :-). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.42f S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Message Truncated after =00
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 09:30:18AM +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: the sequence "=00". At this sequence the message get truncated by the mail server (Zero Byte means often "end of Text"). Uhm, in what context. In the context of 'C' and 'C++' programming where a nul character (Ascii Zero) denotes the end of a string of characters. Yes, now translate how a single null character will truncate an entire message and not just a single string; considering each line is a separate string. Also, aren't those codes normally appended to the end of the line? What, then, is going to be trunctated? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Message Truncated after =00
Hi Steve, On 23 May 2000 at 02:03:14 GMT -0700 (which was 10:03 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "The Bat! - bug report - Message Truncated after =00": In the context of 'C' and 'C++' programming where a nul character (Ascii Zero) denotes the end of a string of characters. Yes, now translate how a single null character will truncate an entire message and not just a single string; Easy (see below). considering each line is a separate string. Basic mistaken premise. You're talking standards/definitions - not 'C' programming. Also, aren't those codes normally appended to the end of the line? 'C' knows nothing of "lines". From the perspective of a 'C' program such entities are entirely a figment of the programmers fevered imagination. What, then, is going to be trunctated? :) 'C' programs know nothing of EOL /n characters. Streams know something of them ... if streams are being used at all. To parse a message and to stop at the end of every line is a feat of programming and not default behaviour of strings. The way this is usually achieved in 'C' is to read the message into a buffer and then to scan the buffer for /n characters. If the buffer (aka "string") runs out (i.e. has a nul) then a badly written program would stop parsing right there. This isn't a definitions issue. It's a bad programming issue. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.42f S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Message Truncated after =00
Sunday, May 21, 2000, 3:37:39 PM, Dirk wrote: Sometime the messages generated by the Bat! (quoted printable coding) contain the sequence "=00". At this sequence the message get truncated by the mail server (Zero Byte means often "end of Text"). Uhm, in what context. Last I saw RFC821 designated "\n.\n" as the end of text. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Jay, dia duit! On 24/03/2000 you may or may not have meant to post the following to TBUDL: Steps to reproduce the bug: Click on a message in the message list, hit Ctrl-R, voilá a reply. Double click on a message, hit Ctrl-R, voilá a reply. Click on a message in the message list, click into the message in the preview pane, hit Ctrl-R, NOTHING. If you hit the tab key twice to regain focus then hit Ctrl+R all is hunky dory :) Slán anois, Simon Obiter dictum: (Ralph from The Simpsons)" Me fail English? That's unpossible!" Send private mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Leave voicemail @ 01792 540900 (+44) Send Fax-2-Email @ 0870 7061323 (+44) ~~~ The Bat! version: 1.42 Beta/6 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html Notetab Std/Pro version: 4.8 http://www.notetab.com M$ Winblows version: 4.10. A http://www.youcanthaveyourowncd.con ~~~ PGP(http://www.pgp.com/asp_set/products/tns/jump_page_011800.asp) Key ID: 0x5C7E8966 DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 Key Server: ldap://certserver.pgp.com ~~~ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report (Redirect feature and non-relaying servers)
On Thursday 16 March 2000 Justin D. Paine wrote: of course.. but RBL requires that a spammer actually exploits a server before it is blacklisted.. for inclusion in ORBS, a server just has to be open to relaying.. Makes no matter if it's ever been used for spam, the mere fact that "it could be" is enough to get it blacklisted. Of course, it's up to individual administrator's policy to decide to go with one or the other, but I'd point out that ORBS has no magic wand or sixth sense: it finds mail hosts using well known techniques that the spammer and hacker community have been using for years. If they find an open relay which hasn't yet been abused, then it was probably just a matter of time before it was anyway. Could have been a long time of course, these things are probabalistic, but the information was there in the public domain for anyone else to see too. Once noticed by a blacklist site, the chances are that enough problems will be made for the admin of that site that they'll actually get off their arse and fix their mail server. If it was left until abuse actually occured, well there's no guarantee that they'd even notice they were being used to relay spam. From a certain point of view (and views do differ widely on this issue), this means that it's contributing more to the security of the net as a whole. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report (Redirect feature and non-relaying servers)
Hello! Thursday, March 16, 2000, 5:07, Justin D. Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JDP Well, if you use a server that allows relaying, it's only a matter JDP of time before it shows up on ORBS, and then a lot of mail servers JDP will begin rejecting all connections from it anyhow. I am administering some bunch of SMTP servers and have all of them protected from unwanted relaying/senders. As a system administrator I don't want to enable relaying in order to redirect some messages using any e-mail client - I'll forward them instead. However, a correct redirect implementation (see my original message) will be good for TB. JFYI, ORBS is not only one good spam-blocking system - have you heard about RBL? JDP Relaying used to be a great feature until spammers began abusing it. JDP sigh Sad but true (C) The Bat! :-) X-TheBat-Version: 1.41 X-OS: Windows 95 4.0. B PE X-System-Info: iP-III-500/128 -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Monday, March 13, 2000, Markus Gloede wrote to Bat List about The Bat! - bug report: MG and click OK nothing happens. :( That's what I thout at first also. But next time I checked mail I've got selected messages in my inbox forwarded (I have selected my address to forward to). -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.41 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello, Monday, March 13, 2000, You wrote: Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.41 Serial Number 4A849B39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Multiple forward is not working anymore. Steps to reproduce the bug: In the announcement for 1.41 you wrote: "[+] Forward/redirect of multiple messages is improved." Yet, when I select multiple mails and click the redirect button, enter an address in the dialog and click OK nothing happens. :( I saved version 1.41, which was stored on FTP server on 9:00am at 10.3.2000 and I had the same problem. Try to save it again, the file has 14:04 saved time now! (Or You can try to save only EXE file "thebat.zip" from ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/thebat.zip) -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.41 under the worst Windows 95 4.0 Build B Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 32 MB -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:01:17 +0100, Jast wrote: Steps to reproduce the bug: - change the name of an address book group by clicking on the name and changing it there directly - close TB - restart TB - the name should be the same now as before the change Confirmable? Confirmed. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT5 (Build 2195 ) --- ** Detour: The roughest distance between two points. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Wednesday, February 16, 2000, 3:58:31 PM, Soth wrote: other things) and don't have the luxury of dealing with many computer-literate people. Frankly, trying to get them to install and understand an ftp client (God forbid I try to explain command-line ftp) is too painful. Everyone has a browser and understands it, basically. Use one of the many "free drive" services on the net where file transfers are done with HTTP put and get. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:37:18 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Is that really a fair comparison? Well Yes. An email attachment is encoded into 7bit data. Right there you inrease the size of the file by 1/8th. So an 8Mg file becomes 9Mb. Of course, they don't use all of the 7bit characters, only a subset of it, so you loose another good 20%. Now that 8Mb has turned into ~10.6Mb. An 8Mb file, FTP'd over a 33.6k modem, will be 8Mb of data transferred for a total of ~41 minutes of download time (assuming my math is correct; I stopped guesstimating download times when I got my 24/7 modem connection). An 8Mb file, emailed, will take about 56 minutes on the same connection because it has been bloated to 10.6Mb. Moral of the story, once again, as I've said numerous times, don't email large attachments. Interesting. I always wondered why attachments increased in size the way that they did. You've in fact brought up another variable that I was not even considering which makes a direct comparison based on time and the raw speed of transfer using TB! vs. an FTP client to transfer the same file difficult to objectively compare. Another variable is that connection speeds to my mail server vary between sessions and within sessions and this is the same with ftp. Using a stopwatch and concluding from the findings that TB! transfers faster to the server byte for byte (irrespective of what the bytes are made of) than transfer via ftp seems undoable in the circumstances. :-/ Of course you're very valid variable that 7bit encoding increases the transfer size significantly makes these other points moot. :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Access denied: nah nah na nah nah! ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Tuesday, February 15, 2000, 10:28:31 AM, Allie wrote: About receiving mail... I've not seen TB fault on this, but I've sometimes got the impression that throughput is poor with large mails. Receiving a mail of, say, 8 MB seems to take significantly longer than ftping a file that size. I didn't doublecheck with a stopwatch, so I can't give values. Is that really a fair comparison? Well Yes. An email attachment is encoded into 7bit data. Right there you inrease the size of the file by 1/8th. So an 8Mg file becomes 9Mb. Of course, they don't use all of the 7bit characters, only a subset of it, so you loose another good 20%. Now that 8Mb has turned into ~10.6Mb. An 8Mb file, FTP'd over a 33.6k modem, will be 8Mb of data transferred for a total of ~41 minutes of download time (assuming my math is correct; I stopped guesstimating download times when I got my 24/7 modem connection). An 8Mb file, emailed, will take about 56 minutes on the same connection because it has been bloated to 10.6Mb. Moral of the story, once again, as I've said numerous times, don't email large attachments. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Mon, Feb 14, 2000 at 10:58:22AM -0500, Soth wrote: So, can anybody suggest a solid email client that intuitively handles multiple POP accounts, has excellent filtering features, a reasonable interface, and that doesn't kick the bucket when it comes to a big email? PMMail2000. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Monday, February 14, 2000, 9:07:18 AM, Soth wrote: *grin* Thank you. I love the interface. ;-) Now to put it under some of the same grueling tests that I've put TB! through... (ie/ 32000 + stored messages, see how it handles my joke list traffic, etc...) Well, it handled my workload quite well before I switched to TB!. I find the two comparable. and then to sit back and wait to see what happens in the next versions of TB!... esp. TB! 2... Most likely a lot of bad things from what I've seen on this list. It looks like RITLABS is setting themselves up for the same problems so many other commercial programmers do when they try to appease everyone and their mother. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Monday, February 14, 2000, 8:20:58 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: So, can anybody suggest a solid email client that intuitively handles multiple POP accounts, has excellent filtering features, a reasonable interface, and that doesn't kick the bucket when it comes to a big email? PMMail2000. I tried that Program a while back, and a few things I found I didn't like. For one, I just couldn't get PMMail to thread messages. It would group the messages of the same subject like Eudora does, but it wouldn't thread them. Secondly, I couldn't change the colour of quoted text. Thirdly, it has the poorest spell checker I've ever seen, and no additional dictionaries to complement the bastardised version they use. Fourthly well, there was no fourthly... I gave up on it after that. Perhaps I didn't give it long enough, but when I realised that it couldn't thread messages... or if it could, I certainly didn't find a way... I dumped it and found TB... and have been here ever since. :o) Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Monday, February 14, 2000, 11:54:00 AM, Nick wrote: Perhaps I didn't give it long enough, but when I realised that it couldn't thread messages... or if it could, I certainly didn't find a way... I dumped it and found TB... and have been here ever since. :o) It does not thread. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi there! On 14 Feb 00, at 11:54, Nick Andriash wrote about "Re: The Bat! - bug report": PMMail2000. I tried that Program a while back, and a few things I found I didn't like. For one, I just couldn't get PMMail to thread messages. It would group the messages of the same subject like Eudora does, but it wouldn't thread them. Secondly, I couldn't change the colour of quoted text. Thirdly, it has the poorest spell checker I've ever seen, and no additional dictionaries to complement the bastardised version they use. Fourthly well, there was no fourthly... I gave up on it after that. I would like to add that PMMail has the poorest miltilingual support I've ever seen. The other MUAs available just tell you frankly: yes, I can do this or: no, I can't do this. PMMail, contrary to that, _pretends_ to support the MIME multilingual extensions as covered by RFCs 2045 and 2047, but actually sends out trash and can't read properly formatted mail. I discovered this only 'coz I'm in a habit of checking this part of functionality in full details. Perhaps I didn't give it long enough, but when I realised that it couldn't thread messages... or if it could, I certainly didn't find a way... I dumped it and found TB... and have been here ever since. :o) Almost the same here: when I found it can't do what I need, I kicked it off. It was installed on my machine for maybe a couple of hours... BTW. I never was really sure whether the development of PMMail is going on still or has been already stopped. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: You cannot successfully determine beforehand which side of the bread to butter. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:20:58 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: So, can anybody suggest a solid email client that intuitively handles multiple POP accounts, has excellent filtering features, a reasonable interface, and that doesn't kick the bucket when it comes to a big email? PMMail2000. You can try it but it was PMMail that had me searching for some free webspace to ftp my stuff to. It was frustrating as well with large attachments. Maybe they fixed things since PMMail98. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** It's smart to pick your friends, but not to pieces. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:58:22 -0500, Soth wrote: Well, I'm back with my favourite pet peeve. And since I'm in a bad mood, I'll be blunt. Although TB! is, without question, my favourite email client, it SUCKS in a big-huge way when it comes to handling big email attachments. Yes, I am talking multiple-megabyte (sometimes upwards of 15 megs) email attachments. I know that some of you email purists shudder at the thought, and I know that others are revolted by the fact that I'm willing to accept, and sometimes send, email that big. But, frankly, I don't care. ROTFL! Yes, I'm a bad, bad boy for sending email that big. Who cares. Fix the problem. Why should TB! use in excess of 192 megs of ram when trying to import (or open) an email with a 8 meg attachment?! This problem is as you say old. Since I don't practice sending large e-mail attachments g, I can only give second hand information. It was said that dragging and dropping the attachment anywhere unto the TB! main window creates a new message with the attachment without hassle. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Reality is for those who can't handle Star Trek. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Allie Martin, On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:55:06 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 15, 2000, 6:55:06 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Yes, I'm a bad, bad boy for sending email that big. Who cares. Fix the problem. Why should TB! use in excess of 192 megs of ram when trying to import (or open) an email with a 8 meg attachment?! This problem is as you say old. Since I don't practice sending large e-mail attachments g, I can only give second hand information. It was said that dragging and dropping the attachment anywhere unto the TB! main window creates a new message with the attachment without hassle. correct, thats the way I always did it so I never knew with big attachments I wasnt getting the problem since I ftp Until I verified it on my system... Using the menus to select a file or drag and dump isnt the same... By far the recommended way to transmit large amounts of data and if you do have to email it, use winrar, set it to split and make an SFX. All the receiver has to do is to run the exe to recombine/expand the file. By the way windows also doesnt behave the same in many related actions. So the real problem could be even in Windows in that one of their routines used doesnt work as well as the other one does. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/3 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello Soth, On Monday, February 14, 2000 at 10:58:22 GMT -0500 (which was 15/02/2000 22:58 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: S Well, I'm back with my favourite pet peeve. And since I'm in a bad S mood, I'll be blunt. Although TB! is, without question, my favourite S email client, it SUCKS in a big-huge way when it comes to handling S big email attachments. Yes, I am talking multiple-megabyte (sometimes S upwards of 15 megs) email attachments. I know that some of you email S purists shudder at the thought, and I know that others are revolted S by the fact that I'm willing to accept, and sometimes send, email S that big. But, frankly, I don't care. Yes, I'm a bad, bad boy for S sending email that big. Who cares. Fix the problem. Why should TB! S use in excess of 192 megs of ram when trying to import (or open) an S email with a 8 meg attachment?! S So, can anybody suggest a solid email client that intuitively handles S multiple POP accounts, has excellent filtering features, a reasonable S interface, and that doesn't kick the bucket when it comes to a big S email? The Bat! :-) I am also the one who sometimes sent and receive mail with big attachment. Because I am using Dial Up Account, and sometimes download file from certain site very very slow, so I was asking my friends who have high bandwith and full on-line connection to download the file I want, and he sent me by mail (he don't have FTPServer). Sometimes I download from home, then send the file to office using mail. My experience here, I can send/receive mail with big attachment even I only use Pentium-166, 32 MB, win98 (at home) and Pentium-II/266, 64 MB, 2x4GB at office (my mail server in the office using Pentium-166, 64 MB, 2 x 4 GB). Most of all Service Pack for Windows NT4 and Netware 4.11 (the file size range from 35 MB to 78 MB) I send/receive by mail (envelopt by mail, the size enlarge around 30%). At home, I must running "keep alive" utility to maintain the connection. IMHO, I feel The Bat! running much stable on Windows NT. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Tuesday, February 15, 2000, 8:38:21 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Oleg, Monday, January 24, 2000, 7:57:09 AM, you wrote: OZ Hello, the Bat! list recipients, OZ Sunday, January 23, 2000, Mark Aston wrote to RIT Research Labs about OZ The Bat! - bug report: MA "Server reports error. The response is -ERR Could not open Inbox for MA MA Connection to host broken last commands sent was PASS USER " OZ Contact your postmaster. Most likely some broken message blocks your OZ mailbox on server. It was a setting in TB! which caused the problem, I was able to download with another MUA. The problem was caused by having 'TCP/IP or Dial-up server' selected, when I changed it to 'workstation with TCP/IP' everything was OK. -- Best regards, Mark Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4 10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hallo Mark, On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:11:21 + GMT (23.01.2000, 18:11 +0800 GMT), Mark Aston wrote: MA I use a dial-up account, if I am already connected TB! collects all MA my accounts no problem, if however I initiate dial-up from TB! I get MA the following MA "Server reports error. The response is -ERR Could not open Inbox MA for Connection to host broken last commands sent was PASS MA USER " I cannot confirm this, as I also use both at home: sometimes I'm connected while web-surfing and check mail from time to time (alt-F2). Sometimes I am not connected, but due to my addiction (see Organization in my header g), hit alt-F2 in passing quite often. I do get error reports sometimes, but these are always due to a bad telephone connection AFAIK. MA You would naturally think this was a POP server error, however I MA have collected all mail successfully, and repeatedly from the same MA POP server using another MUA, whilst TB! repeatedly gives the MA above errors. Do you get this error *always* when you hit alt-F2 while not yet connected, or only sometimes? If so, do you manually connect with the same DUN file? - I mean Account/Properties/Network/Dial Up Networking Connection. I have a pop-down list showing all the DUN connections I have installed on my PC. I usually use only one, at that is the same for both manually connecting and letting TB do the honours. If the DUN connection you have selected here is different from the one you use for manual connections, that may be the cause of the error. I take it you have "Use an existing Dial-up connection (if any)" checked. I cannot think of anything else that could be different. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Thomas, Sunday, January 23, 2000, 11:10:02 AM, you wrote: TF If so, do you manually connect with the same DUN file? - I mean TF Account/Properties/Network/Dial Up Networking Connection. I have a TF pop-down list showing all the DUN connections I have installed on my TF PC. I usually use only one, at that is the same for both manually TF connecting and letting TB do the honours. If the DUN connection you TF have selected here is different from the one you use for manual TF connections, that may be the cause of the error. TF I take it you have "Use an existing Dial-up connection (if any)" TF checked. Yes I have that checked, and I only have one dial-up connection on this PC, however I think I have solved the problem, I changed the setting in Network from 'TCP/IP or Dial-out server' to 'workstation with TCP/IP' and all is now working fine. Why that should make a difference I have no idea. -- Best regards, Mark Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4 10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
