Re[3]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
At 12:10 PM on 2/12/2004, Onno Broekmans typed ... O Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :) I've seen the space at the end of the cutline be eaten, too. It hasn't happened recently, but you're not imagining the problem. I've just never been able to reproduce it reliably. -- Bill Blinn - Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 2/12/2004 at 12:35 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Quotations are for people who don't say things themselves worth quoting. This line was left blank intentionally, but now these words are in it. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Leif, Thursday, February 5, 2004, 7:50:46 AM, you wrote: C It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and C not the top. LG That is correct, and as Marck alluded to earlier in this thread, the LG reason we do not include the cut line in the list footer. If we did, LG then the poster's cut line wouldn't cut. Hence the reason we ask LG people to include a cut line in their posts. Well, we all love a bit of circular logic! If you insist on it, insist on it - there's reason enough without the above. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Allister, Sunday, February 8, 2004, 6:46:36 PM, you wrote: AJ Well, we all love a bit of circular logic! If you insist on it, AJ insist on it - there's reason enough without the above. Nope, nothing circular about it. I purposely added another cutline below my signature to simulate what would happen if we included it in the list footer. When you reply, you'll have to remove my sig manually. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: AJ -- AJ Cheers, AJ Allister LG Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists LG of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. LG This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without LG the signature and list footers since everything below and including LG the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. Hello all, Well, there *was* a cut mark, was there? That reminds me of the little problem I have with The Bat!, so I'm posting this reply here. Not sure about it, just wondering if it's me or TB. When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not properly removing signatures etc. Regards, -- Onno Broekmans |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Website:http://www.onnodb.com Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:08:18 AM, you wrote: OB Well, there *was* a cut mark, was there? That reminds me of the OB little problem I have with The Bat!, so I'm posting this reply OB here. Not sure about it, just wondering if it's me or TB. OB Regards, Please note, the below is not my real signature. I tested this with a template to show it does work. -- Onno Broekmans |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Website:http://www.onnodb.com Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 9:08:18 AM, you wrote: OB When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the OB trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in OB the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not OB properly removing signatures etc. Hmmm. I haven't noticed that being a problem here. My Template for this list is as follows: Hello %TOFName, %Cursor Tagline of the day: %COOKIE=L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\Tags.txt -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB %FROM= %FROM=Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] %REPLYTO= %REPLYTO=Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] %IF:%TOLIST%CCLIST%BCCLIST=:%TO='[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Just for the heck of it, I'm going to reply to your post a second time and use your signature to show it works fine. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: OB When entering a template's contents, TB seems to 'eat' the OB trailing space after the two dashes. The same seems to happen in OB the message editor. This seems to lead to bugs, like TB not OB properly removing signatures etc. LG Hmmm. I haven't noticed that being a problem here. My Template for LG this list is as follows: Hi Leif, Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :) Regards, -- Onno Broekmans |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Website:http://www.onnodb.com Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 10:10:02 AM, you wrote: OB Well, perhaps I'm just talking gibberish... Never mind then :) OB Regards, OB -- OB Onno Broekmans OB |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OB |Website:http://www.onnodb.com OB Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 OB Service Pack 1 I don't know about that, as your cutline is obviously not working. If you do that dashdashSpaceEnter correctly, the cutline will work as advertised. Try doing it manually. Reply to this, delete your sig, and type: -- From Onno It should work fine provided you do a -- enter. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: LG Try doing it manually. Reply to this, delete your sig, and type: LG -- LG From Onno LG It should work fine provided you do a -- enter. Hi Leif, Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when doing it manually from the message editor. If it does, then perhaps I should try to fix my template... Btw, any idea if setting a template for a parent folder also sets that template for the folders in it? Or if there's a quick way to apply one template to multiple folders simultaneously? -- Regards, Onno Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 11:19:37 AM, you wrote: OB Well, hereby a message with a cutmark-test to see if it works when OB doing it manually from the message editor. If it does, then OB perhaps I should try to fix my template... Btw, any idea if OB setting a template for a parent folder also sets that template for OB the folders in it? Or if there's a quick way to apply one template OB to multiple folders simultaneously? It worked fine. See, you just had to believe in me! grin What I did was create a text file that is actually my sig, then used the %PUT macro. i.e. %PUT=L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\TBsig.txt You can create as many different sig text files as you want, and then you only have to modify them once to affect any number of folders. BTW, my .txt file for each sig is where the -- cutline is... i.e. The contents of my TBsig.txt file is as follows. *** -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB *** -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
On Thursday, February 12, 2004 , Leif Gregory wrote: LG What I did was create a text file that is actually my sig, then LG used the %PUT macro. i.e. LG %PUT=L:\Program Files\The Bat!\templates\TBsig.txt Hi Leif, Now *that*'s a terrific idea! Will do that shortly... It does not only properly solve the cut mark problem, but also makes life a bit easier ;-) Thanks a lot! Regards, -- Onno Broekmans |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Website:http://www.onnodb.com Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Onno, Thursday, February 12, 2004, 1:37:52 PM, you wrote: OB Now *that*'s a terrific idea! Will do that shortly... It does not OB only properly solve the cut mark problem, but also makes life a OB bit easier ;-) Thanks a lot! Great! Looking forward to seeing proper cutlines from you soon! ;-) Glad to help. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
On Wednesday, February 4, 2004 @ 11:23:19 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote: I know that threading by references rocks and agree with the convenience but some may choose not to do so for whatever reason they may have. I'll hop in here...I do TbR (Thread by Reference) with most of my folders but many many mail lists have a broken reference setup and threading by reference just looks ugly. -- Matt Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Chris, On 4 Feb 2004 at 00:11:48 -0500 GMT [06:11 CET] you wrote: On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote: C Somewhat random observation: C Since mailing lists are not one-to-one, you should consider using the C original sender's name and not the pronoun you. This can be C accomplished by replacing you in your template with C %O(FROM | REPLY)?NAME. Why? If the name is mentioned in the greeting there's no need to mention it again. It's already clear whose quotation that is. -- Cheers, Andre Wenn du meinst, die ganze Welt sei schlecht, dann bedenke, dass Leute wie du darin leben. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Chris, On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:40:39 -0500 GMT (04/02/2004, 10:40 +0700 GMT), Chris wrote: It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and not the top. Yes, the last cutline will be used. I don't think that is a problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Huhn mit 2 J. TUV und neuem Auspuff zu vergeben. * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Fernandez wrote: It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and not the top. Yes, the last cutline will be used. I don't think that is a problem. The main benefit occurs when replying to text in a list digest. Each message has a cutmark so if TB! worked with the first cutmark going from top to bottom you'd have fun trying to selectively quote any message text below the cutmark for the first message. The other problem is many, including myself, uses the rich text viewer and have signature text coloured etc. so that it's unobtrusive and therefore clearly viewed as signature text. If TB! worked with the first cut mark in a digest, it would colour *all* messages below the cutmark of the first digest message the same as signature text since the rest of the digest would be treated as a signature. - -- - -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys - http://pgp.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBQCEhfvfVJPYBByHcEQI/dACfQPcjOgowRcHEavS+TSnkhZA1FpwAnRlh Sm+CSxumIUK8ZO8ANfwVw6gQ =wZfI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Andre, Why? If the name is mentioned in the greeting there's no need to mention it again. It's already clear whose quotation that is. Agree. And also there is threading :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Chris, Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 8:42:25 PM, you wrote: C What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the C trouts that people get slapped with on IRC? The trouts predated even IRC. I used them when I ran a BBS in the mid 90s, and even then I picked up the trout habit from somewhere else (don't recall where). So, trouting has been around f'ever. I honestly can't remember where I first heard the term, but I know it predates the BBS boom. Anyone else know where it started? BTW, I took this to TBOT, so please reply there. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Chris, Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 8:40:39 PM, you wrote: C It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and C not the top. That is correct, and as Marck alluded to earlier in this thread, the reason we do not include the cut line in the list footer. If we did, then the poster's cut line wouldn't cut. Hence the reason we ask people to include a cut line in their posts. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Chris, On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 11:09:09 PM, Mary R Bull wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Like moderators say when they act as such, please don't feel singled out Cris by what I am going to comment or ask you. Most things apply to many others on this and other TB lists. - Who cares about the date and time Mary Bull wrote her message? If I cared, I could always look it up in her message. Which in a threaded by reference view is right above yours. - And even more, who cares about which was your local time when Mary Bull wrote her message? I know you don't do this, but many others do. See why you don't have to feel singled out? - Why do you have to repeat that Mary Bull wrote the message you are replying to? I can see her message right above yours. - Why do you have to repeat the subject? I can see it in the Subject: of your message and in the Subject of all messages in the thread. - Who cares about Mary Bull's message ID number? Why do you include it before quoting what you want to quote? Does it help to something or someone? MID links may be useful when you refer to a message which is way up or down in the message list. But if I want to see Mary's message to re-read it, I can easily see it because it is just above your message. As I said Cris, please don't feel singled out. I just used you to ask the same questions to many others. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Mau, [M] wrote: M Like moderators say when they act as such, please don't feel singled M out Cris by what I am going to comment or ask you. Most things apply M to many others on this and other TB lists. Isn't it a nice diplomatic start? :) M - Who cares about the date and time Mary Bull wrote her message? If I M cared, I could always look it up in her message. Which in a threaded M by reference view is right above yours. Not everyone threads by references, or necessarily keeps every message in a thread. So the message isn't always conveniently above the other to make reference to. I know that threading by references rocks and agree with the convenience but some may choose not to do so for whatever reason they may have. M - And even more, who cares about which was your local time when Mary M Bull wrote her message? I know you don't do this, but many others do. M See why you don't have to feel singled out? I do question the necessity of this one. However, who knows who may very well care about this. And why is it you, or I for that matter, have to care about everything in an introduction for it to be worthwhile including? M - Why do you have to repeat that Mary Bull wrote the message you are M replying to? I can see her message right above yours. This is reliably true only if you thread by references and/or if the the reader had not already deleted the previous messages in the thread. On a few occasions in the past, I have been confused when this information was not included in a reply and it really annoyed me since it takes little effort to include it. Why? It's fully automated in most clients and would therefore amount to a *deliberate* act on the part of the writer to have it removed. M - Why do you have to repeat the subject? I can see it in the Subject: M of your message and in the Subject of all messages in the thread. Yes. This does seem redundant, IMO. However, we all have our styles in presenting ourselves. M - Who cares about Mary Bull's message ID number? Why do you include it M before quoting what you want to quote? Does it help to something or M someone? Again, for those who don't thread, or for those who use a ticker virtual folder and may not have the full thread in view. M As I said Cris, please don't feel singled out. I just used you to ask M the same questions to many others. Same here. This response is for not only you but for those who may be wondering about the same things as you here. :) -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 Beta/53 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Allie, Mau, [M] wrote: M Like moderators say when they act as such, please don't feel singled M out Cris by what I am going to comment or ask you. Most things apply M to many others on this and other TB lists. Isn't it a nice diplomatic start? :) M - Who cares about the date and time Mary Bull wrote her message? If I M cared, I could always look it up in her message. Which in a threaded M by reference view is right above yours. Not everyone threads by references, or necessarily keeps every message in a thread. So the message isn't always conveniently above the other to make reference to. I know that threading by references rocks and agree with the convenience but some may choose not to do so for whatever reason they may have. M - And even more, who cares about which was your local time when Mary M Bull wrote her message? I know you don't do this, but many others do. M See why you don't have to feel singled out? I do question the necessity of this one. However, who knows who may very well care about this. And why is it you, or I for that matter, have to care about everything in an introduction for it to be worthwhile including? M - Why do you have to repeat that Mary Bull wrote the message you are M replying to? I can see her message right above yours. This is reliably true only if you thread by references and/or if the the reader had not already deleted the previous messages in the thread. On a few occasions in the past, I have been confused when this information was not included in a reply and it really annoyed me since it takes little effort to include it. Why? It's fully automated in most clients and would therefore amount to a *deliberate* act on the part of the writer to have it removed. M - Why do you have to repeat the subject? I can see it in the Subject: M of your message and in the Subject of all messages in the thread. Yes. This does seem redundant, IMO. However, we all have our styles in presenting ourselves. M - Who cares about Mary Bull's message ID number? Why do you include it M before quoting what you want to quote? Does it help to something or M someone? Again, for those who don't thread, or for those who use a ticker virtual folder and may not have the full thread in view. M As I said Cris, please don't feel singled out. I just used you to ask M the same questions to many others. Same here. This response is for not only you but for those who may be wondering about the same things as you here. :) I obviously disagree with you. Please note that if I quote you full message without any trimming is because some people may have deleted your message and not have it in their message base, or may not be using a threaded view or may be using the ticker virtual folder. Cheers. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Mau, [M] wrote: M Please note that if I quote you full message without any trimming is M because some people may have deleted your message and not have it in M their message base, or may not be using a threaded view or may be M using the ticker virtual folder. Your response surprises me. On the one hand we're discussing an introduction that is 2 or three lines long and questioning its redundancy. And now you're trying to compare it to quoting my *entire* 55+ lines of original message text. *Clearly*, it's a matter of compromise and reaching a generally accepted point without being excessive. Though we can reasonably make concessions by including helpful reminders/information in an introduction to a reply, to quote the entire message in the context of a discussion list is absolutely unreasonable. In different settings it's not, and I do quite often quote complete original messages in replies outside discussion lists. I do think you see my point but just wish to be difficult. Introductions of the type you so criticize are not disallowed on this list. However, overquoting is. Note that we *do* quote some of the original text when we do reply and your mischievous counter-argument would hold water *only* if we didn't quote any original text at all. Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word introductions to their replies. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 Beta/53 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Allie, Your response surprises me. Why? You should know me by now. On the one hand we're discussing an introduction that is 2 or three lines long and questioning its redundancy. Redundant and unnecessary information is redundant and unnecessary regardless of how long it is. And now you're trying to compare it to quoting my *entire* 55+ lines of original message text. No, I wasn't trying to compare both things. I was just trying to show that I could use your same arguments to try justify over quoting (which means including redundant and unnecessary information) in a list like this. snipped I do think you see my point but just wish to be difficult. I see your point but I don't agree with it. And yes, maybe I'm trying to be difficult, but not _just_ trying to be difficult. Introductions of the type you so criticize are not disallowed on this list. However, overquoting is. I know, and the rules are the rules and I accept them even if I may not like some of them . However, the fact that this kind of introductions are allowed doesn't mean they are necessary or that they include any useful/helpful information. They just include redundant and unnecessary information. Allowed, but unnecessary and redundant. Note that we *do* quote some of the original text when we do reply and your mischievous counter-argument would hold water *only* if we didn't quote any original text at all. I guess you didn't understand my counter-argument. Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word introductions to their replies. Of course we can. Cheers :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Allie, Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word introductions to their replies. Sorry Allie, I agreed on stopping this but I forgot something about nitpicking. This is from your MOD template about cut mark and used in this same thread by Marck: ,- [ ] | This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without | the signature and list footers since everything below and including | the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. `- I would understand this if quoting the whole message was allowed. But if doing in-line quoting and trimming, what difference does it make to include a cut mark or not? ,- [ ] | Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make | any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being | courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is | added to your signature by the list server. `- At least three lines of text? Being courteous to other readers? H. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 4:06 PM, you wrote: AM Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word AM introductions to their replies. M Sorry Allie, I agreed on stopping this but I forgot something about M nitpicking. M This is from your MOD template about cut mark and used in this same M thread by Marck: snip M At least three lines of text? Being courteous to other readers? H. Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee. The cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this list, and I am really glad the moderators enforce it. (Even though mine gets messed up, sometimes.) However, I'm sorry that I butted into the thread originally. The anonymous tb is determined not to use one. Not my affair. So, I thought I'd be courteous and welcome him, in case he should be the newcomer I had assumed him to be. And, instead, I got jumped on for not using a convention that another fellow-subscriber preferred, and then the whole thing veered off onto *his* conventions!! Really, this truly ought to be on tbot, IMHO, and I do wish you'd subscribe there. *And*--to complicate matters, I did feel so much as if you'd come to my defense, criticizing the criticizer! All of us need more sleep? (Picking up on the tbbeta banter here.) :) I'll say this, you and Allie are both among my heroes, and I can't bear to see you bickering over these small points. Long live the cut-mark! Long live Miguel, Allie, Leif, and Marck. Actually, I had taken a vow to stay out of this thread, further, but you are irresistible. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hi MAU, on Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:06:38 +0100GMT, you wrote: M ,- [ ] M | This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without M | the signature and list footers since everything below and including M | the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. M `- M I would understand this if quoting the whole message was allowed. But if M doing in-line quoting and trimming, what difference does it make to M include a cut mark or not? It makes a difference when viewing it in RTV. It looks much nicer and is easier to ignore when everything below the cut mark appears smaller and in light grey as it does here... :o) M ,- [ ] M | Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make M | any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being M | courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is M | added to your signature by the list server. M `- M At least three lines of text? Being courteous to other readers? H. Three lines isn't much, right. But what should be wrong about courtesy? :-) -- Cheers Peter The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with. Marty Feldman Winamp currently playing: Paolo Conte - Tango Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
At 5:26 PM on 2/4/2004, Peter Meyns typed ... P Three lines isn't much, right. But what should be wrong about P courtesy? :-) Seems like an excellent idea to me. Now will someone please say Nazi so this topic can officially end! g -- Bill Blinn - Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 2/4/2004 at 5:37 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose. This line was left blank intentionally, but now these words are in it. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Mary, Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee. Tomorrow morning. If I have some coffee now I won't sleep. The cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this list, and I am really glad the moderators enforce it. (Even though mine gets messed up, sometimes.) I have nothing against the cut mark. The point I am trying to get across (apparently unsuccessfully) is that some reasons and arguments are good for three lines, the footer, at the end of a message and not for the introduction. manually snipped : Really, this truly ought to be on tbot, IMHO, and I do wish you'd subscribe there. Naaah. Too much alcohol and too much smoking there. *And*--to complicate matters, I did feel so much as if you'd come to my defense, criticizing the criticizer! That was just a coincidence :) I'll say this, you and Allie are both among my heroes, and I can't bear to see you bickering over these small points. I only argue with people I appreciate. If I don't care about someone, I don't bother to discuss/argue with him/her. Long live the cut-mark! Long live Miguel, Allie, Leif, and Marck. Actually, I had taken a vow to stay out of this thread, further, but you are irresistible. :) Err, are you married Mary? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Peter, It makes a difference when viewing it in RTV. It looks much nicer and is easier to ignore when everything below the cut mark appears smaller and in light grey as it does here... :o) I know, and I have said I have nothing against the cut mark. The RTV, the reader for those who actually like HTML e-mail but will not admit it ;-) Three lines isn't much, right. But what should be wrong about courtesy? :-) Don't misunderstand me. Of course there is nothing wrong with courtesy. But why ask for courtesy at the end of the message (where no one looks anyway) and not at the beginning (where every one does look)? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 4:41 PM, you wrote MRB Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee. M Tomorrow morning. If I have some coffee now I won't sleep. It's a date. :) MRB The cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this MRB list, and I am really glad the moderators enforce it. (Even though MRB mine gets messed up, sometimes.) M I have nothing against the cut mark. The point I am trying to get across M (apparently unsuccessfully) is that some reasons and arguments are good M for three lines, the footer, at the end of a message and not for the M introduction. Yes, I saw that. But, as you see, I also (mistakenly?) read it as an argument for doing away with a sig delimiter. I wish I had a template to erase all the beginning of messages, too, and just begin with the quoted text. Shift-Reply arrow doesn't always work for that, when there are a number of passages of text one would like to reply too. M manually snipped : MRB Really, this truly ought to be on tbot, IMHO, and I do wish you'd MRB subscribe there. M Naaah. Too much alcohol and too much smoking there. g MRB *And*--to complicate matters, I did feel so much as if you'd come to my MRB defense, criticizing the criticizer! M That was just a coincidence :) I thought it was, but it helped soothe my wounded feelings a little bit. :) MRB I'll say this, you and Allie are both among my heroes, and I can't MRB bear to see you bickering over these small points. M I only argue with people I appreciate. If I don't care about someone, I M don't bother to discuss/argue with him/her. I know. And it's between you and Allie, anyway. Since you don't want coffee, can I offer you a beer? MRB Long live the cut-mark! Long live Miguel, Allie, Leif, and Marck. MRB Actually, I had taken a vow to stay out of this thread, further, but MRB you are irresistible. :) M Err, are you married Mary? ;-) No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May arrangements. :) Happy upcoming Valentine's Day to Miguel! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hi MAU, on Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:46:33 +0100GMT, you wrote: Three lines isn't much, right. But what should be wrong about courtesy? :-) M Don't misunderstand me. Of course there is nothing wrong with courtesy. M But why ask for courtesy at the end of the message (where no one looks M anyway) and not at the beginning (where every one does look)? Right. Let's look at both ends. *S* -- Cheers Peter | RandomSignature-Professional 3.2 - DEMO | !!!You are using an illegal key! Please buy a LEGAL copy!!! Winamp currently playing: Portishead - Numb Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Mary, No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May arrangements. :) Way to old for me? What do you know? I'm not a kid any more. Actually, I haven't been a kid for many many years. And when I say many many I mean many many. :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 5:22 PM, you wrote: MRB No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May MRB arrangements. :) M Way to old for me? What do you know? I'm not a kid any more. Actually, I M haven't been a kid for many many years. And when I say many many I mean M many many. :) So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :) How many grandchildren do you have? g -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Mary, So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :) Just include this macro at the beginning of your template: %REDUNDANTANDUNNECESSARYINFO=%- How many grandchildren do you have? g None. But I won't tell you why :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 5:39 PM, you wrote: MRB So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that MRB beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the MRB point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :) M Just include this macro at the beginning of your template: M %REDUNDANTANDUNNECESSARYINFO=%- Done. Thanks a million. :) MRB How many grandchildren do you have? g M None. But I won't tell you why :) Not relevant anyway. G Not really a very good clue to one's age. :) Since we both prefer plain text, here's your valentine message from me: Happy Valentine to Miguel, Who writes templates so well, Who likes beer and likes coffee, Though his age he won't tell! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello Mary, Though his age he won't tell! I won't tell but I can write it :) I'll be 61 in two months from today. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 6:13 PM, you wrote: MRB Though his age he won't tell! Indispensable Miguel!! M I won't tell but I can write it :) I'll be 61 in two months from M today. Then I shall also write a birthday rhyme for you! I'll be 77 in about 3 months. And I have one grandchild, who'll be 21 in two days and was born in a February snowstorm. BTW, that template only seems to work on messages from you. g :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
mod: Off-topic (Was: Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support))
Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: MB I'll be 77 in about 3 months. And I have one grandchild, who'll be 21 MB in two days and was born in a February snowstorm. MB BTW, that template only seems to work on messages from you. g :) Ok. It's time guys. :)) moderator I deleted an account and deleted my moderatorial templates. ooops!!! Anyway, not to ever single you out Mary. ;) This thread has gone on long enough and has even drifted into the off-topic realm. Time to move it to TBOT. Thanks!! /moderator -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.03 Beta/53 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: mod: Off-topic (Was: Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support))
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 6:37 PM, you wrote: AM Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: snip AM Ok. It's time guys. :)) AM moderator AM I deleted an account and deleted my moderatorial templates. ooops!!! AM Anyway, not to ever single you out Mary. ;) AM This thread has gone on long enough and has even drifted into the AM off-topic realm. Indisputably. I'm sorry. :) AM Time to move it to TBOT. Thanks!! Gone. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
cut-line RFC and client support
I had a malformed cut line pointed out to me and began to wonder... tko -- tko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Malformed cut-line.. g I type it manually because I dislike automated signatures. TB removes excess whitespace from the ends of lines, so if I do not go back and add a space there immediately before sending, this happens. Since this seems to be of concern to many here and not other lists, can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also what other e-mail clients take this convention into account? Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello! tko TB removes excess whitespace from the ends of lines, so if I do tko not go back and add a space there immediately before sending, tko this happens. Yep. You can call quick template, when writing a message, with %CutHere macro in it (found in MyMacros at http://en.barin.com.ua). Just tested it, works. tko can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also what tko other e-mail clients take this convention into account? Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour. -- Andrew Perevodchik ICQ:51122723 Kiev, Ukraine Using The Bat! v2.03.47 on Windows XP MyMacros 1.10 far alpha; ; ajsMacro; MyGate 2.6.0.171 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 3:30:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since this seems to be of concern to many here and not other lists, can someone tell me if this (signature deliminator) is defined by some RFC? It is defined by a Usenet RFC and has slowly moved into e-mail. Please see RFC 2646, §4.3 at http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt [W]hat other e-mail clients take this convention into account? Ones I know about off the top of my head: * The Bat! * Mozilla * Mutt -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I snore. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Dear Andrew, @3-Feb-2004, 22:40 +0200 (03-Feb 20:40 UK time) Andrew Perevodchik [AP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: tko can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also tko what other e-mail clients take this convention into account? AP Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour. Incorrect. It came from usenet and is widely used in many modern email clients. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/53 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
* Andrew Perevodchik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tko can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also what tko other e-mail clients take this convention into account? Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour. No, all good mail clients handle signature delimiters (Gnus, mutt etc.). There's son-of-RFC 1036: , | 4.3.2. Body Conventions | [...] | If a poster or posting agent does append a signature to an article, | the signature SHOULD be preceded with a delimiter line containing | (only) two hyphens (ASCII 45) followed by one blank (ASCII | 32). Posting agents SHOULD limit the length of signatures, since | verbose excess bordering on abuse is common if no restraint is | imposed; 4 lines is a common limit. ` Carsten -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: cut-line RFC and client support)
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 3:38:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Malformed cut-line.. g T I type it manually because I dislike automated signatures. Not relevant, because it's the rules here that you have one. Search the list archive if you want to know why we don't put the cut mark in the footer. Accept that we don't, and, here's your trout. Wow. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 2:30:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a malformed cut line pointed out to me and began to wonder... tko -- tko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Malformed cut-line.. g I type it manually because I dislike automated signatures. TB removes excess whitespace from the ends of lines, so if I do not go back and add a space there immediately before sending, this happens. Since this seems to be of concern to many here and not other lists, can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also what other e-mail clients take this convention into account? Wait wait wait... Umm, am I being told I need to put a cut-line on these mails without signatures? It's been vehemently regurgitated so often I thought I had to put in a cut-line and I don't even use signatures. Even the reply to this mail on the list contained the warning. So, I have attempted it from time to time, dashdashspacectrl-enter. And now I am being told that even that is malformed. This is too dramatic. If I don't use signatures here, will I be told I need to use a cut-line? Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello tb, Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 4:25:40 PM, you wrote: tko Umm, am I being told I need to put a cut-line on these mails tko without signatures? It's been vehemently regurgitated so often I tko thought I had to put in a cut-line and I don't even use tko signatures. Yes... If you don't put in a cut-line, everyone who replies to you will manually have to remove the list footer. See below. tko tko Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: tko http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html tko So, I have attempted it from time to time, tko dashdashspacectrl-enter. And now I am being told that tko even that is malformed. This is too dramatic. It's not CTRL-ENTER... It's just ENTER... So, dashdashspaceENTER It works.. I sent myself a test e-mail off-list with no text below the ccutline. tko If I don't use signatures here, will I be told I need to use a tko cut-line? Yes. Heck if it's so bothersome, just type your first name after the cutline, or remember to put the cutline manually each time. Each list has its rules. To use this list you have to have a cutline. It's your choice. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/53 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 6:05:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tko Umm, am I being told I need to put a cut-line on these mails tko without signatures? It's been vehemently regurgitated so often I tko thought I had to put in a cut-line and I don't even use tko signatures. Yes... If you don't put in a cut-line, everyone who replies to you will manually have to remove the list footer. See below. Oh wow, ok, I see the dilemma now. tko So, I have attempted it from time to time, tko dashdashspacectrl-enter. And now I am being told that tko even that is malformed. This is too dramatic. It's not CTRL-ENTER... It's just ENTER... So, dashdashspaceENTER Ctrl-enter is the keyboard shortcut to send a mail message. I do this because I've found just doing dashdashspaceenter following by some text on the final line will result in an apparently malformed cut-line. This made sense to me, because I figured TB was stripping excess whitespace on the ends of lines. That said, I type dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED], then I position the cursor after -- and hit ctrl-enter. This results in a malformed cut-line I am told. tko If I don't use signatures here, will I be told I need to use a tko cut-line? Yes. Heck if it's so bothersome, just type your first name after the cutline, Type my first name after the cutline? What does that mean? or remember to put the cutline manually each time. When I do I get messages about a malformed cut-line. Each list has its rules. To use this list you have to have a cutline. It's your choice. There is no need to give me an ultimatum. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] the dark hand speaks, listen to my uptime it sounds like the ocean, swish swish moo Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hi tb, On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, at 19:12:24 [GMT -0600] (which was 6:12 PM where I live) you wrote: tko Type my first name after the cutline? What does that mean? Meaning you can type the dashdashspaceenter then type your name. tko When I do I get messages about a malformed cut-line. If you do what I mentioned above, it will work. I've tested it a few times just sending an e-mail to myself. tko There is no need to give me an ultimatum. You're right. I'm sorry. Ok, so the below is a manually typed cutline, my first name, and some junk to show it does work and does not get malformed. The below is not a template of any sort. -- Leif Blah Blah Now watch it not work when I actually send this to the list. grin Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hi Leif, On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, at 20:15:22 [GMT -0700] (which was 8:15 PM where I live) you wrote: LG Ok, so the below is a manually typed cutline, my first name, and LG some junk to show it does work and does not get malformed. The LG below is not a template of any sort. grinning Well, good it worked to the list. At any rate, you can do it manually, but I still don't see why. With TB you can have a folder or address book template that puts a cutline in for you and you won't have to remember to do it every time. It'll save you a few trouts. Just adding -- Cya Or whatever to the end of your template shouldn't be a big deal. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Hello Leif! On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:15 PM, you wrote: LG Now watch it not work when I actually send this to the list. grin SCNR :) I accomplished that, of course, with a manual highlight-and-copy. Your cut-mark worked perfectly, Leif. And your patience here in explaining reminds me of my early first days posting to tbudl--now going on 2 years ago. It is sometimes very hard for a Batty Newbie to get it. :) Maybe a screenshot in the Help file, like the one for the Mail Dispatcher, might head some of this off at the pass. Or maybe not. Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 8:12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Type my first name after the cutline? What does that mean? Often e-mail signatures, like the signatures on paper letters, contain some information about the sender. For example, my signature contains my name; a gentle reminder to quote my message when you reply; a cookie, a short, somewhat funny statement; and, when I am replying to this list, my The Bat! and Windows versions. The simplest signature just contains a name and signatures come after the cutline, so, a simple signature would be structured like this: --- Johnny Quest A more complicated signature might look like this: --- Johnny Quest mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Quest Drive Bangor, Maine 04401 (207) 947-7378 And a lawyer's signature looks, often, like this: --- Lawrence Seymore, Attorney at Law Seymore Seymore, LLP 521 Main Street Bangor, Maine 04401 (207) 947-5297 *** THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT OF THIS MESSAGE, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY TELEPHONE OR RETURN E-MAIL *** NB: I malformed the above cutlines on purpose. Real cutlines are --, not --- . -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 10:24:15 PM, Leif Gregory wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Cya Or whatever to the end of your template shouldn't be a big deal. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory It seems as if The Bat! searches for cutlines from the bottom and not the top. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. A .44 magnum beats four aces. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 10:29:48 PM, Mary R Bull wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :) What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the trouts that people get slapped with on IRC? /slap Mary R Bull :-) -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Today's Oxymoron: Twelve-ounce pound cake Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 7:12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ctrl-enter is the keyboard shortcut to send a mail message. I do this because I've found just doing dashdashspaceenter following by some text on the final line will result in an apparently malformed cut-line. This made sense to me, because I figured TB was stripping excess whitespace on the ends of lines. That said, I type dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED], then I position the cursor after -- and hit ctrl-enter. This works : dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED]ctrl-enter This does not : dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED] edit mail above... position cursor after -- and ctrl-enter This differentiation doesn't make me a newbie who needs screenshots. :p -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - never comprehending, always condescending and now i'm scared to go back and edit... Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Chris! On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:42 PM, you wrote: MRB Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :) C What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the trouts C that people get slapped with on IRC? C /slap Mary R Bull C :-) So, no idea? running for safety to tbot! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
-- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 9:55:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Tuesday, February 3, 2004, 7:12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ctrl-enter is the keyboard shortcut to send a mail message. I do this because I've found just doing dashdashspaceenter following by some text on the final line will result in an apparently malformed cut-line. This made sense to me, because I figured TB was stripping excess whitespace on the ends of lines. That said, I type dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED], then I position the cursor after -- and hit ctrl-enter. This works : dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED]ctrl-enter This does not : dashdashspacereturn[EMAIL PROTECTED] edit mail above... position cursor after -- and ctrl-enter ^-- positioned by hitting another space (oops) Two spaces is the problem. The code must do line='-- '. I imagine it would be more fun to do TrimRight(line)='--'. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - two scoops of raisin are the reason... Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello tb! On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote: tko This differentiation doesn't make me a newbie who needs screenshots. :p I was referring to myself as a Batty Newbie, who a couple of years ago could have used a screenshot. Not to you. However, aren't you new to this list? If so, as a fellow-subscriber, let me say welcome. If I've missed something, and you're not a newcomer, please forgive my mistake. It is true that difficulty getting used to the signature delimiter (cut-mark) is something that seems to happen quite a bit with new subscribers to tbudl. I've watched these kinds of discussions quite often over the months that I've been here. Anyway, let me say again that I am pleased to become acquainted with you, even in a cut-mark discussion. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cut-line RFC and client support
On Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 11:09:09 PM, Mary R Bull wrote in the message cut-line RFC and client support mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote: Somewhat random observation: Since mailing lists are not one-to-one, you should consider using the original sender's name and not the pronoun you. This can be accomplished by replacing you in your template with %O(FROM | REPLY)?NAME. NB: %O(FROM | REPLY)?NAME is NOT a macro. It's a shorthand way of typing out all the possible original sender name macros. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Notice in a dry cleaner's window: ANYONE LEAVING THEIR GARMENTS HERE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS WILL BE DISPOSED OF Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
