Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hello Andy, On 14 Dec 2001 at 04:54:31 you wrote (at least in part): You're getting them quoted, but in separate messages, as it should be. AS Hm, as it should be is pretty subjective. My should be is pretty AS different. Normally this a sure sign for a configurable option. And here I've to jump in. I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called. But I do know there is no such options you'd like to use. It would be really hard to handle this and IMNSHO it does not make really much sense. The two times a month an average user could need this (estimated average value) it is not worth the effort to build such a complex building. You I think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing you'd like to see realized. To say something to your last sentence: why the heck everybody brings out this 'configurable option' if there's something that's wanted and it is told that this maybe will not come. Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring everything_ means? Not only you have to double or triple the development time for having as much as possible configurable, no ... you also double or triple time for bug finding, human error detecting because everybody has it's own system. Additionally: you can't make configurable everything without loosing function. It is quite _impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in conjunction with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all effecting this function'. Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1% of time should know: the more options/parameters the bigger the amount of possible results. We this end we all can see and marvel in dozens of wonderful products from Redmond: They work ... in a way ... and they do only consume some few GigaBytes of diskspace. And that's not only the nice graphics and animations consuming space ... it's the 'configure all ... find nothing a second time after this' mentality this software is written in. I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in funtion; in size needed on disk. This is only possible if there's a deadline of 'customization'. Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had to write this mail :-) Just for being able to say I've already written this ages ago! *ggg* Ciao Pit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) If God had meant for us to be naked, we would have been born that way. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hello Andy, On 14 Dec 2001 at 04:25:29 you wrote (at least in part): 2) MIME forward the entire message as an attachment. AS Eh, by the way, how do you MIME-forward a message with TB. I don't see to AS be able to find that option. My TB always does an inline-forward. :-( I don't know if you're able to check this out right now as I see you only posting with mutt, but give: Account / Properties / Templates / Forward / Use MIME standard for forwarding a try :-) This makes MIME-forwarding the default forward method for this account. I don't know which version exactly introduced the 'Alternative Forward' option but that option (to find either in menu Message / Specials or in current Beta menu Specials directly) reverses the option above: if it is activated 'Alternative' makes an 'Inline forward' if it is de-activated 'Alternative' does the 'MIME-forward'. HTH Pit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Schizophrenia divides and rules, OK? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hello Andy, On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:25:29 -0500GMT (14-12-01, 4:25 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: Using TB, we don't get control over that - it's just taken from the To: field or even just left to the SMTP server to siphon out of the various destination address fields and place in the RCPT TO: envelope header. AS Great, so all we'd have TB make do is add the Resent-To line and make it AS feed the whole mail to the smtp server. Actually the Resent-headers aren't important for the delivery of the message. You're misinterpreting their function. Your clients offers a message (never mind the headers) via smtp to a server, during this offering the message is encased in an smtp-envelope that says I've got a message from Roelof to Andy (I'm taking this message as an example), the server doesn't check the lines in the message itself as they're only seen as data. That's the reason why messages on mailing lists arrive at all subscribers, without creating messages for every individual subscriber. Your problem is that TB alters the headers of redirected messages, that's a choice of the developers. Actually TB takes the body of the message (including attachments) and creates a new message with the same contents and original From header. The new sender is indicated by the X-Sender header, I would have preferred the Sender header, because that's more general accepted, but you can't have all of your wishes. In my view your wishes are more something for a server than a client, but who am I. ;-) Currently the only way to show the original date and route of the message is to forward it, with including all original headers. With TB it is possible to keep the original Reply-TO intact, so the rest would be merely cosmetics. AS Do you see anyway to do that? Not currently with TB. AS If not how and where could I make such a feature request? A feature request can be sent to: RITLABS [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
@ 16:25:09 -0500 [ Thu, 13 Dec 2001], Andy Spiegl [AS] wrote these words of wisdom: ... AS I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply AS that I get all of them quoted. In a single message?! Wow. I'd expect a separate reply message containing quoted text for each of the messages I selected. If only one message is generated, how should the header information be filled out? Do you wish for it to be blank. Do you wish for all the sender addresses for each of those messages to be inserted in the To: field of the single reply containing 'all' the quoted material? A most unusual requirement this is. :-) -- ©Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) TB! v1.54 Beta/15 Win2K SP2 PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re mass mail problem
Can anyone help me with my query about stopping The Bat stalling when it reaches an unobtainable e-mail address when sending to a group/list? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Mass mail problem
Hello Philip, On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:10:46 +GMT (13-12-01, 17:10 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: PH When sending a message to a Group the program stops sending if it comes PH to an invalid or unobtainable e-mail address. Yep, that's how programs work, run until an error is encountered. PH Is there a way to PH set it so if it comes to such an address is just carries on until PH the e-mail is sent to everyone? Not that I'm aware of, best is to check delete faulty entries. TB only halts when an e-mail address is not conforming to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or just missing. Those entries can be found by browsing your address book. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Mass mail problem
Thanks -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Mass mail problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Philip, On 13 December 2001 at 16:10:46 Philip Hind wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: PH When sending a message to a Group the program stops sending if it PH comes to an invalid or unobtainable e-mail address. Is there a PH way to set it so if it comes to such an address is just carries on PH until the e-mail is sent to everyone? You could upgrade to the more recent version of TB and make use of the Mass Mailing features, which allow you to generate individual mails to every member of the group. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' SB! v1.54 Beta/15/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE8Gh1DOeQkq5KdzaARAmvoAKDHHpMFNe82HjGKnS/wiY37ysVtMwCgxBPs CSdaV5XhuyMprS/m2qC80fg= =9KDB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hello Andy, Thursday, December 13, 2001, 9:54:31 PM, you wrote: Well a few times a week still is often enough for such a feature. I understand :) I certainly didn't mean to imply that you *shouldn't* need such a feature. I guess I was just trying to say that I had never even considered the need for such a feature :) -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Stripping attachments automatically
(My first effort to send this message was intercepted by Listar as a command and never forwarded, so here's another attempt. Pardon the duplication if the first one did hit the list and I didn't notice.) - I used to subscribe to the digest versions of some mailing lists, including this one. In order to find things easier and to preserve threading, I've switched to normal mode in all of them. It is not uncommon for infected attachments to come through. I would like to automatically strip out the attachments from every downloaded (POP3) message in these lists, but can't find a way to do it. The closest I found was a filter action that would extract attachments to a specified directory, but the directory listing does not include the recycle bin. (I know I could use a dedicated directory for this, but I'm trying to simplify the steps.) Is there a way to do what I have in mind? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:16:55 +0100GMT (which was 11:16 +0100GMT where I live), Peter Palmreuther thought about how do I reply to more than one mail? and wrote: PP I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in funtion; in size needed on PP disk. This is only possible if there's a deadline of 'customization'. PP Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had PP to write this mail :-) Hi Pit, thank you for stating the programmers' points of view. It was very interesting for me indeed. :-) - -- Cheers Peter Yield to temptation. It may not come your way again. Oscar Wilde _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication :o) Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Comment: Key-ID:0xE10774CE Comment: Have a lot of fun! :-) iQA/AwUBPBopFQM2UgbhB3TOEQJLMACfQnCE4ihabWZHUD1LRDzBkagu3xMAoMM4 R/jC3jaubRUoQWjEHAxzBzGT =rqgH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Pit, I don't know if you're able to check this out right now as I see you only posting with mutt, but give: Sure can. VMware makes it even possible without leaving my comfy seat. :-) Account / Properties / Templates / Forward / Use MIME standard for forwarding a try :-) Ahh, great. Really too bad that some of the good features of TB are hard to find. I don't know which version exactly introduced the 'Alternative Forward' option but that option (to find either in menu Message / Specials or Ai, didn't find that either. in current Beta menu Specials directly) Good idea! While we're at it. Is there a way to make on exit: compress the folder be default for ALL my folders? I often forget setting this option when I create a new folder and end up wondering myself. Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Never apologize for showing feeling. When you do so, you apologize for the truth. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hello Andy, On 14 Dec 2001 at 19:42:01 you wrote (at least in part): AS While we're at it. Is there a way to make on exit: compress the folder AS be default for ALL my folders? I often forget setting this option when I AS create a new folder and end up wondering myself. In current Beta-Series this options is available _per account_. Account / Properties / Options / Compress all folders on exit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) DECNET: Handling today's loads very slowly. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: how do I bounce a message?
Hello Andy, 14. december 2001, 19:42:01, you wrote: I don't know if you're able to check this out right now as I see you only posting with mutt, but give: Sure can. VMware makes it even possible without leaving my comfy seat. :-) Why need VMware? The Bat! runs pretty fine under Wine :) -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate. -- Jones' Motto To make an enemy, do someone a favor. -- McClaughry's Codicil -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Pit, I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called. I suppose you are one of the programmers, right? But I do know there is no such options you'd like to use. Really too bad. It would be very useful. To you, too, once you get used to the feeling, believe me. You I think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing you'd like to see realized. I'll give it a try. :-) I don't see why that would be so difficult. The only challange is to merge the headers of the mails being replied to. Why is that so difficult? To say something to your last sentence: why the heck everybody brings out this 'configurable option' if there's something that's wanted and it is told that this maybe will not come. That's human, isn't it? Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring everything_ means? Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about. Since many years I am mainly using Unix and I think the many configuration options are one of THE strength of all unix programs. If there's something I don't like or like different, I'll simply configure it differently. :-) Not only you have to double or triple the development time for having as much as possible configurable, no ... you also double or triple time for bug finding, human error detecting because everybody has it's own system. That's true, but _only_ in the non-public-domain world. Open up your source code and the whole world will help you find the bugs. Well, I guess that's a little off topic now. Just wanted to mention that your statements only apply to this part of the software world. Additionally: you can't make configurable everything without loosing function. I completely disagree. It is quite _impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in conjunction with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all effecting this function'. Impossible would mean that noone could do it, right? If that's correct, you are wrong. Take almost ANY unix mail client but especially mutt. It has so many configurable options you can hardly count them. And it works just great. So all but impossible. ;-) Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1% of time should know: the more options/parameters the bigger the amount of possible results. I agree. So all what you need here is more people that participate in testing and bug finding. That too is mathematics: the more testers the less bugs. :-) We this end we all can see and marvel in dozens of wonderful products from Redmond: No,no,no,no, please don't compare ANY software with the huge bugs MS is spreading out over the world. Anyone can do better than GatesCo. I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in funtion; in size needed on disk. This is only possible if there's a deadline of 'customization'. Hm, small you say. Fine, one more time my comparison with mutt: I just counted the diskspace of it: 523 KB Okay, including all used dynamic libraries which doesn't make much sense, but what the heck: 2.3 MB Then I counted the diskspace used by TheBat directory (subtracting the Mail directory of course): 7 MB (I have no idea what other DLLs TheBat uses so I couldn't add that) Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had to write this mail :-) Just for being able to say I've already written this ages ago! *ggg* Dito. Here again, I completely agree with you, hehe. Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v With your one remaining eye, please do NOT look back into the laser msg31520/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Allie, AS I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply AS that I get all of them quoted. In a single message?! Wow. I'd expect a separate reply message containing quoted text for each of the messages I selected. No, that's pretty useless. If I want that behavior I hit reply every single one. One by one. There's no use in opening all these windows the same time, because I can't fill them out at once anyway. :-) If only one message is generated, how should the header information be filled out? Do you wish for it to be blank. Do you wish for all the sender addresses for each of those messages to be inserted in the To: field of the single reply containing 'all' the quoted material? Yes, that's exactly what I'd consider useful. A most unusual requirement this is. :-) I don't think so. Mutt (my unix mailclient) does this and it's a commonly used feature. Well, I guess I have to live with it, i.e. without it. Too bad. Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v To make mistakes is human; to stumble is commonplace; to be able to laugh at yourself is maturity. -- William Arthur Ward -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hello Andy, On 14 Dec 2001 at 19:25:06 you wrote (at least in part): I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called. AS I suppose you are one of the programmers, right? Nope. Wrong. You I think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing you'd like to see realized. AS I'll give it a try. :-) AS I don't see why that would be so difficult. The only challange is to AS merge the headers of the mails being replied to. Why is that so AS difficult? Because it is not only 'merging' headers. Take three mails from three different sender with three different subjects sent on three different time with three completely different contents. There's a lot you have to merge and it should be at least in a logical way merged, not 'somehow'. But what is _THE_ logic behind? Everybody would like to have it a little bit different, for good reasons ... No tell the common?! Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring everything_ means? AS Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about. Since many years I am mainly AS using Unix and I think the many configuration options are one of THE AS strength of all unix programs. And not all programs are this configurable as many people want it from The Bat!. I'm not new to *nix too. It's my daily work, so I assume I can guess very well what you're pointing on, but there's a big difference between what's configurable in *nix programs and what is requested to be configurable e.g. in TB!. AS If there's something I don't like or like AS different, I'll simply configure it differently. :-) That depends ... Not only you have to double or triple the development time for having as much as possible configurable, no ... you also double or triple time for bug finding, human error detecting because everybody has it's own system. AS That's true, but _only_ in the non-public-domain world. Open up your AS source code and the whole world will help you find the bugs. One simple question: do you really believe the world could exist with only source opened software? Hardly ... So this is not an argument. AS Well, I guess that's a little off topic now. Just wanted to AS mention that your statements only apply to this part of the AS software world. Some ... not all, but some. It is quite _impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in conjunction with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all effecting this function'. AS Impossible would mean that noone could do it, right? AS If that's correct, you are wrong. Take almost ANY unix mail client but AS especially mutt. It has so many configurable options you can hardly count AS them. And it works just great. So all but impossible. ;-) With this statement you don't want to tell me there's nothing in mutt that ain't configurable, don't you? Counter wise: You don't want to say The Bat! ain't configurable, don't you? Should I really need to start counting _what_ there is you can configure and shall I really start to compare it to several other MUA's available for Windows? I think I don't need to, The Bat! should speak for it self and everybody using it should have no problem recognizing it ... Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1% of time should know: the more options/parameters the bigger the amount of possible results. AS I agree. So all what you need here is more people that participate in AS testing and bug finding. That too is mathematics: the more testers the AS less bugs. :-) Wrong. OK ... Partial right ... More testers _can_ lead to lesser count of bugs. But you'll need testers that 1.) Have the time and ability to test the program for _daily usage_ and not only 'for principal of function', because a bug free, functional working program is worth nothing without usability and a need for in in (daily) work. 2.) Are able and professional enough to provide you with detailed information about found bugs. An information 'the program hangs when I try to send mail' ain't very useful. You'll need to know several parameters necessary to reproduce the problem and fixing it. A pure mass of people can provide only 'quantity' not inherited 'quality'. We this end we all can see and marvel in dozens of wonderful products from Redmond: AS No,no,no,no, please don't compare ANY software with the huge bugs MS is AS spreading out over the world. Anyone can do better than GatesCo. No ... don't be this polemically. They _can_ do better. It's the 'wrong' (?) philosophy behind their company. It's a 'everything can be done at a click' and a wrong understood 'release early and often' philosophy. They do make normal end users to Beta-Tester plus they don't even tell them _and_ let the very same people even pay for the products. This does not inherit every programmer at MS is plainly to stupid for writing good software. AS Hm, small you say. Fine, one more time my comparison with mutt: AS I just counted the diskspace of
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andy, On 14 December 2001 at 13:25:06 [GMT-0500] (which was 18:25 where I live) Andy Spiegl wrote to Andy Spiegl on TBUDL and made these points: I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called. AS I suppose you are one of the programmers, right? No - Peter is just another user, like almost everyone on this list. He was just speaking from the perspective of *a* programmer working in a retail software for Windows environment. Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring everything_ means? AS Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about. Since many years I am AS mainly using Unix and I think the many configuration options are AS one of THE strength of all unix programs. If there's something I AS don't like or like different, I'll simply configure it AS differently. :-) Yes, that's very true. *But*. In *nix, users and administrators are happy to dive into textual cnf files at the drop of a whim and to wade through the option specs to tweak any and all settings to absolute perfection. In Windows, any config options *must* have a UI and *must* be clearly understandable, logical and responsive. That is why it takes so much effort and, usually, has the net result of bloating what should be a simple application. When a programming team is a small and as hungry as that at RITlabs, they have to go for mass appeal. If your wish-list items can be shown to have popular support then there is a good chance that they'll expend the effort to implement them. The Resent-To is one that should be quite simple and I can see a good and wide appeal for it. You have my support for that request. Multiple replies is a bit esoteric - not something I do every day. Maybe something I've wanted 5 times in 17 years of email use - and I use email *very* heavily for both my work and play. ... and please don't mention the FSF - you should see the paragraph I just deleted. Only to say that you're begging for a heavy flaming! ;-) (If you ask nicely, I'll send you that para off-list). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' SB! v1.54 Beta/15/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE8GlcnOeQkq5KdzaARAszWAJ4senQUSSydRfN/UXCY/ILeqSbk1ACggvcL LtGya1SfMjh62oqBcT97ww0= =5Owt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
I recently did the unthinkable -- I fried my computer. :( And now I'm trying to reconstruct everything from scratch. Please don't tell me how stupid I was to not have the requisite backups. My wife has done that already, in spades. And she's very, very good at it. I promise, it won't happen again. I now have a computer with not one hard drive installed, but three. One old corrupted hard drive, plus two spanking-new 40 gigabyte hard drives. One of the new drives will be used to backup the other one, etc. I can still get to many of my files on the old corrupted drive, I just can't open any programs. So all of my old Bat! files (e.g., the address book) should still be there, eh? So take pity on me and give me a break, okay? What I now need most are two things: 1. The ability to import my old Bat! address book into my new Bat address book. Please tell that it can be done -- or you will read about me on the 6 o'clock news, something about a man climbing a tower with a high-powered rifle... 2. Have the wonderful folks at Ritlabs send me a replacement key to use in my freshly-downloaded trial version. Yes, I'd be happy to pay a small fee for this privilege. Can it be done? It's not so important that I be able to import all of the old account and folder information, because I'm taking this as an opportunity to do a little house-cleaning. But I would like to be able to save the messages in certain folders. Can it be done? Please note, I still love The Bat! as much as ever, which is quite a bit. Unfortunately, I'm now discovering that I forgot how to do a lot of things, having no need to do them in quite some time, and The Bat ain't exactly intuitive -- but it's slowly coming back to me. So, please help me out if you can, eh? And please be gentle. -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Hello Joe, On 14 Dec 2001 at 23:01:45 you wrote (at least in part): JF 1. The ability to import my old Bat! address book into my new Bat JF address book. Please tell that it can be done -- or you will read JF about me on the 6 o'clock news, something about a man climbing a tower JF with a high-powered rifle... OK ... to avoid having to switch on the television I'll be nice and tell the the obvious: Open TB!-Addressbook. Choose File / Import from ... and now .. you won't believe it: The Bat! Address Book ... :-) JF 2. Have the wonderful folks at Ritlabs send me a replacement key to JF use in my freshly-downloaded trial version. Yes, I'd be happy to pay a JF small fee for this privilege. Can it be done? I'm sure ... but there can be an easier (and cheaper) way: maybe you have not deleted your old mail with the initial key. Import the mailbox containing that key (Tools / Import Messages / From The Bat! Message Base (.TBB files) ...), go to that message and use Help / Enter Registration Code. The main information should be already inserted, you should only need to provide your password. JF It's not so important that I be able to import all of the old account JF and folder information, because I'm taking this as an opportunity to JF do a little house-cleaning. But I would like to be able to save the JF messages in certain folders. Can it be done? As suggested a few line above. You're able to import back your old '.tbb' files. JF And please be gentle. Hope I was :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Any given program, when running correctly, is obsolete. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Hi Joe, On 14 Dec 2001 at 14:01:45 [GMT -0800], you wrote: JF I recently did the unthinkable -- I fried my computer. :( Well, don't do it again! :-) JF I just can't open any programs. So all of my old Bat! files (e.g., JF the address book) should still be there, eh? JF 1. The ability to import my old Bat! address book into my new Bat JF address book. They *could* still be there. Just have a look into the directory where you kept your emails on your old harddisk. Look for files with the extension .ABD. These are TB's address books. Most of them are TB's default address books (LDAP#x.ABD, IntermCA.ABD, RootCA.ABD). The other one(s) should be you address books Copy the relevant one(s) to a secure place on your new drive (Just needed for the importing). Then open up the address book, and use the menu File - Import from - The Bat! Address Aook. Point it to the file(s) you just saved. JF Please tell that it can be done -- or you will read about me on the 6 JF o'clock news, something about a man climbing a tower with a JF high-powered rifle... Just one question: what would you need the rifle for? Shouldn't the height be sufficient? :-) JF 2. Have the wonderful folks at Ritlabs send me a replacement key to JF use in my freshly-downloaded trial version. Yes, I'd be happy to pay a JF small fee for this privilege. Can it be done? If you don't have your key OR your password any longer, RITlabs will have to generate a new key. To do this, visit https://www.cifnet.com/ritlabs/recovery.html. They will charge you $3 for this procedure. JF It's not so important that I be able to import all of the old account JF and folder information, because I'm taking this as an opportunity to JF do a little house-cleaning. But I would like to be able to save the JF messages in certain folders. Can it be done? You can import your old message base via the menu Tools - Import Messages - From The Bat! Message Base (.TBB files) Then you can rename these folders or drag them under a newly created folder (perhaps called Older messages or something similar) while holding down CTRL+ALT on your keyboard. But I'd suggest, that you copy the message base to your new harddisk before doing that, as I recommend keeping access to destroyed drives to an absolute minimum. JF And please be gentle. We always are. Otherwise our moderators step in and remind us (gently) to be nice to each other! ;-) -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 12:16:45 PM, you wrote: Hello Joe, On 14 Dec 2001 at 23:01:45 you wrote (at least in part): JF 1. The ability to import my old Bat! address book into my new Bat JF address book. Please tell that it can be done -- or you will read JF about me on the 6 o'clock news, something about a man climbing a tower JF with a high-powered rifle... OK ... to avoid having to switch on the television I'll be nice and tell the the obvious: Open TB!-Addressbook. Choose File / Import from ... and now .. you won't believe it: The Bat! Address Book ... :-) I tried that one, Peter, believe it or not. Unfortunately, I think it needs a specific file name for the old address book, and I don't know what it is. My new copy of The Bat! is in drive C (the master drive), but the old copy is now in drive D (a slave drive), and when I change directories, I don't know the specific address book file (in the old directory) to select, etc. JF 2. Have the wonderful folks at Ritlabs send me a replacement key to JF use in my freshly-downloaded trial version. Yes, I'd be happy to pay a JF small fee for this privilege. Can it be done? I'm sure ... but there can be an easier (and cheaper) way: maybe you have not deleted your old mail with the initial key. It's probably still there, but I can't access it because the old program won't open in drive D. Wait a minute... Import the mailbox containing that key (Tools / Import Messages / From The Bat! Message Base (.TBB files) ...), go to that message and use Help / Enter Registration Code. The main information should be already inserted, you should only need to provide your password. Yes, okay, that worked(!), but... I was able to find the original key and key check sum...but not the password. :( I tried using several of my usual passwords, but none of them worked, and none of my old, saved messages contained it. JF It's not so important that I be able to import all of the old account JF and folder information, because I'm taking this as an opportunity to JF do a little house-cleaning. But I would like to be able to save the JF messages in certain folders. Can it be done? As suggested a few line above. You're able to import back your old '.tbb' files. Yes, I think I know how to do that now! But still no password, and no old address book. :( JF And please be gentle. Hope I was :-) Yes, very. You don't want to see me on TV, eh? It wouldn't be a pretty sight... -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Andy, AS just a quick question about TheBat! which I really learned to love: AS How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the AS original mails nicely quoted? Do you really want to _reply_ more than one mail at once? I think what you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of several mails. You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding' (MIME-forward). Does this help a bit? -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/15) Business Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2, PGP 0xe2d25323 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Hello Joe, On 14 Dec 2001 at 23:52:33 you wrote (at least in part): JF Unfortunately, I think it needs a specific file name for the old JF address book, and I don't know what it is. You'd have to search your old TB! directory for files named '*.ABD'. You should recognize your old address book file by it's name as you had to enter this name once :-) 'LDAP*.ABD' '*CA.ABD' named files are 'default' files, you should have no disadvantages if you ignore them. JF Yes, very. You don't want to see me on TV, eh? No. I only told I don't want need to switch on my TV for just seeing another person doing something absolutely silly. Do you know how _cold_ it is in this height's we're talking about? Do you know how difficulty it is to hold a high-powered riffle if you could need both hand for holding yourself and all ten fingers are nearly frozen? *ggg* -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) If you had everything where would you put it? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 12:37:53 PM, you wrote: Hi Joe, On 14 Dec 2001 at 14:01:45 [GMT -0800], you wrote: JF I recently did the unthinkable -- I fried my computer. :( Well, don't do it again! :-) Hell, I promised not to do it this last time, too, but I never keep my promises. Except that one about death do us part... JF I just can't open any programs. So all of my old Bat! files (e.g., JF the address book) should still be there, eh? JF 1. The ability to import my old Bat! address book into my new Bat JF address book. They *could* still be there. Just have a look into the directory where you kept your emails on your old harddisk. Look for files with the extension .ABD. These are TB's address books. Most of them are TB's default address books (LDAP#x.ABD, IntermCA.ABD, RootCA.ABD). The other one(s) should be you address books Bingo! Now I got them! Thanks! Hallelujah! Damn, I knew it was possible! I'm slowly crawling down from the tower... Copy the relevant one(s) to a secure place on your new drive (Just needed for the importing). Then open up the address book, and use the menu File - Import from - The Bat! Address Aook. Point it to the file(s) you just saved. Hmmnn. All of my old addresses just imported directly into my new address book! Presto! I didn't need to save anything, etc. Are you talking about something else I need to do here? JF Please tell that it can be done -- or you will read about me on the 6 JF o'clock news, something about a man climbing a tower with a JF high-powered rifle... Just one question: what would you need the rifle for? Shouldn't the height be sufficient? :-) Lars, the rifle wasn't for me... :) JF 2. Have the wonderful folks at Ritlabs send me a replacement key to JF use in my freshly-downloaded trial version. Yes, I'd be happy to pay a JF small fee for this privilege. Can it be done? If you don't have your key OR your password any longer, RITlabs will have to generate a new key. To do this, visit https://www.cifnet.com/ritlabs/recovery.html. They will charge you $3 for this procedure. Okay. I just found that part, too. I can't find my password (just the key and the key check sum), so I guess I'll have to go there and pay the $3. I can live with that. JF It's not so important that I be able to import all of the old account JF and folder information, because I'm taking this as an opportunity to JF do a little house-cleaning. But I would like to be able to save the JF messages in certain folders. Can it be done? You can import your old message base via the menu Tools - Import Messages - From The Bat! Message Base (.TBB files) Then you can rename these folders or drag them under a newly created folder (perhaps called Older messages or something similar) while holding down CTRL+ALT on your keyboard. Yes, I think I know how to do that now. Otherwise, I'll be bck. But I'd suggest, that you copy the message base to your new harddisk before doing that, as I recommend keeping access to destroyed drives to an absolute minimum. Believe me, I'm trying to do just that. Everytime I even touch something over there, I flinch! It's a little like walking around in a mine field... Boom! No more computer -- again! :( JF And please be gentle. We always are. Otherwise our moderators step in and remind us (gently) to be nice to each other! ;-) I know that for a fact. That's why I like this group so much. Great moderators. I haven't needed any help in a long, long time, but the folks here have always been the most helpful helpers I've ever encountered in any help group. And please trust me on this one, I've needed an *awful* lot of help groups over the years! -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 1:05:32 PM, you wrote: Hello Joe, On 14 Dec 2001 at 23:52:33 you wrote (at least in part): JF Unfortunately, I think it needs a specific file name for the old JF address book, and I don't know what it is. You'd have to search your old TB! directory for files named '*.ABD'. You should recognize your old address book file by it's name as you had to enter this name once :-) 'LDAP*.ABD' '*CA.ABD' named files are 'default' files, you should have no disadvantages if you ignore them. Yep, I finally found them, Peter. Thanks again for the help! I'm helpless, yes, but determined. JF Yes, very. You don't want to see me on TV, eh? No. I only told I don't want need to switch on my TV for just seeing another person doing something absolutely silly. That's about the only thing on TV these days, eh? Silly stuff. Haven't you ever watched the Jerry Springer Show? Do you know how _cold_ it is in this height's we're talking about? It was a very short tower, Peter. I'm afraid of heights, too. Do you know how difficulty it is to hold a high-powered riffle if you could need both hand for holding yourself and all ten fingers are nearly frozen? *ggg* I can hold it long enough to empty the magazine...but now that I won't be needing to do that, I'm just going to have a couple of toots of bourbon instead. So...the drinks are on me! Thanks again for the help! -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Hello Joe, On 15 Dec 2001 at 00:28:27 you wrote (at least in part): JF Haven't you ever watched the Jerry Springer Show? Nope ... Only when I was in NY I saw it a few minutes. The time shift between there and here (Germany) makes it hard to see it if you have a job *g*. Plus I'm not _really_ interested in that show it makes it easy for me to disclaim watching it :-) JF I can hold it long enough to empty the magazine *erm* ... Sorry for asking silly, but can't you empty the magazine already at home so you don't have to carry the whole weight onto the tower? ** -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Cannot open /usr/games/lib/fortunes. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hello Peter, Friday, December 14, 2001, 9:47:33 PM, you wrote: PP One simple question: do you really believe the world could exist with PP only source opened software? Hardly ... So this is not an argument. Come on... that's pretty thick don't you think? The world exists whether or not there's open source software. Or human beings. Relax, and drink yourselves silly. We are merely paying customers here. Cheers! -- Best regards, Pete _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Roelof, Actually the Resent-headers aren't important for the delivery of the message. You're misinterpreting their function. Hm, I think you are right about that! I tried it with sendmail -t, but in that case sendmail probably just reads the Resent-headers and uses them to generate an smtp-envelope. Your problem is that TB alters the headers of redirected messages, Yep. :-( In my view your wishes are more something for a server than a client, but who am I. ;-) Depends on how you see it. Sometimes I work like the server. :-) A feature request can be sent to: RITLABS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. - Hippolyte Taine -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Carsten, Do you really want to _reply_ more than one mail at once? Yes. I think what you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of several mails. I think what you think is that you think you know what I think, but you don't. You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding' (MIME-forward). Does this help a bit? No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend of mine and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the answers in one. Well, it just doesn't work that way in TB. :-( Bye, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win situation -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Hello Joe, 14. december 2001, 23:52:33, you wrote: JF I was able to find the original key and key check sum...but not the JF password. :( In this case you could try to export your old registry. You have to go to DOS to do it, and exporting may take quite some time. To export registry in DOS, use this syntax: REGEDIT /R:path to your old user.dat file /E:REG file to create ^^ If you used profiles, it's located in C:\Windows\Profiles\username\user.dat, otherwise in c:\Windows\user.dat Then search for SoftwareRegistrationId in the created file. You can delete everything else in the REG file, and only keep this key. In Windows, then start RegEdit, go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! and create new string there. Name it SoftwareRegistrationId, and put everything between the quotes as the value. Now you have registered The Bat. BTW: if you think this is too complicated, you can recover your password for $3 IIRC. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] Good salesmen and good repairmen will never go hungry. -- Schenk's First Principle of Industrial Market Economics -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
'Ghost' Messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL Does anyone recognise the following symptoms? I have simple filters set up to direct incoming mail from one account into various folders of another account. These filters all work perfectly. However, seemingly at random, the 'ghost' of one message is left in the inbox of the originating account. I say 'ghost' because it appears in the message list with a blank 'from', 'to' and 'subject'. When I double-click, the message opens but only contains the final few lines, typically from the 'Regards' (or whatever) to the end of the message. I've just noticed on the example today that the 'created' date is Sat,30 Dec 1899 00:00:00! I can't say whether previous examples had a similar spurious date. This happens about once every 2-3 weeks. It's not really a problem - I just delete the message - but if anyone can tell me why it's happening I would be very grateful. - -- Regards William PGP spoken here - email me for my Public Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.53d Windows 98SE A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPBp2smfaTk6DH8jCEQILbgCeKyBpo8wSTAAr47ntNj8MTuae1G0Anis5 cefoH0YI0y84JYyhNmvYvSjI =Tr5Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joe! On 15 Dec 2001 at 00:28:27 you wrote: That's about the only thing on TV these days, eh? Silly stuff. Haven't you ever watched the Jerry Springer Show? Luckily this isn't shown - or even adapted - in German TV. We already have too many stupid talk shows about real people. The current fad here is court room TV - very bad considering a country in which electronic and even photographic broadcasting from courts is forbidden. Instead the stage something, anything, up. The even have a disclaimer in the end credits All cases are fictitious. I am not much into television these days - actually not for some years - - except for some channel switching around news time. but what Peter may have tried to avoid tonight was the German version of *Who Wants to be a Millionaire?*. Does anyone of us have a life? I am just babbling sillily at the end of a hard working day in editing a novel I translated ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C The fox has many tricks, and the hedgehog only one, but that is the best of all. (Desiderius Erasmus) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBPBpl4vTo1oA8g8dLEQKtNgCg3zjp89TsunOvxzbVB15bOqliX9UAn2/I Xjei8UlKtxlWScAu1YZQDhSM =gYXl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
Hi Andy, I think what you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of several mails. AS I think what you think is that you think you know what I think, but you don't. I really think, this is exactly what I thought. g You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding' (MIME-forward). Does this help a bit? AS No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend of mine AS and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the answers in one. AS Well, it just doesn't work that way in TB. :-( I just had an idea... ... manuel filters could extract/append mail text to an external file (maybe quoted with initials). ... you could also extract senders' mail addresses that way. ... a quick template could include all the quoted text from the file and setting the 'TO:' 3 steps: 1. Write the filter and QT ;-) 2. Mark some mails and push the shortcut for the manual filter to extract/append information to a file. 3. New Mail and call QT (to get and process the stored information). This should be possible... I'll try that, gimme some time ;-) What is with In-Reply-To: or References:? -- HTH + best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/15) Business Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2, PGP 0xe2d25323 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joe! On 15 Dec 2001 at 00:22:16 you wrote: Except that one about death do us part... About your comp? And if unto your wife, remember that it's natural causes meant ... (see below) Just one question: what would you need the rifle for? Shouldn't the height be sufficient? :-) Lars, the rifle wasn't for me... Believe me, I'm trying to do just that. Everytime I even touch something over there, I flinch! It's a little like walking around in a mine field... Boom! All this could persuade a not too little political force in my hometown (Hamburg/Germany) to try you for attempted murder. Hey, they don't have any negative inclination about violating civil rights; they just killed an alleged drug dealer by accident and think it's alright, after all he had it coming. I really should start drinking seriously ... just one bottle LongWood left ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Don't punish others for their lack of insight. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBPBpoP/To1oA8g8dLEQJmtACgnj4BZOmg0BYxv8eZiWem06Kk13YAoPJm +6dr5RfSLwriO9qD0sYp61Sr =6ci3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 1:38:32 PM, you wrote: Hello Joe, On 15 Dec 2001 at 00:28:27 you wrote (at least in part): JF Haven't you ever watched the Jerry Springer Show? Nope ... Only when I was in NY I saw it a few minutes. The time shift between there and here (Germany) makes it hard to see it if you have a job *g*. Plus I'm not _really_ interested in that show it makes it easy for me to disclaim watching it :-) Smart. Watching Jerry Springer will make you stupid. And I should know. I stop at accident scenes, too, just to gawk. JF I can hold it long enough to empty the magazine *erm* ... Sorry for asking silly, but can't you empty the magazine already at home so you don't have to carry the whole weight onto the tower? ** But then there wouldn't be as much fun when I got to the top. :) -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[4]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 1:56:41 PM, you wrote: Hello Joe, 14. december 2001, 23:52:33, you wrote: JF I was able to find the original key and key check sum...but not the JF password. :( In this case you could try to export your old registry. You have to go to DOS to do it, I would rather crawl through every cave in Afghanistan (in the winter) than mess with my registry, or even pay a visit to DOS for that matter. [...] BTW: if you think this is too complicated, you can recover your password for $3 IIRC. My friend, I just *fried* my computer because I'm a computer klutz. So I am to computer registry what Osama bin Ladin is to Islam. So I'm gonna select the $3 door, thank you very much. But thanks for the help anyway! -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 1:59:42 PM, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joe! On 15 Dec 2001 at 00:22:16 you wrote: Except that one about death do us part... About your comp? And if unto your wife, remember that it's natural causes meant ... (see below) In some parts of the world, these days anyway, natural causes include gun fire, eh? Just one question: what would you need the rifle for? Shouldn't the height be sufficient? :-) Lars, the rifle wasn't for me... Believe me, I'm trying to do just that. Everytime I even touch something over there, I flinch! It's a little like walking around in a mine field... Boom! All this could persuade a not too little political force in my hometown (Hamburg/Germany) to try you for attempted murder. I never leave a job unfinished, Dierck. I really should start drinking seriously ... just one bottle LongWood left ... You shouldn't drink at all, Dierck, if you're not gonna drink seriously. For what it's worth, I break out in a cold sweat whenever I have only three *cases* left down in the basement. How's that for seriousness? :) -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: [OT] Re: data recovery (was: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key?)
Friday, December 14, 2001, 2:03:17 PM, you wrote: Hi Joe, On 15 Dec 2001 at 15:22:16 [GMT -0800], you wrote: LG Copy the relevant one(s) to a secure place on your new drive (Just As long as I'm still around, Lars, I don't think there's such a thing as a secure place on my hard drive(s). LG needed for the importing). Then open up the address book, and use LG the menu File - Import from - The Bat! Address Aook. Point it LG to the file(s) you just saved. JF I didn't need to save anything, etc. Are you talking about JF something else I need to do here? I thought that your harddisk was really in a bad state, That's what they told me. so I advised you to copy your old files to a place on one of the newer drives. I know from my own experience with defective harddisks (a headcrash, for example) that you can recover most of the data. It wasn't a hard head crash. I could only boot into Safe Mode, but it still booted. But usually I try to avoid the risk of data loss brought by multiple accesses as they can *really* ruin the data on the drive. So I only copy all I can get over to a new drive and start sorting and reimporting the data from there. That's my goal. To scavenge all the data I can, and then get the hell out of Dodge as fast as I can (and then reformat the entire drive). While being velly, velly careful all the while... -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
selecting messages in the message list pane
A strange thing has happened. Suddenly I am no longer able to select multiple messages in the message list with Ctrl-click! I can select a contiguous span of messages with Shift-click, but with Ctrl-click the 1st selected message stays selected, subsequent Ctrl-clicks highlight the 2nd message while being clicked, but the selection does not stay. Demons? -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Bat! to Bat! import of old address book? New key? Help!
Friday, December 14, 2001, 1:49:27 PM, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joe! On 15 Dec 2001 at 00:28:27 you wrote: That's about the only thing on TV these days, eh? Silly stuff. Haven't you ever watched the Jerry Springer Show? Luckily this isn't shown - or even adapted - in German TV. Yes, that is lucky. I wish we here were so lucky. It's the worst kind of TV. We already have too many stupid talk shows about real people. The current fad here is court room TV - very bad considering a country in which electronic and even photographic broadcasting from courts is forbidden. Instead the stage something, anything, up. The even have a disclaimer in the end credits All cases are fictitious. I think all of these court TV shows today are really just an excuse for a bunch of sleazy lawyers to get some face time on TV. Just we all need, eh? I am not much into television these days [...] I'm mostly into news and sports shows. Does anyone of us have a life? I am just babbling sillily at the end of a hard working day in editing a novel I translated ... Hey, don't feel like you're alone. I'm babbling and I haven't even had a drink yet today. Yet. :) -- Joe Finocchiaro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: 'Ghost' Messages
Hello Roelof Thank you for your email dated Friday, December 14, 2001, 11:44:43 PM, in which you wrote: RO And you're sure that isn't an acquaintance of yours sending bad RO messages? No, they have all been from different correspondents. -- Regards William PGP spoken here - email me for my Public Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.53d Windows 98SE A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: 'Ghost' Messages
Hello William, On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:01:25 +GMT (14-12-01, 23:01 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: WM I've just noticed on the example today that the 'created' date is WM Sat,30 Dec 1899 00:00:00! I can't say whether previous examples had a WM similar spurious date. WM This happens about once every 2-3 weeks. It's not really a problem - I WM just delete the message - but if anyone can tell me why it's happening WM I would be very grateful. And you're sure that isn't an acquaintance of yours sending bad messages? -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I bounce a message?
Hi Andy, A while ago I posted a similar sort of request - how to bounce? - to the list, but I'm not as knowledgable in the use of headers etc and it was put down as not possible with The Bat! and possibly against my ISPs policy/wishes. A friend uses kmail under Linux and uses the bounce feature it provides. I want to be able to do the same, to ward off those occasional spams that arrive in my 'serious' mailboxes. If you ever figure out a way to make it look truly bounced, please let me (or the list) know. Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Regards, Allister. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:42:00 -0500, Andy Spiegl [AS] graced us with these comments: ... AS No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend AS of mine and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the AS answers in one. This is one setting in which I'd really find a feature as this useful. I've been copying and pasting as quote to deal with this sort of thing. I usually don't wish to quote all parts of all the messages so it's not so bad. -- ©Allie C Martin -- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 [MUA: TB! v1.54 Beta/15 (*) OS: Win2K SP2] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: 'Ghost' Messages
Hello William, On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:01:25 + GMT (15/12/2001, 06:01 +0800 GMT), William Moore wrote: WM Does anyone recognise the following symptoms? WM it appears in the message list with a blank 'from', 'to' and WM 'subject'. When I double-click, the message opens but only WM contains the final few lines, typically from the 'Regards' (or WM whatever) to the end of the message. Check out whether a message is split. I had this a few versions back; any message with the word From at the beginning of a line was split by TB, so that a new message was created from that line on. Of course, it didn't have any correct headers that why: WM I've just noticed on the example today that the 'created' date is WM Sat,30 Dec 1899 00:00:00! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
