Re: [Texascavers] What is this ?
No vandels at cave x it's gated. But I promise you your location is off. Close but off On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 7:38 PM David via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Zoom in on this. > > Is it a tiny karst pond ? > > > Dropped Pin > > https://goo.gl/maps/XsUCuEok8NF2 > > Turn on satellite imagery. > > > > P.S. it does not seem to be bad idea to post a cave location on CaveTex > when it is 100 yards from the front door of a school and behind a house. > > I bet more vandals have been in Cave X than cavers. > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] What is this ?
Zoom in on this. Is it a tiny karst pond ? Dropped Pin https://goo.gl/maps/XsUCuEok8NF2 Turn on satellite imagery. P.S. it does not seem to be bad idea to post a cave location on CaveTex when it is 100 yards from the front door of a school and behind a house. I bet more vandals have been in Cave X than cavers. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] What Do Florida and a Comet Have in Common? Sinkholes
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[Texascavers] What Oregon does with lava tubes!
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[Texascavers] What ever happened to ..... ?
Since it is quite out there in CaveTexLand, I thought I would try something nostalgic. Who wants to go first ? What ever happened to .. Doug Allen ? What ever happened to Joel King ? etc. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] What ever happened to ..... ?
Since it is quite out there in CaveTexLand, I thought I would try something nostalgic. Who wants to go first ? What ever happened to .. Doug Allen ? What ever happened to Joel King ? etc. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] What ever happened to ..... ?
Since it is quite out there in CaveTexLand, I thought I would try something nostalgic. Who wants to go first ? What ever happened to .. Doug Allen ? What ever happened to Joel King ? etc. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] What is a Public Servant?
I've heard that argument before: Occifer, I pay your salary, so lemme outta here! Who is the jailer serving if he lets you out, you (a taxpayer) or the rest of us (also taxpayers)? Andy I appreciate the valuable job the BLM does in protecting natural and cultural resources, but I feel that an employee of a government agency should lose track of the fact that they are a public servant, with all the fine implications of that term.
[Texascavers] What is a Public Servant?
From Dictionary.com: public servant –noun a person holding a government office or job by election or appointment; person in public service. Origin: 1670–80 I appreciate the valuable job the BLM does in protecting natural and cultural resources, but I feel that an employee of a government agency should lose track of the fact that they are a public servant, with all the fine implications of that term. --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Gary McDaniel scar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary McDaniel scar...@gmail.com Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] obnoxious landowners dept: To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:37 AM Working for the BLM, Bill, my job is as a steward of our public lands, not as a public servant. While we have no signifiant caves in the 1.2 million acres that I cover, we do have a large amount of significant archeological resources. We protect these resources fervently and that includes asking visitors not publish the locations of said resources. Just as cavers are asked not to openly publish cave locations Gary McDaniel Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2554 BE, at 7:11 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From the latest CRF Newsletter: On another matter, we have to remind everybody to be careful about posting cave photographs or publicity on your personal Facebook page. Agencies are very sensitive about this kind of extraneous publicity, especially given the WNS situation and our argeements that require agency coordination on any kind of publicity. Be sure that you check with your project or operations manager before posting any kind of information about CRF work or trips. The agencies are of course our government alleged servants, the USFS and the NPS. Getting to resurvey stuff in Mammoth Cave must be really rewarding for cavers to put up with such nonsense. -- Mixon If a thing is not worth doing, it is not worth doing well. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] What Are Y'all Doing Over Spring Break?
Hey, y'all! I have permits for the caves below for the week of March 15th thru the 18th out in the Carlsbad Caverns area and room for about a couple more cavers to go caving with Edwin Lehr and me, as well as one or more of my kids. It will be primitive camping, weather permitting, at Parks Ranch with a crew of Aggies the first part of the week (unless we can cajole some of the cavers here who reside in Carlsbad to allow use the use of their back yards!). We will be arriving in Carlsbad Saturday evening on the 13th, going to the big cave on Sunday (Spider Cave tour), and heading to the wild caves the rest of the week. All of these are impressive caves, with some fair amount of hiking involved to Lake and Goat. We will be doing back country camping at the Texas Camp in Lincoln Nat'l Forest for Cottonwood and Black. With all of the hullabaloo as to permits, I have verified that I still have them. Here's some of the details: Lake - 6 max Goat - 6 max Corkscrew - 4 max Monday, March 15th - Lake and Goat Tuesday, March 16th - Sitting Bull Falls and Corkscrew Wednesday, March 17th - Cottonwood Thursday, March 18th - Black We can work in Parks Ranch Cave (a fun gypsum cave) as time allows. Give me a holler back if you'd be interested. Thanks! Mark
[Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel
Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this, caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list. Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel
RE: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
Well done sir! Mediation at it's finest. The question now is, will these unruly opinionated cavers (myself especially) heed your suggestion to leave well enough alone? We shall see... Wes~ From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:52:41 -0600 To: bmorgan...@aol.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this, caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list. Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/
RE: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
Can we pre-filter messages (ie. before they are sent to the list) and remove any ones that contain the words: God, oztotl, religion, etc ? From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:07 PM To: wo...@justfamily.org; bmorgan...@aol.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Well done sir! Mediation at it's finest. The question now is, will these unruly opinionated cavers (myself especially) heed your suggestion to leave well enough alone? We shall see... Wes~ From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:52:41 -0600 To: bmorgan...@aol.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this, caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list. Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
We could, its called moderation, and I'm not going to do it, too much work for me. This is an old discussion, its been brought up several times (moderation that is) Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Can we pre-filter messages (ie. before they are sent to the list) and remove any ones that contain the words: God, oztotl, religion, etc ? From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:07 PM To: wo...@justfamily.org; bmorgan...@aol.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Well done sir! Mediation at it's finest. The question now is, will these unruly opinionated cavers (myself especially) heed your suggestion to leave well enough alone? We shall see... Wes~ From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:52:41 -0600 To: bmorgan...@aol.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this, caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list. Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
I was hoping it could be done automatically, but would probably be a pain to set up (I don't know, I only know chips not software). In the end I don't care, my delete button works real well and I have a fast 'net link. Stefan -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:04 PM To: Stefan Creaser Cc: wesley s Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? We could, its called moderation, and I'm not going to do it, too much work for me. This is an old discussion, its been brought up several times (moderation that is) Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Can we pre-filter messages (ie. before they are sent to the list) and remove any ones that contain the words: God, oztotl, religion, etc ? From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:07 PM To: wo...@justfamily.org; bmorgan...@aol.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Well done sir! Mediation at it's finest. The question now is, will these unruly opinionated cavers (myself especially) heed your suggestion to leave well enough alone? We shall see... Wes~ From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:52:41 -0600 To: bmorgan...@aol.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here? Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this, caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list. Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
Sleaze, I like the lighter note. Cave softly. Rusticated bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
Tackling the tough subjects Charles. We appreciate you sticking your neck out. ;) On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this, caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list. Charles On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: Rusticaver: How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled with the holy water? It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest? I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant. Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name! Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth, Sleazeweazel - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Brian Riordan 979-218-8009 (Mobile) riordan.br...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
That very appreciative European caver (Gyorgy Czentes) was ecstatic to be able to take a flag home to Germany. You made his day, Allan... 2009/7/27 Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Sparky (my golf cart) was a real workhorse. Many of you saw me as an almost permanent attachment to seat of Sparky. Sparky saved me at least 25 miles of walking a day. I decorated Sparky with a Texas flag and it was a big hit. Many groups of foreign cavers were seen taking their picture in front of Sparky's flag. Yesterday, when I took the flag off of Sparky, I gave the flag to a very appreciative European caver. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
RE: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
And PLEASE don't forget Rune and Susan and their crew that changed a very nice library into a beautiful place for art. Rune spent hours upon hours in the weeks leading up to the ICS designing and pre-fabricated walls and stands and flying quilts. It all came together with the help of many that I don't know the list of names. The univ vice president liked the way the quilts looked so much he said that they may start using that way to decorate the library more often. And please think about Bob West who is STILL there today and will not get to leave until Wed. Jon --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS! To: vivb...@att.net, 'Texascavers' Texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:45 PM Thanks, Viv – two more of those behind the scene guys that did such a great job – And everybody loved the TS evening! We tried to find a place that would let us have a dance after the banquet and might have begged you to play, but none of those plans worked out. Cheers! From: vivb...@att.net [mailto:vivb...@att.net] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Texascavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS! Just to help flush out the thank you list a little more: Bill Stephens did a bang-up job on the speleolympics, with a lot of help from the multitudes. Rod Goke- In addition to being sound-engineer for the Terminal Syphons, which was a full time job for at least 5 days straight, not counting the weeks of preparation, he also helped Rick Corbell with many of the other A/V needs. -Vivian Loftin -- Original message from Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net: -- Many, many Texas Cavers stepped up to do a part to make ICS happen! A few more THANKS! are in order -- in addition to all those mentioned before. I'll try not to list people already mentioned. Things were not perfect, but they happened, and mostly smoothly. Bev Shade came back from Argentina to deal with facilities. She was still loading tables and tearing down when I was back to Kerrville about noon today. Bev made sure there were tables and chairs where they needed to be -- Rick Corbel did audio/visual. He worked to make sure there were projectors and sound everywhere needed -- and work he did with the help of a host of others including Marvin Miller back from the southeast. Bill Steele put on Texas sized and style Howdy Party! Bob Cowell worked on camp grounds -- and helped coordinate sinks, showers, trash cans, and whatever was needed in camp. Sara Ranzau was the ICE Queen -- making sure there was ice for the kegs, caving trips, kegs, and whatever else we needed Ice for. Travis Scott with the help of Joe Mitchell did trips -- caving -- trying to keep up with what was making, what was needed, what would work. Joe Ranzau coordinated food -- and other junk -- but the food was sometimes a big challenge with the guy who negotiated the food contract leaving so he did not have to make it happen. Kurt Menking organized Wednesday Trips and made sure they happened, calling a replacement driver out of bed to take a trip. Bob West and Josie Hooper were still working on rooms today -- great job with that. John Moses, ICS secretary, (El Paso is part of Texas) who helped organize it all and pitched in where needed. Joe Mitchell did cultural trips -- buses where people wanted to go in TEXAS -- though the River Trips were really hard with no water. Michael Melissa Cicherski tried to keep us from bankrupting the NSS -- maybe they succeeded -- but a very thankless job from my point of view. Jon Cradit coordinated facilities -- rentals and all the other stuff needed to make it happen. Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Charles Goldsmith came out of hiding to prove he is not a myth, and worked hard all week making sure we had internet -- then hauling kegs. All of the people above could not have done it without all the help of each Texas Caver who pitched in for 30 minutes or 10 days. I'm sure I have forgotten or missed specifics, but Texas hosted an International Congress and did a GREAT job! Thanks to ALL. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Many, many Texas Cavers stepped up to do a part to make ICS happen! A few more THANKS! are in order -- in addition to all those mentioned before. I'll try not to list people already mentioned. Things were not perfect, but they happened, and mostly smoothly. Bev Shade came back from Argentina to deal with facilities. She was still loading tables and tearing down when I was back to Kerrville about noon today. Bev made sure there were tables and chairs where they needed to be -- Rick Corbel did audio/visual. He worked to make sure there were projectors and sound everywhere needed -- and work he did with the help of a host of others including Marvin Miller back from the southeast. Bill Steele put on Texas sized and style Howdy Party! Bob Cowell worked on camp grounds -- and helped coordinate sinks, showers, trash cans, and whatever was needed in camp. Sara Ranzau was the ICE Queen -- making sure there was ice for the kegs, caving trips, kegs, and whatever else we needed Ice for. Travis Scott with the help of Joe Mitchell did trips -- caving -- trying to keep up with what was making, what was needed, what would work. Joe Ranzau coordinated food -- and other junk -- but the food was sometimes a big challenge with the guy who negotiated the food contract leaving so he did not have to make it happen. Kurt Menking organized Wednesday Trips and made sure they happened, calling a replacement driver out of bed to take a trip. Bob West and Josie Hooper were still working on rooms today -- great job with that. John Moses, ICS secretary, (El Paso is part of Texas) who helped organize it all and pitched in where needed. Joe Mitchell did cultural trips -- buses where people wanted to go in TEXAS -- though the River Trips were really hard with no water. Michael Melissa Cicherski tried to keep us from bankrupting the NSS -- maybe they succeeded -- but a very thankless job from my point of view. Jon Cradit coordinated facilities -- rentals and all the other stuff needed to make it happen. Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Charles Goldsmith came out of hiding to prove he is not a myth, and worked hard all week making sure we had internet -- then hauling kegs. All of the people above could not have done it without all the help of each Texas Caver who pitched in for 30 minutes or 10 days. I'm sure I have forgotten or missed specifics, but Texas hosted an International Congress and did a GREAT job! Thanks to ALL. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
The problem with making any kind of list for an event like this is that people always get left off. Linda asked me to look over the list before she sent it out. After she sent it, more names started popping up. Big thanks got to Bob West and Jocie Hooper for working on rooms. They were very busy getting people into and out of their rooms. Lisa Goggins was a huge help in making signs that kept us informed and driving the right way! Also, big thanks go to Linda Palit for pulling off not one, but two banquets during the week. This was done even with all the obstacles that were thrown in. We had to change the venue for the banquets the week before ICS. This meant that most of the planning that had been done prior to ICS had to be thrown out or adapted to the new location. I'm sure there are many others who spent time, effort, energy, and money to make ICS happen. Thanks to all of the volunteers who pitched in one way or another. Allan - Original Message - From: Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net To: 'Texascavers' Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS! Many, many Texas Cavers stepped up to do a part to make ICS happen! A few more THANKS! are in order -- in addition to all those mentioned before. I'll try not to list people already mentioned. Things were not perfect, but they happened, and mostly smoothly. Bev Shade came back from Argentina to deal with facilities. She was still loading tables and tearing down when I was back to Kerrville about noon today. Bev made sure there were tables and chairs where they needed to be -- Rick Corbel did audio/visual. He worked to make sure there were projectors and sound everywhere needed -- and work he did with the help of a host of others including Marvin Miller back from the southeast. Bill Steele put on Texas sized and style Howdy Party! Bob Cowell worked on camp grounds -- and helped coordinate sinks, showers, trash cans, and whatever was needed in camp. Sara Ranzau was the ICE Queen -- making sure there was ice for the kegs, caving trips, kegs, and whatever else we needed Ice for. Travis Scott with the help of Joe Mitchell did trips -- caving -- trying to keep up with what was making, what was needed, what would work. Joe Ranzau coordinated food -- and other junk -- but the food was sometimes a big challenge with the guy who negotiated the food contract leaving so he did not have to make it happen. Kurt Menking organized Wednesday Trips and made sure they happened, calling a replacement driver out of bed to take a trip. Bob West and Josie Hooper were still working on rooms today -- great job with that. John Moses, ICS secretary, (El Paso is part of Texas) who helped organize it all and pitched in where needed. Joe Mitchell did cultural trips -- buses where people wanted to go in TEXAS -- though the River Trips were really hard with no water. Michael Melissa Cicherski tried to keep us from bankrupting the NSS -- maybe they succeeded -- but a very thankless job from my point of view. Jon Cradit coordinated facilities -- rentals and all the other stuff needed to make it happen. Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Charles Goldsmith came out of hiding to prove he is not a myth, and worked hard all week making sure we had internet -- then hauling kegs. All of the people above could not have done it without all the help of each Texas Caver who pitched in for 30 minutes or 10 days. I'm sure I have forgotten or missed specifics, but Texas hosted an International Congress and did a GREAT job! Thanks to ALL. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Thanks for summarizing the ICS up, Travis and Linda! My kids and I were thrilled to have been a part of such a monumental and enjoyable Texas-sized event. To the others out there who attended, please keep posting your thoughts and reports here, as I would like to use them in the next ICS intensive TEXAS CAVER. Due to the sheer volume, though, I also need your photos, as well. Please send them to texascav...@yahoo.com Thanks to all who helped out and start sending away! Mark From: Linda Palit [mailto:lkpa...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Mon 7/27/2009 2:31 PM To: 'Texascavers' Subject: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS! Many, many Texas Cavers stepped up to do a part to make ICS happen! A few more THANKS! are in order -- in addition to all those mentioned before. I'll try not to list people already mentioned.
Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Like I said, making any kind of list like this always leaves out very deserving people. This is by no means meant to slight anyone. Courtney Corbell and Justin Menking were two young workhorses. They always seemed to be around and were always working. Without them, many things would simple not have gotten done. Thanks to both of you... Allan - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Just to help flush out the thank you list a little more: Bill Stephens did a bang-up job on the speleolympics, with a lot of help from the multitudes. Rod Goke- In addition to being sound-engineer for the Terminal Syphons, which was a full time job for at least 5 days straight, not counting the weeks of preparation, he also helped Rick Corbell with many of the other A/V needs. -Vivian Loftin -- Original message from Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net: -- Many, many Texas Cavers stepped up to do a part to make ICS happen! A few more THANKS! are in order -- in addition to all those mentioned before. I'll try not to list people already mentioned. Things were not perfect, but they happened, and mostly smoothly. Bev Shade came back from Argentina to deal with facilities. She was still loading tables and tearing down when I was back to Kerrville about noon today. Bev made sure there were tables and chairs where they needed to be -- Rick Corbel did audio/visual. He worked to make sure there were projectors and sound everywhere needed -- and work he did with the help of a host of others including Marvin Miller back from the southeast. Bill Steele put on Texas sized and style Howdy Party! Bob Cowell worked on camp grounds -- and helped coordinate sinks, showers, trash cans, and whatever was needed in camp. Sara Ranzau was the ICE Queen -- making sure there was ice for the kegs, caving trips, kegs, and whatever else we needed Ice for. Travis Scott with the help of Joe Mitchell did trips -- caving -- trying to keep up with what was making, what was needed, what would work. Joe Ranzau coordinated food -- and other junk -- but the food was sometimes a big challenge with the guy who negotiated the food contract leaving so he did not have to make it happen. Kurt Menking organized Wednesday Trips and made sure they happened, calling a replacement driver out of bed to take a trip. Bob West and Josie Hooper were still working on rooms today -- great job with that. John Moses, ICS secretary, (El Paso is part of Texas) who helped organize it all and pitched in where needed. Joe Mitchell did cultural trips -- buses where people wanted to go in TEXAS -- though the River Trips were really hard with no water. Michael Melissa Cicherski tried to keep us from bankrupting the NSS -- maybe they succeeded -- but a very thankless job from my point of view. Jon Cradit coordinated facilities -- rentals and all the other stuff needed to make it happen. Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Charles Goldsmith came out of hiding to prove he is not a myth, and worked hard all week making sure we had internet -- then hauling kegs. All of the people above could not have done it without all the help of each Texas Caver who pitched in for 30 minutes or 10 days. I'm sure I have forgotten or missed specifics, but Texas hosted an International Congress and did a GREAT job! Thanks to ALL. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Allan Cobb wrote: Like I said, making any kind of list like this always leaves out very deserving people. Allan, et al, I agree and please understand that my little list of thanks was only for those that worked under me. My trips used only a fraction of the folks that worked their butts off for the ICS and I would have by no means done justice listing anything outside of my little corner of such a big event. There are just tooo many... - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Sparky (my golf cart) was a real workhorse. Many of you saw me as an almost permanent attachment to seat of Sparky. Sparky saved me at least 25 miles of walking a day. I decorated Sparky with a Texas flag and it was a big hit. Many groups of foreign cavers were seen taking their picture in front of Sparky's flag. Yesterday, when I took the flag off of Sparky, I gave the flag to a very appreciative European caver. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Ann Scott and I are finally done! I love Texas Cavers! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS!
Thanks, Viv – two more of those behind the scene guys that did such a great job – And everybody loved the TS evening! We tried to find a place that would let us have a dance after the banquet and might have begged you to play, but none of those plans worked out. Cheers! From: vivb...@att.net [mailto:vivb...@att.net] Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Texascavers' Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What it TAKES -- You got it... ICS TEXAS! Just to help flush out the thank you list a little more: Bill Stephens did a bang-up job on the speleolympics, with a lot of help from the multitudes. Rod Goke- In addition to being sound-engineer for the Terminal Syphons, which was a full time job for at least 5 days straight, not counting the weeks of preparation, he also helped Rick Corbell with many of the other A/V needs. -Vivian Loftin -- Original message from Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net: -- Many, many Texas Cavers stepped up to do a part to make ICS happen! A few more THANKS! are in order -- in addition to all those mentioned before. I'll try not to list people already mentioned. Things were not perfect, but they happened, and mostly smoothly. Bev Shade came back from Argentina to deal with facilities. She was still loading tables and tearing down when I was back to Kerrville about noon today. Bev made sure there were tables and chairs where they needed to be -- Rick Corbel did audio/visual. He worked to make sure there were projectors and sound everywhere needed -- and work he did with the help of a host of others including Marvin Miller back from the southeast. Bill Steele put on Texas sized and style Howdy Party! Bob Cowell worked on camp grounds -- and helped coordinate sinks, showers, trash cans, and whatever was needed in camp. Sara Ranzau was the ICE Queen -- making sure there was ice for the kegs, caving trips, kegs, and whatever else we needed Ice for. Travis Scott with the help of Joe Mitchell did trips -- caving -- trying to keep up with what was making, what was needed, what would work. Joe Ranzau coordinated food -- and other junk -- but the food was sometimes a big challenge with the guy who negotiated the food contract leaving so he did not have to make it happen. Kurt Menking organized Wednesday Trips and made sure they happened, calling a replacement driver out of bed to take a trip. Bob West and Josie Hooper were still working on rooms today -- great job with that. John Moses, ICS secretary, (El Paso is part of Texas) who helped organize it all and pitched in where needed. Joe Mitchell did cultural trips -- buses where people wanted to go in TEXAS -- though the River Trips were really hard with no water. Michael Melissa Cicherski tried to keep us from bankrupting the NSS -- maybe they succeeded -- but a very thankless job from my point of view. Jon Cradit coordinated facilities -- rentals and all the other stuff needed to make it happen. Allan Cobb and Sparky the golf cart coordinated all cultural events -- parties, trips, banquets, and sundry. Charles Goldsmith came out of hiding to prove he is not a myth, and worked hard all week making sure we had internet -- then hauling kegs. All of the people above could not have done it without all the help of each Texas Caver who pitched in for 30 minutes or 10 days. I'm sure I have forgotten or missed specifics, but Texas hosted an International Congress and did a GREAT job! Thanks to ALL. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] What came first--flight or echolocation?
In this week's issue of Nature is an article about the analysis of a 52.5 million-year old bat fossil. The authors conclude that the bat was able to fly but unable to echolocate, thus suggesting that bats evolved flight first. Reproduced below is the News and Views article describing the importance and implications of this work. Nature 451, 774-775 (14 February 2008) | doi:10.1038/451774a; Published online 13 February 2008 Evolutionary biology: A first for bats by John Speakman Abstract: Which came first as bats evolved — flight or echolocation? Newly described fossils favour the flight-first hypothesis. But these creatures may have been otherwise equipped for flying at night. A long-standing debate about the processes that led to the evolution of modern bats takes a new twist with the discovery of remarkable fossil bats recovered from the Green River formation in Wyoming. The fossils, which constitute a new genus and species, are described by Simmons et al. on page 818 of this issue(1). Phylogenetic analysis and comparison with other fossil bats recovered from the same formation, and from the Messel formation in Germany, indicate that this is the most ancient species of bat yet discovered. The problem of understanding bat evolution dates back at least to Charles Darwin, who in The Origin of Species enumerated a list of difficulties he saw with the theory of evolution by natural selection. The example often discussed is the origin of the eye. But Darwin also mentioned the vexed issue of how bats had arisen from terrestrial ancestors. The discovery of echolocation in bats about 50 years ago(2) added an additional feature to the conundrum of the early evolution of bats. This currently boils down to one big question: which came first, echolocation or flight(3,4)? For a long time, 'echolocation first' held sway. Ancestral 'pre-bats' were hypothesized to have been small terrestrial or arboreal echolocators that detected passing insects using their echolocation and snatched them from the air4. This favoured the extension of the arms and digits to facilitate prey capture, perhaps with webbing between the digits. Eventually, these animals started leaping out to capture insects, using their echolocation to guide them to a landing spot and their extended arms and digits as an aerofoil. From this point they started hunting from perches (known as perch hunting) and eventually developed fully powered flight (called aerial hawking; Fig. 1). Supporters of the echolocation-first hypothesis pointed to the existence of terrestrial animals, such as certain shrews, that have rudimentary echolocation systems; and to the fact that the most primitive extant bats often use perch hunting, and lack a feature known as the calcar, which is also absent in the most ancient fossil bats. (The calcar is a cartilaginous spur projecting from the base of the lower limb and running along the edge of the membrane between the hind limbs and tail.) Moreover, the idea that bats might have evolved the ability to fly before they could orient themselves in darkness was seen as highly unlikely. However, around the end of the 1980s, evidence accumulated, including work from my own group, that favoured the 'flight-first' hypothesis. One paper(5) showed that, for a bat hanging at rest, echolocation is extremely energetically costly. This high cost probably explains why no terrestrial mammals have evolved full-blown echolocation systems such as those used by bats. However, a second paper(6) showed that when a bat takes flight these costs disappear. This is because of a remarkable coupling of the beating of the wings with the ventilation of the lungs and production of the echolocation pulses(7). When a bat hangs stationary and echolocates, it must contract its muscles specifically to generate a forceful expiratory burst, and this is where the large costs come from. When a bat is flying, it is already contracting these muscles, so in effect echolocation when flying is free (or at least substantially cheaper). But what about the problem of bats flying in darkness before they could orient themselves? A hypothesis I favour(8) is that the earliest ancestors of bats may have been diurnal, and had visual means of orientation — but were perhaps forced to become nocturnal by the appearance of avian predators, shortly after the dinosaurs became extinct around 65 million years ago. Some then evolved echolocation, whereas others became nocturnal vision specialists. Until the discovery of the specimens reported by Simmons et al.(1), the fossil record has been rather unhelpful in resolving these issues: the earliest-known bats, which have been recovered from Eocene deposits around 50 million years old, are fully formed bats very similar to extant ones(9, 10). It has been possible
[Texascavers] What lurks in the dark II
What lurks in the dark II: My apologies to anyone who has previously read this on TAGnet. It was well received, and it does have something to do with bats and caves, so I have here posted an updated version: Susan from Reston was kind enough to post a link on TAGnet to an article about the Maclaud's horseshoe bat from the highland forests of Guinea in West Africa. Read the whole article at: _http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070622-bat-picture.html_ (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070622-bat-picture.html) Right next to it was a video about fishing bats and cave dwelling catfish battling it out in Belize: _http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060724-bat-fish-video.html_ (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060724-bat-fish-video.html) The video is a bit hokey, and obviously staged, but interesting nonetheless. Fishing bats, Noctilio leporinus, are quite common throughout coastal areas in Belize and elsewhere in Central America, and are totally cool. They make excellent evening entertainment for those inclined to sip their rum slowly in a ramshackled shack by the waters edge. I believe that they somewhat specialize on “Billum”, Astyanax mexicanus, which are small highly aggressive freshwater fish of the characin family (think tiny Piranhas!) They are so active and aggressive that if one attempts to fish for larger species by casting bait or a lure across the stream it is followed as it arcs through the air. The moment it lands in the water is set upon by hundreds of the ravenous Billum. They are sold in pet shops as Mexican Tetras and are not a good choice for a community tank! When the seed ticks have covered your testicles there is nothing quite like an evening dip in a cool clear stream. Just sit there as best you can while thousands of Billum nibble off the ticks! Beware that they are confirmed nipple biters! But then perhaps those who inhabit glass caves shouldn't throw stones! Meanwhile the catfish lurk. They are everywhere, in the sewage canals, under stumps, in wet mud, and in both fresh and brackish water. Every wet crevice in every cave is full of them, some of which exhibit cave adapted traits, other less so. As evening falls they begin their nightly foray, and anything they can shove into their mouths is fair game. It was interesting to observe that the sewage canals of Belize city were for many years so toxic that even catfish couldn't live there. Now that the situation is slightly improved due to British aid the catfish have returned to form a solid squirming mass. They can be seen by the billions gulping air off the surface since there is no oxygen whatsoever in the water. In Belize nobody ever eats catfish. That’s because everybody knows what catfish eat, not normally bats as shown in the above linked movie, but rather the ubiquitous brown trout. For those of you grown jaded by the thrills of caving just try this: There you are in Gales Point, a tiny village on the Southern Lagoon which is the jumpoff point for a dugout canoe trip up the Manatee river to visit the gigantic cave at the headwaters (give yourself two weeks for a leisurely round trip!). It is time for that special moment alone, so you walk down the moonlit path to the outhouse (being careful to avoid the Tommygoff snakes nipping at your heels!) With great trepidation you walk the treacherous rotten plank to the dilapidated stick structure poised over the dark waters of the lagoon. Let us assume for the moment that this is a private facility, for if it were a public facility it would be impossible to come anywhere near the structure because the brown trout would have long ago migrated ashore to become terrestrial, thereby preventing access. Once seated upon the throne, which is a transverse stick, you pause to contemplate the universe. Your eyes become accustomed to the gloom such that you can see the tiny ripples in the otherwise still water, and your ears become attuned to the tiny ominous splishes and splashes that seem to be coming ever nearer. You begin to enjoy that special moment of plipping and plopping as the brown trout enter the sea to complete their life cycle. Just think, only yesterday they were tacos! Then you look down, and to your horror the water has begun to glow with a lurid bio-luminescence. Swirling ghostly shapes can be seen snapping at the trout. Suddenly they begin to leap, their glistening black bodies illuminated in the spray, each one eager to be the first to take a trout straight from the tap! Your business is not yet done, but sphincter clampage sets in as the whiskers of the leaping catfish tickle your most private parts, and their cold noses, like those of black slimy puppies from hell, seek to burrow within in search of the ultimate source of all those delicious tidbits! A battle rages between
Re: [Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope
they all seem to be great candidates for the Darwin Award!
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[Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope
what the f... was this guy trying to do? :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bI7GUJcEc _ Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07
RE: [Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope
Proving that Darwin works in not so mysterious ways, hopefully before he was able to reproduce. From: Antonio Aguirre Alvarez [mailto:nelfas...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:28 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope what the f... was this guy trying to do? :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bI7GUJcEc _ Download Messenger. Start an i'm conversation. Support a cause. Join http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07 Now!
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I don't know if I'd call that an accident. Looked to me like he pretty much did it on purpose... What a maroon. - Original Message - From: Antonio Aguirre Alvarez nelfas...@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 5:29 pm Subject: [Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope To: texascavers@texascavers.com what the f... was this guy trying to do? :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bI7GUJcEc _ Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07
Re: [Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope
I'd call it Darwin Award rather than accident Nico On 5/9/07, k...@houston.rr.com k...@houston.rr.com wrote: I don't know if I'd call that an accident. Looked to me like he pretty much did it on purpose... What a maroon. - Original Message - From: Antonio Aguirre Alvarez nelfas...@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 5:29 pm Subject: [Texascavers] what the f... accident on rope To: texascavers@texascavers.com what the f... was this guy trying to do? :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bI7GUJcEc _ Download Messenger. Start an i'm conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07
