[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be 
possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the spurious 
line feed?

If I write:

:indent
::double indent
:::triple indent

 I get:

   indent

   double indent

triple indent

-- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text 
without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

Some text
:Line1
:Line2

Some more text
:Line3
:Line4

and get this:

Some text
   Line1
   Line2

Some more text
   Line3
   Line4

This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

regards

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen 
wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it 
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks




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[tw] Re: GettingStarted tiddler is zealous at startup

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 05:19:20 UTC+2 schrieb Richard Smith:

 Expected behaviour is: GettingStarted doesn't appear
 Actual behaviour is: GettingStarted appears

 Reason: The URL I'm reloading 
 (file:///Users/smith/Desktop/test9july2.html#GettingStarted:GettingStarted) 
 still contains a reference to GettingStarted as it was open when I reloaded 
 the page.

 @Jeremy: Proposal: Do not open non-existing tiddlers from permalinks. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Neil Griffin
Perhaps, but the backslash was just meant as an example (I'm sure people 
here other than me have a better idea of what character combinations are 
available).  Maybe \n would be more acceptable.  Incidentally, a suitable 
character could even be used in the middle of a line of WikiText if needed 
(as br can be).

Matabele: The definitions syntax doesn't really work in the places I have 
been wanting a linebreak.  And it feels more intuitive to have the 
linebreak character at the end of a line rather than at the start of the 
next (or to have the option of having it in the middle, as mentioned above).

Cheers,

On Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:32:30 UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:



 Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2014 23:30:20 UTC+2 schrieb Neil Griffin:

 I'm thinking something like a backslash-terminated line.


 Sure you COULD do that, but this would break the programmer's 
 understanding of a backslash-terminated line which means: Ignore the 
 linebreak! The next line belongs to this line. 


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek
Question: You came across this? 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

The standard (as far as there is one) is to use a double backslash: 
http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/LineBreaks

regards

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen 
wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it 
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks




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[tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

And in markdown:

 you end the line with two or more spaces, then type return


 -- which I think looks much better than a pair of trailing backslashes.

regards

On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen 
wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it 
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks




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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
  you end the line with two or more spaces, then type return

I'm not a huge fan of invisible formatting as it makes it very hard to
visually scan content.

 The standard (as far as there is one) is to use a double backslash:
http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/LineBreaks

The Creole syntax isn't quite what I expected. They use double backslash on
their own, so that this example would contain a linebreak:

Some\\thing

I'd expected the linebreak to be triggered by a double backslash followed
by a newline:

Some\\
thing

I've created a ticket for adding wikicreole line breaks:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/678

Best wishes

Jeremy




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 Hi

 And in markdown:

  you end the line with two or more spaces, then type return


  -- which I think looks much better than a pair of trailing backslashes.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele


A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be
 possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the
 spurious line feed?


TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The additional
linespacing comes from the default CSS built into browsers; TiddlyWiki
doesn't have any CSS affecting definition lists.

I'd be happy to refine the CSS but in cases like this I'd prefer to follow
the lead of an existing CSS framework.

Best wishes

Jeremy





 If I write:

 :indent
 ::double indent
 :::triple indent

  I get:

indent

double indent

 triple indent

 -- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

 This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text
 without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

 Some text
 :Line1
 :Line2

 Some more text
 :Line3
 :Line4

 and get this:

 Some text
Line1
Line2

 Some more text
Line3
Line4

 This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks


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Re: [tw] Re: GettingStarted tiddler is zealous at startup

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston



 @Jeremy: Proposal: Do not open non-existing tiddlers from permalinks.


Interesting. I think there are some situations where it's useful to be able
to permalink to missing tiddlers but I'd be more concerned with
inconsistency introduced by the layering of another arbitrary behaviour.

I think the underlying issue here is that the permalink behaviour continues
to be unexpected for many users. I'm more inclined to switch off permalink
updating by default. (Incoming permalinks would still work, but the address
bar wouldn't be automatically updated during navigation).

Best wishes

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy

In that case, there appears to be a bug -- because:

ddsome text/dd
some text/dd/dd
ddsome text/dd/dd/dd

-- doesn't generate spurious blank lines, whereas:

:some text
::some text
:::some text

-- does.

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele


 A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be 
 possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the 
 spurious line feed?


 TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The additional 
 linespacing comes from the default CSS built into browsers; TiddlyWiki 
 doesn't have any CSS affecting definition lists.

 I'd be happy to refine the CSS but in cases like this I'd prefer to follow 
 the lead of an existing CSS framework.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


  


 If I write:

 :indent
 ::double indent
 :::triple indent

  I get:

indent

double indent

 triple indent

 -- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

 This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text 
 without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

 Some text
 :Line1
 :Line2

 Some more text
 :Line3
 :Line4

 and get this:

 Some text
Line1
Line2

 Some more text
Line3
Line4

 This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it 
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

Also -- try this:

Some text
ddsome text/dd
some text/dd/dd
ddsome text/dd/dd/dd

Some text
:some text
::some text
:::some text

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele


 A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be 
 possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the 
 spurious line feed?


 TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The additional 
 linespacing comes from the default CSS built into browsers; TiddlyWiki 
 doesn't have any CSS affecting definition lists.

 I'd be happy to refine the CSS but in cases like this I'd prefer to follow 
 the lead of an existing CSS framework.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


  


 If I write:

 :indent
 ::double indent
 :::triple indent

  I get:

indent

double indent

 triple indent

 -- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

 This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text 
 without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

 Some text
 :Line1
 :Line2

 Some more text
 :Line3
 :Line4

 and get this:

 Some text
Line1
Line2

 Some more text
Line3
Line4

 This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it 
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks


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[tw] [TW5] Removing all state tiddlers

2014-07-09 Thread Ulrik Stervbo
Hello List,

I am not sure, I want TiddlyWiki to remember the state of tabs and Hradek's 
slider between sessions. Is there a clever way of making TiddlyWiki forget 
states from session to session?

Also, I currently have some 200 state tiddlers, is there a clever way of 
deleting these?

Cheers,
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:57:26 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:


 The Creole syntax isn't quite what I expected. They use double backslash 
 on their own, so that this example would contain a linebreak:

 Some\\thing

 I'd expected the linebreak to be triggered by a double backslash followed 
 by a newline:

 Some\\
 thing


I agree, seems odd -- I think I prefer the latter convention. Also, it 
would be handy to have an easy way to add comments, especially within 
macros. Perhaps it would be possible to treat any text after the trailing 
double backslash as a comment -- thus:

Something\\comment
else


-- would appear as:

Something
else

-- haven't thought through the implications for code though.
 

 I've created a ticket for adding wikicreole line breaks:

 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/678


I think that might get quite a number of users off your back :-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele

In that case, there appears to be a bug -- because:

 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd


The HTML generated by TW5 actually looks like this:

dlddsome textdlddsome textdlddsome
text/dd/dl/dd/dl/dd/dl

The blank lines are coming from the default margin on the dl element.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



 -- doesn't generate spurious blank lines, whereas:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text

 -- does.

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele


 A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be
 possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the
 spurious line feed?


 TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The additional
 linespacing comes from the default CSS built into browsers; TiddlyWiki
 doesn't have any CSS affecting definition lists.

 I'd be happy to refine the CSS but in cases like this I'd prefer to
 follow the lead of an existing CSS framework.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy





 If I write:

 :indent
 ::double indent
 :::triple indent

  I get:

indent

double indent

 triple indent

 -- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

 This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text
 without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

 Some text
 :Line1
 :Line2

 Some more text
 :Line3
 :Line4

 and get this:

 Some text
Line1
Line2

 Some more text
Line3
Line4

 This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Removing all state tiddlers

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

I think that this might be done by prefixing the state tiddlers you wish to 
be trashed with '$:/state/popup/' (popup state tiddlers are not saved.)

My preferred technique is to use a field of the currentTiddler to store 
states, especially for sliders -- this eliminates long lists of state 
tiddlers in the system tab (but preserves the state between refreshes.)

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:12:43 AM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Hello List,

 I am not sure, I want TiddlyWiki to remember the state of tabs and 
 Hradek's slider between sessions. Is there a clever way of making 
 TiddlyWiki forget states from session to session?

 Also, I currently have some 200 state tiddlers, is there a clever way of 
 deleting these?

 Cheers,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Removing all state tiddlers

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

To delete a list of tiddlers that can be targeted with a filter -- try this:

span title=Enter Filter Expression$edit-text tiddler=$:/temp/filter 
field=filter//span

$list filter={{$:/temp/filter!!filter}}

$button message=tw-delete-tiddler param={{!!title}} class=btn-invisible 
btn-mini{{$:/core/images/delete-button}}/$button {{!!title}} 
/$list

To clean state tiddlers, use the filter expression: [prefix[$:/state]]

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:12:43 AM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Hello List,

 I am not sure, I want TiddlyWiki to remember the state of tabs and 
 Hradek's slider between sessions. Is there a clever way of making 
 TiddlyWiki forget states from session to session?

 Also, I currently have some 200 state tiddlers, is there a clever way of 
 deleting these?

 Cheers,
 Ulrik


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Removing all state tiddlers

2014-07-09 Thread Ulrik Stervbo
Thank you Matabele! I will give both a go.

Can you help me a bit along with using a field of of the currentTiddler to
store states?

Thanks
Ulrik


2014-07-09 12:10 GMT+02:00 Matabele matabele.b...@gmail.com:

 Hi

 To delete a list of tiddlers that can be targeted with a filter -- try
 this:

 span title=Enter Filter Expression$edit-text
 tiddler=$:/temp/filter field=filter//span

 $list filter={{$:/temp/filter!!filter}}

 $button message=tw-delete-tiddler param={{!!title}}
 class=btn-invisible btn-mini{{$:/core/images/delete-button}}/$button
 {{!!title}}
 /$list

 To clean state tiddlers, use the filter expression: [prefix[$:/state]]

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:12:43 AM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Hello List,

 I am not sure, I want TiddlyWiki to remember the state of tabs and
 Hradek's slider between sessions. Is there a clever way of making
 TiddlyWiki forget states from session to session?

 Also, I currently have some 200 state tiddlers, is there a clever way of
 deleting these?

 Cheers,
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele


 It appears that dd elements may be used on their own (at least in the
 text field of TW5.) It is, therefore, unnecessary to add the dl tags
 around dd elements.


Although dd elements work on their own, it is not valid HTML5 as I
understand it:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element

Best wishes

Jeremy.




 The dl tags are, however, required for dt elements.

 Is there no way of parsing the wikitext in such a way that dl tags are
 added only when a dt tag (;) is used?

 Thus:

 Some text
 :some text
 ::some text

 -- would give

 Some text
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd

 And:

 ;Term
 :some text
 ::some text

 -- would give

 dldtTerm/dt
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd/dl

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:52:12 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele

 In that case, there appears to be a bug -- because:

 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd


 The HTML generated by TW5 actually looks like this:

 dlddsome textdlddsome textdlddsome
 text/dd/dl/dd/dl/dd/dl

 The blank lines are coming from the default margin on the dl element.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



 -- doesn't generate spurious blank lines, whereas:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text

 -- does.

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele


 A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be
 possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the
 spurious line feed?


 TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The additional
 linespacing comes from the default CSS built into browsers; TiddlyWiki
 doesn't have any CSS affecting definition lists.

 I'd be happy to refine the CSS but in cases like this I'd prefer to
 follow the lead of an existing CSS framework.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy





 If I write:

 :indent
 ::double indent
 :::triple indent

  I get:

indent

double indent

 triple indent

 -- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

 This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text
 without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

 Some text
 :Line1
 :Line2

 Some more text
 :Line3
 :Line4

 and get this:

 Some text
Line1
Line2

 Some more text
Line3
Line4

 This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand
 Larsen wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Removing all state tiddlers

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

In place of a text reference to the title of a tiddler such as 
$:/state/mystate -- use a text reference to a field i.e. !!field-name. 
In this case a field in the currentTiddler will be targeted by default. 
Separate fields must be targeted for each slider, else they will open/close 
in sync.

It often pays to explicitly specify the title of the current tiddler in the 
text reference i.e. TiddlerTitle!!field-name -- this avoids possible 
conflicts in the case that the tiddler gets transcluded.

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 12:13:18 PM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Thank you Matabele! I will give both a go.

 Can you help me a bit along with using a field of of the currentTiddler to 
 store states?

 Thanks
 Ulrik


 2014-07-09 12:10 GMT+02:00 Matabele matabe...@gmail.com javascript::

 Hi

 To delete a list of tiddlers that can be targeted with a filter -- try 
 this:

 span title=Enter Filter Expression$edit-text 
 tiddler=$:/temp/filter field=filter//span

 $list filter={{$:/temp/filter!!filter}}

 $button message=tw-delete-tiddler param={{!!title}} 
 class=btn-invisible btn-mini{{$:/core/images/delete-button}}/$button 
 {{!!title}} 
 /$list

 To clean state tiddlers, use the filter expression: [prefix[$:/state]]

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:12:43 AM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Hello List,

 I am not sure, I want TiddlyWiki to remember the state of tabs and 
 Hradek's slider between sessions. Is there a clever way of making 
 TiddlyWiki forget states from session to session?

 Also, I currently have some 200 state tiddlers, is there a clever way of 
 deleting these?

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[tw] Hosted TiddlyWiki advice.

2014-07-09 Thread 9600
Hello,

I'd like to set up multi-user TiddlyWiki hosting on my own server and would 
appreciate some advice as to which route I should take. This will be mainly 
for organising my own stuff, but I'd also like the ability to create 
additional secure wiki instances for customers/projects. I quite fancy 
using TiddlyWiki 5, and beyond straightforward wikis there is the 
possibility that I might want to create simple apps, e.g. for managing 
small scale manufacturing, tracking inventory and tasks etc.

So, I'm not sure whether I should be setting up a Tank server, or perhaps 
simply a TiddlyWebWiki (had this set up previously and seemed to work 
well). I believe that the node.js app may not be well suited to multi-user 
use.

Cheers,

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How do I stop automatic link creation?

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele

I have no idea how Tomboy manages to parse text for all links to existing
 notes, but find this kind of linking to be a 'magic' feature of Tomboy,
 lacking in most other wiki software.


 But as I say, the problem for TW5 is that at the time of parsing a
 tiddler we don't know which tiddlers will exist at the time(s) that it is
 rendered.


 When are tiddlers parsed? If this is a matter of refreshing the browser,


Parsing is the first stage of the rendering pipeline that converts wikitext
into HTML:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWiki%20Architecture


 I don't see this as much of a problem. The only outstanding links will be
 for those tiddlers created after the tiddler in question.


TiddlyWiki wikitext is really an implementation of a tiddler algebra that
allows user interfaces to be dynamically rendered from state data stored in
tiddlers. Just like real math, the algebra has to behave consistently and
reliably in order for users to be able to learn how it works.


 The difficulty will be that the text field would have to parsed for
 strings matching all existing titles rather than only for CamelCase forms.


Yes, and the issue is that we want the link to reflect the status of the
target tiddler at render time, not parse time.


 Suppressing automatic linking of CamelCase forms for non-existent tiddlers
 would be simpler as this involves parsing only for CamelCase forms, then
 checking for valid links.


Automatic linking of CamelCase links to non-existent tiddlers is a core
part of the wiki way. The idea is to be able to write links to tiddlers
before you go back and fill in the references. The missing tiddlers tab
ends up being a todo list that is dynamically built from the tiddlers
that have been referenced but not filled in.

Best wishes

Jeremy.





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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy

1. A dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element
 element's end tag http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-end-tag may 
be omitted if the dt 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element 
is immediately followed by another dt 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element 
or a dd http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element
 element.
2. A dd http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element
 element's end tag http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-end-tag may 
be omitted if the dd 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element element 
is immediately followed by another dd 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element element 
or a dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element 
element, 
or if there is no more content in the parent element.

This should be valid syntax which might lead to simplified wikification 
scheme without the need for the trailing tags that result in spurious blank 
lines:

dl
 dt Authors
 dd John
 dd Luke
 dt Editor
 dd Frank
/dl

Unfortunately this doesn't render correctly in TW and I am unable, 
therefore, to experiment further.

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 12:39:41 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele
  

 It appears that dd elements may be used on their own (at least in the 
 text field of TW5.) It is, therefore, unnecessary to add the dl tags 
 around dd elements.


 Although dd elements work on their own, it is not valid HTML5 as I 
 understand it:

 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.

  


 The dl tags are, however, required for dt elements. 

 Is there no way of parsing the wikitext in such a way that dl tags are 
 added only when a dt tag (;) is used?

 Thus:

 Some text
 :some text
 ::some text

 -- would give

 Some text
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd

 And:

 ;Term
 :some text
 ::some text

 -- would give

 dldtTerm/dt
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd/dl

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:52:12 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele

 In that case, there appears to be a bug -- because:

 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd


 The HTML generated by TW5 actually looks like this:

 dlddsome textdlddsome textdlddsome 
 text/dd/dl/dd/dl/dd/dl

 The blank lines are coming from the default margin on the dl element.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.

  

 -- doesn't generate spurious blank lines, whereas:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text

 -- does.

 regards

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:59:10 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele


 A further thought with respect the perennial question -- would it be 
 possible to modify the colon markup (for definitions) to avoid the 
 spurious line feed?


 TiddlyWiki just spits out plain HTML DL/DD elements. The 
 additional linespacing comes from the default CSS built into browsers; 
 TiddlyWiki doesn't have any CSS affecting definition lists.

 I'd be happy to refine the CSS but in cases like this I'd prefer to 
 follow the lead of an existing CSS framework.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


  


 If I write:

 :indent
 ::double indent
 :::triple indent

  I get:

indent

double indent

 triple indent

 -- but it would be nice if this gave what I expected.

 This would also enable colons to be interspersed anywhere within text 
 without the spurious blank lines -- I could then write:

 Some text
 :Line1
 :Line2

 Some more text
 :Line3
 :Line4

 and get this:

 Some text
Line1
Line2

 Some more text
Line3
Line4

 This, I believe would take care of most use cases.

 regards

 On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:25:54 PM UTC+2, Thomas Guldstrand 
 Larsen wrote:

 Hi,

 Warning: newbie here...

 When editing a tiddler, I write e.g

 This is line one.
 This in line two.

 When saving the tiddler it becomes

 This is line one. This is line two.

 So I try:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 and it becomes:

 This is line one.

 This in line two.

 How to prevent that? I just want the formatting to be as I wrote it 
 originally...I don't want This is line two to be in a new paragraph.

 Is there any WYSIWYG editors for TW5?

 Thanks


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 13:47:16 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele:

 Hi Jeremy

 1. A dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element
  element's end tag http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-end-tag 
 may 
 be omitted if the dt 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element 
 is immediately followed by another dt 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element element 
 or a dd http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element
  element.
 2. A dd http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element
  element's end tag http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#syntax-end-tag 
 may 
 be omitted if the dd 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element element 
 is immediately followed by another dd 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element element 
 or a dt http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element 
 element, 
 or if there is no more content in the parent element.
 […] Unfortunately this doesn't render correctly in TW and I am unable, 
 therefore, to experiment further.

 It renders correctly if you set the tiddler's type to text/html.

So my assumption is that somehow the browser assumes we have XHTML where 
the closing tag is required. 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How do I stop automatic link creation?

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy

Please excuse my labouring the point, but I am trying to find the best way 
to address the issue raised by Stephen Kimmel in the previous post without 
interfering with the essential features of TW.

Automatic linking of CamelCase links to non-existent tiddlers is a core 
 part of the wiki way. The idea is to be able to write links to tiddlers 
 before you go back and fill in the references. The missing tiddlers tab 
 ends up being a todo list that is dynamically built from the tiddlers 
 that have been referenced but not filled in.


Links to 'missing tiddlers' are easily bracketed with double boxes for this 
purpose, which has the added advantage that non CamelCase titles may be 
used in this way. Linking to 'missing tiddlers' is certainly a core part of 
the wiki way, but automatic linking of CamelCase forms to 'missing 
tiddlers' appears to have a downside that outweighs the advantages.

Having to place brackets around CamelCase titles in the few instances when 
these tiddlers are non-existent at the time appears to be a small price to 
pay for avoiding the problems of automatic linking of all CamelCase forms.

The only downside of suppressing automatic linking of CamelCase to 'missing 
tiddlers' appears to be that a few CamelCase strings will not function as 
links until the browser is refreshed? This might present a theoretical 
travesty but in practice I don't think many users would find this much of a 
problem.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 2:28:06 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele, Stephan

 

 It's not the trailing tags that result in the spurious blank lines. It's 
 the browsers default CSS.


I'm still confused -- why then when I write:

dl
ddsome text/dd
some text/dd/dd
ddsome text/dd/dd/dd
/dl

-- is the output different to:

:some text
::some text
:::some text

In the second case, it appears to be extra trailing /dl tags that cause 
the spurious blank lines.

This is not the usage case that I encounter most often -- what I would like 
to write is:

Some text
:some text
:some text
:some text

Some text
:some text
:some text
:some text

-- and get this:

Some text
  some text
  some text
  some text

Some text
  some text
  some text
  some text

-- which works if I write:

dl
Some text
ddsome text/dd
ddsome text/dd
ddsome text/dd
/dl
dl
Some text
ddsome text/dd
ddsome text/dd
ddsome text/dd
/dl

Perhaps a better approach would be to introduce a completely different form 
unrelated to the syntax for definition blocks, perhaps making use of a 
leading 'minus' to indicate an indent:

Some text
- some text
- some text
-- some text

-- rendered as:

Some text
 some text
 some text
  some text

This might also be used in cases such as:

- THE first line of this paragraph is indented

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How do I stop automatic link creation?

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele

Please excuse my labouring the point, but I am trying to find the best way
 to address the issue raised by Stephen Kimmel in the previous post without
 interfering with the essential features of TW.


No worries, this is complex stuff, and good to get a chance to discuss it.

Automatic linking of CamelCase links to non-existent tiddlers is a core
 part of the wiki way. The idea is to be able to write links to tiddlers
 before you go back and fill in the references. The missing tiddlers tab
 ends up being a todo list that is dynamically built from the tiddlers
 that have been referenced but not filled in.


 Links to 'missing tiddlers' are easily bracketed with double boxes for
 this purpose, which has the added advantage that non CamelCase titles may
 be used in this way. Linking to 'missing tiddlers' is certainly a core part
 of the wiki way, but automatic linking of CamelCase forms to 'missing
 tiddlers' appears to have a downside that outweighs the advantages.

 Having to place brackets around CamelCase titles in the few instances when
 these tiddlers are non-existent at the time appears to be a small price to
 pay for avoiding the problems of automatic linking of all CamelCase forms.


The trouble is that that is not how CamelCase links normally work, and
makes the mechanism and rules governing it more complicated.

As I've said before I think the resolution to the problems raised here are
to disable camelcase links (which is already possible), and to be stricter
about which strings qualify as camelcase words. The basic problem as I see
it is that the camelcase rules are too broad, leading to unexpected links
appearing.


 The only downside of suppressing automatic linking of CamelCase to
 'missing tiddlers' appears to be that a few CamelCase strings will not
 function as links until the browser is refreshed? This might present a
 theoretical travesty but in practice I don't think many users would find
 this much of a problem.


I think you're conflating two subtly different issues:

* Suppressing automatic linking of CamelCase links to missing tiddlers can
be done by modifying the link widget without problems (it already has
conditional logic to disable a link based on the tw-wikilinks variable
setting; see http://tiddlywiki.com/#LinkWidget)
* The ability to recognising any existing tiddler title as a link,
regardless of whether it uses camel case or quotes. This is the thing
that's not possible with the current rendering pipeline - it is not a
theoretical matter: it is about how TiddlyWiki works

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele


 I'm still confused -- why then when I write:

 dl
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd
 /dl

 -- is the output different to:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text

 In the second case, it appears to be extra trailing /dl tags that cause
 the spurious blank lines.


The HTML generated for the wikitext you've given is actually:

dlddsome textdlddsome textdlddsome
text/dd/dl/dd/dl/dd/dl

I'd recommend using the browser inspect element menu item to inspect the
HTML that TiddlyWiki is generating.


 Perhaps a better approach would be to introduce a completely different
 form unrelated to the syntax for definition blocks, perhaps making use of a
 leading 'minus' to indicate an indent:


One issue is that the DL tag isn't designed for creating indents; HTML5
tries to map semantic meaning to tags. If you want an entirely visual
effect such as an indent, that has no semantic meaning, then it should be
done by styling a DIV tag.

http://css.dzone.com/news/rethinking-dl-dd-and-dt-html5

Best wishes

Jeremy



 Some text
 - some text
 - some text
 -- some text

 -- rendered as:

 Some text
  some text
  some text
   some text

 This might also be used in cases such as:

 - THE first line of this paragraph is indented

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How do I stop automatic link creation?

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:27:39 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:


 * Suppressing automatic linking of CamelCase links to missing tiddlers can 
 be done by modifying the link widget without problems (it already has 
 conditional logic to disable a link based on the tw-wikilinks variable 
 setting; see http://tiddlywiki.com/#LinkWidget


This is the approach I am suggesting. The downside I referred to appears to 
be that CamelCase strings without enclosing square brackets created before 
the linked tiddler is created will not function as links until the browser 
is refreshed and the wikitext is re-parsed (or am I still missing 
something?) 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How do I stop automatic link creation?

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston


 * Suppressing automatic linking of CamelCase links to missing tiddlers
 can be done by modifying the link widget without problems (it already has
 conditional logic to disable a link based on the tw-wikilinks variable
 setting; see http://tiddlywiki.com/#LinkWidget


 This is the approach I am suggesting.




 The downside I referred to appears to be that CamelCase strings without
 enclosing square brackets created before the linked tiddler is created will
 not function as links until the browser is refreshed and the wikitext is
 re-parsed (or am I still missing something?)


That's not correct. The issue about parsing vs. rendering relates to the
freelinking idea of automatically linking any existing tiddler title. The
bit about links not functioning until the browser is refreshed is not
something that I said, I don't know where that came from.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 15:11:55 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele:


 I'm still confused -- why then when I write:

 dl
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd
 /dl

 -- is the output different to:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text


Is it?

I just created a New Tiddler on tiddlywiki.com containing

hr/

:some text
::some text
:::some text

hr/

dl
ddsome text/dd
some text/dd/dd
ddsome text/dd/dd/dd
/dl

hr/


 And this is what I see:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--FAWq-oNnuw/U71Nx-6YMXI/AOk/JwseSixzg-Q/s1600/Bild+29.png


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

I get:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5LS2Y8jHXzE/U71TXRPYeAI/AcE/k_QsyNywS00/s1600/rendering.jpg.jpg
regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:13:16 PM UTC+2, Stephan Hradek wrote:



 Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 15:11:55 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele:


 I'm still confused -- why then when I write:

 dl
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd
 /dl

 -- is the output different to:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text


 Is it?



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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] How do I stop automatic link creation?

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:40:50 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

That's not correct. The issue about parsing vs. rendering relates to the 
 freelinking idea of automatically linking any existing tiddler title. The 
 bit about links not functioning until the browser is refreshed is not 
 something that I said, I don't know where that came from.


In that case -- what's the downside of this approach?

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[tw] [TW5] Best practice to keep content separated from system?

2014-07-09 Thread Mat
How can I set up a TW5 so that everything but the actual content is public? 

I believe this could be beneficial for many people, particularly newbies, 
because it would make it easy to ask technical questions by referring 
directly to the TW. What happened with my major TWC's is that they 
eventually got so complex and intricate that I couldn't separate out the 
coding bits that I needed help with without including personal information 
etc. (The latter is what I refer to as content).

So, what do you suggest?

Could a TW perhaps be setup in the cloud and, by using nodejs, store the 
content-tiddlers in a separate private folder and the rest in a public one? 
Or maybe TW5 on tiddlyspot? I see no default TW5 on Tiddlyspot though which 
means extra steps that can go wrong.

What should I consider? As far as I can see I'd need to add some kind of 
identifier to separate what I consider content and what is code. Or maybe 
there's some kind of qualitative difference between code and code? A plugin 
is always(?) tagged systemConfig. Maybe widgets have some specific 
characteristic too? Maybe some kind of censorship filter or encryption so 
that you could share it all but with the pure content not accessible? Yes, 
you can of course do this manually (eg tag specific tiddlers so they're 
encrypted) but I'm hoping there could be some automatic way - ?


The background to this issue is that TW5 is just really difficult for me. 
It has made me totally face my incompetence as a programmer again. I got to 
a point with Classic (after years!) where I can use it efficiently thanks 
to various setups (most notably fET and some templates) but with TW5 I'm 
fumbling in the dark once again... A TW5 setup that differentiates between 
structure/system and content would hopefully allow me - and others - to 
manipulate it and, particularly, ask questions in a smooth way.

Thank you

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Newbie: Line-break question

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
The examples render the same in Firefox and differently in Chrome. The
reason is as I stated above: the extra margin comes from the browsers built
in default CSS styles. These styles are often slightly different between
browsers; that's the purpose of the stylesheet normalise that we use (
http://necolas.github.io/normalize.css/). In this case, the normalise
stylesheet isn't in fact normalising definition list layout.

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Matabele matabele.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 I get:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5LS2Y8jHXzE/U71TXRPYeAI/AcE/k_QsyNywS00/s1600/rendering.jpg.jpg
 regards


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:13:16 PM UTC+2, Stephan Hradek wrote:



 Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 15:11:55 UTC+2 schrieb Matabele:


 I'm still confused -- why then when I write:

 dl
 ddsome text/dd
 some text/dd/dd
 ddsome text/dd/dd/dd
 /dl

 -- is the output different to:

 :some text
 ::some text
 :::some text


 Is it?




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[tw] Run tiddlywiki using node.js binary only

2014-07-09 Thread ET
Rather than installing node.js the normal way using the installer, is it 
possible to run tiddlywiki using just a copy of tiddlywiki and a single 
node.js binary? (which is offered as a download on nodejs.org)
This would make tiddlywiki even more convenient as it would only require 
two run tiddlywiki.

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Re: [tw] Run tiddlywiki using node.js binary only

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
TiddlyWiki should work OK with the single Node.js binary from nodejs.org.
Have you encountered issues?

Best wishes

Jeremy.



On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:40 PM, ET erict...@gmail.com wrote:

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 possible to run tiddlywiki using just a copy of tiddlywiki and a single
 node.js binary? (which is offered as a download on nodejs.org)
 This would make tiddlywiki even more convenient as it would only require
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[tw] Re: Run tiddlywiki using node.js binary only

2014-07-09 Thread ET
There weren't any notes posted regarding this method of using tiddlywiki, 
so I copied https://gist.github.com/rpflorence/701407 and ran node.js with 
it, plus a copy of tiddlywiki in the same folder. Upon making an edit and 
clicking download, it downloads the tiddlywiki rather than save it. Perhaps 
I'm doing it the wrong way?

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:40:44 AM UTC+12, ET wrote:

 Rather than installing node.js the normal way using the installer, is it 
 possible to run tiddlywiki using just a copy of tiddlywiki and a single 
 node.js binary? (which is offered as a download on nodejs.org)
 This would make tiddlywiki even more convenient as it would only require 
 two run tiddlywiki.


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Re: [tw] Re: Run tiddlywiki using node.js binary only

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Eric

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:50 PM, ET erict...@gmail.com wrote:

 There weren't any notes posted regarding this method of using tiddlywiki,
 so I copied https://gist.github.com/rpflorence/701407 and ran node.js
 with it, plus a copy of tiddlywiki in the same folder. Upon making an edit
 and clicking download, it downloads the tiddlywiki rather than save it.
 Perhaps I'm doing it the wrong way?


I'm afraid all you were doing there was serving a TiddlyWiki HTML file from
a static server. The web server code you pointed to doesn't know how to
handle attempts to write changes back by TiddlyWiki.

Try instead:

node.exe /path/to/tiddlywiki.js /path/to/newwiki --init server
node.exe /path/to/tiddlywiki.js /path/to/newwiki --server

Then visit http://127.0.0.1:8080 in a browser on your machine,

Best wishes

Jeremy.





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 Rather than installing node.js the normal way using the installer, is it
 possible to run tiddlywiki using just a copy of tiddlywiki and a single
 node.js binary? (which is offered as a download on nodejs.org)
 This would make tiddlywiki even more convenient as it would only require
 two run tiddlywiki.

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Re: [tw] Re: Run tiddlywiki using node.js binary only

2014-07-09 Thread ET
Oh I see, this requires a copy of 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/archive/v5.0.13-beta.zip which I 
have downloaded and tried, works as expected.

Cheers


On Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:03:44 AM UTC+12, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Eric

 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:50 PM, ET eric...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 There weren't any notes posted regarding this method of using tiddlywiki, 
 so I copied https://gist.github.com/rpflorence/701407 and ran node.js 
 with it, plus a copy of tiddlywiki in the same folder. Upon making an edit 
 and clicking download, it downloads the tiddlywiki rather than save it. 
 Perhaps I'm doing it the wrong way?


 I'm afraid all you were doing there was serving a TiddlyWiki HTML file 
 from a static server. The web server code you pointed to doesn't know how 
 to handle attempts to write changes back by TiddlyWiki.

 Try instead:

 node.exe /path/to/tiddlywiki.js /path/to/newwiki --init server
 node.exe /path/to/tiddlywiki.js /path/to/newwiki --server

 Then visit http://127.0.0.1:8080 in a browser on your machine,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.

  



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[tw] [TW5] How do I create a theme?

2014-07-09 Thread Mat
Not 100% sure a theme is the correct word, but I want a setup that I can 
apply to any new TW5 I create. It should include a pagetemplate with that 
has both the regular right sidebar but also a left side and where the 
display of both can be controlled individually (ie both shown at same time, 
or none, or either). Ideally also with some kind of slider top bar, i.e a 
frame (or whatever it should be called) that is invisible until some button 
is clicked to display it.

Additionally I'll want a lot of additional toolbar commands in both 
viewtemplate and edittemplate.

I'm thinking the best would be a separate theme tiddler containing all 
theme specifics. Also, it should (obviously?) not interfer with the 
upgrading procedure.

Thank you!

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[tw] [TW5] Adjusting !!! Wiki Text

2014-07-09 Thread Jonathan Emmert
Wondering if it is possible to change the default font choices (size, 
spacing, style etc) when using ! in wiki text?  If so where would I go to 
do that?  I don't have much coding experience.

Jonathan

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Re: [tw] [TW5] - relativedate

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Michael

Apologies for the late reply.

I just wondered whether it is already possible to customise the
 'relativedate' format of the view widget: Two things would be great:

 1) To be able to modify the timezone offset (as in the date format)
 2) to be able to change the outputs (e.g. 'tomorrow' instead of 'in 17
 hours')

 Is that already possible? I am no programmer and do all of my
 customisation of TW by tweaking, breaking and fixing existing examples.


I'm afraid that neither of those things is possible at the moment without
hacking some JavaScript.

Best wishes

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Re: [tw] Zoomin Hidden Menu Problem?

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Stephen

Apologies for the late reply.

I can confirm the problem with the right margin of tiddlers in zoomin mode
with the sidebar hidden. I'm planning to address it for 5.0.14,

Best wishes

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On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM, 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki 
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 This is not a major issue but I can't help the thought that it wasn't what
 was intended. Perhaps this comment is best thought of as a suggestion for
 doing things slightly differently.

 Working with 5.13, with the story view set to Zoomin, I find that the hide
 the right menu button (the right pointing chevron in the upper right hand
 corner) doesn't work as I expected. Instead of simply making the menu
 vanish, it causes the visible tiddler to expand until part of the tiddler
 is off the screen to the right. The edge of the text falls almost exactly
 at the right edge of the screen. At the same time, the left margin is
 preserved as it was before the menu was hidden. What I expected was the
 tiddler to either fill the screen with no left margin or to have the same
 margin on both the right and the left.

 It looks to me as though the program has tried to calculate the required
 size to make the width of the tiddler exactly match the width of the
 screen. When sent to the screen with the fixed left margin, the resulting
 tiddler ran over the display by the width of the left margin.

 Perhaps the width of the tiddler in Zoomin story view with the menu hidden
 shouldn't be calculated without accounting for the margin but as equaling
 the width of the screen less twice the standard left margin.

 Just a suggestion

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #53 is tomorrow, Tuesday 8th July at 4pm BST

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Jeremy

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:32:02 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:


 I tried creating a tiddler with the following content on 
 wills.tiddlyspot.com but found that the dropdown was still clipped:

 $scrollable

 {{done||$:/_tagpill-template}}

 /$scrollable


No, won't work this way -- after trying many other approaches, I modified 
the code in the tagpill template and included a scrollable div around the 
list items. Tried the scrollable widget without success. The tag pills on 
the gTiD tab use this modified template for the pills -- the tagpills in 
the main story use the standard tagpill template.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Adjusting !!! Wiki Text

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

For custom styles -- create a tiddler with content something like this:

/*TEXT STYLES*/
.myTitle {
text-shadow:silver 2px 2px 6px;
font-size:14pt;
}

-- additional styles may be added.

Then tag the tiddler with: $:/tags/stylesheet

-- and use a style with a title like this:

!.myTitle Text of Title

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:28:02 PM UTC+2, Jonathan Emmert wrote:

 Wondering if it is possible to change the default font choices (size, 
 spacing, style etc) when using ! in wiki text?  If so where would I go to 
 do that?  I don't have much coding experience.

 Jonathan


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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #53 is tomorrow, Tuesday 8th July at 4pm BST

2014-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Matabele



 No, won't work this way -- after trying many other approaches, I modified
 the code in the tagpill template and included a scrollable div around the
 list items. Tried the scrollable widget without success. The tag pills on
 the gTiD tab use this modified template for the pills -- the tagpills in
 the main story use the standard tagpill template.


The problem as originally reported was with the dropdown being clipped if a
tagpill is within a div with overflow:scroll or overflow:hidden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amoSCysVyY4#t=1947

All that the $scrollable widget in my example is doing is being a
shorthand for creating a DIV with overflow:scroll.

Best wishes

Jeremy




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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #53 is tomorrow, Tuesday 8th July at 4pm BST

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

Another idea with respect the proliferation of system tags. Many of these 
relate to inserting tiddlers as sections or tabs in the layout -- all of 
these could be replaced with the use of a single 'layout' field. The value 
of this field could then determine the position of a tiddler in the layout 
using a filter expression such as [field:layout[ViewTemplate]] rather than 
[tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]] for example.

This might be clearer to users than the current system. A Layout section in 
tiddlywiki.com could illustrate the various options for the value of this 
tag -- for example a select widget populated with valid options for the 
value could be tied to the 'layout' field of a 'test-layout' tiddler whose 
content is a a black and yellow chevron (screenshots could also be 
provided.)

In the interim -- filter expressions could AND together both tag and 
'layout' field options -- new and obscure layout features offering only the 
'layout' field option.

regards 

On Monday, July 7, 2014 1:46:28 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 TiddlyWiki Hangout #53 will be tomorrow, Tuesday 8th July at 4pm BST:

 https://plus.google.com/events/cb9dr8725aaajqhoha9nljekslg

 If you've any questions or topics for discussion, please reply here, or 
 use the QA button on the video preview at the page above.

 Best wishes

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #53 is tomorrow, Tuesday 8th July at 4pm BST

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi

The method that seems to work is to change the styling of the class 
tw-drop-down used in '$:/core/ui/TagTemplate' to include a scroll 
overflow -- not to apply a scrollable div around the whole tagpill 
template. The results for all of the other options I tried were horrible.

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:50:58 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Matabele



 No, won't work this way -- after trying many other approaches, I modified 
 the code in the tagpill template and included a scrollable div around the 
 list items. Tried the scrollable widget without success. The tag pills on 
 the gTiD tab use this modified template for the pills -- the tagpills in 
 the main story use the standard tagpill template.


 The problem as originally reported was with the dropdown being clipped if 
 a tagpill is within a div with overflow:scroll or overflow:hidden:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amoSCysVyY4#t=1947

 All that the $scrollable widget in my example is doing is being a 
 shorthand for creating a DIV with overflow:scroll.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

  


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Create and set values of fields in multiple tiddlers at once?

2014-07-09 Thread Matthew Petty
That works really well! That's really opened up some possibilities.
Thank you Matabele!


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wrote:

 Good to know.
 Thanks Matabele!

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Adjusting !!! Wiki Text

2014-07-09 Thread Eric Shulman
On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:28:02 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Emmert wrote:

 Wondering if it is possible to change the default font choices (size, 
 spacing, style etc) when using ! in wiki text?  If so where would I go to 
 do that?  I don't have much coding experience.


The TW heading syntax uses between 1 and 6 ! to generate different levels 
of heading (Hn) DOM elements.  You can customized the default font size for 
thse elements by using CSS like this:

H1 { font-size:250%; }
H2 { font-size:200%; }
H3 { font-size:150%; }
H4 { font-size:100%; }
H5 { font-size:80%; }
H6 { font-size:50%; }

In TiddlyWiki Classic, you can place the above CSS into the specially-named 
tiddler, [[StyleSheet]].
In TiddlyWiki 5, just place the desired CSS into any tiddler, and then tag 
it with $:/tags/stylesheet.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How do I create a theme?

2014-07-09 Thread Mat
Oh, I should add; for the node.js version... if that affects it.
Thank you again.
:-)

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:16:16 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:

 Not 100% sure a theme is the correct word, but I want a setup that I can 
 apply to any new TW5 I create. It should include a pagetemplate with that 
 has both the regular right sidebar but also a left side and where the 
 display of both can be controlled individually (ie both shown at same time, 
 or none, or either). Ideally also with some kind of slider top bar, i.e a 
 frame (or whatever it should be called) that is invisible until some button 
 is clicked to display it.

 Additionally I'll want a lot of additional toolbar commands in both 
 viewtemplate and edittemplate.

 I'm thinking the best would be a separate theme tiddler containing all 
 theme specifics. Also, it should (obviously?) not interfer with the 
 upgrading procedure.

 Thank you!

 :-)


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[tw] [TW5] Access included images in CSS

2014-07-09 Thread CB
I am trying to modify the bullet for some ul tags to an included image. I 
have dragged and dropped an image which is now in a tiddler called 
'Green_check.png'. I can include it in a regular tiddler as $transclude 
tiddler=Green_check.png/ or {{Green_check.png}}. Now, I want to define a 
CSS class to change the bullet to something as shown below. (The CSS 
tiddler is tagged as $:/tags/stylesheet). However, it does not work as 
expected. 

li.Done {
list-style-image:url($transclude tiddler=black_check.png/);
}



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[tw] Re: [TW5] How do I create a theme?

2014-07-09 Thread Matabele
Hi Mat

Much of what you need may be found in Ton's guides: 
http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/

regards

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 6:16:16 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:

 Not 100% sure a theme is the correct word, but I want a setup that I can 
 apply to any new TW5 I create. It should include a pagetemplate with that 
 has both the regular right sidebar but also a left side and where the 
 display of both can be controlled individually (ie both shown at same time, 
 or none, or either). Ideally also with some kind of slider top bar, i.e a 
 frame (or whatever it should be called) that is invisible until some button 
 is clicked to display it.

 Additionally I'll want a lot of additional toolbar commands in both 
 viewtemplate and edittemplate.

 I'm thinking the best would be a separate theme tiddler containing all 
 theme specifics. Also, it should (obviously?) not interfer with the 
 upgrading procedure.

 Thank you!

 :-)


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[tw] Re: How to reduce font size of tiddler title

2014-07-09 Thread Richard Smith
Is there a way to add styling to the title of just one tiddler? 
Specifically, I want to change the font of the title on just one tiddler.

Regards,
Richard

On Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:36:28 AM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote:

 Hi Sid T,

 Enter your styles in a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/stylesheet and there 
 you are.

 Cheers,

 Ton


 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:59:26 PM UTC+2, Sid T wrote:

 Hi,
 I am using the newer TiddlyWiki5 (TW5) and it baffled me how to change 
 font size since there is no StyleSheet shadow in TW5. 
 To modify title of a tiddler one needs to modify current theme (SnowWhite 
 in my case). Open theme's tiddler by going to sidebar  More  Shadow  
 $:/themes/tiddlywiki/snowwhite/base 
 #ef065a0e-aa86-4577-930a-dd8f769db2f8@googlegroups.com_dc7cf52b-b34e-440f-aba8-cfb5224133a2@googlegroups.com_%24%3A%2Fthemes%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fsnowwhite%2Fbase
 Click edit icon/label to edit the tiddler and insert following into the 
 theme:

 .title {font-size: 85%}

 Save tiddler and re-load.

 Is there another way to make stylistic changes to tiddlers in TW5?



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[tw] Re: [TWC TW5] Embedding .flv and .mp4 video files

2014-07-09 Thread khumalo . sk
Thank you Janathan

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:30:08 PM UTC+2, khuma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a way to embed .flv and .mp4 files? I want to open these files 
 from my local computer via my tiddlywiki. 
 I have tried the *http://www.tiddlytools.com/#PlayerPlugin* 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiddlytools.com%2F%23PlayerPluginsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNH0uMb-kvbq9N9boQC_8ENempkpjw
   
 it doesn’t seem to work. 
 at the end I want to have these play from my flash drive, the layout would 
 be the same as that of youtube.


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