Re: [tw] Presenting: StretchText - an alternative to links or popups

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Mr Von Twaddle,

Stretch test is new to me too. Over the years if tried to write text with
links which reads well, I never got there. Stretchtext is one of those
things which exist in the world, like a song which seems so simple and
obvious you believe that you would have written it if only Paul MaCartney
hadn't got there first.

And thanks Jeremy, who would have known that Ted Nelson had the idea nearly
50 years ago?

An idea.. Here is the text from the TiddlyWiki:


StretchText is an old hypertext concept. It enables for the author to write
text that turn to different *readers with varying* *levels* of interest or
knowledge.


Instinctively id like the StretchText tiddler to have  a field containing
one of more Stretchtexts. Rather than the author adding the stretches
inline, they are stored in an appropriate tiddler. It paves the way for
transclusion-centric authoring.

All this brings Steve SUNY and {{DesignWrite}} to mind. Thinking in
StretchText could be something to add to thinking hypertextually.  And what
other Ted Nlson concepts are out there?


Best wishes

Alex

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016, Mat  wrote:

> StretchText  - a long time fantasy of
> mine... that I was informed was old hat (heh!)
>
>
>- It enables writing text that turn to readers with varying levels of
>knowledge or interest and...
>- provides a more *subtle* alternative to hyperlinking than regular
>links or popups.
>
>
> Unfortunately I don't have the skills to straighten out some issues in it
> so it's only a Beta and I'd appreciate any advice.
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: Presenting: StretchText - an alternative to links or popups

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Thanks Mat,

You inspired me to search again for something I had previously found and 
then lost, because it was very hard to google for - the term I was lacking 
was "telescopic text", check this out -

http://www.telescopictext.com/
http://www.telescopictext.org/

This Medium article links to some examples of it in use.

https://medium.com/@thisisdare/a-short-history-of-telescopic-text-67b7128e31bb

Cool, huh?

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The start of an encyclopedia edition

[iain]

Jed, this looks really promising not only as an encyclopedia but as a 
dictionary or similar reference work. I started a dictionary of maritime 
terms a few months ago in TW Classic but this looks more useful.

Do you need a search tiddler to make it easier or more obvious how to.

Do you have instructions on how to customize the entry template?

Cheers

Iain


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[tw] Re: [TW5] TWederation edition progress

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Okay, thanks for that Jed. I still don't seem to have a *$:/twCard* tiddler 
yet in my wiki, and following the next steps to get the bundle of  All Wiki 
twCards  doesn't seem to work yet either.

Hegart.


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>
> It did everything it was supposed to do, it just doesn't do it visibly. I 
> will have to add some visible indication. You are listed in the google 
> sheet and now and on the twederation.tiddlyspot.com
> Although it looks like there was something wrong with the name because you 
> are named 'undefined'. I will look into it tomorrow.
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Pass a formatted Tiddler to GMAIL? Possible?

[Alex Hough]

I cut and paste into Gmail from the preview window ro tiddler in view
template

In the latter method, when I set "links as titles" in tw, and I copy and
paste into gmail, the tile links can then open a TiddlyWiki permalink... I
discovered it by  accident, I took some notes at a meeting and sent them
via gmail as minutes.

It offers to me that if the recipients had an identical file structure, and
the TiddlyWiki was run from node with tiddlers I a Dropbox then the
recipient would be able to click on the link and view the message in the
context of the wiki.

 I like the idea of hypertext minutes and the "meeting of two people" being
the next step in the evolution of TiddlyWiki for personal non linear note
taking  non linear notes for sharing. I like the idea of gmail and
TiddlyWiki  shared between two people, the back and forth ping pong
communication has merits; Web 2.0 offered improvements, but ther simplicity
of back and forth comm u cation has its merits.

Alex

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016,  wrote:

> Mark S.
>
> Thanks for the tips.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 18:40:18 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> In Firefox, to access the HTML version of your code, select your text and
>> then right click and select  View Selection Source. In the window that pops
>> up, your HTML text is already selected. Copy that.
>>
>> Now how to send it from Gmail? This is a problem with Gmail, not TW. But
>> someone has worked out a neat solution using Google Docs/Drive. Read it
>> about it here:
>>
>> http://www.labnol.org/internet/send-html-email/19672/
>>
>> Once you have installed the spreadsheet  in Google Drive  you will be
>> able to open a form that lets you paste in your HTML code and send it.
>>
>> Not a one-click solution, but better than doing all that formatting by
>> hand.
>>
>> Another solution, if you have a desktop client like Thunderbird hooked
>> into your Gmail, is to just send from that client. Thunderbird has an
>> option to insert html.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:55:49 AM UTC-7, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>>
>>> use case: I use TW5 to maintain data for a regular GMAIL mailing of
>>> items I select.
>>>
>>> currently: I have to copy and paste to GMAIL & then redo the styling
>>> manually. This is cumbersome.
>>>
>>> wanted: Ability to (1) Click a button on a tiddler to PASS its text to
>>> GMAIL. (2) Pass also the STYLING of the tiddler.
>>>
>>> QUESTION: has anyone made steps in this direction?
>>>
>>> comment: IF the networking possibilities of TW5 were stronger & more
>>> upfront I am sure it would get more widely known.
>>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] TWederation edition progress

[Jed Carty]

It did everything it was supposed to do, it just doesn't do it visibly. I 
will have to add some visible indication. You are listed in the google 
sheet and now and on the twederation.tiddlyspot.com
Although it looks like there was something wrong with the name because you 
are named 'undefined'. I will look into it tomorrow.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TWederation edition progress

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Hi Jed,

I've finally gotten around to having a go with the Tiddlyverse. My test 
wiki is called Twederation Test Hegart Dmishiv 
.
 
I've filled in the form, but clicking on the "Create twCard" button doesn't 
seem to do anything, so I can't go any further.

Hegart.


On Thursday, 26 May 2016 08:28:48 UTC+12, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> At the moment everything is ready but automation and documentation. If you 
> want to poke it and see what happens I have the most recent version here 
> .
>
> To make up for the near complete lack of documentation, here is a quick 
> run down of how it works:
>
> Make a copy of the wiki wherever you want your TWederation wiki to be (or 
> just put a wiki there and import the plugins, all 4 of the plugins that 
> start with $:/plugins/inmysocks/TWederation-)
>
> Fill out the form that appears as the default tiddler 
> ($:/plugins/inmysocks/TWederation/Initial Configuration/Create twCards) and 
> click on 'Create twCard' at the bottom. Then go to to the Communication (in 
> the table of contents tab on the right)
>
> In that tiddler, go to the Fetch Communication tab, next to What to Fetch 
> select All Wiki twCards and next to Select Wiki select TWederation, ignore 
> the other things and click on 'Request Bundle'
>
> In a moment there should be a link under the Request Bundle button, open 
> that tiddler. In that tiddler click on Unpack All
>
> Then in the Communications tiddler change What to Fetch to All Identity 
> twCards and click on Request Bundle again, a new link will appear in a 
> moment (so now there are two of them), click on the new one and click on 
> Unpack All in the tiddler that opens.
>
> You now have what you need to leave or fetch messages from whoever else 
> has been listed. It may just be me.
>
> Then in the fetch communication tab you can switch to blog posts, messages 
> or whatever you want to try fetching. Under the other tabs you can view 
> messages or posts or make posts and leave messages for other people.
>
> Note I said 'leave' not 'send', this is a distributed system, not a 
> client-server architecture. So you need to fetch messages or posts from 
> people and they need to fetch them from you. In the future that will be 
> automated so there will just be a 'check message' button that will get them 
> for you.
>
> You can fetch the twCards from TWederation again later to check if other 
> people have been added. Right now without the automation it is all a bit 
> tedious, but it works.
>
> Some other notes:
>
> When you make the twCard at first it also sends an xmlhttprequests that 
> submits some information in a google sheet so that I can then retrieve that 
> data and make the twCards from it. So I have made a widget to submit google 
> forms and one to retrieve data from a google sheet. Unfortunately they 
> aren't very flexible at the moment so if you want to do something else with 
> them you will have to play with the code a bit.
>

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[tw] Presenting: StretchText - an alternative to links or popups

[Mat]

StretchText  - a long time fantasy of 
mine... that I was informed was old hat (heh!)


   - It enables writing text that turn to readers with varying levels of 
   knowledge or interest and...
   - provides a more *subtle* alternative to hyperlinking than regular 
   links or popups.
   

Unfortunately I don't have the skills to straighten out some issues in it 
so it's only a Beta and I'd appreciate any advice.

<:-)

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[tw] [TW5] TWederation edition progress

[Jed Carty]

At the moment everything is ready but automation and documentation. If you 
want to poke it and see what happens I have the most recent version here 
.

To make up for the near complete lack of documentation, here is a quick run 
down of how it works:

Make a copy of the wiki wherever you want your TWederation wiki to be (or 
just put a wiki there and import the plugins, all 4 of the plugins that 
start with $:/plugins/inmysocks/TWederation-)

Fill out the form that appears as the default tiddler 
($:/plugins/inmysocks/TWederation/Initial Configuration/Create twCards) and 
click on 'Create twCard' at the bottom. Then go to to the Communication (in 
the table of contents tab on the right)

In that tiddler, go to the Fetch Communication tab, next to What to Fetch 
select All Wiki twCards and next to Select Wiki select TWederation, ignore 
the other things and click on 'Request Bundle'

In a moment there should be a link under the Request Bundle button, open 
that tiddler. In that tiddler click on Unpack All

Then in the Communications tiddler change What to Fetch to All Identity 
twCards and click on Request Bundle again, a new link will appear in a 
moment (so now there are two of them), click on the new one and click on 
Unpack All in the tiddler that opens.

You now have what you need to leave or fetch messages from whoever else has 
been listed. It may just be me.

Then in the fetch communication tab you can switch to blog posts, messages 
or whatever you want to try fetching. Under the other tabs you can view 
messages or posts or make posts and leave messages for other people.

Note I said 'leave' not 'send', this is a distributed system, not a 
client-server architecture. So you need to fetch messages or posts from 
people and they need to fetch them from you. In the future that will be 
automated so there will just be a 'check message' button that will get them 
for you.

You can fetch the twCards from TWederation again later to check if other 
people have been added. Right now without the automation it is all a bit 
tedious, but it works.

Some other notes:

When you make the twCard at first it also sends an xmlhttprequests that 
submits some information in a google sheet so that I can then retrieve that 
data and make the twCards from it. So I have made a widget to submit google 
forms and one to retrieve data from a google sheet. Unfortunately they 
aren't very flexible at the moment so if you want to do something else with 
them you will have to play with the code a bit.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Pass a formatted Tiddler to GMAIL? Possible?

[progetti]

Mark S.

Thanks for the tips.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 18:40:18 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> In Firefox, to access the HTML version of your code, select your text and 
> then right click and select  View Selection Source. In the window that pops 
> up, your HTML text is already selected. Copy that.
>
> Now how to send it from Gmail? This is a problem with Gmail, not TW. But 
> someone has worked out a neat solution using Google Docs/Drive. Read it 
> about it here:
>
> http://www.labnol.org/internet/send-html-email/19672/
>
> Once you have installed the spreadsheet  in Google Drive  you will be able 
> to open a form that lets you paste in your HTML code and send it.
>
> Not a one-click solution, but better than doing all that formatting by 
> hand.
>
> Another solution, if you have a desktop client like Thunderbird hooked 
> into your Gmail, is to just send from that client. Thunderbird has an 
> option to insert html.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:55:49 AM UTC-7, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>
>> use case: I use TW5 to maintain data for a regular GMAIL mailing of items 
>> I select. 
>>
>> currently: I have to copy and paste to GMAIL & then redo the styling 
>> manually. This is cumbersome.
>>
>> wanted: Ability to (1) Click a button on a tiddler to PASS its text to 
>> GMAIL. (2) Pass also the STYLING of the tiddler.
>>
>> QUESTION: has anyone made steps in this direction?
>>
>> comment: IF the networking possibilities of TW5 were stronger & more 
>> upfront I am sure it would get more widely known.
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Update Material Design for latest TW5

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Hans,

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC+2, Hans Maulwurf wrote:
>
> Could someone update this theme https://github.com/bcse/tw5-material-theme 
> ? It's sadly not working with the latest 5.1.11
>

The 'Material Design' theme is based on TW 5.1.4
For TW v5.1.5 changes have been made to the title part of the ViewTemplate, 
see 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/769842c4db0e2044a7d7b391c000a256ef22700b

You can check this is the case by replacing (overwriting) 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title of a TW v5.1.11 with the 'Material Design' 
theme with $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title of TW 5.1.4.

That said, I am not capable to 'repair' it with CSS but may be others can.

Cheers,

Ton

 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The start of an encyclopedia edition

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks Jed,

I'm trying to understand now *why* that works. The syntax doesn't make 
sense to me. To me, it seems like it should just return "Root" if the term 
"Root" happened to be in the field "useful_parts".

Thanks,
Mark




On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 12:47:23 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> You use the listed operator like this:
>
> <$list filter='[[Root]listed[useful_parts]]'>
>
> 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Pass a formatted Tiddler to GMAIL? Possible?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

In Firefox, to access the HTML version of your code, select your text and 
then right click and select  View Selection Source. In the window that pops 
up, your HTML text is already selected. Copy that.

Now how to send it from Gmail? This is a problem with Gmail, not TW. But 
someone has worked out a neat solution using Google Docs/Drive. Read it 
about it here:

http://www.labnol.org/internet/send-html-email/19672/

Once you have installed the spreadsheet  in Google Drive  you will be able 
to open a form that lets you paste in your HTML code and send it.

Not a one-click solution, but better than doing all that formatting by hand.

Another solution, if you have a desktop client like Thunderbird hooked into 
your Gmail, is to just send from that client. Thunderbird has an option to 
insert html.

Good luck,
Mark
 



On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:55:49 AM UTC-7, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> use case: I use TW5 to maintain data for a regular GMAIL mailing of items 
> I select. 
>
> currently: I have to copy and paste to GMAIL & then redo the styling 
> manually. This is cumbersome.
>
> wanted: Ability to (1) Click a button on a tiddler to PASS its text to 
> GMAIL. (2) Pass also the STYLING of the tiddler.
>
> QUESTION: has anyone made steps in this direction?
>
> comment: IF the networking possibilities of TW5 were stronger & more 
> upfront I am sure it would get more widely known.
>
>

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Re: [tw] Update Material Design for latest TW5

['Birthe C' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Hans Maulwurf,

Why do you like this theme so much? Did you try it in the original TW5 
version? I think it had a few problems.

I did try to upgrade, but I do not know how to address this problem.





Birthe


Den tirsdag den 24. maj 2016 kl. 22.27.00 UTC+2 skrev Hans Maulwurf:
>
>
> @Jeremy: yeah, would be great to have this in the core.
>
> @Sylvain: thanks for your help :)
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Another way to make multiple tag-like fields

[Jed Carty]

If you want to see the plugin in action I am adding topics as a secondary 
tag field on the wiki reference wiki 
.

This made me realize that someone should update the toc macros so they can 
be set to use a field other than just tags.

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[tw] Re: Initiation V. Interaction -- thoughts on networking & TW5

[progetti]

Jed

CENTRAL in the sense that TW without native email & network posting of some 
kind (i mean AUTHORING, not interaction) in the modern situation becomes 
more limited than it was before these grew to be so prominent. Its a 
comparative measure to other stuff around, not a judgement on its utility 
per se.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 14:30:26 UTC+2, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> Jed
>
> Good. i am not a programmer but I am a good finder-outer. I will research 
> & report back, even if I fail.
>
> Josiah 
>
> On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 14:12:51 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by more central in this context.
>>
>> 1) How do you mean? You can copy and paste, but if you want something 
>> like a button that says 'Email this' and when you click it it opens a draft 
>> in gmail with the tiddler contents that it isn't just a tiddlywiki thing. 
>> It is a google thing. Google must provide a mechanism for importing 
>> information from an outside source, then tiddlywiki could use that 
>> mechanism. Unless someone were to find a way to hack into googles servers 
>> and modify their code for gmail there isn't anything anyone other than 
>> google can do about this.
>> 2) Send me a link to information about it, if it is as simple as what 
>> twitter made I can probably have something working in the next few days. (I 
>> also haven't forgotten about your request about the twitter plugin, it is 
>> on my list of things to do.)
>>
>> I am not disagreeing with you, I do want to make things that let people 
>> post to social networks, but the social networks need to allow it. It isn't 
>> a matter of no client server architecture, it is a completely separate 
>> philosophy used by tiddlywiki and the networks we want to post to. Facebook 
>> lets you do what facebook wants you to do and the only way to get the 
>> ability to do more is to convince facebook to add it.
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: change font for tiddlers under a certain tag (journal)

[Shay Shaked]

Hi Progetti (and others),

this is a CSS question. Wondering if you can help.

I have this code:

.tc-tagged-201605 p{
font-family: "Bookman Old Style";
font-size: 115%;
}

.tc-tagged-201605 li {
font-family: "Bookman Old Style";
 font-size: 115%;

How can I write it in one line, so I can define BOTH p and li without
specifying the tag class each time? I just don't know the syntax for the
code. is it p,li? p, li? {p li}? I tried to look it up but i don't know
what these terms are called for an effective Google search. Thank you!

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:33 PM Shay Shaked  wrote:

> That did it! .tc-titlebar is the right... class? I thought it's a div.
> Either way, it works. Thank you!
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> its an H2, by the way.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 May 2016 22:14:32 UTC+2, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>>
>>> Does ".tc-tagged-CHOSENTAG .tc-titlebar {CSS code}" get it?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 19 May 2016 21:33:36 UTC+2, Shay Shaked wrote:

 This is most excellent! I can now have a different font for anything
 "journal." I'd like now to change it so that my headings and title are also
 part of the change, but not the tags inside or the time stamp. This means I
 had to include my CSS porperties within "p{}" and I went ahead and did the
 same for h1... however, what is the title? I tried "title"
 or tc-tiddler-title, but it doesn't seem to work. Suggestions? and thanks
 Progetti!

 On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:35 PM  wrote:

> Footnotes:
>
> I was assuming  you use TW5.
>
> In case its not clear the stylesheet tiddler you create needs to be
> tagged "$:/tags/Stylesheet"
>
>
> On Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:17:32 UTC+2, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately its easy if you use one tag for all, like "journal". Here
>> is the documentation: http://tinyurl.com/j7rq6ex. AND you can get
>> more sophisticated if needed with overrides possible so long as you get 
>> the
>> CSS cascade order right, i.e. start a style for a tag common to all your
>> entries you want to re-style, then override that style for more specific
>> tags.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 May 2016 19:15:29 UTC+2, Shay Shaked wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello people!
>>>
>>> Today's question is, how can I change the font of my journal
>>> entries.
>>>
>>> I write my journal entries in reverse date order, so I have mm
>>> tag for each month. Each month I go to the last month tag, which also 
>>> has a
>>> table of contents of all of my tiddlers and sometimes goals, and make a
>>> clone of it. I then change that tiddler title to reflect the new month, 
>>> and
>>> tweak the TOC settings to display the right tiddlers. For organization
>>> sake, I am going to move all these tags under a general "journal" tag 
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> What I want is that whenever I tag a tiddler with one of my mm
>>> tags, it will automatically change font. I know how to change fonts in 
>>> the
>>> main settings, but that changes the font for *everything*, which I
>>> don't want. Any suggestions? I don't mind including a piece of code into
>>> each of my monthly tags I mentioned above, if that helps.
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw] Re: Initiation V. Interaction -- thoughts on networking & TW5

[progetti]

Jed

Good. i am not a programmer but I am a good finder-outer. I will research & 
report back, even if I fail.

Josiah 

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 14:12:51 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I am not sure what you mean by more central in this context.
>
> 1) How do you mean? You can copy and paste, but if you want something like 
> a button that says 'Email this' and when you click it it opens a draft in 
> gmail with the tiddler contents that it isn't just a tiddlywiki thing. It 
> is a google thing. Google must provide a mechanism for importing 
> information from an outside source, then tiddlywiki could use that 
> mechanism. Unless someone were to find a way to hack into googles servers 
> and modify their code for gmail there isn't anything anyone other than 
> google can do about this.
> 2) Send me a link to information about it, if it is as simple as what 
> twitter made I can probably have something working in the next few days. (I 
> also haven't forgotten about your request about the twitter plugin, it is 
> on my list of things to do.)
>
> I am not disagreeing with you, I do want to make things that let people 
> post to social networks, but the social networks need to allow it. It isn't 
> a matter of no client server architecture, it is a completely separate 
> philosophy used by tiddlywiki and the networks we want to post to. Facebook 
> lets you do what facebook wants you to do and the only way to get the 
> ability to do more is to convince facebook to add it.
>

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[tw] Re: Initiation V. Interaction -- thoughts on networking & TW5

[Jed Carty]

I am not sure what you mean by more central in this context.

1) How do you mean? You can copy and paste, but if you want something like 
a button that says 'Email this' and when you click it it opens a draft in 
gmail with the tiddler contents that it isn't just a tiddlywiki thing. It 
is a google thing. Google must provide a mechanism for importing 
information from an outside source, then tiddlywiki could use that 
mechanism. Unless someone were to find a way to hack into googles servers 
and modify their code for gmail there isn't anything anyone other than 
google can do about this.
2) Send me a link to information about it, if it is as simple as what 
twitter made I can probably have something working in the next few days. (I 
also haven't forgotten about your request about the twitter plugin, it is 
on my list of things to do.)

I am not disagreeing with you, I do want to make things that let people 
post to social networks, but the social networks need to allow it. It isn't 
a matter of no client server architecture, it is a completely separate 
philosophy used by tiddlywiki and the networks we want to post to. Facebook 
lets you do what facebook wants you to do and the only way to get the 
ability to do more is to convince facebook to add it.

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[tw] Re: One source (or aggregator) for downloading plug-ins???

[progetti]

Jed

Thanks for the very detailed reply. I will mull it & come back.

Josiah 

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 13:12:35 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I assure you we are very aware of how difficult it is to find what has and 
> hasn't been done and how difficult a task it is to start using the more 
> interesting parts of tiddlywiki. I am mostly in charge of maintaining the 
> list of plugins used by the community search site and I don't know a lot of 
> what has been made or is being worked on. Most of the development work is 
> taken up by improving the core so that as a basic standalone wiki 
> tiddlywiki works well. Unfortunately since this is an open project and 
> there is no dedicated staff being paid for development everything is 
> limited to what we are interested in making in our spare time. 
> One result of this is, to use myself as an example, that when I make 
> something interesting I tend to make only enough documentation so that I 
> can use it and then I don't worry about it anymore. There are plenty of 
> other people who do the same thing so over all documentation is lacking. 
> That is why I started the wiki reference wiki 
>  but that is done in my spare time 
> instead of working on any of my other projects that I generally find more 
> interesting. The problem only gets bigger when you add the other authors 
> who make plugins that I try to list because they need to make the plugins, 
> then they need to host them somewhere, then I need to know they made the 
> plugin and then I need to find the time to create the entry on my site then 
> Erwan needs to find the time to update his site so that the community 
> search has the correct list.
> Me and Erwan have been in contact with each other about this and every so 
> often some plugin authors will contact me, but for all of us this is 
> secondary to the development itself. We have no dedicated organizer or 
> logistics person so that side of things only gets done when someone who is 
> working on development decides to take a break and spend time on it.
> I am working on some things that will make it much easier for someone to 
> develop a plugin and then send me the information to list it, but that is 
> one of many projects I am working on.
>
> This isn't to complain, just to explain why things are the way they are. 
> Until we get some more people working on it (hopefully some who are 
> dedicated organizers) progress is going to be slow.
>

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[tw] Re: Initiation V. Interaction -- thoughts on networking & TW5

[progetti]

I DO really get you are into it. You developed some of  what is possible 
and have done it on Twitter. 

I still think it should be more central. 

lets take examples ...

(1) Why can't just I easily transfer a Tiddler to GMAIL? Its not 
theoretically difficult.

(2) LINKEDIN has a method for URL posting not unlike Twitter.

None of it will be exactly easy.

MY point is that TW left outside of basic POSTING to social networks is 
impoverished. I DO GET the contradiction that many of those systems want 
servers, not files doing Javascript. BUT that is where TW is coming from. 
And somehow mastering that seems important for its growth.

Josiah


On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 13:28:16 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Here are my reactions to trying to work with facebook 
> ,
>  
> heavily edited to remove the profanity. And google+ doesn't (or at least 
> didn't) have anything in place to let you even try to post to it or fetch 
> posts from it. If you can figure out how to make the api's from any of the 
> big silos do something useful I would be happy to help integrate it into 
> tiddlywiki.
>
> Even twitter, which makes posting simple at least, has mostly 
> indecipherable documentation on how to retrieve tweets using anything other 
> than their embedded list things like I have on my site.
>
> So in my experience it isn't so much as underdevelopment on the side of 
> tiddlywiki as social networks refusing to play nicely with others.
>

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[tw] Re: Initiation V. Interaction -- thoughts on networking & TW5

[Jed Carty]

Here are my reactions to trying to work with facebook 
,
 
heavily edited to remove the profanity. And google+ doesn't (or at least 
didn't) have anything in place to let you even try to post to it or fetch 
posts from it. If you can figure out how to make the api's from any of the 
big silos do something useful I would be happy to help integrate it into 
tiddlywiki.

Even twitter, which makes posting simple at least, has mostly 
indecipherable documentation on how to retrieve tweets using anything other 
than their embedded list things like I have on my site.

So in my experience it isn't so much as underdevelopment on the side of 
tiddlywiki as social networks refusing to play nicely with others.

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[tw] Re: One source (or aggregator) for downloading plug-ins???

[Jed Carty]

I assure you we are very aware of how difficult it is to find what has and 
hasn't been done and how difficult a task it is to start using the more 
interesting parts of tiddlywiki. I am mostly in charge of maintaining the 
list of plugins used by the community search site and I don't know a lot of 
what has been made or is being worked on. Most of the development work is 
taken up by improving the core so that as a basic standalone wiki 
tiddlywiki works well. Unfortunately since this is an open project and 
there is no dedicated staff being paid for development everything is 
limited to what we are interested in making in our spare time. 
One result of this is, to use myself as an example, that when I make 
something interesting I tend to make only enough documentation so that I 
can use it and then I don't worry about it anymore. There are plenty of 
other people who do the same thing so over all documentation is lacking. 
That is why I started the wiki reference wiki 
 but that is done in my spare time instead 
of working on any of my other projects that I generally find more 
interesting. The problem only gets bigger when you add the other authors 
who make plugins that I try to list because they need to make the plugins, 
then they need to host them somewhere, then I need to know they made the 
plugin and then I need to find the time to create the entry on my site then 
Erwan needs to find the time to update his site so that the community 
search has the correct list.
Me and Erwan have been in contact with each other about this and every so 
often some plugin authors will contact me, but for all of us this is 
secondary to the development itself. We have no dedicated organizer or 
logistics person so that side of things only gets done when someone who is 
working on development decides to take a break and spend time on it.
I am working on some things that will make it much easier for someone to 
develop a plugin and then send me the information to list it, but that is 
one of many projects I am working on.

This isn't to complain, just to explain why things are the way they are. 
Until we get some more people working on it (hopefully some who are 
dedicated organizers) progress is going to be slow.

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[tw] Initiation V. Interaction -- thoughts on networking & TW5

[progetti]

Looking over what you guys & gals (are there any gals?) have been doing 
regarding connecting up i see various plugins and complex solutions to 
overcome TW's limits on getting data from servers. Like Email. Like 
Feedback Forms. Like Tweets etc.

MY OPINION is it should get BETTER at natively AUTHORING, posting & 
emailing via NON-SERVER DEPENDENT methods as central. Otherwise you will 
arrive at a cleft stick.

The current UNDERDEVELOPMENT of ways to get Tiddlers relayed to social 
networks is MARKED IMO.

Josiah

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[tw] Re: One source (or aggregator) for downloading plug-ins???

[progetti]

THIS discussion I think is very interesting.

TBH I have to do A LOT OF WORK to figure out what has and hasn't been done. 
To find out exactly WHAT is WHERE and HOW to use it. Perhaps the more 
techno people who have been involved a while don't fully grasp what a MAZE 
it is to  grasp how brilliant TW is unless you are one of them. 

I very much doubt that most of the people visiting it will ever get that 
far. 

IMO TW is underused because its has a HIGH barrier to entry.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016 11:47:39 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> There is no central plugin server for community plugins. The community 
> search is the best we have so far. The way that works is I add plugins to 
> my list on inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com then they get taken by the community 
> search and put into the list there by Erwin. Unfortunately I have been busy 
> and I am very behind in updating the list.
>
> TiddlyWiki is a very distributed community and we haven't come up with a 
> better method of collecting everything yet. I hope that the work I am doing 
> on twederation  will 
> make this easier by allowing multiple people to maintain the listings, but 
> nothing is finished yet.
>

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[tw] [TW5] Pass a formatted Tiddler to GMAIL? Possible?

[progetti]

use case: I use TW5 to maintain data for a regular GMAIL mailing of items I 
select. 

currently: I have to copy and paste to GMAIL & then redo the styling 
manually. This is cumbersome.

wanted: Ability to (1) Click a button on a tiddler to PASS its text to 
GMAIL. (2) Pass also the STYLING of the tiddler.

QUESTION: has anyone made steps in this direction?

comment: IF the networking possibilities of TW5 were stronger & more 
upfront I am sure it would get more widely known.

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[tw] Re: One source (or aggregator) for downloading plug-ins???

[Jed Carty]

There is no central plugin server for community plugins. The community 
search is the best we have so far. The way that works is I add plugins to 
my list on inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com then they get taken by the community 
search and put into the list there by Erwin. Unfortunately I have been busy 
and I am very behind in updating the list.

TiddlyWiki is a very distributed community and we haven't come up with a 
better method of collecting everything yet. I hope that the work I am doing 
on twederation  will make 
this easier by allowing multiple people to maintain the listings, but 
nothing is finished yet.

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[tw] One source (or aggregator) for downloading plug-ins???

[HC Haase]

why is it that that only some plug-ins is distributed through the build in 
plug-in repository? many of my favourite plug-ins I found here browsing the 
forum and only after a long time I discovered the community page 
 with the 
collection of plug-in links. This fragmentation is not user friendly, 
especially not for new users.

but what is the reason? is because the plug-in developer want to present 
there work them selves, is it a problem with capacity on the plugin server 
or is it a deliberate decision with some good reason?


would it be possible to have one source (or aggregator) for downloading 
plug-ins?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Another way to make multiple tag-like fields

[Jed Carty]

This now has a readme in the plugin and the macro tiddler has documentation 
for the macros. There is also a much shorter and easier to understand demo. 
Everything is still here 
.

You should be able to use this as an alternative to the normal tags field 
in every way except I don't have an exact alternative for !tag[foo] for the 
other fields. You can do the equivalent of tag[foo] by 
[foo]listed[fieldname] so it is only the negation part that is missing.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Feature Request: FramedLinksPlugin for TW5

[TiddlyWiker]

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 10:05:57 PM UTC+2, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:24:54 AM UTC-7, TiddlyWiker wrote:
>>
>> I have found the FramedLinksPlugin in tw classic very useful.
>>
>> Clicking an external link opens an IFRAME following the link instead of
>> opening a new tab/window.
>>
>> http://www.tiddlytools.com/#FramedLinksPlugin
>>
>> Is it possible to have the same plugin or a similar one for
>> TW5?
>>
>
> You can create a simple "framed link" using TW5 native syntax, without any 
> plugin.
>
> First, define the following TW5 macro:
> \define framedlink(url)
> <$button popup="$:/temp/framedlink/$url$" class="tc-btn-invisible">$url$<
> /$button>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" state="$:/temp/framedlink/$url$">
> 
> 
> \end
>
> Then, invoke it like this:
>> 
>
> This creates a $button that, when clicked, $reveals the iframe.  Clicking 
> the $button text again hides the iframe.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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another question.


In the twc version of framedlinks If you have a number of links in the same 
tiddler then you can open and close them independently. But with the TW5 
version that you offered if you have a number of links on the same tiddler 
opening and closing one opens and closes them all
Is there a way to have the same functionality in the TW5 version as in the 
twc classic version. Or am I missing something?

Thanks for your attention. 


Regards,

TiddlyWikier


 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] The start of an encyclopedia edition

[Jed Carty]

You use the listed operator like this:

<$list filter='[[Root]listed[useful_parts]]'>



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