[tw] Re: How to do an exact match of tags

[Jed Carty]

I wrote a thing about how filter expressions can be represented as logic 
statements that may help you but I don't have the link on this computer. 
The quick answer is that you can use this:

<$list filter='[tag[TableOfContents]]'>
<$list filter='[is[current]tags[]]-[[TableOfContents]]' 
emptyMessage="""<>""">




to test it put it in a tiddler on tiddlywiki.com and look at the list, then 
add another tag to HelloThere and it will be removed from the list. You can 
change the emptyMessage to whatever you want to display for each tiddler. 
If you want more than one tag to be tested for you just make the first 
filter something like [tag[a]tag[b]] and add -[[a]]-[[b]] to the second 
filter.

There is almost certainly an easier way to do whatever it is you are trying 
to do.

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[tw] Re: Getting a count in a list?

[Jon]

Ah, Jed's reply arrived a second before mine - go with his suggestion!

On Monday, 28 November 2016 20:29:33 UTC, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> this gives a list of all tags and a count of each.
>
> <$list filter="[tags[]!is[system]sort[title]]">
> <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>  class="tc-menu-list-count"><$count 
> filter="[all[current]tagging[]]"/>
> 
>
> I don't know if there's anything here you can adapt.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Monday, 28 November 2016 19:17:33 UTC, leeand00 wrote:
>>
>> \define thisList()
>> 
>> <$list filter="$(thefilter)$">
>>   
>>   <$view field="title"/> - <$count filter=[tag[!!{{title}}]] /> 
>> 
>> \end
>>
>>
>> <$set name="thefilter" value={{!!dasfilter}}>
>> <>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to do this?  The part that really has me confused is how 
>> to get a <$count> that will count the number of tiddlers tagged with the 
>> current tag.
>>
>> As for the data, lets say I had the following:
>>
>> tiddler tags: red, blue, green
>> tiddler: tags
>>
>> apple: tags: red, green
>> water: tags: blue
>> sky: tags: blue
>> ball: red, blue, green
>> grass: tags: grass
>>
>> Then it would output:
>>
>> red - 2
>> blue - 3
>> green - 3
>>
>> I just want to count how many tiddlers within a specific set of tags are 
>> tagged with that tag.  But I don't want ALL OF THEM like in the tag manager.
>>
>

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[tw] How to do an exact match of tags

[steve]

Hi:

Does anyone know of a way to do an exact tag match, i.e., there is a one to 
one correspondence between the tags specified in the filter and the 
matching tiddlers.

For example for tidders Tom (tagged A), Dick (tagged A, B) and Harry 
(tagged A, B and C), a filter search for [tag[A]] would return Tom (but not 
Dick or Harry) and a filter search for [tag[A]tag[B]] would return Dick 
(but not Harry). The only way that I can think of so far would be to use 
javascript to compare the contents of the tags field.

The use case is to be able to generate a list of matching tiddlers for each 
unique group of tags. I have a macro to do this by first doing sorting the 
tags in place for each tiddler;  sorting the tiddlers by the tags field 
(i.e., sort[tags]); and then listing each tiddler name followed by its 
corresponding tag pills. I am trying to stretch my tiddlywiki horizons by 
finding a way to do this while listing each unique combination of tags only 
once followed by list of tiddlers that have that exact combination of tags.

Thanks
Steve


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[tw] Re: Queries / Reporting Based on Tags

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The list-links will limit you to only a list of links. To build up more 
than that, try something like (untested):


<$list filter="[tag{!!priority}] +[tag{!!people]]">

{{!!title}} {{!!Field 1}}{{!!Field 2}} etc..





In my experience, building a table breaks down when you try to use pipes, 
so that's why I use HTML here.  But feel free to try.

Have fun,
Mark


On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:15:20 PM UTC-8, Farayi Chambati wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark and Jed,
>
> You have given me a head start. However, I still need a bit of help:
>
> I have come up with a query like
>
>
>
> <>
>
> I get a list of Tiddlers meeting my criteria.  I would like to display 
> more than a Title but other fields like:
>
> Tiddler Title | Field 1| Field 2| etc..
>
> How do I do that.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 7:22:37 AM UTC+13, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Mark is right, it would be much easier to do it with fields. What you 
>> have will actually be much much more harder to work with and expand upon in 
>> the future.
>>
>> To do the whole thing with tags is possible, but is more complex that I 
>> feel like showing here. You can make something like this but you need one 
>> case for every possibility, this would just show the 'high' part from the 
>> priority column:
>>
>> <$list filter=<> list in the table>>>
>> <$list filter='[is[current]tag[priority:high]]'>high
>> <$list filter='[is[current]tag[priority:low]]'>low
>> 
>>
>> you would need to add something inside the list for every possibility for 
>> every column.
>>
>> Otherwise you could just have fields and make the table display a column 
>> for each field and list the field contents. So if you have a field called 
>> priority it will show a column priority and you can put whatever you want 
>> in the field to be displayed for that column. Or if you know what columns 
>> you want Marks answer would do everything you need.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Queries / Reporting Based on Tags

[Farayi Chambati]

Thanks Mark and Jed,

You have given me a head start. However, I still need a bit of help:

I have come up with a query like



<>

I get a list of Tiddlers meeting my criteria.  I would like to display more 
than a Title but other fields like:

Tiddler Title | Field 1| Field 2| etc..

How do I do that.


On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 7:22:37 AM UTC+13, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Mark is right, it would be much easier to do it with fields. What you have 
> will actually be much much more harder to work with and expand upon in the 
> future.
>
> To do the whole thing with tags is possible, but is more complex that I 
> feel like showing here. You can make something like this but you need one 
> case for every possibility, this would just show the 'high' part from the 
> priority column:
>
> <$list filter=< in the table>>>
> <$list filter='[is[current]tag[priority:high]]'>high
> <$list filter='[is[current]tag[priority:low]]'>low
> 
>
> you would need to add something inside the list for every possibility for 
> every column.
>
> Otherwise you could just have fields and make the table display a column 
> for each field and list the field contents. So if you have a field called 
> priority it will show a column priority and you can put whatever you want 
> in the field to be displayed for that column. Or if you know what columns 
> you want Marks answer would do everything you need.
>

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[tw] How to send a tiddler to the end of the storylist?

[Jan]

Hello,
I would like to send a Tiddler ([[Footnotes]]) to the end of the storylist.
How does this work? I guess the listops-widget should help in this job 
but I cannot figure out how this can be achieved.

Another question
Is there a tool that can change a TW5´s behaviour to open new Tiddlers 
at the bottom of the story-river? There was one for TWC...


Thanks for helping
Jan

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[tw] ByeBye pancake, hello..... Git?

[Ste Wilson]

I don't see why not but I don't think it's the server that would make it read 
only. I think you'd get the same tiddly Wiki on tiddly spot or updog (minus the 
ease of automatic saving that comes from tiddly spot). 
There are several threads on here and at least one plug in on how to set up a 
read only tiddly. I'll have a dig around when I'm at a pc. 

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Re: [tw] [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[Jan]

Hi Riz,
thanks for the information about reveal.js
I already had thought about a tool to export to impress.js File
Reveal.js looks more appropriate for TW because  supports more formats 
and the file would require less customisation like the spacial 
coordinates data necessary in impress.

But that's off topic now in your thread...

best wishes Jan





Am 28.11.2016 um 06:49 schrieb Riz:



Sorry for this hint, it was meant well


Not an issue at all.

As for presentation - only yesterday I read in TiddlyWikiDev forum 
that someone is trying to adapt reveal.js to TW5. If that happens, 
that will be a massive upgrade for TW as a presentation creater.

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[tw] Re: Getting a count in a list?

[Jon]

Hi,

this gives a list of all tags and a count of each.

<$list filter="[tags[]!is[system]sort[title]]">
<$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/> <$count 
filter="[all[current]tagging[]]"/>


I don't know if there's anything here you can adapt.

Regards
Jon

On Monday, 28 November 2016 19:17:33 UTC, leeand00 wrote:
>
> \define thisList()
> 
> <$list filter="$(thefilter)$">
>   
>   <$view field="title"/> - <$count filter=[tag[!!{{title}}]] /> 
> 
> \end
>
>
> <$set name="thefilter" value={{!!dasfilter}}>
> <>
> 
>
>
> Is it possible to do this?  The part that really has me confused is how to 
> get a <$count> that will count the number of tiddlers tagged with the 
> current tag.
>
> As for the data, lets say I had the following:
>
> tiddler tags: red, blue, green
> tiddler: tags
>
> apple: tags: red, green
> water: tags: blue
> sky: tags: blue
> ball: red, blue, green
> grass: tags: grass
>
> Then it would output:
>
> red - 2
> blue - 3
> green - 3
>
> I just want to count how many tiddlers within a specific set of tags are 
> tagged with that tag.  But I don't want ALL OF THEM like in the tag manager.
>

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Re: [tw] The end of the (Tiddly)world is nigh.

[PMario]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 3:35:56 PM UTC+1, Ed Burgess wrote:
>
> Mario, Jed,
> Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. And having watched the first half 
> hour or so of the tiddlyspot hangout I do fee I understand the whole set up 
> much better.
>
> Mario, Seeing your videos has been a great help and you’ve also given me 
> some confidence that, as long as I am happy to work locally, my tiddlyworld 
> does not have to come to an end. Will come back to you if I get stuck 
> trying to rebuild into TW5, but thanks for all your time building the tools 
> and helping me out today.
>
> Ed
>

You are welcome :)
-m

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[tw] Re: The end of the (Tiddly)world is nigh.

[Shay Shaked]

Hi Ed, 

I read this post and some of the comments. Personally, I never considered 
using TiddlySpace. I don't think I even looked at seriously. However, I am 
now working on my own "public facing" TW to upload, as an HTML file, to my 
own site. I don't think I'm the only guy who's thinking of doing that. 

TW is highly an independent product, which is what I love about it. I've 
started using it almost a year ego, and it grew to become an extension of 
my brain, an autobiography, a project platform, a journal, a tech notebook, 
and so much more. My TW has additions of Macros and CSS that fit my needs - 
not a lot at all, but enough to give it somewhat of a personal look. It 
 is, hands down, my most successful tech project this year: the knowledge 
in my personal TW is unrivaled by nothing else I've used, besides (perhaps) 
Evernote, which I've used for four years. And Evernote to me is completely 
dead at this point. 

TW is sort of an underdog the way I see it. The community here is very 
dedicated, and the people very much alive. It is such a niche project with 
so many people taking the time to really learn to use it that a hosting 
site does not make sense, at least in my opinion: each TW out there is 
probably highly personal, and thus, not very useful as a community tool. 

I don't know that this little "I love TW" post helps you in anyway, but I 
felt like I'd add my 0.02. I love this thing. 

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 4:24:39 AM UTC-5, Ed Burgess wrote:
>
> Hi,
> For the last 18 months I have been building a TiddlySpace (in v.1.2.26) in 
> support of my architecture business, including pages with project data for 
> every job and office management pages such as policies and software 
> protocols. Most of the pages are 'private' but its a beautiful thing built 
> quickly and easily in one of the standard templates with very simple style 
> additions from the brilliant Tiddly Toddler and similar sites. However I 
> have no coding experience and no understanding of the infrastructure of the 
> web and why or how these wonderful pages are 'working'.
>
> I've been watching the red banner at the top of the site warning of the 
> impending closure of the TiddlySpace server which is now a couple of weeks 
> away and my diary tells me now is the time to act. I've been searching on 
> google and the Tiddly forums expecting a flurry of latest advice on 
> transposing TiddlySpaces into another platform like Wordpress, or frantic 
> discussion on the crowd-funded attempts to save the server. But what I see 
> is everyone behaving quite normally and going about their daily lives as if 
> the sky is not about to fall down. (Mind you there are quite afew posts 
> which although they apppear to be in English, I do not understand at all, 
> so could be in there!)
>
> I'm thinking I've missed something?  Of course there is the potential to 
> export out a simple HTML file from the menu items in the header.  Will my 
> TiddlySpace continue to operate normally after the server shutdown date, as 
> long as I have moved a copy of it to a local storage volume (I think thats 
> what you say when you mean 'off my computer')?
>  
> I have seen some helpful info from @cdent on exporting as JSON files (?) 
> which I have duely done, but I'm afraid I dont really know what to do with 
> them next - if indeed there is a 'next'.
>
> If anyone can tell me why the rest of the TiddlyWorld is so calm, or point 
> me to the escape capsule, that would be great.
> Thanks for your help and apologies for the gaping holes in my 
> understanding!
> Ed
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 show list of values in a field

[Jon]

Hi,

In terms of putting each field value on a new line, I found this CSS trick 
which seems to work!

Thanks for help on this.

Jon


.newline {
word-spacing: 999px;
}

<$select tiddler="$:/temp/familykeyword">
   <$list filter="[tag[family]]">
  <>
   


@@.newline

{{ $:/temp/familykeyword }}

@@









On Sunday, 27 November 2016 18:26:23 UTC, Jon wrote:
>
> Riz, that is almost perfect!!
>
> I just need the keywords to show in a list rather than on a single line.
>
> How do I incorporate a line break or something similar?
>
> Many thanks
> Jon
>
> On Sunday, 27 November 2016 17:40:26 UTC, Riz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sorry Mark, but that's not what I want.
>>>
>>> I need the values of the keyword field outside the widget, in the body 
>>> of the tiddler (which contains the select widget)
>>>
>>>
>>> <$select tiddler="$:/temp/familykeyword">
>>
>><$list filter="[tag[family]]">
>>   <>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Now wherever you want the keyword to appear, say the body of the tiddler 
>> containing the select widget, just add {{$:/temp/familykeyword}}
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Riz
>>
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[tw] Getting a count in a list?

[leeand00]

\define thisList()

<$list filter="$(thefilter)$">
  
  <$view field="title"/> - <$count filter=[tag[!!{{title}}]] /> 

\end


<$set name="thefilter" value={{!!dasfilter}}>
<>



Is it possible to do this?  The part that really has me confused is how to 
get a <$count> that will count the number of tiddlers tagged with the 
current tag.

As for the data, lets say I had the following:

tiddler tags: red, blue, green
tiddler: tags

apple: tags: red, green
water: tags: blue
sky: tags: blue
ball: red, blue, green
grass: tags: grass

Then it would output:

red - 2
blue - 3
green - 3

I just want to count how many tiddlers within a specific set of tags are 
tagged with that tag.  But I don't want ALL OF THEM like in the tag manager.

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[tw] Exporting all tiddlers under a specific tiddler

[Shay Shaked]

I am going to upload a part of my TW to my website (as an HTML file) and 
I'm trying to find a way to export all Tiddlers under my "Tech" Tiddlers to 
a new TW HTML file. I am trying to see if I can automate te process. 

The individual Tiddlers "under" the main "Tech" tiddlers are not 
necessarily Tagged as "Tech," they are tagged by a child tiddler which is 
inside the big "Tech". 
To visualize, let's say my TOC looks something like this: 

Tech
|
|- MacOS (tagged "Tech")
|  |- Tiddler A (tagged "MacOS")
|
|-ChromeOS (tagged "Tech")
|  |- Tiddler B (tagged "ChromeOS")
|  |- Tiddler C (tagged "ChromeOS")
|
|-Windows (tagged "Tech")
   |- Tiddler D (tagged "Windows")

What I need is to export a TW HTML file with the above four tiddlers, which 
are not all necessarily tagged as "Tech," as this will result of all of 
these tiddlers showing under Tech in the TOC. 

How would you guys go at this? please let me know. Thanks! 

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[tw] Re: Queries / Reporting Based on Tags

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

But you ARE predefining fields still. You've just put the structure into 
tags where it will be difficult to parse out. "people:john" is the same as 
having a field "people" with a value "john".  It would be easier just to 
put john into field people where it can be fetched easily with {{!!people}}.

Good luck!
Mark 

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 10:53:36 PM UTC-8, Farayi Chambati wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> A little help here!
>
> I have  tiddler with following  tags.
>
> *Example: 1*
>
> Tiddler Title: App Idea suggested by Peter
> Tag: priority:high, ios project, people:peter, department:marketing
>
>
> *Example 2:*
>
> Tiddler Title: Task to be completed  by John
> Tag: priority:high, ios project, people:john, department:developmemt
>
> The examples are just for illustration, in one file I could have different 
> tags and tagging different things from facts, people, tasks, qoutes etc..
>
> with these tiddlers I would like to produce a dynamic report with the 
> following tabular structure:
>
>
> *Priorty   |  IOS Project  | People | 
> Department*
> high| App Idea suggested by Peter| Peter | marketing
> high| Task to be completed by John | John| develpment
>
> I do not want to use fields as I want the stucture to be flexible without 
> predefining the fields in advance. Tags give me this flexibility.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>

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[tw] ByeBye pancake, hello..... Git?

[Fatso Tutor]

Hi 

Is it possible to run a read only tw5 file from this service?

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Re: [tw] How to alter a static html filename encoding in order to shorten filename length

[oleghbond]

For the time being we applied the following patch:

   - *core\modules\widgets\link.js: 86*

/*
wikiLinkText = 
wikiLinkText.replace("$uri_doubleencoded$",encodeURIComponent(encodeURIComponent(this.to)));
  // ORIGINAL 
*/
wikiLinkText = wikiLinkText.replace("$uri_doubleencoded$",this.to); // CHANGED


   - *core\modules\commands\rendertiddlers.js: 60*

/*
var finalPath = exportPath || path.resolve(pathname,encodeURIComponent(title) + 
extension);  // ORIGINAL 
*/var finalPath = exportPath || path.resolve(pathname,title + extension); // 
CHANGED


Olegh


субота, 19 листопада 2016 р. 23:14:46 UTC+2 користувач oleghbond написав:
>
> Jeremy, thanks for discussion.
>
> My conclusion: 
>
>1. percent-encoding is neither informative (human readable) nor 
>elegant for permalink use,
>2. percent-encoding makes serious restriction on the title length in 
>Cyrillic (about 6 times shorter than in Latin) in case of multiple static 
>file generation from TW5,
>3. a possible way out, what I personally would prefer, is in applying 
>a universal approach to permalink generation based on "title-to-slug" 
>conversion with transliteration use.
>
> Meanwhile possible changes comes true many users like me would need sort 
> of patch to cover the issue of "too long filename" during static multifile 
> site generation.
>
> So I'd be grateful for a concise instruction for such dummies like me of 
> how to sort out the issue.
>
> Sincerely
> Olegh
>
>
> субота, 19 листопада 2016 р. 19:10:48 UTC+2 користувач Jeremy Ruston 
> написав:
>>
>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> I'd like to stress another point - there is a rationale in splitting the 
>> generation of permalinks for tiddler by two cases:
>>
>>1. for the TW environment (/#) and 
>>2. for multiple static files creation (https://goo.gl/JKjpnr).
>>
>> In the 2nd case conversion reprocicality is *not* necessary.
>>
>>
>> That is true, and I’d certainly open to a fix that only worked for the 
>> second case, but would much prefer an approach that we can use universally, 
>> if that is possible.
>>
>> That is the very case where I've suggested transliteration as an option.
>>
>>
>> It would be fairly straightforward to explore with a fork. You’d need to 
>> expand the link widget to offer transliteration as one of the encoding 
>> options:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/widgets/link.js#L83-L87
>>
>> Let me know if I can help,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> I'd be grateful for your consideration and advice.
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 18 листопада 2016 р. 21:38:57 UTC+2 користувач Jeremy Ruston 
>> написав:
>>>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem is not something new. Namely, while generating a static html 
>>> filename from TW5 having cyrillic titles in a result one can sort of this:
>>>
>>>- 
>>>
>>> http://127.0.0.1:8080/#%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%96%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0%20%D0%A2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96:%5B%5B%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%96%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0%20%D0%A2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%5D%5D/
>>>  
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> A single cyrillic letter is encoded to 6 (!) ASCII signs. Bearing in 
>>> mind a typical path name length of 30-40 signs and limitation of many OS on 
>>> filename length of say 255, one obtains the title length limit 
>>> approximately around 35, which can be annoying.
>>>
>>> The point is when during static html generation the full 
>>> path-and-filename length exceeds 255 the process accidently stops with 
>>> error message sort of "Too long filename”.
>>>
>>>
>>> That makes sense. TiddlyWiki5 already incorporates code to transliterate 
>>> Cyrillic characters to their Latin equivalents, but it is only used within 
>>> the file system adaptor for filename generation, and isn’t used for 
>>> permalinks. Here’s the code:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem/filesystemadaptor.js#L78-L85
>>>
>>> Here’s the code that generates permalinks:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/startup/story.js#L72-L79

Re: [tw] The end of the (Tiddly)world is nigh.

[Ed Burgess]

Mario, Jed,
Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. And having watched the first half hour 
or so of the tiddlyspot hangout I do fee I understand the whole set up much 
better.

Mario, Seeing your videos has been a great help and you’ve also given me some 
confidence that, as long as I am happy to work locally, my tiddlyworld does not 
have to come to an end. Will come back to you if I get stuck trying to rebuild 
into TW5, but thanks for all your time building the tools and helping me out 
today.

Ed


> On 28 Nov 2016, at 14:15, PMario  wrote:
> 
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 10:24:39 AM UTC+1, Ed Burgess wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Hi Ed, 
> 
> However I have no coding experience and no understanding of the 
> infrastructure of the web and why or how these wonderful pages are 'working'.
> 
> ... I've been searching on google and the Tiddly forums expecting a flurry of 
> latest advice on transposing TiddlySpaces into another platform like 
> Wordpress, or frantic discussion on the crowd-funded attempts to save the 
> server.
> 
> I did publish 2 different scripts that let's you create backups. One for 
> windows, one for linux / mac. 
> The documentation also contains links to howto videos, to give users an 
> overview, what's going on. 
> 
> see: [BETA] - TiddlySpace Backup Scripts  Scripts>
> 
> The scripts will let you download xxx_private.html and xxx_public.html files, 
> that should be functional. 
> 
> xxx_private.html contains private and public tiddlers
> xxx_public.html conains public tiddlers only!
> 
> The easiest way to test a local version is: 
> 
>  - download your TWs
>  - unplug from the internet, to disconnect from external links (eg: external 
> images)
>  - edit a tiddler and 
>  - save 
>  - reload and see if it worked. 
> 
> If it worked. ... fine. If not ... this forum may help.
> 
> But what I see is everyone behaving quite normally and going about their 
> daily lives as if the sky is not about to fall down. (Mind you there are 
> quite afew posts which although they apppear to be in English, I do not 
> understand at all, so could be in there!)
> 
> IMO those users, that still need their content, did already download their 
> stuff. Since TiddlyWiki is designed to be used offline, you should be fine, 
> as soon as you have a backup html file or a json file. 
> 
> My scripts are intended, to download a working copy. ... html-files
> and some "pure content" ... .json-files, .recipe-files
> 
> With these files, it should be possible to completely recreate the whole 
> server-side structure in the future. ... or
> You can strip out the server-side stuff and just keep the offline content. ...
>  
> I'm thinking I've missed something?  Of course there is the potential to 
> export out a simple HTML file from the menu items in the header.
> 
> see the above 
> 
> Will my TiddlySpace continue to operate normally after the server shutdown 
> date, as long as I have moved a copy of it to a local storage volume (I think 
> thats what you say when you mean 'off my computer')?
> 
> Your local backups should work. See info above!
> 
> tiddlyspace will be shut down and the content will be deleted. see: 
> http://osmo-service.tiddlyspace.com/ServiceUpdate20160826  second paragraph: 
> (I did mark the important stuff with: yello background)
> 
> The Tiddlyspace service is to cease on or before 15th December 2016. When the 
> service is shutdown, access to your spaces will no longer be available and 
> any information (tiddlers etc) contained within the system will be deleted. 
> Disks will be securely wiped passing zeros across the disk, for spinning 
> disks. Solid state disks will be erased using a secure erase command provided 
> by the manufacturer of the SSD. 
> 
>  
> I have seen some helpful info from @cdent on exporting as JSON files (?) 
> which I have duely done, but I'm afraid I dont really know what to do with 
> them next - if indeed there is a 'next'.
> 
> TiddlyWiki5 is able to import .json files. So it should be possible to 
> migrate the content. BUT be aware that the content itself is not 100% 
> compatible and depending on the TWclassic macros / plugins you use. There is 
> quite some manual work involved!
>  
> If anyone can tell me why the rest of the TiddlyWorld is so calm, or point me 
> to the escape capsule, that would be great.
> Thanks for your help and apologies for the gaping holes in my understanding!
> 
> As I wrote: have a look at: [BETA] - TiddlySpace Backup Scripts
>  <>
> You can also send me a private mail. I'm available for hire too!
> 
> have fun!
> mario 
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[tw] Re: The end of the (Tiddly)world is nigh.

[PMario]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 10:24:39 AM UTC+1, Ed Burgess wrote:
>
> Hi,
>

Hi Ed, 

However I have no coding experience and no understanding of the 
> infrastructure of the web and why or how these wonderful pages are 
> 'working'.
>
> ... I've been searching on google and the Tiddly forums expecting a flurry 
> of latest advice on transposing TiddlySpaces into another platform like 
> Wordpress, or frantic discussion on the crowd-funded attempts to save the 
> server.
>

I did publish 2 different scripts that let's you create backups. One for 
windows, one for linux / mac. 
The documentation also contains links to howto videos, to give users an 
overview, what's going on. 

see: [BETA] - TiddlySpace Backup Scripts 

The scripts will let you download xxx_private.html and xxx_public.html 
files, that should be functional. 

xxx_private.html contains private and public tiddlers
xxx_public.html conains public tiddlers only!

The easiest way to test a local version is: 

 - download your TWs
 - unplug from the internet, to disconnect from external links (eg: 
external images)
 - edit a tiddler and 
 - save 
 - reload and see if it worked. 

If it worked. ... fine. If not ... this forum may help.

But what I see is everyone behaving quite normally and going about their 
> daily lives as if the sky is not about to fall down. (Mind you there are 
> quite afew posts which although they apppear to be in English, I do not 
> understand at all, so could be in there!)
>

IMO those users, that still need their content, did already download their 
stuff. Since TiddlyWiki is designed to be used offline, you should be fine, 
as soon as you have a backup html file or a json file. 

My scripts are intended, to download a working copy. ... html-files
and some "pure content" ... .json-files, .recipe-files

With these files, it should be possible to completely recreate the whole 
server-side structure in the future. ... or
You can strip out the server-side stuff and just keep the offline content. 
...
 

> I'm thinking I've missed something?  Of course there is the potential to 
> export out a simple HTML file from the menu items in the header.
>

see the above 

Will my TiddlySpace continue to operate normally after the server shutdown 
> date, as long as I have moved a copy of it to a local storage volume (I 
> think thats what you say when you mean 'off my computer')?
>

Your local backups should work. See info above!

tiddlyspace will be shut down and the content will be deleted. see: 
http://osmo-service.tiddlyspace.com/ServiceUpdate20160826  second 
paragraph: (I did mark the important stuff with: yello background)

The Tiddlyspace service is to cease *on or before 15th December 2016*. When 
>> the service is shutdown, access to your spaces will no longer be available 
>> and any information (tiddlers etc) contained within the system will be 
>> deleted. Disks will be securely wiped passing zeros across the disk, for 
>> spinning disks. Solid state disks will be erased using a secure erase 
>> command provided by the manufacturer of the SSD. 
>>
>
 

> I have seen some helpful info from @cdent on exporting as JSON files (?) 
> which I have duely done, but I'm afraid I dont really know what to do with 
> them next - if indeed there is a 'next'.
>

TiddlyWiki5 is able to import .json files. So it should be possible to 
migrate the content. *BUT *be aware that the content itself is not 100% 
compatible and depending on the TWclassic macros / plugins you use. There 
is quite some manual work involved!
 

> If anyone can tell me why the rest of the TiddlyWorld is so calm, or point 
> me to the escape capsule, that would be great.
> Thanks for your help and apologies for the gaping holes in my 
> understanding!
>

As I wrote: have a look at: [BETA] - TiddlySpace Backup Scripts

You can also send me a private mail. I'm available for hire too!

have fun!
mario 

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[tw] Re: [BETA] - TiddlySpace Backup Scripts

[PMario]

Hi Folks, 

If Jeremy is right, and TS will shut down at 9th of December 
 there's only 10 days left to save your 
stuff. 
I just want to bump the topic and also link to my [video] How to backup 
TiddlySpace spaces using internet archive.org 
 thread.

have fun!
-m

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tag shortener macro

[PMario]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:35:26 AM UTC+1, The Bo wrote:
>
> this is what I'm looking for. Where can I find it?
>

Hi,

In the last hangout, near the end , we 
discussed a possibility to bring some of Erics's stuff to the core. 

What we want to have in the core in the short run: 

 - recursion protection. ... to avoid javascript errors or endless trees. 
 - auto select an open tiddler, in the TOC branches. 

In the first run it should be a plugin, for easy testing. 


see: http://tiddlytools.github.io/InsideTW/#PartsList ... TOC section. 
There are several macros involved. ... 

I'll have a closer look and will create a pull request. ... Which doesn't 
mean, that I'm the only one, which can do this. So if someone is interested 
and faster than me, help is very welcome. Just drop me a line. 

have fun!
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[tw] Re: [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[Riz]

There are media-queries in place that hides the usual sidebar in the 
desktop view. The sidebar class in itself is modified to be hidden in the 
desktop in addition to the topbar menu which switches the sidebar. Once 
that is done you need to restructure tiddler frame and edit frame to act in 
accordance with the usual sidebar, as they are not. Also the topbar will 
have to be modified for the same. All these plus the necessary changes when 
you go below the media-breakpoint will get you what you want. 
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[tw] Re: [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[HC Haase]

thanks. I guess I will have to do some manual work then. :)

When you say you want to remove sidebar, do you mean you do not want a 
sidebar at all or you want to combine the usual sidebar with the theme?

I want to combine the usual sidebar with the theme!
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[tw] Re: [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[Riz]

To copy the body layout you will be better off with the usual Inspect 
element mode. Few of the stylesheets depend on each other so deleting one 
by one could end up with having to put in more effort than it is worth.

When you say you want to remove sidebar, do you mean you do not want a 
sidebar at all or you want to combine the usual sidebar with the theme?

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[tw] Re: [Theme] Moments: A little color won't hurt

[HC Haase]

again this looks really nice!

Personally I don’t like the sidebar (overlay and lack of overview) but I 
love the theme for the tiddlers. I am wondering if it is possible to copy 
only the body layout. maybe deleting all but 

   - $:/tesseract/Moments/OutsideFonts and 
   - $:/tesseract/Moments/Main 

???

or if it can be achieved by modifying the layout values at the controlPanel 
> Appearance > Theme tweaks for e.g. the vanilla theme ??? or is there 
stuff going on that don’t have a value there?? 

Den lørdag den 26. november 2016 kl. 18.05.54 UTC+1 skrev Riz:

Moments is a beautiful free and responsive theme available for wordpress. 
> This is an adaptation of the same for TW5 platform. All the design credits 
> goes to the site and the original designer.
>
> Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/IgzJo
>
> To see demo and download the plugin, go to: 
> http://tesseractmoments.surge.sh/
>
> If you cannot see the left sidebar as shown in the screenshots, try 
> zooming out a bit. 
>
>
> Do let me know your inputs and feedbacks
>
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[tw] Re: The end of the (Tiddly)world is nigh.

[Jed Carty]

I think the main reason that people seem calm is that most people aren't 
using tiddlyspace.

As for something more helpful, both Jeremy and Mario have made some export 
tools but I don't know if the tools will let you run a server. The good 
news there is that Jeremy is starting a paid service that will be able to 
do a lot of what tiddlyspace does. He spoke about it during the hangout on 
Saturday. The video is available here http://hangout-101.tiddlyspot.com

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[tw] The end of the (Tiddly)world is nigh.

[Ed Burgess]

Hi,
For the last 18 months I have been building a TiddlySpace (in v.1.2.26) in 
support of my architecture business, including pages with project data for 
every job and office management pages such as policies and software 
protocols. Most of the pages are 'private' but its a beautiful thing built 
quickly and easily in one of the standard templates with very simple style 
additions from the brilliant Tiddly Toddler and similar sites. However I 
have no coding experience and no understanding of the infrastructure of the 
web and why or how these wonderful pages are 'working'.

I've been watching the red banner at the top of the site warning of the 
impending closure of the TiddlySpace server which is now a couple of weeks 
away and my diary tells me now is the time to act. I've been searching on 
google and the Tiddly forums expecting a flurry of latest advice on 
transposing TiddlySpaces into another platform like Wordpress, or frantic 
discussion on the crowd-funded attempts to save the server. But what I see 
is everyone behaving quite normally and going about their daily lives as if 
the sky is not about to fall down. (Mind you there are quite afew posts 
which although they apppear to be in English, I do not understand at all, 
so could be in there!)

I'm thinking I've missed something?  Of course there is the potential to 
export out a simple HTML file from the menu items in the header.  Will my 
TiddlySpace continue to operate normally after the server shutdown date, as 
long as I have moved a copy of it to a local storage volume (I think thats 
what you say when you mean 'off my computer')?
 
I have seen some helpful info from @cdent on exporting as JSON files (?) 
which I have duely done, but I'm afraid I dont really know what to do with 
them next - if indeed there is a 'next'.

If anyone can tell me why the rest of the TiddlyWorld is so calm, or point 
me to the escape capsule, that would be great.
Thanks for your help and apologies for the gaping holes in my understanding!
Ed

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tag shortener macro

[The Bo]

Hey Mario,

this is what I'm looking for. Where can I find it?

Regards,
The Bo

Am Donnerstag, 24. November 2016 11:23:57 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>
> Have a look at: https://youtu.be/j2Lz6CswsE8?t=3313 if that's what you 
> need.
>
> -m
>
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