date:20171117

Iain and Mark,

   1. Firefox Portable Legacy 36_3.6.28 (FPL)  is noticeable faster than 
   TiddlyDesktop and does not have any issues with TWC;
   2. FPL may be used portable  (even running from an USB is faster that TW 
   Deskop installed locally), and occupies less than half the size;
   3. FPL is able to run some TWC plugins that TiddlyDesktop cannot (e.g. 
   LessBackupsPlugin by Simon Baird)
   4. My two TWC TW's are version 2.8.1; upgrading them to 2.9.0 beta 3 
   won't do anything;
   
I tried converting my two large and highly customized Gething Things Done 
(mGSD) TW's to TW5 Cardo 1.0. However, I believe Cardo is still in 
development. This task would be too much effort for half the gain at this 
point in time; maybe in the future.

Alfonso

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Yeah, this plugin just reacts to the screen being narrowed and doesn't 
really set visibility-tiddlers. Thanks for the tb5 link!

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 11:08:38 AM UTC+9, FFT wrote:
>
> I found two solutions:
>
>
>1. "Create a tiddler called $:/state/sidebar and give it the text 
>"no". Or just save the wiki while the sidebar is hidden" : 
>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/Tiddlywiki/bkdncOadqZg/mAoUbLrSHLUJ 
>2. Full-proof method: 
>https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Hiding%20The%20Sidebar%20On%20Startup
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to have it default to showing my tiddlers instead of it 
>> currently defaulting to showing the sidebar?
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then 
>>> click on it to see your tiddlers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:

 After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead 
 of showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?

 On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
> here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, 
> which is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>


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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Hey, thanks! :)

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:55:09 AM UTC+9, Abraham Samma wrote:
>
> Wow, where has this been all my life? Kudos JD. Your plugin is IMHO the 
> best thing that can happen to TW5!
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 5:04:06 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

Wow, I've forgotten about the subreddit! When I first started using TW5 
that's where I usually looked for information. The trouble I had with it 
is, it's mostly just plugin-posts, not much discussion (actual discussion 
is probably hard to do there). Is the subreddit more of a plugin directory?

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 3:14:57 AM UTC+9, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> We do have a Reddit... (Cheers again Riz)

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[tw] Re: Possible bug in TiddlyFox

Hi Mark,

I am using FF 52.4 ESR with TiddlyFox 2.0.2 on Windows 10 64 bit. No issues 
whatsoever.

Cheers,

Alfonso

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:29:42 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I know at this point this may seem like worrying about a design failure in 
> a buggy whip, but I may have detected a bug in TiddlyFox 2 when used with 
> FF ESR 52+ (and probably all versions of FF before FF56).
>
> The little kitty stands on a ball that is slightly blue -- until you move 
> it to it's own window. Then the ball greys out. Clicking on the kitty just 
> brings up a small blank screen. More importantly, the TiddlyWiki doesn't 
> save.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

So ... couldn't you just upgrade to the most recent TWC and then use it 
with TiddlyDesktop?

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On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:30:56 PM UTC-8, iain wrote:
>
> Why would you not want to use TW Desktop for TWC? Personally if TWC could 
> be used with TW Desktop that would be my preferred solution as it 
> eliminates the issues with FF  and I want to use TWC locally anyway.
>
>
> On Saturday, 18 November 2017 06:52:04 UTC+11, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>>
>> For everyone that still use TWC, I recommend do not use TiddlyDesktop 
>> (any version).
>>
>> I use TWC daily due to a couple of TW's that cannot be converted to TW5 
>> TW's due to the extensive use of customization and plugins and large amount 
>> of data.
>>
>> The best solution to me is to have a portable version of an old version 
>> of FF for exclusive use of these TWC TW's. This version is very small, 
>> super fast, does not messes with other programs or options, and may run out 
>> of an USB. The only caveats are that it cannot be run with another FF 
>> version at the same time, and cannot open TW5 TW's.
>>
>> Download the FF portable, almost any language you want, from:
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Ed./Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Edition%203.6.28/
>>
>> You may also want to visit:
>> https://portableapps.com
>>
>> Alfonso
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

I shouldn't have said "created". I should have said "invoked". All you do 
is make a tiddler containing <> (after loading the previously 
attached json)

Good luck,
Mark

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:35:23 PM UTC-8, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I would be curious what it reports.
>>
>
> I'm sorry Mark, I cannot report because I do not know how to make 
> macros. I have a lot to learn; step by step…
>
> Thank you. 
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> eta soilik hartzaileari zuzentzen zaizkie. Mezu hau hutsegitez jasoz gero 
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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-17 Thread iain

Why would you not want to use TW Desktop for TWC? Personally if TWC could 
be used with TW Desktop that would be my preferred solution as it 
eliminates the issues with FF  and I want to use TWC locally anyway.


On Saturday, 18 November 2017 06:52:04 UTC+11, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> For everyone that still use TWC, I recommend do not use TiddlyDesktop (any 
> version).
>
> I use TWC daily due to a couple of TW's that cannot be converted to TW5 
> TW's due to the extensive use of customization and plugins and large amount 
> of data.
>
> The best solution to me is to have a portable version of an old version of 
> FF for exclusive use of these TWC TW's. This version is very small, super 
> fast, does not messes with other programs or options, and may run out of an 
> USB. The only caveats are that it cannot be run with another FF version at 
> the same time, and cannot open TW5 TW's.
>
> Download the FF portable, almost any language you want, from:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Ed./Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Edition%203.6.28/
>
> You may also want to visit:
> https://portableapps.com
>
> Alfonso
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap on desktop: editor not displayed in mobile mode

2017-11-17 Thread Eneko Gotzon

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I would be curious what it reports.
>

I'm sorry Mark, I cannot report because I do not know how to make macros.
I have a lot to learn; step by step…

Thank you.
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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

Thanks for your prompt answer, BJ,

However, my default Firefox download directory is the same as my Windows 
download directory. The issue is still there...

Cheers,

Alfonso

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi Alfonso,
> It is not the windows download directory but the default directory set in 
> the firefox configuation, which is set in the firefox preferences.
>
> I am not planing adding any extra backup options at the moment, but Mario 
> has a different saving scheme - 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/19LF5KynLAc/9nEybNVXCAAJ
>
> cheers
> BJ
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

2017-11-17 Thread FFT

I found the answer via a previous posting by Jeremy:

"Create a tiddler called $:/state/sidebar and give it the text "no". Or 
just save the wiki while the sidebar is hidden"

link to Jeremy's answer: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/Tiddlywiki/bkdncOadqZg/mAoUbLrSHLUJ

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>
> Is there a way to have it default to showing my tiddlers instead of it 
> currently defaulting to showing the sidebar?
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then 
>> click on it to see your tiddlers.
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>>>
>>> After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
>>> showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:

 Hello everyone :)

 I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
 finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
 here:

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
 is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 

 I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
 things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
 I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
 tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)

 I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 

>>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

2017-11-17 Thread FFT

Is there a way to have it default to showing my tiddlers instead of it 
currently defaulting to showing the sidebar?

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then 
> click on it to see your tiddlers.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>>
>> After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
>> showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then click 
on it to see your tiddlers.

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>
> After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
> showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

Hi Folks,

Just released a new version: 
https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases  with: 

   - TiddlyWiki Classic is supported now.
   - "savetiddlers" is detected. ATM "There can be only one" ;)

have fun!

mario

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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-17 Thread BJ

Hi Alfonso,
It is not the windows download directory but the default directory set in 
the firefox configuation, which is set in the firefox preferences.

I am not planing adding any extra backup options at the moment, but Mario 
has a different saving scheme - 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/19LF5KynLAc/9nEybNVXCAAJ

cheers
BJ

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:52:55 PM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> Thanks for the extensions, BJ,
>
 

>
> Tested on Windows 10
>
> On Chrome 62.0 it works fine.
>
> On Firefox 57.0, it works though not straightforward. I always the 
> following message: "TW not in tiddlywikilocations within the download 
> directory.
>  using default download directory" which is not true, and have to select 
> the tiddlywikilocations directory (under my default Downloads directory) 
> manually.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Second thoughts: any way there may be more than one backup file per day?
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

2017-11-17 Thread FFT

After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Datebook or Journal for the new year

2017-11-17 Thread Greg Davis

That time of year again so, continuing on the topic of calendars, I took a 
different approach this year. This time a simple picture calendar with 
tabs. Nothing fancy with macros or templates. Again used BJ's Calendar 
Plugin.

Quick reminders or maybe quotes or verses might be added. The area for the 
picture is very limited, but if you don't mind hiding the Sidebar then much 
large pictures could be used.

Sorry, not for small portrait screens.

You can find it here: http://tabbed-calendar.tiddlyspot.com

Have fun,
Greg

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[tw] Possible bug in TiddlyFox

I know at this point this may seem like worrying about a design failure in 
a buggy whip, but I may have detected a bug in TiddlyFox 2 when used with 
FF ESR 52+ (and probably all versions of FF before FF56).

The little kitty stands on a ball that is slightly blue -- until you move 
it to it's own window. Then the ball greys out. Clicking on the kitty just 
brings up a small blank screen. More importantly, the TiddlyWiki doesn't 
save.

Thanks!
Mark

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

Or just open up a command shell terminal.

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 1:10:46 PM UTC-8, Furicle wrote:
>
> mklink is internal to cmd apparently - see 
> https://learn-powershell.net/2013/07/16/creating-a-symbolic-link-using-powershell/
>
> Use 
> cmd.exe /c mklink.exe
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:27:04 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>>
>> Hi mark, 
>>
>> This info works very well. I'll include it in the addOn docs. 
>>
>> The important thing is that the "mklink" command is only available with 
>> cmd.exe ... powershell doesn't know it, or it may be a different one. 
>>
>> have fun!
>> mario
>>
>
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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

Thanks for the extensions, BJ,

Tested on Windows 10

On Chrome 62.0 it works fine.

On Firefox 57.0, it works though not straightforward. I always the 
following message: "TW not in tiddlywikilocations within the download 
directory.
 using default download directory" which is not true, and have to select 
the tiddlywikilocations directory (under my default Downloads directory) 
manually.

Any clues?

Second thoughts: any way there may be more than one backup file per day?

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[tw] Re: A Rant

The main thing that I don't like about reddit is that it seems to have been 
built as a forum for debate. The problem is, you can't re-edit an item. 
This seems a bit limiting.

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On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:45:47 AM UTC-8, Riz wrote:
>
> Thank you Ste. 
>
> Yes, we do have reddit. Much of the features demanded in the couple of 
> threads have been met in there. For eg: 
>
> 1) It is free.
> 2) We can tag and categorize the posts. We can also tag/flair users. If 
> you click on a tag,  it will show all the posts with same tag.  Especially 
> useful if you want to check out some things like "what all plugins are 
> available to TW5". 
> 3) We can have multiple community moderaters with different levels of 
> access.  
> 4) A sidebar with relevant intoductionary information and important links. 
> 5) A wiki,  the editing access of which can be made open to all or 
> multiple. authorised personnel. 
>
>
> It is all there. We do keep it updated with major announcements from the 
> group. So if you are interested in TW5 enough to stay up to date,  but do 
> not want to be bothered by each and every post in the group,  you  can 
> either add http://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5 to your rss feed. If you 
> are a redditor,  wowsie,  do subscribe it. 
>
> Things are bit quite in there is the issue.  We could use a hand,  mostly 
> if you care to announce your works in there along with the group. It will 
> be easier for people to find your work in reddit rather than in here. 
>
> draco dormiens nunquam titillandus
> Riz
>
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

For everyone that still use TWC, I recommend do not use TiddlyDesktop (any 
version).

I use TWC daily due to a couple of TW's that cannot be converted to TW5 
TW's due to the extensive use of customization and plugins and large amount 
of data.

The best solution to me is to have a portable version of an old version of 
FF for exclusive use of these TWC TW's. This version is very small, super 
fast, does not messes with other programs or options, and may run out of an 
USB. The only caveats are that it cannot be run with another FF version at 
the same time, and cannot open TW5 TW's.

Download the FF portable, almost any language you want, from:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Ed./Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Edition%203.6.28/

You may also want to visit:
https://portableapps.com

Alfonso

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 6:16:46 PM UTC+1, Shay Shaked wrote:
>
> ... but then TW is not exactly WikiText
>

That's right. TiddlyWiki has its own syntax. The TiddlyWiki syntax, which 
has much more possibilities than most other wiki system. 

TiddlyWiki wikitext exists since 2004. That's much longer then many other 
wiki systems. ... But as so often, it's not the the most powerfull 
wikitext, "that dominates the world". It's the one, that is "just good 
enough" to be usefull. ... 

Did anyone build a TW extension to pandoc perhaps? 
>

I don't know one. 

> Can this be done?
>

Sure, If someone, who knows how to program in Haskell, does it.  

-mario

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:16:23 PM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> DSynchronize works pretty good for me. I am synchronizing the 
> Downloads/MyWikis directory with the Dropbox/Apps/Quine directory so I may 
> work on my iPhone/iPad anytime, anywhere.
>
> The interface is fine. What does the "Open Dashboard" do? It does nothing 
> to me when I click it.
>

It once was needed. But I don't have a Dashboard anymore. I'll probably 
remove it with a "Visit the Homepage" or something like this :)

-m

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

DSynchronize works pretty good for me. I am synchronizing the 
Downloads/MyWikis directory with the Dropbox/Apps/Quine directory so I may 
work on my iPhone/iPad anytime, anywhere.

The interface is fine. What does the "Open Dashboard" do? It does nothing 
to me when I click it.

Alfonso

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 7:58:31 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
>
> Let us know, how it works out. ... Would be interesting.
>
> -m
>

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[tw] Live latex code display

2017-11-17 Thread Ste Wilson

I've no idea of this is any use to anyone but in my tinkering a to try and 
produce automatic marked but randomly generated maths problems (mostly on hold 
due to being far too busy but have a look here 
stephenteachertests.tiddlyspot.com/#Latex%20Display 

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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

2017-11-17 Thread Birthe C

Hi Ton,

Thank you for testing this again. It made me realise that the problem I had 
probably had to do with my import of passwords from another browser. I had 
totally forgotten about that. The first upload success I experienced was a 
new TW ;-)- Thank you, everything works now as expected.

Birthe


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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

Hi Mark

Thanks for your info and in particular your initial question. This made me 
go back and look again at the options. I have decided that for these two 
TW, I will use TiddlyDesktop. This is working well so far.
I am finding the information in this thread very useful.

Cheers
Andrew Mc

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:17:39 PM UTC+13, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Which method of saving are you intending to use?
>
> For default saving, your file has to go in the browser downloads directory 
> OR, if you change setting to "ask each time" you can save anywhere.
>
> But, if you save with default saving without "ask each time" each save 
> will be made like file(1), file(2), etc. Which means when you restart your 
> browser you will need to find the last file(x) and launch that one.
>
> If you use BJ or Mario's save plugin, then for BJ's your file location is 
>
> /tiddlywikilocations/file or
> /tiddlywikilocations//file
>
> and for Mario's it's 
>
> //file   or
> ///file
>
> This sounds limiting, but you can put a symbolic link (linux) or a 
> junction (windows) in  which can point to anywhere else 
> on your hard drive.
>
> You can find information for making symbolic links (linux) or junctions 
> (windows) on line. I don't know what kinds of links are available for Macs, 
> but I assume they have them also.
>
> Hopefully this clears things a little,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:29:23 PM UTC-8, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I decided to create two new local tiddlywikis last night. It has been a 
>> long while (several years) since I last did this and I was immediately 
>> confused by the options in GettingStarted. 
>> Do I put the TW files in any local folder? Or, do I need to keep them in 
>> the Firefox download folder (or sub-folder within that)?
>>
>> I have seen mention of using links; while I do use Ubuntu Linux, I 
>> haven't actually created symlinks before and am not sure how they would 
>> apply with TW.
>> I also use Windows 7 and Android (and possibly Windows 10) for reading my 
>> TW, so this just adds to my stress whereby I may need a different setup in 
>> each operating system environment.
>>
>> Like some others in this thread, I would appreciate some guidance.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew Mc
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:55:37 AM UTC+13, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao BJ
>>>
>>> Right. Its very close to how FF used to be (and good) and also wider. 
>>>
>>> The issue is that someone hitting TW now using won't automatically know 
>>> its very relevant. 
>>>
>>> I was wondering WHICH of the sixteen options are universal. Your saver 
>>> looks close. But how do we let folk know what is least complex and workable?
>>>
>>>
>>> BJ wrote:

 I wrote savetiddlers to work the same as tiddlyfox - it has a one click 
 install. The extra step is that you must create a directory in the 
 downloads dirrectory called 'tiddlywikilocations' and move your 
 tiddlywikis 
 there. 
 BJ

>>>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Riz

Thank you Ste.

Yes, we do have reddit. Much of the features demanded in the couple of threads
have been met in there. For eg:

1) It is free.
2) We can tag and categorize the posts. We can also tag/flair users. If you
click on a tag, it will show all the posts with same tag. Especially useful
if you want to check out some things like "what all plugins are available to
TW5".
3) We can have multiple community moderaters with different levels of access.
4) A sidebar with relevant intoductionary information and important links.
5) A wiki, the editing access of which can be made open to all or multiple.
authorised personnel.

It is all there. We do keep it updated with major announcements from the group.
So if you are interested in TW5 enough to stay up to date, but do not want to
be bothered by each and every post in the group, you can either add
http://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5 to your rss feed. If you are a redditor,
wowsie, do subscribe it.

Things are bit quite in there is the issue. We could use a hand, mostly if
you care to announce your works in there along with the group. It will be
easier for people to find your work in reddit rather than in here.

draco dormiens nunquam titillandus
Riz

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop messages in Linux terminal - should I be worried?

Thanks Jed. Yes, TiddlyDesktop seems to be doing everything expected of it 
so I feel more relaxed about ignoring the messages.

Cheers
Andrew Mc

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:42:53 PM UTC+13, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I don't work on tiddlydesktop but those don't look like they are anything 
> to worry about. Software development is always a moving target for things 
> like this and you get messages like that as the platforms change as you are 
> developing for them. They will probably be addressed in future updates but 
> they don't look like anything that would affect you use of tiddlydesktop.
>

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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

Hi Ton

Good suggestion. I used Chrome and the local TW saved successfully to 
TiddlySpot.

Cheers
Andrew Mc

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:51:20 PM UTC+13, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Try Chrome instead of Firefox.
> Yesterday I upgraded all my guides at Tiddlyspot without a problem.
>
> Linux Mint 17.3, Chrome 62
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:22:38 AM UTC+1, AndrewMc wrote:
>>
>> I have entered my correct wiki name and password in the TiddlySpot Saver 
>> settings and then tried multiple times to save but just cannot save my 
>> upgraded TW to TiddlySpot. 
>> After opening the TW on TiddlySpot, I saved a local copy (by removing the 
>> password). After opening the local copy, I was also unable to save this 
>> version back to TiddlySpot.
>> I am using Firefox 57 on Ubuntu 16.04.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew Mc
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:07:52 PM UTC+13, AndrewMc wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I did try that, but was not successful. I will try again once I am 
>>> back at my home computer.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrew Mc
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 11:38:30 PM UTC+13, JD wrote:

 Hello, have you tried going to *Control Panel* >> *Saving* >> *TiddlySpot 
 Saver* ? Just input your Wiki Name and Password there, and then save. 
 That's how I did it.

 On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 5:01:21 PM UTC+9, AndrewMc wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I have a TW hosted on TiddlySpot that uses TW version 5.1.14. Now that 
> version 5.1.15 has been released, I would like to upgrade.
> I have followed the instructions at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading 
> and now have an upgraded version of the TW saved on my local drive.
>
> My problem is, how do I get my upgraded local TW onto TiddlySpot?
> Or, can I avoid creating a local file and somehow upgrade TW on 
> TiddlySpot directly?
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Mc
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: A Rant

There's TW5's github repository wiki.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:11 PM, JD  wrote:

> This has been mentioned before, but couldn't the community agree to use a
> different, multi-user wiki for the help file, or manual, or
> watchamacallit... At least, while TW5 remains single-user and incapable of
> that task?
>
> I'm thinking of wiki-how and fandom community wikis, for example, whose
> contents get filled so easily. Very entry-level, with links to related
> Google Groups threads and permalinks to popular personally-maintained
> tiddlywikis, while a simpler write-up hasn't been written in yet by a
> contributor...
>
> Apologies if this is an ignorant question.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 12:58:57 AM UTC+9, Furicle wrote:
>>
>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a
>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>
>> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting
>> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>>
>>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It
>>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it 
>> to use
>>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>>
>>
>>- TW Desktop
>>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, exactly?
>>   Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch something labelled
>>   nw.exe?
>>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or
>>   off screen, most of the time
>>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get
>>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>>- Node.js
>>   - No Windows instructions
>>
>> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>>
>>
>> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  I'm
>> not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>>
>> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can
>> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>>
>> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at usability
>> if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>>
>>
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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Ste Wilson

We do have a Reddit... (Cheers again Riz)

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[tw] Re: A Rant

This has been mentioned before, but couldn't the community agree to use a 
different, multi-user wiki for the help file, or manual, or 
watchamacallit... At least, while TW5 remains single-user and incapable of 
that task? 

I'm thinking of wiki-how and fandom community wikis, for example, whose 
contents get filled so easily. Very entry-level, with links to related 
Google Groups threads and permalinks to popular personally-maintained 
tiddlywikis, while a simpler write-up hasn't been written in yet by a 
contributor...

Apologies if this is an ignorant question.


On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 12:58:57 AM UTC+9, Furicle wrote:
>
> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>
> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>
>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It 
>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it to 
> use 
>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>   
>
>- TW Desktop
>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, exactly?  
>   Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch something labelled 
>   nw.exe?
>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or 
>   off screen, most of the time
>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get 
>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>- Node.js
>   - No Windows instructions
>
> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>
>
> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  I'm 
> not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>
> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can 
> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>
> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at usability 
> if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to save with Firefox Quantum - WebDAV


PR #3017 

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 1:56:56 AM UTC-8, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>  I got a new computer at work and quickly installed Firefox.
> Of course it was Quantum and now TiddlyFox doesn't work anymore.
>
> I looked at https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted:GettingStarted to find 
> alternatives.
>
> While I think Mario's file-backup is quite good, I didn't like that I have 
> to click on the "diamond" to save instead of what I used to do.
>
> Then I saw: Saving via WebDAV
>
> Since I'm a customer of gmx and I know that their MediaCenter is 
> accessible via WebDAV, I simply tried it.
>
> I created a wiki folder in my media center and put an empty.html there.
>
> Then I opened https://webdav.mc.gmx.net/wiki/empty.html
>
> I was asked for my gmx username and password and - Voilá - I'm there.
>
> I then created a new tiddler and saved it.
>
> Then I went to another browser and opened the same URL there.
>
> It worked.
>
> So good news is: The information on tiddlywiki.com
>
> Free Hosting
>>
>> None of the WebDAV hosting services tested (box.com, swissdisk.com) 
>> support accessing HTML files via a webbrowser, so they won't work with 
>> TiddlyWiki. Maybe someday soon there will be a free WebDAV hosting service 
>> for TiddlyWikis. 
>>
>
> can be enhanced with: gmx mediacenter works. And it's free (2GB).
>
>

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[tw] pandoc and markdown to TW format

2017-11-17 Thread Shay Shaked

So I installed the markdown plugin, works ok, but the problem is that it 
doesn't play nice inside TW. some markings (like strikethrough) and my own 
Macros, highlight to text, journal entries and the like do not play nice in 
TW. So, I was looking at pandoc to help me convert markdown to WikiText, 
which exists, but then TW is not exactly WikiText

Did anyone build a TW extension to pandoc perhaps? Can this be done? Or, is 
there a plugin to TW that understands WikiText? 

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Wow, where has this been all my life? Kudos JD. Your plugin is IMHO the 
best thing that can happen to TW5!

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 5:04:06 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

Actually you can't save with Ctl-S. If you do the resulting file will be 
corrupted. You have to use the Save checkmark button inside of TW. 

Good luck --
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On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:03:26 AM UTC-8, Guille Rmo wrote:
>
> Hi Furicle. I understand you are not a develope and thus you have a hard 
> time using docker, node.js, etc. 
> However, TW5 is actually easy to use without servers and development 
> tools. 
> You just save the web page with ctrl + s and then you open it again. 
> As simple as that. 
> This is one of the most important goals of this app's, a serverless one 
> page, one file application that won't need external tools, other than a 
> modern browser.
>
>
> El miércoles, 15 de noviembre de 2017, 9:58:57 (UTC-6), Furicle escribió:
>>
>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>
>> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
>> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>>
>>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It 
>>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it 
>> to use 
>>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>>   
>>
>>- TW Desktop
>>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, exactly?  
>>   Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch something labelled 
>>   nw.exe?
>>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or 
>>   off screen, most of the time
>>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get 
>>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>>- Node.js
>>   - No Windows instructions
>>
>> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>>
>>
>> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  I'm 
>> not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>>
>> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can 
>> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>>
>> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at usability 
>> if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

*Reposting with fixes:*

Which method of saving are you intending to use?

For *default saving*, your file has to go in the browser downloads
directory OR, if you change setting to "ask each time" you can save
anywhere.

But, if you save with default saving without "ask each time" each save will
be made like file(1), file(2), etc. Which means when you restart your
browser you will need to find the last file(x) and launch that one.

If you use *BJ or Mario's save plugin*, then for *BJ's* plugin
(https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers) your file location is

*/tiddlywikilocations/file *or

*/tiddlywikilocations//file*

and for *Mario's* plugin
(https://github.com/pmario/file-backups#installation) it's

*//file *or
*///file*

This sounds limiting, but you can put a symbolic link (linux) or a junction
(windows) in which can point to anywhere else on your
hard drive.

You can find information for making symbolic links (linux) or junctions
(windows) on line. I don't know what kinds of links are available for Macs,
but I assume they have them also.

Hopefully this clears things a little,
>
> Mark
>
>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

Seconded

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:12:27 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Do you guys think it would be useful to move this discussion to 
> github under a "Improve New User Onboarding Experience" issue? That way we 
> can have a larger discussion and perhaps generate some action items?
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:03:26 AM UTC-6, Guille Rmo wrote:
>>
>> Hi Furicle. I understand you are not a develope and thus you have a hard 
>> time using docker, node.js, etc. 
>> However, TW5 is actually easy to use without servers and development 
>> tools. 
>> You just save the web page with ctrl + s and then you open it again. 
>> As simple as that. 
>> This is one of the most important goals of this app's, a serverless one 
>> page, one file application that won't need external tools, other than a 
>> modern browser.
>>
>>
>> El miércoles, 15 de noviembre de 2017, 9:58:57 (UTC-6), Furicle escribió:
>>>
>>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
>>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>>
>>> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
>>> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>>> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>>>
>>>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>>>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It 
>>>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it 
>>> to use 
>>>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>>>   
>>>
>>>- TW Desktop
>>>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, 
>>>   exactly?  Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch 
>>> something 
>>>   labelled nw.exe?
>>>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or 
>>>   off screen, most of the time
>>>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get 
>>>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>>>- Node.js
>>>   - No Windows instructions
>>>
>>> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>>>
>>>
>>> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  
>>> I'm not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>>>
>>> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can 
>>> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at 
>>> usability if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to save with Firefox Quantum - WebDAV

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 2:52:01 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> Am Freitag, 17. November 2017 12:46:45 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>>
>> There is no need to click on the diamond. That's just the configuration 
>> UI. Everything else is almost like TiddlyFox. 
>> Have a look at the video: https://youtu.be/dt-nH9jSQ6c
>>
>> I should have done that earlier.
>

:)
 

> So note from an user: Put back in the "Annoying" first alert box but with 
> a more explicit text.
>

I actually want to have a better info directly in TiddlyWiki. Similar to 
the one, you get if you install plugins. 


but with a different text. For this to work we need to improve the 
communication between TiddlyFox saver and the backend. There is a PR 
pending. So the next TW version may have much better UX here. 

I think, I will like your extension!
>

I hope so :)

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

I stress the word WORK IN PROGRESS.

https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/e387d7fe/empty.html


On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:21:29 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Could you share that manual? Im very interested in using it!
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-6, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 but it is not insurmountable.
>>
>> Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
>> among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
>> providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
>> takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
>> it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
>> most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
>> is encouraging.
>>
>> I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
>> will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
>> You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
>> himself using those first principles.
>>
>> This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>>>
>>> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
>>> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
>>> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
>>> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
>>> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
>>> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>>>
>>> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
>>> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
>>> use. What do you guys think? 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Ciao Jeremy

 The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
 hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 

 BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
 web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."

 The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is 
 not so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think 
 PART of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all 
 the OTHER stuff FF did too.

 In mourning
 Josiah 

 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
> nw.js rather than Electron.
>


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[tw] Helping savetiddlers documentation

Hi all

Just a couple recommendations for the documentation at
https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers, as non-technical Dave tries to wrap
his head around this and runs into hiccups along the way. I started with
Chrome, gave up, and tried again, successfully, with Firefox. I did not go
back and use what I had learned in the Firefox process to see if Chrome
worked for me.

1. The current documentation made me think the tiddlywikilocations folder
had to be in the (in my case, Windows) Downloads directory. But after
experimenting it seems that what is meant is that it has to be in whatever
directory the user has told their browser to download files to (in my case,
the desktop). You could save new users some grief by clearing that up.

2. There is a spelling error 'Dowload' in both the Firefox and Chromium
instructions. Minor thing, but when new users are trying to slavishly
follow instructions, this is the kind of thing that gives them some anxiety.

3. Chrome was giving me warnings telling me to Disable developer mode
extensions. It looks as if this popup will come up everytime I open the
file. You should address that in the documentation.

4. You should maybe explain the default behavior: eg this for Firefox:
"savetiddlers will then overwrite the file in the tiddlywikilocations
folder, and if you have specified backups to be made, those backups will
appear in the folder where you specified them to be created."

Hope that helps with onboarding a little. Blessings.

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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Diego Mesa

Do you guys think it would be useful to move this discussion to 
github under a "Improve New User Onboarding Experience" issue? That way we 
can have a larger discussion and perhaps generate some action items?

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:03:26 AM UTC-6, Guille Rmo wrote:
>
> Hi Furicle. I understand you are not a develope and thus you have a hard 
> time using docker, node.js, etc. 
> However, TW5 is actually easy to use without servers and development 
> tools. 
> You just save the web page with ctrl + s and then you open it again. 
> As simple as that. 
> This is one of the most important goals of this app's, a serverless one 
> page, one file application that won't need external tools, other than a 
> modern browser.
>
>
> El miércoles, 15 de noviembre de 2017, 9:58:57 (UTC-6), Furicle escribió:
>>
>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>
>> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
>> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>>
>>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It 
>>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it 
>> to use 
>>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>>   
>>
>>- TW Desktop
>>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, exactly?  
>>   Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch something labelled 
>>   nw.exe?
>>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or 
>>   off screen, most of the time
>>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get 
>>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>>- Node.js
>>   - No Windows instructions
>>
>> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>>
>>
>> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  I'm 
>> not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>>
>> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can 
>> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>>
>> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at usability 
>> if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Testers needed for new save extension 'savetiddlers'

2017-11-17 Thread 'JM' via TiddlyWiki

WFM - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:57.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/57.0, 
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, using a symlink.

Thank you!

Am Mittwoch, 15. November 2017 22:12:45 UTC+1 schrieb BJ:
>
> I am just testing a new release, it should be ready within the hour.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:50:41 PM UTC+1, JM wrote:
>>
>> Worked out fine on Win10 Prof, FF 56.* and 57 - I used a junction, too.
>>
>> Today I wanted to give it a try on Ubuntu 16.10, but unfortunately the 
>> add-on is not accessible due to a technical problem with the add-on itself. 
>> :-(
>>
>> I'm a bit lucky that Ubuntu still offers FF 56.* *and* I am willing to 
>> do some alpha- or beta-testing. ;-)
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 7. November 2017 20:30:39 UTC+1 schrieb BJ:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that 'savetidders' (formerly bsaver) is about finished, and 
>>> needs some testings on different platforms. So I would be grateful if 
>>> people could try it. Remember don't use your own tiddlywikis  for testing 
>>> this extension!!!
>>>
>>> The install instructions are here: 
>>> https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Oh! I see. I didn't realize I needed to regenerate a table to get custom 
values. The custom values can be plugged in without increasing the icon 
size (I think). So that's great!

Thanks!
Mark

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:58:17 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>
> Sure, I'll add another font-increase level for 1.0.1 :)
>
> For the meantime, is 'Customize fonts and heights' not working properly in 
> your browser? I've only ever tested this plugin on Chrome and IE so I've no 
> idea if other browsers have compatibility issues
>
> Also, I'll look into that fullscreen bug. I tried replicating that problem 
> on Chrome for Android and yep, there's a bug! This might be due to a 
> missing syntax in a plugin tiddler somewhere... 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:02:02 AM UTC+9, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Hello JD,
>>
>> It's looking very nice!
>>
>> On my aging tablet, there seems to be a bug. I have it on the highest 
>> font level. When I press the "full-screen" button, the scrolling works 
>> great and I no longer have that annoying flicker at the top as the url bar 
>> scrolls down. BUT -- I can't change back by hitting the full-screen button 
>> again. All the buttons on the bottom seem to be turned off except save and 
>> new tiddler. If I save and then scroll down a little a blank opens at the 
>> top of the screen and then I can activate the full-screen button.
>>
>> Is there any possibility you could add one more level of font-increase? 
>> (He says groping around the desk for a pair of glasses that was just there 
>> a minute ago...)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>>
>>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>>
>>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>>   or hidden
>>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>>> *controls 
>>>area* and *titlebar*
>>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>>> stylesheet 
>>>option)
>>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>>- 
>>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>>
>>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:

 Hello everyone :)

 I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
 finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
 here:

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
 is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 

 I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
 things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
 I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
 tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)

 I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 

>>>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Guille Rmo

Hi Furicle. I understand you are not a develope and thus you have a hard 
time using docker, node.js, etc. 
However, TW5 is actually easy to use without servers and development tools. 
You just save the web page with ctrl + s and then you open it again. 
As simple as that. 
This is one of the most important goals of this app's, a serverless one 
page, one file application that won't need external tools, other than a 
modern browser.


El miércoles, 15 de noviembre de 2017, 9:58:57 (UTC-6), Furicle escribió:
>
> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>
> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>
>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It 
>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it to 
> use 
>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>   
>
>- TW Desktop
>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, exactly?  
>   Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch something labelled 
>   nw.exe?
>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or 
>   off screen, most of the time
>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get 
>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>- Node.js
>   - No Windows instructions
>
> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>
>
> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  I'm 
> not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>
> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can 
> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>
> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at usability 
> if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Diego Mesa

Could you share that manual? Im very interested in using it!

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-6, Abraham Samma wrote:
>
> Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 but it is not insurmountable.
>
> Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
> among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
> providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
> takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
> it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
> most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
> is encouraging.
>
> I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
> will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
> You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
> himself using those first principles.
>
> This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>>
>> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
>> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
>> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
>> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
>> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
>> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>>
>> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
>> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
>> use. What do you guys think? 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Jeremy
>>>
>>> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
>>> hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>>>
>>> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
>>> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>>>
>>> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is 
>>> not so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think 
>>> PART of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all 
>>> the OTHER stuff FF did too.
>>>
>>> In mourning
>>> Josiah 
>>>
>>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
 nw.js rather than Electron.

>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to save with Firefox Quantum - WebDAV

2017-11-17 Thread Stephan Hradek



Am Freitag, 17. November 2017 12:46:45 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>
>
> There is no need to click on the diamond. That's just the configuration 
> UI. Everything else is almost like TiddlyFox. 
>
> Have a look at the video: https://youtu.be/dt-nH9jSQ6c
>
> I should have done that earlier.

So note from an user: Put back in the "Annoying" first alert box but with a 
more explicit text.

I think, I will like your extension!

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Re: [tw] A Rant

Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 users but it is not 
insurmountable.

Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
is encouraging.

I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
himself using those first principles.

This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>
> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>
> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
> use. What do you guys think? 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Jeremy
>>
>> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
>> hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>>
>> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
>> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>>
>> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
>> so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
>> of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
>> OTHER stuff FF did too.
>>
>> In mourning
>> Josiah 
>>
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
>>> nw.js rather than Electron.
>>>
>>

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[tw] Modifying TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-17 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki

The Firefox Apocalypse (well done whoever dreamed up that phrase) has 
prompted me to start looking at TiddlyDesktop more closely. One thing that 
isn't clear at all is how to modify it. I know. I know. There's the help 
file but I didn't find it very helpful. 

So, as a start, let me get very specific. Suppose I wanted to get rid of 
the "Add a TiddlyWiki Folder" button. How would I do that? 

Or consider the "advanced" button. As close as I can tell, the only thing 
that does is display a "reveal backups" button. How would I change the 
"advanced" button to the "reveal backups" button. 

Or change the colors? 

Or change the order in which the tiddlers are listed (which appears to be 
alphabetical)?

Stephen

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:17:39 AM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> and for Mario's it's 
>
> //file   or
> ///file
>

With "file-backups" AddOn It can be: 

a) /file.html   or
b) //file.html   or
c) ///file.html   and so 
on.

I personally use option b) and link it with a windows directory link 
(junction).

-m

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[tw] Re: Yearning for ONE method ...

 probably OT ---

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 6:59:32 AM UTC+1, BJ wrote:
>
> actually the directory for "savetiddlers" is tiddlywikilocations. There 
> are more difference between mine and Mario's "file-backups" solution:
>
>   - savertiddlers works the same as tiddlyfox - it is a one click save - 
> with  "file-backups" there is a two click initial save for each tiddlywiki. 
>

You are right. .. but the 2 clicks are only needed the very first time a 
new TW is detected. 

This behaviour is only needed, since the browser doesn't give us the 
actually configured downloads directory. We need to save a file, to see, 
where it is saved, to be sure. 
This will be a feature request for the mozilla and chrome devs. ... I 
didn't create it yet, since I need to prepare a minimal test case, so they 
see, that this API is needed.

> Sometimes you may not want to move you tiddlywiki - savetiddlers does not 
> insist that you move all your tiddlywikis - it open a file choose dialogue 
> to choose a different location to save to, whereas  "file-backups" insists 
> that you move your tiddlywikis. 
>

That's not true. 

If you open a TW that is outside of the browser downloads directory it 
needs to insist, because we can only save to the downloads directory and 
its subdirectories. 
As long as a TW is opened inside the download dir, it is just saved. ... 
The 2 click initial save is still needed. See above. 

As I did review my own intro videos, I did see some workflow improvements, 
which are implemented atm but I didn't want to have a fixed directory 
structure like: tiddlywikilocations

> savetiddlers works with all versions of tiddlywiki, file-saver only works 
> with tiddlywiki5.
>

That's right. but TWclassic will follow soon.

> savatiddlers works with chrome (and other chromium based browsers) 
> file-backups does not.
>

That's right. I do intend to port it to Chrome, but that's low on my 
priority list. 

> savetiddlers has a once a day backup with date appended to name, 
> file-backup uses a rotational backup of files, with appending (A), (B) etc
>

That's right. And once this bug 
 is fixed in TW, we 
both will have much more interesting options to create "out of order" 
saves. Which can be managed entirely by users. 

I didn't want to start a competition with the file-backups AddOn, I just 
wanted to have a choice. 

The "tower of hanoi" backup rotation schema, is in my head for years, as an 
alternative for the LessBackupsPlugin from TWcalssic. Since the file names 
are 100% predictable, there is no need for any internal management 
algorithm, that can run out of sync. The only parameter, that is really 
important for the AddOn at the moment is the "save-counter". ... And if the 
above mentioned bug ist fixed, even this one can be eliminated. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-17 Thread Platykurtic

If you plan on using the savetiddlers add-in/extension & wish to use your 
existing TiddlyWiki central directory (I have a notes directory that I use 
for all my TiddlyWikis) then I recommend that you use the mklink command to 
create the tiddlywikilocations directory. By using a hard junction link 
from the original directory to tiddlywikilocations one can backup your 
tiddly wikis into Dropbox, Box, Google Drive etc. To establish the junction 
link run cmd.exe with administrator priviledges & enter the following 
command in Windows (adjusted for your directories' locations obviously.)

mklink /J "C:\Users\\Downloads\tiddlywikilocations" 
"C:\Users\\Dropbox\TiddlyWiki_Notes"

This will create the tiddlywikilocations directory (for user ) & saves 
of the various TiddlyWikis will now point back to the TiddlyWiki_Notes 
directory where (in this example) Dropbox will do it's thing. Of course one 
should 'open' the TiddlyWiki from the tiddlywikilocations directory (which 
will in fact open it from the TiddlyWiki_Notes directory.) Once this is 
set-up everything more or less runs similar to the old TiddlyFox add-in but 
with the new (and awesome) Firefox v57.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:56:14 PM UTC+1, dazel...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I found tiddly-saver here: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9984ShVVbbA and it 
> works quite well.
> Only negative point is that it requires a dedikated place to store the 
> TiddlyWiki.
>
> Am Samstag, 28. Oktober 2017 11:33:51 UTC+2 schrieb Norm Davis:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to save with Firefox Quantum - WebDAV

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:56:56 AM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>  I got a new computer at work and quickly installed Firefox.
> Of course it was Quantum and now TiddlyFox doesn't work anymore.
>
> I looked at https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted:GettingStarted to find 
> alternatives.
>
> While I think Mario's file-backup is quite good, I didn't like that I have 
> to click on the "diamond" to save instead of what I used to do.
>
> Then I saw: Saving via WebDAV
>


I did also create 3 videos about: How to use TiddlyWiki with IIS and WebDAV 
 
on your local system. 

The IIS Service, which is able to handle WebDav is part of every Windows 
system win7+ ... You just need to activate it. 
It allows up to 20 individual users on a small local network. More info 
found here 
: 

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Sure, I'll add another font-increase level for 1.0.1 :)

For the meantime, is 'Customize fonts and heights' not working properly in 
your browser? I've only ever tested this plugin on Chrome and IE so I've no 
idea if other browsers have compatibility issues

Also, I'll look into that fullscreen bug. I tried replicating that problem 
on Chrome for Android and yep, there's a bug! This might be due to a 
missing syntax in a plugin tiddler somewhere... 



On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:02:02 AM UTC+9, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hello JD,
>
> It's looking very nice!
>
> On my aging tablet, there seems to be a bug. I have it on the highest font 
> level. When I press the "full-screen" button, the scrolling works great and 
> I no longer have that annoying flicker at the top as the url bar scrolls 
> down. BUT -- I can't change back by hitting the full-screen button again. 
> All the buttons on the bottom seem to be turned off except save and new 
> tiddler. If I save and then scroll down a little a blank opens at the top 
> of the screen and then I can activate the full-screen button.
>
> Is there any possibility you could add one more level of font-increase? 
> (He says groping around the desk for a pair of glasses that was just there 
> a minute ago...)
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>   or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>> *controls 
>>area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>> stylesheet 
>>option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>
>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

Seems like there might be a missing syntax in a tiddler somewhere, i'll 
check each of them again! Any idea on the bug origin? 

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:00:02 AM UTC+9, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I've not upgraded that one yet so it's 5.1.14

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to save with Firefox Quantum - WebDAV

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 10:56:56 AM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>  I got a new computer at work and quickly installed Firefox.
> Of course it was Quantum and now TiddlyFox doesn't work anymore.
>
> I looked at https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted:GettingStarted to find 
> alternatives.
>
> While I think Mario's file-backup is quite good, I didn't like that I have 
> to click on the "diamond" to save instead of what I used to do.
>

There is no need to click on the diamond. That's just the configuration UI. 
Everything else is almost like TiddlyFox. 

Have a look at the video: https://youtu.be/dt-nH9jSQ6c

 

> Then I saw: Saving via WebDAV
> Since I'm a customer of gmx and I know that their MediaCenter is 
> accessible via WebDAV, I simply tried it.
> I created a wiki folder in my media center and put an empty.html there.
> Then I opened https://webdav.mc.gmx.net/wiki/empty.html
> I was asked for my gmx username and password and - Voilá - I'm there.
> I then created a new tiddler and saved it.
> Then I went to another browser and opened the same URL there.
> It worked.
> So good news is: The information on tiddlywiki.com
>
> Free Hosting
>>
>> None of the WebDAV hosting services tested (box.com, swissdisk.com) 
>> support accessing HTML files via a webbrowser, so they won't work with 
>> TiddlyWiki. Maybe someday soon there will be a free WebDAV hosting service 
>> for TiddlyWikis. 
>>
>
> can be enhanced with: gmx mediacenter works. And it's free (2GB).
>

That's a good info. ..

-mario

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[tw] Re: Upgrading TW5 on TiddlySpot

2017-11-17 Thread Birthe C

Hi Ton,

Interesting. I am also using Linux Mint 17.3 but Chromium Version 
62.0.3202.89. Right after tiddlyspot was working again, I uploaded with no 
problem. I got an opdate to Chromium and since then it has been difficult.

Birthe

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[tw] [TW5] How to save with Firefox Quantum - WebDAV

2017-11-17 Thread Stephan Hradek

 I got a new computer at work and quickly installed Firefox.
Of course it was Quantum and now TiddlyFox doesn't work anymore.

I looked at https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted:GettingStarted to find 
alternatives.

While I think Mario's file-backup is quite good, I didn't like that I have 
to click on the "diamond" to save instead of what I used to do.

Then I saw: Saving via WebDAV

Since I'm a customer of gmx and I know that their MediaCenter is accessible 
via WebDAV, I simply tried it.

I created a wiki folder in my media center and put an empty.html there.

Then I opened https://webdav.mc.gmx.net/wiki/empty.html

I was asked for my gmx username and password and - Voilá - I'm there.

I then created a new tiddler and saved it.

Then I went to another browser and opened the same URL there.

It worked.

So good news is: The information on tiddlywiki.com

Free Hosting
>
> None of the WebDAV hosting services tested (box.com, swissdisk.com) 
> support accessing HTML files via a webbrowser, so they won't work with 
> TiddlyWiki. Maybe someday soon there will be a free WebDAV hosting service 
> for TiddlyWikis. 
>

can be enhanced with: gmx mediacenter works. And it's free (2GB).

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[tw] Re: Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-17 Thread Sylvain Naudin

Yet Another Thread about GG ;)

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:23:15 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> While I support the idea of moving to a new forum I don't have much 
>> experience with any forums, but the french forums seem to work well.
>>
>
Since I offer this Discourse to french community, I indeed think that forum 
like Discourse can do the job like Google Groups do (post/reply email, 
multi-device, wiki, etc..) Since it's Stackoverflow creator, they have 
background to deal whith. And it's OpenSource.
It cost me 3€ per month. For a largeur audience, we could need more robust 
cloud serveur, but I think it's not the major problem.

Cheers,
Sylvain

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[tw] Re: Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-17 Thread Tristan Kohl

I don:t think we will need real-time chat at all as TW is about knowledge 
exchange and information which is usually not that time critical. A real 
forum would support way better search capabilities as topics are split up.

If we really want to chat like in a hangout I think a classic IRC (maybe 
with a webinterface for those without clients) would be the best option as 
anybody may participate whenever they want. My experience from i.e. 
WhatsApp groups is the big problem of noise created when the number of 
people grows beyond a specific threshold (~20). One can mute the chat but 
nonetheless messages are coming in and you loose track. With IRC you just 
don't start the client if you don't want to read it.

Plus it would be better for privacy as nobody has to share stuff like their 
phone number if they don't want to.

Just my two cents.

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:23:15 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> While I support the idea of moving to a new forum I don't have much 
> experience with any forums, but the french forums seem to work well.
> I am never going to use WhatsApp. If we need a real-time chat option I 
> would suggest matrix.
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop messages in Linux terminal - should I be worried?

2017-11-17 Thread Jed Carty

I don't work on tiddlydesktop but those don't look like they are anything 
to worry about. Software development is always a moving target for things 
like this and you get messages like that as the platforms change as you are 
developing for them. They will probably be addressed in future updates but 
they don't look like anything that would affect you use of tiddlydesktop.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop

2017-11-17 Thread TonyM

Try and import all the tiddlers from the old wiki into a new one and check it.

tony

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[tw] TiddlyDesktop messages in Linux terminal - should I be worried?