date:20171120

 Ah, I see now perhaps you mean the list field in *each* tiddler.

As Birthe Suggested, but also the whole listops widget etc... can be 
deployed in this effort.

Regards
Tony

 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Plugins Updated: ToDoNow and Listreveal

2017-11-20 Thread Arkady Grudzinsky

Thanks for the reply, Thomas.  I'll check out the cardo.wiki you pointed me 
to.   

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[tw] Re: A Rant

2017-11-20 Thread James A Bernard

As a short term work-a-round, try Waterfox, its like firefox but its 
keeping the plugins. Tiddlyfox work well.

>
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[tw] Re: Adjust the size of the list field

I may be able to help if I new what the "list field for all tiddlers" was.

Tony

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-20 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

There are plenty of solutions here, to this changg in browser security, 
some which are so close to tiddlyfox its amazing, however for my large TWC 
I use TiddlyDesktop.

I am now moving to TW5 but in a multi-wiki approach.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 1:34:00 PM UTC+11, George Jenner wrote:
>
> I have a giant TW Classic I don't want to upgrade, and it was broken 
> yesterday by Firefox upgrading itself (haven't been watching this group for 
> a while, so not warned!).  I've changed to Firefox ESR (version 52) and it 
> works again, and seems that Firefox ESR still gets security upgrades.  Not 
> a long term solution I suppose.
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-20 Thread George Jenner

I have a giant TW Classic I don't want to upgrade, and it was broken 
yesterday by Firefox upgrading itself (haven't been watching this group for 
a while, so not warned!).  I've changed to Firefox ESR (version 52) and it 
works again, and seems that Firefox ESR still gets security upgrades.  Not 
a long term solution I suppose.

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[tw] Adjust the size of the list field

Hi all

Is there a way to increase the height of the list field for all tiddlers? 
It's hard to paste list entries and reorder them when the field is so 
narrow. Years ago there was talk about it becoming a list that one could 
reorder by dragging, but that never happened. I will settle for a bigger 
window in which to view the list...

Blessings

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[tw] Re: How? Question for a feature on TobiBeer's site?

2017-11-20 Thread Birthe C

You see a title and under that title a ">>", that is the content of the 
summary field in the tiddler with the above title.
It is a difficult example to understand, at least it is for me, but to get 
closer to understanding I think you need to look at the fields in the 
linked example tiddlers. You will see the fields listfield and summary.

Birthe

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[tw] Re: How? Question for a feature on TobiBeer's site?

Robert,

The Title is (always) displayed in the view tiddler as a result of being 
tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate

$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title is displaying the title

Which has being edited, to use as a template for the 
title $:/.tb/ui/ViewTemplate/title

This contains the code you could be looking for but I am not sure if this 
is "published".

You can also use the prefix filter operator to do this as a typical list.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:42:27 AM UTC+11, Robert Barker wrote:
>
> Hello!  I'm relatively new to TiddlyWiki, and have been exploring the 
> various plugins, tips, examples on the various popular links.  However, one 
> item has me baffled (so to speak)...On TobiBeer's TW-5 plugins 
> site...example: (The tiddler title function, not the function described 
> within the example)
>
> http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#contains
>
> Some tiddlers with relation to a parent have a ">>" next to the title 
> which links to another untagged tiddler with the "parentname-childname".  I 
> like it, but cannot figure out how it functions?  Not the end of the world, 
> but figure I'm missing something...and after walking through a bunch of 
> others, I'm now determined to find out!
>
> The tiddler's title is Contains and displays as: "Contains >> Info | 
> Examples | Install", each linked to Contains-Info, Contains-Examples, 
> Contains-Install...
>
> Did I miss a "page"?
>
> Thanks!  
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw] How? Question for a feature on TobiBeer's site?

2017-11-20 Thread Robert Barker

Hello!  I'm relatively new to TiddlyWiki, and have been exploring the 
various plugins, tips, examples on the various popular links.  However, one 
item has me baffled (so to speak)...On TobiBeer's TW-5 plugins 
site...example: (The tiddler title function, not the function described 
within the example)

http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#contains

Some tiddlers with relation to a parent have a ">>" next to the title which 
links to another untagged tiddler with the "parentname-childname".  I like 
it, but cannot figure out how it functions?  Not the end of the world, but 
figure I'm missing something...and after walking through a bunch of others, 
I'm now determined to find out!

The tiddler's title is Contains and displays as: "Contains >> Info | 
Examples | Install", each linked to Contains-Info, Contains-Examples, 
Contains-Install...

Did I miss a "page"?

Thanks!  

Rob




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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

Josiah,

The following is possible more for my own understanding, but may help 
describe the situation.

When it comes to IMPLICIT rather than explicit there are hidden characters 
in any text be it new lines, a pair of new lines and more. It seems to me 
that along with some smart CSS determining if you can easily process an 
alternate markup can only be determined in its details, ie stepping through 
each of the detailed markup features and finding a way to display according 
the required standard. The idea would be to always retain the text in its 
custom markup and only display it according to standards just in time. This 
allows it to be imported/exported/viewed and edited in its native form. 
Since the act of displaying it, is one of the standards, HTML the fact is 
we can copy or save it in this display format as well for transfer to other 
documents or environments.

The other approach would be to use tiddlywiki markup and macros as needed 
to display (not in finished presentation format) but in fountain markup 
which can be copied and pasted into a converter or tool for the final 
display.

I suppose it all depends on which part(s) of the workflow you want 
tiddlywiki to be responsible.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 12:01:03 AM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao TonyM
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Is it a third approach, or one of your two to use tiddler type to keep 
>> and edit in any desired markup standard and only render it as needed to 
>> html as currently happens with wikitext?
>>
>
> For some types of specialised Markup, closely linked to application types, 
> it makes most sense to create a new Content Type and go much of the way to 
> creating final HTML for the rendered version.
>
> FOUNTAIN markup is an example that is widely used in writing screenplays. *It 
> makes much sense to author using Fountain when writing screenplays* inTW. 
> But its markup conflicts with TW standard markup. 
> https://fountain.io/syntax
>
> There are TWO ways forward (which you can mix) ... you convert for TW 
> compliant markup where you can (in other words change F. markup to 
> compliant TW markup in a pre-parser before the TW parser runs--after that 
> you get what you'd expect) AND/OR directly convert F. Markup to HTML. 
>
> Fountain markup is interesting because its largely IMPLICIT (how you space 
> paragraphs & how you start them) whilst most normal wiki markup is 
> initiated by explicit characters (*/-/! etc). F. is great for screenplay 
> authors because *you rarely ever have to enter any explicit markup* if 
> you have your line layout right.
>
> But to use the F. approach in TW you need more than straight conversion of 
> markup systems because the "implicit" markup of F. TW has no equivalents 
> for. Its still pretty easy once you can access a pre-parser just using 
> regular expressions to do it though.
>
> All of this works under point (1) of my last post.
>
> Point (2) about CONVERSION is more a one-way-ticket. Its for cases where 
> you don't need to retain original markup, just permanently convert for 
> native TW normal.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] RenderTable Plugin Release

Joshua,

That is a very comprehensive nuts and bolts explanation which will help 
using this powerful tool. Thank you.

I am looking forward to some use cases, but can I ask the following?

Let us put our software engineering hats to the side, and put on our 
business analyst hats. *Just at a high level,* as if you were explaining in 
the office.

How to you prepare data and schema to bring data into tiddlywiki in 
addition to using existing tiddlers?
What is the work flow you would use to turn it into a power table?
What is your preferred data import mechanism when that data is destined for 
these tables

Thanks
tony


On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 4:37:15 AM UTC+11, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Hi TonyM,
>
> Thanks! Great feedback and questions. This will help improve the plugin's 
> documentation.
>
> Before touching on Sort and Filter I'll explain the parameters of the 
> widget.
>
> So <> calls <$rendertable 
> schema="$schema$" mode="$mode$" datafilter="$datafilter$" 
> datapath="$datapath$" tablestate="$tablestate$" />
>
> The last 2 are optional parameters:
>
>- $tablestate$ is automatically generated by the widget if blank with 
>a <> macro, the input is just there for future code so this can 
> be 
>ignored for now.
>- $datapath$ is only used if $mode$ is set to "array".
>
> Which brings us to the core of the widget.
>
>- $schema$ must be a JSON tiddler structured as I explain in the 
>example Wiki: 
>https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-RenderTablePlugin/#Table%20Schemas
>   - This is a "flat" Json Object (see my JsonMangler plugin here: 
>   https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-JsonManglerPlugin/), which just 
>   means there are no nested objects and the keys of the object are setup 
> as 
>   "paths" to function as nested objects when required ("dot notation" 
> like 
>   many libraries use).
>- $datafilter$ is a regular Tiddlywiki Filter (meaning anything from a 
>single [[Tiddler Title]] to a complex set of filter chains) which defines 
>the tiddlers that will make up the total dataset of the table.
>   - The results of this depend on the next few parameters, but if 
>   left blank if defaults back to the Schema Json Tiddler (i.e. you are 
> using 
>   the schema tiddler to also store data, see $datapath$ below)
>- $mode$ is set to wither "tiddler" or "array". 
>   - In both modes, the widget will detect if the current 
>   <> is a regular tiddler or data tiddler and adjust the data 
>   calls to either "fields" or "indexes" of that tiddler.
>   - In tiddler mode, the assumption is that each row will be a 
>   Tiddler in the wikistore. Each tiddler from the $datafilter$ becomes a 
>   <> variable, and then the column("field") definitions from 
> the 
>   Schema are applied:
>  -  either the field name defined in the schema for the current 
>  column is used as a tiddler field/index name(i.e. 
>  <>!!<> or <>##<>) and 
> that is 
>  transcluded into the current cell,
>  - or, if a template is defined in the schema, which is a tiddler 
>  that defines a <> macro (a macro so you can access all 
> the 
>  various variables in the current table), it is transcluded into the 
> current 
>  cell.
>   - In array mode, the assumption is that a "row" is a collection of 
>   fields/indexes on a tiddler and any tiddler in the $datafilter$ can 
> hold 
>   more than one row.
>  - Each "row" would be a "flattened path" (again, see the 
>  JsonMangler Plugin).
>  - fields: <>!!data-_0_.rowfield1, 
>  <>!!data-_0_.rowfield2, 
> <>!!data-_1_.rowfield1, 
>  <>!!data-_1_.rowfield2
>  - indexes: <>!!data[0].rowfield1, 
>  <>!!data[0].rowfield2, 
> <>!!data[1].rowfield1, 
>  <>!!data[1].rowfield2
>   - $datapath$ is an optional parameter, only used in "array mode". 
>It is a string used to filter a tiddler's fields/indexes to a specific 
>"array" (represented above by numbers wrapped in brackets or a pattern of 
>dashes).
>   - When in array mode and $datapath$ is blank, there are 2 
>   behaviours:
>  - If $datafilter$ == $schema$ (i.e. you are using the Schema 
>  Json Tiddler to also store data), the $datapath$ variable changes to 
>  "table_data".
> - i.e. "table_data[0].field, table_data[1].field, 
> table_data[2].field"
>  - If the $datafilter$ != $schema$, the row is built from a 
>  field/index array with no prefix.
> - i.e. "[0].field, [1].field, [2].field"
>  
> Thus, we can use the table plugin in "tiddler" mode - keeping to the 
> "every 'thing' is a tiddler", or a single tiddler becomes a database which 
> can hold multiple "tables" within it.
>
> Ok, Sort and Fitler. These functions are performed "behind the scenes" by 
> javascript. The widget catches

[tw] Re: [TW5] Host on github for free without any git knowledge or software installation

2017-11-20 Thread Daniel Cunningham

Hi Danielo,

I have been experimenting with my own fork 
 of your  
tw5-auto-publish2gitlab-pages 
.  
I haven't messed around with either GitHub or a continuous integration tool 
like Travis CI before, so it was fun learning about those.  Thanks for the 
extensive effort and clear expertise you have put into this project.

My purpose for this exercise is that I want to share a TW5 wiki (a project 
that I've been building on my local machine) and I thought that sharing it 
as a page from GitHub (or GitLab) would be... nifty.

I see that the "user content" part of your configuration is based around a 
single .tid file, and that it looks like you use the Travis CI tools to use 
a YML file to auto-generate an index.html file from a .tid file (and then 
run some other scripts as well).  Is that correct?  

My bigger question:  Is there a way to (re) configure this system so that I 
could upload an HTML file (that is a complete TW5 wiki) that I want to 
share?  I found out that exporting as a .tid file only exports a single 
tiddler, and I have an extended wiki with many (as in hundreds) of 
individual tiddlers that I want to share.  So as it stands right now, I 
can't use your system to share a completed TW5 wiki from my local machine.  
Unless of course, I'm missing something really obvious (which I am the 
first to admit happens all the time).

I have (zip|zero|nada) experience with Travis CI and/or YML files, but 
perhaps there is some specification I could configure that would let Travis 
CI reach in and use a target HTML file (in other words, my source TW5 wiki) 
and use that to generate the index.html?

The best of all possible worlds for me would be to upload a TW5 wiki as a 
single HTML file into the wiki directory, edit one or more config files to 
say: "look for this target HTML file", let Travis CI detect the push event 
and have the auto-config "magic" do its stuff.

Best regards,

-- Daniel

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 11:58:38 AM UTC-7, Danielo Rodríguez 
wrote:
>
>
> Motivated for Matabele's post about how and where host tiddlywiki files I 
> want to announce that I have been investigating and looking for a way to do 
> this easily on Github pages.
> We all love Github pages. They are an easy,reliable and cheap way to host 
> static sites. TiddlyWiki 
> 
>  is 
> a single page web application that can be hosted as a single html file. The 
> problem with it is that there is not an easy fast way to host a tiddlywiki 
> file on github pages... until now.
>
> I have created a repository/tutorial to host a tiddlywiki on your own 
> Github pages repository. Following it you will be able to have your own 
> wiki up and runing in less than 10 minutes *without* any git or Github 
> Knowledge and *without installing* any software on your computer:
>
> https://github.com/danielo515/TW5-auto-publish2gh-pages
>
> Sounds pretty neat uh? 
>
> @Jeremy, If you feel that this could be useful, feel free to add it to the 
> community resources. Maybe I can create a small tiddler pointing to the 
> tutorial. In fact it is similar to "hosting a tiddlywiki on dropbox", so it 
> can be a tiddler of the same category.
>
> Questions, ideas, doubts and pull requests are very welcome.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> I just added suppor for gitlab pages. The workflow is much easier, is just 
> a matter of clonning the repository on your gitlab account. For the momment 
> please ignore the readme, it is the version of github.
> https://gitlab.com/danielo515/tw5-auto-publish2gitlab-pages
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Host on github for free without any git knowledge or software installation

2017-11-20 Thread Daniel Cunningham

Hi Daniel

I have been experimenting with my own fork 
 of your  
tw5-auto-publish2gitlab-pages 
.  
I haven't messed around with either GitHub or a continuous integration tool 
like Travis CI before, so it was fun learning about those.  Thanks for the 
extensive effort and clear expertise you have put into this project.

My purpose for this exercise is that I want to share a TW5 wiki (a project 
that I've been building on my local machine) and I thought that sharing it 
as a page from GitHub (or GitLab) would be... nifty.

I see that the "user content" part of your configuration is based around a 
single .tid file, and that it looks like you use the Travis CI tools to use 
a YML file to auto-generate an index.html file from a .tid file (and then 
run some other scripts as well).  Is that correct?  

My bigger question:  Is there a way to (re) configure this system so that I 
could upload an HTML file (that is a complete TW5 wiki) that I want to 
share?  I found out that exporting as a .tid file only exports a single 
tiddler, and I have an extended wiki with many (as in hundreds) of 
individual tiddlers that I want to share.  So as it stands right now, I 
can't use your system to share a completed TW5 wiki from my local machine.  
Unless of course, I'm missing something really obvious (which I am the 
first to admit happens all the time).

I have (zip|zero|nada) experience with Travis CI and/or YML files, but 
perhaps there is some specification I could configure that would let Travis 
CI reach in and use a target HTML file (in other words, my source TW5 wiki) 
and use that to generate the index.html?

The best of all possible worlds for me would be to upload a TW5 wiki as a 
single HTML file into the wiki directory, edit one or more config files to 
say: "look for this target HTML file", let Travis CI detect the push event 
and have the auto-config "magic" do its stuff.

Best regards,

-- Daniel

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 11:58:38 AM UTC-7, Danielo Rodríguez 
wrote:
>
>
> Motivated for Matabele's post about how and where host tiddlywiki files I 
> want to announce that I have been investigating and looking for a way to do 
> this easily on Github pages.
> We all love Github pages. They are an easy,reliable and cheap way to host 
> static sites. TiddlyWiki 
> 
>  is 
> a single page web application that can be hosted as a single html file. The 
> problem with it is that there is not an easy fast way to host a tiddlywiki 
> file on github pages... until now.
>
> I have created a repository/tutorial to host a tiddlywiki on your own 
> Github pages repository. Following it you will be able to have your own 
> wiki up and runing in less than 10 minutes *without* any git or Github 
> Knowledge and *without installing* any software on your computer:
>
> https://github.com/danielo515/TW5-auto-publish2gh-pages
>
> Sounds pretty neat uh? 
>
> @Jeremy, If you feel that this could be useful, feel free to add it to the 
> community resources. Maybe I can create a small tiddler pointing to the 
> tutorial. In fact it is similar to "hosting a tiddlywiki on dropbox", so it 
> can be a tiddler of the same category.
>
> Questions, ideas, doubts and pull requests are very welcome.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> I just added suppor for gitlab pages. The workflow is much easier, is just 
> a matter of clonning the repository on your gitlab account. For the momment 
> please ignore the readme, it is the version of github.
> https://gitlab.com/danielo515/tw5-auto-publish2gitlab-pages
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[tw] Re: [TW5] My new Tiddlywiki shop with 1233 items. How to make it smaller and faster?

2017-11-20 Thread sini-Kit

Thank you BJ, but it works not in that way, I wanted.  I want to enable 
lists update in 

/*
Update the document body with the class "tc-dirty" if the wiki has 
unsaved/unsynced changes
*/
SaverHandler.prototype.updateDirtyStatus = function() {
if($tw.browser) {
$tw.utils.toggleClass(document.body,"tc-dirty",this.isDirty());
}
};


and disable lists update when TW5 *not *In "dirty" mode. I try to put your 
code to $:/core/modules/saver-handler.js but don't understand how to get 
constant (var a="disabled") from another .js tiddler.  



четверг, 16 ноября 2017 г., 10:23:27 UTC+3 пользователь BJ написал:

> so you could add a variable to control the list behaviour:
>
> ListWidget.prototype.getTiddlerList = function() {
> var defaultFilter = "[!is[system]sort[title]]";
> if (this.getAttribute("filter",defaultFilter)=="[list[$:/StoryList]]") 
> return ListWidget.prototype.bjgetTiddlerList.call(this);
> *if (this.getVariable("enablelistupdate")=="enable") return 
> ListWidget.prototype.bjgetTiddlerList.call(this);*
>
> if (!this.bjcached) {
> this.bjcache =  
> this.wiki.filterTiddlers(this.getAttribute("filter",defaultFilter),this);
> this.bjcached = true;
> }
> return this.bjcache;
> };
>
> and then set this variable in $:/core/ui/EditTemplate tiddler :
>
>
> >>
> *<$vars enablelistupdate="enable">*
> <$fieldmangler>
> <$set name="storyTiddler" value=<>>
> <$keyboard key="((cancel-edit-tiddler))" message="tm-cancel-tiddler">
> <$keyboard key="((save-tiddler))" actions=<>>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/EditTemplate]!has[draft.of]]" 
> variable="listItem">
> <$transclude tiddler=<>/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 
>
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 5:08:38 AM UTC+1, sini-Kit wrote:
>>
>> I start workin with your plugin, and see that I add many bugs while 
>> editing. is it possible to disable/enable automatically it if I start edit 
>> TW5? Or refresh lists when I finish editing tiddler?
>>
>> понедельник, 13 ноября 2017 г., 20:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь BJ написал:
>>>
>>> Lists are created by this.wiki.filterTiddlers(). Every time a tiddler 
>>> is modified all the filters are recreated, and it is because of this that 
>>> you shop is slow. So this plugin stops the lists (apart from the storylist) 
>>> from updating. 
>>>
>>> You can see the effect of this if you go to the sidebar and click the 
>>> recent tab then create a new tiddler - the list of tiddlers in the 'recent 
>>> tab' is not updated. It you then click the 'open tab' and then click the 
>>> 'recent tab' you will see the new tiddler on the list. This is because the 
>>> listwidget has been totally erased and recreated by changing tabs.
>>>
>>> So, depending on how your shop is constructed you may see errors due to 
>>> lists not beening updated.
>>>
>>> e.g If you have search boxes anywhere they will not work correctly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 5:54:52 PM UTC+1, sini-Kit wrote:

 Thank, you BJ. With your plugin tiddlywiki shop works fast. Can you 
 explain what it do?

 var defaultFilter = "[!is[system]sort[title]]";
 if (this.getAttribute("filter",defaultFilter)==
 "[list[$:/StoryList]]") return ListWidget.prototype.bjgetTiddlerList.
 call(this);
 if (!this.bjcached) {
 this.bjcache =  this.wiki.filterTiddlers(this.getAttribute(
 "filter",defaultFilter),this);
 this.bjcached = true;
 }

 it adds  [!is[system] to all filters I use? I hope in future TW5 
 edition it will be build in zoomin.js 


 понедельник, 13 ноября 2017 г., 11:44:31 UTC+3 пользователь BJ написал:

> I have hacked together a plugin to speed things up. It will probably 
> cause strange errors in you application, but maybe you can modify it to 
> work better. In any case It will show how much things could be improved
>
> all the best bj
> On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 4:03:30 PM UTC+1, sini-Kit wrote:
>>
>> Hi! I start creating new Tiddlywiki shop 
>> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2F2980258.ru%2Fheeg.html=D=1=AFQjCNEVrKH1LD7mgIfI5QyFi0wrOgnEpw
>>  
>> The problem is that it is big 4mb. I want to make it work faster. 
>> If somebody have compressed variant of tw5 core without comments in 
>> code or any ideas?   
>>
>
>
>
>>>
>

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[tw] Problem syncing with TiddlySpot

2017-11-20 Thread Fábio Emilio Costa

Hello!

Trying to sync a TiddlyWiki (v5.1.14) with TiddlySpot.com, but it shows the
Saving Wiki info, and nothing is synced. No error messages, no nothing
Any suggestion on how to make sure things are correctly synced without
going to the Tiddly immediately after? Using on Firefox 57, Chrome, Opera,
all of them with problem. The only plugin on it is Markdown.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] RenderTable Plugin Release

2017-11-20 Thread Joshua Fontany

Hi TonyM,

Thanks! Great feedback and questions. This will help improve the plugin's 
documentation.

Before touching on Sort and Filter I'll explain the parameters of the 
widget.

So <> calls <$rendertable 
schema="$schema$" mode="$mode$" datafilter="$datafilter$" 
datapath="$datapath$" tablestate="$tablestate$" />

The last 2 are optional parameters:

   - $tablestate$ is automatically generated by the widget if blank with a 
   <> macro, the input is just there for future code so this can be 
   ignored for now.
   - $datapath$ is only used if $mode$ is set to "array".

Which brings us to the core of the widget.

   - $schema$ must be a JSON tiddler structured as I explain in the example 
   Wiki: https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-RenderTablePlugin/#Table%20Schemas
  - This is a "flat" Json Object (see my JsonMangler plugin 
  here: https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-JsonManglerPlugin/), which just 
  means there are no nested objects and the keys of the object are setup as 
  "paths" to function as nested objects when required ("dot notation" like 
  many libraries use).
   - $datafilter$ is a regular Tiddlywiki Filter (meaning anything from a 
   single [[Tiddler Title]] to a complex set of filter chains) which defines 
   the tiddlers that will make up the total dataset of the table.
  - The results of this depend on the next few parameters, but if left 
  blank if defaults back to the Schema Json Tiddler (i.e. you are using the 
  schema tiddler to also store data, see $datapath$ below)
   - $mode$ is set to wither "tiddler" or "array". 
  - In both modes, the widget will detect if the current <> 
  is a regular tiddler or data tiddler and adjust the data calls to either 
  "fields" or "indexes" of that tiddler.
  - In tiddler mode, the assumption is that each row will be a Tiddler 
  in the wikistore. Each tiddler from the $datafilter$ becomes a 
  <> variable, and then the column("field") definitions from 
the 
  Schema are applied:
 -  either the field name defined in the schema for the current 
 column is used as a tiddler field/index name(i.e. 
 <>!!<> or <>##<>) and 
that is 
 transcluded into the current cell,
 - or, if a template is defined in the schema, which is a tiddler 
 that defines a <> macro (a macro so you can access all 
the 
 various variables in the current table), it is transcluded into the 
current 
 cell.
  - In array mode, the assumption is that a "row" is a collection of 
  fields/indexes on a tiddler and any tiddler in the $datafilter$ can hold 
  more than one row.
 - Each "row" would be a "flattened path" (again, see the 
 JsonMangler Plugin).
 - fields: <>!!data-_0_.rowfield1, 
 <>!!data-_0_.rowfield2, 
<>!!data-_1_.rowfield1, 
 <>!!data-_1_.rowfield2
 - indexes: <>!!data[0].rowfield1, 
 <>!!data[0].rowfield2, <>!!data[1].rowfield1, 
 <>!!data[1].rowfield2
  - $datapath$ is an optional parameter, only used in "array mode". It 
   is a string used to filter a tiddler's fields/indexes to a specific "array" 
   (represented above by numbers wrapped in brackets or a pattern of dashes).
  - When in array mode and $datapath$ is blank, there are 2 behaviours:
 - If $datafilter$ == $schema$ (i.e. you are using the Schema Json 
 Tiddler to also store data), the $datapath$ variable changes to 
 "table_data".
- i.e. "table_data[0].field, table_data[1].field, 
table_data[2].field"
 - If the $datafilter$ != $schema$, the row is built from a 
 field/index array with no prefix.
- i.e. "[0].field, [1].field, [2].field"
 
Thus, we can use the table plugin in "tiddler" mode - keeping to the "every 
'thing' is a tiddler", or a single tiddler becomes a database which can 
hold multiple "tables" within it.

Ok, Sort and Fitler. These functions are performed "behind the scenes" by 
javascript. The widget catches messges sent by the sort/filter buttons, 
performs some javascript wizardry to "recreate" the context of each cell 
(all the appropriate column#, rowtiddler, rowpath, full fieldname, etc 
variables -- gods that took a while to figure out), and then calls the 
Wikify widget's code internally to render each cell's result. It then takes 
those wikified cells, and performs the appropriate sort/filter function, 
finally storing the final row-entity list (either rowtiddler or 
rowtiddler+rowpath) into a field on the $tablestate$ tiddler. The table 
automatically picks this up and uses this row-entity list to sort or filter 
the table results.

So, when the underlying data is changed (for example, you change a contact 
tiddler' email address to something that matches your previous filter), the 
table will not update until you press the check-mark "Apply Filter" button 
in the filter update. Your data

[tw] Re: Tabs CSS

2017-11-20 Thread Ste Wilson

Plain tabs!! That's the one. Searched for clean taba, white tags. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Tabs CSS

2017-11-20 Thread David Gifford

Thanks Birthe, that was indeed the one I was looking for! Beautiful.

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On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Birthe C  wrote:

> Mat created http://plaintabs.tiddlyspot.com/ to make tabs styling easy
> for us.
>
> Birthe
>
> Den mandag den 20. november 2017 kl. 17.34.56 UTC+1 skrev Dave Gifford -
> http://www.giffmex.org/:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I seem to remember some really nice CSS applied to the tabs macro in the
>> last few months, but as usual, I can't find it in my notes or searching
>> this group.
>>
>> Anyone want to send me links to tab styles they like in TiddlyWikis?
>>
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-20 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

Ciao Ste

I looked at IFTTT. No interface with Google Groups that I can find.

In any case you'd have a problem with the volume. What one needs is a 
heavily filtered version that concentrates on major, working innovations 
and stuff that adds to documentation. Most of the stuff written here is 
ephemeral steps ... important at the time of creation, but of no long 
lasting value.

Lacking moderated tagging/classification on initial creation of posts on GG 
I think the human eye will be needed to make judegments. So its selective 
recycling needed, I think. I mean, a lot of my own posts I seriously 
wouldn't want to read as history :-). Riz, within limits of time, has done 
pretty well as a largely one man band on Reddit teasing out quite a lot of 
the good things but it is obviously not enough.

Best wishes
Josiah

Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I keep meaning to look but is there an IFTTT type solution to auto 
> populate Reddit or something every time there is a post here... 

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[tw] Re: Tabs not showing list filter results from tiddlers

Never mind, I just discovered the instructions at the bottom of 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#tabs%20Macro

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 11:41:05 AM UTC-5, Dave Gifford - 
http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> This is probably a simple mistake from being a bit rusty. But I can't 
> figure out why the tabs in the main tiddler are not showing the lists that 
> are the contents of the tiddlers for those tabs.
>
> Here is the file http://giffmex.org/experiments/verticaltest.html
>
> Any help?
>

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[tw] Tabs not showing list filter results from tiddlers

2017-11-20 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

Hi all

This is probably a simple mistake from being a bit rusty. But I can't 
figure out why the tabs in the main tiddler are not showing the lists that 
are the contents of the tiddlers for those tabs.

Here is the file http://giffmex.org/experiments/verticaltest.html

Any help?

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

2017-11-20 Thread MarkPea

Waterford fits the bill on WIndows 10 as well. Tiddlyfox works a treat and 
saves the TW with no hiccups. The zero faffing solution it seems to me ...

Mark P

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 10:38:23 PM UTC-5, James A Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm using Waterfox who intend to keep the plugin structure of Firefox 
> while keeping up-to-date with firefox. The tiddlyfox plugin works well.
> As i use android a lot, for some reason the tiddlyfox doesn't install 
> inWaterfaox on android.
> I am looking for solutions, when I do I'll report back.
> But for now, Waterfox fits the bill (at least on Linux and OSX) :)
>
> On Saturday, 28 October 2017 20:33:51 UTC+11, Norm Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firefox and Tiddly have long been great companions, but Firefox is going 
>> sideways and the old Firefox Tiddly extension for saving in the new Firefox 
>> 57 doesn't work.  Will there be anyone working on a rewrite or a new 
>> extension?  Hope so!  Thanks for any helpful info.  
>>
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[tw] Tabs CSS

2017-11-20 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/

Hi all

I seem to remember some really nice CSS applied to the tabs macro in the 
last few months, but as usual, I can't find it in my notes or searching 
this group. 

Anyone want to send me links to tab styles they like in TiddlyWikis?

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

2017-11-20 Thread Ste Wilson

I keep meaning to look but is there an IFTTT type solution to auto populate 
Reddit or something every time there is a post here... 

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

2017-11-20 Thread 'Jim McD' via TiddlyWiki


Thanks for this.  Version 0.2.1 tested and working on Windows 8.1 Pro, FF 
57, Classic Tiddlywiki.

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

2017-11-20 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Looking at pandoc, it looks like one might have it do markdown to plain 
text, and then create filters in between for each of the markdown types to 
wrap the plain text the way TW text wants.

But how much markdown to have to convert?

-- Mark

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:16:46 AM UTC-8, Shay Shaked wrote:
>
> So I installed the markdown plugin, works ok, but the problem is that it 
> doesn't play nice inside TW. some markings (like strikethrough) and my own 
> Macros, highlight to text, journal entries and the like do not play nice in 
> TW. So, I was looking at pandoc to help me convert markdown to WikiText, 
> which exists, but then TW is not exactly WikiText
>
> Did anyone build a TW extension to pandoc perhaps? Can this be done? Or, 
> is there a plugin to TW that understands WikiText? 
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

perhaps the solution is in the "people space" about helping the
community develop its shared set of skills with a set of community led
purposes in mind.

I am a great believer in facilitation, i think it needs to come from outside


Alex

On 20 November 2017 at 13:33, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Cari tutti, & yeah Alex & Birthe.
>
> I am sure you are right that the serendipitous freedom in GG, combined
> with the nice people here, is a major factor in inertia to keep it. And a
> good one.
>
> AlexHough wrote:
>
>> I think we need to be careful about making changes, the unintended
>> consequence of using google groups is that we get interactions which a more
>> streamlined system would design out.
>
>
> Birthe C wrote:
>
>> Exactly!
>>
>
> On the OTHER hand here is a *swamp of Lost History*. I'm forever trying
> to find things to reference in order to reply to people ... often I give up
> and don't reply. I CAN'T FIND STUFF that's anything more than a few days
> old.
>
> Replies like "Mat did that about three months ago" without a link are
> about as useful as a head without the chicken. You got nothing to cook. If
> that is tough for me its a total turn-off for a newbie.
>
> IF there were a PARALLEL GG that a full-time archivist were
> tagging/logging it would really help. What Riz has done on Reddit is
> part-way there, but too much for one person to pull off fully.
>
> I did think in a mad way that a Twitter feed might be able to do the
> MINIMAL missing piece sustainably. Its still in my mind.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Cari tutti, & yeah Alex & Birthe. 

I am sure you are right that the serendipitous freedom in GG, combined with 
the nice people here, is a major factor in inertia to keep it. And a good 
one.

AlexHough wrote:

> I think we need to be careful about making changes, the unintended 
> consequence of using google groups is that we get interactions which a more 
> streamlined system would design out.

Birthe C wrote:

> Exactly! 
>

On the OTHER hand here is a *swamp of Lost History*. I'm forever trying to 
find things to reference in order to reply to people ... often I give up 
and don't reply. I CAN'T FIND STUFF that's anything more than a few days 
old.

Replies like "Mat did that about three months ago" without a link are about 
as useful as a head without the chicken. You got nothing to cook. If that 
is tough for me its a total turn-off for a newbie.

IF there were a PARALLEL GG that a full-time archivist were tagging/logging 
it would really help. What Riz has done on Reddit is part-way there, but 
too much for one person to pull off fully.

I did think in a mad way that a Twitter feed might be able to do the 
MINIMAL missing piece sustainably. Its still in my mind.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

Ciao TonyM

TonyM wrote:
>
> Is it a third approach, or one of your two to use tiddler type to keep and 
> edit in any desired markup standard and only render it as needed to html as 
> currently happens with wikitext?
>

For some types of specialised Markup, closely linked to application types, 
it makes most sense to create a new Content Type and go much of the way to 
creating final HTML for the rendered version.

FOUNTAIN markup is an example that is widely used in writing screenplays. *It 
makes much sense to author using Fountain when writing screenplays* inTW. 
But its markup conflicts with TW standard markup. https://fountain.io/syntax

There are TWO ways forward (which you can mix) ... you convert for TW 
compliant markup where you can (in other words change F. markup to 
compliant TW markup in a pre-parser before the TW parser runs--after that 
you get what you'd expect) AND/OR directly convert F. Markup to HTML. 

Fountain markup is interesting because its largely IMPLICIT (how you space 
paragraphs & how you start them) whilst most normal wiki markup is 
initiated by explicit characters (*/-/! etc). F. is great for screenplay 
authors because *you rarely ever have to enter any explicit markup* if you 
have your line layout right.

But to use the F. approach in TW you need more than straight conversion of 
markup systems because the "implicit" markup of F. TW has no equivalents 
for. Its still pretty easy once you can access a pre-parser just using 
regular expressions to do it though.

All of this works under point (1) of my last post.

Point (2) about CONVERSION is more a one-way-ticket. Its for cases where 
you don't need to retain original markup, just permanently convert for 
native TW normal.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

Josiah,

Is it a third approach, or one of your two to use tiddler type to keep and edit 
in any desired markup standard and only render it as needed to html as 
currently happens with wikitext?

regards tony

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[tw] Re: reply to calendar plugin not working

Thanks bj, I can work around that

ta
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[tw] Re: Probing: TiddlyWiki 101 - The CONSUMER VERSION

Josiah,

Of course we can walk and chew gum at the same time and whilst I supoort
complete solutions that answer peoples needs I also understand the limitations
of editions. Many have inspired me, many have being a source of code and ideas
but I do not use a single one everyday.

I have invested a lot to build my bespoke solution and I do not expect anyone
to make the commitment, I know that the way I use it is not the way to increase
adoption.

But I am not sure the direction you are going is the whole story.

To me it is the gap between what tiddlywiki can do and the effort to do it.

I speak from considerable expirence that the key in my view is we need to bring
tiddlywikis features forward and exposed to novice users.

It is hard me to put the details of my argument because it is all about the
details. yet also about retaining and expanding its pgilosophy and capabilities

Regardless of If get my ideas understood by this community I plan to deliver
such improvements myself. Though some colaboration would be nice.

Examples include
simpler sopgisticated use of fields
generic queue managment features
simple note taking in a world of complexity
and much more

yours sincerly
tony

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrade Process - Have I just accidently merged multiple wikis?

Ciao TonyM & BJ

I agree with TM. I'm actually rather unclear how GitHub works. I mean I 
know how to raise an issue. But very hazy about "Pull Requests" and quite 
what you do for that. I'm also unclear how a PR actually gets moved on? 
Does the "voting" system play a part in that? There seem to be quite a lot 
hanging.

TM, FWIW, this recent PR I did understand, it shed some light, for me, on 
how GitHub works: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3020

Josiah

TonyM wrote:
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> Id love some instruction on github submissions. I wouldbe contributiing to 
> the doco at a minimum. but my initial investigation scared me off. there is 
> only so much time in a day.

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[tw] Re: Working with large, frequently edited texts

Ciao elar...

Its an interesting post with interesting questions. There are several
themes in it. I'll focus here on BULK PROCEDURES ...

1 - Bulk Deletion ... There are some bulk deleters. BTW, TW has an inbuilt
mechanism in recent TW5s to do that. Its accessible via Advanced Search >
Filter ...

2 - Bulk Tagery ... There are several tools around for this. AlexHough made
one mentioned in this thread.

3 - TextSlicer ... its pretty good but its a fairly crude instrument. Its
also a "one-way-ticket." The way you are working... from external text to
repeated slices doesn't sound optimal with so much manual work after slice.

4 - Bundling - You might want to look at PMario's "Bundler" that is a way
of tracking Tiddlers, a way of exporting them and a way of recording
imports. If you use the "Filtered Bundles" that is the same filter you'd
use for bulk deleting so you could just copy the filter over to (1) when
you needed to delete. That way if each work had a "bundle" you could delete
its component tiddlers before another "re-slice".
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/

Given the scale of what you are trying to do, though, I'm not quite sure
you are using an optimal working method. You might be better editing in TW
directly? Possible?

Just some thoughts
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

2017-11-20 Thread PMario

Hi foks, 

First off all I have to say thank you to my first Contributor 
 : furicle, who improved the 
Readme.md !

I did just push the latest version of the File-Backups AddOn for FireFox 
57+ ... 

What's New: 

   - Completely restructued the code
   - Improved workflow. 
  - No 2 click saves for download subdirectory anymore
   - Files from outside download dir, directly open the save dialog.


Release Notes: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases

There is also a New Video: https://youtu.be/KVLtID8nElU 


have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrade Process - Have I just accidently merged multiple wikis?

Id love some instruction on github submissions. I wouldbe contributiing to the 
doco at a minimum. but my initial investigation scared me off. there is only so 
much time in a day.

regards
tony

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Re: [tw] Working with large, frequently edited texts

This might be something that works for you. I made it quickly as a way to
add and delete tags.
You can remove and add tags.

I add tags then filter them. you could add a tag to the ones you want to
keep then export them to a new copy of TW





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On 20 November 2017 at 01:58,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, I’m using TiddlyWiki for a series of
> novels and companion wiki.  I managed to work out most of the issues with
> TextSlicer, but ran into a few issues when cleaning up after the slicing.  I
> discovered that, if a sliced document is edited, it doesn’t automatically
> update the original tiddlers, which means I either need to edit them
> individually or re-slice the text.  I'm worried about the eventual file
> bloat (and possible tiddler chaos) that would occur from re-slicing over
> and over without removing the previous sliced tiddlers.
>
>- Any way to mass delete a bunch of tiddlers at once? (Removing old
>narrative tiddlers one-by-one was time consuming and tedious)
>
>
>
>- According to Text Slicer instructions, the tiddlers generated by the
>slicing have automatically created titles that can be changed manually.
>Hundreds of tiddlers were created from the first six chapters alone - there
>are a couple hundred chapters left to do...do I have to rename and
>individually tag *every single tiddler* or is there a way to mass tag
>a lot of tiddlers at once (i.e. mass tag all "heading 2" tiddlers as
>"scene")?
>
>
>
> At this point, I’m thinking perhaps TextSlicer is better for text that
> does not undergo much editing (unlike my novels)? Would it be more
> efficient to manually create “scene” tiddlers and work with much smaller
> chunks of text rather than importing entire books?
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for your help!
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrade Process - Have I just accidently merged multiple wikis?

2017-11-20 Thread BJ

I think that is a bug - are you able to raise it on github?

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:51:43 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I decided to upgrade multiple wikis using 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html, I got on a role. It now looks like 
> because I got on a role I have appended tiddlers from previously upgraded 
> tiddlers into a number of my wikis.
>
> I presume we should reload the https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html page 
> before each new upgrade.
>
> I am unhappy about this because I now have a bit of a mess.
>
> Can this be PUT UP IN LIGHTS for subsequent users, or ideally trigger a 
> reload after the download step?
>
>
> :(
> Tony
>

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[tw] Re: Probing: TiddlyWiki 101 - The CONSUMER VERSION

Ciao TonyM & Mark S.

Thanks for your replies.

TonyM wrote:
>
> I tend to be going in the direction of building specific applications, 
> perhaps I would call this publishing TiddlyWiki instances, perhaps to 
> provide online tools or take home applications...
>

... In these cases I expect them to be self contained and self documented 
>

Right. That's what I'm thinking.

> Whilst I wholeheartedly support promoting adoption through turn key 
> solutions, easy adoption and well guided introductions to tiddlywikis 
> capabilities, however I believe it must always expose its shear enormous 
> benefits to an enthusiasts willing to "bite the bullet".
>

YES. Many users nowadays are fascinated by not only having the "clock" but 
also being able to tweak its mechanism themselves.

And NO. In my sense many potential users only want to get a delimited thing 
done. To run an app. for defined purposes with the least setup hassle 
possible. *Its mainly this class of users I was thinking of.*

Mark S. wrote:
>
> It sounds like you're talking about *Editions.*
>

Right. Editions. Though "wrapped" inside some kind of runtime engine so 
there is ONE install. Not a TW Edition plus browser plus add-ons or hacks 
or node or wotnot. Just *one installable package*.

> One can imagine various TW's customized for Contact Management, Education, 
> Recipes, Book Readers, Quizzing, Calendars, etc.
>

Right. I think its exactly these kind of discrete apps that could be well 
suited for this. 

> Tiddlyspot offers various aging custom solutions. Something like that but 
> with a host of starter options would be cool.
>

In some earlier discussion Jermolene has mentioned that he's inclined to 
view the "consumer version" of TW as most likely successful longer term via 
an on-line service. Innovations like NoteSelf and MaarfaPad might also have 
a role here in being able to transparently run TW in-browser and in-cloud.

Whilst I agree with Jermolene. I also think that locally installable 
"packaged apps" might also work well for some types of TW "consumers". In 
these cases the "browser" part of the interface is muted, so they appear 
more like conventional software

I think my OVERALL point (though not one I myself alone would have the 
competence to actually solve) is to get the benefits of dedicated 
"software" ...

- ease of install

- dedicated purpose

- app specific support

- reaching larger, differentiated (by users purposes), audiences for TW

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: reply to calendar plugin not working

2017-11-20 Thread BJ

The problem is incompatibility with the active content in 

$:/config/NewJournal/Tags 

ie

Journal [[$(currentTiddler)$]]

unfortunately this cannot be used with the calendar extension


On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 9:21:54 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Bj,
>
> I have the plugin version 1.11.0 add to the previous error message (you 
> re-posted) "too much recursion".
> $:/plugins/bj/Calendar from 
> http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#ExtendableCalendar
>
> Test line `<>`
>
> Does it have any dependencies?
>
> Running in Firefox 57.0 (64bit) on Windows 10, 
>
>- I have observed this fault in TiddlyWiki 5.1.14 After disabling all 
>plugins (except core of course)
>- This has occurred in two different 5.1.14  wikis
>
> It is working in one of my TiddlyWiki 5.1.15 that was upgraded, and 
> working in a new empty 5.1.15
> It is not working in the two that failed above after upgrading to 5.1.15
>
> In Chrome the Wiki throws a different message Uncaught RangeError: 
> Maximum call stack size exceeded
>
> I have attached the problem wiki here if it helps.
>
> I am at a loss to understand.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: pandoc and markdown to TW format

Ciao Shay & PMario

I'm finding this thread both really interesting AND confusing. We need be 
clear how TW parsing works.

Let's take the case that you want a non-TiddlyWiki markup system converting 
to Tiddly-Wiki markup. The issue could be thought about at least two ways 
...

1 - you PRESERVE the original markup of your source and dynamically convert 
it to TW markup. For that the BJ plugins are relevant. In the current TW 
architecture it is a reasonable route. Both Flexity (mentioned before, that 
uses regular expressions) and the Flexible Types plugin 
that requires you to be 
able to write new JavaScript components would work. The point is both take 
hold of the parsing system and allows you to pre-run your own markup 
conversions.

2 - you CONVERT (permanently) the original markup to TW markup. Either via 
an import mechanism
or via (1) saving to a new Tiddler a rendered version of the final code.

A lot of the work in all such is done via regular expressions. For simple 
substitution, like "^ *-" (meaning "-" is the first non-space character in 
the line) for "*" are quite easy. The in-built parsers in TW have more 
sophistication allowing for more complex situations--but I think most 
simple markup can be "translated" dynamically easily to its TW equivalent 
and let TW then do the HTML render in the normal way. Or you could directly 
convert to HTML (more complex).

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

Do we need a TiddlySkunkWorks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project



On 20 November 2017 at 08:13, Alex Hough  wrote:

> I think we need to be careful about making changes, the unintended
> consequence of using google groups is that we get interactions which a more
> streamlined system would design out.
>
> We may find that the social flavour might change.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Thursday, 16 November 2017, Lost Admin  wrote:
>
>> In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is
>> proper forums instead of Google's attempt to replace nntp. We also probably
>> need a wiki that can be edited by mutliple people.
>>
>> Forums would allow categorization of discussions easier.
>>
>> A wiki with multiple editors would allow different people to manage
>> different aspects of documentation such as end-user guides, developer
>> guides, dedicated guides to each of the 20 or so savers, etc.
>>
>> But to do the above would require funding for hosting.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:25:09 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Jeremy
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I was being more prodding than helpful.
>>>
>>> FRANKLY, though *GG is looking worse and worse over time*.
>>>
>>> Our major problem is it CANNOT cope with the sheer complexity of TW as
>>> it evolves.
>>>
>>> Right now is a very good phase in TW's history to know that, to see that
>>> clearly.
>>>
>>> I think our GG approach is seriously BLUNTING (a) its use; (b)
>>> understanding of it.
>>>
>>> The Sixteen Plus ways of saving TW -- well you are NOT gonna be able to
>>> find all those on Google. Yeah TW .com gives access but TO a disorganised
>>> mess.
>>>
>>> Can't we do better?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks
 or searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a
 replacement I think it's a non-starter.

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?