[tw] Re: Html Export

[tobaisch]

I just cant find any starting point.
no idea how i could change anything and especially where?
Regards
Tob

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I always wonder whether I can trust the portable apps site.

Using profiles, a command argument string, and a zip extractor, you can run 
multiple versions of FF. (See 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1170758) Presumably you could 
run an old version of FF as long as the operating system supports it (e.g. 
it doesn't break when 128 bits OS comes out). Old copies are available at 
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/. You would need to remember 
not to do any important browsing or commerce on the browser. And you would 
want to load it up with all the special extensions it needs before they 
disappear from Mozilla and/or the net.

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On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:48:28 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> Vayira;
>
> Try TiddlyDesktop first, but also consider Getting a Portable Firefox ESR 
> V 52
>
> There are a lot of solutions available and looking in this forum will 
> help, however having a version which is a few steps behind even TWC 
> (classic) could be an issue, have a go at upgrading (a copy)
>
> Otherwise post in the forum for help.
>
> Regards
> Tony 
>
> On Saturday, 2 December 2017 13:46:02 UTC+11, vayira wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad I ignored FF's messages about upgrading. I've been using TW 
>> classic for so long I can't remember & I run my life from it. But I'm not 
>> sure what to do now. 
>>
>> If I upgrade FF then I'll loose autosave by the looks of things. But will 
>> I be able to save at all? I'm using TiddlyWiki (clasic) 2.6.6 
>>
>> My heart always sinks when I see my favourite software has been 
>> "improved". 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Html Export

[TonyM]

Export Tiddler "Static HTML" not in your tiddler menu?

I hope the whole forum has something to share, 

I may have more info later as well.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 2 December 2017 12:42:49 UTC+11, tobaisch wrote:
>
> first investigate how an existing one operates,
>
>
> I tried that really, but i can not find an extisting exporter or a 
> template.
> That's why I ask here in the forum.
> Regards
> Tob
>

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[tw] Re: Confused and overwhelmed

[TonyM]

Richard,

Please be aware your statement "I bet there are literally hundreds who give 
up and walk away feeling stupid" is speculation, and I do not think it fair 
to say it to new users.It could be a "self fulfilling prophecy". Sure show 
compassion and offer support, continue to promote improvement but saying 
"Huston We Have a Problem" at the front door, when it is only an opinion. 
H

Otherwise I love your contributions Richard.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 2 December 2017 12:34:57 UTC+11, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> Hi Heather,
>
> Your pain is our collective failure to resolve an issue we've had for a 
> long time. We are clearly not doing a good enough job of explaining 
> Tiddlywiki to new users. 
>
> It's nobody's fault, really. The very nature of tiddlywiki is to be 
> non-linear and the website for Tiddlywiki *is* a Tiddlywiki, so it has 
> *everything* crammed into it - the most advanced, esoteric topics right 
> alongside the most basic information. For those of us who already (kind of) 
> know what's going on, it's too easy to lose sight of just how confusing it 
> is for newbies.
>
> But, we really have to fix it if we want more people to use Tiddlywiki 
> (and anyone who uses it should want that, because it's the best way to 
> ensure it sticks around).
>
> This problem is made ~1000 times worse with the current situation of 
> having 17 (!) different available saving mechanisms listed on the main page 
> and expecting people to somehow know what's going on.
>
> I'm really sorry you had such confusion but if you're willing to stick 
> with it a little, we can help you figure it out and hopefully we will learn 
> something from your experience that we can use to improve the documentation.
>
> I'm assuming that you have an actual mac and not just iOS devices? If so, 
> start like this.
>
> 1. Go to https://www.tiddlywiki.com
> 2. Scroll down to click the green button that says 'download empty'
> 3. Open the file that you downloaded - this is "a tiddlywiki" and it's 
> running wholly on your own computer
> 4. Click the + icon in the sidebar to make a new tiddler
> 5. Notice that the 'tick in a circle' icon turns red - this means you have 
> unsaved changes
> 6. Click the 'tick in a circle' icon to download another copy of your wiki
> 7. You can continue to add content to the copy you have open and 
> "download" a new copy whenever you want to
> 8. You can host your wiki anywhere the same way you would host any html 
> file, but you need to keep track of all the downloads to make sure you have 
> the latest one
>
> This is called the 'download saver' mechanism and the other 16 (!) methods 
> all exist because it is quite clunky.
>
> Tiddlywiki gives you complete control of your own information but of 
> course the flip-side of that is it gives you complete responsibility. 
> That's why it's so important to make sure you figure out the whole saving 
> malarkey before you invest time in making anything substantial and hence 
> why we have to make such a song-and-dance about it.
>
> For every person who posts here, I bet there are literally hundreds who 
> give up and walk away feeling stupid (you're not) so thank you very much 
> for taking the time. I hope you'll give it another try and let us know if 
> there's anything else that we can help you with. 
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 7:37:19 PM UTC+11, Heather Mcclelland wrote:
>>
>> Every time I start getting confident about my technical abilities, I find 
>> something that puts me squarely in my place.
>>
>> I am an all over apple user. And that means I have info all over all my 
>> apple devices, mostly in various apps and of course all over the cloud.
>>
>> I started googling personal knowledge management to see what I could do 
>> about putting everything in one spot, in the hopes of sharing at some 
>> point. I came across tiddlywinks. In theory, it sounds awesome. But, I have 
>> no clue where to start. And worse, I'm having a hard time understanding how 
>> to access whatever it is that I'm creating. 
>>
>> I'm a graphic design student and am feeling a little dumb at my lack of 
>> knowledge in the developing area.
>>
>> Where is a good place to go with just some very basic info?
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[TonyM]

Vayira;

Try TiddlyDesktop first, but also consider Getting a Portable Firefox ESR V 
52

There are a lot of solutions available and looking in this forum will help, 
however having a version which is a few steps behind even TWC (classic) 
could be an issue, have a go at upgrading (a copy)

Otherwise post in the forum for help.

Regards
Tony 

On Saturday, 2 December 2017 13:46:02 UTC+11, vayira wrote:
>
> I'm glad I ignored FF's messages about upgrading. I've been using TW 
> classic for so long I can't remember & I run my life from it. But I'm not 
> sure what to do now. 
>
> If I upgrade FF then I'll loose autosave by the looks of things. But will 
> I be able to save at all? I'm using TiddlyWiki (clasic) 2.6.6 
>
> My heart always sinks when I see my favourite software has been 
> "improved". 
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[vayira]

I'm glad I ignored FF's messages about upgrading. I've been using TW 
classic for so long I can't remember & I run my life from it. But I'm not 
sure what to do now. *TiddlyWiki  (clasic 
) 2.6.6*

If I upgrade FF then I'll loose autosave by the looks of things. But will I 
be able to save at all? I'm using TiddlyWiki (clasic) 2.6.6 

My heart always sinks when I see my favourite software has been "improved". 

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Gossip ...

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Traditionally, the internet has specialised in difficult things ;-)

>From your link:

"To maintain its influence over the development of the web, the Mozilla 
> Foundation will need the support of millions of passionate users who not 
> only appreciate the technical benefits of its software, but also the 
> Foundation’s advocacy for their rights on the internet."


At it's heart, Chrome was always a cynical ploy to insinuate Google's 
services into the fabric of the web and, even though we knew it, we 
accepted it because it was so shiny and fast. I'm still in awe of what 
Google have been able to achieve as a company, especially what they did for 
the early web, but most reasonable people can see it's gone too far at this 
point. They literally own a slice through the whole stack, from 
fibre-connections to javascript frameworks. The temptation to start being 
evil must be quite strong at this point.

They, along with Apple, have Firefox essentially locked out of the mobile 
space at the moment, though interestingly the article also points out that:

"Samsung, LG and Alibaba offer their own web browsers for mobile devices, 
> but they are based on WebKit, not Mozilla’s Gecko engine"


These companies, and others, might well reconsider their options now that 
that the best choice on many metrics is Quantum. We'll see. Even if Firefox 
remains locked out of the growing mobile sector, there's no reason not to 
expect them to increase their share on the desktop over the next 12 months.

Regards,
Richard



On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 11:09:39 PM UTC+11, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 2:50:23 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> In 2017, between January & the end of October Firefox's browser share 
>> dropped from 15.4% to 12.1%.
>>
>
> There is a good article about: Why it's difficult for FF to get back 
> market share:
>
> https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2017/11/21/mozilla-market-share/
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[Diego Mesa]

Hey Mario,

I've been trying out this plugin, and I am unsure as to the behavior I am 
seeing on my wiki. On my wiki, after installing this plugin and refreshing, 
and changing the styled color to orange so I can easily detect it, *all* 
normal links, eg. [[Existing Tiddler]], are orange. My pretty links remain 
as they were. Right now, none of my tiddlers contain caption or subtitle 
fields, so I expected to see no orange links.

On tiddywilki.com, when I install this plugin, refresh and open (the file I 
downloaded), and change the style to orange, all links remain unstyled, 
until I add the approrpaite fields. 

Its a bit hard for me to debug. Any help would be great!

Thanks!
Diego

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:21:16 PM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Just came across this! This is beautiful! Thanks Mario! 
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:37 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not PMario, but I can do short.
>>>
>>> Hate CamelCase? Use Caption instead. PMario's uni-link for Pretty Names.
>>>
>> like it ... 
>> -m
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Html Export

[tobaisch]

>
> first investigate how an existing one operates,


tried that, really, but I can not find an extisting exporter or a template.
That's why I ask here in the forum.
Regards
Tob

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[tw] Re: Confused and overwhelmed

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Heather,

Your pain is our collective failure to resolve an issue we've had for a 
long time. We are clearly not doing a good enough job of explaining 
Tiddlywiki to new users. 

It's nobody's fault, really. The very nature of tiddlywiki is to be 
non-linear and the website for Tiddlywiki *is* a Tiddlywiki, so it has 
*everything* crammed into it - the most advanced, esoteric topics right 
alongside the most basic information. For those of us who already (kind of) 
know what's going on, it's too easy to lose sight of just how confusing it 
is for newbies.

But, we really have to fix it if we want more people to use Tiddlywiki (and 
anyone who uses it should want that, because it's the best way to ensure it 
sticks around).

This problem is made ~1000 times worse with the current situation of having 
17 (!) different available saving mechanisms listed on the main page and 
expecting people to somehow know what's going on.

I'm really sorry you had such confusion but if you're willing to stick with 
it a little, we can help you figure it out and hopefully we will learn 
something from your experience that we can use to improve the documentation.

I'm assuming that you have an actual mac and not just iOS devices? If so, 
start like this.

1. Go to https://www.tiddlywiki.com
2. Scroll down to click the green button that says 'download empty'
3. Open the file that you downloaded - this is "a tiddlywiki" and it's 
running wholly on your own computer
4. Click the + icon in the sidebar to make a new tiddler
5. Notice that the 'tick in a circle' icon turns red - this means you have 
unsaved changes
6. Click the 'tick in a circle' icon to download another copy of your wiki
7. You can continue to add content to the copy you have open and "download" 
a new copy whenever you want to
8. You can host your wiki anywhere the same way you would host any html 
file, but you need to keep track of all the downloads to make sure you have 
the latest one

This is called the 'download saver' mechanism and the other 16 (!) methods 
all exist because it is quite clunky.

Tiddlywiki gives you complete control of your own information but of course 
the flip-side of that is it gives you complete responsibility. That's why 
it's so important to make sure you figure out the whole saving malarkey 
before you invest time in making anything substantial and hence why we have 
to make such a song-and-dance about it.

For every person who posts here, I bet there are literally hundreds who 
give up and walk away feeling stupid (you're not) so thank you very much 
for taking the time. I hope you'll give it another try and let us know if 
there's anything else that we can help you with. 

Regards,
Richard



On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 7:37:19 PM UTC+11, Heather Mcclelland wrote:
>
> Every time I start getting confident about my technical abilities, I find 
> something that puts me squarely in my place.
>
> I am an all over apple user. And that means I have info all over all my 
> apple devices, mostly in various apps and of course all over the cloud.
>
> I started googling personal knowledge management to see what I could do 
> about putting everything in one spot, in the hopes of sharing at some 
> point. I came across tiddlywinks. In theory, it sounds awesome. But, I have 
> no clue where to start. And worse, I'm having a hard time understanding how 
> to access whatever it is that I'm creating. 
>
> I'm a graphic design student and am feeling a little dumb at my lack of 
> knowledge in the developing area.
>
> Where is a good place to go with just some very basic info?
>
>

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[tw] Re: Html Export

[TonyM]

Tobaisch,

I recently needed to do the same, I did not bother creating a new exporter 
but instead edited the exported HTML to Remove the header and some other 
"imperfections".

Depending on your skills making a new exporter is not too complex, first 
investigate how an existing one operates, the clone the required tiddlers

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 2 December 2017 09:01:10 UTC+11, tobaisch wrote:
>
> Hello,
> short question:
> Is there a way to change the Html Export Settings?
> I don't like to export all my Tiddler-links & my TAG-Pills on the top of 
> the tiddler.
> Maybe, there is a export template to change it.
> Regards
> Tob
>

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[tw] Re: Weird Tag

[TonyM]

Captain Packers

Not a 100% answer but you may want to try the following.

I presume you cant open it with a click, can you change the colour to a 
known colour number not used by anything else?

It may be possible to search for that color name in the text of you wiki 
file opened in an editor, give it a better name and return to the wiki to 
delete it.

All it needs to exist is some tag field with some non space characters in 
it, by mistake. You could simply ignore it if you can't find the tiddler.

Perhaps it has a caption set?

Look under the tags menu in the side bar to see if you can find it, 

If you do not have many tiddlers or tags search/list for all tiddlers with 
a non blank tags field and check each one to find which is responcible.

Regards
Tony 


On Saturday, 2 December 2017 09:02:13 UTC+11, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I have this weird tag that shows up in my Tag Manager and the tag drop 
> list when I'm editing a tiddler (see attachment).
>
> Does anyone know where this comes from and how I can get rid of it?
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[Diego Mesa]

Just came across this! This is beautiful! Thanks Mario! 

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:37 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> I'm not PMario, but I can do short.
>>
>> Hate CamelCase? Use Caption instead. PMario's uni-link for Pretty Names.
>>
> like it ... 
> -m
>

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[tw] BUG: Extra paces in names could lead to overwriting tiddlers!

[Diego Mesa]

Attached are two tiddlers that illustrate this bug. 

*test.json*: This is the *original* tiddler with content: "original test 
text"

*test2.json*: Contains 4 links. The first three are all italicized 
indicating the target tiddler does not exist. Clicking each of these three 
links opens up three distinct tiddlers, all showing as missing. 

*BUG1*: If you edit *any* of these *three* tiddlers and save, you 
*overwrite* the original test tiddler with *no warning*! 

*BUG2*: A related bug can be seen by manually creating a new tiddler with 
title "test" (no quotes), noting the collision warning. If you then add a 
space, the collision warning banner disappears. *Note*: clicking save on 
this manually created new tiddler does behave correctly - you get an 
overwrite warning. This is true if the space is before, after, or both. 

I also posted this on the 
github: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3033

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test.json
Description: application/json


test2.json
Description: application/json

[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[coda coder]

Hi Alex

I've had no luck linking to files placed in the tiddlywiki/tiddlyserver 
structure, except in the root TS folder.

Try this from within one of your wikis served via TS and place the file in 
the root folder (that's C:\Wikis on my windows setup).

[ext[Open file|../test.txt]]

You can also use a path:

[ext[Open file|../test/test.txt]]


Good luck.


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:36:08 AM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Would it be possible to add to your tutorial how to link external files 
> from the wiki? I understand it should in theory be possible but I have been 
> unsuccessful so far ... I imagine I am not the only one.
>
> For example, I have a node.js tiddlywiki in folder X. I have added a file 
> to X/tiddlers/files/file.xxx
>
> How do I put a link to this file in the tiddler? I have tried
>
> < a href="tiddlers/files/file.xxx">external file< /a >
> < a href="files/file.xxx">external file< /a >
>
> But nothing works.
>
> On Friday, 22 September 2017 11:05:54 UTC+1, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: 
>> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>>
>> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as 
>> possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your 
>> feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>>
>> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
>> don't mind?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
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[tw] Weird Tag

[Captain Packers]

I have this weird tag that shows up in my Tag Manager and the tag drop list 
when I'm editing a tiddler (see attachment).

Does anyone know where this comes from and how I can get rid of it?

Thanks

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[tw] Html Export

[tobaisch]

Hello,
short question:
Is there a way to change the Html Export Settings?
I don't like to export alle my Tiddler-links & my TAG-Pills on the top of 
the tiddler.
Maybe, there is a export template to change it.
Regards
Tob

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[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Alex,

I will look into refreshing the tutorial soon but basically, the Node 
server is behaving like a 'real' web server with an IP address (and a port 
number), such as http://10.0.0.1:8080.

What this means is that there's no longer any logical link between what's 
being served and any other files on your computer. To link to one, you 
would need to give the full path to the file, from the root of your own 
drive and use the "file:' protocol instead of 'http:' so the link might 
look like "file:///Users/yourname/Desktop/file.txt". Except that generally 
won't work either because linking 'file' resources from 'http' ones is 
generally blocked.

This means you need another server to serve your local file over http 
before you can link to it. That isn't difficult at all (once you know how). 
The simplest way on a Mac is generally to use python's built in server 
(python -m SimpleHTTPServer) or with npm, you can install and run 
'http-server' which I covered briefly at the end of this 
page: https://www.didaxy.com/exporting-static-sites-from-tiddlywiki-part-1

Hope that helps a bit
Regards,
Richard


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 10:36:08 PM UTC+11, Alex wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Would it be possible to add to your tutorial how to link external files 
> from the wiki? I understand it should in theory be possible but I have been 
> unsuccessful so far ... I imagine I am not the only one.
>
> For example, I have a node.js tiddlywiki in folder X. I have added a file 
> to X/tiddlers/files/file.xxx
>
> How do I put a link to this file in the tiddler? I have tried
>
> < a href="tiddlers/files/file.xxx">external file< /a >
> < a href="files/file.xxx">external file< /a >
>
> But nothing works.
>
> On Friday, 22 September 2017 11:05:54 UTC+1, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: 
>> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>>
>> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as 
>> possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your 
>> feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>>
>> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
>> don't mind?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
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[tw] Re: Using variables in nested lists

[Jed Carty]

Sorry, looking at that now it isn't obvious what I am talking about but it 
looks like you already have the same idea anyway using last and butlast.

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[tw] Re: Using variables in nested lists

[Jed Carty]

For getting rid of the last comma, the same method I demonstrated here 
should work: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/D5CQvz_CpYw/0J0phbL4AwAJ

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Re: [tw] Re: Using variables in nested lists

[Diego Mesa]

Thanks Xavier! I think that butlast and last will work! 

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:49:10 PM UTC-6, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Diego,
>
> I think the following butlast/last trick was given by Jed Carty a few 
> hours ago. It looks quite verbose because the outer list is essentially 
> duplicated, but I think it handles your three issues.
>
> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]butlast[]]" 
> variable="fieldname">
> <$list filter="[splitbefore[-]removesuffix[-]]" 
> variable="fieldprint">
> <$text text=<>/> : <$link to=<>><$view  
> field=<>/>,
> 
> 
> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]last[]]" 
> variable="fieldname">
> <$list filter="[splitbefore[-]removesuffix[-]]" 
> variable="fieldprint">
> <$text text=<>/> : <$link to=<>><$view  
> field=<>/>.
> 
> 
>
> Best,
> X.
>
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Diego Mesa  > wrote:
>
>> After reading/searching/experimenting I got:
>>
>> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
>> <$list filter="[split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
>> <$text text=<>/>: <$view  field=<> /> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> There is still some confusion about the use of << vs < when referencing 
>> variables, and why I don't have to wrap  with [] 
>> before giving it to split. 
>>
>> Remaining issues:
>>
>>- actually making those render as URLs
>>- If I replace the  with a comma to get them all on one line, 
>>I'm left with a trailing comma
>>- If I instead try to generate external links as:  [[<$text 
>>text=<>/>|<$view field=<> />]]   it doesn't work. 
>>
>> There is still some residual confusion about using nested lists as nested 
>> for loop analogs, and how to actually use the variables in the "loops".
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:04:41 PM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I am trying to display a header for all posts tagged PoI that does, 
>>> among other things, display any urls I've placed in its fields. For 
>>> example, If I have a tiddler with the following fields:
>>>
>>> paper-url: test1.com
>>> hn-url: test2.com
>>> blog-url: test3.com
>>>
>>> I would like to have displayed
>>>
>>> Paper: test1.com
>>> HN: test2.com
>>> Blog: test3.com
>>>
>>> as the header. This is what I have so far:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
>>> <$list filter="[[<>]split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
>>> <$text text=<>/> : <$view  field=<>/> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> But this does not work. Without the split-before it renders as:
>>>
>>> <> : test1.com 
>>> <> : test2.com
>>> <> : test3.com
>>>
>>> which signifies that the <> isn't getting substituted 
>>> correctly in the inner list. I tried adding a <$set> between the nesting, 
>>> but that didn't work either. 
>>>
>>> Any specific (and general!) help would be greatly appreciated!
>>> Diego
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw] Using variables in nested lists

[Diego Mesa]

Thanks Xavier! I was using tobias split:before, but I think that will also 
work.

Another update! I am almost there with:

<$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
<$list filter="[split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
''<$text text=<>/>'': <$transclude field=<> 
mode="inline"/>, 



I still can't figure out how to not show the last comma. 

P.S. Sorry to keep spamming this with updates. You could see this as I 
prematurely posted and should have waited till I did more figure out, but: 
1. The act of asking clarifies for me 2. Posting this thought 
process/evolution might be useful to others in the future! 

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:29:30 PM UTC-6, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Diego,
>
> I think your second line should read:
>
> <$list filter="[splitbefore[-]removesuffix[-]]" 
> variable="fieldprint">
>
> Best,
> Xavier.
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Diego Mesa  > wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I am trying to display a header for all posts tagged PoI that does, among 
>> other things, display any urls I've placed in its fields. For example, If I 
>> have a tiddler with the following fields:
>>
>> paper-url: test1.com
>> hn-url: test2.com
>> blog-url: test3.com
>>
>> I would like to have displayed
>>
>> Paper: test1.com
>> HN: test2.com
>> Blog: test3.com
>>
>> as the header. This is what I have so far:
>>
>> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
>> <$list filter="[[<>]split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
>> <$text text=<>/> : <$view  field=<>/> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> But this does not work. Without the split-before it renders as:
>>
>> <> : test1.com 
>> <> : test2.com
>> <> : test3.com
>>
>> which signifies that the <> isn't getting substituted 
>> correctly in the inner list. I tried adding a <$set> between the nesting, 
>> but that didn't work either. 
>>
>> Any specific (and general!) help would be greatly appreciated!
>> Diego
>>
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Using variables in nested lists

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Diego,

I think the following butlast/last trick was given by Jed Carty a few hours
ago. It looks quite verbose because the outer list is essentially
duplicated, but I think it handles your three issues.

<$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]butlast[]]"
variable="fieldname">
<$list filter="[splitbefore[-]removesuffix[-]]"
variable="fieldprint">
<$text text=<>/> : <$link to=<>><$view
field=<>/>,


<$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]last[]]"
variable="fieldname">
<$list filter="[splitbefore[-]removesuffix[-]]"
variable="fieldprint">
<$text text=<>/> : <$link to=<>><$view
field=<>/>.



Best,
X.


-- Xavier Cazin

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Diego Mesa  wrote:

> After reading/searching/experimenting I got:
>
> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
> <$list filter="[split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
> <$text text=<>/>: <$view  field=<> /> 
> 
> 
>
> There is still some confusion about the use of << vs < when referencing
> variables, and why I don't have to wrap  with []
> before giving it to split.
>
> Remaining issues:
>
>- actually making those render as URLs
>- If I replace the  with a comma to get them all on one line, I'm
>left with a trailing comma
>- If I instead try to generate external links as:  [[<$text
>text=<>/>|<$view field=<> />]]   it doesn't work.
>
> There is still some residual confusion about using nested lists as nested
> for loop analogs, and how to actually use the variables in the "loops".
>
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:04:41 PM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I am trying to display a header for all posts tagged PoI that does, among
>> other things, display any urls I've placed in its fields. For example, If I
>> have a tiddler with the following fields:
>>
>> paper-url: test1.com
>> hn-url: test2.com
>> blog-url: test3.com
>>
>> I would like to have displayed
>>
>> Paper: test1.com
>> HN: test2.com
>> Blog: test3.com
>>
>> as the header. This is what I have so far:
>>
>> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
>> <$list filter="[[<>]split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
>> <$text text=<>/> : <$view  field=<>/> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> But this does not work. Without the split-before it renders as:
>>
>> <> : test1.com
>> <> : test2.com
>> <> : test3.com
>>
>> which signifies that the <> isn't getting substituted
>> correctly in the inner list. I tried adding a <$set> between the nesting,
>> but that didn't work either.
>>
>> Any specific (and general!) help would be greatly appreciated!
>> Diego
>>
>>
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[tw] Re: Table of Contents inside a tiddler

[Milind]

Hi,
   I am also looking for such a plugin to port my Tiddlywiki Classic to 
the new Tiddlywiki. The tidtoc mentioned here 
http://tidtoc.tiddlyspot.com/#GettingStarted looks very good. Is there a 
version where the headings grouped in the TOC can act as links to the 
headings in the tiddler? That was how the Tiddlywiki Classic TOC used to 
work. 

Thanks,
Milind


On Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:55:05 UTC-8, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>
> I use Tiddlywiki at work. I work with a lot of documents of different 
> types. Some are legal documents and affidavits. Others are contracts and 
> specifications. Some are well structured while others seem to ramble 
> pointlessly. Some are lengthy while others are very short. I need to be 
> able to figure out quickly which document contains a particular 
> requirement. I've found that Tiddlywiki with its search function, and 
> especially with Danielo's context search plugin, is almost perfect for my 
> task.Everyone I've shown my wikis to has been envious.
>
> One key criteria in my line of work: for existing documents, I must have 
> every word and character correct and in the right order. Most of these 
> documents must not be edited. For example, I can't change any part of an 
> existing contract. I can highlight portions of it but I must not change any 
> word or word order or punctuation mark. Using a clause from one document in 
> another is rare enough that simply copying is the obvious answer. 
>
> Consider the two alternate ways of doing things; the preferred Tiddlywiki 
> method of breaking my documents into small pieces and my current method, 
> the document dump.
>
> I don't so much create tiddlers as dump documents into them. Dumping a 
> document into a single tiddler is fast and easy. Open the word document. 
> Copy the entire thing. Open the wiki. Create a new Tiddler. Paste the 
> document into the tiddler. Name the tiddler to match the source document 
> name. And I'm done. If I care to preserve the formatting, I add three quote 
> marks at the beginning. Total time expended, perhaps a minute. If I really 
> want to make it pretty, I can spend 10-15 minutes adding exclamation marks 
> to mark headers or use Danielo's Keysnippet routine to convert some jumbles 
> into neat tables.
>
> This creates what can be a very large tiddler. The search function works 
> as expected and rapidly identifies which document contains which phrase. It 
> has every character and every word in exactly the right order. It 
> accomplishes what I need to accomplish with a minimal amount of effort.
>
> And the disadvantage? So far I haven't found one. If Tiddlywiki processes 
> the tiddler more slowly, I haven't noticed.
>
> By comparison, the Tiddlywiki preferred choice, lots of little tiddlers, 
> is a good deal of work. 
>
> I've tried copying and pasting individual segments from the word document 
> into individual tiddlers. Each smaller tiddler takes about the same amount 
> of time to set up as my much larger single tiddler but after that I'm still 
> not done. I still have to rebuild the original document from those 
> individual tiddlers and I have to verify that I got all the material 
> correctly. When that is done, I have to create a field and tagging system 
> so that each smaller tiddler will reflect its source document and sort 
> correctly so the table of contents will be right. 
>
> If I saw any real advantage to using a lot of little tiddlers to 
> accomplish the same thing that can be done with one large tiddler, I might 
> go ahead and spend the extra time. The last couple times I went through 
> this exercise, it took me hours rather than minutes. And what did I get for 
> my effort? As close as I can tell, nothing but older.
>
> One thing that would make my life easier would be a table of contents that 
> worked inside a single tiddler that was based on headers or some invisible 
> marker. I know this has been requested more than once and now, perhaps, you 
> can understand why I want one. A simple list of headers would be helpful. I 
> could then use the browser's Find command to jump to the appropriate 
> section.
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Re: [tw] Using variables in nested lists

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Diego,

I think your second line should read:

<$list filter="[splitbefore[-]removesuffix[-]]"
variable="fieldprint">

Best,
Xavier.

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On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Diego Mesa  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I am trying to display a header for all posts tagged PoI that does, among
> other things, display any urls I've placed in its fields. For example, If I
> have a tiddler with the following fields:
>
> paper-url: test1.com
> hn-url: test2.com
> blog-url: test3.com
>
> I would like to have displayed
>
> Paper: test1.com
> HN: test2.com
> Blog: test3.com
>
> as the header. This is what I have so far:
>
> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
> <$list filter="[[<>]split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
> <$text text=<>/> : <$view  field=<>/> 
> 
> 
>
> But this does not work. Without the split-before it renders as:
>
> <> : test1.com
> <> : test2.com
> <> : test3.com
>
> which signifies that the <> isn't getting substituted correctly
> in the inner list. I tried adding a <$set> between the nesting, but that
> didn't work either.
>
> Any specific (and general!) help would be greatly appreciated!
> Diego
>
>
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[tw] Re: Using variables in nested lists

[Diego Mesa]

After reading/searching/experimenting I got:

<$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
<$list filter="[split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
<$text text=<>/>: <$view  field=<> /> 



There is still some confusion about the use of << vs < when referencing 
variables, and why I don't have to wrap  with [] 
before giving it to split. 

Remaining issues:

   - actually making those render as URLs
   - If I replace the  with a comma to get them all on one line, I'm 
   left with a trailing comma
   - If I instead try to generate external links as:  [[<$text 
   text=<>/>|<$view field=<> />]]   it doesn't work. 

There is still some residual confusion about using nested lists as nested 
for loop analogs, and how to actually use the variables in the "loops".


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:04:41 PM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am trying to display a header for all posts tagged PoI that does, among 
> other things, display any urls I've placed in its fields. For example, If I 
> have a tiddler with the following fields:
>
> paper-url: test1.com
> hn-url: test2.com
> blog-url: test3.com
>
> I would like to have displayed
>
> Paper: test1.com
> HN: test2.com
> Blog: test3.com
>
> as the header. This is what I have so far:
>
> <$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
> <$list filter="[[<>]split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
> <$text text=<>/> : <$view  field=<>/> 
> 
> 
>
> But this does not work. Without the split-before it renders as:
>
> <> : test1.com 
> <> : test2.com
> <> : test3.com
>
> which signifies that the <> isn't getting substituted correctly 
> in the inner list. I tried adding a <$set> between the nesting, but that 
> didn't work either. 
>
> Any specific (and general!) help would be greatly appreciated!
> Diego
>
>
>

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[tw] Using variables in nested lists

[Diego Mesa]

Hey all,

I am trying to display a header for all posts tagged PoI that does, among 
other things, display any urls I've placed in its fields. For example, If I 
have a tiddler with the following fields:

paper-url: test1.com
hn-url: test2.com
blog-url: test3.com

I would like to have displayed

Paper: test1.com
HN: test2.com
Blog: test3.com

as the header. This is what I have so far:

<$list filter="[is[current]fields[]regexp[-url]]" variable="fieldname">
<$list filter="[[<>]split:before[-]]" variable="fieldprint">
<$text text=<>/> : <$view  field=<>/> 



But this does not work. Without the split-before it renders as:

<> : test1.com 
<> : test2.com
<> : test3.com

which signifies that the <> isn't getting substituted correctly 
in the inner list. I tried adding a <$set> between the nesting, but that 
didn't work either. 

Any specific (and general!) help would be greatly appreciated!
Diego


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Top Toolbar Plugin Question

[Diego Mesa]

Just wanted to note here about the scrolling issue I asked above, Tobias 
addressed it in his top bar:

https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#TopBar%20With%20Icon%20Links

with a "hack"

https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#%24%3A%2Fhack-142-scroll-pagescroller.js 

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 3:14:57 PM UTC-6, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Birthe & Diego,
>
> @Birthe
> Smart of you to pin it down to my Bluish palette. Thanks.
>
> @Diego
> Thanks for reporting.
> As far as I can see, the colors do work for the Vanilla theme and several 
> palettes but not my Bluish palette.
>
> I started in the alpha phase of TW5 with a Bluish theme (at that moment 
> there were no palettes yet).
> Some time ago I thought I ought to split my Bluish theme in a 'Emphasized 
> titles' theme and a Bluish palette.
> There are some hardcoded colors in my Bluish palette that interfere.
> Work to do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>

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[tw] Re: Comma-separated lists in TW5

[Mat]

Rob Hoelz wrote:
>
> [...] render a list of items as a comma-separated list.
>


I had the same problem just some weeks ago. Solved it with CSS like so:

<$list filter="..."/>


.commas span:not(:last-child):after {content:", ";}
 


<:-)

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[tw] Re: Confused and overwhelmed

[Mat]

Welcome Heather,

You indicated that you want a tool for "personal knowledge management". TW 
is a very good choice but it does have a steep learning curve. However it 
is also "discoverable" in that you can use it out of the box and add more 
advanced stuff as your demands increase.

What did you try thus far? What instructions did you follow thus far?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to make [list[!!mylistfield]] not delete duplicated values?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There's a PR ( #2963) to add that capability. It was ready two releases ago.


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:59:17 AM UTC-8, sini-Kit wrote:
>
> I have found old split plugin. And it works
>
> {{{[split:mylistfield[ ]nth[2]]}}}
>
> Filter operator for splitting each current list element
> into several new elements.
>
>
> but may be it is possible to get the same result using standard tiddlywiki 
> filters?
>
>
>
> пятница, 1 декабря 2017 г., 16:07:28 UTC+3 пользователь TonyM написал:
>
>> The removal 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to make [list[!!mylistfield]] not delete duplicated values?

[sini-Kit]

I have found old split plugin. And it works

{{{[split:mylistfield[ ]nth[2]]}}}

Filter operator for splitting each current list element
into several new elements.


but may be it is possible to get the same result using standard tiddlywiki 
filters?



пятница, 1 декабря 2017 г., 16:07:28 UTC+3 пользователь TonyM написал:

> The removal 

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[tw] Re: Confused and overwhelmed

[Diego Mesa]

Hello!

I'd also like to stress that https://tiddlywiki.com/ while containing a lot 
of information, is also a fully working tiddlywiki itself! I use this all 
the time to try stuff out and experiment! 

Diego


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 7:05:44 AM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
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> There is a wealth of information within https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> and a lot more around. Search for anything in google including TiddlyWiki 
> and you will see. Just keep an open mind and play. Ask questions here, in 
> the group people will answer do not be afraid or embarrassed.
>
> Some things are very east to learn and others quite difficult but we help 
> each other and many minds are thinking how to help people like yourself.
>
> See this forum online and use search within it for great results, just 
> choose to move on if the thread is too technical for the time being.
>
> TiddlyWiki is brilliant see this 
> 
>  to 
> see they way enthusiasts describe tiddlywiki and you will be hooked, but 
> you are starting starting a journey.
>
> TiddlyWiki has being the key to my personal knowledge management for many 
> years now, trust me :)
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw] [TW5] How to make [list[!!mylistfield]] not delete duplicated values?

[TonyM]

The removal 

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[tw] Re: Confused and overwhelmed

[TonyM]

There is a wealth of information within https://tiddlywiki.com/

and a lot more around. Search for anything in google including TiddlyWiki 
and you will see. Just keep an open mind and play. Ask questions here, in 
the group people will answer do not be afraid or embarrassed.

Some things are very east to learn and others quite difficult but we help 
each other and many minds are thinking how to help people like yourself.

See this forum online and use search within it for great results, just 
choose to move on if the thread is too technical for the time being.

TiddlyWiki is brilliant see this 

 to 
see they way enthusiasts describe tiddlywiki and you will be hooked, but 
you are starting starting a journey.

TiddlyWiki has being the key to my personal knowledge management for many 
years now, trust me :)

Tony

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[tw] Re: Tiddly Gossip ...

[PMario]

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 2:50:23 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> In 2017, between January & the end of October Firefox's browser share 
> dropped from 15.4% to 12.1%.
>

There is a good article about: Why it's difficult for FF to get back market 
share:

https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2017/11/21/mozilla-market-share/

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[Alex]

Hi,

Would it be possible to add to your tutorial how to link external files 
from the wiki? I understand it should in theory be possible but I have been 
unsuccessful so far ... I imagine I am not the only one.

For example, I have a node.js tiddlywiki in folder X. I have added a file 
to X/tiddlers/files/file.xxx

How do I put a link to this file in the tiddler? I have tried

< a href="tiddlers/files/file.xxx">external file< /a >
< a href="files/file.xxx">external file< /a >

But nothing works.

On Friday, 22 September 2017 11:05:54 UTC+1, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: 
> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>
> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as 
> possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your 
> feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>
> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
> don't mind?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>

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[tw] [TW5] How to make [list[!!mylistfield]] not delete duplicated values?

[sini-Kit]

Hi! 

I have NewTiddler with field mylistfield contains some values "1000 1000 
2000 3000 4000"
 when I use
<$list filter="[list[!!mylistfield]nth[2]]"/>
I get the result 2000 (so my filter remove one 1000 value)
I want my filter *not* remove duplicated values, and I want to get result 
1000

is it possible?

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[tw] Re: How to get mytemplate title when we use {{||mytemplate}}?

[sini-Kit]

Thank you Tony. Your variant works good.

четверг, 30 ноября 2017 г., 11:32:02 UTC+3 пользователь TonyM написал:
>
> Siniy,
>
> I presume it is not good enough to have in the template tiddler
>  text <>, [[mytemplate]]?
>
> Since you know the name of the template when you transclude it, why not 
> make a macro that creates a variable and transcludes the template?
>
> Perhaps you could have a global macro of this form (tested)
>
> \define displaytemplate(templatename)
>
> <$set name=template value=$templatename$>
>
> {{||$templatename$}} 
>
> 
> \end
>
>
> In the calling tiddler
> <>
>
> In the MyTemplate Tiddler
>
> <>, <>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw] Confused and overwhelmed

[Heather Mcclelland]

Every time I start getting confident about my technical abilities, I find 
something that puts me squarely in my place.

I am an all over apple user. And that means I have info all over all my 
apple devices, mostly in various apps and of course all over the cloud.

I started googling personal knowledge management to see what I could do 
about putting everything in one spot, in the hopes of sharing at some 
point. I came across tiddlywinks. In theory, it sounds awesome. But, I have 
no clue where to start. And worse, I'm having a hard time understanding how 
to access whatever it is that I'm creating. 

I'm a graphic design student and am feeling a little dumb at my lack of 
knowledge in the developing area.

Where is a good place to go with just some very basic info?

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