[tw5] Re: $linkcatcher widget, need an example

[Mohammad]

I found the solution

It seems the $linkcatcher  catch the link action so, if one needs to 
navigate shall pass a message to $linkcatcher
The logic is a bit confusing

Example

   - link and navigate to clicked title
   - capture the title of clicked item and store in my tiddler given 
   through a variable


<$linkcatcher set=<> setTo=<<__item__>> message="tm-navigate">
<$link to=<<__item__>> overrideClass=<> >
  <$view tiddler=<<__item__>> field="caption">
<$view tiddler=<<__item__>> field="title">
  




Remarks

   - a link to item is created (item holds a title is given through macro 
   input parameter
   - a proper form of caption/title is shown using $view widget
   - on click linkcatcher use the tm-navigate to navigate to tiddler its 
   title is given by item
   - the title of clicked item is stored in a temporary tiddler 
   (tidSelectedItem holds the title of temporary tiddler)


--Mohammad



On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 10:33:58 AM UTC+3:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I am using $link to create some links using $list widget!
>
> I want to save the title of clicked item in a temporary tiddler for 
> further processing. We know the $link widget does not supports actions
>
> How can I do this?
>
>
> <$link to=<>><$text text=<>/>
> <$linkcatcher actions="""<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> 
> text=<> />""" />
>
>
> here the tidSelectedItem is a variable refers to my temporary tiddler to 
> keep the title of clicked item
>
>
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] $linkcatcher widget, need an example

[Mohammad]

I am using $link to create some links using $list widget!

I want to save the title of clicked item in a temporary tiddler for further 
processing. We know the $link widget does not supports actions

How can I do this?


<$link to=<>><$text text=<>/>
<$linkcatcher actions="""<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> 
text=<> />""" />


here the tidSelectedItem is a variable refers to my temporary tiddler to 
keep the title of clicked item


Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] JsonMangler v2.0.9 Release!

[Mohammad]

Good move Joshua!
Thank you for sharing!

I think the interface still can be polished, specifically the left/right 
next/previous buttons on the header section.
More simple examples lets user get a quick start with JsonMangler.

--Mohammad

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 11:35:30 PM UTC+3:30, Joshua Fontany 
wrote:
>
> *What's New?*
>
>
>- General bug fix and cleanup of the previous "Over 9000 Csv" release.
>- Exposed the rest of the PapaParse "parsing" options like: delimiter, 
>new_line, quote_char, escape_char
>- Changed importing to async functions.
>- Changed importing to collect all individual row tiddlers into a 
>Plugin as shadow-tiddlers!
>- Cleaned up UI.
>- Moved Csv Help to the ReadMe.
>
>
> Try it out! Import all the Data!
>
> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler/releases/tag/v2.0.9
>
> https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-JsonMangler/
>
> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

[Mohammad]

I like both idea with three! triad tetra, ...

As Josiah also described above TW is not a dedicated note taking tool nor a 
website or personal wiki generator!
so, these suggestion which refer to multi aspects of TW is great!

W can refer to Web, as the app is kind of web program (works in browsers)  
or world (the world of paperless, the digital age), ...

--Mohammad

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 4:02:05 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Grigor,
>
> Triad is closely associated with triad gangs in asia, basically the asian 
> mafia. 
>
> However your idea is compelling with another form of "three", I am looking 
> at tetra from the tetrahedra, the regular version being a triangular 
> pyramid (regular tetrahedron)
>
> The nice thing about a triangular pyramid is also has a base/foundation Ie 
> Based on Internet standard technologies html/css/javascript 
> then has three faces application, website and database?
>
> How to connect this with W, well that's another project
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 4:16:55 AM UTC+11, Grigor wrote:
>>
>> Thinking of a possible new name, I'd chime in with:
>>
>> *TriadWare Framework* 
>>
>> (TWF.X-1.0.1-alpha TWF.X-3 etc.)
>>
>> This is my best idea (so far)... And look... No hits! Whatsoever:
>> https://www.google.com/search?q="triadware;
>>
>> Was thinking also of: TriadicWare tri.way TriWay TrippleWay Tripl.eWare 
>> (quite similar to Tupperware, which I see that is often being abbreviated 
>> as TW too :) 
>>
>> Back to my best idea, the triadic theme would then be developed in the 
>> catch phrases / hooks:
>>
>> Meet the TriadWare Framework : Own it like a document, use it like a 
>> website, (and needs a 3rd to complete the triad! Like: program it to your 
>> needs (?) etc.)
>>
>> Meet TriadWare: 
>> Single file website, database, application 
>> Portable Programmable Platform
>> Smart documentation, wiki, (and so on)
>>
>> Those hooks could be a triad of triads, as above, like in a game of tic 
>> tac toe, but I might already be loosing your attention so I'll stop here... 
>>
>> Well, maybe just this last one (joke?): 
>>
>> *You'll hardly get any treadwear with TriadWare: Rolling fine, in all 
>> browsers, since 1997!*
>>
>> -g-
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 9:01:03 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, this is a great discussion, and very helpful. Please don’t be 
>>> afraid to chime in, this is an important decision and it would be great to 
>>> have the broadest possible feedback.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Create Non-Existing Tiddler from Search

['LorenzGL' via TiddlyWiki]

Birthe, this was exactly the plugin I meant. Thanks!

I also found an alternative approach based on @TonyM's suggestion and that 
is to customize the search results 
(https://tiddlywiki.com/#Customising%20search%20results) to also include a 
link to the literal search term, which can then be clicked to trigger the 
"create missing tiddler" behavior.

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 6:38:43 PM UTC-8, Birthe C wrote:
>
> I think this from Pmario could be the plugin you are looking for
>
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/new-tiddler-from-search/. 
> 
>
>
> Birthe
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Create Non-Existing Tiddler from Search

[Birthe C]

I think this from Pmario could be the plugin you are looking for

https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/new-tiddler-from-search/. 



Birthe

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] JsonMangler v2.0.9 Release!

[TonyM]

Post script

Installing this in an empty.html is enough to create a valuable tool and 
the results of the manipulations can then be transferred to any tiddlywiki 
but various means.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:49:00 PM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Josua,
>
> This is feature rich, thanks for continuing to develop it. There are a lot 
> of things available given the existence of this tool that were not 
> available to tiddlywiki users before. Anyone wanting to import, package 
> json data including tiddler jsons would be advised to look at its 
> capabilities.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 7:05:30 AM UTC+11, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>>
>> *What's New?*
>>
>>
>>- General bug fix and cleanup of the previous "Over 9000 Csv" release.
>>- Exposed the rest of the PapaParse "parsing" options like: 
>>delimiter, new_line, quote_char, escape_char
>>- Changed importing to async functions.
>>- Changed importing to collect all individual row tiddlers into a 
>>Plugin as shadow-tiddlers!
>>- Cleaned up UI.
>>- Moved Csv Help to the ReadMe.
>>
>>
>> Try it out! Import all the Data!
>>
>> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler/releases/tag/v2.0.9
>>
>> https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-JsonMangler/
>>
>> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua Fontany
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] JsonMangler v2.0.9 Release!

[TonyM]

Josua,

This is feature rich, thanks for continuing to develop it. There are a lot 
of things available given the existence of this tool that were not 
available to tiddlywiki users before. Anyone wanting to import, package 
json data including tiddler jsons would be advised to look at its 
capabilities.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 7:05:30 AM UTC+11, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> *What's New?*
>
>
>- General bug fix and cleanup of the previous "Over 9000 Csv" release.
>- Exposed the rest of the PapaParse "parsing" options like: delimiter, 
>new_line, quote_char, escape_char
>- Changed importing to async functions.
>- Changed importing to collect all individual row tiddlers into a 
>Plugin as shadow-tiddlers!
>- Cleaned up UI.
>- Moved Csv Help to the ReadMe.
>
>
> Try it out! Import all the Data!
>
> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler/releases/tag/v2.0.9
>
> https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-JsonMangler/
>
> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>

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[tw5] Re: Create Non-Existing Tiddler from Search

[TonyM]

Existing manual method;


   - If you search for a non existent tiddler, eg tetrahedron
   - Click Advanced search > Filter
   - It will be listed below as missing and you can click to create it.

I am looking at enhancing the search mechanism with me own plugin, I will 
consider adding this;

As a quick solution the attached json (single tiddler) displays a link to 
the missing tiddler below the advanced search (only after clicking advanced 
search) such that you can click to create. However you could modify the 
tiddler Open Missing to create new from a template and more.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 11:34:29 AM UTC+11, LorenzGL wrote:
>
> I've seen this feature around but am now unable to find the plugin(?) 
> again: I would like a add button to appear next to the search field in the 
> sidebar for Riddlers that cannot be found. The newly created tiddler would 
> then take the title from the search word(s).
>
> Anyone out there who knows what I'm looking for?
>

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Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

[TonyM]

Yes, It operates separately from the browsers 
however https://www.file.net/process/mshta.exe.html suggests It is usually 
installed with Internet Explorer and is executed by the mshta.exe file 
however I would not be surprised if it is in Windows 10 natively.

It is not in itself risky however some malware has used it (modified copy).

Regards
Tony

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 11:40:50 AM UTC+11, Scott Kingery wrote:
>
> On my Win 10 box running the new Chromium Edge I just download empty.html, 
> renamed it empty.hta and it opens under something called "Microsoft HTML 
> Application Host". Saves seem to work. The icon on the file looks like a 
> generic application icon and not a web page icon.
>
> I dragged in a tiddlywiki.html file I use all the time and it imported. I 
> get javascript errors when I refresh or load but I think that is due to the 
> animated "loading" splash screen I have in the file.
>
> This was a 5-minute test so your mileage may vary.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 4:09:28 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> There are two versions of Edge. I believe the "new" and future version of 
>> Edge is the Chromium version which, per PMario, may not work with .hta 
>> files. (or may work if a lot of extra support files are installed).
>>
>> It's possible to install both versions of Edge, so if you're interested 
>> you might install the new Chromium version to see if .hta still works.  
>>
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> On my windows 10 I load a hta at startup, and it continues to work. I 
>>> have Windows Explorer 11 installed but providing the hta file to edge it 
>>> opens and continues to work. However they make it hard for me to determine 
>>> the version of edge running. So I am now installing the "latest".
>>>
>>> On opening hta files with the new version of edge and IE11 installed I 
>>> see it opens on its own process mshta.exe (dated ‎Tuesday, ‎19 ‎March 
>>> ‎2019, ‏‎3:46:01 PM) so I believe it is somewhat independent from the local 
>>> browser choice.
>>>
>>> I recently saw (perhaps from Eric) this simple html download (Which 
>>> downloads the wiki as found as a file on your server, without any changed 
>>> tiddlers)
>>>
>>>  download this file to a windows 
>>> However it is not working in firefox when I just tested it now
>>>
>>>
>>> I am working on a download button as we speak
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:49:07 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:



 On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:30:39 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and 
>> then open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either 
>> version 
>> of MS Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.
>>
>
> For me this doesn't work anymore with latest windows 10 update and 
> chromium Edge
>
>
 Is that the "new" Edge? Have they stopped calling it "developer" 
 edition? Obviously I'm a bit out of the loop ;-)

 I guess I'm wondering which version they currently ship with. That 
 would be the version most people will use. I found the 
 original Edge had some serious problems, but it's possible it still 
 does the .hta thing.
  

> I really don't want to mess with these settings and install my windows 
> again afterwards: 
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode
>
>
 That would be definitely beyond the call of duty


 -m
>


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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

[Scott Kingery]

On my Win 10 box running the new Chromium Edge I just download empty.html, 
renamed it empty.hta and it opens under something called "Microsoft HTML 
Application Host". Saves seem to work. The icon on the file looks like a 
generic application icon and not a web page icon.

I dragged in a tiddlywiki.html file I use all the time and it imported. I 
get javascript errors when I refresh or load but I think that is due to the 
animated "loading" splash screen I have in the file.

This was a 5-minute test so your mileage may vary.

Scott

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 4:09:28 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> There are two versions of Edge. I believe the "new" and future version of 
> Edge is the Chromium version which, per PMario, may not work with .hta 
> files. (or may work if a lot of extra support files are installed).
>
> It's possible to install both versions of Edge, so if you're interested 
> you might install the new Chromium version to see if .hta still works.  
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> On my windows 10 I load a hta at startup, and it continues to work. I 
>> have Windows Explorer 11 installed but providing the hta file to edge it 
>> opens and continues to work. However they make it hard for me to determine 
>> the version of edge running. So I am now installing the "latest".
>>
>> On opening hta files with the new version of edge and IE11 installed I 
>> see it opens on its own process mshta.exe (dated ‎Tuesday, ‎19 ‎March 
>> ‎2019, ‏‎3:46:01 PM) so I believe it is somewhat independent from the local 
>> browser choice.
>>
>> I recently saw (perhaps from Eric) this simple html download (Which 
>> downloads the wiki as found as a file on your server, without any changed 
>> tiddlers)
>>
>>  download this file to a windows 
>> However it is not working in firefox when I just tested it now
>>
>>
>> I am working on a download button as we speak
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:49:07 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:

 On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:30:39 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

 On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and 
> then open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either version 
> of MS Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.
>

 For me this doesn't work anymore with latest windows 10 update and 
 chromium Edge


>>> Is that the "new" Edge? Have they stopped calling it "developer" 
>>> edition? Obviously I'm a bit out of the loop ;-)
>>>
>>> I guess I'm wondering which version they currently ship with. That would 
>>> be the version most people will use. I found the 
>>> original Edge had some serious problems, but it's possible it still does 
>>> the .hta thing.
>>>  
>>>
 I really don't want to mess with these settings and install my windows 
 again afterwards: 
 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode


>>> That would be definitely beyond the call of duty
>>>
>>>
>>> -m

>>>

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[tw5] Create Non-Existing Tiddler from Search

['LorenzGL' via TiddlyWiki]

I've seen this feature around but am now unable to find the plugin(?) 
again: I would like a add button to appear next to the search field in the 
sidebar for Riddlers that cannot be found. The newly created tiddler would 
then take the title from the search word(s).

Anyone out there who knows what I'm looking for?

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

[TonyM]

Grigor,

Triad is closely associated with triad gangs in asia, basically the asian 
mafia. 

However your idea is compelling with another form of "three", I am looking 
at tetra from the tetrahedra, the regular version being a triangular 
pyramid (regular tetrahedron)

The nice thing about a triangular pyramid is also has a base/foundation Ie 
Based on Internet standard technologies html/css/javascript 
then has three faces application, website and database?

How to connect this with W, well that's another project

Regards
Tony

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 4:16:55 AM UTC+11, Grigor wrote:
>
> Thinking of a possible new name, I'd chime in with:
>
> *TriadWare Framework* 
>
> (TWF.X-1.0.1-alpha TWF.X-3 etc.)
>
> This is my best idea (so far)... And look... No hits! Whatsoever:
> https://www.google.com/search?q="triadware;
>
> Was thinking also of: TriadicWare tri.way TriWay TrippleWay Tripl.eWare 
> (quite similar to Tupperware, which I see that is often being abbreviated 
> as TW too :) 
>
> Back to my best idea, the triadic theme would then be developed in the 
> catch phrases / hooks:
>
> Meet the TriadWare Framework : Own it like a document, use it like a 
> website, (and needs a 3rd to complete the triad! Like: program it to your 
> needs (?) etc.)
>
> Meet TriadWare: 
> Single file website, database, application 
> Portable Programmable Platform
> Smart documentation, wiki, (and so on)
>
> Those hooks could be a triad of triads, as above, like in a game of tic 
> tac toe, but I might already be loosing your attention so I'll stop here... 
>
> Well, maybe just this last one (joke?): 
>
> *You'll hardly get any treadwear with TriadWare: Rolling fine, in all 
> browsers, since 1997!*
>
> -g-
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 9:01:03 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Yes, this is a great discussion, and very helpful. Please don’t be afraid 
>> to chime in, this is an important decision and it would be great to have 
>> the broadest possible feedback.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There are two versions of Edge. I believe the "new" and future version of 
Edge is the Chromium version which, per PMario, may not work with .hta 
files. (or may work if a lot of extra support files are installed).

It's possible to install both versions of Edge, so if you're interested you 
might install the new Chromium version to see if .hta still works.  

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> On my windows 10 I load a hta at startup, and it continues to work. I have 
> Windows Explorer 11 installed but providing the hta file to edge it opens 
> and continues to work. However they make it hard for me to determine the 
> version of edge running. So I am now installing the "latest".
>
> On opening hta files with the new version of edge and IE11 installed I see 
> it opens on its own process mshta.exe (dated ‎Tuesday, ‎19 ‎March ‎2019, 
> ‏‎3:46:01 PM) so I believe it is somewhat independent from the local 
> browser choice.
>
> I recently saw (perhaps from Eric) this simple html download (Which 
> downloads the wiki as found as a file on your server, without any changed 
> tiddlers)
>
>  download this file to a windows 
> However it is not working in firefox when I just tested it now
>
>
> I am working on a download button as we speak
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:49:07 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:30:39 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and 
 then open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either version 
 of MS Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.

>>>
>>> For me this doesn't work anymore with latest windows 10 update and 
>>> chromium Edge
>>>
>>>
>> Is that the "new" Edge? Have they stopped calling it "developer" edition? 
>> Obviously I'm a bit out of the loop ;-)
>>
>> I guess I'm wondering which version they currently ship with. That would 
>> be the version most people will use. I found the 
>> original Edge had some serious problems, but it's possible it still does 
>> the .hta thing.
>>  
>>
>>> I really don't want to mess with these settings and install my windows 
>>> again afterwards: 
>>> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode
>>>
>>>
>> That would be definitely beyond the call of duty
>>
>>
>> -m
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to display yesterday's date? (And n days ago etc.)

[TonyM]

SI,

I am having a look a loop, and it may be of some value. I have a 
sophisticated bespoke todo organizer in tiddlywiki and have dates covered, 
so if you have any more specific questions I can answer. 

To meet your original request you need to use the days operator with [-7] 
against the modified or created dates. 

I made a great discovery that almost no one seems to understand but on a 
given task/habit tiddler I only ever apply a date stamp ie; now, when I do 
something and it is the list widget that determines if they should appear 
in a list either for the past or the future. So if the monday tiddler was 
last date stamped more than -7 days it appears for this monday.

The picaday plugin is important, and sophisticated date calculations are 
available in Evans Formulae plugin however I can do all I want without it.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 7:18:27 AM UTC+11, si wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm aspiring to build a habit tracker with TiddlyWiki with similar 
> functionality to the Android app Loop 
> 
> .
>
> The first thing I wanted to do was list every date for the last week, 
> which I thought would be easy, but immediately hit a wall.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>

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[tw5] Re: Creating a new template failing at inline styles

[T. E. Sanders]

Figured it out with this:

<$vars foregroundColor=<> backgroundColor="""$colour$""">

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 4:27:45 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Not sure what the "set" was supposed to be doing. If I understand what you 
> want, this seems to work:
>
> \whitespace trim
> 
> <>
> 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:06:44 PM UTC-8, T. E. Sanders wrote:
>>
>> Hey all, I'm trying to write a template. It works as a template in that 
>> it renders the currentTiddler, but if I try to use the color from the 
>> tiddler on the background, it doesn't evaluate and simply renders the text 
>> as-is.
>>
>> For example
>> \whitespace trim
>> \define col() {{!!color}}
>> <$set name="transclusion" value=<>>
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> doesn't work. Neither did style="background-color:{{!!color}}" and it 
>> doesn't matter if I use quotes or not. Clearly I'm missing some syntax or 
>> something.
>> The goal is just to make the background the color set in the color field. 
>> Ideas?
>>
>

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[tw5] Exporting several tiddlers to a JSON file using --rendertiddler - looking for more documentation

[Cade Roux]

I'm looking for any more examples or exposition of the --render, 
--rendertiddler, and --rendertiddlers commands.

What I am doing is exporting a set of tiddlers from a tiddlywiki into a 
single JSON file to be processed by a program/script.

This is my current command in PowerShell with appropriate escaping and it 
works fine:

& tiddlywiki --% TestsVerified --verbose --rendertiddler 
"$:/core/templates/exporters/JsonFile" TestsVerified.json text/plain "" 
exportFilter "[regexp:title[^(XmlOutput|TestVerified):.*]]"

But I don't understand which parameter that "" is supposed to be a 
placeholder for:

--rendertiddler   [] [] [] []


is what the documentation has with the example:

--rendertiddler "$:/core/templates/exporters/JsonFile" output.json text/plain 
"" exportFilter "[tag[done]]"


and the documentation also says that --render can replace the other two 
commands, but I'm not sure what would be equivalent.

Any pointers to more docs on this would be appreciated.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

[TonyM]

Folks,

On my windows 10 I load a hta at startup, and it continues to work. I have 
Windows Explorer 11 installed but providing the hta file to edge it opens 
and continues to work. However they make it hard for me to determine the 
version of edge running. So I am now installing the "latest".

On opening hta files with the new version of edge and IE11 installed I see 
it opens on its own process mshta.exe (dated ‎Tuesday, ‎19 ‎March ‎2019, 
‏‎3:46:01 PM) so I believe it is somewhat independent from the local 
browser choice.

I recently saw (perhaps from Eric) this simple html download (Which 
downloads the wiki as found as a file on your server, without any changed 
tiddlers)

 download this file to a windows 
However it is not working in firefox when I just tested it now


I am working on a download button as we speak


Regards

Tony





On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:49:07 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:30:39 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and then 
>>> open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either version of MS 
>>> Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.
>>>
>>
>> For me this doesn't work anymore with latest windows 10 update and 
>> chromium Edge
>>
>>
> Is that the "new" Edge? Have they stopped calling it "developer" edition? 
> Obviously I'm a bit out of the loop ;-)
>
> I guess I'm wondering which version they currently ship with. That would 
> be the version most people will use. I found the 
> original Edge had some serious problems, but it's possible it still does 
> the .hta thing.
>  
>
>> I really don't want to mess with these settings and install my windows 
>> again afterwards: 
>> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode
>>
>>
> That would be definitely beyond the call of duty
>
>
> -m
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:30:39 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and then 
>> open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either version of MS 
>> Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.
>>
>
> For me this doesn't work anymore with latest windows 10 update and 
> chromium Edge
>
>
Is that the "new" Edge? Have they stopped calling it "developer" edition? 
Obviously I'm a bit out of the loop ;-)

I guess I'm wondering which version they currently ship with. That would be 
the version most people will use. I found the 
original Edge had some serious problems, but it's possible it still does 
the .hta thing.
 

> I really don't want to mess with these settings and install my windows 
> again afterwards: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode
>
>
That would be definitely beyond the call of duty


-m
>

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[tw5] Re: Creating a new template failing at inline styles

[T. E. Sanders]

Oh man THANK YOU! Out of all the digging I didn't spot anything that looked 
like this. Works great. However, now I need to make the foreground work in 
contrast to that. I know there's a way to do it as I've seen it in 
TiddlyWiki here and there. It seems to be aware when the background is too 
dark to create white text versus dark text. 

What magic is that?


On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 4:27:45 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Not sure what the "set" was supposed to be doing. If I understand what you 
> want, this seems to work:
>
> \whitespace trim
> 
> <>
> 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:06:44 PM UTC-8, T. E. Sanders wrote:
>>
>> Hey all, I'm trying to write a template. It works as a template in that 
>> it renders the currentTiddler, but if I try to use the color from the 
>> tiddler on the background, it doesn't evaluate and simply renders the text 
>> as-is.
>>
>> For example
>> \whitespace trim
>> \define col() {{!!color}}
>> <$set name="transclusion" value=<>>
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> doesn't work. Neither did style="background-color:{{!!color}}" and it 
>> doesn't matter if I use quotes or not. Clearly I'm missing some syntax or 
>> something.
>> The goal is just to make the background the color set in the color field. 
>> Ideas?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to display yesterday's date? (And n days ago etc.)

[Mat]

Mark S. wrote:
>
> "from Mat or someone very much like him"
>

Ain't *nobody* like Mat!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Creating a new template failing at inline styles

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Not sure what the "set" was supposed to be doing. If I understand what you 
want, this seems to work:

\whitespace trim

<>




On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:06:44 PM UTC-8, T. E. Sanders wrote:
>
> Hey all, I'm trying to write a template. It works as a template in that it 
> renders the currentTiddler, but if I try to use the color from the tiddler 
> on the background, it doesn't evaluate and simply renders the text as-is.
>
> For example
> \whitespace trim
> \define col() {{!!color}}
> <$set name="transclusion" value=<>>
> 
> <>
> 
> 
>
> doesn't work. Neither did style="background-color:{{!!color}}" and it 
> doesn't matter if I use quotes or not. Clearly I'm missing some syntax or 
> something.
> The goal is just to make the background the color set in the color field. 
> Ideas?
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

[PMario]

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:30:39 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and then 
> open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either version of MS 
> Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.
>

For me this doesn't work anymore with latest windows 10 update and chromium 
Edge

I really don't want to mess with these settings and install my windows 
again afterwards: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode

-m

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[tw5] Creating a new template failing at inline styles

[T. E. Sanders]

Hey all, I'm trying to write a template. It works as a template in that it 
renders the currentTiddler, but if I try to use the color from the tiddler 
on the background, it doesn't evaluate and simply renders the text as-is.

For example
\whitespace trim
\define col() {{!!color}}
<$set name="transclusion" value=<>>

<>



doesn't work. Neither did style="background-color:{{!!color}}" and it 
doesn't matter if I use quotes or not. Clearly I'm missing some syntax or 
something.
The goal is just to make the background the color set in the color field. 
Ideas?

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[tw5] Re: How to display yesterday's date? (And n days ago etc.)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The native TiddlyWiki toolkit is rather sparse when it comes to dates. But 
you could use Jed Carty's date macros:

https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DateMacros/

which I found using the TiddlyWiki Toolmap 


Those are javascript-based macros. I have some pure tiddly text macros I 
wrote with help from Mat or someone very much like him that I could repost 
if you're a "purist".


On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:18:27 PM UTC-8, si wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm aspiring to build a habit tracker with TiddlyWiki with similar 
> functionality to the Android app Loop 
> 
> .
>
> The first thing I wanted to do was list every date for the last week, 
> which I thought would be easy, but immediately hit a wall.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>

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[tw5] How to display yesterday's date? (And n days ago)

[si]

Hi all,

I'm aspiring to build a habit tracker with TiddlyWiki with similar 
functionality to the Android app Loop 
.

The first thing I wanted to do was list every date for the last week, which 
I thought would be easy, but immediately hit a wall.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks for your help.

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[tw5] Re: global Macro for new tiddler from templates

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Try changing the tag attribute like this:

tags="[[$Kennzeichen$]] [[$Sache$]]" 

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:00:15 PM UTC-8, Gerald Weis wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> yes it do what i want.
>
> but i have an problem
>
> some tags have mor as one word.
> than make this makro more as one tag from this.
>
> example tag is "Reparatur und Wartung"
> the Macro make the tags "Reparatur" "und" "Wartung"
>
> what can i do that the tag ist one expression?
>
> thanks
>
> Am Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2020 16:03:52 UTC+1 schrieb Mark S.:
>>
>> There are at least 3 ways to make new tiddlers in TW. Of these, only the 
>> ActionCreateWidget will automatically prevent overwriting titles. ACW 
>> also has the advantage that it doesn't open your tiddler in edit mode.
>>
>> In your original you had text="{{transclusion}}" . You can not do that. 
>> You must use text={{transclusion}} . Otherwise, the actual text will be 
>> "{{transclusion}}" and not the transcluded content.
>>
>> In your example, <$action-sendmessage was not closed on the end with 
>> "/>".  Always do a double-check to make sure that all tags are matched by 
>> their anti-tag 
>> (e.g.    or that a single tag is closed on the end 
>> with "/>" .
>>
>> In your original example, I did not know what $:/tags/Template did or 
>> what it's contents were. So I removed it for my test. 
>>
>> This version works, though I don't know if it does exactly what you 
>> intended:
>>
>> \define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)
>> <$button>Mein Knopf
>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="$Sache$ - Jahr" tags="$Kennzeichen$ 
>> $Sache$" text={{Benzin - Jahr}} />
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> If you press the button twice, it will make a new tiddler based on the 
>> name, but will not over write the first one.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:57:13 AM UTC-8, Gerald Weis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> i need help.
>>>
>>> i want to create a new tiddler from templates.
>>> The cocept ist, the macro shoud be global.
>>>
>>> \define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)
>>>
>>> <$button>
>>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="$Sache$ - Jahr" 
>>> tags=$Kennzeichen$ $Sache$ text="{{Benzin - Jahr||$:/tags/Template}}"
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> This macro shoud do the follow things:
>>> 1. create a new tiddler
>>> 2. load the templatetiddler with Name where is compsite form "$Sache$ - 
>>> Jahr"
>>> 3. transclude the content of templatetiddler in  the new tiddler 
>>> 4. disable the templatetag in the new tiddler
>>> 4. close the templatetiddler
>>>
>>> my Templatetiddler is tagged with $:/tags/Template
>>>
>>> what ist wrong?
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] [TW5] JsonMangler v2.0.9 Release!

[Joshua Fontany]

*What's New?*


   - General bug fix and cleanup of the previous "Over 9000 Csv" release.
   - Exposed the rest of the PapaParse "parsing" options like: delimiter, 
   new_line, quote_char, escape_char
   - Changed importing to sync functions.
   - Changed importing to collect all individual row tiddlers into a Plugin 
   as shadow-tiddlers!
   - Cleaned up UI.
   - Moved Csv Help to the ReadMe.


Try it out! Import all the Data!

https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler/releases/tag/v2.0.9

https://joshuafontany.github.io/TW5-JsonMangler/

https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler

Best,
Joshua Fontany

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[tw5] Re: global Macro for new tiddler from templates

[Gerald Weis]

Hi Mark,

yes it do what i want.

but i have an problem

some tags have mor as one word.
than make this makro more as one tag from this.

example tag is "Reparatur und Wartung"
the Macro make the tags "Reparatur" "und" "Wartung"

what can i do that the tag ist one expression?

thanks

Am Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2020 16:03:52 UTC+1 schrieb Mark S.:
>
> There are at least 3 ways to make new tiddlers in TW. Of these, only the 
> ActionCreateWidget will automatically prevent overwriting titles. ACW 
> also has the advantage that it doesn't open your tiddler in edit mode.
>
> In your original you had text="{{transclusion}}" . You can not do that. 
> You must use text={{transclusion}} . Otherwise, the actual text will be 
> "{{transclusion}}" and not the transcluded content.
>
> In your example, <$action-sendmessage was not closed on the end with 
> "/>".  Always do a double-check to make sure that all tags are matched by 
> their anti-tag 
> (e.g.    or that a single tag is closed on the end with 
> "/>" .
>
> In your original example, I did not know what $:/tags/Template did or what 
> it's contents were. So I removed it for my test. 
>
> This version works, though I don't know if it does exactly what you 
> intended:
>
> \define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)
> <$button>Mein Knopf
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="$Sache$ - Jahr" tags="$Kennzeichen$ 
> $Sache$" text={{Benzin - Jahr}} />
> 
> \end
>
> <>
>
> If you press the button twice, it will make a new tiddler based on the 
> name, but will not over write the first one.
>
> HTH
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:57:13 AM UTC-8, Gerald Weis wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> i need help.
>>
>> i want to create a new tiddler from templates.
>> The cocept ist, the macro shoud be global.
>>
>> \define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)
>>
>> <$button>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="$Sache$ - Jahr" 
>> tags=$Kennzeichen$ $Sache$ text="{{Benzin - Jahr||$:/tags/Template}}"
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> This macro shoud do the follow things:
>> 1. create a new tiddler
>> 2. load the templatetiddler with Name where is compsite form "$Sache$ - 
>> Jahr"
>> 3. transclude the content of templatetiddler in  the new tiddler 
>> 4. disable the templatetag in the new tiddler
>> 4. close the templatetiddler
>>
>> my Templatetiddler is tagged with $:/tags/Template
>>
>> what ist wrong?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: repeating Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'removeChild' of null

[springer]

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-5, springer wrote:
>
> [image: screenshot.jpg]
> Bimlas and all, Here's a screenshot of part of the console view (with lots 
> of repetitions of the same, below this part).
>
> It was quiet for a long time, then seemed to come back after I re-enabled 
> tobibeer's "Show a tiddler preview when hovering internal links" plugin. 
> But not positive it's that, or perhaps it's the unusual product of multiple 
> plugins...
>
> Many thanks for any insight you can offer! 
>
> -Springer
>
> On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 3:54:01 AM UTC-5, bimlas wrote:
>>
>> springer,
>>
>> I don't know if the bug still occurs, but if so, try updating my plugin 
>> as it also caused RSOD (although it did conflict with the CodeMirror plugin 
>> that you don't have installed).
>>
>> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-highlight-searched-text/
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The topic of saving has been discussed endlessly here. Unfortunately, all 
easy solutions depend on the user's platform and software.

The universal solution is to configure the browser. Oh come on, users can 
handle that, can't they?

Nearly universal solution: Put the TW file on tiddlyspace and give the user 
the password. Downside: The file is publicly viewable.

For windows, there are at least two solutions that come close to 
requirements:

On Windows, there is a way to wrap a TW file in it's own executable 
wrapper. See https://ihm4u.github.io/twexe. This comes closest to the 
"dream" solution. But some people warn that this approach may be dangerous. 
Hey, but YOLO, right? Also leaves a command box open, which user must be 
smart enough not to close.

On Windows, you can change the extension of your tw file to .hta and then 
open/save in Internet Explorer. Unsure if it works in either version of MS 
Edge. Maybe someone running Windows 10 could test that for you.

HTH



On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 10:21:03 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of making a TW that summarizes a course I recently took and 
> could potentially act as a clinical guide to practitioners as they practice 
> / work.  
>
> If I view it as a complete entity with no more editing to be done I could 
> just distribute the TW file and be done with it.
>
> If however I intend for the user to modify their file and save changes 
> that adds complexity to the user experience with the user suddenly having 
> to either figure 
> out how to modify their browser to save changes or at least know to go to 
> the downloads folder to use the most recently saved version.
>
>
> Is there currently any way to make a TW that can be given to a complete 
> novice that allows them to make changes and not have to step out of the "TW 
> experience"
> any further than just double-clicking the file to open it up again?  I 
> would imagine maybe a way to bundle a tiddlywikidesktop instance with it as 
> "the program that runs TW",
> but I don't know how easy that would be on Mac or Windows (as I'm on Linux 
> and the install is more complicated than just "open this file with this 
> program")
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki as an Application

[TiddlyTweeter]

Dave wrote:
>
> ... Is there currently any way to make a TW that can be given to a 
> complete novice that allows them to make changes and not have to step out 
> of the "TW experience"
>

Certainly TiddlyDesktop could do that on Windows very well. But it would 
need some changes. At the moment you can't distribute it wrapped with wiki 
reliably.
This is because the internal pathing to Wiki files is absolute pathing, not 
relative. If that one issue could be solved then TiddlyDesktop could be a 
simple install like a normal app and work well.

FYI I wanted to wrap all Dickens' novels into a TD install. One wiki per 
novel with ability for the user to annotate paragraphs. But I'd need to 
reliably wrap the novels so that on install TD can find the files. At 
moment can't work. But an example of something very close to your OP I 
think.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Tiddlywiki as an Application

[Dave]

I'm thinking of making a TW that summarizes a course I recently took and 
could potentially act as a clinical guide to practitioners as they practice 
/ work.  

If I view it as a complete entity with no more editing to be done I could 
just distribute the TW file and be done with it.

If however I intend for the user to modify their file and save changes that 
adds complexity to the user experience with the user suddenly having to 
either figure 
out how to modify their browser to save changes or at least know to go to 
the downloads folder to use the most recently saved version.


Is there currently any way to make a TW that can be given to a complete 
novice that allows them to make changes and not have to step out of the "TW 
experience"
any further than just double-clicking the file to open it up again?  I 
would imagine maybe a way to bundle a tiddlywikidesktop instance with it as 
"the program that runs TW",
but I don't know how easy that would be on Mac or Windows (as I'm on Linux 
and the install is more complicated than just "open this file with this 
program")


Thanks,

- Dave

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[tw5] Re: Can tiddler titles be transcluded in a template?

[Grigor]

Thank you Mark S.! That single curly bracket was all it took. I was so much 
hoping it would be just such a small thing... "HTH", are you kidding :) You 
made my day, and I'm grateful! -g-

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:56:06 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
 

> [tag{!!title}...
>
> Basically, outside of filter runs you use {{transclusion}} and 
> <>, but inside of filter runs you use syntax like sort{!!myfield} 
> and tag .
>
> HTH
>
>>

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

[Grigor]

Thinking of a possible new name, I'd chime in with:

*TriadWare Framework* 

(TWF.X-1.0.1-alpha TWF.X-3 etc.)

This is my best idea (so far)... And look... No hits! Whatsoever:
https://www.google.com/search?q="triadware;

Was thinking also of: TriadicWare tri.way TriWay TrippleWay Tripl.eWare 
(quite similar to Tupperware, which I see that is often being abbreviated 
as TW too :) 

Back to my best idea, the triadic theme would then be developed in the 
catch phrases / hooks:

Meet the TriadWare Framework : Own it like a document, use it like a 
website, (and needs a 3rd to complete the triad! Like: program it to your 
needs (?) etc.)

Meet TriadWare: 
Single file website, database, application 
Portable Programmable Platform
Smart documentation, wiki, (and so on)

Those hooks could be a triad of triads, as above, like in a game of tic tac 
toe, but I might already be loosing your attention so I'll stop here... 

Well, maybe just this last one (joke?): 

*You'll hardly get any treadwear with TriadWare: Rolling fine, in all 
browsers, since 1997!*

-g-


On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 9:01:03 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Yes, this is a great discussion, and very helpful. Please don’t be afraid 
> to chime in, this is an important decision and it would be great to have 
> the broadest possible feedback.
>

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[tw5] Re: global Macro for new tiddler from templates

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There are at least 3 ways to make new tiddlers in TW. Of these, only the 
ActionCreateWidget will automatically prevent overwriting titles. ACW 
also has the advantage that it doesn't open your tiddler in edit mode.

In your original you had text="{{transclusion}}" . You can not do that. You 
must use text={{transclusion}} . Otherwise, the actual text will be 
"{{transclusion}}" and not the transcluded content.

In your example, <$action-sendmessage was not closed on the end with "/>".  
Always do a double-check to make sure that all tags are matched by their 
anti-tag 
(e.g.    or that a single tag is closed on the end with 
"/>" .

In your original example, I did not know what $:/tags/Template did or what 
it's contents were. So I removed it for my test. 

This version works, though I don't know if it does exactly what you 
intended:

\define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)
<$button>Mein Knopf
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="$Sache$ - Jahr" tags="$Kennzeichen$ 
$Sache$" text={{Benzin - Jahr}} />

\end

<>

If you press the button twice, it will make a new tiddler based on the 
name, but will not over write the first one.

HTH

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:57:13 AM UTC-8, Gerald Weis wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> i need help.
>
> i want to create a new tiddler from templates.
> The cocept ist, the macro shoud be global.
>
> \define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)
>
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="$Sache$ - Jahr" 
> tags=$Kennzeichen$ $Sache$ text="{{Benzin - Jahr||$:/tags/Template}}"
> 
> \end
>
> This macro shoud do the follow things:
> 1. create a new tiddler
> 2. load the templatetiddler with Name where is compsite form "$Sache$ - 
> Jahr"
> 3. transclude the content of templatetiddler in  the new tiddler 
> 4. disable the templatetag in the new tiddler
> 4. close the templatetiddler
>
> my Templatetiddler is tagged with $:/tags/Template
>
> what ist wrong?
>
>

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[tw5] global Macro for new tiddler from templates

[Gerald Weis]

Hi folks,

i need help.

i want to create a new tiddler from templates.
The cocept ist, the macro shoud be global.

\define testknopf(Kennzeichen Sache)

<$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="$Sache$ - Jahr" 
tags=$Kennzeichen$ $Sache$ text="{{Benzin - Jahr||$:/tags/Template}}"

\end

This macro shoud do the follow things:
1. create a new tiddler
2. load the templatetiddler with Name where is compsite form "$Sache$ - 
Jahr"
3. transclude the content of templatetiddler in  the new tiddler 
4. disable the templatetag in the new tiddler
4. close the templatetiddler

my Templatetiddler is tagged with $:/tags/Template

what ist wrong?

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

[Mohammad]

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:39:37 PM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>   Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> ... So, lets be precise and briefly ... explain why a change name is a 
>> bad decision? What is the benefits of keeping current name? If we have 
>> enough reasons then we should keep it.
>>
>
> 1 - *Not Now*: Changing name for TW5 now, in mid-version I think might 
> have the unintended consequence of creating confusion. Probably better to 
> do it with a new major shift.
>
> 2 - *Later, Yes*: Changing the name IS a good idea. On that agree with 
> Mark S. "Tiddly" & "Tiddler" are diminutive in a particularly negative way. 
> That diminution can't be offset by positive Comparisons with names of "Big 
> things" using "baby words" (e.g. "Google"). That isn't illuminating as 
> those services are So Large they came to Re-Define meaning in actual usage. 
> TiddlyWiki is not in a position to do that--so the name can't have the 
> start-push of being able to redefine words. For many reasons. So the 
> current name is not good.
>
> 3 - *"Wiki" Is Probably Part Of The Name Problem*: Several issues with 
> "wiki": (a) Messy broader negative social resonance with things like 
> "WikiLeaks"; (b) We are not "WikiPedia"; (c) Nor does implying TW is a 
> "type of wiki" going to be illuminating to most people, so I can't see the 
> value now in "wiki" that once more clearly existed, as much of the net has 
> adopted methods pioneered by various wikis & moved on; (d) TW does a lot of 
> things that big-name wikis have no correlate of. 
> In short: "wiki" may be a "false friend" that just waters down ideas of 
> what we have in TW.
>

This is quite true! 

>
> 4 - *Name Is Only Part Of The Issue*: But I also agree with Eric Shulman 
> that a change that is "just" a change of name won't do much---and as 
> several other posts in this thread have implied. The issue involves several 
> intersecting issues to do with: (a) base utility [saving]; (b) vagueness 
> about what TW is FOR beyond fiddling with it; (c) and, I think, above all, 
> lack of a strong dedicated *Showcase* illustrating developed applications 
> of it. That's the easiest way, I think, for potential users to realise what 
> it can do--by seeing final output wiki. Maybe that last thought is for a 
> separate thread.
>
> Basta
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

[TiddlyTweeter]

  Mohammad wrote:
>
> ... So, lets be precise and briefly ... explain why a change name is a bad 
> decision? What is the benefits of keeping current name? If we have enough 
> reasons then we should keep it.
>

1 - *Not Now*: Changing name for TW5 now, in mid-version I think might have 
the unintended consequence of creating confusion. Probably better to do it 
with a new major shift.

2 - *Later, Yes*: Changing the name IS a good idea. On that agree with Mark 
S. "Tiddly" & "Tiddler" are diminutive in a particularly negative way. 
That diminution can't be offset by positive Comparisons with names of "Big 
things" using "baby words" (e.g. "Google"). That isn't illuminating as 
those services are So Large they came to Re-Define meaning in actual usage. 
TiddlyWiki is not in a position to do that--so the name can't have the 
start-push of being able to redefine words. For many reasons. So the 
current name is not good.

3 - *"Wiki" Is Probably Part Of The Name Problem*: Several issues with 
"wiki": (a) Messy broader negative social resonance with things like 
"WikiLeaks"; (b) We are not "WikiPedia"; (c) Nor does implying TW is a 
"type of wiki" going to be illuminating to most people, so I can't see the 
value now in "wiki" that once more clearly existed, as much of the net has 
adopted methods pioneered by various wikis & moved on; (d) TW does a lot of 
things that big-name wikis have no correlate of. 
In short: "wiki" may be a "false friend" that just waters down ideas of 
what we have in TW.

4 - *Name Is Only Part Of The Issue*: But I also agree with Eric Shulman 
that a change that is "just" a change of name won't do much---and as 
several other posts in this thread have implied. The issue involves several 
intersecting issues to do with: (a) base utility [saving]; (b) vagueness 
about what TW is FOR beyond fiddling with it; (c) and, I think, above all, 
lack of a strong dedicated *Showcase* illustrating developed applications 
of it. That's the easiest way, I think, for potential users to realise what 
it can do--by seeing final output wiki. Maybe that last thought is for a 
separate thread.

Basta
TT

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