[tw5] Re: Keyboard/Mouse Combination to Force Selected Tiddler to Use Zoomin Story View?

[PMario]

Hi,
No. This function isn't available.
-m

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:48:28 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there anyway to force a Tiddler to load in place of the existing one 
> when a link is clicked while also holding down a key on the keyboard?
>
> IE: With stroll if you hold shift while clicking on a link it will open in 
> the second column.
>
> The Zoomin Story view does this functionality but gets applied to all the 
> tiddlers in the story view. 
>
> Thank you!
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ba577e30-a225-46d6-916b-0fac0adbbd3an%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

The instructions seem legit.

Try checking out the instructions on this site as 
well: https://itsfoss.com/unable-to-locate-package-error-ubuntu/

itsfoss.com, imo, is a great website and I've found many of solutions on 
there.

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 12:19:42 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> Thanks for the advice, but it didn't work. I got this message:
>
> ~& sudo apt install libconf2-4
> [sudo] password for user:
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package libconf2-4
>
> This website doesn't look reputable, which is why I'm not just trying out 
> what it recommends.
> https://zoomadmin.com/HowToInstall/UbuntuPackage/libgconf-2-4
>
> But the website suggests that to install libconf2-4 I have to write:
>
> sudo apt-get update -y
> sudo apt-get install -y libgconf-2-4 
>
> Can anyone confirm that this would be the way to go?
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:36:26 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I preface what I'm about to write with: 
>>
>> I'm very new to linux as well and probably just know enough to be 
>> dangerous. However, given the wording of the error, and that you still get 
>> it after following the linked steps, I would personally try the following 
>> if I was experiencing the issue.
>>
>> With everything closed I would run the following command in your terminal:
>>
>> $sudo apt install libgconf2-4
>>
>> If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter to 
>> continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your machine and 
>> then try the ./nw launch again.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. 
>>> Although both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch 
>>> TiddlyDesktop through ./nw
>>>
>>> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new 
>>> wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
>>> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use 
>>> Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through 
>>> TiddlyDesktop.
>>>
>>> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
>>> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>>>
>>> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the 
>>> file with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The only 
>>> way to close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>>>
>>> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and 
>>> TiddlyDesktop does open:
>>> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
>>> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() 
>>> called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>>>
>>> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible 
>>> here, above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
>>> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
 https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ

 I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
 (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite 
 some time.


 Birthe

 On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the 
> installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've 
> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>
> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of 
> the Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
> sudo chmod +x nw
>
> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>
> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up 
> on your Linux PC.
> ./nw 
>
> I get this message in the terminal:
>
>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5: 
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello and welcome!
>>
>> 2 things:
>>
>> 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file 
>> from within TiddlyDesktop. 
>> 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the 
>> downloading and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You 
>> can download the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is 
>> easier. Still use the terminal for the other steps though. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> 

[tw5] Re: xlxs utilities not working in V22 or V23

[History Buff]

While I don't know the specific, there is a problem with those versions. 
The problem has been fixed in the 5.1.24 prerelease. I've used it there and 
confirms it works.

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:49:42 PM UTC-7 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm a big fan of Tiddlywiki, fairly new and not really a developer so it's 
> been a long slog to get past the basics!
>
> I've been using XLXS utilities to import chunks of text with dates and 
> sorting them using the timelines plugin. I need to upgrade a wiki from V16 
> which can't use Timelines. However when upgraded to V22 when xlxs files are 
> imported they show as binary files. 
>
> I've tried with V23 - same issue - can anyone help? 
>
> I use tiddlywiki with tiddly desktop so don't know how to upgrade manually 
> (have always used the drag and drop updater). There is no previous updater 
> versions, so i can;t try updating the V16 to V20. 
>
> kind regards
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/68cd504e-83d0-4c6f-b245-6d3f78c9835bn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[LinuxNoob]

Thanks for the advice, but it didn't work. I got this message:

~& sudo apt install libconf2-4
[sudo] password for user:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package libconf2-4

This website doesn't look reputable, which is why I'm not just trying out 
what it recommends.
https://zoomadmin.com/HowToInstall/UbuntuPackage/libgconf-2-4

But the website suggests that to install libconf2-4 I have to write:

sudo apt-get update -y
sudo apt-get install -y libgconf-2-4 

Can anyone confirm that this would be the way to go?

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:36:26 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> I preface what I'm about to write with: 
>
> I'm very new to linux as well and probably just know enough to be 
> dangerous. However, given the wording of the error, and that you still get 
> it after following the linked steps, I would personally try the following 
> if I was experiencing the issue.
>
> With everything closed I would run the following command in your terminal:
>
> $sudo apt install libgconf2-4
>
> If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter to 
> continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your machine and 
> then try the ./nw launch again.
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>
>> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. Although 
>> both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch TiddlyDesktop 
>> through ./nw
>>
>> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new 
>> wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
>> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use 
>> Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through 
>> TiddlyDesktop.
>>
>> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
>> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>>
>> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the file 
>> with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The only way to 
>> close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>>
>> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and 
>> TiddlyDesktop does open:
>> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
>> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() 
>> called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>>
>> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible 
>> here, above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ
>>>
>>> I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
>>> (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite 
>>> some time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>
 I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the 
 installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've 
 written below, that makes the nw file executable:

 In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of the 
 Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
 sudo chmod +x nw

 When I follow through with the following step, which is:

 Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up 
 on your Linux PC.
 ./nw 

 I get this message in the terminal:

./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5: 
 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

 Thanks in advance.


 On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello and welcome!
>
> 2 things:
>
> 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file 
> from within TiddlyDesktop. 
> 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the 
> downloading and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You 
> can download the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is 
> easier. Still use the terminal for the other steps though. 
>
>
> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>
>> I've just transitioned to Linux so I'm still a noob at figuring out 
>> even the basics. If I understood the installation instructions properly, 
>> I 
>> am to unzip the file after downloading it, and then run /nw
>>
>> That didn't work, so tried to get it to launch by using the terminal. 
>> I navigated to the TiddlyDesktop file, and then wrote ./nw and that 
>> launched the program. Unfortunately the program isn't running 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I think it might be better to ask in a new thread - about the stories 
plugin created by Saq.  Maybe explain a little about the benefit you expect 
from the changed layout.
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:18:28 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello David and thank you for your replies above! I didn't realize I 
> didn't reply to this one before so I'm sorry for the delay! The information 
> you and the others of this group have provided has been amazing and very 
> much appreciated!
>
> One follow-up question about Stroll:
>
> How hard would it be to change the two vertical column layout to a two 
> horizontal row layout instead?
>
> So  as an example instead of 
>
> col1 col2 as it is now it would be
>
> row1
> row2 
>
> Would it be something you would be willing to do? Even if it comes down to 
> reimbursing you for your time in modifying the code in Stroll I would be 
> very much open to it.
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> There is no right answer, there is only the way that feels right to you 
>> and gives you a fast, non-tedious, enjoyable workflow based on how your 
>> mind works, which may be different from mine. The more you experiment, the 
>> more options you will find.
>>
>> The "usual" way in TiddlyWiki is tagging a tiddler with its parent topics 
>> or categories. So City A might be tagged "Cities" and "Country A". Then you 
>> write your definition and description and if you see potential links, you 
>> turn them into actual links, or use a tool like Freelinks to have them be 
>> links without them being links. Remember that Freelinks are not 
>> bi-directional. So if you mention City A in tiddler of Country A, the 
>> reference to City A will show as a link. But in the City A tiddler, nothing 
>> will change, so there will be no reference to Country A.
>>
>> I don't tend to write link-rich Wikipedia types of tiddlers, so I can't 
>> help you too much there. My current system for notetaking from reading is: 
>> Create a tiddler for the book or source. Paste the title into a "currently 
>> reading" window. Read. Take a note in the relevant topic. Use an editor 
>> toolbar button to paste the currently reading tiddler as the source of the 
>> note. Add page number. Read and repeat. Fantastic workflow for that. But 
>> you may be doing something else that requires something totally different.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much 
>>> feedback! It has been very helpful.
>>>
>>> If I may ask two follow-up questions:
>>>
>>> 1)  I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness 
>>> regarding the content, at least with this world building concept. At the 
>>> same time I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on 
>>> other topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking 
>>> the hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as 
>>> you pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building 
>>> *manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where 
>>> I utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or 
>>> is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of 
>>> content?
>>>
>>> 2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use 
>>> would be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the 
>>> City tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you 
>>> created it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it 
>>> is just a preference of how you want to do the link back?
>>>
>>> Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still 
>>> looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't 
>>> understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of 
>>> "Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to 
>>> write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have 
>>> it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again 
>>> combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the 
>>> book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific 
>>> tiddler with Freelinks turned on.
>>>
>>> Not to sound redundant but thank you again!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 Hi iamdar...

 TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
 tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
 tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
 backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to 
 get 
 to it.

 Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the 
 references are at the bottom of 

[tw5] Re: Conversation About Wiki Data Presentation and Recollection

[Soren Bjornstad]

In my Zettelkasten  I use search, 
in combination with concise and memorable titles, if I already know exactly 
what I'm looking for, and occasionally to find references to a particular 
phrase or idea that I'm considering turning into a tiddler of its own. 
Otherwise, I rely mostly on *links* – search for or find in a tag list 
something that is vaguely related to the kind of thing I'm looking for and 
explore the links from there. This definitely works better with a good list 
of outbound links and backlinks like I have at the bottom of every tiddler, 
but it could be made to work even in stock TiddlyWiki.

As for others visiting the site, there are a few views (e.g., topical tags, 
bibliographies on specific topics, list of recently read books) that might 
give people a head start, but most people who have commented on it to me 
also like the links mechanism for exploring. That likely works particularly 
well with this use case because people tend not to be trying to find 
something in particular.


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:40:08 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> First I apologize if this is a taboo topic. I don't meant for it to be 
> flame war between respective camps if it is. I just tend to view/understand 
> things differently when it comes to paradigms or techniques. 
>
> I have seen many posts about workflows and data collection but this post 
> is about data presentation and recollection. 
>
> I don't know if my constant internal debate is normal for others as well, 
> or if I'm trying to bridge too many different concepts that are 
> fundamentally different, or something else but it personally drives me 
> crazy. 
>
> From what I can tell there are at least three main methods of presenting 
> wiki data:
>
> 1. Search feature that you enter keyword(s) into and review the results. 
> 2. Some kind of table of contents or index that shows all of the content, 
> most likely grouped by some type of categorization. 
> 3. Some kind of splash page that is similar in concept to #2 but acts more 
> as a guide with manual links embedded within a naturally written page to 
> almost create an interface. 
>
> In truth #3 might be just me creating some sort of perversion of #2 from 
> my experience with web design and game/anime wikia sites. 
>
> Also, my concerns about data "recollection" might be an example of me 
> trying to bridge wiki-ing and note taking. Perhaps the concept of 
> recollection isn't as important in a wiki because you are using it to 
> collect specific, related, and organized topics and as such it will display 
> accordingly? I guess like the details of a city or character under the 
> appropriate section (wiki) vs a random though entered on a random day about 
> a commercial you just saw (notes). I know you can use a wiki for note 
> taking and a note taking as a way to wiki-ing but are the underlying 
> processes easily interchangeable? Or do they cause a conflict?
>
> *tl;dr*: 
>
> How do you present your wiki data to yourself/others? Do you use the 
> search feature most of the time? Or do you use an index/table of contents 
> approach? Or something else entirely or in between the two?
>
> Thanks!
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3cd16a63-f4ab-4ad6-91bf-48174f4c31a2n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Keyboard/Mouse Combination to Force Selected Tiddler to Use Zoomin Story View?

[Darth Mole]

Is there anyway to force a Tiddler to load in place of the existing one 
when a link is clicked while also holding down a key on the keyboard?

IE: With stroll if you hold shift while clicking on a link it will open in 
the second column.

The Zoomin Story view does this functionality but gets applied to all the 
tiddlers in the story view. 

Thank you!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c9d0ca66-d99b-4d54-b818-1d6cf0ce45f3n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Conversation About Wiki Data Presentation and Recollection

[Charlie Veniot]

G'day,

Always an index, for myself and especially for others when I drop my 
TiddlyWiki instances, as-is, on hosted sites.  I don't think any of these 
would be much use with search as the mechanism to find content:

   - Le P'tit Aurèle: un lexique du français acadien / a lexicon of Acadian 
   French 
  - *(My very first TiddlyWiki project, I'm in the midst of overhauling 
  this one.)*
   - 
   - Charlie's Favourite Stuff and Projects 
   
  - This started off as a "Products Review" TiddlyWiki, and turned into 
  an experiment to make one TiddlyWiki look like four different 
TiddlyWiki's 
  when there is so much in common between the four purposes that it seem 
  silly to maintain four different TiddlyWiki instances
 - Product Reviews
 - Urban Off-Gridding for Laypersons
 - Hydro Bill Cutting for Laypersons
 - Chromebook:  Beyond Web Browsing
  - 
   - My online curriculum vitae 
   - My "Tifoist" project : *T*ifoist *I*s 
   a *F*act-*O*riented *I*nformation-*S*emanticization *T*ool
  - *Imagine using TiddlyWiki for fact-based information modelling and 
  database engineering !!!*
   - TiddlyWiki Programming Fundamentals 
   
   -  (That sounds "authoritative", but it definitely isn't; it is really 
  all about throwing new things I learn, discoveries/experiments, newbie 
  stuff, in there.  Maybe it might be somewhat semi-authoritative someday, 
  maybe not ... just a fun way to write stuff)
   
You'll notice that some of these are presented in my new favourite way:  
hide most TiddlyWiki elements when the sidebar is collapsed.

Cool topic for discussion.

Cheers !
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:40:08 PM UTC-3 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> First I apologize if this is a taboo topic. I don't meant for it to be 
> flame war between respective camps if it is. I just tend to view/understand 
> things differently when it comes to paradigms or techniques. 
>
> I have seen many posts about workflows and data collection but this post 
> is about data presentation and recollection. 
>
> I don't know if my constant internal debate is normal for others as well, 
> or if I'm trying to bridge too many different concepts that are 
> fundamentally different, or something else but it personally drives me 
> crazy. 
>
> From what I can tell there are at least three main methods of presenting 
> wiki data:
>
> 1. Search feature that you enter keyword(s) into and review the results. 
> 2. Some kind of table of contents or index that shows all of the content, 
> most likely grouped by some type of categorization. 
> 3. Some kind of splash page that is similar in concept to #2 but acts more 
> as a guide with manual links embedded within a naturally written page to 
> almost create an interface. 
>
> In truth #3 might be just me creating some sort of perversion of #2 from 
> my experience with web design and game/anime wikia sites. 
>
> Also, my concerns about data "recollection" might be an example of me 
> trying to bridge wiki-ing and note taking. Perhaps the concept of 
> recollection isn't as important in a wiki because you are using it to 
> collect specific, related, and organized topics and as such it will display 
> accordingly? I guess like the details of a city or character under the 
> appropriate section (wiki) vs a random though entered on a random day about 
> a commercial you just saw (notes). I know you can use a wiki for note 
> taking and a note taking as a way to wiki-ing but are the underlying 
> processes easily interchangeable? Or do they cause a conflict?
>
> *tl;dr*: 
>
> How do you present your wiki data to yourself/others? Do you use the 
> search feature most of the time? Or do you use an index/table of contents 
> approach? Or something else entirely or in between the two?
>
> Thanks!
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3f036dc2-fe0e-4720-854f-f8f9ca7d5b41n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

[Darth Mole]

Hello David and thank you for your replies above! I didn't realize I didn't 
reply to this one before so I'm sorry for the delay! The information you 
and the others of this group have provided has been amazing and very much 
appreciated!

One follow-up question about Stroll:

How hard would it be to change the two vertical column layout to a two 
horizontal row layout instead?

So  as an example instead of 

col1 col2 as it is now it would be

row1
row2 

Would it be something you would be willing to do? Even if it comes down to 
reimbursing you for your time in modifying the code in Stroll I would be 
very much open to it.

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

> There is no right answer, there is only the way that feels right to you 
> and gives you a fast, non-tedious, enjoyable workflow based on how your 
> mind works, which may be different from mine. The more you experiment, the 
> more options you will find.
>
> The "usual" way in TiddlyWiki is tagging a tiddler with its parent topics 
> or categories. So City A might be tagged "Cities" and "Country A". Then you 
> write your definition and description and if you see potential links, you 
> turn them into actual links, or use a tool like Freelinks to have them be 
> links without them being links. Remember that Freelinks are not 
> bi-directional. So if you mention City A in tiddler of Country A, the 
> reference to City A will show as a link. But in the City A tiddler, nothing 
> will change, so there will be no reference to Country A.
>
> I don't tend to write link-rich Wikipedia types of tiddlers, so I can't 
> help you too much there. My current system for notetaking from reading is: 
> Create a tiddler for the book or source. Paste the title into a "currently 
> reading" window. Read. Take a note in the relevant topic. Use an editor 
> toolbar button to paste the currently reading tiddler as the source of the 
> note. Add page number. Read and repeat. Fantastic workflow for that. But 
> you may be doing something else that requires something totally different.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much 
>> feedback! It has been very helpful.
>>
>> If I may ask two follow-up questions:
>>
>> 1)  I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness 
>> regarding the content, at least with this world building concept. At the 
>> same time I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on 
>> other topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking 
>> the hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as 
>> you pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building 
>> *manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where I 
>> utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or 
>> is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of 
>> content?
>>
>> 2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use would 
>> be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the City 
>> tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you created 
>> it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it is just a 
>> preference of how you want to do the link back?
>>
>> Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still 
>> looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't 
>> understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of 
>> "Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to 
>> write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have 
>> it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again 
>> combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the 
>> book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific 
>> tiddler with Freelinks turned on.
>>
>> Not to sound redundant but thank you again!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi iamdar...
>>>
>>> TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
>>> tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
>>> tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
>>> backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to get 
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the 
>>> references are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an 
>>> experiment to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I 
>>> also made b-linking visible.
>>>
>>> I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it 
>>> also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. 
>>>
>>> In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need 

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Hello and thank you very much! I'll take a look and provide any feedback I 
can.

It seems my biggest issue is not having examples that allow me to confirm 
what I'm thinking with what I read. Or at least not having them where I 
think they should be based on where I'm looking inside TiddlyWiki.

IE:

When trying to find the define solution for the toc code above I searched 
the following Tiddlers for a matching example.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#ButtonWidget
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Variables
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Variables%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Definitions%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Calls%20in%20WikiText
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Calls%20in%20WikiText%20(Examples)
https://tiddlywiki.com/#dumpvariables%20Macro
https://tiddlywiki.com/#dumpvariables%20Macro%20(Examples)
https://tiddlywiki.com/#variables%20Operator
https://tiddlywiki.com/#variables%20Operator%20(Examples)

Now, after receiving the help from earlier, when I went back and looked at 
the tiddlers in question I noticed this:

\define dumpvariables()

<$list filter="[variables[]]" variable="varname">

<$text text=<>/>:
<$codeblock code={{{ [getvariable[]] }}}/>



\end

and also 

Several of the examples 
on https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macro%20Definitions%20in%20WikiText that also 
nearly match the code provided above in the replies. 

However, for some reason (probably on my side of things) the above example 
and

\define sayhi(name:"Bugs Bunny" address:"Rabbit Hole Hill")
 Hi, I'm $name$ and I live in $address$. 
\end

Didn't seem to be the same to me. In fact, the only reason I was able to 
finally figure out the following was because I knew it should work like the 
code given so it was just a matter of process of elimination. Until a few 
minutes ago, and only because I knew the example worked, as well as the 
code given above for me to consider, was I finally able to see where they 
got "Bugs" from i the output.

\define say-hi-using-variables() 
Hi, I'm $(name)$ and I live in $(address)$. 
\end 

 \define name() Bugs

<$set name="address" value="Rabbit Hole Hill"> 
<>
 

Hi, I'm Bugs and I live in Rabbit Hole Hill.

Long story short, I may just represent an outlier scenario and if that is 
the case I apologize in advance for any easy questions. Of course, I will 
still read over everything and will be sure to ask questions!
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:02:00 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> iamdar,
>
> Here is a link to some documentation that may help you more generally at 
> this phase of your learing, 
> https://anthonymuscio.github.io/#Standard%20Nomenclature
>
> Its an updated version of something published by Tobias in the past. In 
> particular look at the foot notes about values in parameters widget and 
> HTML, it shows why any "concatenation" to make compound values needs to be 
> done, as ewrioc says the best way without making custom macros and 
> wikifying them is to use the filtered transclusions.  With these you use a 
> filter inside triple curly braces to generate the value (no need for an 
> intermediate variable) and filters permit variables, transclusions and 
> field content to be concatinated.
>
> Also, As someone in the learning phase please do feedback if you need 
> something clarified or added to my document as you have the insight to what 
> is needed during the learning process, unfortunately I now know too much. 
> You can help other that pass this way in the future.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 04:37:15 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much Eric! Really thank you so much! I'm a little happy to 
>> see I was kind of heading in the right direction at one point earlier, 
>> except I put the \end of the tocscript define below the  because 
>> I was afraid it wouldn't include itself in the button code and it broke it 
>> lol. Also thank you very much for providing the explanations as well! 
>>
>> The !!storyname was actually left over from the step before this one. I 
>> hadn't considered having a dynamic toc at first. Though now I'll use it in 
>> the tocscript to help identify the page a bit better. Thank you for looking 
>> that closely at the script!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:05:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I can't figure out how to:

>>> 1) Make the toc div text a variable, named tocscript, to call it in the 
 script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.

>>>
>>> Move the toc div text into a macro named "tocscript".  Macros are 
>>> essentially variables that can accept parameters.
>>>
>>> 2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it 
 is added to the new tiddler being created.

>>>
>>> Within a macro, there are two forms of syntax that are automatically 
>>> replaced when the macro 

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Soren Bjornstad]

iamdar, I had not seen that yet and it's got some cool workflows in it, so 
thanks for pointing it out, but it's not exactly what I was asking about…I 
am looking more for thoughts on the structure of tiddlers, metadata, and 
navigation options that I'll have when I'm *done* writing and relating 
notes, rather than an effective way to go about doing the writing.

Mat,

> You mention that Lolita gave you a lot of ideas, so how are those ideas 
different from what you get out of non-fiction?

The ideas may be different in that there are more layers of metaphor 
involved? Like, a lot of the ideas are not explicitly stated (and some of 
my tiddlers might explicitly state transformative readings, while others 
might not).

Mostly, though, my sense is that a different kind of organization may be 
required to make optimal sense of them. In non-fiction I generally do not 
care where the ideas came from once I've read the book, unless perhaps I am 
later trying to cite them in something I write, so a quick reference to the 
source is sufficient, and all the interlinking and classification happens 
between idea tiddlers. With fiction the context and the relationships with 
other things that happen in the source is much more important to 
understanding...a whole novel can't really be deconstructed into pieces in 
the same way that a textbook or even a thesis-driven book can. So I feel 
like some kind of cross-referencing and mechanism for tying things back to 
the text would be valuable. I do not know how exactly that would work or 
what it would do, which is why I'm curious if anyone else has developed 
something. Not afraid of trying some things myself either. :-)

> Do you have a goal with your reading? Maybe to write your own book, or to 
extract human wisdom, or to just remember as much of a good book as 
possible, or to write literary critique, or... etc,etc...

Yes? I think that's part of the problem, haha. But it's also why I use 
TiddlyWiki instead of something else, because it is capable of supporting 
these kind of mixed uses in a way that few other tools are. My immediate 
goal in writing notes in TiddlyWiki is to increase my understanding of what 
I just read, but I hope that this understanding will stick around and could 
be taken in any of those directions in the future if it later makes sense.


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 5:10:20 PM UTC-5 Mat wrote:

> @Soren - what is it you want out of it? You mention that Lolita gave you a 
> lot of ideas, so how are those ideas different from what you get out of 
> non-fiction? Do you have a goal with your reading? Maybe to write your own 
> book, or to extract human wisdom, or to just remember as much of a good 
> book as possible, or to write literary critique, or... etc,etc...
>
> <:-)
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/97be42a6-73c0-4271-8cdd-4b8b8a28719bn%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Conversation About Wiki Data Presentation and Recollection

[Darth Mole]

First I apologize if this is a taboo topic. I don't meant for it to be 
flame war between respective camps if it is. I just tend to view/understand 
things differently when it comes to paradigms or techniques. 

I have seen many posts about workflows and data collection but this post is 
about data presentation and recollection. 

I don't know if my constant internal debate is normal for others as well, 
or if I'm trying to bridge too many different concepts that are 
fundamentally different, or something else but it personally drives me 
crazy. 

>From what I can tell there are at least three main methods of presenting 
wiki data:

1. Search feature that you enter keyword(s) into and review the results. 
2. Some kind of table of contents or index that shows all of the content, 
most likely grouped by some type of categorization. 
3. Some kind of splash page that is similar in concept to #2 but acts more 
as a guide with manual links embedded within a naturally written page to 
almost create an interface. 

In truth #3 might be just me creating some sort of perversion of #2 from my 
experience with web design and game/anime wikia sites. 

Also, my concerns about data "recollection" might be an example of me 
trying to bridge wiki-ing and note taking. Perhaps the concept of 
recollection isn't as important in a wiki because you are using it to 
collect specific, related, and organized topics and as such it will display 
accordingly? I guess like the details of a city or character under the 
appropriate section (wiki) vs a random though entered on a random day about 
a commercial you just saw (notes). I know you can use a wiki for note 
taking and a note taking as a way to wiki-ing but are the underlying 
processes easily interchangeable? Or do they cause a conflict?

*tl;dr*: 

How do you present your wiki data to yourself/others? Do you use the search 
feature most of the time? Or do you use an index/table of contents 
approach? Or something else entirely or in between the two?

Thanks!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/62adcbcf-0d5d-428e-8e25-26e14bf6c1d2n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Darth Mole]

I preface what I'm about to write with: 

I'm very new to linux as well and probably just know enough to be 
dangerous. However, given the wording of the error, and that you still get 
it after following the linked steps, I would personally try the following 
if I was experiencing the issue.

With everything closed I would run the following command in your terminal:

$sudo apt install libgconf2-4

If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter to 
continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your machine and 
then try the ./nw launch again.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. Although 
> both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch TiddlyDesktop 
> through ./nw
>
> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new 
> wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use 
> Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through 
> TiddlyDesktop.
>
> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>
> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the file 
> with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The only way to 
> close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>
> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and 
> TiddlyDesktop does open:
> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() 
> called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>
> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible here, 
> above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ
>>
>> I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
>> (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite 
>> some time.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the 
>>> installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've 
>>> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>>>
>>> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of the 
>>> Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
>>> sudo chmod +x nw
>>>
>>> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>>>
>>> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up on 
>>> your Linux PC.
>>> ./nw 
>>>
>>> I get this message in the terminal:
>>>
>>>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5: 
>>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello and welcome!

 2 things:

 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file 
 from within TiddlyDesktop. 
 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the 
 downloading and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You 
 can download the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is 
 easier. Still use the terminal for the other steps though. 

 https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/

 On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've just transitioned to Linux so I'm still a noob at figuring out 
> even the basics. If I understood the installation instructions properly, 
> I 
> am to unzip the file after downloading it, and then run /nw
>
> That didn't work, so tried to get it to launch by using the terminal. 
> I navigated to the TiddlyDesktop file, and then wrote ./nw and that 
> launched the program. Unfortunately the program isn't running as 
> intended. 
> When I ran the command in the terminal this error message appeared on the 
> terminal:
> https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf
>
> Also the program itself isn't working properly. As soon as I click on 
> create new wiki I get this page, which I'm unable to close by clicking on 
> the exit button on the top right corner
> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X
>
> I have to use the system monitor to manually shut down the nw file in 
> order to exit this file.
>
> If anyone can help me with this I'd be very grateful.
>
 -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> 

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[TW Tones]

iamdar,

Here is a link to some documentation that may help you more generally at 
this phase of your 
learing, https://anthonymuscio.github.io/#Standard%20Nomenclature

Its an updated version of something published by Tobias in the past. In 
particular look at the foot notes about values in parameters widget and 
HTML, it shows why any "concatenation" to make compound values needs to be 
done, as ewrioc says the best way without making custom macros and 
wikifying them is to use the filtered transclusions.  With these you use a 
filter inside triple curly braces to generate the value (no need for an 
intermediate variable) and filters permit variables, transclusions and 
field content to be concatinated.

Also, As someone in the learning phase please do feedback if you need 
something clarified or added to my document as you have the insight to what 
is needed during the learning process, unfortunately I now know too much. 
You can help other that pass this way in the future.

Regards
Tones




On Thursday, 10 June 2021 at 04:37:15 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you so much Eric! Really thank you so much! I'm a little happy to 
> see I was kind of heading in the right direction at one point earlier, 
> except I put the \end of the tocscript define below the  because 
> I was afraid it wouldn't include itself in the button code and it broke it 
> lol. Also thank you very much for providing the explanations as well! 
>
> The !!storyname was actually left over from the step before this one. I 
> hadn't considered having a dynamic toc at first. Though now I'll use it in 
> the tocscript to help identify the page a bit better. Thank you for looking 
> that closely at the script!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:05:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I can't figure out how to:
>>>
>> 1) Make the toc div text a variable, named tocscript, to call it in the 
>>> script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.
>>>
>>
>> Move the toc div text into a macro named "tocscript".  Macros are 
>> essentially variables that can accept parameters.
>>
>> 2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it is 
>>> added to the new tiddler being created.
>>>
>>
>> Within a macro, there are two forms of syntax that are automatically 
>> replaced when the macro is processed:
>> * instances of $paramname$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
>> passed to the macro as parameters
>> * instances of $(varname)$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
>> defined in variables before the macro is invoked
>>
>> Thus, for your purposes:
>> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>>
>> \define tocscript()
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> |  Story Name:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
>> |   Story Abbreviation:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> 
>> field="storyabbrev"/>  |
>>
>> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
>> <$button> Create Story
>><$vars storyabbrev={{!!storyabbrev}}>
>><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text=<> 
>> tags="Stories" />
>><$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!storyabbrev}addsuffix[ Chapter 
>> 001]] }}} tags={{!!storyabbrev}} />
>><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
>>
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Notes:
>> * The $vars widget fetches the !!storyabbrev input value to turn it into 
>> a variable named "storyabbrev", so that it can then be automatically 
>> replaced in the tocscript macro
>> * I don't see anywhere that you actually use the "!!storyname" input value
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9e962e71-ddc1-4009-94df-854713fcb092n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Mat]

@Soren - what is it you want out of it? You mention that Lolita gave you a 
lot of ideas, so how are those ideas different from what you get out of 
non-fiction? Do you have a goal with your reading? Maybe to write your own 
book, or to extract human wisdom, or to just remember as much of a good 
book as possible, or to write literary critique, or... etc,etc...

<:-)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ae486ad1-c12b-4e24-912d-a18a00df341dn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

[Tariq A]

I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. Although
both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch TiddlyDesktop
through ./nw

My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a new wiki,
but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can use
Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW through
TiddlyDesktop.

If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X

And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the file
with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The only way to
close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw

I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw and
TiddlyDesktop does open:
~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
[6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox()
called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.

The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible here,
above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)

Thanks in advance


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
strikkeglad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ
>
> I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon
> (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite
> some time.
>
>
> Birthe
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:
>
>> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the
>> installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've
>> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>>
>> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of the
>> Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
>> sudo chmod +x nw
>>
>> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>>
>> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up on
>> your Linux PC.
>> ./nw
>>
>> I get this message in the terminal:
>>
>>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5:
>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello and welcome!
>>>
>>> 2 things:
>>>
>>> 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file from
>>> within TiddlyDesktop.
>>> 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the
>>> downloading and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You
>>> can download the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is
>>> easier. Still use the terminal for the other steps though.
>>>
>>> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>
 I've just transitioned to Linux so I'm still a noob at figuring out
 even the basics. If I understood the installation instructions properly, I
 am to unzip the file after downloading it, and then run /nw

 That didn't work, so tried to get it to launch by using the terminal. I
 navigated to the TiddlyDesktop file, and then wrote ./nw and that launched
 the program. Unfortunately the program isn't running as intended. When I
 ran the command in the terminal this error message appeared on the 
 terminal:
 https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf

 Also the program itself isn't working properly. As soon as I click on
 create new wiki I get this page, which I'm unable to close by clicking on
 the exit button on the top right corner
 https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X

 I have to use the system monitor to manually shut down the nw file in
 order to exit this file.

 If anyone can help me with this I'd be very grateful.

>>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/T6I1LiP7dr8/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1fbf802f-980c-48ca-94d7-e1fef20ea5fen%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 

[tw5] Date Export to static site

[David Ralph Lewis]

Hello, I'm new to this group. 

I'm using tiddly wiki as a personal wiki and exporting most notes to a 
static site. 

I've adapted the subtitle field to show the modified date on the static 
site. The problem is the static site shows the modified date as the date I 
run the export for all pages. 

The snippet I'm using is this:


<$link to={{!!modifier}} />
 This page modified on <$view field="modified" format="date" 
template={{$:/language/Tiddler/DateFormat}}/>


In the static tiddler template it is down as:

`<$view tiddler="$:/davidralphlewis/date-modified" format="htmlwikified"/>`

The site with the date I exported it on the right of each page is here: 
https://davidralphlewis.github.io/binaryephemera/

Any idea how I can make the site show the actual modified date, not the 
date I ran the import?

Thanks so much!

David

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/23b84808-7f58-43d1-89ca-88e619d9d24cn%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Darth Mole]

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it is related to 
books/reading: 

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/CBYmeN9LsMQ

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I think I've mostly found an approach for tiddlifying notes and ideas I 
> get out of nonfiction (basic approach: add short summary to a tiddler on 
> the book or article, then use backlinks and occasionally forward links to 
> connect ideas related to it), but I'm struggling with figuring out what 
> works for literature, maybe because I just haven't done as much of it yet.
>
> See this recent writeup 
> , for 
> instance, which is an awkward mix of ideas dumped into the book's tiddler 
> and ideas placed in separate tiddlers. I could just write a linear 
> discussion of the story, or a bunch of unrelated “paper”-like discussions, 
> but those approaches feel like I'm not taking advantage of what TiddlyWiki 
> has to offer.
>
> I've just finished *Lolita* and have approximately 23,000 ideas rolling 
> around in my head that I want to put somewhere, so am feeling like this is 
> as good a time as any to start experimenting. Before I do, has anyone else 
> used TiddlyWiki this way who might have some pointers for me so I don't 
> start off in the entirely wrong direction?
>
> Thanks!
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2104fcb4-d53d-4c5f-bbc0-c068f4da9219n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Thank you so much Eric! Really thank you so much! I'm a little happy to see 
I was kind of heading in the right direction at one point earlier, except I 
put the \end of the tocscript define below the  because I was 
afraid it wouldn't include itself in the button code and it broke it lol. 
Also thank you very much for providing the explanations as well! 

The !!storyname was actually left over from the step before this one. I 
hadn't considered having a dynamic toc at first. Though now I'll use it in 
the tocscript to help identify the page a bit better. Thank you for looking 
that closely at the script!



On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:05:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can't figure out how to:
>>
> 1) Make the toc div text a variable, named tocscript, to call it in the 
>> script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.
>>
>
> Move the toc div text into a macro named "tocscript".  Macros are 
> essentially variables that can accept parameters.
>
> 2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it is 
>> added to the new tiddler being created.
>>
>
> Within a macro, there are two forms of syntax that are automatically 
> replaced when the macro is processed:
> * instances of $paramname$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
> passed to the macro as parameters
> * instances of $(varname)$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
> defined in variables before the macro is invoked
>
> Thus, for your purposes:
> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>
> \define tocscript()
> 
> <>
> 
> \end
>
> |  Story Name:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
> |   Story Abbreviation:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> 
> field="storyabbrev"/>  |
>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$button> Create Story
><$vars storyabbrev={{!!storyabbrev}}>
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text=<> 
> tags="Stories" />
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!storyabbrev}addsuffix[ Chapter 001]] 
> }}} tags={{!!storyabbrev}} />
><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
>
> 
> 
>  
> Notes:
> * The $vars widget fetches the !!storyabbrev input value to turn it into a 
> variable named "storyabbrev", so that it can then be automatically replaced 
> in the tocscript macro
> * I don't see anywhere that you actually use the "!!storyname" input value
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a7dccc35-3aa2-49a3-b328-642d5ec92e5bn%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Eric Shulman]

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can't figure out how to:
> 1) Make the toc div text a variable, named tocscript, to call it in the 
> script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.
>

Move the toc div text into a macro named "tocscript".  Macros are 
essentially variables that can accept parameters.

2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it is 
> added to the new tiddler being created.
>

Within a macro, there are two forms of syntax that are automatically 
replaced when the macro is processed:
* instances of $paramname$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
passed to the macro as parameters
* instances of $(varname)$ are replaced by corresponding values that are 
defined in variables before the macro is invoked

Thus, for your purposes:
\define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$

\define tocscript()

<>

\end

|  Story Name:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
|   Story Abbreviation:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyabbrev"/>  
|

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button> Create Story
   <$vars storyabbrev={{!!storyabbrev}}>
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text=<> 
tags="Stories" />
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!storyabbrev}addsuffix[ Chapter 001]] 
}}} tags={{!!storyabbrev}} />
   <$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
   


 
Notes:
* The $vars widget fetches the !!storyabbrev input value to turn it into a 
variable named "storyabbrev", so that it can then be automatically replaced 
in the tocscript macro
* I don't see anywhere that you actually use the "!!storyname" input value

enjoy,
-e

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5a0abe47-7b1f-47cc-ac18-83fb3b400a66n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much! It worked like a charm! 

I'm also really sorry to ask yet another question but for some reason the 
solution isn't clicking just yet. I've been searching all morning trying to 
find the right combination/solution and while I have made a little progress 
I think I'm mixing too many functions together. The below code is slightly 
modified from the original one above due to having a different but related 
purpose.

 \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$

|  Story Name:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyname"/>|
|   Story Abbreviation:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="storyabbrev"/>  
|

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button> Create Story
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!storyabbrev}} text={{!!tocscript}} 
tags=Stories 
/>
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!storyabbrev}addsuffix[ Chapter 001]] 
}}} tags={{!!storyabbrev}} />
   <$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />





<>



I can't figure out how to:

1) Make the toc div text a variable, named toscript, to call it in the 
script like the fields, so I can add it to the new tiddler being created.
2) Update the tag name in the toc-selective-expandable macro before it is 
added to the new tiddler being created.

Every time I try to use /define or $set I either break the existing code or 
<> {{!!tocscript}} $tocscript$ (can't figure out which one, if 
any, to use) doesn't "activate"

I was also thinking of trying to use an existing tiddler to act as the 
template for the toc div text but I ran into issues with that as well.

Thanks again and once again my apologies if these are simple questions.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:37:26 AM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:49:07 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If I wanted to add/append some static text to the end of the target field 
>> value, how would I do so?
>>
>
> Using filtered transclusion:
> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!target}addsuffix[ Chapter 01]] }}} etc.
>
> if you want, you could add the suffix to the input table:
> | Target suffix:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="suffix"/>   |
>
> and then you would use:
> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!target}addsuffix{!!suffix}] }}} etc.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/61f07ce2-3d73-47c2-bae2-fe68d940b6c6n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Soren Bjornstad]

I think I've mostly found an approach for tiddlifying notes and ideas I get 
out of nonfiction (basic approach: add short summary to a tiddler on the 
book or article, then use backlinks and occasionally forward links to 
connect ideas related to it), but I'm struggling with figuring out what 
works for literature, maybe because I just haven't done as much of it yet.

See this recent writeup 
, for 
instance, which is an awkward mix of ideas dumped into the book's tiddler 
and ideas placed in separate tiddlers. I could just write a linear 
discussion of the story, or a bunch of unrelated “paper”-like discussions, 
but those approaches feel like I'm not taking advantage of what TiddlyWiki 
has to offer.

I've just finished *Lolita* and have approximately 23,000 ideas rolling 
around in my head that I want to put somewhere, so am feeling like this is 
as good a time as any to start experimenting. Before I do, has anyone else 
used TiddlyWiki this way who might have some pointers for me so I don't 
start off in the entirely wrong direction?

Thanks!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2d84d0ea-e17f-47f6-946e-232414e4b5b5n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [tw5] A tour through my Zettelkasten

[PMario]

It should have looked like this: 

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:35:39 AM UTC+2 PMario wrote:

If you --init a node-js server with the command *tiddlywiki ./test --init 
> server*, the 2 plugins are added. The tiddlywiki/highlight plugin is also 
> added, but not needed by the system. So you can safely remove it, if you 
> don't need it. 
>
-m

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/b1ea1a98-05a3-4e07-86e8-803c8ccae841n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [tw5] A tour through my Zettelkasten

[PMario]

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:16:13 AM UTC+2 Tully Hansen wrote:

> Hi all, and thanks Soren for so generously sharing your script and 
> workflow here! I've got it mostly up and running on my Mac (macOS 10.14.6, 
> Homebrew something-or-other), but not without running into a few issues - 
> thought I'd note theme here for posterity (and anyone else who tries to get 
> this up and running):
>
>
>1. After decompiling the flat file to Node version (tiddlywiki --load 
>path/to/single/file.html --savewikifolder path/to/output/folder), I 
>was getting an error message when starting the TiddlyWiki server locally 
>with tiddlywiki --listen that read Warning: Plugins required for 
>client-server operation ("tiddlywiki/filesystem" and 
>"tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb") are missing from tiddlywiki.info file. Adding 
>these lines to the plugins listed in *tiddlywiki.info 
> *seemed to do the trick, though I've no idea 
>what that did/does.
>
> If you convert a single-file wiki into a nodejs-wiki, the 2 plugins are 
missing, since the former doesn't need them. ..

If you --init a node-js server with the command tiddlywiki ./test --init 
server, the 2 plugins are added. The tiddlywiki/highlight plugin is also 
added, but not needed by the system. So you can safely remove it, if you 
don't need it. 
 


>1. should be 4) Finally, I was getting some errors auth'ing 
>git/Github, which I was being prompted to do on the command line – this 
> was 
>because of having 2FA enabled, which meant creating a personal access 
>token 
>
> 
>  
>rather than using my password. I just gave it every scope, probably 
>overkill…
>
> That's definitely overkill. .. I didin't read the rest of the thread, so I 
don't know what is pushed, but I'm pretty sure you only need "*public_repo
Access public repositories*". All the *other *elements can be *unchecked*. 

I assume you did follow: 
https://help.github.com/en/github/authenticating-to-github/creating-a-personal-access-token-for-the-command-line

It's the 4th element from the top as shown in the animated gif from the 
link. 

The token should have the least rights as possible, because who every has 
it can basically do what they want. ... *In your name*. And that's a big 
problem ... At least it would be for me ;)

-mario

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/83d9a5a3-853a-4832-a717-cb558722f596n%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Javascript error when adding image

[PMario]

Hi,
Do you get the same error, when you import an image to tiddlywiki.com?
If no, there may be a problem with one of your plugins.
-m

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:13:30 AM UTC+2 rika.s...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm getting a javascript error,  "editor_mapping_prefix_notdefined" when I 
> try to add a png file. Anyone experience this before?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a7ccfff2-f645-49a5-a150-8b8989766c6fn%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Input Prompts to Provide Variables With Button?

[Eric Shulman]

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:49:07 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> If I wanted to add/append some static text to the end of the target field 
> value, how would I do so?
>

Using filtered transclusion:
<$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!target}addsuffix[ Chapter 01]] }}} etc.

if you want, you could add the suffix to the input table:
| Target suffix:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="suffix"/>   |

and then you would use:
<$action-setfield $tiddler={{{ [{!!target}addsuffix{!!suffix}] }}} etc.

enjoy,
-e

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"TiddlyWiki" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/79fedf9c-0482-4502-beaf-9764334c4e91n%40googlegroups.com.