[tw] Re: [TWc] Forked version of Firefox to use as local application?
Since you are using this for offline only, and I have a soft spot for people still using TWC as it's my favorite I'm going to share something with you. !DO NOT USE THIS ONLINE! Make a Boolean pref called: "security.turn_off_all_security_so_that_viruses_can_take_over_this_computer" Set it to true Enjoy modern portable Firefox features such as CSS3 and HTML5 well using TWC as it was intended. Please avoid over sharing this Information. If people start using this extremely hidden pref willy-nilly it will run a high chance of being removed from firefox which would hurt us all. On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 10:25:25 AM UTC-7, roger wrote: > > For those of us using TW as a local application, is there a forked version > of Firefox suitable for use? A browser that isn't intended for browsing > the web, only browsing local html files. > > I've tried using TiddlyDesktop but we may have 30 or 40 TW's open at a > given time. So accessing a specific TW from the browser Sidebar tab is > very efficient. I couldn't duplicate that efficiency with my limited > efforts to use TiddlyDesktop. > > A "local system only" version of FF v14 with the xpconnect privileges > intact would be ideal. > > ~Roger > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/68260f17-2ded-485f-803f-1f0934c234c6%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TWC] TiddlersBarPlugin not work well with TiddlerAliasPlugin
Since this has gotten buried to the point where few would see it I figured I'd bump it for you. Overall the issue is that the Alias Plugin is playing bait and switch and the Tiddlerbar plugin isn't smart enough to open the real tiddler so it tries to display the tiddler that you clicked. Eg: when [[Post A1]] is clicked Post A is opened but the Tiddler bar is showing you [[Post A1]] ( = Nothing here). Which is why the tiddler you want opens but is not focused upon. So someone with the JS know how just needs to alter the Tiddler bar plugin to check for alias map logic and go there if available. On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:14:58 AM UTC-7, Giang Lê Hoàng wrote: Dear all, Recently I am using *TiddlersBarPlugin *and yesterday I installed *TIddlerAliasPlugin *to redirect Relating Tiddlers to my main tiddler. In my TWC (attachment file: *empty.html*) I created the *Test post* in which I wikify *[[Post A]] *and [[*Post A1]]. *In *Post A *tiddler, I created its alias is [[Post A1]]. So, in the tiddler *Test post*, either I click on *Post A *or *Post A1* I will jump to tiddler *Post A.* However, in *empty-TAB.html,* I enabled TiddlersBarPlugin. Then, if I click *Post A *in *Test post* I will jump to *Post A *in another Tab. When I click *Post A1 *in *Test post*, however, there is still another tab *Post A* but the content not appera until click to the header of tab. Is there anyway to fix it? Thank you all! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/85ccda8c-ad26-4c7d-9958-3bfd8dfffa8f%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] [TWC] ConfirmExitPlugin - Not working
It would seem that the: ConfirmExitPlugin http://www.tiddlytools.com/#ConfirmExitPlugin Is no longer working in newer versions of firefox. Usually I use Palemoon so I don't notice things like this anymore, but I decdied to try out the newer firefox / Waterfox builds and the first thing i noticed is the fact the ConfirmExitPlugin isn't working. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/21eb099a-3a2b-447b-b5f3-b930a4252d83%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TWC] Help Sorting a treeview
I finally figured it out! Though it's probably the most duck tape way I could have done it. XD Since I have gotten in trouble for sharing question core mods before I won't post the copy/past details. I did core modification to add my own: sortTiddlers reverseLookup functions I named them sortTiddlersNS reverseLookupNS So that way they are only used by the treeviewplugin and shouldn't effect anything else. in the end I wound up using a slightly modfired version of this natural sorting script: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Bill4Time/javascript-natural-sort/master/naturalSort.js After spending hours figuring out what didn't work I actually learned that as I suspected it was actually super easy to get things to work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f7059cb4-b730-4c55-8faa-8c27731c020a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TWC] Help Sorting a treeview
Looking at things store.getTaggedTiddlers() =
store.reverseLookup(tags...etc)
Which sorts it's output by the titles titles using sortTiddlers().
So it looks like the actual problem is somewhere in this part of the core:
Which looks like a basic sort function so I just have to figure out how to
turn it into a natural sort function.
// Sort a list of tiddlers
TiddlyWiki.prototype.sortTiddlers = function(tiddlers,field)
{
var asc = +1;
switch(field.substr(0,1)) {
case -:
asc = -1;
field = field.substr(1);
break;
case +:
field = field.substr(1);
break;
}
if(TiddlyWiki.standardFieldAccess[field]) {
if(field==title) {
tiddlers.sort(function(a,b) {return a[field].toLowerCase()
b[field].toLowerCase() ? -asc : (a[field].toLowerCase() ==
b[field].toLowerCase() ? 0 : asc);});
} else {
tiddlers.sort(function(a,b) {return a[field] b[field] ? -asc
: (a[field] == b[field] ? 0 : asc);});
}
} else {
tiddlers.sort(function(a,b) {return a.fields[field]
b.fields[field] ? -asc : (a.fields[field] == b.fields[field] ? 0 : +asc);});
}
return tiddlers;
};
On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
The more I tinker with this the more I think that this may require a core
modification.
Since it seems like the core issues is how: store.getTaggedTiddlers();
gathers it's list of tiddlers.
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:08:07 PM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
This is the plugin I'm using:
http://dots.tiddlyspace.com/TreeviewPluginPlugin2
As of now trees with leading numbers sort like:
1 10 100 11 12 13 2 3 4 5...
I know the reason is how strings are sorted and a naturalsort function
needs to be worked in:
eg:
function naturalSort(ar, index){
var L= ar.length, i, who, next,
isi= typeof index== 'number',
rx= /(\.\d+)|(\d+(\.\d+)?)|([^\d.]+)|(\.(\D+|$))/g;
function nSort(aa, bb){
var a= aa[0], b= bb[0], a1, b1, i= 0, n, L= a.length;
while(iL){
if(!b[i]) return 1;
a1= a[i];
b1= b[i++];
if(a1!== b1){
n= a1-b1;
if(!isNaN(n)) return n;
return a1b1? 1: -1;
}
}
return b[i]!= undefined? -1: 0;
}
for(i= 0; iL; i++){
who= ar[i];
next= isi? ar[i][index] || '': who;
ar[i]= [String(next).toLowerCase().match(rx), who];
}
ar.sort(nSort);
for(i= 0; iL; i++){
ar[i]= ar[i][1];
}
}
However I can't for the life of me figure out how to incorporate the
natural sort function into the treeview plugin
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
.
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[tw] Re: [TWC] Help Sorting a treeview
The more I tinker with this the more I think that this may require a core
modification.
Since it seems like the core issues is how: store.getTaggedTiddlers();
gathers it's list of tiddlers.
On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:08:07 PM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
This is the plugin I'm using:
http://dots.tiddlyspace.com/TreeviewPluginPlugin2
As of now trees with leading numbers sort like:
1 10 100 11 12 13 2 3 4 5...
I know the reason is how strings are sorted and a naturalsort function
needs to be worked in:
eg:
function naturalSort(ar, index){
var L= ar.length, i, who, next,
isi= typeof index== 'number',
rx= /(\.\d+)|(\d+(\.\d+)?)|([^\d.]+)|(\.(\D+|$))/g;
function nSort(aa, bb){
var a= aa[0], b= bb[0], a1, b1, i= 0, n, L= a.length;
while(iL){
if(!b[i]) return 1;
a1= a[i];
b1= b[i++];
if(a1!== b1){
n= a1-b1;
if(!isNaN(n)) return n;
return a1b1? 1: -1;
}
}
return b[i]!= undefined? -1: 0;
}
for(i= 0; iL; i++){
who= ar[i];
next= isi? ar[i][index] || '': who;
ar[i]= [String(next).toLowerCase().match(rx), who];
}
ar.sort(nSort);
for(i= 0; iL; i++){
ar[i]= ar[i][1];
}
}
However I can't for the life of me figure out how to incorporate the
natural sort function into the treeview plugin
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
.
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[tw] [TWC] Help Sorting a treeview
This is the plugin I'm using:
http://dots.tiddlyspace.com/TreeviewPluginPlugin2
As of now trees with leading numbers sort like:
1 10 100 11 12 13 2 3 4 5...
I know the reason is how strings are sorted and a naturalsort function
needs to be worked in:
eg:
function naturalSort(ar, index){
var L= ar.length, i, who, next,
isi= typeof index== 'number',
rx= /(\.\d+)|(\d+(\.\d+)?)|([^\d.]+)|(\.(\D+|$))/g;
function nSort(aa, bb){
var a= aa[0], b= bb[0], a1, b1, i= 0, n, L= a.length;
while(iL){
if(!b[i]) return 1;
a1= a[i];
b1= b[i++];
if(a1!== b1){
n= a1-b1;
if(!isNaN(n)) return n;
return a1b1? 1: -1;
}
}
return b[i]!= undefined? -1: 0;
}
for(i= 0; iL; i++){
who= ar[i];
next= isi? ar[i][index] || '': who;
ar[i]= [String(next).toLowerCase().match(rx), who];
}
ar.sort(nSort);
for(i= 0; iL; i++){
ar[i]= ar[i][1];
}
}
However I can't for the life of me figure out how to incorporate the
natural sort function into the treeview plugin
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [tw] Re: Tons of questions, new user.
To be fair it's not GG fault you can't edit your post I have made my own testing GG and you can easily allow people to edit their post, you are just not allowed to here. GG is actually a really nice and advanced system, if whomever is running it wants it to be. On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote: Welcome Brandon, Please bear with us Alex On 26 January 2015 at 19:23, Brandon Sergent brandon...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So I can delete the post but not edit it. God I hate GG. Party like it's 1990. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Edit tiddlers from my text editor
+1 for hoping for a Linux BSD alternative someday, seems like a pretty awesome program. (Been slowly converting over to Linux since the preview version of windows 10 hit. Been using it pretty often and it's driving me to love Linux more and more every week. Though maybe the new major preview next week will turn my experience around with it.) Browser specific may be a little limiting in terms of what browser you can use, but at least it works everywhere the browser can. XD On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:40:55 AM UTC-8, László Zsigmond wrote: Wow, very good. Very good when using Windows. Intrested in seeing a linux alternative for it :). Maybe the browser specific add-on is better to be used at a workstation as Listary is only for personal use. True, the pro version isn't expensive and at least companies should consider to spend on it, support the work. Interesting that Chrome can't have an extension that does this... As geeks are looking for this kind of functionality and many of the TiddlyWiki users are geeks, maybe these infos should be shared on TiddlyWiki's getting started tiddler at the 'see also' part. Best wishes, Laci miercuri, 21 ianuarie 2015, 13:46:11 UTC+2, Tobias Beer a scris: Just found this... http://superuser.com/a/262968 More specifically... http://www.listary.com/text-editor-anywhere http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.listary.com%2Ftext-editor-anywheresa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNGmMRIPJBoutrRreU7amiuAPA1hTw Even better than some browser specific add-on! Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Edit tiddlers from my text editor
This may be of interest to you: http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html#ExternalizePlugin On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 10:22:55 AM UTC-8, László Zsigmond wrote: Hello, I'm a newcomer, and I like TiddlyWiki a lot, thanks for all contributors! Only that I'm more familiar with my text editor (Notepad++) than with the text areas provided by browsers. I tried to separate the tiddlers part from the core code by creating a tiddly.txt by grabbing the tiddlers's html source code and pasting in there and then write there a javascript to just read in this file and write it out as html source code. It didn't worked just like that, I see javascripts should be defined in a TiddlyWiki way and so on... Did anyone else had this idea and where did he/she got with it? I saw that there is a tiddlers import/export plugin but that would mean that instead of direct editing I should have 4-5 additional steps per editings - this I won't do cause then my TiddlyWiki would be always out of sync with my file. Any good advice, directions for this? Thanks, Laszlo Zsigmond -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Edit tiddlers from my text editor
This is why we really need to do something about the group setup. The honer system with Tagging all post TW5 and TWC and the random name takeover of TW5 as TW is just confusing and annoying. On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 12:30:40 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote: On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 7:35:16 PM UTC+1, Arc Acorn wrote: This may be of interest to you: http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html#ExternalizePlugin This is TWclassic and won't work for TiddlyWiki! -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TWc] Field-based CSS?
Just to make sure you want to style a tiddler based on other tiddlers that
link to it field date?
If you simply wanted to style a tiddler based on current field data you can
use the plugin I referenced in this [[topic
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/JO9vgfOxF5Y]]
On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:33:37 AM UTC-8, magev958 wrote:
Is it possible to have CSS in the styleSheet depending on if a field is
not empty?
You can have tag-based CSS like...
div[tags~=welcome].tiddler .viewer {
background-color: #ffccaa;
}
... but I would like to have links coloured a specific way in tiddlerA if
the tiddlerB linking to have field Field1 and it is not empty. The
field-value could be anything. Possible?
/Magnus
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[tw] Re: [TWC] Tiddler Refresh vs Close and re-open
Thanks a ton again Tobias!
Works great, and will make my sister way happy.
She's not super savvy with CSS so she wanted an easy way to apply and
switch through a small number of different mini-themes per each tiddler.
P/s
As a note to anybody else if they ever use this:
For some reason Google decided to quote parts of the code so make sure to
expand it and than delete the two - hide quoted text - after pasting into
your tiddlywiki.
On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 1:36:44 PM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:
Hi Arc,
the problem is in *ThemedTiddlerPlugin*, not *ListBoxPlugin*,
it sets the class at the tiddler but never removes the old class when
applying the new one.
I changed it to remember the *oldTheme*. Try this...
/***
|''Name:''|ThemedTiddlerPlugin |
|''Description:''|Per-Tiddler Mini-Themes |
|''Author:''|PaulDowney (psd (at) osmosoft (dot) com) |
|''Source:''|http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/ThemedTiddlerPlugin/ |
|''CodeRepository:''|
http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/PaulDowney/plugins/ThemedTiddlerPlugin/
|
|''Version:''|0.2 — fix Tobias Beer (oldTheme)|
|''License:''|[[BSD License|
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php]] |
|''Comments:''|Please make comments at
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/TiddlyWikiDev |
|''~CoreVersion:''|2.4|
!!Documentation
The extended field theme is used to reference a tiddler containing a
mini-theme
A mini-theme is a tiddler containing a [[ViewTemplate]], [[EditTemplate]]
and [[StyleSheet]] sections which are applied when the tiddler is
displayed.
In addition, a CSS class of the theme name is added to the tiddler which
may be useful when writing a mini-theme [[StyleSheet]].
!!Code
***/
//{{{
/*jslint onevar: false nomen: false plusplus: false */
/*global Story, store, setStylesheet, addClass */
if (!version.extensions.ThemedTiddlerPlugin) {
version.extensions.ThemedTiddlerPlugin = {installed: true};
Story.prototype.__chooseTemplateForTiddler = Story.prototype.
chooseTemplateForTiddler;
Story.prototype.chooseTemplateForTiddler = function (title, n)
{
// translate number into template name
var template = [ViewTemplate, EditTemplate][n ? n - 1 : 0];
var tiddler = store.getTiddler(title);
if (tiddler) {
var theme = tiddler.fields.theme;
if (theme) {
// assert stylesheet
var style = store.getTiddlerText(theme + '##StyleSheet');
if (style) {
setStylesheet(style, theme);
}
// return theme template
var slice = theme + '##' + template;
if (store.getTiddlerText(slice)) {
return slice;
}
}
}
// default template
return this.__chooseTemplateForTiddler.apply(this, arguments);
};
// assert theme name as a class on the tiddler
Story.prototype.__refreshTiddler = Story.prototype.refreshTiddler;
Story.prototype.refreshTiddler = function (title, template, force,
customFields, defaultText)
{
var tiddlerElem = this.__refreshTiddler.apply(this, arguments),
tiddler = store.getTiddler(title),
oldTheme = tiddlerElem.getAttribute(oldTheme) || ,
newTheme = store.getTiddler(title).fields.theme;
if (tiddler) {
removeClass(tiddlerElem, oldTheme);
tiddlerElem.setAttribute(oldTheme, newTheme);
addClass(tiddlerElem, newTheme);
}
return tiddlerElem;
};
}
//}}}
Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: [TWC] Tiddler Refresh vs Close and re-open
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[tw] Re: [TWC] Tiddler Refresh vs Close and re-open
Bump.
On Friday, January 2, 2015 11:05:33 PM UTC-8, Arc Acorn wrote:
I'm now using ListboxPlugin http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.htmlto
change custom field values to change per-tiddler themes using the
ThemedTiddlerPlugin (Link no longer works so I added it to the bottom of
this post.)
The issue Im running into is that as I change the values with
ListboxPlugin it simply compounds the new classes without removing the old
ones, until I close the tiddler and re-open it than It'll just have the
last value.
So there seems to be a difference between simply refreshing a tiddler
using javascript and closing and re-opening.
Which is as far as I can seem to get on my own.
Plugin
/***
|''Name:''|ThemedTiddlerPlugin |
|''Description:''|Per-Tiddler Mini-Themes |
|''Author:''|PaulDowney (psd (at) osmosoft (dot) com) |
|''Source:''|http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/ThemedTiddlerPlugin/ |
|''CodeRepository:''|
http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/PaulDowney/plugins/ThemedTiddlerPlugin/
|
|''Version:''|0.1|
|''License:''|[[BSD License|
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php]] |
|''Comments:''|Please make comments at
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/TiddlyWikiDev |
|''~CoreVersion:''|2.4|
!!Documentation
The extended field theme is used to reference a tiddler containing a
mini-theme
A mini-theme is a tiddler containing a [[ViewTemplate]], [[EditTemplate]]
and [[StyleSheet]] sections which are applied when the tiddler is
displayed.
In addition, a CSS class of the theme name is added to the tiddler which
may be useful when writing a mini-theme [[StyleSheet]].
!!Code
***/
//{{{
/*jslint onevar: false nomen: false plusplus: false */
/*global Story, store, setStylesheet, addClass */
if (!version.extensions.ThemedTiddlerPlugin) {
version.extensions.ThemedTiddlerPlugin = {installed: true};
Story.prototype.__chooseTemplateForTiddler =
Story.prototype.chooseTemplateForTiddler;
Story.prototype.chooseTemplateForTiddler = function (title, n)
{
// translate number into template name
var template = [ViewTemplate, EditTemplate][n ? n - 1 : 0];
var tiddler = store.getTiddler(title);
if (tiddler) {
var theme = tiddler.fields.theme;
if (theme) {
// assert stylesheet
var style = store.getTiddlerText(theme + '##StyleSheet');
if (style) {
setStylesheet(style, theme);
}
// return theme template
var slice = theme + '##' + template;
if (store.getTiddlerText(slice)) {
return slice;
}
}
}
// default template
return this.__chooseTemplateForTiddler.apply(this, arguments);
};
// assert theme name as a class on the tiddler
Story.prototype.__refreshTiddler = Story.prototype.refreshTiddler;
Story.prototype.refreshTiddler = function (title, template, force,
customFields, defaultText)
{
var tiddlerElem = this.__refreshTiddler.apply(this, arguments);
var tiddler = store.getTiddler(title);
if (tiddler) {
addClass(tiddlerElem, store.getTiddler(title).fields.theme);
}
return tiddlerElem;
};
}
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[tw] [TWC] Tiddler Refresh vs Close and re-open
I'm now using ListboxPlugin http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.htmlto
change custom field values to change per-tiddler themes using the
ThemedTiddlerPlugin (Link no longer works so I added it to the bottom of
this post.)
The issue Im running into is that as I change the values with
ListboxPlugin it simply compounds the new classes without removing the old
ones, until I close the tiddler and re-open it than It'll just have the
last value.
So there seems to be a differnce between simply refreshing a tiddler
using javascript and closing and re-opening.
Which is as far as I can seem to get on my own.
Plugin
/***
|''Name:''|ThemedTiddlerPlugin |
|''Description:''|Per-Tiddler Mini-Themes |
|''Author:''|PaulDowney (psd (at) osmosoft (dot) com) |
|''Source:''|http://whatfettle.com/2008/07/ThemedTiddlerPlugin/ |
|''CodeRepository:''|http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/PaulDowney/plugins/ThemedTiddlerPlugin/
|
|''Version:''|0.1|
|''License:''|[[BSD
License|http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php]] |
|''Comments:''|Please make comments at
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/TiddlyWikiDev |
|''~CoreVersion:''|2.4|
!!Documentation
The extended field theme is used to reference a tiddler containing a
mini-theme
A mini-theme is a tiddler containing a [[ViewTemplate]], [[EditTemplate]]
and [[StyleSheet]] sections which are applied when the tiddler is
displayed.
In addition, a CSS class of the theme name is added to the tiddler which
may be useful when writing a mini-theme [[StyleSheet]].
!!Code
***/
//{{{
/*jslint onevar: false nomen: false plusplus: false */
/*global Story, store, setStylesheet, addClass */
if (!version.extensions.ThemedTiddlerPlugin) {
version.extensions.ThemedTiddlerPlugin = {installed: true};
Story.prototype.__chooseTemplateForTiddler =
Story.prototype.chooseTemplateForTiddler;
Story.prototype.chooseTemplateForTiddler = function (title, n)
{
// translate number into template name
var template = [ViewTemplate, EditTemplate][n ? n - 1 : 0];
var tiddler = store.getTiddler(title);
if (tiddler) {
var theme = tiddler.fields.theme;
if (theme) {
// assert stylesheet
var style = store.getTiddlerText(theme + '##StyleSheet');
if (style) {
setStylesheet(style, theme);
}
// return theme template
var slice = theme + '##' + template;
if (store.getTiddlerText(slice)) {
return slice;
}
}
}
// default template
return this.__chooseTemplateForTiddler.apply(this, arguments);
};
// assert theme name as a class on the tiddler
Story.prototype.__refreshTiddler = Story.prototype.refreshTiddler;
Story.prototype.refreshTiddler = function (title, template, force,
customFields, defaultText)
{
var tiddlerElem = this.__refreshTiddler.apply(this, arguments);
var tiddler = store.getTiddler(title);
if (tiddler) {
addClass(tiddlerElem, store.getTiddler(title).fields.theme);
}
return tiddlerElem;
};
}
//}}}
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[tw] Re: [TWC] checkbox Plugin to toggle field Specific Values
So keeping in mind I still don't really understand JS have never had time
to properly study it.
I have:
[_(theme@){}{}{var title=this.getAttribute(tiddler); var tiddler =
store.getTiddler(title); tiddler.fields[testfield]=test1;
store.saveTiddler
tiddler.title,tiddler.title,tiddler.text,tiddler.modifier,tiddler.modified,tiddler.tags,tiddler.fields);
story.refreshTiddler(title,ViewTemplate,true);}]
I am getting:
Checkbox onClickAfter error: SyntaxError: missing ; before statement.
and I have no idea way... I can't seem to see any missing ;s...
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 7:40:52 PM UTC-8, Arc Acorn wrote:
yeah... just noticed that and came back to correct myself.
Though now I can't seem to figure out how to modified custom fields in
javascript
As far as I can see they are attributes in the html file but editing them
doesn't actually save as custom fields.
So I assume there is a bunch of complex store and story calls that need to
be made.
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 7:24:07 PM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote:
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 6:54:11 PM UTC-8, Arc Acorn wrote:
Seems like I had to do it using javascript in the checkbox macro but
for some reason I'm having issues figuring out what needs to be done.
The documentation don't give any actual examples of using javascript
just tells you you can...
It says:
[x{javascript} {javascript} {javascript}]
To be exact, it says:
[x{javascript}{javascript}{javascript}]
Note *no spaces* between the javascript clauses.
enjoy,
-e
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[tw] Re: [TWC] checkbox Plugin to toggle field Specific Values
yeah... just noticed that and came back to correct myself.
Though now I can't seem to figure out how to modified custom fields in
javascript
As far as I can see they are attributes in the html file but editing them
doesn't actually save as custom fields.
So I assume there is a bunch of complex store and story calls that need to
be made.
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 7:24:07 PM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote:
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 6:54:11 PM UTC-8, Arc Acorn wrote:
Seems like I had to do it using javascript in the checkbox macro but for
some reason I'm having issues figuring out what needs to be done.
The documentation don't give any actual examples of using javascript just
tells you you can...
It says:
[x{javascript} {javascript} {javascript}]
To be exact, it says:
[x{javascript}{javascript}{javascript}]
Note *no spaces* between the javascript clauses.
enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
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[tw] Re: [TWC] checkbox Plugin to toggle field Specific Values
Seems like I had to do it using javascript in the checkbox macro but for
some reason I'm having issues figuring out what needs to be done.
The documentation don't give any actual examples of using javascript just
tells you you can...
It says:
[x{javascript} {javascript} {javascript}]
but when I put [_(theme@) {Some javascript}]
it just renders as:
theme@) {Some javascript}]
With out any checkbox...
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[tw] Re: [TWC] checkbox Plugin to toggle field Specific Values
Or also if anyone knows a way to toggle field values via a button/link/macro, that would work too. On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:21:12 PM UTC-8, Arc Acorn wrote: I swear I've done this before but I can't seem to find the wiki... I'd like to make a checkbox like: [_(FieldName@)] but where the value that it toggles is something I define such as value1|value2 rather than the normal true|false. Please Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] [TWC] checkbox Plugin to toggle field Specific Values
I swear I've done this before but I can't seem to find the wiki... I'd like to make a checkbox like: [_(FieldName@)] but where the value that it toggles is something I define such as value1|value2 rather than the normal true|false. Please Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: What first attracted you to Tiddlywiki?
As I do not deal with email posting I have no experience on that front, I'd be rather shocked however if you couldn't post the same ways as you can now as it's a very small change. (I can find no mention in goggles documentation that says adding sub-categories hinders the ability to reply to posts via email.) As for the realisticness of re-sorting the group, that is an interesting part. When you switch a group to sub-catagorys all the none tagged post can be found under the Show all topics section. It would either have to be accepted by the group that past post effectivly archived and findable only realistically by search. (Which is already the case since the arcives are so big you really can't just look back for anything older than a month in most cases.) Or volunteers would have to be enlisted as admins to help sort out the old posts. From my little test it seems to take between 5 (If obvious) and 13 (if you have to skim the first post) seconds for an admit to add categories to old posts So realistically it will take around 30~50 man hours to sort the current group from current to last post. If 3 people where brought on as admins to sort and spent apx 15mins a day sorting posts, it would take about 2 months to sort everything. On Friday, November 28, 2014 12:53:35 AM UTC-8, Birthe C wrote: Hi Arc Acorn Thank you, I did not think of that. But is it not true that setting it up this way results in not being able to write to the group via email, but able to get updates through email. I would think that was also a consideration. Your example is sure nicely divided, I think it was done like that from the start with the purpose of selling printers. Would sorting all the material in this group in this way be realistic? Birthe Den fredag den 28. november 2014 07.13.07 UTC+1 skrev Arc Acorn: Since my post seems to have started a bit of topic discussion I should clarify my meaning a tad: *On the eco-system side; It still irritates me greatly that the group is not divided properly between TWC and TW5. At the very least it has driven me away from using the group regularly, and nearly driven me away from the community entirely.* First of all note that I don't have anything against TW5 as a project, but as I've said in the past it's just not the same program as TWC. So for me when it comes to interacting with the community I get really tired of coming to the group and having to read long lists of TW5 topics to find anything dealing with TWC. When I first came to the group I loved logging in once a day or so and checking to see if anyone needed any quick help. Now I avoid coming here too often since as soon as I do I often wind up just bouncing out within five seconds of seeing 60+ new post tagged [TW5] because I'm simply tired of wadding through stuff for a program that is only vaguely related to the one I'm acutely using. It kind of feels like I'm going to a Ford dealership board to try and talk about VMWs because they share some of the same ideas. In the future I may wind up loving TW5 and wanting to hang out in it's community, but for right now it's really just a mile long list of [TW5] tags I have to scroll through every time I come here. A long time ago when I proposed splinting the group, that was before I knew it was easy to simply have sub categories in Google groups. Takes this group for instance: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/fsl3d You see how nicely things are divided? Than for the people who like what we have now they can easly swtich back to it by clicking the: Show all topics Link at the top of the page. So overall the group would stay pretty much the same as it is now for the people who don't care, but it would be far easier to actually keep track of things for the people who do. In fact with the right categories it would make things vastly more organized for anythings such as plug-in releases/development vs support. I don't think I have to tell anyone here how hard it is to just browse for plugin releses or anything like that here on the group as is (Eg: There is no light hatred browsing it's search function or bust). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: What first attracted you to Tiddlywiki?
Since my post seems to have started a bit of topic discussion I should clarify my meaning a tad: *On the eco-system side; It still irritates me greatly that the group is not divided properly between TWC and TW5. At the very least it has driven me away from using the group regularly, and nearly driven me away from the community entirely.* First of all note that I don't have anything against TW5 as a project, but as I've said in the past it's just not the same program as TWC. So for me when it comes to interacting with the community I get really tired of coming to the group and having to read long lists of TW5 topics to find anything dealing with TWC. When I first came to the group I loved logging in once a day or so and checking to see if anyone needed any quick help. Now I avoid coming here too often since as soon as I do I often wind up just bouncing out within five seconds of seeing 60+ new post tagged [TW5] because I'm simply tired of wadding through stuff for a program that is only vaguely related to the one I'm acutely using. It kind of feels like I'm going to a Ford dealership board to try and talk about VMWs because they share some of the same ideas. In the future I may wind up loving TW5 and wanting to hang out in it's community, but for right now it's really just a mile long list of [TW5] tags I have to scroll through every time I come here. A long time ago when I proposed splinting the group, that was before I knew it was easy to simply have sub categories in Google groups. Takes this group for instance: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/fsl3d You see how nicely things are divided? Than for the people who like what we have now they can easly swtich back to it by clicking the: Show all topics Link at the top of the page. So overall the group would stay pretty much the same as it is now for the people who don't care, but it would be far easier to actually keep track of things for the people who do. In fact with the right categories it would make things vastly more organized for anythings such as plug-in releases/development vs support. I don't think I have to tell anyone here how hard it is to just browse for plugin releses or anything like that here on the group as is (Eg: There is no light hatred browsing it's search function or bust). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: What first attracted you to Tiddlywiki?
*1. What were you looking for when you first found Tiddlywiki?* A Writing tool I could customize to my way of thinking. I'd tried a few dozen note and creative writing programs and ultimately they just drove me nuts. They where all very static and encouraged users to follow either standard methods or the developers desired method. I wanted something that was effectually a word processor / Wikipad / enclosed file system that I could mold around my own way's of working and thinking. (That didn't require me to run a portable WAMP or LAMP just for it.) (As a side note it's been working great for me for a long while now. It's also worth noting that my main wiki is built around it's own customized version of FireFox which is heavily extended and modded around extending the experience as a replacement for standalone applications, and is overall a circuital component to my main use for TWC. ) *2. Was there anything about the program, the eco-system, whatever, that frustrated you nearly to the point of giving up on it?* On the program side learning the strange and literal backwards way to add JavaScript libraries nearly drove me batty... Thankfully Eric set me straight and I've been pretty happy ever since. On the eco-system side; It still irritates me greatly that the group is not divided properly between TWC and TW5. At the very least it has driven me away from using the group regularly, and nearly driven me away from the community entirely. *3. What made you stick with the program?* An obsession with tinkering, and it's hard to beat how easy and intuitive it is to tinker with TWC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TWC] EasyEdit anyway to add a drop down selection?
Awesome thank you very much!
That was far different than I was expecting it would be done.
It's a good thing I asked other wise I'd never have figured that one out.
Now I think I have enough to work with to get everything I want figured
out.
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:04:42 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
I've added a dropdown for you
https://github.com/buggyj/VisualTW2Plugins/commit/77af678db6ab9b1a49f53ade0ef6b19cef23cfff
BJ
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:41:49 PM UTC+2, Arc Acorn wrote:
Thansk for the added info, but sadly since it still relies on a prompt
and not a selection. I still have no idea where to go from here
I'm still not very good at making a large amount of my own JS only
modifying small to moderate portions of it.
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:15:42 AM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
Hi Arc,
I added a table button - you can see what I did here
https://github.com/buggyj/VisualTW2Plugins/commit/6a249d8018205d0f7a244d6173affe2c96933e7b
all the best
BJ
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 9:20:45 PM UTC+2, Arc Acorn wrote:
Think I've mannaged to figure out that I'd need to add in an if
button.selection command around this area but not really sure where to go
from there.
EditorToolbar.onCommand = function(name){
var button = EditorToolbar.buttons[name];
return function(){
var parameter = false;
if (button.prompt) {
var parameter = this.target.queryCommandValue(name);
parameter = prompt(button.prompt,parameter);
}
if (parameter != null) {
this.target.execCommand(name, false, parameter);
EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton.call(this);
}
return false;
}
}
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:11:11 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
Hey I was wondering if anyone knew a quick way to add a drop down
selection to EasyEdit?
https://github.com/huggyfee/VisualTW2/raw/master/VisualTW2.html
I find myself using the exact same 15 foreground font colors all the
time, so it would be nice to just have a list rather than entering hex
codes all the time.
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[tw] Re: [TWC] EasyEdit anyway to add a drop down selection?
Thansk for the added info, but sadly since it still relies on a prompt and
not a selection. I still have no idea where to go from here
I'm still not very good at making a large amount of my own JS only
modifying small to moderate portions of it.
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:15:42 AM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
Hi Arc,
I added a table button - you can see what I did here
https://github.com/buggyj/VisualTW2Plugins/commit/6a249d8018205d0f7a244d6173affe2c96933e7b
all the best
BJ
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 9:20:45 PM UTC+2, Arc Acorn wrote:
Think I've mannaged to figure out that I'd need to add in an if
button.selection command around this area but not really sure where to go
from there.
EditorToolbar.onCommand = function(name){
var button = EditorToolbar.buttons[name];
return function(){
var parameter = false;
if (button.prompt) {
var parameter = this.target.queryCommandValue(name);
parameter = prompt(button.prompt,parameter);
}
if (parameter != null) {
this.target.execCommand(name, false, parameter);
EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton.call(this);
}
return false;
}
}
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:11:11 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
Hey I was wondering if anyone knew a quick way to add a drop down
selection to EasyEdit?
https://github.com/huggyfee/VisualTW2/raw/master/VisualTW2.html
I find myself using the exact same 15 foreground font colors all the
time, so it would be nice to just have a list rather than entering hex
codes all the time.
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[tw] [TWC] EasyEdit anyway to add a drop down selection?
Hey I was wondering if anyone knew a quick way to add a drop down selection to EasyEdit? https://github.com/huggyfee/VisualTW2/raw/master/VisualTW2.html I find myself using the exact same 15 foreground font colors all the time, so it would be nice to just have a list rather than entering hex codes all the time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TWC] EasyEdit anyway to add a drop down selection?
Think I've mannaged to figure out that I'd need to add in an if
button.selection command around this area but not really sure where to go
from there.
EditorToolbar.onCommand = function(name){
var button = EditorToolbar.buttons[name];
return function(){
var parameter = false;
if (button.prompt) {
var parameter = this.target.queryCommandValue(name);
parameter = prompt(button.prompt,parameter);
}
if (parameter != null) {
this.target.execCommand(name, false, parameter);
EditorToolbar.onUpdateButton.call(this);
}
return false;
}
}
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:11:11 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
Hey I was wondering if anyone knew a quick way to add a drop down
selection to EasyEdit?
https://github.com/huggyfee/VisualTW2/raw/master/VisualTW2.html
I find myself using the exact same 15 foreground font colors all the time,
so it would be nice to just have a list rather than entering hex codes all
the time.
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[tw] Re: [TW2][TWC] reduce backups like lessbackup
TW's also compress with standard compression very well, I have over 20GB of old backups stored in a single 50MB 7z file. On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:02:20 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote: On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:46:29 PM UTC+1, ST HA wrote: What can I do to reduce the amount of backups? I would not directly change the twc - function getBackupPath. At the moment, there is no possibility, since the browser vendors eliminated direct file access. So LessBackupsPlugin doesn't work anymore. I do the following: - save files to a backup folder ... see backstage settings - with windows I define the folder to be compressed by the os IMO if TiddlyFox would handle backups, there would be a possibility for FireFox. But atm Jeremy is busy with TW5. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
Well I'm going to just have to give up trying to figure out the why on this one With no help from any sides it seems to just be a bug in induced in Firefox no one cares about fixing or understanding. Here's my fix for any Firefox users who are bugged by this issue over the comming while after 25+ hit the stable channel GotoPlugin: Change: %keyevent%=return config.macros.gotoTiddler.selectKeyHandler(event,this,this.form.gotoTiddler,%showlist%);\ To: onkeydown=return config.macros.gotoTiddler.selectKeyHandler(event,this,this.form.gotoTiddler,%showlist%);\ For TagSearchPlugin: Change: ).bind(trigger,x.noBubble to: ).bind(keydown,x.noBubble These changes probably break something on some other browsers as they are removing the onkeydown:onkeypress comparability switch function of each plugin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
As a P/s remember if you choice to add these changes or make your own to a plugin rename them to something like GotoPluginModded or GotoPluginFF...etc And consider putting a little note in the plugin like: !Modded Bypassed onkeydown:onkeypress switch for comparability with Firefox 25+ On Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:47:15 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: Well I'm going to just have to give up trying to figure out the why on this one With no help from any sides it seems to just be a bug in induced in Firefox no one cares about fixing or understanding. Here's my fix for any Firefox users who are bugged by this issue over the comming while after 25+ hit the stable channel GotoPlugin: Change: %keyevent%=return config.macros.gotoTiddler.selectKeyHandler(event,this,this.form.gotoTiddler,%showlist%);\ To: onkeydown=return config.macros.gotoTiddler.selectKeyHandler(event,this,this.form.gotoTiddler,%showlist%);\ For TagSearchPlugin: Change: ).bind(trigger,x.noBubble to: ).bind(keydown,x.noBubble These changes probably break something on some other browsers as they are removing the onkeydown:onkeypress comparability switch function of each plugin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
Interesting, I guess since I use more specific CSS due to my complex deigns I've never noticed that Plugin Shadow style sheets loads after StyleSheet. To me this seems like a major flaw, and I'd like to propose that this is should be fixed/changed as really it's a self defeating system, as it makes it so you have to edit shadow tiddlers (which shouldn't ever need to be done) or use uncommon CSS (Which should also be avoided in most cases) for a user to add their own styles that override a shadow tiddlers style. eg: All shadow tiddlers should be loaded before the users styles, other wise it is defeating the point of the users styles sheets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
But you are needlessly taking power out of the users hands, and making the whole thing more convoluted than it needs to be. I'm all for hacking things but we should be striving to make systems that minimize the need for such things as it creates fragmented plugins that get scattered all over the place. If a plugin author needs to override a commonly set user style to ensure their plugin works they can and should easily do so by adding a new class and using a better selector. Thereby nulling out the need for a common user to need to hack a plugin or create convoluted css to keep their personal styles intact. If we are going to have a system based around letting users make it their own we need to make sure that the users code has the last say by default. If you can show me a good example of why a plugin would need to override the user styles, where it wouldn't be able to be done with a good DOM layout and selectors that is non-important enough not to be done as an element style I will fully agree with you. Pretty much from my stand point if you are overriding the users styles than you are practically making virtually hidden element level styles which is simply horrendous. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:06:15 PM UTC-7, Scott Simmons wrote: I disagree. Remember, styles set by plugins with setStylesheet() will NOT override any styles in the user's StyleSheet — so you can circumvent/supersede/replace any of those classes you want by simply adding your own rules in the StyleSheet and knowing that conflicting rules set by setStylesheet() will be ignored. Yes, there are ways to supersede user styles with refreshStyles — but if you feel a plugin author is being too pushy in doing so, don't use his plugins (or hack them to suit your personal preference — which is fun and rewarding in its own right). Think of it this way: The core is the core of TiddlyWiki. It's wrapped in user customizations, like StyleSheet. Plugins are intended to snap in and out of the document as needed/wanted, forming the outer shell of TW functionality. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
You wouldn't be blocking the authors form using this feature you would just be switching it so that all shadow style sheets are rendered before the users style sheet. No plugin should be using these styles to override users styles to start with and is highly unlikely to do any damage to a plugin, however it could save a less savvy user a lot of headache trying to figure out why they can't override styles in the user style sheet like they are told the can. I'd need to see your system to make a real call but it sounds like you have made a plugin that dynamically shifts colors based on your user style sheet? otherwise I'm confused as to why you wouldn't just make style sheets to link at the button of your user style sheet for the given TW. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:01:25 PM UTC-7, Scott Simmons wrote: I can appreciate the development philosophy, but I don't see a compelling need for a fix here. Said fix, as far as I can conceive it, would involve blocking plugin authors from using a (relatively obscure) workaround and prevent — what exactly? Hypothetical style-hijacking? It's not like there are roaming bands of irresponsible plugin authors wrecking people's StyleSheets. Even if there were, people would simply pass on their plugins — or request a fix — or fix them themselves. Not to sound flip. I think the concerns are real (and good ones). I just don't want to endorse a fix that takes a tool out of the toolbox to combat a problem that's only hypothetical. (If there are real-world examples of the load order causing problems, they're pretty rarified and likely easily addressed.) Speaking of rarified, there's a way I benefit from the refreshStyles type of plugin: I have several TiddlyWikis whose CSS is identical but have different background images. In order to make some elements more readable, I've concoted quick-and-dirty plugins to override the default StyleSheet in those TWs. Install the plugin, turn it on, and the styles adjust for that particular TW without affecting the StyleSheet I use (and update regularly) as my go-to. So it's definitely true that I'm biased in favor of the workaround remaining. ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
If you would like to keep all functionality of the correct system than I'd say the best option would be to make two user style sheets. Where: StyleSheet (Is always loaded last) A new StyleSeet like SubStyleSheet? (Is Loaded where the current StyleSheet is for special needs people like yourself.) My proposal for any change is to make working with TW easier for less savvy users to avoid confusion by telling them they can override things in one place and than overriding them in another without telling them about it. The more I look at my own TiddlyWiki's the more I realize I have overridden a ton of these kinds of plugin styles with out realizing it, due to how I tend to make my CSS and how I build my TWs layouts up. Had I try doing things the normal recommended way there would be a lot of my styling being overridden by plugin style sheets. That being said I have 0 faith in that a core change will take effect given that TWC is pretty much frozen in place with TW5 being made unless a major show stopping bug comes up, so it's not worth arguing about this much at all, but it's a core irritant of mine lately. There needs to be more focus around users ability to have the final say in the way there stuff looks without forcing them to learn to hack things or learn advanced techniques to get around things that shouldn't be to start with. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:15:37 PM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: You wouldn't be blocking the authors form using this feature you would just be switching it so that all shadow style sheets are rendered before the users style sheet. No plugin should be using these styles to override users styles to start with and is highly unlikely to do any damage to a plugin, however it could save a less savvy user a lot of headache trying to figure out why they can't override styles in the user style sheet like they are told the can. I'd need to see your system to make a real call but it sounds like you have made a plugin that dynamically shifts colors based on your user style sheet? otherwise I'm confused as to why you wouldn't just make style sheets to link at the button of your user style sheet for the given TW. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:01:25 PM UTC-7, Scott Simmons wrote: I can appreciate the development philosophy, but I don't see a compelling need for a fix here. Said fix, as far as I can conceive it, would involve blocking plugin authors from using a (relatively obscure) workaround and prevent — what exactly? Hypothetical style-hijacking? It's not like there are roaming bands of irresponsible plugin authors wrecking people's StyleSheets. Even if there were, people would simply pass on their plugins — or request a fix — or fix them themselves. Not to sound flip. I think the concerns are real (and good ones). I just don't want to endorse a fix that takes a tool out of the toolbox to combat a problem that's only hypothetical. (If there are real-world examples of the load order causing problems, they're pretty rarified and likely easily addressed.) Speaking of rarified, there's a way I benefit from the refreshStyles type of plugin: I have several TiddlyWikis whose CSS is identical but have different background images. In order to make some elements more readable, I've concoted quick-and-dirty plugins to override the default StyleSheet in those TWs. Install the plugin, turn it on, and the styles adjust for that particular TW without affecting the StyleSheet I use (and update regularly) as my go-to. So it's definitely true that I'm biased in favor of the workaround remaining. ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
This is also effecting: TagSearchPlugin http://tagsearch.tiddlyspot.com/#TagSearchPlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
It's worth noting this is not effecting all option/select lists an example: tableOfContents label:all tiddlers sort:title width:40% size:1 From the TableOfContentsPlugin works perfectly fine. On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:16:41 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: This is also effecting: TagSearchPlugin http://tagsearch.tiddlyspot.com/#TagSearchPlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
Just tested Firefox 25 beta and it's having the same issue which means this will effect the stable channel next month. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
If you look at your shadow tiddlers you'll notice you have:
StyleSheet
StyleSheetColors
StyleSheetLayout
By default
StyleSheet is where you as a user would put your styles.
StyleSheetColors contains all the built in core Color CSS
StyleSheetLayout contains all the built in core layout CSS
You shouldn't touch these as they will be overwritten when you upgrade the
core, and are loaded first.
StyleSheet shadows made by plugins are than loaded they will often be named:
StyleSheetPluginName eg: StyleSheetTiddlersBars.
These are automatically made by the plugins and once more should not be
edited.
Finally the StyleSheet tiddler is loaded which is the user CSS and should
be used to override everything else.
In this tiddler not only can you add CSS to it like a normal stylesheet but
you can than make links to other stylesheets tiddlers to load in it.
Example:
[[StyleSheetTables]]
[[StyleSheetMyMenus]]
/*{{{*/
.MyClass {MyStyls;}
/*}}}*/
Will load my the stylesheet tiddlers StyleSheetTables, StyleSheetMyMenus
before loading the rest of the styles in the StyleSheet tiddler.
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:06:30 AM UTC-7, anton@antonaylward.com
wrote:
I see various tiddlywiki sites (for example at tiddlyspace) which
variously
* have a tiddler named 'Stylesheet
* don't have a tiddler named Stylesheet
* whose Stylesheet tiddler only seems to contain a few things which deal
with specific plugins
* have a tiddler named StyleSheetAdjustments that is obviously just that
* have a tiddler named StyleSheetShortcuts whcih is like the above
I'm used to dealing with CSS in regular HTML sites, but I'm confused at
how all this ties together.
I gather that Tiddlywiki has some inbuilt, in-line styles. That's fine,
but what?
What I don't understand is how the various stylesheet information gets
'included' (or cascaded) or nested without explicit include or import
directives.
And what determines the order?
I see bits and pieces where colours are brought in from one or other
palette.
Isn't the idea of a pallet to stick with one colour scheme and not to pick
and choose across pallets?
What's the recommendations for this?
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Re: [tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
I'm way limited on time so I'll try to address a couple of the things.
Shadow Tiddlers such as StyelSheetColors are not rebuilt every time but
they are built into a fresh empty TiddlyWiki and will rebuild themselves to
their original state if you delete them. AKA: If you change
StyleSheetColors and than delete it, it will rebuild it's self to before
you made any changes.
This is true for plugin made shadow tiddlers as well, if you change them
they will keep your changes but if deleted and sometimes when updated they
will revert back to their original states.
A lot of plugins create CSS on
the fly and append it to the StyleSheet tiddler.
I'm not sure about this, I have never seen it done, and I do a ton of CSS
editing on TWC.
Plugins Either make a shadow stylesheets or use element styling: eg div
class=thingone style=border:2px #FF0 solid/div
As for issues with plugins that use Element level styles being cheating
when they are not highly readable code... well I hate to say it but tough
cookies.
Developers are allowed to make their plugins anyway they want.
That doesn't mean you can't change things if they where made right you can
still use the !important flag in your StyleSheet to override them. eg:
div class=thingone style=border:2px #FF0 solid;/div
Can be changed in your StyleSheet tiddler by adding
.thingone {border:none!important;}
Otherwise you do like any other good hacker and learn to read machine
optimized code.
At just so you have something visual to go off of:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2NQEDGd51sM/UmxW7cZypoI/ANA/uNuGE2Sgvxg/s1600/2013-10-26_165645.png
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Re: [tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
I suppose one thing I should mention here is that I'm a hacker type, and not a programming type especially when it comes to JavaScript. Plugins Either make a shadow stylesheets or use element styling: eg div class=thingone style=border:2px #FF0 solid/div What does the 'setStylesheet() function do? Well at a closer look I stand correct: This function is part of this built in jQuery Plugin jQuery.twStylesheet.js jQuery plugin to dynamically insert CSS rules into a document Usage: jQuery.twStylesheet applies style definitions jQuery.twStylesheet.remove neutralizes style definitions It's function dose indeed inject CSS rulls into the document. I guess I have never noticed any plugin doing this on the basis that the users StyleSheets overrides it anyway, and I never thought about it as it seemed like a silly idea compared to making a shadow style sheet for the plugin or using element styles. That doesn't mean you can't change things if they where made right you can still use the !important flag in your StyleSheet to override them. eg: div class=thingone style=border:2px #FF0 solid;/div You are missing my point. If I don't know the names of the classes then I'm stuck. maybe I can do good stuff the hard way, ignoring the name, surrounding the macro with a span in the tiddler itself and doing it the hard, pre-CSSway. If its not in the docco, if its not in reable source then how can I know the name? Oh, right, take a dump of the page to a file and go though it line by lie to wee what happens when the macro is expanded Why not use the built in page inspection tools in most modern browsers? Or the great community tools for such tasks like FireBug: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mmEl6BZk-8I/Umx4aVgiAiI/ANQ/qP4YlhfHoCY/s1600/2013-10-26_191940.jpg Usually you can find the full CSS path of anything on the page in less than 3 clicks. Otherwise you do like any other good hacker and learn to read machine optimized code. Yes, that's a great way to make TiddlyWiki popular; make it only available to people who are able, willing and have the time to read machine optimized, and compressed, code. The vast majority of the time you will not need to hack plugins to style things. The vast majority of the time you will have plugins with the source available. It is not a developers job to make sure you can easily modify their code nor is it their responsibility to make sure it is always available even if they did unless they make it their jobs themselves. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
Just as an FYI for order of how things go:
setStylesheet() Function is done when the plugins load which means these
styles should be loaded very early on before any stylesheets, and if
plugins had conflicting rules the one loaded lower would win AKA: zzPlugin
would override yyPlugin
eg your cascading chain.
setStylesheet() 0-z - Shadow StyleSheets 0-z? - User StyleSheet('s) (in
order they are linked) -Element styles
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[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
I have narrowed this down to the fact it only effects lists that rely on the onkeypress attribute, unfortunate I've yet to figure out why... if I change onkeypress to onkeydown the function is invoked but as you would expect having arrow keys invoking functions is bad for navigation. But this dose show that it is something very much to do with how Firefox 25+ is handling onkeypress attribute's. Though this doesn't help me understand why alt+enter/return works fine On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:32:04 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: Just tested Firefox 25 beta and it's having the same issue which means this will effect the stable channel next month. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
If a plugin uses the setStylesheet() method than no, or at least I can
not see a way for them to override the system style tiddlers.
If a plugin makes it's own stylesheet shadow tiddler than yes, it's
stylesheet should than override the systems.
As far as I can tell the built in shadow stylesheets (Layout, color..etc)
are ran first than the plugin made shadow style sheets and finally the user
style sheets.
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:50:30 PM UTC-7, Anton Aylward wrote:
Arc Acorn said the following on 10/26/2013 11:13 PM:
Just as an FYI for order of how things go:
setStylesheet() Function is done when the plugins load which means these
styles should be loaded very early on before any stylesheets, and if
plugins had conflicting rules the one loaded lower would win AKA:
zzPlugin would override yyPlugin
eg your cascading chain.
setStylesheet() 0-z - Shadow StyleSheets 0-z? - User StyleSheet('s)
(in order they are linked) -Element styles
That makes more sense.
Just one question.
Should the plugins load their style before or after the basic systems
ones that are expressed in the shadow plugins?
I can hypothesise a use-case where the plugins need to over-ride the
system supplied ones.
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Re: [tw] Re: Stylesheets and how they interact
And of course if you want a plugin to override all stylesheets you would
use Element styles, which would than force a user to to use the !important
flag to override them.
If for some reason you wanted to force a user to have to hack your plugin
to change a style you could make element styles that have the !important
flag that were super specific. (Don't ever do this it's extremely cruel to
visually impaired people who use user.css to help them read websites
better.)
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:32:40 PM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote:
If a plugin uses the setStylesheet() method than no, or at least I can
not see a way for them to override the system style tiddlers.
If a plugin makes it's own stylesheet shadow tiddler than yes, it's
stylesheet should than override the systems.
As far as I can tell the built in shadow stylesheets (Layout, color..etc)
are ran first than the plugin made shadow style sheets and finally the user
style sheets.
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:50:30 PM UTC-7, Anton Aylward wrote:
Arc Acorn said the following on 10/26/2013 11:13 PM:
Just as an FYI for order of how things go:
setStylesheet() Function is done when the plugins load which means
these
styles should be loaded very early on before any stylesheets, and if
plugins had conflicting rules the one loaded lower would win AKA:
zzPlugin would override yyPlugin
eg your cascading chain.
setStylesheet() 0-z - Shadow StyleSheets 0-z? - User StyleSheet('s)
(in order they are linked) -Element styles
That makes more sense.
Just one question.
Should the plugins load their style before or after the basic systems
ones that are expressed in the shadow plugins?
I can hypothesise a use-case where the plugins need to over-ride the
system supplied ones.
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[tw] Re: alternatives to IntelliTaggerPlugin ?
How much lighter? If you just want to strip a feature or two out of IntelliTagger it's pretty easy. On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:58:48 AM UTC-7, julien23 wrote: Hi All I have been using IntelliTaggerPlugin for a long time but I am looking for something lighter. What alternatives would you recommend me ? Thank you Julien -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Getting wary of Google
Windows 8 has many odd issues... Though the biggest thing that keeps me from supporting Windows 8 is the removal of the classic shell(Among other old world options) for no reason what so ever. I used Windows 8 from Milestone 3 all the way through and they didn't remove the classic shell 'til right before the public beta. Overall it's the same reason I don't like Chrome and a lot of modern programs for that matter, they are stripping away your choice to make things look and work the way you want them to and instead force a vision of how they think everything should work, and than follow up by bullying people into moving to the new system for some reason or another. As for why I'm not worried about invasive data collection I know the US government and major companies too well... It doesn't matter how private a place can claim to be. Until the entire ecosystem embraces a wholly unbreakable encryption standard with no built in obligatory back doors it's entirely pointless. If you move out of the privacy argument and just say it's just plain creepy to have a huge profile built up about the things people do and how they dothem Well given what Google dose can you blame them? If you want to provide people with things that are reverent to them are likely what they are looking for you have to know as much as you can about that person. Now one thing to keep in mind also is how important their data collection is to other companies as well. I help a couple of companies understand their Google analytics information and how to apply it to in ways to help them better target their audiences. As an online company the information you can gain from Google's data collection is irreplaceable. You can better target and understand your abundance without having to hound them with endless surveys..etc The downside to this is that you are now targeting the users/people who let you gather information about them, as for all the users hell bent on keeping you from knowing anything about them and their habits... well you can't target them because you don't know anything about them. The only thing that really bugs me about Google's data collection is that they don't obfuscate the data quick or secure enough for my tastes. On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:40:06 AM UTC-7, GeoD wrote: Ouch, you struck a chord there, I had managed to stay clear of Windows 8 until 2 weekends ago. What a bizarre UI! Sadly I have to agree on many of your points but 'I could care less about their invasive data collection'? Really? At any rate, back to TW5 and sanity, ~GeoD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TagsTree or alternative
I don't know much about TagsTree but since the thread is originally or alternative I figured I'd point you towards one of my favorite plugins: http://treeview.tiddlyspot.com/ Here's a quick mock up screenshot of what I think you want to do: (Keep in mind the style is purely my own and not part of the plugin.) https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-my7dJSIzoDE/UmsGIDc4oSI/AMI/vThFnfWjeRU/s1600/2013-10-25_165908.png -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: TagsTree or alternative
Yeah... compared to some other plugins it can be a bit odd... I've thought about about making a ready to use TiddlyWiki distro based around my modified version of it just for that reasons. But not very many people around the community seem to have any interest in working with a more advanced tree system, I would most likely not be worth the time. It would take me at least a dozen hours to clean up all my odd hacks and restructure the whole thing to work in a single file setup again like the original... ^-^; Though on that note this is the last distro by the original creator I know of: http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/ On Friday, October 25, 2013 5:40:43 PM UTC-7, Anton Aylward wrote: Arc Acorn said the following on 10/25/2013 08:04 PM: I don't know much about TagsTree but since the thread is originally or alternative I figured I'd point you towards one of my favorite plugins: http://treeview.tiddlyspot.com/ Here's a quick mock up screenshot of what I think you want to do: (Keep in mind the style is purely my own and not part of the plugin.) https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-my7dJSIzoDE/UmsGIDc4oSI/AMI/vThFnfWjeRU/s1600/2013-10-25_165908.png Yes, indeed, but Yikes! Its! Complicated! To! Set! Up! -- Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and co-operation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: CSS in tables?
I wouldn't actually recommend applying that... If you do though make sure you document it somewhere as: #1 It could cause issues somewhere down the line if a plugin tries to do something with that core function and it could cause strange results. #2 If there is ever a new update to TWC it'll be overwritten when you update the core. #3 It isn't easy to share with other wikis since you would need to do the same edit to all of them rather than just adding a plugin. (Effectively core edits like this would = forking) I know there are ways to make simple plugins that high-jack core function like this which would be the better option as it would make the change into a plug-in rather than a core edit, I'm just not sure how to write them since it's poorly documented around the community about such things and me still being pretty new to Javascript. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Getting wary of Google
I know where you're coming from I'd *love *to ditch all things Google they have gotten really bad over the last couple of years... I can hardly believe they are the same company. But the issue I run into is pretty much the issue around here so much has been build around Google stuff from the time when it was a good company, and things they offers from good companies they bought it's hard to just up and ditch them. I figure I'll give them until my next cellphone upgrade/downgrade, I'm really hoping FireFox OS or Ubuntu Mobile get up to usable states and available on reasonable hardware before than. Digressing though once I can switch to a non-Google phone I'll be ditching all things Google regardless of what I have to leave behind in the process. Anyway I doubt anyone here is going to move anywhere anytime soon just from how things have gone in the past, but I wish you luck and support and hope to join you someday! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Getting wary of Google
I could care less about their invasive data collection my issues with them is the way the are bullying and blackmailing other companies and even developers. The ridiculous ways they are taking control of open source code, and their sickening fetish with forcing G+ accounts on everyone. I'm not a big fan of MS either but you know MS is a closed source vendors who makes their intentions very clear. Google acts like they are fighting for an open standard world and than they wait 'til your backs turned and acts just like MS if not worse. If I had to pick one I'd rather trust the company that's openly evil, and that's saying a lot for me right now given that I'm a pretty hardcore windows 8 hater... Using a Windows Phone to me is out and out dreadful and yet I'm still thinking... if another OS doesn't hit the market it's the lesser of the 3 evils. On Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:44:16 PM UTC-7, GeoD wrote: Does it really surprise you? Things change when you have a *1st quarter* revenue of $14 billion and net income of $3.35 billion. While I am unhappy about their (IMHO) invasive data collection they still provide a heck of a lot of FREE services offering real value to the general public and developers in particular. Google is also a primary technology driver in web development, A/V development, actually open standards, cloud storage, even these lists that are so important to our software development. Say what you will about control over Android, that is possibly the main reason it has not fragmented into hundreds of 'distros' and stalled in the marketplace. We have come to expect that Android applications 'just work' no matter what phone or tablet we use and a very high percentage of the time they do. I am not an apologist for Google (and neither do I or any of my relatives work for them ;-) but ... has M$oft done as much?? ~GeoD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Getting wary of Google
As a general P/S I am not a Google hater by design. It has taken them a lot of work to finally push me to the point of where I am actually ready and wanting to toss them out of my life. I was among the first people to use Gmail,Froogle, Docs, Voice, Drive, Devtools, Analytic, reader, maps, Android...etc I've been using an Android phone since the very first gen, and I've been promoting peoples and companies use of Google products for over a decade. Two years ago if you would have come up to me you would have found a dedicated long time Google fan who was a little concerned about some things, but had faith in a company that I had seen do many great things. On Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:00:32 PM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: I could care less about their invasive data collection my issues with them is the way the are bullying and blackmailing other companies and even developers. The ridiculous ways they are taking control of open source code, and their sickening fetish with forcing G+ accounts on everyone. I'm not a big fan of MS either but you know MS is a closed source vendors who makes their intentions very clear. Google acts like they are fighting for an open standard world and than they wait 'til your backs turned and acts just like MS if not worse. If I had to pick one I'd rather trust the company that's openly evil, and that's saying a lot for me right now given that I'm a pretty hardcore windows 8 hater... Using a Windows Phone to me is out and out dreadful and yet I'm still thinking... if another OS doesn't hit the market it's the lesser of the 3 evils. On Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:44:16 PM UTC-7, GeoD wrote: Does it really surprise you? Things change when you have a *1st quarter* revenue of $14 billion and net income of $3.35 billion. While I am unhappy about their (IMHO) invasive data collection they still provide a heck of a lot of FREE services offering real value to the general public and developers in particular. Google is also a primary technology driver in web development, A/V development, actually open standards, cloud storage, even these lists that are so important to our software development. Say what you will about control over Android, that is possibly the main reason it has not fragmented into hundreds of 'distros' and stalled in the marketplace. We have come to expect that Android applications 'just work' no matter what phone or tablet we use and a very high percentage of the time they do. I am not an apologist for Google (and neither do I or any of my relatives work for them ;-) but ... has M$oft done as much?? ~GeoD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: CSS in tables?
It should be possible to make a plugin that would give you more options.
I don't really know how to make plugins very well myself, so hopefully
someone better suited to the task will help you out, but as proof of
concept here is a sample core edit that adds more cell style options:
// Cell
w.nextMatch++;
var styles = config.formatterHelpers.inlineCssHelper(w);
var spaceLeft = false;
var chr = w.source.substr(w.nextMatch,4);
while(chr == ) {
spaceLeft = true;
w.nextMatch++;
chr = w.source.substr(w.nextMatch,1);
}
var cell;
if(chr == ) {
cell = createTiddlyElement(e,th);
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == #f00) {
cell =
createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarkedRed,null,{style:background-color:
#f00;});
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == #0f0) {
cell =
createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarkedGreen,null,{style:background-color:
#0f0;});
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == #00f) {
cell =
createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarkedBlue,null,{style:background-color:
#00f;});
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == #ff0) {
cell =
createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarkedYellow,null,{style:background-color:
#ff0;});
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == #f0f) {
cell =
createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarkedPurple,null,{style:background-color:
#f0f;});
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == #0ff) {
cell =
createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarkedLightBlue,null,{style:background-color:
#0ff;});
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == ###0) {
cell = createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarked0);
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else if(chr == ###1) {
cell = createTiddlyElement(e,td,null,CellMarked1);
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
w.nextMatch++;
}
else {
cell = createTiddlyElement(e,td);
}
Results:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zKGsVx3mSEI/UmhF8XMdRFI/ALw/iZVBiqIMJfI/s1600/2013-10-23_145535.png
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GTtD9zz3aVY/UmhGIHQhUlI/AL4/obo9AWa-uBc/s1600/2013-10-23_145458.png
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:00:03 PM UTC-7, Chad wrote:
Yes, that's exactly what I meant... I didn't express it clearly enough, I
guess.
Well, even this one highlighting found so far helps a lot. Thank you!
четверг, 24 октября 2013 г., 0:35:07 UTC+4 пользователь Stephan Hradek
написал:
No...
You mark a cell as header by putting ! at the beginning.
With the trick you are able to highlight a non-header cell by putting a !
at the beginning.
The only difference is: If the cell is either in the first row of a table
or the first cell of any row, it's considered a real header. Is it
somewhere else, it is highlighted.
But you only have one kind of highlight available.
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[tw] Re: TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
Rather bizarrely it'll work if I hold Alt when I hit Enter... On Monday, October 21, 2013 9:27:43 AM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: http://www.tiddlytools.com/#GotoPlugin I just updated my main wiki to 27 today after having it at 24 for a really long time and noticed that the gotoplugin no longer works with keyboard navigation. AKA: Type a word(s) use arrow keys to go down hit enter to open. Hitting enter/return dose nothing now and the entry has to be clicked by the mouse to open. I have tested this on a completely clean firefox profile on 27 (64-bit) 26 (32-bit) and on nearly empty wikis 2.7x 2.8x and even tiddlytools.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Creating tiddler using forms
I ask this since I run into many people who don't know what line-break characters are since in normal HTML they are treated as normal white-space and in those you don't have to think about them: When you say There are *NO* line breaks in the HTML I'm supplying. You do really mean there are no line-breaks not just line-break tags but line-break characters meaning you never use the return/enter key. AKA your code looks like: htmldivspanContent/spanspanContent/spanulliItem1/liliItem2/liliItem3/li/ul/div/html If you're code looks like that it should render right, but if it looks like this or anything like it, it'll render with a bunch of BR tags: html div spanContent/span spanContent/span ul liItem1/li liItem2/li liItem3/li /ul /div /html On Monday, October 21, 2013 6:12:56 AM UTC-7, Anton Aylward wrote: Eric Shulman said the following on 10/20/2013 10:05 PM: What are those breaks being inserted? If http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#HTMLFormattingPlugin is installed (to permit mixed mode wiki+HTML syntax), it will affect the way linebreaks are handled within HTML blocks. You can prevent this by adding hide linebreaks or nowiki to your HTML content. See http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#HTMLFormattingPluginInfo for details. I'll certainly look into that, Eric, but I want to emphasise one thing. There are *NO* line breaks in the HTML I'm supplying. They are being inserted by the plugin. If I take the content of my template and use it as a plain html file and view that in firefox it comes out laid out the way I expect, no superfluous spacing. As I said, when I went in with the debugger to the TiddlyWiki/plugin-transformed version there were ADDED line breaks - span br /br br /br /span That's very idiomatic, the space after the br and putting it in a span. I most definitely do not write HTML like **THAT**!!! So I ask, will the HTMLFormattingPlugin eliminate line breaks and the span generated by another plugin? Will the order of invocation matter? -- It is therefore not unreasonable to suppose that some portion of the neglect of science in England, may be attributed to the system of education we pursue. -- Charles Babbage -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] TWC - GotoPlugin keyboard support broke in FF27 26
http://www.tiddlytools.com/#GotoPlugin I just updated my main wiki to 27 today after having it at 24 for a really long time and noticed that the gotoplugin no longer works with keyboard navigation. AKA: Type a word(s) use arrow keys to go down hit enter to open. Hitting enter/return dose nothing now and the entry has to be clicked by the mouse to open. I have tested this on a completely clean firefox profile on 27 (64-bit) 26 (32-bit) and on nearly empty wikis 2.7x 2.8x and even tiddlytools.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Creating tiddler using forms
This is happening directly in your template layout? Can we please see an example tiddlywiki file. I haven't ever heard of nor experienced any BR tag issues in template layout files before. On Monday, October 21, 2013 9:28:44 AM UTC-7, Anton Aylward wrote: Arc Acorn said the following on 10/21/2013 11:01 AM: I ask this since I run into many people who don't know what line-break characters are since in normal HTML they are treated as normal white-space and in those you don't have to think about them: When you say There are *NO* line breaks in the HTML I'm supplying. You do really mean there are no line-breaks not just line-break tags but line-break characters meaning you never use the return/enter key. AKA your code looks like: htmldivspanContent/spanspanContent/spanulliItem1/liliItem2/liliItem3/li/ul/div/html If you're code looks like that it should render right, but if it looks like this or anything like it, it'll render with a bunch of BR tags: html div spanContent/span spanContent/span ul liItem1/li liItem2/li liItem3/li /ul /div /html I hear what you're saying, and wonder why a plugin should require that the HTML is in a user-unfriendly and unmaintainable format. I'll try out converting the template to a one-liner, but I think you are wrong. The reason I think you are wrong is that I can look at other *Template tiddlers, the ViewTemplate and the EditTemplate and many other example templates that arise from Eric's advice elsewhere in this thread. But more to the point, when I look at the examples for using the FormTiddlerPlusing at http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de such as BiggerFormtemplate and ContactsTemplate are laid out in readable style rather than the all-in-one-line-with-no-breaks style and they work and they do not, when I run the debugging tools on them, have extra breaks inserted. The don't have Eric's hide linebreaks inserted either and that site doesn't have the HTMLFormattingPlugin installed. So I'm back to the why me? point. Why do I get all those extra line breaks? -- Power, money, persuasion, supplication, persecution -- these can lift at a colossal humbug--push it a little--weaken it a little over the course of a century; but only laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand. -- Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: newTiddler failing on installing TiddlyFox - any thoughts on how to debug this or what might be happenning, please?
So I can build an environment to match your's to see if I can replicate the issue what version of TiddlyFox are you using? And you said: Firefox 23.0 and Firefox Portable 11.2. Dose this happen on 11.2 as well? (You don't need TiddlyFox to save in this early of a Firefox build.) On Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:22:18 AM UTC-7, Shankar wrote: Since I posted the above, I was able to restore the older version of Firefox that I was using before the recent upgrade. From that I have been able to establish that is not my Tiddlywiki - it is either the Firefox or the TiddlyFox or the combination that is crippling the functionality. I am wondering if it is possible that any of the macros I have written (over the years) or the customizations I have done might interfere with TiddlyFox. Does anyone know if that is a possibility (though I doubt it highly)? In the unlikely event that some customizations could interfere with TiddlyFox, what is the way to debug it? Thanks. Cheers; 'best, shankar On Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:57:51 AM UTC-7, Shankar wrote: I have a group of about a dozen TiddlyWiki files - each I use as a personal notebook. Here are the details: ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: newTiddler failing on installing TiddlyFox - any thoughts on how to debug this or what might be happenning, please?
Since this uses Netscape privilege manager which has be *disabled* in
newer Firefox builds this won't apply as a quick and easy fix, but if you
are just copying things to your clipboard imagine if you rewrote the code a
little bit to work in the same way as WYSIWYG editors than you could use
the simple work around you can for them:
http://support.omniupdate.com/oucampus9/support/troubleshooting/firefox-copy-paste.html
On Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:43:08 PM UTC-7, Shankar wrote:
It is my issue; and due a bug I had introduced. The bug showed itself now
due to current versions of Firefox no longer supporting the security
manager.
I had hacked the Tiddly so that every time I create a new tiddler, the
name of the tiddler is automatically copied to the clipboard. The code
runs something like:
try {
mySysClip =
Components.classes[myId].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIClipboardHelper);
netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
mySysClip.copyString(title);
}
catch( err ) {
alert(Error in copying to clipboard: + err);
}
Except that I had the first line outside the try block :-( and that
failed with the new version of Firefox as Firefox no longer allows
enabling previlege - I found out today.
The code to write to clipboard was given to by Eric Shulman years ago; but
the bug was introduced by me.
To fix this, I have to make a small extension - one of these days,
hopefully.
Thanks Eric and Arc for your help in figuring this out.
Cheers; 'best,
shankar swamy
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki for Android with Firefox + FiddlyFox
If it helps the exact steps I did where: -Went to the TiddlyFox Github page in Firefox -Requested the desktop version of the site (Because I hate the mobile version no other special reason ^^;) -Downloaded the .xpi -Closed Firefox -Used ES File Explore to open the .xpi with Firefox -Clicked okay to Install -Rebooted Firefox -Started using TiddlyWiki FYI: I just did these steps with a brand new copy of Firefox Beta from the Google app store and it worked as expected. Things you may try is clearing your Firefox cache's and starting over with a clean slate. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:17:11 PM UTC-7, Seann Hamilton wrote: Thanks Arc. That helped to know exactly what a proper install should look like. It's still giving me trouble, sadly. Played around for another hour with different browsers to download it, trying to get into the settings, about:config, etc., but cannot seem to get the xpi to actually finish it's install. Odd. Good to know it's working for others though. ~ Seann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki for Android with Firefox + FiddlyFox
I never use firefox's addon site for my addons, but testing this I uninstalled TiddlyWiki on the Firefox beta I was using to test this and went to the addon finder in firefox and TiddlyWiki isn't even listed as far as I can see. On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:46:50 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Hi Everyone Am I right in understanding that the underlying problem that addons.mozilla.org isn't listing the latest version of TiddlyFox, and falls back to alpha3? Does this just happen on older versions of Firefox for Android? Best wishes Jeremy On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Arc Acorn nutty...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: If it helps the exact steps I did where: -Went to the TiddlyFox Github page in Firefox -Requested the desktop version of the site (Because I hate the mobile version no other special reason ^^;) -Downloaded the .xpi -Closed Firefox -Used ES File Explore to open the .xpi with Firefox -Clicked okay to Install -Rebooted Firefox -Started using TiddlyWiki FYI: I just did these steps with a brand new copy of Firefox Beta from the Google app store and it worked as expected. Things you may try is clearing your Firefox cache's and starting over with a clean slate. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:17:11 PM UTC-7, Seann Hamilton wrote: Thanks Arc. That helped to know exactly what a proper install should look like. It's still giving me trouble, sadly. Played around for another hour with different browsers to download it, trying to get into the settings, about:config, etc., but cannot seem to get the xpi to actually finish it's install. Odd. Good to know it's working for others though. ~ Seann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki for Android with Firefox + FiddlyFox
If I got straight to the addon website rather than the built in system to the Tiddlyfox page I get: Not Updated for Firefox 25.0 and the button is grayed out. On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:46:50 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Hi Everyone Am I right in understanding that the underlying problem that addons.mozilla.org isn't listing the latest version of TiddlyFox, and falls back to alpha3? Does this just happen on older versions of Firefox for Android? Best wishes Jeremy On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Arc Acorn nutty...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: If it helps the exact steps I did where: -Went to the TiddlyFox Github page in Firefox -Requested the desktop version of the site (Because I hate the mobile version no other special reason ^^;) -Downloaded the .xpi -Closed Firefox -Used ES File Explore to open the .xpi with Firefox -Clicked okay to Install -Rebooted Firefox -Started using TiddlyWiki FYI: I just did these steps with a brand new copy of Firefox Beta from the Google app store and it worked as expected. Things you may try is clearing your Firefox cache's and starting over with a clean slate. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:17:11 PM UTC-7, Seann Hamilton wrote: Thanks Arc. That helped to know exactly what a proper install should look like. It's still giving me trouble, sadly. Played around for another hour with different browsers to download it, trying to get into the settings, about:config, etc., but cannot seem to get the xpi to actually finish it's install. Odd. Good to know it's working for others though. ~ Seann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] TWC - JavaScript on each tiddler open
This feels like it should all ready be answered but no matter what I search
for I can't seem to find what I need...
Notes:
- I'm using single page mode so only one tiddler is open at a time.
- I have tried my normal method of adding the script to a tiddler and than
using the tiddler macro method to call it in the viewTemplate but in this
case it doesn't' work since the script gets the title of the tiddler in the
marco and not the current open one.
I'd like this script to run every time a tiddler is opened:
script
var title = (tiddler instanceof Tiddler)? tiddler.title : tiddler;
window.parent.document.getElementById('iTitle').innerHTML=title;
/script
The point of this script is to move the Tiddler title out of the iFrame:
The main reason for this besides the fact it looks nicer is to make my
TinyTiddlyWiki easier to drag around and re-size.
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[tw] Re: TWC - JavaScript on each tiddler open
Right now I think I figured out that my issue is that the script when
placed in the viewTemplate like this:
span tiddler='iFrameName'/span
I've also tried:
span refresh='content' force='true' tiddler='iFrameName'/span
But it only works when I force a refresh on the iFrame, but if I put the
script in any given tiddler it runs when the tiddler is opened and works as
intended, so my question is where/how should I put the script to get it to
run as if it was in every tiddler without physically putting it in every
tiddler?
Trying to simply the question:
If I just past:
script
var title = (tiddler instanceof Tiddler)? tiddler.title : tiddler;
window.parent.document.getElementById('iTitle').innerHTML=title;
/script
In all the tiddlers in my TW It would work as I want.
So my question is where can I put the script to get it to be ran when any
tiddler is opened as if it was part of the tiddler without having to add it
into every tiddler.
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[tw] Re: TWC - JavaScript on each tiddler open
Right now I think I figured out that one of my issue is that the script
when placed in the viewTemplate like this:
span tiddler='iFrameName'/span
I've also tried:
span refresh='content' force='true' tiddler='iFrameName'/span
But it only works when I force a refresh on the iFrame, but if I put the
script in any given tiddler it runs when the tiddler is opened and works as
intended, so my question is where/how should I put the script to get it to
run as if it was in every tiddler without physically putting it in every
tiddler?
Trying to simply the question:
If I just past:
script
var tid = story.findContainingTiddler(place);
tid = tid ? tid.getAttribute('tiddler') : '';
window.parent.document.getElementById('iTitle').innerHTML=tid;
/script
In all the tiddlers in my TW It would work as I want.
So my question is where can I put the script to get it to be ran when any
tiddler is opened as if it was part of the tiddler without having to add it
into every tiddler.
On Friday, October 18, 2013 2:06:50 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote:
Hi Arc,
I don't quite understand what you are trying to do.
Perhaps rewind once more and explain the overall idea of what you're
trying to achieve.
Anyhow, to find the outer tiddler, perhaps try...
var tid = story.findContainingTiddler(place);
tid = tid ? tid.getAttribute('tiddler') : '';
if(tid)
doThis;
else
doesntExist(yet);
Tobias.
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[tw] Re: TWC - JavaScript on each tiddler open
That fixed it! So it was just me calling the tiddler into the viewTemplate the wrong way... On Friday, October 18, 2013 3:52:59 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote: You can put this in your ViewTemplate: span macro=tiddler NameOfTiddlerContainingScript/span enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios HELP ME TO HELP YOU - MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO MY TIP JAR... http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Donations Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services... Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Contact -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: [TWC] MAJOR UPDATE: ListfiltrPlugin 1.5.0
Very nice, I'm loving table support! Only been using it for a couple of hours and it's already came in handy a few times. Section support sounds like it could be cool too, but for some reason I can't seem to get it to work for me when I add the macro at the end of a tiddler with a bunch of sections it just attaches it's self to the lowest section in the tiddler and that's it. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:07:56 AM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Hi everyone, I just released a new version of *ListFiltrPlugin* ( http://listfiltr.tiddlyspace.com) which brings the following updates... - big usability boost by only *searching after a few milliseconds* of not typing - now can filter *tables*, respecting header rows or header columns as well as basic rowspan or colspan - can also filter by *section* preserving section headings or entire sections when a heading matches - sections, lists, tables can all be combined for filtering - in fact, you might just be able to pretty much filter your entire tiddlers - under the hood, certain selectors are now *configurable* (not documented yet) as compared to the hard-coded nature before - major *refactoring* — extracting functionality into helper functions To get started and understand the possibilities, have a look at the examples... http://listfiltr.tiddlyspace.com/#Examples The commit to github... https://github.com/tobibeer/TiddlyWikiPlugins/commit/7781852cc9ae23a9abe3fa36252a5273bd5e57aa Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: [TWC] MAJOR UPDATE: ListfiltrPlugin 1.5.0
Ah~ That makes sense... since the macro alone worked fine for all the tables and lists I wanted to use it on it never crossed my mind to try with a section only set as well. Works pretty awesomely now that I know! I never thought about being able to work with section heavy tiddlers like this, and overall I am really loving it especially for tables though since it stacks very nicely with sort-able tables, it's made working with huge tables so easy I can hardly believe it. The only thing I wished it could do at this point would be to accept more than one filter at a time, but I can see how that could be tricky to do since you would have to pick a separator besides a comma or space since they could both be commonly used when filtering sections. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:53:56 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Uff, now at version 1.6.0. Did some more tweaking as the rewrite and refactoring along with table and section handling chew up some of the handling for nested lists... all working now and better than before, I guess. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki for Android with Firefox + FiddlyFox
FireFox 24 Stable Android 4.1.2 Phone: Note II Kernel: Saber 41.3 TiddlyFox 1a18 is listed under the Add-on menu and TWC 2.7x 2.8x can save as expected. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:18:00 PM UTC-7, Seann Hamilton wrote: Just tested this (firefox 25 android beta, android 4.1.1, tiddlyfox latest, mgsd). Everything seemed right as per the designated method, including the popup saying a restart was necessary and then the reboot... but the functionality never started working. Further analysis shows that tiddlyfox is still not actually listed as an installed addon in my instance... My working theory is that it never actually installed because I'm on 4.1.1... Can someone for whom this is working check in your firefox android settings and confirm whether tiddlyfox is listed as installed on your browser? (menu button tools addons) . That would help me narrow this down. Thanks ~ Seann On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:11:19 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Thanks for the walkthrough, I have added it to *TiddlyWiki.org*. Feel invited to do likewise next time and then just point to it from here... FAQ article http://tiddlywiki.org/#%5B%5BHow%20to%20get%20TiddlyFox%20running%20on%20Android%3F%5D%5D Added here... http://tiddlywiki.org/#Mobile And a new section here... http://tiddlywiki.org/#FAQ — tobias -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC-help: Open tiddlers via an Iframe
Thanks! That was just what I was looking for and knowing what to do I easily found out I can use: window.frames[iFrameName] instead of window.parent to open tiddlers in the iFrame TWC from the Parent! On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:16:44 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote: On Monday, October 14, 2013 3:50:31 AM UTC-7, Stephan Hradek wrote: I just played around a bit and I think this could be helpful for you. If you can manage to execute JavaScript in your main TiddlyWiki initiated by a link in your iFrame, it could help. This will open TiddlerTitle in the parent document: htmla href=javascript:window.parent.story.displayTiddler(null,'TiddlerTitle');Link Text/a/html you can also use this technique with other TWCore functions... for example: trigger save changes in the parent document: htmla href=javascript:window.parent.saveChanges();save changes/a/html enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios HELP ME TO HELP YOU - MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO MY TIP JAR... http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Donations Professional TiddlyWiki Consulting Services... Analysis, Design, and Custom Solutions: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#Contact -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: [TW5] htm vs html change?
htm vs html http://www.sightspecific.com/~mosh/www_faq/ext.html On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:49:08 PM UTC-7, David Gifford wrote: Hello all, I just noticed this weekend that when I download a standalone TW5 that it now saves as html. Previously it saved as htm. I am wondering the following: 1. What is the practical, user difference between the two file extensions for TiddlyWiki? File size? Ability to be searched for by Google? Stability? Features that function in one and not in the other? Something else? 2. How will this change affect the data I have already saved in numerous TW5s that are htm's? Will they transfer ok? I know I could just test it out, but I want to wait until the major refactoring is done, since that will also mean upgrading those files. And I wanted to ask anyway, to see if certain markup or tiddler types might not transfer correctly from htm to html. That is something I might not spot while upgrading unless I meticulously review every tiddler while doing so. Thanks in advance for your help. Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] TWC-help: Open tiddlers via an Iframe
Okay so I have striped down a TiddlyWiki so that it can live nice and comfortably in my sidebar, in the future I would like to do this with a number of TinyTiddlyWikis for a number of different reasons. What I'm trying to do here isn't a deal breaker for me in this but it would be super awesome if I could figure it out, but at the moment I'm not even sure where to start looking. I'd like to make special links or buttons in my TinyTiddlerWiki AKA Iframe that would open a tiddler in my main TiddlyWiki. (Open a tiddler that exists in the main wiki NOT open a tiddler from the TinyTiddlerWiki into the Main TiddlyWiki) https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_kXuWJWjnGE/Ules0pegT7I/ALQ/PUSMpdS8wZE/s1600/2013-10-11_004305.png -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC - It's Not Possible To Save Changes
Java Updates have caused this in the past, I'd suggest down grading Java back to 7u25 and seeing if that fixes the issue. On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:16:27 AM UTC-7, Cynthia Jones wrote: I realize this issue has been discussed in the past, but I could find no recent (within the last year) posts which matched my problem exactly, so I'm posting a new topic. I apologize if I've duplicated a discussion I somehow missed. I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, build 7601) and Chrome Version 30.0.1599.69 m. I've been running TWC since 2009, but hadn't made any changes to my Wiki for a very long time - at least two years. In that time, I've moved the HTML file and changed browsers, while I also hadn't been keeping up with the upgrades. I opened my Wiki today for the first time in a long time, and was required to update my Java. I got that done, and eliminated all old forms while I was at it. Once that was finished and successful, I reopened my Wiki and made some changes, then tried to save. I got the error message, It is not possible to save changes. Possible reasons include: -- your browser doesn't support saving (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari and Opera all work if properly configured) -- the path name to your TiddlyWiki file contains illegal characters --the TiddlyWiki HTML file has been moved or renamed. Investigation yielded the new form of TWC and the TiddlySaver.jar requirement, so I downloaded both and tried again. Using the empty.html file (the upgraded TWC version 2.8.1) with the TiddlySaver.jar in the same folder did not work - the file redownloads a fresh empty.html file into my original Downloads folder, and *not* the folder from which I opened the original empty.html file. Since I'm far more interested in trying to get my old Wiki to save changes, I switched back to working with that one. Even with the TiddlySaver.jar file in the same folder, it's still an old version of TWC. When I try the Upgrade option from the backstage menu on a fresh opening with no changes made, I receive the error message, There was a problem saving the backup file. There is no further explanation for that error. At this point, I am unable to upgrade or save changes to my existing Wiki. I know absolutely no programming code and had been learning to use TWC as I went, but it's been quite some time and I haven't been able to find any place to specify the directory to save in, or the file path. If some kind soul knows how I can get this solved and is willing to share, I will be forever grateful! Thank you for your time! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC Strange lag caused by strange characters
But the size of the tiddler doesn't have anything to do with it. If I delete the StrangeThings tiddler save and reload all the lag clears up on the TryTypingHere tiddler. It dose seem to only effect Firefox now that I look at it in other browsers. So this is a special Firefox related one where if the given characters are present in the document anywhere it'll cause lag on larger tiddlers. Which seems to be true for a number of Firefox versions. It's a very odd bug/issue that I imagine very few people will run into, and it may very well be one that is specific to Windows 7 x64 + Firefox or maybe only even portable Firefoxes for that matter. XD As keywords to make this thread easier to find for anyone who might have this issue in the future with these characters: Slow typing lagging typing delayed typing in long tiddlers due to special characters in firefox On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 5:16:49 AM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Hi Arc, As far as I can see, it's got nothing to do with the type of characters and all to do with the lenght of the tiddler. Not sure if it's the browser that chickens out or some code in TiddlyWiki tat perhaps should not be there. At least, you don't have a life preview which could've been the problem. Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Hierarchy structure on tags
You may also look at: http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html#TagsTreePlugin On Monday, October 7, 2013 12:50:30 PM UTC-7, Yaron Hadad wrote: Hey there, I'm trying to set up a TiddlyWiki with hierarchy structure on tags. As an example to what I have in mind, take a look at: http://deferentialgeometry.org/ on the left side of the screen (under 'Contents'). Also, how did he separate this 'Contents' menu (w/ hierarchy) from the 'Tags' menu (w/o hierarchy)? Would greatly appreciate your help! Cheers - Yaron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] ListFiltrPlugin like plugin for tables?
I was playing with http://listfiltr.tiddlyspace.com/ and was wondering if such an awesome tool might exist somewhere for tables as well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC Strange lag caused by strange characters
Well... I'm not sure when I copy and past them that site says they are: U+00E2 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX character (#x00E2;) U+0080 control character (#x0080;) U+0089 control character (#x0089;) U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN character (#x00AD;) But when I use the codes above they show up as: ‰, €, â, ¬ Which are not what seems to really be in the tiddler If that's what they actually were it would make sense given what they are from. I can't find the site I got my list from but pretty much I was doing something where I needed to write a small amount of Latin so I simply copied and pasted a Latin character chart into a tiddler so I could just keep it open and copy and past the characters I needed. On another conversion site it says they are Zero-width space, Hair-space, Thin-space, Left-to-right mark But when I hand type the codes for any of the above the lagging doesn't happen So at this point I'm inclined to believe they may not be any of the above and are being miss converted... On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:31:26 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Hi Arc, But the size of the tiddler doesn't have anything to do with it. If I delete the StrangeThings tiddler save and reload all the lag clears up on the TryTypingHere tiddler. Ok, seems you're right about that. I didn't quite get the purpose of StrangeThings, but I guess now I do. Try to copy the seemingly empty contents of StrangeThings and paste here... http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/unicode-decoder/character-identifier And then tell me where all those characters come from. It dose seem to only effect Firefox now that I look at it in other browsers. So this is a special Firefox related one where if the given characters are present in the document anywhere it'll cause lag on larger tiddlers. Which seems to be true for a number of Firefox versions. Here is what I get *SLOW* Firefox (portable, latest) Chrome latest IE 10 *RESPONSIVE* Opera Safari (with utterly annoying Java warnings) It's a very odd bug/issue that I imagine very few people will run into, and it may very well be one that is specific to Windows 7 x64 + Firefox or maybe only even portable Firefoxes for that matter. XD Strange things indeed. Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 SVG with text
I'd like to add that this SVG doesn't render the text in TWC either if the http://www.tiddlytools.com/#HTMLFormattingPlugin is active. On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:59:26 AM UTC-7, Antonio Vargas wrote: This SVG does not render correctly in TW5 despite of running perfectly on a basic html page. I can see the rectangle but not the text. Is this a bug ? svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; width=250 height=35 rect x=0 y=0 width=250 height=35 style=fill: none; stroke: black;/ text x=10 y=30 fill=greenHello World!/text /svg AMFVargas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 SVG with text
Looking awesome! One tiny note though: Because of Eric's EULA for his plugins (Providing it hasn't changed over the years) you do actually have to change the name of the plugin... I suggest something like HTMLFormattingPluginSVGfix or something of the like, so it's obvious why you would use it over the original. On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:22:35 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Did some testing... http://tbdev.tiddlyspace.com/#SVG and created a fixed version of... http://tbdev.tiddlyspace.com/#HTMLFormattingPlugin ...which prevents creating stuff when inside svg. Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] PreviewPlugin Help
Plugin: http://www.tiddlytools.com/#PreviewPlugin I've been using the PreviewPlugin for a long time now and like using it extensively and one thing that has really been bothering the last while is having to keep scrolling around to what I'm working on. When dealing with really long tiddlers 5,000~35,000 words it can be quite a lot of work especially when you are changing dozens of things around the entire tiddler. Is there anyway to add an Auto-scroll to the newest change in the preview? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: PreviewPlugin Help
Could be interesting but I have to leave here at 3 sharp for an appointment at 3:15 today... Though I'm not sure I could even do a Google hang out anyway even if I was around since to my understanding they are video based and I'm on rural internet... AKA: ping of 180~200ms and an average DL/UL of about 75kb/ps though today it's been closer to 50kb/ps which most of the time isn't even enough to steam Internet Radio XD On Thursday, October 3, 2013 2:05:03 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote: On Thursday, October 3, 2013 1:36:41 PM UTC-7, Arc Acorn wrote: Plugin: http://www.tiddlytools.com/#PreviewPlugin I've been using the PreviewPlugin for a long time now and like using it extensively and one thing that has really been bothering the last while is having to keep scrolling around to what I'm working on. When dealing with really long tiddlers 5,000~35,000 words it can be quite a lot of work especially when you are changing dozens of things around the entire tiddler. Is there anyway to add an Auto-scroll to the newest change in the preview? Finding the right place to scroll to can be difficult (sometimes impossible!). Even if we can't auto-scroll consistently, perhaps there is a way to improve the work flow anyway. If you can attend today's TWClassic Clinic (3pm Pacific Time), we can dig into this and see what alternatives we might figure out. -e -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Need Guide to make TW work again
Here's my issue with the idea of saying oh we have tiddlywiki.orghttp://tiddlywiki.org/#Contribute and ...etc and just calling it good. I have worked in tech support for a long time unless these places become linked in super noticeable places in every version of TiddlyWiki a lot of people are going to wander around until they find this group and than they are going to ask their questions with out searching much at all. As long as the group/board major meeting place is getting all the traffic and staying at all the top spots on Search engines it's just not going to work. Next in the case of this conversion we have a good long term member giving miss-information because he probably simply didn't see the topic about it flash by for the small amount of time it was in the top spots compared to how long the issue posts where in the top spots. So once again unless the help website is super easy to find and get to directly from TiddlyWiki it's self so it is the definitive first stop and is kept up-to-date with all happenings as they happen, you still have a good chance of what just happened here since old members are not likely to go read the help site to answer a question they are pretty sure they know the answer to of the top of their heads. What I've learned from experience is many users turn to the most active forum/bbs/ect first often before even consulting help websites or documentation, and when you sticky clear well marked answer to a common question in well named sections it largely and often entirely drys up, on the other hand if you put it in big bright letters in a section right in-front of help site or documentation you still get plenty of people asking about it in the forum/bbs... until you make a sticky post about it saying you can find the answer on the first page of the documentation. On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:14:19 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2013 9:32:06 AM UTC+2, G.J.Robert wrote: Arc Acorn於 2013年9月23日星期一UTC+8下午2時09分48秒寫道： - If you are bound to FF 17 ESR you'll need TiddlyFox alpha 3 [3] - If you are lucky your IT may update to 24 soon, since it is the latest ESR ... We really need a system where we can sticky info... According to: http://tiddlywiki.org/#Contribute It seems that everyone can become an editor of TiddlyWiki.org. So I guess we can apply here and someone will kindly put us in. It may be like a manual registration process... As a tiddlyspace member. If you go to http://tiddlywiki.tiddlyspace.com/you should be able to create new content and modify existing content. ... but you are not able to delete a tiddler. So be sure you give a propper name to new tiddlers as you want to save them :) -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Problem with Icedtea plugin
If I understand what I found in a quick search right Icedtea plugin is a version of OpenJDK in other words it's your Java platform and it was recently updated the 20th of this month, which means when you gave it permission to run you where giving it permission to update, so it is highly likely that the update may not be compatible with the current save helper .jar used by tiddlywiki. My best guess on first steps to figuring things out is to try downgrading/reverting and see if it fixes the issue. I don't use Ubuntu so I can't really say how to do this, generally on a Linux distro you will simply uninstall the software and than grab the version you want/need from a repo and take the needed steps depending on your distro. On Monday, September 23, 2013 3:53:36 PM UTC-7, Sumeet K wrote: Hi, My tiddlywiki was working fine until last week. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04, and whenever I launch tiddlywiki, it asks me for permission to run Icedtea plugin. Today, after granting permission to Icedtea, my tiddlywiki freezes if I click either edit, or close on a tiddler. When I do not grant permission, tiddlywiki works fine, but then I can't save any edits. When I use the link http://java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp to test if my icedtea is working, I get Your java is working. Your Java configuration is as follows: Vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc. Version: Java SE 6 Update 24 Operating System: Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae Java Architecture: 32-bit Any idea what could be wrong? Thanks, Sumeet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Need Guide to make TW work again
- If you are bound to FF 17 ESR you'll need TiddlyFox alpha 3 [3] - If you are lucky your IT may update to 24 soon, since it is the latest ESR ... We really need a system where we can sticky info... TiddlyFox Alpha 18 works fine with ESR 17 it was TiddlyFox Alpha 17 that was the issue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Repeatable Abend on TiddlyWiki
Sorry I am not in a position to share the tiddlywiki because it contains my whole life (or there abouts). That is why I asked if you would do a core + things tagged systemConfig export as you wouldn't be sharing any personal information unless you have personal things tagged systemConfig which could very well be the problem than. XD I don't use the same sites/services as you have listed which may be the issue... It very well could be another website/service/addon causing the issue the first thing I'd say you should try is running TWc In it's own personal Fresh Portable Firefox doing everything else in a different Firefox/browser and see if it still happens. Than if it doesn't happen for a long while than start adding your normal websites back in one at a time until it happens, once you find the site that is causing the issue you may be able to fix it, or report it to someone who can. On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:41:19 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: Arc Acorns et all, Sorry I am not in a position to share the tiddlywiki because it contains my whole life (or there abouts). HOWEVER - I think I have identified the fault if not the source. I am no longer receiving abends by making sure tiddlywiki is almost the only tab running in FireFox. It seems somehow there is a memory error that is either caused by or exacerbated by one of the other standard tabs I use, often as Pinned Tabs. I do not know which but the ones I used, used to use includes Google - Gmail, Calendar, Groups, Yammer, a wordpress.com site, ToodleDo.com, Twitter, Facebook, tumblr or a subset there of. The impression I get however is tiddlywiki may have a memory leak of some kind running in FireFox which is not handled well by FireFox and is exacerbated by having other sites running java in another window. Thanks all for your help so far with this most frustrating of IT Problems I have faced in my 25+ year career in IT. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] TWc- Saving in Firefox ESR 17 with TiddlyFox
It's not my place to post these things but I think it needs to be said sooner rather than later: Firefox ESR 17.0.8 Dose not seem to be working with Tiddlyfox Alpha 17 which is currently the version hosted by the Monzilla add-on system. As a better workaround than reverting to alpha 3 which has UTF-8 Saving issues you may want to upgrade to alpha 18 which can be found here: https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox As far as any of my testing has shown works well with any modern version of TiddlyWiki Classic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Saving TiddlyWiki using Firefox ESR series
I just realized that I had my Tiddlyfox files miss-labeled... and instead of a17 a18 I had two copies of a18 TiddlyFox 16 and 18 All seem to work with my ESR 17.0.8 Saving issues seem to be localized toTiddlyFox a17 which is the current version in Firefox's Add-on system, my subgestion is to use a18 or a16 instead of a3 which can be found here: https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] TWc - NOTICE Please Read if you are have saving issues in Firefox ESR 17
It's not my place to post these things but I think it needs to be said sooner rather than later in a noticeable way: (I really wished we could sticky this somewhere until it's fixed) Firefox ESR 17.0.8 Dose not seem to be working with Tiddlyfox Alpha 17 which is currently the version hosted by the Monzilla add-on system. As a better workaround than reverting to alpha 3 which may damage your wiki due to old bugs you may want to upgrade to alpha 18 which can be found here: https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox As far as any of my testing has shown it works well with any modern version of TiddlyWiki Classic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Separation can be a very good thing.
This seems like an appropriate place to say this: Can we please at least get something on TW5 that clearly states upfront that it is not backward comparable with virtually anything made for TWc? As more and more people use it and start looking to do things they are going to wander by tons of TWc stuff and those less techy one's will likely find it very frustrating that they can't figure out why things don't work. That way if we are really going to keep things in the state they are we can clear up at least some headache for new users by at the very least making it *very clear* that things made in the past for *TiddlyWiki *are incompatible and than be very vigilant about making sure anything that is compatible for TW5 is clearly marked so that new people *know *that if they don't see Only for use with TW5, For use with...etc that it is TWc related and has a very low likelihood of being relevant to TW5. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Saving TiddlyWiki using Firefox ESR series
to check your tiddlywiki version system use the macro version in any standard tiddler and it will render the current version number, you can also check the top of the HTML file in a text editor if for some reason the macro fails or you just don't feel like using it. I could not find a copy of Tiddlyfox Alpha3 as the github repo only goes back to Alpha6 However I was still able to gather some interesting info: Using Firefox Esr 17 + Tiddlyfox a18 TWc - 2.8.x - Saved TWc - 2.7.x - Saved TWc - 2.6.x - Saved TWc - 2.5.x - Saved TWc - 2.4.x - Failed TWc - 2.3.x - Failed TWc - 2.2.x - Failed TWc - 2.1.x - Failed + Tiddlyfox a6 ... TWc - 2.4.x - Saved TWc - 2.3.x - Saved TWc - 2.2.x - Failed TWc - 2.1.x - Failed Reverting to Tiddlyfox a6 did indeed make saving in 2.4 and 2.3 possible. However worth noting is that my tests were done with 2.6.5 as it's the latest 2.6.x available in the archive: http://tiddlywiki.com/archive/ However it's worth keeping in mind that early Tiddlyfox versions may cause damage to non-standard characters in your TW save files. (I can't recall off the top of my head which version it was fixed in...) Thanks for the quick reply Arc Acorn. I think I'm running TiddlyWiki 2.6.6 - How do I confirm this? I've now regressed to TiddlyFox 1.0alpha3 and can now save successfully. So is it - For the 17 esr series and FireFox 21 and under to use TiddlyFox 1.0alpha3 For standard FireFox 22 and greater to use TiddlyFox 1.0alpha17 Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Saving TiddlyWiki using Firefox ESR series
Interesting but not really useful stuff I learned: TWc 2.3.x Doesn't save with Tiddlyfox a3 but is savable with Tiddlyfox a6-a8 and than becomes un-saveable again. As far as I can tell Firefox ESR17 + Tiddlyfox a3 18 Both seem to be able to save TW 2.5.x-2.8.x Which are the major versions used. Really only 2.4.x 2.3.x seemed to be special, and 2.2.x - First did not work with any TiddlyFox so in order to use a modern firefox you would have to re-enable the privilegemanager or use FF15 or earlier... of course I've never seen anyone using those versions... Or well with empty TWc, and a fresh copy of ESR 17, Firefox does have many odd security prefs and some of which wouldn't surprise me in the least if they could break random things like this which is why I recommended checking on a fresh profile or a portable copy just to make sure. On Friday, September 6, 2013 3:01:36 PM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote: Hi Arc, I could not find a copy of Tiddlyfox Alpha3 as the github repo only goes back to Alpha6 However I was still able to gather some interesting info: Does this work... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/tiddlyfox/versions ? Cheers, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Saving TiddlyWiki using Firefox ESR series
I just tested with a fresh install 17.0.8esr + TiddlyFox v18 + Empty 2.8.1 and 2.7.2 both saved just fine So my suggestions would be. - Check Firefox addons making sure you don't have anything strange that might be causing issues. (I've never ran into anything like that but Firefox addons are vast and I'm far from using them all.) - Make a new fresh Firefox profile and see if it saves (If it dose that means there's probably something wrong with your profile settings.) Outside of that I'm not sure of anything else given that it sounds like you can save in Firefox 23 so it's not likely to be system or TW related... On Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:59:32 PM UTC-7, aikem...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi All I've started to get problems saving my TiddlyWiki. Get this message It's not possible to save changes. Possible reasons include: - your browser doesn't support saving (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari and Opera all work if properly configured) - the pathname to your TiddlyWiki file contains illegal characters - the TiddlyWiki HTML file has been moved or renamed I've got the Addon TiddlyFox installed. I last successfully saved it on 1st August 2013 using FireFox 21. Because of other reasons I've reverted to FireFox esr 17 series. Currently on 17.0.8esr, same problem with 17.0.7esr. I've proved that Firefox 23.0.1 saves the TiddlyWiki successfully. So the problem looks like with the esr series. Any suggestions? Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: TWC survey to help TW5
*1) What are your favorite features of TiddlyWiki – Classic?* ● Custom fields ● Easy customization of CSS, view, edit page templates ● Easy and fast editing of nearly any aspect of the system ● Local saving directly to disk single files with backups ● Fast searching on very large files ● Copy/past install of plug-ins + Easy modifcation of plugins ● The aviablity of highly useful plug-ins ● Ease of transport and shareablity ● No needed server software *2) What plug-ins (if any) do you consider essential for TiddlyWiki – Classic?* ● FieldsEditorPlugin ● GotoPlugin ● HTMLFormattingPlugin ● InlineJavascriptPlugin ● RevisionsPlugin ● SearchOptionsPlugin ● SectionLinksPlugin ● TableOfContentsPlugin ● TaggedTemplateTweak ● TiddlersBarPlugin ● TreeviewPlugin *2.5) What plug-ins (if any) would you rather not be without?* ● CheckboxPlugin ● DiscussionPlugin ● IntelliTaggerPlugin ● QuickEditPlugin ● RelatedTiddlersPlugin ● ThemedTiddlerPlugin ● UndoPlugin ● WhatLinksHerePlugin *3) Can you give a brief example of how you use TiddlyWiki – Classic?* Personal database, Book/writing management, Creative book publishing, Teaching aid, Manuals, mock-ups, General notebooks Personal journal. *4) What software (if any) did you try before deciding on TiddlyWiki – Classic and if possible can you give a brief summery of why you chose to use TiddlyWiki – Classic over them?* RedNotebook, Zim, wikidPad, Mars Notebook, BasKet, NixNote, MyLifeOrganized, myBase, Cherrytree, The Guide, Wiki on a Stick, MyTetra, Book on a Stick, DokuWiki, MediaWiki, Wikia, XWiki, BoltWiki, Twiki TWc is fast responsive and easy to customize. Well many of the dedicated program wiki such as “The Guide” have extensive feature lists and easy useability they offer virtually no interface customizability and no good way to do core feature editing. Full server wikies offer great customizability however are much slower and often require editing many files to get the results you can do easily with TWc all within TWc its self; They also lack the same level of portability found in TWc and dedicated program wikies (Though they can be made very close with the right extra software [eg:Sever2go].) *5) What have you been unable to do with TiddlyWiki – Classic that you really wished you could?* Separate system/plugin/utilitiy tags (Revision, exclude*, Tree position tags, Theme tags..etc. ) from users/content relative tags. *6) If you could change anything about TiddlyWiki – Classic what would it be?* I can’t think of anything at the moment I am pretty content with TWc outside of not always being able to use other Javascript libraries as intended compared to working on static or PHP/SQL driven wikis however that seems to simply be the nature of the beast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Separation can be a very good thing.
2) We plan a migration away from Google Groups: a) TiddlyWikiDev could migrate to StackOverflow; several other open source projects use it in that way b) The main TiddlyWiki group could migrate to a homegrown TiddlyWeb+TiddlyWiki5 host I would like to vote for a move to a normal forum or BBS system. The more I think about it the more sense it makes for a project like TWC/5 to be on a real forum. #1 You can easily segregated Classic and Five #2 We would *finally *have a central place to share things like themes, plugins, scripts...etc that any one could add to. #3 We can Pin topics in different threads, we get a ton of repeat support questions here that could be fixed very easily in a forum. #4 If cost or ease of sign-up is the real issue we don't their are free-ad support BBSs out there and many of them any nearly everyone of the self hosted ones support Google, Facebook, Twitter, (Other open sign in accounts) to be used. #5 It would be quick and easy to setup compared to any of the other options and is really a standard for projects/communities of this type. #6 All the current Goolge groups could be merged into a single forum under Dev, Community, Variants like GTD..etc everything in one place! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Separation can be a very good thing.
I'd like to +1 the idea as well. Though I do wonder given how different TW5 is from TWc if really it wouldn't be better to rename it. (It is after all still early on in it's development and many programs start out with code names and than move on to their real names when they leave the early stages and start coming into their own.) I see PMario's points, though at the same time I find myself wondering why something that is really not an upgrade nor replacement to it's predecessor is carrying on it's name. Just from the people I know in the real world who don't track this group but use TWc due to me giving them copies, when I first bring up TW5 I'm often meet with a lot of excitement because they think TidilyWiki the program they knew and love is getting a major update, and than as they learn more about and get a chance to use it they get rather depressed since for many of them the foreseeable TW5 won't be able to replace TWc for a long time, if ever. With that I think having such different programs with the same name is hurting the brand and may even be hurting TW5 itself as people go into it with expectations that are not going to be meet. To give an analogy I'd say it's like walking into a brand new department store building expecting a department store and instead you find yourself in a grocery store. Which to me seems like a bad thing in a lot of ways because in my experience people than get depressed or some even feel betrayed that it's not what they thought or was lead to believe it was and than simply walk away with no intention of ever giving it a chance. Whereas if it was something entirely new they would be more willing to look at it as something new and think of ways to use it rather than disregarding it as false advertising. Anyway that's just me 2¢ which in the modern day you can't even buy a gumball for that so it can't be worth much. XD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [tw] Re: Separation can be a very good thing.
That's not really what I meant ^-^; Sure I'll admit TW5 is rather iffy to me since it just isn't something I personally see myself using, but me and the people I know are just a small number of use cases we are after all writers and system IT types who really like how easy it is to get TWc looking and feeling just how we want it and adding new things very easily, even doing core modification right in a text editor when needed and being able to pass things around between us physically. We really use them as highly personalized notebooks and personal databases. One way of putting it is that I personally feel that TW5 is targeted at either being a very basic setup ready out of the box or straight to rather high level power users. Where as TWc has many things that makes it ideal for the middle ground people and early power users and is a lot of fun for us to play around with and make our own. Straight out of the box TWc is a pretty blank slate to be played with and it is easy to tweak and turn into nearly anything you need, which can make it hard for really early users who don't know HTML/CSS and basic JavaScript but once you learn a little of them you can do really awesome things. I've even used it as a tool to teach a couple of young kids the basics of HTML/CSS and what I know about JavaScript since its a wonderful playground for teaching things. Where as TW5 is once again just entirely different it's not as fun for early and middle level people to tinker with IMO of course. In the end: TWc seems like the ultimate notebook! and personal Swiss army knife. TW5 seems like an IT's tool. So really I'm not saying people don't want it, nor am I saying it's not worth building, I was just saying that in my experiences that they seem like such different programs that keeping them named so closely seems kind of dangerous and a tad miss-leading, which could lead to a good deal of unneeded confusion for the lighter users along with hurting TWc in terms of new users coming in as they will inherently be drawn to TW5 because of it's name and potently miss out on finding a great gem in the history of personal wikis. On Monday, September 2, 2013 11:22:46 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote: So maybe I should just stop working on TW5 if it's not what people want? Best wishes Jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: Separation can be a very good thing.
I'm not really into having massively long debates which is why I usually stay out of feedback related things. Though I will argue a few points: My main argument is: TW5 is up and coming and new so why would you change the name of an old program/project so a new one can have the old ones name? TW5 = HTML5+Node.js based tiddler driven Wiki (A completely new code base and system from the ground up) Where as it's name when read by anyone new or who hasn't been around for while sounds like TiddlyWiki 5 (Which in nearly everyone I have ever told about it who doesn't keep track of things automatically thinks awesome! new major version of TiddlyWiki... Though I don't remember versions 3 and 4... I most have missed them.) * Search engines can't handle its output. * Design decisions (in code and CSS) made in 2004, just don't fit the modern web anymore. * Since version 2.6.6 we are only dealing with problems caused by increaded browser security restrictions. These are all valid points however let me ask this, what dose TW5 do for the large number of people who don't care about their TWs being on the web or editing them online? Many of the people I have seen attracted to TW are attracted to it because it can be used entirely offline and doesn't require any special hosting software to use it at its fullest (Cough Node.js) like other wikis, but still lets you heavily customize the interface and core unlike other options such as WikiPad or The Red Notebook If you use TWc with portable Firefox you can take it with you anywhere and use it on nearly any windows system without having to do anything else just as if it was any other portable no nonsense program. * The basic concept of TW is, that it is a self contained wiki. To me TW5 is not self contained as most of it's best features require Node.js and well you can easily carry around a static version and give it out it is not easy at all to give people a full copy of your original full featured when it's a node.js app, especially if they are none techy people. TW5 is at it's core a Node.js app that *can *be used as a self contained wiki, it is not at it's core a fully self contained system in the way that TWc is. (I will admit modern web browsers have made it less fully self contained and ultra portable but it can still largely be used in the same ways.) * The smallest unit in this wiki are tiddlers I feel weird nit picking this but it doesn't sound quite right... As it doesn't seem technically true for either TWc nor TW5 as you said yourself you can transclud blocks and slices of things though out the wiki which would make blocks and slices the smallest unit of the wiki. (Not that I'm saying they are not both tiddler driven but if we are going to diverge into technicalities...) * The big strength of TW is transclusions This is subjective, for most the people I know in person the big strength to TW is easily being able to customize the templates, and the ease and simplicity of the plugin system. (In what other wiki can you copy and past a plug-in into a page tag it system-config and have it work? Let alone even be able to modify core functionality.) TW5 is nightmarish to do extensive visual modifications to compared to the power and simplicity of the template systems in TWc especially when you start using the various plugins that allow for different view and edit mode templates to be used on things based on tag or field data. I'm pretty sure TW5 can replace many TW2 installations out of the box. Just it doesn't need that many 3rd party plugins, because the core is able to handle much more requirements. I'm pretty sure DokuWiki can replace just as many TW2 *installations* as well, I however don't think we should marge the two programs by name and community because they may be able to be used to replace one another in some use cases. Like any complex/active program it is possible that TW5 will one day become a real replacement in every possible way for TWc but it is also just as likely that it will go down an entirely different path as development goes on and never be a replacement for TWc for many people. At the end of the post all I am saying, is to save a lot of confusion for no real reason it would make sense to give a new program based on a completely new code base and largely new features and syntax a new name, rather than giving it an old still very useful programs (that is not really being replaced) name. Just because someone buys a new kitten doesn't mean they should rename the old pussy cat just so the kitten can have the more popular name. On Monday, September 2, 2013 2:12:48 PM UTC-7, PMario wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2013 8:20:14 PM UTC+2, Arc Acorn wrote: Though I do wonder given how different TW5 is from TWc if really it wouldn't be better to rename it. (It is after all still early on in it's development and many programs start out with code names and than move
[tw] TWC survey to help TW5
I've seen many talks about wanting feedback around the group and the Dev group, but I've never actually seen a true call for it. Therefore this is my attempt to help collect real feedback from the users (or at least the small sample of users around here) about why they use and love TWC so that it my help bring a bright future for TW5. In order to make this a nice safe place to leave feedback please only leave survey replies here not critiques regarding any one’s answers to the survey questions. --Survey Start--- 1) What are your favorite features of TiddlyWiki – Classic? 2.) What plug-ins (if any) do you consider essential for TiddlyWiki – Classic? 2.5.) What plug-ins (if any) would you rather not be without? 3.) Can you give a brief example of how you use TiddlyWiki – Classic? 4.) What software (if any) did you try before deciding on TiddlyWiki – Classic and if possible can you give a brief summery of why you chose to use TiddlyWiki – Classic over them? 5.) What have you been unable to do with TiddlyWiki – Classic that you really wished you could? 6.) If you could change anything about TiddlyWiki – Classic what would it be? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[tw] Re: some newbie questions
Poorly my opinion others will vary: 1) TW5 vs TWclassic depends on what you are doing and how you like doing it (In other words a very personnel question; TW5 is not a real upgrade/replacement to TWc IMO and to me is not a viable option for anything I do; Personally I use DokuWiki (Hosted or On a Stick) for anything I would consider TW5 for as it stands.) 2) Depends on your setup but with a modern computer probably not. I use TWc for book writing and as it stands I have one TWc that holds a 500,000 word book and around 3,000,000+ words worth of organized notes, roughs, outlines...etc and have no issue with any slow down what so ever. I have also done a lot of stress testing and have bloated TWc files beyond 1GB with no noticeable slow down on loads, edits or saves (Locally) If you tried to host it online that could be a very different story. I use TWc for local and offline stuff only. It is however worth noting I do use a pretty powerful computer setup intended for handling other types of very large files. 3) The only place I *knew *of that people could find a lot of ready made theme was TiddlyThemeshttps://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywikidev/theme/tiddlywikidev/uB-Tw4AxBhI/dGB8JAkqF0QJ looking at it though the site seems to be no more... You may try stating what you would like here on the group and seeing if anybody has something close to what you are looking for. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 4:34:29 AM UTC-7, adil wrote: Hi, I'm trying to find an app to manage some notes, etc. and discovered TW. I have some questions that will help me decide to adopt it: 1) I see the TW5 is being developed. Should I wait a little bit so that it's complete and start with TW5 instead of the current version? Or is TW5 currently usable. 2) Since AFAIK TW stores everything in one file, will things get annoyingly slow as the size of information in there grows? Say you're writing a book and have notes that amount to about several hundred pages (on a regular print book). Would that become an unmanageable, really slow file? 3) The original empty TW file offered on the website doesn't have a great look. I found some themes but I'm not sure if just saving them in firefox (save as ... (complete page / HTML / etc.?) will work. How do I find and download nice themes (I know I can customize but have no CSS/PHP/HTML knowledge and am willing to just adopt any decent looking theme). Many thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
