[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Ciao amigo,

WOW! Now* I *am in heaven :–)
Thank you very much indeed for this well thought and well balanced feedback!

Of course not too much to read, but much to digest and work for months. 
Great stuff and great to see that we two think in the same box. 

What I like extremely well about your comments is that you describe your 
use cases, offer solutions and even mention things that allready work well 
or can be left to the user. Really much apreciated!

I will consider every word in your list and come back with thougts or 
improvements when I am ready.

Overwhelmed regards
Thomas


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao

Round Two! :-)

I'm immensely enjoying using your ToDoNow. Over the last several days I 
have been using it constantly (the version from "hacks" with rich sorting). 
I have comments that I hope you may find relevant.

*PRIORITY ISSUES*: This is what I have most to comments on...

*A - Setting Priority*

   1. In Priority Sort Order...
   2. ... I click to change the priority (toggle order = 3 -> 2, 2 -> 1, 1 
   -> 3) but on just ONE CLICK the item IMMEDIATELY MOVES to its new 
   position... 
   3. ...BUT that is NOT what I want in all cases...
   4. ...SO I have to browse down or filter and locate the item again and 
   click it again. 
   5. The longer the list gets the more awkward this gets.

I suggest ... *Priority Setting Change is done through a simple single 
entry box that allows you to enter ONE CHARACTER* to set priority (also see 
next on using letters, as well as numbers).


*B - Priority Flexibility*


I noticed that when editing a ToDo Tiddler you can set the priority field 
to ANYTHING. In MY usage that is GOOD. Why? ...

   - By giving a SINGLE LETTER to the Priority field to some items I can 
   track things that are NOT part of Projects but which I do need to pay 
   attention to and have deadlines for. Using single letters lets me keep them 
   together.
   

   - Also, by having NOTHING in the Priority field I am able to keep at the 
   top a few "Master Notes". These are NOT themselves priorities, they are not 
   tasks. They are instructions to myself about HOW to co-ordinate what I am 
   doing. Seeing them first in the list is very useful.
   
*FYI, in addition to 1,2,3, I'm using ...*

[Empty] = Important notes to self.
B = Birthday.
L = Long Date (e.g. renewal dates for contracts, or when Tax is due. These 
are NOT projects but GREAT to have them listed in context.)
P = Project. For when I'm developing project ideas, but the Project has not 
gone live yet.
U = Unassigned. Anything else I'd like to have note of.

*NOTES ON APPEARANCE*: The whole thing is very elegant already. But a few 
comments ...

   - In your notes you mention that the calendar might be replaced with a 
   STOPWATCH. For my usage I think that is a good idea: (1) it looks neater; 
   (2) it expresses the purpose better, as these are DEADLINES.


   - I think the ORDER of the ICONS might be improved like this ...


   1. Calendar / Stopwatch
   2. Priority
   3. Move to ToDoNow (the "up" chevron)
   4. Edit
   5. Ellipsis 
   

   - I DON'T think you need the word "Project:" next to the dropdown. The 
   filter explains itself because of its location.
   
*ARCHIVING*: You mention in your notes that to do lists get unwieldy unless 
you have an easy way to move stuff OFF them. I agree. A few comments...

   - In the ToDoDone section an icon (a "down" chevron?) that re-tags the 
   Tiddler "*ToDoPast*" that moves it off the main Tiddler. 
   - Create a listing Tiddler for "ToDoPast" of a similar visual layout, 
   but NOT to have the complexity of the main Tiddler. 
   - I would NOT need any sort options or filters or anything like that. 
   The ORDER could be the MODIFIED DATE the item entered ToDoDone (maybe that 
   is difficult? Since to move it to "ToDoPast" you have to change the tag & 
   that changes the date? I'm not clear how that works).
   - A simple SEARCH filter. NO other filters. 
   - I suggest it might have ONLY the following ICONS ...


   1. Move back to ToDo (an "up" chevron)
   2. DELETE

The point is that real use in always through the ToDoNow Main Tiddler and 
you need to move things back there if you are seriously working on them 
again.


*REPORTING*: This is an aspect that I'm still unclear on. I have some 
observations/early thoughts... Probably slightly confusing. Ask if anything 
in here I need to make clearer ...


*Report Thoughts, A*

   - In the example report Tiddler you give on your "hacks" TW you filter 
   on "Last x Days". *That seems intuitively right to me for active work. *
   

   - Reporting can get extremely complicated. But given what TW can do more 
   complex, "bespoke", lists, complex reporting can be left to users to do for 
   themselves ...


   - ... for instance, in MY USE CASE, I already put together different 
   kinds of reports that include transclusions of checklist Tiddlers, not just 
   re-presenting the ToDoNow listings. 
   

   - *SO. As far as I can see, filtering for "Last x Days" gives a good 
   enough general report. Anything beyond that I need to craft myself.*
   
*Report Thoughts, B*

   - More than the reporting scope, I got interested in the PRESENTATION. 
   This is because, in my case, I need to produce neat PRINTED reports.


   - *It struck me that the layout is more or less ideal already*. SO, I 
   have a suggestion ...


   1. Rather than have a separate reporting Tiddler ..
   2. ... have the "Last x Days Report" filter be available on the main 
   Tiddler ...
   3. ... WHEN it has any value entered in it, it would (I do NOT 

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[kelsang sherab]

It works!
Many thanks!
I enjoy working with it!!!


On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 7:45:33 PM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi sherab
>
> Good you included the plugin list! My tododow plugin ist missing. See step 
> A2 of the installation instructions: 
>
> First *back up* your TiddlyWiki (TW). – Then drag these plugins to your 
> TW:
>
>- $:/plugins/telmiger/todonow 
>
>- $:/plugins/telmiger/listreveal 
>
>
> After you have installed this, you should be ready to go. Use the green 
> button with the plus sign on it to create a new task.
>
> Good luck!
> Thomas
>
> 2017-01-25 19:02 GMT+01:00 kelsang sherab  >:
>
>> Hi Thomas
>> Thank you for your kind and helpful reply.
>> So now every time i click the empty.html[TW] I get indeed a ToDoNow 
>> tiddler opening.
>> When pressing the edit button[pen] an empty text box opens.
>> is there a special manner of writing in the text that i need to do or am 
>> I missing an obvious trick?
>> I have the following 5 plugins in my list of plugins:
>>
>> - TiddlyWiki5core
>> - moments.js plugin for TW5
>> - listreveal
>> - Datepicker plugin for TW5
>> - Checklist plugin
>>
>> thank you 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 4:19:45 PM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi kelsang sherab
>>>
>>> Not silly at all, this is valuable feedback for me and shows where I 
>>> will have to improve the documentation!
>>>
>>> Following the installation instructions you could:
>>>
>>> B. Set Defaults
>>>
>>>- Set *ToDoNow * as default 
>>>tiddler in $:/ControlPanel 
>>> on the *info* 
>>>tab.
>>>
>>> This means, you click the toothed wheel icon below the title of your 
>>> wiki to open the options in the control panel. If necessary switch to the 
>>> *info* tab. Here you can put a new line on top of the field "Default 
>>> tiddlers:" and type the name of our main tiddler there: ToDoNow
>>>
>>> Now save your wiki. When you reload again, the ToDo-List should appear 
>>> and there you will find the green button with the + which starts the 
>>> creation of a new task.
>>>
>>> Another solution would be to put a link to this tiddler in any other 
>>> tiddler you have like this: [[ToDoNow]] 
>>> Save the tiddler and click the link => same as before.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Happy do-ing,
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2017 15:13:21 UTC+1 schrieb kelsang sherab:

 Hi
 Thank you for your efforts.
 This will sound silly but : 
 I installed the plugins saved and restarted the browser - what next? 
 How do i actually add the todos ?
 Thanks ;-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi sherab

Good you included the plugin list! My tododow plugin ist missing. See step
A2 of the installation instructions:

First *back up* your TiddlyWiki (TW). – Then drag these plugins to your TW:

   - $:/plugins/telmiger/todonow
   
   - $:/plugins/telmiger/listreveal
   

After you have installed this, you should be ready to go. Use the green
button with the plus sign on it to create a new task.

Good luck!
Thomas

2017-01-25 19:02 GMT+01:00 kelsang sherab :

> Hi Thomas
> Thank you for your kind and helpful reply.
> So now every time i click the empty.html[TW] I get indeed a ToDoNow
> tiddler opening.
> When pressing the edit button[pen] an empty text box opens.
> is there a special manner of writing in the text that i need to do or am I
> missing an obvious trick?
> I have the following 5 plugins in my list of plugins:
>
> - TiddlyWiki5core
> - moments.js plugin for TW5
> - listreveal
> - Datepicker plugin for TW5
> - Checklist plugin
>
> thank you
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 4:19:45 PM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>>
>> Hi kelsang sherab
>>
>> Not silly at all, this is valuable feedback for me and shows where I will
>> have to improve the documentation!
>>
>> Following the installation instructions you could:
>>
>> B. Set Defaults
>>
>>- Set *ToDoNow * as default
>>tiddler in $:/ControlPanel
>> on the *info*
>>tab.
>>
>> This means, you click the toothed wheel icon below the title of your wiki
>> to open the options in the control panel. If necessary switch to the
>> *info* tab. Here you can put a new line on top of the field "Default
>> tiddlers:" and type the name of our main tiddler there: ToDoNow
>>
>> Now save your wiki. When you reload again, the ToDo-List should appear
>> and there you will find the green button with the + which starts the
>> creation of a new task.
>>
>> Another solution would be to put a link to this tiddler in any other
>> tiddler you have like this: [[ToDoNow]]
>> Save the tiddler and click the link => same as before.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Happy do-ing,
>> Thomas
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2017 15:13:21 UTC+1 schrieb kelsang sherab:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Thank you for your efforts.
>>> This will sound silly but :
>>> I installed the plugins saved and restarted the browser - what next? How
>>> do i actually add the todos ?
>>> Thanks ;-)
>>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[kelsang sherab]

Hi Thomas
Thank you for your kind and helpful reply.
So now every time i click the empty.html[TW] I get indeed a ToDoNow tiddler 
opening.
When pressing the edit button[pen] an empty text box opens.
is there a special manner of writing in the text that i need to do or am I 
missing an obvious trick?
I have the following 5 plugins in my list of plugins:

- TiddlyWiki5core
- moments.js plugin for TW5
- listreveal
- Datepicker plugin for TW5
- Checklist plugin

thank you 

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 4:19:45 PM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi kelsang sherab
>
> Not silly at all, this is valuable feedback for me and shows where I will 
> have to improve the documentation!
>
> Following the installation instructions you could:
>
> B. Set Defaults
>
>- Set *ToDoNow * as default 
>tiddler in $:/ControlPanel 
> on the *info* 
>tab.
>
> This means, you click the toothed wheel icon below the title of your wiki 
> to open the options in the control panel. If necessary switch to the 
> *info* tab. Here you can put a new line on top of the field "Default 
> tiddlers:" and type the name of our main tiddler there: ToDoNow
>
> Now save your wiki. When you reload again, the ToDo-List should appear and 
> there you will find the green button with the + which starts the creation 
> of a new task.
>
> Another solution would be to put a link to this tiddler in any other 
> tiddler you have like this: [[ToDoNow]] 
> Save the tiddler and click the link => same as before.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Happy do-ing,
> Thomas
>
> Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2017 15:13:21 UTC+1 schrieb kelsang sherab:
>>
>> Hi
>> Thank you for your efforts.
>> This will sound silly but : 
>> I installed the plugins saved and restarted the browser - what next? How 
>> do i actually add the todos ?
>> Thanks ;-)
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi kelsang sherab

Not silly at all, this is valuable feedback for me and shows where I will 
have to improve the documentation!

Following the installation instructions you could:

B. Set Defaults
   
   - Set *ToDoNow * as default 
   tiddler in $:/ControlPanel 
    on the *info* tab.

This means, you click the toothed wheel icon below the title of your wiki 
to open the options in the control panel. If necessary switch to the *info* 
tab. Here you can put a new line on top of the field "Default tiddlers:" 
and type the name of our main tiddler there: ToDoNow

Now save your wiki. When you reload again, the ToDo-List should appear and 
there you will find the green button with the + which starts the creation 
of a new task.

Another solution would be to put a link to this tiddler in any other 
tiddler you have like this: [[ToDoNow]] 
Save the tiddler and click the link => same as before.

Hope this helps!

Happy do-ing,
Thomas

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2017 15:13:21 UTC+1 schrieb kelsang sherab:
>
> Hi
> Thank you for your efforts.
> This will sound silly but : 
> I installed the plugins saved and restarted the browser - what next? How 
> do i actually add the todos ?
> Thanks ;-)
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[kelsang sherab]

Hi
Thank you for your efforts.
This will sound silly but : 
I installed the plugins saved and restarted the browser - what next? How do 
i actually add the todos ?
Thanks ;-)

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 9:55:04 PM UTC+2, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hello busy multi-taskers!
>
> After I spent many evenings working on this and learning a lot about 
> TiddlyWiki, I am happy to present the first beta version of my first 
> plugin(s). If you are looking for a *todo list with priorities* (and 
> optional deadlines) to increase your efficiency, this might be something 
> for you. (I use it daily now.)
>
> Everything is on http://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html – I hope my installation 
> tiddler is a help for the first steps. (Important: Remember to back up 
> first. Not important: the last, optional, line will be removed in the next 
> version.)
>
> You will need two plugins, one of them (Listreveal 
> ) 
> is not documented yet. 
>
> Plugins from other authors can be used as an option: 
>
>- to enter dates – deadlines – via date picker, You can use 
>http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ – (also this needs two plugins: 
>*datepicker* and *moments.js*).
>- to edit lists inline – tasklists with subtasks – install 
>https://grosinger.net/tw5-checklist/. 
>
>
> There are language tiddlers for German (DE and CH) and for English (GB – 
> my English is far from perfect, I know) – please feel free to create or  
> submit your own, I would be happy to add them.
>
>
> *I allready have lots of ideas for addons, improvements and fixing minor 
> bugs – but only limited time. *You can look at my ToDoNow-todo-list, 
> which will be updated occasionally and shows an example of my tool in use. 
>
>
> I know there are many other solutions around, but none of them offered 
> exactly what I wanted … so I hope there are others among you who find this 
> useful.
>
>
> Kind regards and happy doing,
>
> Thomas
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Cully

Thank you for the feedback! The answer to your second question is in the
installation instructions:
D. Further Options

   - Adapt the ToDo Item  template
   which is used for new tasks to your needs.

So there is a tiddler "ToDo Item". As it is a shadow tiddler if you have
the plugin installed, the normal search will not show it. You have to look
for it in the
Advanced Search on the shadows tab.

There will be a warning when you edit the shadow tiddler – you can ignore
this.

Your other sobject points to the fact that there is a complete lack of
marketing ;–)

When you look inside a task in the list using the "…" button on the right
you see the task’s tags, text and dates. You can edit the tags from the tag
label – using a unique feature I call context tagging (add suggested tags
based on the other tiddlers in your list).
Initially you can’t edit the text. The Edit mode enables you to edit your
task description directly in the list (using wiki markup). All tasks are
unlocked at the same time. When you hit the lock button again, a background
safe is triggered and (if you e.g. use TiddlyFox like me) all changes on
all tasks are saved.

Hope, that helps.

Happy do-ing!
Thomas

Cully  schrieb am Mi. 25. Jan. 2017 um 03:44:

> Thomas,
>
> I just had a chance to take a look at your sneak peek. Looks Great!!!
>
> Everything is very clear and easy to use. The only exception is I have yet
> to determine what the Edit\Save mode really does.
>
> Also, where do I edit the default new task? I'm sure it's documented but I
> just can't find it.
>
> Thanks for your work on this!
> Cully
>
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 2:32:44 PM UTC-5, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Ciao Josiah
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed feedback. I am optimistic that the
> next release will bring you one step closer to heaven :–)
>
> Jed’s table sorter is not applicable as we deal with lists here. Your
> other points are either implemented or on my todo list here:
> http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow (sneak peek alert!)
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
>
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Cully]

Thomas,

I just had a chance to take a look at your sneak peek. Looks Great!!!

Everything is very clear and easy to use. The only exception is I have yet 
to determine what the Edit\Save mode really does. 

Also, where do I edit the default new task? I'm sure it's documented but I 
just can't find it.

Thanks for your work on this!
Cully

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 2:32:44 PM UTC-5, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Ciao Josiah
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed feedback. I am optimistic that the 
> next release will bring you one step closer to heaven :–)
>
> Jed’s table sorter is not applicable as we deal with lists here. Your 
> other points are either implemented or on my todo list here: 
> http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow (sneak peek alert!)
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Josiah 

Guess you were playing with the version on /hacks.html – this is where I am 
working (not plugin-ified. 

The (old) plugin is only on /plugins.html

Cheers,
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas

I been Playing with your new version.* I am almost in heaven. Its GREAT! *

I will give a fuller report in a day or two.

PLEASE NOTE. I think there is a problem with the plugin implementation. I 
could not drag and drop it. I had to download your whole TW. 

When I looked under $:/ControlPanel > Plugins it did not show. Weird.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Friday, 20 January 2017 20:32:44 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Ciao Josiah
>
> Thank you very much for the detailed feedback. I am optimistic that the 
> next release will bring you one step closer to heaven :–)
>
> Jed’s table sorter is not applicable as we deal with lists here. Your 
> other points are either implemented or on my todo list here: 
> http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow (sneak peek alert!)
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Ciao Josiah

Thank you very much for the detailed feedback. I am optimistic that the 
next release will bring you one step closer to heaven :–)

Jed’s table sorter is not applicable as we deal with lists here. Your other 
points are either implemented or on my todo list here: 
http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow (sneak peek alert!)

Kind regards,
Thomas


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao again Tobias

Further to previous ...

In case its relevant, I found the example of Jed's - Sortable table macros 
 

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Josiah]

Ciao Thomas 

A footnote to my last message ...

*POSITION OF SAVE BUTTON*

I can't find any advantage in having the small save button at the base of 
the list and above it. A save button alongside the other buttons, like "+" 
that creates new tasks, or the padlock lock/unlock etc would be plenty for 
me and keeps the elegance of the layout.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Tony

Your tw5-checklist plugin is great, a perfect fit for managing minor 
subtasks in my daily life! Thank you so much for sharing this!

I have all my tasks in one list and filter them as "projects" by their 
tags. You can see an example with multiple projects and tasks here:
http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#ToDoNow 

Well, to be honest, I have separate wikis for private and work notes so 
there is no confusion about these two domains. If I had only one wiki, I 
think I would tag my tasks something like:
* work-projectA
* work-costomerB
* home-garden
* home-shopping

Happy do-ing!
Thomas


Am Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2017 21:34:59 UTC+1 schrieb Tony Grosinger:
>
> Thomas,
> It looks like there is only one ToDo list which can then have as many 
> items as you want. Is there any way to have multiple lists? For example you 
> might want a "work" list and a "home" list.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Tony Grosinger]

Thomas,
It looks like there is only one ToDo list which can then have as many items 
as you want. Is there any way to have multiple lists? For example you might 
want a "work" list and a "home" list.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Tony Grosinger]

Wow, I am so excited to see that someone else is using my tw5-checklist 
plugin. I will have to get back to working on that and fix up some of the 
bug reports and feature requests.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Cully

Thank you for the feedback and the bug report! I am happy to hear that there is 
at least one other user than me :–)

Seems I am not hiding these texts properly, just moving them out of sight. I 
never use browser windows that wide. I will have a look at the CSS. 

Another thing I am thinking over is the icon on the right: Should I use 
standard fold/unfold icons instead of "…" and a close-cross?

All the best,
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting ToDoNow – a Beta Version of my ToDo-List-Plugin

[Cully]

Thomas,

Great job on the ToDo plugin. I have been using it for a few weeks now and 
have stopped using the other ToDo list makers I have used.

I have come across a odd formatting issue I can't seem to resolve. With the 
browser at full screen and my resolution is set to 1600 x 900 all is good 
but when I go up to 1920 X 1080 I see "Set deadline" and "Uuups!" or "Do 
Now" like in the image. If I resize the browser it appears and though they 
are stationary but eventually go away.

Have any thoughts?






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