[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[Jeebus K]

This looks like a good effort, I have a different project in mind but 
similar requirements. I'm still struggling to understand how to make a 
basic plugin, however I was thinking a modification of TiddlyDesktop would 
be a good way to implement an API for local access?

I'm assuming it's open source as well.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[TonyM]

I did remove the larger folder icons, The yellow ones are generated by the 
FireFox Plugin. A plugin I imagin may fail in future FF updates. I think it 
needs to be in the Browser rather than tiddlywiki to access Windows 
Explorer.

I would love to see stronger intergration with the local computer where 
ever it comes from. The security issues can be overcome, it just needs the 
will.

Regards
Tony 

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 2:56:51 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> i wonder I it could be made into a plugin? probably not. but maybe for one 
> platform? even so ...?
>
> your thoughts?
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Another Update in this Quest
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[@TiddlyTweeter]

i wonder I it could be made into a plugin? probably not. but maybe for one 
platform? even so ...?

your thoughts?

TonyM wrote:
>
> Another Update in this Quest
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[@TiddlyTweeter]

are you using Mat's "Bubble Thing" for that flow?

its looking good. i don't think you need folders TWICE ...

josiah x

TonyM wrote:
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> Another Update in this Quest
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[TonyM]

Another Update in this Quest

I am now running a local nodeJS instance of tiddlywiki on each of my 
windows machines (and incidently my Android phone). I use windows scheduler 
to launch the nodeJS instance on startup so the server is available before 
I login. If I am logged in the variouse UNC and File or folder links are 
processed by the firefox addon "Local file system links" and will open a 
windows explorer windows on folders direct from a click in tiddlywiki. If 
browsing a folder from inside firefox I can click on a known file type and 
it opens in the app eg; Office 365 apps, if the filetype is unknown I can 
r-click > Link Addon > Open containing folder and simply pressing enter 
will launch the program or the filetype associated program.  

Using the Family tree stylesheet I have now created a simple map of Network 
locations eg;


Now combined with my aformentioned OS Command execution I am well on the 
way to making the Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki.

Regards
Tony 


On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 7:33:15 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Hi all in this wonderful community,
>
> I have only recently started to get serious with TW5 after years of 
> TiddlyWiki Classic.
>
> I just wanted to put it out there and seek your input to my current 
> project, building "Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki's", by which I 
> mean that I am using TiddlyWiki 5 instances to build and support my use of 
> the Windows desktop environment. Managing folders and their contents, 
> documenting file locations, network locations, Network devices, 
> highlighting important documents and settings, even launching applications 
> or documenting troubleshooting tips and settings. The idea includes the 
> creation of what I call Micro-sites using tiddlywiki for whatever I fancy.
>
> You could say I want to enable TiddlyWiki to become a "first class 
> citizen" when it comes to the Local operating system.
>
> *My setup*
> My preferred browser is FireFox but I use Chrome as well.
> I have a node.JS install, but also independent wikis. 
>
> Please let me know your thoughts and any inspiration you have, along with 
> plugins and tips you think may add value.
>
> *Examples so far*
>
>- Using standard TiddlyWiki external Links I can document the Web 
>admin addresses of routers, open and read text and config files.
>- Using Import, Drag and Drop I can document setting and text files 
>and more
>- From inside TiddlyWiki or the Browser session, I can browse the file 
>system, open file and network locations in Windows Explorer, and Microsoft 
>Office application documents (any registered file types from inside 
> FireFox.
>   - Using the FireFox "Local File System Links" Add-on/extension, 
>   With the execute files option checked (not wise browsing the internet) 
>   - I can launch native applications
>  - Launch batches, and Presumably power-shell scripts
>  
> *Some things I would like to do,*
>
>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>- Build a open tasks related apps menu
>- Nice Graphical application launcher
>
>
> Of course I will share back my progress and consolidated findings to the 
> community
>
> Thanks in Advance
> TonyM
>   
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[TonyM]

Josiah,

It is not quite like your first paragraph below.

Given Office 365 support clicking on local links to Office documents allow 
me to open or save (already), I open them and the app launches editing the 
original local file. Outside the document types already supported for 
viewing in the browser such as PDF and Txt (read Only) I use this "export 
as command" process from a custom tiddler, the custom export places the 
command line with parameters in the exported/downloaded file example 
commands "C:\Users\Tony\Dropbox\PortableApps\Start.exe" OR "notepad 
C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts." If however you use "Start 
filename.ext" the start command will execute the app with the file 
association to ext. Yes, the result is I open the original local file in a 
desktop application.

I have not generalised the batch file yet but here is the guts inside a loop

if exist C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\*.tidact echo tidact file(s) for processing
if exist C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\*.tidact move 
C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\*.tidact C:\Data\batches\tidact\
if exist C:\Data\batches\tidact\*.tidact for %%A in 
(C:\Data\batches\tidact\*.tidact) Do call :actions "%%A"

the the :action section moves, renames, executes and deletes the file.

It may be possible to help install this batch process using the command 
execution process itself (more thought required)

I hope than throws more light on it?

Tony



On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 11:21:59 PM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao TonyM
>
> Am I right in thinking that this gets round the issue that when you click 
> on most local file links in browsers they download the file type to the 
> download folder. And what you are aiming to do is open the originals? Have 
> I understood?
>
> You are using TW to construct the command lines? Right? And they get 
> executed by an external batching mechanism. That is very interesting. I'm 
> not sure how easily it could generalise, but its definitely interesting.
>
> I was kinda thinking about it the other way around. You push the browser 
> to register many file types the OS already knows. They get downloaded and 
> auto-invoked in a "download folder" for editing. Then you have a mechanism 
> to copy them back "home" after changes.
>
> One thing seems clear, with browsers as they have become, you will need 
> some "gizmo" outside them to do part of the magic. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:08:03 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> An update on executing Windows OS commands from within tiddlywiki
>>
>> I have a reasonable solution, which could be improved upon
>>
>> I managed to create a custom exporter using copies of the following 
>> tiddlers
>>
>> $:/core/templates/exporters/TidFile
>>
>> $:/language/Exporters/TidFile
>>
>> $:/core/templates/tid-tiddler 
>>
>>
>> The custom exporter exports the command and parameter fields only from a 
>> custom tiddler to a custom file type/extension
>>
>>
>> When I want to execute a documented command tiddler I use the toolbar 
>> export option and select as type "command" (my name). This will prompt me 
>> to save this "tiddler" or command.
>>
>> As I always save downloads in a fixed folder and they go there.
>>
>>
>> I have a looping batch file that looks for the appearance of these files 
>> in the download directory (I will run it when I have a command to execute 
>> the first time), the batchfile moves them to a folder and runs the command 
>> in the command shell, then deletes them.
>>
>>
>> I can even open notepad on the hosts file, or run applications not known 
>> by firefox. Using the start commend I can leverage all windows file 
>> associations.
>>
>>
>> I can generalise this and publish if anyone is interested.
>>
>>
>> I suppose now a button or links to export current tiddler using the 
>> specific file type more easily, or a feature like tiddlyfox that permits 
>> saving these file types without prompting would make it better.
>>
>>
>> My feeling is this approach is somewhat immune from hacking because of 
>> the minimal user intervention required, and I am using this on a tiddlywiki 
>> dedicated to the local machine only, not hosted.
>>
>>
>> Your thought please,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 7:33:15 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all in this wonderful community,
>>>
>>> I have only recently started to get serious with TW5 after years of 
>>> TiddlyWiki Classic.
>>>
>>> I just wanted to put it out there and seek your input to my current 
>>> project, building "Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki's", by which I 
>>> mean that I am using TiddlyWiki 5 instances to build and support my use of 
>>> the Windows desktop environment. Managing folders and their contents, 
>>> documenting file locations, network locations, Network devices, 
>>> highlighting important documents and settings, even launching applications 
>>> or documenting troubleshooting tips and settings. The idea includes the 
>>> creation of what I call Micro-sites using 

[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao TonyM

Am I right in thinking that this gets round the issue that when you click 
on most local file links in browsers they download the file type to the 
download folder. And what you are aiming to do is open the originals? Have 
I understood?

You are using TW to construct the command lines? Right? And they get 
executed by an external batching mechanism. That is very interesting. I'm 
not sure how easily it could generalise, but its definitely interesting.

I was kinda thinking about it the other way around. You push the browser to 
register many file types the OS already knows. They get downloaded and 
auto-invoked in a "download folder" for editing. Then you have a mechanism 
to copy them back "home" after changes.

One thing seems clear, with browsers as they have become, you will need 
some "gizmo" outside them to do part of the magic. 

Best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 2 July 2017 11:08:03 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> An update on executing Windows OS commands from within tiddlywiki
>
> I have a reasonable solution, which could be improved upon
>
> I managed to create a custom exporter using copies of the following 
> tiddlers
>
> $:/core/templates/exporters/TidFile
>
> $:/language/Exporters/TidFile
>
> $:/core/templates/tid-tiddler 
>
>
> The custom exporter exports the command and parameter fields only from a 
> custom tiddler to a custom file type/extension
>
>
> When I want to execute a documented command tiddler I use the toolbar 
> export option and select as type "command" (my name). This will prompt me 
> to save this "tiddler" or command.
>
> As I always save downloads in a fixed folder and they go there.
>
>
> I have a looping batch file that looks for the appearance of these files 
> in the download directory (I will run it when I have a command to execute 
> the first time), the batchfile moves them to a folder and runs the command 
> in the command shell, then deletes them.
>
>
> I can even open notepad on the hosts file, or run applications not known 
> by firefox. Using the start commend I can leverage all windows file 
> associations.
>
>
> I can generalise this and publish if anyone is interested.
>
>
> I suppose now a button or links to export current tiddler using the 
> specific file type more easily, or a feature like tiddlyfox that permits 
> saving these file types without prompting would make it better.
>
>
> My feeling is this approach is somewhat immune from hacking because of the 
> minimal user intervention required, and I am using this on a tiddlywiki 
> dedicated to the local machine only, not hosted.
>
>
> Your thought please,
> Tony
>
>
> On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 7:33:15 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Hi all in this wonderful community,
>>
>> I have only recently started to get serious with TW5 after years of 
>> TiddlyWiki Classic.
>>
>> I just wanted to put it out there and seek your input to my current 
>> project, building "Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki's", by which I 
>> mean that I am using TiddlyWiki 5 instances to build and support my use of 
>> the Windows desktop environment. Managing folders and their contents, 
>> documenting file locations, network locations, Network devices, 
>> highlighting important documents and settings, even launching applications 
>> or documenting troubleshooting tips and settings. The idea includes the 
>> creation of what I call Micro-sites using tiddlywiki for whatever I fancy.
>>
>> You could say I want to enable TiddlyWiki to become a "first class 
>> citizen" when it comes to the Local operating system.
>>
>> *My setup*
>> My preferred browser is FireFox but I use Chrome as well.
>> I have a node.JS install, but also independent wikis. 
>>
>> Please let me know your thoughts and any inspiration you have, along with 
>> plugins and tips you think may add value.
>>
>> *Examples so far*
>>
>>- Using standard TiddlyWiki external Links I can document the Web 
>>admin addresses of routers, open and read text and config files.
>>- Using Import, Drag and Drop I can document setting and text files 
>>and more
>>- From inside TiddlyWiki or the Browser session, I can browse the 
>>file system, open file and network locations in Windows Explorer, and 
>>Microsoft Office application documents (any registered file types from 
>>inside FireFox.
>>   - Using the FireFox "Local File System Links" Add-on/extension, 
>>   With the execute files option checked (not wise browsing the internet) 
>>   - I can launch native applications
>>  - Launch batches, and Presumably power-shell scripts
>>  
>> *Some things I would like to do,*
>>
>>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>>- Build a open tasks related apps menu
>>- Nice Graphical application launcher
>>
>>
>> Of course I will share back my progress and consolidated findings to the 
>> community
>>
>> Thanks 

[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[TonyM]

An update on executing Windows OS commands from within tiddlywiki

I have a reasonable solution, which could be improved upon

I managed to create a custom exporter using copies of the following tiddlers

$:/core/templates/exporters/TidFile

$:/language/Exporters/TidFile

$:/core/templates/tid-tiddler 


The custom exporter exports the command and parameter fields only from a 
custom tiddler to a custom file type/extension


When I want to execute a documented command tiddler I use the toolbar 
export option and select as type "command" (my name). This will prompt me 
to save this "tiddler" or command.

As I always save downloads in a fixed folder and they go there.


I have a looping batch file that looks for the appearance of these files in 
the download directory (I will run it when I have a command to execute the 
first time), the batchfile moves them to a folder and runs the command in 
the command shell, then deletes them.


I can even open notepad on the hosts file, or run applications not known by 
firefox. Using the start commend I can leverage all windows file 
associations.


I can generalise this and publish if anyone is interested.


I suppose now a button or links to export current tiddler using the 
specific file type more easily, or a feature like tiddlyfox that permits 
saving these file types without prompting would make it better.


My feeling is this approach is somewhat immune from hacking because of the 
minimal user intervention required, and I am using this on a tiddlywiki 
dedicated to the local machine only, not hosted.


Your thought please,
Tony


On Saturday, June 24, 2017 at 7:33:15 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Hi all in this wonderful community,
>
> I have only recently started to get serious with TW5 after years of 
> TiddlyWiki Classic.
>
> I just wanted to put it out there and seek your input to my current 
> project, building "Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki's", by which I 
> mean that I am using TiddlyWiki 5 instances to build and support my use of 
> the Windows desktop environment. Managing folders and their contents, 
> documenting file locations, network locations, Network devices, 
> highlighting important documents and settings, even launching applications 
> or documenting troubleshooting tips and settings. The idea includes the 
> creation of what I call Micro-sites using tiddlywiki for whatever I fancy.
>
> You could say I want to enable TiddlyWiki to become a "first class 
> citizen" when it comes to the Local operating system.
>
> *My setup*
> My preferred browser is FireFox but I use Chrome as well.
> I have a node.JS install, but also independent wikis. 
>
> Please let me know your thoughts and any inspiration you have, along with 
> plugins and tips you think may add value.
>
> *Examples so far*
>
>- Using standard TiddlyWiki external Links I can document the Web 
>admin addresses of routers, open and read text and config files.
>- Using Import, Drag and Drop I can document setting and text files 
>and more
>- From inside TiddlyWiki or the Browser session, I can browse the file 
>system, open file and network locations in Windows Explorer, and Microsoft 
>Office application documents (any registered file types from inside 
> FireFox.
>   - Using the FireFox "Local File System Links" Add-on/extension, 
>   With the execute files option checked (not wise browsing the internet) 
>   - I can launch native applications
>  - Launch batches, and Presumably power-shell scripts
>  
> *Some things I would like to do,*
>
>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>- Build a open tasks related apps menu
>- Nice Graphical application launcher
>
>
> Of course I will share back my progress and consolidated findings to the 
> community
>
> Thanks in Advance
> TonyM
>   
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[Mat]

@Tony

I'll try to remember to post a message here also for it. 

The thing Josiah referred to as bubble thing is the family tree 
.

@Josiah

Why, Jeremiah is obviously the well established term when addressing both 
you and Jeremy at the same time. One could possibly argue that "why the 
heck would I bring in Jeremy in this", but that is of course a different 
matter. I'm sure Toniah agrees. 

<:-)



On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 2:44:47 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
> Looking forward to it, where should I watch for you work, what do you call 
> it?
>
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, 25 June 2017 04:59:14 UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>>
>> TonyM - this sounds very exciting and I'll follow this closely.
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> *Some things I would like to do,*

- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings

 Would Mat's nice CSS "Bubble Map" of lists help? *(I can't find it, 
>>> I'll write Mat)*. Or Tiddly Map could be adapted to it? Possibly also 
>>> embedded Visio diagrams (though I'm not sure Visio lets you create HTML 
>>> "clickable maps" any longer)?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what you're referring to Jeremiah.
>>
>> ...HOWEVER, I've over the past week been working on something cool that 
>> will be released within very shortly. While not it's primary purpose, I 
>> think it should make it possible to easily create "graphical maps of a 
>> network".   :-)
>>
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[TonyM]

Mat,

Looking forward to it, where should I watch for you work, what do you call 
it?

Tony

On Sunday, 25 June 2017 04:59:14 UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> TonyM - this sounds very exciting and I'll follow this closely.
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> *Some things I would like to do,*
>>>
>>>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>>>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>>>
>>> Would Mat's nice CSS "Bubble Map" of lists help? *(I can't find it, 
>> I'll write Mat)*. Or Tiddly Map could be adapted to it? Possibly also 
>> embedded Visio diagrams (though I'm not sure Visio lets you create HTML 
>> "clickable maps" any longer)?
>>
>
> I don't know what you're referring to Jeremiah.
>
> ...HOWEVER, I've over the past week been working on something cool that 
> will be released within very shortly. While not it's primary purpose, I 
> think it should make it possible to easily create "graphical maps of a 
> network".   :-)
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[TonyM]

Thanks Josiah,

Let me add a little more than my first post, I will endeavor to share some 
screen shots in time.

I hope to build a set of plugins, tips and practices, perhaps an instance 
of TW5 with appropriate plugins and Browser/OS notes for use on a computer 
to manage and document local resources. 
Here are a few more examples
*Create a tiddler with the readme text from a command line utility and 
provide prepared links to execute various command parameter variations eg; 
sysinternals
*Drag and drop the hosts file into the wiki and create a link to launch 
notepad or other default text editor
*Display a link to a file IF Exists 
*Execute a command line and pipe the output into a tiddler (with Node.JS 
this seems practical)

You mention Background knowledge. Well I can contribute Windows OS 
knowledge from working with it since before Windows 3.1, I wonder what 
other diciplins would help. I would love to add android, Unix and MAC 
features as well.

I will look into Bubble Map and Tiddler Map thanks.

The Execute from browser is a real issue, just as saving tiddlywikis has 
being. TiddlyFox - TiddlyWiki for Firefox is a life saver. One approach I 
have is to create a FireFox Profile called Local which has the desktop 
permissive plugins including the execute option in the aforementioned 
"Local File System Links" add-on. I think there may be a way to open 
external links in another profile and keep the local profile as the only 
one able to do local execute etc... I would love to see this option built 
into tiddlyfox, so you could nominate a tiddlywiki for local execute,

I think there may be an opportunity to monitor a download folder and have 
the Local machine respond, but there is a lot to be gained from 
adding/using file associations in the OS and mime types in the browser.

Yes, With office 365 installed, you can get great access to local office 
applications, with "Local File System Links" add-on I can browse to 
file://c:/User/Tony/Documents and click on a document to open in the 
application.

I love the "Its all text plugin" as well, and are currently using it off 
TiddlyWiki Classic for large tiddlers. I will investigate CKEditor HTML 
editing.

Thanks for your feedback Josiah



On Sunday, 25 June 2017 04:05:48 UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao TonyM
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> You could say I want to enable TiddlyWiki to become a "first class 
>> citizen" when it comes to the Local operating system.
>>
>
> It's interesting as its far to bespoke. Its not so easy to explain as you 
> can't really demo it since there is, inevitably, local configuration in how 
> TW & the browser negotiate with the OS that can't be easily replicated. 
>
> Maybe, later you could post *screen shots* of it working, *or a video*? 
>
> I think its a superb use of TW to Desktop Manage, and I'm aware you can go 
> a long way with it. But it does involve quite a lot of background 
> knowledge. Its explanation of that background knowledge that, I think, is 
> needed so others are are able to benefit.
>  
>
>> *Some things I would like to do,*
>>
>>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>>
>> Would Mat's nice CSS "Bubble Map" of lists help? *(I can't find it, I'll 
> write Mat)*. Or Tiddly Map could be adapted to it? Possibly also embedded 
> Visio diagrams (though I'm not sure Visio lets you create HTML "clickable 
> maps" any longer)?
>
> The way that programs get invoked by the OS is an interesting theme. As 
> browsers are going its getting harder to directly invoke any program. But 
> the "download" mechanism is pretty universal and a fall-back that the OS 
> can intercept, so whilst the TW thinks its downloading, the OS can be set 
> to consider it a call to open a file of that type (at least on desktops). 
> An issue I had is that the file opened can be a copy in a temp folder, 
> rather than the original. And the behaviour is not always consistent, for 
> reasons I do not understand.
>
> There are some Firefox add-ons that still manage to open Office documents 
> for edit directly in the browser.
>
> FWIW, in the Editor in TW I use the Firefox Add-On Its All Text 
> to enable 
> easier editing for larger texts. Previously there was a Firefox gizmo like 
> this that could handle many formats. Its gone, a victim of Firefox changes. 
> Now, basically, external editing can usually only be set to one file type 
> using that simple (editing area) add-on. But it works. I'd be interested if 
> you knew of any alternative ways that recognised more than plain text. BJ's 
> add on that enables CKEditor HTML editing is handy, but in a way its 
> overkill if you can use a fully external editing solution without any TW 
> plugin needed. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>  
>  
>

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat,

No one called me Jeremiah before. Am I getting too biblical? :-)

The Bubble Thing, I think you tried do family trees in it. It was a visual 
tree using LI with excellent CSS formatting. 

Don't force me to look you up.

Josiah, x

Mat wrote:
>
> I don't know what you're referring to Jeremiah.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[Mat]

TonyM - this sounds very exciting and I'll follow this closely.

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> *Some things I would like to do,*
>>
>>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>>
>> Would Mat's nice CSS "Bubble Map" of lists help? *(I can't find it, I'll 
> write Mat)*. Or Tiddly Map could be adapted to it? Possibly also embedded 
> Visio diagrams (though I'm not sure Visio lets you create HTML "clickable 
> maps" any longer)?
>

I don't know what you're referring to Jeremiah.

...HOWEVER, I've over the past week been working on something cool that 
will be released within very shortly. While not it's primary purpose, I 
think it should make it possible to easily create "graphical maps of a 
network".   :-)


<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Windows Desktop Interactive TiddlyWiki 5

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao TonyM

TonyM wrote:
>
> You could say I want to enable TiddlyWiki to become a "first class 
> citizen" when it comes to the Local operating system.
>

It's interesting as its far to bespoke. Its not so easy to explain as you 
can't really demo it since there is, inevitably, local configuration in how 
TW & the browser negotiate with the OS that can't be easily replicated. 

Maybe, later you could post *screen shots* of it working, *or a video*? 

I think its a superb use of TW to Desktop Manage, and I'm aware you can go 
a long way with it. But it does involve quite a lot of background 
knowledge. Its explanation of that background knowledge that, I think, is 
needed so others are are able to benefit.
 

> *Some things I would like to do,*
>
>- Include an image of a Graphical map of my network with hotspot 
>clicks to go to that device, backed up by device info and settings
>
> Would Mat's nice CSS "Bubble Map" of lists help? *(I can't find it, I'll 
write Mat)*. Or Tiddly Map could be adapted to it? Possibly also embedded 
Visio diagrams (though I'm not sure Visio lets you create HTML "clickable 
maps" any longer)?

The way that programs get invoked by the OS is an interesting theme. As 
browsers are going its getting harder to directly invoke any program. But 
the "download" mechanism is pretty universal and a fall-back that the OS 
can intercept, so whilst the TW thinks its downloading, the OS can be set 
to consider it a call to open a file of that type (at least on desktops). 
An issue I had is that the file opened can be a copy in a temp folder, 
rather than the original. And the behaviour is not always consistent, for 
reasons I do not understand.

There are some Firefox add-ons that still manage to open Office documents 
for edit directly in the browser.

FWIW, in the Editor in TW I use the Firefox Add-On Its All Text 
to enable 
easier editing for larger texts. Previously there was a Firefox gizmo like 
this that could handle many formats. Its gone, a victim of Firefox changes. 
Now, basically, external editing can usually only be set to one file type 
using that simple (editing area) add-on. But it works. I'd be interested if 
you knew of any alternative ways that recognised more than plain text. BJ's 
add on that enables CKEditor HTML editing is handy, but in a way its 
overkill if you can use a fully external editing solution without any TW 
plugin needed. 

Best wishes
Josiah

 
 

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