[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[BJ]

It maybe useful to have keyboard short cuts if you have a small number of 
entries in your tiddlyclipconfig, however they would have to fit in with 
all the other keyboard shortcuts from other pages/addons. I will have a 
look to see if it is possible, but this is a low priority issue for me (I 
have too many entries in my tiddlyclipconfigs for shortcuts!!).

bj

On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:39:39 PM UTC+1, Julio Cantarero wrote:
>
> Hi BJ,
>
> Related to the last request, I just thought that another enhancement to 
> TiddlyClip would be to have direct access keys for the TiddlyClip entries 
> in the Context menu (I mean the right-click menu in FireFox). This could 
> speed up TiddlyClip operations when the user wants to record small text 
> chunks in the tiddler fields.
> Not sure if this is feasible. I was playing with a FireFox Addon (named 
> "Menu Wizard") that allows you to set these direct access keys per menu 
> entry, but it was only possible to do so in the first context menu level of 
> TiddlyClip, maybe because the others entries are created dynamically.
> In any case, it is just an idea, it is still very cool to be passing info 
> to TW with one click of the mouse.
> Thanks,
>
> Julio
>
> El sábado, 26 de marzo de 2016, 14:58:02 (UTC+1), Mark S. escribió:
>>
>> Hi BJ,
>>
>> Thanks for writing such a useful utility!
>>
>> I'm late to this conversation, but I wanted to add my thought.
>>
>> The main reason I don't use TC more is the docking. Having to check on 
>> docking, dock, and then do the clipping is only slightly faster than cut & 
>> paste. So it's mostly useful if I'm starting a session where I will be 
>> doing lots of clipping.
>>
>> Is there any way, maybe with cookies, that TC can remember where it is 
>> docked between browser shut-downs? I almost always dock to the same TW. I 
>> guess you could call it "Lock the Dock" ;)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 7:19:16 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
>>> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
>>> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
>>> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
>>> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think a lot of us would like that first ability. The question is, is it 
even possible?

Mark

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:47:34 PM UTC-7, Tryign It wrote:
>
> Would it be possible to include the ability to save images/files into a 
> folder relative to the TW, but the images/files are 'linked' into the TW 
> upon clipping?
>
> Also, it would be quite handy to have the ability of selecting content & a 
> pop-up that permits the user to enter tags (previously used or new tags)
>
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Tryign It]

Would it be possible to include the ability to save images/files into a 
folder relative to the TW, but the images/files are 'linked' into the TW 
upon clipping?

Also, it would be quite handy to have the ability of selecting content & a 
pop-up that permits the user to enter tags (previously used or new tags)

(In the case that its clipping to a previously created tiddler, it would 
simply transclude the new snip into that tiddler...)

On Tuesday, 26 January 2016 15:19:16 UTC, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>
> all the best
>
> BJ
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Alex Hough]

Hi BJ,

I wondered if TiddlyClip could capture book metadata.

For example:

I visit a website: http://universalprinciplesofdesign.com/books/
and notice that it is exposing metadata becuase the Zotero plugin in Chrome
is telling me so

[image: Inline images 1]

I look at the source and see the following

[image: Inline images 2]

The description and keywords could be added to a field using TiddlyClip

best wishes

Alex

On 28 March 2016 at 22:39, Julio Cantarero 
wrote:

> Hi BJ,
>
> Related to the last request, I just thought that another enhancement to
> TiddlyClip would be to have direct access keys for the TiddlyClip entries
> in the Context menu (I mean the right-click menu in FireFox). This could
> speed up TiddlyClip operations when the user wants to record small text
> chunks in the tiddler fields.
> Not sure if this is feasible. I was playing with a FireFox Addon (named
> "Menu Wizard") that allows you to set these direct access keys per menu
> entry, but it was only possible to do so in the first context menu level of
> TiddlyClip, maybe because the others entries are created dynamically.
> In any case, it is just an idea, it is still very cool to be passing info
> to TW with one click of the mouse.
> Thanks,
>
> Julio
>
> El sábado, 26 de marzo de 2016, 14:58:02 (UTC+1), Mark S. escribió:
>>
>> Hi BJ,
>>
>> Thanks for writing such a useful utility!
>>
>> I'm late to this conversation, but I wanted to add my thought.
>>
>> The main reason I don't use TC more is the docking. Having to check on
>> docking, dock, and then do the clipping is only slightly faster than cut &
>> paste. So it's mostly useful if I'm starting a session where I will be
>> doing lots of clipping.
>>
>> Is there any way, maybe with cookies, that TC can remember where it is
>> docked between browser shut-downs? I almost always dock to the same TW. I
>> guess you could call it "Lock the Dock" ;)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 7:19:16 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future
>>> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a
>>> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or
>>> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular
>>> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Julio Cantarero]

Hi BJ,

Related to the last request, I just thought that another enhancement to 
TiddlyClip would be to have direct access keys for the TiddlyClip entries 
in the Context menu (I mean the right-click menu in FireFox). This could 
speed up TiddlyClip operations when the user wants to record small text 
chunks in the tiddler fields.
Not sure if this is feasible. I was playing with a FireFox Addon (named 
"Menu Wizard") that allows you to set these direct access keys per menu 
entry, but it was only possible to do so in the first context menu level of 
TiddlyClip, maybe because the others entries are created dynamically.
In any case, it is just an idea, it is still very cool to be passing info 
to TW with one click of the mouse.
Thanks,

Julio

El sábado, 26 de marzo de 2016, 14:58:02 (UTC+1), Mark S. escribió:
>
> Hi BJ,
>
> Thanks for writing such a useful utility!
>
> I'm late to this conversation, but I wanted to add my thought.
>
> The main reason I don't use TC more is the docking. Having to check on 
> docking, dock, and then do the clipping is only slightly faster than cut & 
> paste. So it's mostly useful if I'm starting a session where I will be 
> doing lots of clipping.
>
> Is there any way, maybe with cookies, that TC can remember where it is 
> docked between browser shut-downs? I almost always dock to the same TW. I 
> guess you could call it "Lock the Dock" ;)
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 7:19:16 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
>> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
>> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
>> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
>> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>>
>> all the best
>>
>> BJ
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi BJ,

Thanks for writing such a useful utility!

I'm late to this conversation, but I wanted to add my thought.

The main reason I don't use TC more is the docking. Having to check on 
docking, dock, and then do the clipping is only slightly faster than cut & 
paste. So it's mostly useful if I'm starting a session where I will be 
doing lots of clipping.

Is there any way, maybe with cookies, that TC can remember where it is 
docked between browser shut-downs? I almost always dock to the same TW. I 
guess you could call it "Lock the Dock" ;)

Thanks!
Mark



On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 7:19:16 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>
> all the best
>
> BJ
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Julio Cantarero]

Hi BJ,

Sure, it would do.
What I am trying to do is to generate the name of a new tiddler (created
from info captured by TC) and record it into the list field of an
"umbrella" tiddler. Currently I am using the @date/time information of the
web page, which is available in the Rule entries for both tiddlers
("umbrella" and new one). But passing information across the Rule entries
would allow me to use sequence numbers.
The link I posted earlier points to the TW I am working on. I will upload a
working version in the next few days.
Thank you!

Julio

El sáb., 26 mar. 2016 a las 10:06, BJ () escribió:

>
> Hi Julio,
> your usecase sounds very interesting. I don't think I can change how the #
> variables work without things breaking. An alternative would be to
> introduce a new type of variable, maybe ':' so that (eg) ':myvar' would
> keep it value across applications of rules. Do you thing that would work
> for you usage?
>
> all the best
> BJ
>
>
> On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 10:45:52 PM UTC, Julio Cantarero wrote:
>>
>> Hi BJ,
>>
>> While defining new rules for TiddlyClip, and I have bumped into a
>> characteristic of TiddlyClip's #variables: the scope of a #variable is
>> limited to the operations run inside the tiddler referenced in the 'Fields
>> modifiers' column.
>> Would it be possible to extend the scope of #variables so that their
>> values can be passed across Rules in the same operation?
>>
>> If so, I would be able to reuse values across different Tiddlers that I
>> create with a single TC click (category). I think this would make the rules
>> syntax more flexible. I do not know if extending the scope could cause
>> other problems/risks to TC itself.
>>
>> I must confess that I have tried to do this myself in your code
>> (commenting out //table['#']={}; in all instances in tidpaste.js
>> 
>> but the first one), but I did not manage to reuse #variables across Rule
>> tiddlers with just these changes.
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Julio
>>
>> El lunes, 1 de febrero de 2016, 12:16:03 (UTC+1), BJ escribió:
>>>
>>> hi Julio,
>>> thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that people use  tiddlyclip.
>>> Feedback like this is invaluable as it enables me to see what needs to be
>>> improved/added. - I have added comments below.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 11:07:01 PM UTC, Julio Cantarero wrote:

 Hi BJ,

 Thank you very much for the TiddlyClip TW5 plugin and FF addon. I use
 them very often to capture news to my TW when browsing around.

 Since you were also asking about particular uses, I also tried a few
 months ago to use TW5 + TiddlyClip to create a web notebook for studying
 vocabulary of foreign languages. The goal was to easily create new
 vocabulary entries in a TW5 thanks to TiddlyClip, and then use other TW5
 features to treat these entries as flashcards to support studying them. I
 didn't get to finish it, but I found TiddlyClip was very flexible. I was
 even capable of creating new tiddlers and renaming them, as well as create
 and delete tiddler fields (I have uploaded a copy of the latest status
 here: http://juliocantarero.github.io/TW5-LanguageStudyNotebook/ . It
 is not fully working though)

 Regarding suggestions, I would have never dared, but since you asked :-)

- In the documentation, it took me a while to realize that there
are tags and modes settings (table columns) both at Category (operation)
and Rule level. Modes at Category level are BrowserConfigModes, which is
different than Rule modes.

 As I wrote tiddlyclip I fully understand how it works, so I really need
>>> feedback on what is not clear - I will make this more clear in the
>>> documentation.
>>>

-
- I tried to transclude a tiddler in the tags column at Category
level, using {{TiddlerName}} but it did not work. I think I read 
 somewhere
in the plugin documentation that the {{ }} option should work. It works 
 in
the body column. The purpose of this was to be able to tag clips from
different sessions with different identifiers, like lesson N or 
 subjects,
etc.

 There is only this type of flexibility in the rules (I need to add this
>>> to the documentation ) so you would have to use the tag entry there for
>>> this function.
>>>

- And if I may: I guess there is a reason for it, but I found that
the syntax of the substitution expressions and macros was complex and
rigid. I guess I was stretching the use of TiddlyClip, or missed an 
 easiest
way to collect information in multiple passes from a web page. The only
option I could think of to pass structured information to TW5 (I mean a
vocabulary entry with term, definition, examples, pronuntiation, etc.) 
 was
tiddler fields.

>

[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[BJ]

Hi Julio,
your usecase sounds very interesting. I don't think I can change how the # 
variables work without things breaking. An alternative would be to 
introduce a new type of variable, maybe ':' so that (eg) ':myvar' would 
keep it value across applications of rules. Do you thing that would work 
for you usage?

all the best
BJ

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 10:45:52 PM UTC, Julio Cantarero wrote:
>
> Hi BJ,
>
> While defining new rules for TiddlyClip, and I have bumped into a 
> characteristic of TiddlyClip's #variables: the scope of a #variable is 
> limited to the operations run inside the tiddler referenced in the 'Fields 
> modifiers' column. 
> Would it be possible to extend the scope of #variables so that their 
> values can be passed across Rules in the same operation?
>
> If so, I would be able to reuse values across different Tiddlers that I 
> create with a single TC click (category). I think this would make the rules 
> syntax more flexible. I do not know if extending the scope could cause 
> other problems/risks to TC itself.
>
> I must confess that I have tried to do this myself in your code 
> (commenting out //table['#']={}; in all instances in tidpaste.js 
>  
> but the first one), but I did not manage to reuse #variables across Rule 
> tiddlers with just these changes.
> Thank you,
>
> Julio
>
> El lunes, 1 de febrero de 2016, 12:16:03 (UTC+1), BJ escribió:
>>
>> hi Julio,
>> thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that people use  tiddlyclip. 
>> Feedback like this is invaluable as it enables me to see what needs to be 
>> improved/added. - I have added comments below.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 11:07:01 PM UTC, Julio Cantarero wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi BJ,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for the TiddlyClip TW5 plugin and FF addon. I use 
>>> them very often to capture news to my TW when browsing around.
>>>
>>> Since you were also asking about particular uses, I also tried a few 
>>> months ago to use TW5 + TiddlyClip to create a web notebook for studying 
>>> vocabulary of foreign languages. The goal was to easily create new 
>>> vocabulary entries in a TW5 thanks to TiddlyClip, and then use other TW5 
>>> features to treat these entries as flashcards to support studying them. I 
>>> didn't get to finish it, but I found TiddlyClip was very flexible. I was 
>>> even capable of creating new tiddlers and renaming them, as well as create 
>>> and delete tiddler fields (I have uploaded a copy of the latest status 
>>> here: http://juliocantarero.github.io/TW5-LanguageStudyNotebook/ . It 
>>> is not fully working though)
>>>
>>> Regarding suggestions, I would have never dared, but since you asked :-)
>>>
>>>- In the documentation, it took me a while to realize that there are 
>>>tags and modes settings (table columns) both at Category (operation) and 
>>>Rule level. Modes at Category level are BrowserConfigModes, which is 
>>>different than Rule modes.
>>>
>>> As I wrote tiddlyclip I fully understand how it works, so I really need 
>> feedback on what is not clear - I will make this more clear in the 
>> documentation. 
>>
>>>
>>>- 
>>>- I tried to transclude a tiddler in the tags column at Category 
>>>level, using {{TiddlerName}} but it did not work. I think I read 
>>> somewhere 
>>>in the plugin documentation that the {{ }} option should work. It works 
>>> in 
>>>the body column. The purpose of this was to be able to tag clips from 
>>>different sessions with different identifiers, like lesson N or 
>>> subjects, 
>>>etc.
>>>
>>> There is only this type of flexibility in the rules (I need to add this 
>> to the documentation ) so you would have to use the tag entry there for 
>> this function. 
>>
>>>
>>>- And if I may: I guess there is a reason for it, but I found that 
>>>the syntax of the substitution expressions and macros was complex and 
>>>rigid. I guess I was stretching the use of TiddlyClip, or missed an 
>>> easiest 
>>>way to collect information in multiple passes from a web page. The only 
>>>option I could think of to pass structured information to TW5 (I mean a 
>>>vocabulary entry with term, definition, examples, pronuntiation, etc.) 
>>> was 
>>>tiddler fields.
>>>
>>> Your language study application is very interesting. Like you say the 
>> basic tiddlyclip operation is to select some text and clip the selection 
>> into tiddler(s) fields. It is also possible to clip the contents of the 
>> clipboard using the  @clip variable, so one can copy some text to the 
>> clipboard, then highlight some text and clip both to tiddlers. To clip more 
>> selections on the page (other than using multiple clip actions as you have 
>> done) either requires using regular expressions or writing macros. It is 
>> possible to highlight multiple selections on a page (using the highlight 
>> rule), then select all of the page's text a

[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Julio Cantarero]

Hi BJ,

While defining new rules for TiddlyClip, and I have bumped into a 
characteristic of TiddlyClip's #variables: the scope of a #variable is 
limited to the operations run inside the tiddler referenced in the 'Fields 
modifiers' column. 
Would it be possible to extend the scope of #variables so that their values 
can be passed across Rules in the same operation?

If so, I would be able to reuse values across different Tiddlers that I 
create with a single TC click (category). I think this would make the rules 
syntax more flexible. I do not know if extending the scope could cause 
other problems/risks to TC itself.

I must confess that I have tried to do this myself in your code (commenting 
out //table['#']={}; in all instances in tidpaste.js 
 
but the first one), but I did not manage to reuse #variables across Rule 
tiddlers with just these changes.
Thank you,

Julio

El lunes, 1 de febrero de 2016, 12:16:03 (UTC+1), BJ escribió:
>
> hi Julio,
> thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that people use  tiddlyclip. 
> Feedback like this is invaluable as it enables me to see what needs to be 
> improved/added. - I have added comments below.
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 11:07:01 PM UTC, Julio Cantarero wrote:
>>
>> Hi BJ,
>>
>> Thank you very much for the TiddlyClip TW5 plugin and FF addon. I use 
>> them very often to capture news to my TW when browsing around.
>>
>> Since you were also asking about particular uses, I also tried a few 
>> months ago to use TW5 + TiddlyClip to create a web notebook for studying 
>> vocabulary of foreign languages. The goal was to easily create new 
>> vocabulary entries in a TW5 thanks to TiddlyClip, and then use other TW5 
>> features to treat these entries as flashcards to support studying them. I 
>> didn't get to finish it, but I found TiddlyClip was very flexible. I was 
>> even capable of creating new tiddlers and renaming them, as well as create 
>> and delete tiddler fields (I have uploaded a copy of the latest status 
>> here: http://juliocantarero.github.io/TW5-LanguageStudyNotebook/ . It is 
>> not fully working though)
>>
>> Regarding suggestions, I would have never dared, but since you asked :-)
>>
>>- In the documentation, it took me a while to realize that there are 
>>tags and modes settings (table columns) both at Category (operation) and 
>>Rule level. Modes at Category level are BrowserConfigModes, which is 
>>different than Rule modes.
>>
>> As I wrote tiddlyclip I fully understand how it works, so I really need 
> feedback on what is not clear - I will make this more clear in the 
> documentation. 
>
>>
>>- 
>>- I tried to transclude a tiddler in the tags column at Category 
>>level, using {{TiddlerName}} but it did not work. I think I read 
>> somewhere 
>>in the plugin documentation that the {{ }} option should work. It works 
>> in 
>>the body column. The purpose of this was to be able to tag clips from 
>>different sessions with different identifiers, like lesson N or subjects, 
>>etc.
>>
>> There is only this type of flexibility in the rules (I need to add this 
> to the documentation ) so you would have to use the tag entry there for 
> this function. 
>
>>
>>- And if I may: I guess there is a reason for it, but I found that 
>>the syntax of the substitution expressions and macros was complex and 
>>rigid. I guess I was stretching the use of TiddlyClip, or missed an 
>> easiest 
>>way to collect information in multiple passes from a web page. The only 
>>option I could think of to pass structured information to TW5 (I mean a 
>>vocabulary entry with term, definition, examples, pronuntiation, etc.) 
>> was 
>>tiddler fields.
>>
>> Your language study application is very interesting. Like you say the 
> basic tiddlyclip operation is to select some text and clip the selection 
> into tiddler(s) fields. It is also possible to clip the contents of the 
> clipboard using the  @clip variable, so one can copy some text to the 
> clipboard, then highlight some text and clip both to tiddlers. To clip more 
> selections on the page (other than using multiple clip actions as you have 
> done) either requires using regular expressions or writing macros. It is 
> possible to highlight multiple selections on a page (using the highlight 
> rule), then select all of the page's text and clip that through selection 
> macros (that would need to written - this is not difficult), eg 
> @Selected#1(@web), @Selected#2(@web) etc.  
>
> For the next release I may expand macro to take multiple arguments to 
> support functions like  @Selected(#1,@web).
>
> My choice of syntax for Tiddlyclip was constrained to be usable with 
> wikitext, which restricted the syntax that could be used for its template 
> braces (of the syntax compatible with wikitext I thought that '((*' '*))' 
> would standout in the middle

[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[BJ]

hi Julio,
thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that people use  tiddlyclip. 
Feedback like this is invaluable as it enables me to see what needs to be 
improved/added. - I have added comments below.

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 11:07:01 PM UTC, Julio Cantarero wrote:
>
> Hi BJ,
>
> Thank you very much for the TiddlyClip TW5 plugin and FF addon. I use them 
> very often to capture news to my TW when browsing around.
>
> Since you were also asking about particular uses, I also tried a few 
> months ago to use TW5 + TiddlyClip to create a web notebook for studying 
> vocabulary of foreign languages. The goal was to easily create new 
> vocabulary entries in a TW5 thanks to TiddlyClip, and then use other TW5 
> features to treat these entries as flashcards to support studying them. I 
> didn't get to finish it, but I found TiddlyClip was very flexible. I was 
> even capable of creating new tiddlers and renaming them, as well as create 
> and delete tiddler fields (I have uploaded a copy of the latest status 
> here: http://juliocantarero.github.io/TW5-LanguageStudyNotebook/ . It is 
> not fully working though)
>
> Regarding suggestions, I would have never dared, but since you asked :-)
>
>- In the documentation, it took me a while to realize that there are 
>tags and modes settings (table columns) both at Category (operation) and 
>Rule level. Modes at Category level are BrowserConfigModes, which is 
>different than Rule modes.
>
> As I wrote tiddlyclip I fully understand how it works, so I really need 
feedback on what is not clear - I will make this more clear in the 
documentation. 

>
>- 
>- I tried to transclude a tiddler in the tags column at Category 
>level, using {{TiddlerName}} but it did not work. I think I read somewhere 
>in the plugin documentation that the {{ }} option should work. It works in 
>the body column. The purpose of this was to be able to tag clips from 
>different sessions with different identifiers, like lesson N or subjects, 
>etc.
>
> There is only this type of flexibility in the rules (I need to add this to 
the documentation ) so you would have to use the tag entry there for this 
function. 

>
>- And if I may: I guess there is a reason for it, but I found that the 
>syntax of the substitution expressions and macros was complex and rigid. I 
>guess I was stretching the use of TiddlyClip, or missed an easiest way to 
>collect information in multiple passes from a web page. The only option I 
>could think of to pass structured information to TW5 (I mean a vocabulary 
>entry with term, definition, examples, pronuntiation, etc.) was tiddler 
>fields.
>
> Your language study application is very interesting. Like you say the 
basic tiddlyclip operation is to select some text and clip the selection 
into tiddler(s) fields. It is also possible to clip the contents of the 
clipboard using the  @clip variable, so one can copy some text to the 
clipboard, then highlight some text and clip both to tiddlers. To clip more 
selections on the page (other than using multiple clip actions as you have 
done) either requires using regular expressions or writing macros. It is 
possible to highlight multiple selections on a page (using the highlight 
rule), then select all of the page's text and clip that through selection 
macros (that would need to written - this is not difficult), eg 
@Selected#1(@web), @Selected#2(@web) etc.  

For the next release I may expand macro to take multiple arguments to 
support functions like  @Selected(#1,@web).

My choice of syntax for Tiddlyclip was constrained to be usable with 
wikitext, which restricted the syntax that it could use for its template 
braces (of the syntax compatible with wikitext I thought that '((*' '*))' 
would standout in the middle the wikitext. All tiddlyclip logic had to be 
put inside these braces. I will try and add some literal numbers and 
strings to the future release).

>
>- 
>
> Regards,
>
> Julio
>
> El martes, 26 de enero de 2016, 16:19:16 (UTC+1), BJ escribió:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
>> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
>> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
>> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
>> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>>
>> all the best
>>
>> BJ
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Julio Cantarero]

Hi BJ,

Thank you very much for the TiddlyClip TW5 plugin and FF addon. I use them 
very often to capture news to my TW when browsing around.

Since you were also asking about particular uses, I also tried a few months 
ago to use TW5 + TiddlyClip to create a web notebook for studying 
vocabulary of foreign languages. The goal was to easily create new 
vocabulary entries in a TW5 thanks to TiddlyClip, and then use other TW5 
features to treat these entries as flashcards to support studying them. I 
didn't get to finish it, but I found TiddlyClip was very flexible. I was 
even capable of creating new tiddlers and renaming them, as well as create 
and delete tiddler fields (I have uploaded a copy of the latest status 
here: http://juliocantarero.github.io/TW5-LanguageStudyNotebook/ . It is 
not fully working though)

Regarding suggestions, I would have never dared, but since you asked :-)

   - In the documentation, it took me a while to realize that there are 
   tags and modes settings (table columns) both at Category (operation) and 
   Rule level. Modes at Category level are BrowserConfigModes, which is 
   different than Rule modes.
   - I tried to transclude a tiddler in the tags column at Category level, 
   using {{TiddlerName}} but it did not work. I think I read somewhere in the 
   plugin documentation that the {{ }} option should work. It works in the 
   body column. The purpose of this was to be able to tag clips from different 
   sessions with different identifiers, like lesson N or subjects, etc.
   - And if I may: I guess there is a reason for it, but I found that the 
   syntax of the substitution expressions and macros was complex and rigid. I 
   guess I was stretching the use of TiddlyClip, or missed an easiest way to 
   collect information in multiple passes from a web page. The only option I 
   could think of to pass structured information to TW5 (I mean a vocabulary 
   entry with term, definition, examples, pronuntiation, etc.) was tiddler 
   fields.
   
Regards,

Julio

El martes, 26 de enero de 2016, 16:19:16 (UTC+1), BJ escribió:
>
> Hi all,
> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>
> all the best
>
> BJ
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[BJ]

thanks for the feedback - I will try and make the documentation better with 
the upcoming release.

On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 9:44:49 AM UTC, Matabele wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I did most of these steps, and I knew how to install an extension locally 
> -- but stuck when it came to: "then load unpacked extension" -- it wasn't 
> clear that the whole extension folder must be selected. I was looking for 
> something more specific, and didn't know what to select.
>
> Anyway, I now have it installed --  many thanks.
>
> regards
>
> On Friday, 29 January 2016 11:16:28 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matabele,
>>
>> there is a brief mention on http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com about 
>> installing on chrome:
>>
>> The chrome addon needs to be added locally. Right click the link below to 
>> save the addon locally. (unzip it)
>>
>> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/raw/0.0.8/tiddlyclip.zip
>>
>> click the menu button then click "more tools" then extensions, then load 
>> unpacked extension
>>
>> Note that tiddlyclip only works with tiddlywikis loaded as normal 
>> webpages, not as apps.
>>
>> cheers
>> BJ
>>
>> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3:49:53 AM UTC, Matabele wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Please could you make an extension for Chrome, or, if there is one, 
>>> describe how to install it (the repo on Github looks like it might contain 
>>> one, but I can't wok out how to install it.)
>>>
>>> reagards
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:19:16 UTC+2, BJ wrote:

 Hi all,
 I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
 versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be 
 a 
 good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
 added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
 use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?

 all the best

 BJ

>>>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Matabele]

Hi

I did most of these steps, and I knew how to install an extension locally 
-- but stuck when it came to: "then load unpacked extension" -- it wasn't 
clear that the whole extension folder must be selected. I was looking for 
something more specific, and didn't know what to select.

Anyway, I now have it installed --  many thanks.

regards

On Friday, 29 January 2016 11:16:28 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi Matabele,
>
> there is a brief mention on http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com about 
> installing on chrome:
>
> The chrome addon needs to be added locally. Right click the link below to 
> save the addon locally. (unzip it)
>
> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/raw/0.0.8/tiddlyclip.zip
>
> click the menu button then click "more tools" then extensions, then load 
> unpacked extension
>
> Note that tiddlyclip only works with tiddlywikis loaded as normal 
> webpages, not as apps.
>
> cheers
> BJ
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3:49:53 AM UTC, Matabele wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Please could you make an extension for Chrome, or, if there is one, 
>> describe how to install it (the repo on Github looks like it might contain 
>> one, but I can't wok out how to install it.)
>>
>> reagards
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:19:16 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
>>> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
>>> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
>>> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
>>> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[BJ]

Hi Matabele,

there is a brief mention on http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com about 
installing chrome:

The chrome addon needs to be added locally. Right click the link below to 
save the addon locally. (unzip it)

https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/raw/0.0.8/tiddlyclip.zip

click the menu button then click "more tools" then extensions, then load 
unpacked extension

Note that tiddlyclip only works with tiddlywikis loaded as normal webpages, 
not as apps.

cheers
BJ

On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3:49:53 AM UTC, Matabele wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Please could you make an extension for Chrome, or, if there is one, 
> describe how to install it (the repo on Github looks like it might contain 
> one, but I can't wok out how to install it.)
>
> reagards
>
> On Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:19:16 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
>> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
>> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
>> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
>> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>>
>> all the best
>>
>> BJ
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Matabele]

Hi

Just an idea: Would it not be possible to dock a wiki into TW Desktop, and 
clip from browsers into this docked wiki?

regards

On Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:19:16 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
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> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>
> all the best
>
> BJ
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Matabele]

Hi

Please could you make an extension for Chrome, or, if there is one, 
describe how to install it (the repo on Github looks like it might contain 
one, but I can't wok out how to install it.)

reagards

On Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:19:16 UTC+2, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am working on necessary changes to tiddlyclip in order support future 
> versions of firefox. As I am current focused on tiddlyclip, this would be a 
> good time to let me know of anything that you think could be improved or 
> added to tiddlyclip or its documentation, or maybe you have a particular 
> use or setup to share that could be added to tiddlyclip's website?
>
> all the best
>
> BJ
>

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[tw] Re: Feedback for TiddlyClip

[Mat]

Yes- how kind of you to ask!

As it is I cannot use TiddlyClip because it doesn't work if you browse with 
multiple browser windows. That's a dealbreaker for me. AFAIK, it is only 
possible to define the taget TW for the browser window where the browser 
tab of that TW appears. My way of working requires immediate access to a 
lot of stuff so I use multiple windows with multiple tabs (surely I can't 
be the only one?)

Thank you BJ!

<:-)

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