[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[progetti]

Ciao Jed Carty

One of things it could help me with is ALSO easier prepping of online 
read-only versions. Whilst one can hide, via CSS, unneeded interface, I 
prefer to delete EVERYTHING not essential. It can improve performance.

Josiah

On Friday, 20 May 2016 14:32:01 UTC+2, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It should be possible to create groupings of plugins that you install form 
> their normal sources with a single button. This may require some updates to 
> the plugin library code, but any changes would be part of what we want to 
> do anyway. 
> I am mostly interested in this because the same solution could be applied 
> to how twederation works and the plugin library and twederation should use 
> the same mechanisms. Jetlag is giving me some troubles but as of next 
> tuesday I will be finished with all my current contracts and I will 
> hopefully be putting more time into tiddlywiki.
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[Jed Carty]

It should be possible to create groupings of plugins that you install form 
their normal sources with a single button. This may require some updates to 
the plugin library code, but any changes would be part of what we want to 
do anyway. 
I am mostly interested in this because the same solution could be applied 
to how twederation works and the plugin library and twederation should use 
the same mechanisms. Jetlag is giving me some troubles but as of next 
tuesday I will be finished with all my current contracts and I will 
hopefully be putting more time into tiddlywiki.

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[wimm]

hi, just a suggestion (*italics steps* you have to do when set of tiddlers 
changes)


   1. export all required tiddlers as separate *JSON *files into a single 
   folder
   2. in your file manager select all exported JSON files, *drag* them to 
   the new wiki
   3. *create tiddler with tiddler text as shown below to delete_imported 
   tiddlers easily*
   4. press the *import *button
   5. *open the $:/import tiddler, remove the # signs,  *
   6. *copy the links like [[xxx]] [[yyy]] from text area *
   7. *paste links over [[title1]] [[title2]] in the extra tiddler *
   8. *export this tiddler as json for later re use in same folder as other 
   tiddlers*
   9. *save *your new wiki and *reload *wiki (plugins are now active)
   10. *use *the imported tiddlers
   11. search and open the delete_imported tiddlers
   12. press on the waste basket icons to delete the tiddlers


tiddler body for delete_imported tiddlers:

<$list filter="[[title1]] [[title2]]">

<$link to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>   [ <$view 
field="modifier"/>  <$view field="modified" format="date" template=" 
0MM0DD"/>] <$button 
message="tm-delete-tiddler" 
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/delete-button}}



output of delete_imported :

title1  modifier modify_date_mmdd waste_basket_icon
title2  modifier modify_date_mmdd waste_basket_icon

WiM

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[progetti]

Mat

TX. TiddlerBundles looks interesting. i will try it. the point is NOT, for 
me, they are shadows, per se. its that I can identify them. Shift them 
easily between TWs en bulk. Use them. Delete them.

i did NOT make as clear as i should that my question was as much about easy 
DELETING as transport. later.

Josiah

On Friday, 13 May 2016 23:06:15 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:11:08 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I haven't tried this, but it should work. [...]
>>
>
> Also untried but couldn't one just do it right away with the specific 
> plugins rather than having to first manually tag them (which splits them). 
> Plugins are basically big tiddler, no? And I'd say they can be rather 
> easily found in Tinka by filtering on [plugin-type[plugin]] etc.
>
> ...or better yet; TiddlerBundles 
>  - have also not 
> tried to bundle up plugins but, again, I think they're just big tiddlers
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[Mat]

On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:11:08 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I haven't tried this, but it should work. [...]
>

Also untried but couldn't one just do it right away with the specific 
plugins rather than having to first manually tag them (which splits them). 
Plugins are basically big tiddler, no? And I'd say they can be rather 
easily found in Tinka by filtering on [plugin-type[plugin]] etc.

...or better yet; TiddlerBundles 
 - have also not tried 
to bundle up plugins but, again, I think they're just big tiddlers

<:-)

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I haven't tried this, but it should work. Open up your plugins, and give 
each of the internal tiddlers a common tag. This will override them as 
shadow tiddlers.

Then repack them using the tinka plugin, using the new tag as the gathering 
identifier. Tinka is available here:

http://twguides.org/wiki/tinka.html

Now everything you want will be in one giant plugin which you can drag and 
drop and later delete.

Mark

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-7, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> I do hold back slightly, but on this I kinda think its a thought, maybe 
> others have thunk?
>
> That the best plugins one combines into ONE plugin to EASILY transport TW 
> to TW.
>
> HOW can one do  that? 
>
>
>
> *Is there an ethic for it?*AND A METHOD?
>
> Josiah
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[progetti]

Greg.

Yes. It would make life easier. Thanks  for the tip. I will try that, also 
saved as a list via Tobias Beers excellent saveable "Stories" so I don't 
have to find them again.

Basically I use MANY Plugins that I add to an new TW, mainly for preparing 
data, and then delete them when that phase is over. It would be easier to 
be able to wrap them as one group.

Best wishes
Josiah



On Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:28:28 UTC+2, Greg Davis wrote:
>
> If I understand correctly, you have several plugins that you would like to 
> have included each time you start a new TiddlyWiki. I had a similar 
> question which applies to plugins as well. [TW5] use JSON as alternative 
> to plugin 
>  I 
> tagged the tiddlers I wanted to include and using Advanced Search saved 
> them all as a JSON that could be imported to a new TW. This also has worked 
> with my favorite plugins. Tag the plugins you want, with a unique tag, and 
> then using Advanced Search save them as a JSON. You could also create 
> different groups of favorite plugins by using tags and saving appropriate 
> JSONs.
>
> Of course this wold not take care of updating for new versions but once a 
> new version is installed just save as JSON again and ready to go.
>
> See Example tiddlers at: Custom Left Menu 
> 
>
> Hope that helps,
> Greg
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 4:52:17 PM UTC-5, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>
>> i really like we share the same headache.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 22:33:30 UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:
>>>
>>> No solution, just a +1.
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[Greg Davis]

If I understand correctly, you have several plugins that you would like to 
have included each time you start a new TiddlyWiki. I had a similar 
question which applies to plugins as well. [TW5] use JSON as alternative to 
plugin  
I tagged the tiddlers I wanted to include and using Advanced Search saved 
them all as a JSON that could be imported to a new TW. This also has worked 
with my favorite plugins. Tag the plugins you want, with a unique tag, and 
then using Advanced Search save them as a JSON. You could also create 
different groups of favorite plugins by using tags and saving appropriate 
JSONs.

Of course this wold not take care of updating for new versions but once a 
new version is installed just save as JSON again and ready to go.

See Example tiddlers at: Custom Left Menu 


Hope that helps,
Greg

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 4:52:17 PM UTC-5, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> i really like we share the same headache.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 22:33:30 UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:
>>
>> No solution, just a +1.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[progetti]

it IS odd.

For TW type code you would EXPECT iteration.

will it?

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 22:51:50 UTC+2, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>
> I don't have a good solution.  What I ended up doing was creating my own 
> plugin library on github, and then I only need to copy that tiddler to new 
> files.  From there, I can install everything via the plugin library 
> mechanism.  This had the added benefit that only any given tiddler, I can 
> check to see if I've updated any of the plugins easily, and easily install 
> the updates.  But it doesn't help with other people's plugins unless I keep 
> up with copying and pasting them.  
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 1:37:29 PM UTC-4, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>
>> I do hold back slightly, but on this I kinda think its a thought, maybe 
>> others have thunk?
>>
>> That the best plugins one combines into ONE plugin to EASILY transport TW 
>> to TW.
>>
>> HOW can one do  that? 
>>
>>
>>
>> *Is there an ethic for it?*AND A METHOD?
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[progetti]

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 19:37:29 UTC+2, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> I do hold back slightly, but on this I kinda think its a thought, maybe 
> others have thunk?
>
> That the best plugins one combines into ONE plugin to EASILY transport TW 
> to TW.
>
> HOW can one do  that? 
>
>
>
> *Is there an ethic for it?*AND A METHOD?
>
> Josiah
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[progetti]

i really like we share the same headache.

On Wednesday, 11 May 2016 22:33:30 UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:
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> No solution, just a +1.
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[Matthew Lauber]

I don't have a good solution.  What I ended up doing was creating my own 
plugin library on github, and then I only need to copy that tiddler to new 
files.  From there, I can install everything via the plugin library 
mechanism.  This had the added benefit that only any given tiddler, I can 
check to see if I've updated any of the plugins easily, and easily install 
the updates.  But it doesn't help with other people's plugins unless I keep 
up with copying and pasting them.  

Matt


On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 1:37:29 PM UTC-4, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> I do hold back slightly, but on this I kinda think its a thought, maybe 
> others have thunk?
>
> That the best plugins one combines into ONE plugin to EASILY transport TW 
> to TW.
>
> HOW can one do  that? 
>
>
>
> *Is there an ethic for it?*AND A METHOD?
>
> Josiah
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: PLUGIN OF PLUGINS -- For Managing Multiple Tiddlywiki? Possible?

[Tobias Beer]

No solution, just a +1.

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