[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Thanks both for your feedback . Thanks Lost Admin for granting me access to 
your server. As soon as I get a computer with internet connection I'll check 

Regards 

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Lost Admin]

Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone in my experience with NoteSelf and 
Firefox.

That might also explain my issues as I was doing similar testing. It would 
also explain the different experience with different urls for the Noteself 
html file.

In my case, I used the developer tools as well. I used the Notself delete 
first (like you) but when I started experiencing issues, I used the 
developer tools to delete all the local data associated with the domain. I 
wonder if there is still some data that can't be deleted by the developer 
tools.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I've given up for the moment for NS firefox on cloudant. (posted in 
> another thread).
>
> I *think* what happened is that I deleted the NS database (to see if I 
> could). It deleted the actual database, but left cookies or something so 
> that I can't re-establish a connection to NS on cloudant. That is, the 
> delete was incomplete. I imagine if I used brand-new profile it would work 
> again. 
>
> Mark
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 11:53:43 PM UTC-7, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>> > Then I ran into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I 
>> chased down the issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply 
>> to my post about it. So I gave up on Noteself.
>>
>> I'm sorry about that Lost Admin, I don't have much time this days and 
>> it's very easy to miss a post (or many to be honest) on the Google group. 
>> I'm also sad about you giving up on Noteself.
>>
>> Regards 
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I've given up for the moment for NS firefox on cloudant. (posted in another 
thread).

I *think* what happened is that I deleted the NS database (to see if I 
could). It deleted the actual database, but left cookies or something so 
that I can't re-establish a connection to NS on cloudant. That is, the 
delete was incomplete. I imagine if I used brand-new profile it would work 
again. 

Mark

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 11:53:43 PM UTC-7, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> > Then I ran into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I 
> chased down the issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply 
> to my post about it. So I gave up on Noteself.
>
> I'm sorry about that Lost Admin, I don't have much time this days and it's 
> very easy to miss a post (or many to be honest) on the Google group. I'm 
> also sad about you giving up on Noteself.
>
> Regards 
>
>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Lost Admin]

Danielo,

Although you made Noteself, I don't blame you for missing it. I was 
disappointed that nobody else (anyone) even tried to confirm my results.

Additionally, before giving up, I did re-download the noteself empty.html 
and re-try it. I still get those errors on Firefox, but oddly only when 
serving up from lighttpd. My instance on Apache and running from a local 
file don't mess things up. So, I haven't quite given up. I'm just not 
comfortable with not understanding the peculiar situation.

If you point  your web browser at https://wiki.suntrap.ca/noteself.html you 
will be accessing my instance. Note, this is just the empty.html (or should 
be) from noteself.github.io. I'm running my own couchdb. At the moment I 
need to manually create new users and their databases, so it's not for 
general use. 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 2:53:43 AM UTC-4, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> > Then I ran into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I 
> chased down the issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply 
> to my post about it. So I gave up on Noteself.
>
> I'm sorry about that Lost Admin, I don't have much time this days and it's 
> very easy to miss a post (or many to be honest) on the Google group. I'm 
> also sad about you giving up on Noteself.
>
> Regards 
>
>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Danielo Rodríguez]

> Then I ran into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I chased 
> down the issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply to my 
> post about it. So I gave up on Noteself.

I'm sorry about that Lost Admin, I don't have much time this days and it's very 
easy to miss a post (or many to be honest) on the Google group. I'm also sad 
about you giving up on Noteself.

Regards 

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[TonyM]

If anyone can point me to instructions to install on a cPanel host I can host 
it in Sydney Australia for free or a small cost recovery.

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[mauloop]

I'm syncing Noteself with https://cloudno.de/. It works fine and has a free 
plan.

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Lost Admin]

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 11:37:25 AM UTC-4, Dragon Cotterill wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, my set-up does work properly and my CouchDB runs over 
>> a TLS connection so it's a pretty secure set-up.
>>
>
> Runs over TLS on a connection that doesn't use certificate pinning, so 
> it's not as secure as you think it is. 
>

It is as secure as I think it is. That is why I said "pretty secure" 
instead of "secure". I'm aware of the issues when pinning is not enabled. 
As Couchdb does not support it, I can't do much at this time. In any case, 
this is both a hobby and a test case.

I also (currently) don't have back-ups of the couchdb database(s) or a 
restore strategy. I haven't put the couchdb server in a jail. I haven't 
decided if server-side encryption would offer any real benefit. I haven't 
enabled mandatory access controls on the server to further restrict access 
to the data. I haven't got a web application firewall in place yet. I have 
a very primitive IDS in place. "Pretty secure" is not "production ready" 
but is, in my opinion, "hobby ready". Oh, and it's currently running on my 
home (DHCP assigned) address, which changes about once a week.

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TBH, I think we have got caught in the midst of a big change at IBM. 

What I'm gonna do is give it a week yet & look to see if its settled out in 
a way that makes sense for a starter. Commenting on what I can do now is 
NOT the point. The point is what Joe Newbie could. 

So, in a week, I'll try make another account on BlueMix and report back.

Best wishes
Josiah

Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I don't suppose you have instructions for how to get Noteself to work with 
> the weird Bluemix authentication ...
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> In my case, after making a FREE account, after 30 days they ask you to 
>> give a Credit Card Number to re-activate the account.
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Arlen Beiler]

As he said, "Lite plan services are deleted after 30 days of inactivity".
This is different than asking for your credit card. I would test it first
by making a test service and add a bit of data to see what happens after 30
days. I've been investigating other options a little, as I particularly
like NoteSelf in many ways.

Heroku is the best option for hosting your own server, but you still need a
storage mechanism.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Lost Admin  wrote:

> I don't suppose you have instructions for how to get Noteself to work with
> the weird Bluemix authentication or at least to allow fall-back to couchdb
> authentication?
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 9:18:08 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Danielo
>>
>> In my case, after making a FREE account, after 30 days they ask you to
>> give a Credit Card Number to re-activate the account. That does NOT mean
>> you have to pay anything. You only pay IF your traffic reaches levels that
>> I doubt any normal TW user ever would generate.
>>
>> The switch to Bluemix only IS a bit confusing, but its NOT a conspiracy
>> to rip you off, nor is it one to dump you.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Saturday, 19 August 2017 04:03:00 UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello passingby,
>>>
>>> I didn't tried to create an account recently, so I'm not sure about it,
>>> but several people is reporting that indeer it is now part of bluemix. I'm
>>> not sure what does this mean for the regular user, I have to investigate it
>>> a bit further. Anyway, if anyone have any experience I encourage them to
>>> post it here
>>>
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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Dragon Cotterill]

>
> For what it's worth, my set-up does work properly and my CouchDB runs over 
> a TLS connection so it's a pretty secure set-up.
>

Runs over TLS on a connection that doesn't use certificate pinning, so it's 
not as secure as you think it is. 

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Lost Admin]

I don't suppose you have instructions for how to get Noteself to work with 
the weird Bluemix authentication or at least to allow fall-back to couchdb 
authentication?

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 9:18:08 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Danielo
>
> In my case, after making a FREE account, after 30 days they ask you to 
> give a Credit Card Number to re-activate the account. That does NOT mean 
> you have to pay anything. You only pay IF your traffic reaches levels that 
> I doubt any normal TW user ever would generate.
>
> The switch to Bluemix only IS a bit confusing, but its NOT a conspiracy to 
> rip you off, nor is it one to dump you.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 19 August 2017 04:03:00 UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>> Hello passingby,
>>
>> I didn't tried to create an account recently, so I'm not sure about it, 
>> but several people is reporting that indeer it is now part of bluemix. I'm 
>> not sure what does this mean for the regular user, I have to investigate it 
>> a bit further. Anyway, if anyone have any experience I encourage them to 
>> post it here
>>
>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Danielo

In my case, after making a FREE account, after 30 days they ask you to give 
a Credit Card Number to re-activate the account. That does NOT mean you 
have to pay anything. You only pay IF your traffic reaches levels that I 
doubt any normal TW user ever would generate.

The switch to Bluemix only IS a bit confusing, but its NOT a conspiracy to 
rip you off, nor is it one to dump you.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 19 August 2017 04:03:00 UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello passingby,
>
> I didn't tried to create an account recently, so I'm not sure about it, 
> but several people is reporting that indeer it is now part of bluemix. I'm 
> not sure what does this mean for the regular user, I have to investigate it 
> a bit further. Anyway, if anyone have any experience I encourage them to 
> post it here
>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[Lost Admin]

There is (or was) another couchdb service provider, but they don't have a 
free tier. I can't remember the name off-hand and a quick google search of 
"hosted couchdb" shows several options.

Another choice would be to host your own on a VPS. There are a great many 
options in this space for reasonable rates. Linode, Digital Ocean, 
Liteserver.nl, OVH all have pretty inexpensive monthly fees.


Just after the conversion from cloudant to bluemix, I was trying to set-up 
Noteself and ran into the same problem as you. I ended up running Couchdb 
on my home computer and making it accessible from the Internet. Then I ran 
into issues with Noteself reloading when using Firefox. I chased down the 
issue as far as I could but haven't seen anyone else reply to my post about 
it. So I gave up on Noteself.

Assuming this link works, my write-up on the issue is 
here: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/sTAGedJxe6k/WU6vJLXlAwAJ;context-place=forum/tiddlywiki


For what it's worth, my set-up does work properly and my CouchDB runs over 
a TLS connection so it's a pretty secure set-up.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 1:36:52 PM UTC-4, passingby wrote:
>
> Reading the link it says "Lite plan services are deleted after 30 days of 
> inactivity". That's problematic. Is there any other option ? 
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 7:47:56 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>>
>> https://console.bluemix.net/catalog/services/cloudant-nosql-db
>>
>> -m
>>
>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[passingby]

Reading the link it says "Lite plan services are deleted after 30 days of 
inactivity". That's problematic. Is there any other option ? 

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 7:47:56 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> https://console.bluemix.net/catalog/services/cloudant-nosql-db
>
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: can we still create a couchdb instance on cloudant

[PMario]

HI,

https://console.bluemix.net/catalog/services/cloudant-nosql-db

-m

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