subject:"\[tw5\] Re\: \[TW5\] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes"

I think it's having trouble with images I loaded into a Wiki. For one of my 
wikis, I'm getting:

Bob error: includeWikis is not supported yet!
{ Error: EPERM: operation not permitted, read
at Object.fs.readSync (fs.js:634:3)
at Object.fs.readSync (pkg/prelude/bootstrap.js:550:32)
at tryReadSync (fs.js:474:20)
at Object.fs.readFileSync (fs.js:507:19)
at Object.fs.readFileSync (pkg/prelude/bootstrap.js:679:36)
at Object.$tw.loadMetadataForFile 
(C:\snapshot\BobEXE\TiddlyWiki5\boot\boot.
js:1523:35)
at Object.$tw.loadTiddlersFromFile 
(C:\snapshot\BobEXE\TiddlyWiki5\boot\boot
.js:1511:18)
at Object.$tw.loadTiddlersFromPath 
(C:\snapshot\BobEXE\TiddlyWiki5\boot\boot
.js:1558:22)
at C:\snapshot\BobEXE\TiddlyWiki5\boot\boot.js:1553:40
at Object.$tw.utils.each 
(C:\snapshot\BobEXE\TiddlyWiki5\boot\boot.js:69:12)
 errno: -4048, syscall: 'read', code: 'EPERM' }


I don't understand C:\snapshot\BobEXE... at all, since that is not where 
Bob is installed. The $tw.loadMetadataForFile is what makes me think it 
might be related to images.

Thanks!
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes


It is set this way so that when I break the settings it still starts. The 
in wiki interface protects against things like misplaced commas.


But what about when the auto-populate generates a zero-byte file? So, the 
wiki interface may not be bullet proof. 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

It is set this way so that when I break the settings it still starts. The 
in wiki interface protects against things like misplaced commas.

Unfortunately adding a setting to change the behaviour would be in the 
settings.json file which kind of defeats the purpose.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes


This is just my opinion, but it appears that the default response to errors 
in the settings.json file is to write over the settings.json file, without 
making a backup and without asking the user. This may actually be deleting 
a lot of time-consuming setup info. It would be better, I think, if Bob 
gave the user a warning and then closed without starting. This gives the 
user a chance to fix whatever is wrong -- which may be only a single 
misplaced comma!

Thanks!
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

It is documented 
here: 
https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/blob/master/Documentation/Serving%20Files.tid

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Can file images be served from only one place, or from multiple wikis? I 
was pretty sure you were working on the latter option, but I don't see it 
mentioned in the documentation or configuration file.

Thanks!
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Setting up the Wikis by hand seems to work. So it appears that the 
auto-populate generates a zero-byte file. Maybe those windows \ slash 
symbols mess with parsing?

With wikis working, I notice this error:

Bob error: includeWikis is not supported yet!

But don't know what that refers to.

Thanks!
-- Mark


On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Do I need to move IndexWiki too? Where is the real settings.json file kept?
>
> I tried it with the two paths both changed as suggested. Restart. Tell it 
> to auto-populate. Looks promising. I can see it is identifying the Wikis. 
> But they don't appear in the side list. Looking in the file structure, I 
> see IndexWiki/settings/settings.json has 0 bytes. Where is it really 
> writing the settings?
>
> I restart Bob, and get this message at the top:
>
> NodeSettings - Malformed settings. Using empty de
> NodeSettings - Check settings. Maybe comma error?
>
> All defaults are reset.
>
> It appears to me that after auto-populating, Bob creates a zero-byte 
> settings.json file. This causes it to reset to default on the next boot.
>
> Maybe if I just wrote the file by hand ... ??
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 12:00:23 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> It looks like there is a bug in the function to find the available wikis. 
>> Try setting wikiPathBase to 'D:\Data', that may work until I get around to 
>> releasing the next BobEXE release.
>>
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Do I need to move IndexWiki too? Where is the real settings.json file kept?

I tried it with the two paths both changed as suggested. Restart. Tell it 
to auto-populate. Looks promising. I can see it is identifying the Wikis. 
But they don't appear in the side list. Looking in the file structure, I 
see IndexWiki/settings/settings.json has 0 bytes. Where is it really 
writing the settings?

I restart Bob, and get this message at the top:

NodeSettings - Malformed settings. Using empty de
NodeSettings - Check settings. Maybe comma error?

All defaults are reset.

It appears to me that after auto-populating, Bob creates a zero-byte 
settings.json file. This causes it to reset to default on the next boot.

Maybe if I just wrote the file by hand ... ??

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 12:00:23 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It looks like there is a bug in the function to find the available wikis. 
> Try setting wikiPathBase to 'D:\Data', that may work until I get around to 
> releasing the next BobEXE release.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

It looks like there is a bug in the function to find the available wikis. 
Try setting wikiPathBase to 'D:\Data', that may work until I get around to 
releasing the next BobEXE release.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

When I try BobExe on windows, it doesn't populate the side list. 
I set "wikisPath": to "D:\data\Wikis" and tell the configuration to 
auto-update. I see that it is able to find the wikis and write them in the 
configuration file. But the wikis don't appear in the side list.
I restart Bob to see if that is the problem. 

I get the error:

new connection
Error getting wiki paths { Error: ENOENT: no such file or directory, 
scandir 'C:
\Apps\Bob-1-2-2-r6\Wikis'
at Object.fs.readdirSync (fs.js:895:3)
at Object.fs.readdirSync (pkg/prelude/bootstrap.js:780:35)
at getRealPaths ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/NodeMessageHandlers.js:1644:35)
at Object.$tw.nodeMessageHandlers.findAvailableWikis 
($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob
/NodeMessageHandlers.js:1695:25)
at WebSocket.$tw.Bob.handleMessage 
($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/NodeWebSocketsSet
up.js:151:52)
at WebSocket.emit (events.js:182:13)
at Receiver.receiverOnMessage 
($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/websoc
ket.js:720:20)
at Receiver.emit (events.js:182:13)
at Receiver.dataMessage 
($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/receiver.js:
415:14)
at Receiver.getData 
($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/receiver.js:347:
17)
  errno: -4058,
  syscall: 'scandir',
  code: 'ENOENT',
  path: 'C:\\Apps\\Bob-1-2-2-r6\\Wikis' }
Wrote settings file


It seems to want to still use C:\\Apps\\Bob-1-2-2-r6\\Wikis, and not the 
WikisPath. Or do I need to change the path in two places?

Thanks!
-- Mark
On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 3:43:14 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Bob is a plugin, so nothing should need to be changed as far as node is 
> concerned. To set bob up you clone the repo into your plugins folder then 
> the command to start is
>
> node tidddlywiki.js /path/to/wiki --wsserver
>
> there are no other command line arguments because I am very bad at command 
> line arguments.
>
> it will by default serve on 8080, you can change this from inside the wiki 
> or edit the settings.json that will be created in a settings folder. You 
> can edit that manually or from inside the wiki to change settings.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Bob is a plugin, so nothing should need to be changed as far as node is 
concerned. To set bob up you clone the repo into your plugins folder then 
the command to start is

node tidddlywiki.js /path/to/wiki --wsserver

there are no other command line arguments because I am very bad at command 
line arguments.

it will by default serve on 8080, you can change this from inside the wiki 
or edit the settings.json that will be created in a settings folder. You 
can edit that manually or from inside the wiki to change settings.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-17 Thread Paul Richards

Hi Jed, sorry for not responding sooner...work got in the way I'm afraid. 
Thanks for the comprehensive post.

Bob sounds very promising...a *lot* of work for you. One question..do I need to 
make any changes to my node.js setup on the pi to allow Bob to work? Or do I 
need to make a clean install?

Cheers Paul.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-06 Thread Stefan Pfister

Jed, can you post your raspi configuration of tw bob? I would like to use
this too on my raspi nas. Thanks, Stefan

Jed Carty  schrieb am Sa., 6. Apr. 2019, 13:44:

> Paul,
>
> Bob is a plugin that replaces the server component of the normal node
> tiddlywiki. The big differentiating features are that it has close to
> real-time updates to sync tiddlers between any connected browsers and the
> harddrive, multi-user features so multiple people can use and edit the same
> wiki at the same time, and features to create and manage wikis within the
> wiki itself.
>
> Edits made to tiddlers outside a wiki will appear in all of the browsers
> viewing that wiki almost immediately. The syncing also goes the same way,
> so if you have two browsers that are viewing the same wiki if you edit one
> of them the edits show up in the other one. This allows multiple people to
> use the same wiki at the same time without conflicting edits or losing
> information. Unfortunately this isn't the same sort of real-time
> collaboration like on google docs where you see someone else typing,
> instead when someone starts to edit a tiddler it locks that tiddler in
> every other connected browser and shows the changes after the editing is
> finished.
>
> The wiki management features include the ability to share a plugin library
> between all wikis served by Bob, creating new wikis from within Bob,
> converting single file wikis into node wikis, exporting node wikis as
> single file wikis with the unneeded plugins stripped out, and just about
> every configuration setting for the server can be set and modified from
> within the wiki itself. You can also fetch plugins directly from GitHub
> instead of having to drag and drop them into wikis.
>
> Within the next week or two I will add the ability to rename/move, delete,
> and duplicate wikis as well. And I am in the process of adding syncing
> between servers so that you could have a version on your laptop and on the
> pi at home and the two versions would sync when you are on the same network.
>
> I have it running on a raspberry pi 3 on my home network and it hasn't
> given me any trouble. I added a line to rc.local to start up the server
> process when the pi boots.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-06 Thread Jed Carty

Paul,

Bob is a plugin that replaces the server component of the normal node
tiddlywiki. The big differentiating features are that it has close to
real-time updates to sync tiddlers between any connected browsers and the
harddrive, multi-user features so multiple people can use and edit the same
wiki at the same time, and features to create and manage wikis within the
wiki itself.

Edits made to tiddlers outside a wiki will appear in all of the browsers
viewing that wiki almost immediately. The syncing also goes the same way,
so if you have two browsers that are viewing the same wiki if you edit one
of them the edits show up in the other one. This allows multiple people to
use the same wiki at the same time without conflicting edits or losing
information. Unfortunately this isn't the same sort of real-time
collaboration like on google docs where you see someone else typing,
instead when someone starts to edit a tiddler it locks that tiddler in
every other connected browser and shows the changes after the editing is
finished.

The wiki management features include the ability to share a plugin library
between all wikis served by Bob, creating new wikis from within Bob,
converting single file wikis into node wikis, exporting node wikis as
single file wikis with the unneeded plugins stripped out, and just about
every configuration setting for the server can be set and modified from
within the wiki itself. You can also fetch plugins directly from GitHub
instead of having to drag and drop them into wikis.

Within the next week or two I will add the ability to rename/move, delete,
and duplicate wikis as well. And I am in the process of adding syncing
between servers so that you could have a version on your laptop and on the
pi at home and the two versions would sync when you are on the same network.

I have it running on a raspberry pi 3 on my home network and it hasn't
given me any trouble. I added a line to rc.local to start up the server
process when the pi boots.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-04 Thread TonyM

Jed,

I deleted the '$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/Wiki Listing" which was an overridden 
system tiddler and the fault was corrected. Thanks for your help

Nesting wikis will be helpful, especially once I learn how to manage a 
single plugin store etc...

Thanks for Bob.

Tony

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> Tony,
>
>
> Try deleting the tiddler '$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/Wiki Listing', it may be 
> a template problem. Because that tiddler has a tag added to it to make it 
> appear in the sidebar it is no longer a shadow tiddler and isn't updated 
> when Bob is updated. I am looking into how to fix this.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread Jed Carty

The __path entries are the path for a wiki that is at that level, nothing 
more. The reason is that if you have an entry like "foo": "/path/to/foo" in 
the settings than you can't list any wikis under foo, so now it is 

"foo":{
   __path:"path/to/foo",
   bar: {
__path:"path/to/bar"
   }
}

so you would have a wiki on localhost:8080/foo and a wiki on 
localhost:8080/foo/bar. To make a wiki like this you just put the name in 
as foo/bar and it does the nesting and sets up the settings file 
automatically.

The wikiPathBase setting lets you set the path to where your Wikis folder 
is. In the case of BobEXE it defaults to the folder where the executable 
is, for the plugin version it defaults to wherever the command is run. You 
don't have to touch this if you are using BobEXE with wikis you create in 
the in-wiki interface. If you use absolute paths than this has no effect.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread Jed Carty

Tony,


Try deleting the tiddler '$:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/Wiki Listing', it may be a 
template problem. Because that tiddler has a tag added to it to make it 
appear in the sidebar it is no longer a shadow tiddler and isn't updated 
when Bob is updated. I am looking into how to fix this.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread TonyM

Jed et al..

My master wiki has all my wikis listed as 
"http://127.0.0.1:8084/Registry/__path; and opens that 
path http://127.0.0.1:8084/Registry/__path

Removing "/__path" from the address in the browser opens the intended wiki.

All wikis but the master wiki have the correct available wikis list.

eg Registry gives http://127.0.0.1:8084/Registry

Regards
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread Birthe C

Tony,

You need the path to were your wiki folders are. My wikis are in 
"/home/lenovo/Dokumenter/TWfolders"
wikiPathBase, the base path for wiki..at least I think.


Hope you find a solution, Tony

Birthe

onsdag den 3. april 2019 kl. 09.13.19 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> Bithe,
>
> Do you mean "the "__path" is *now* the short way repeating the path 
> in  "wikiPathBase" ?
>
> Can I assume your Bob.exe is located in the folder 
> "/home/lenovo/Dokumenter/TWfolders"
>
> I placed "C:\Data\TW5\Instances\Bob" in the wikiPathBase with no change.
>
> Sad
>
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread TonyM

Bithe,

Do you mean "the "__path" is *now* the short way repeating the path 
in  "wikiPathBase" ?

Can I assume your Bob.exe is located in the folder 
"/home/lenovo/Dokumenter/TWfolders"

I placed "C:\Data\TW5\Instances\Bob" in the wikiPathBase with no change.

Sad

Tony


On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:41:10 PM UTC+11, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Mine too, Tony.
>
> With each wiki defined link this
>> "wikis": { 
>>"5.1.18-PreRelease": {
>>  "__path": "5.1.18-PreRelease"
>>}, 
>>
>
> the "__path" is that not the short way of repeating the path 
> in  "wikiPathBase"
>
> Birthe 
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread Birthe C

Mine too, Tony.

With each wiki defined link this
> "wikis": { 
>"5.1.18-PreRelease": {
>  "__path": "5.1.18-PreRelease"
>}, 
>

the "__path" is that not the short way of repeating the path 
in  "wikiPathBase"

Birthe 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread Birthe C

Tony,
In my settings,

  "wikisPath": "./Wikis",
  "wikiPathBase": "/home/lenovo/Dokumenter/TWfolders",

Then it finds what is under that path. 

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-03 Thread TonyM

Birthe,

The setting you mention reads
 "wikiPathBase": ".", 

  With 
"wikisPath":"./Wikis",

With each wiki defined link this
"wikis": { 
   "5.1.18-PreRelease": {
 "__path": "5.1.18-PreRelease"
   }, 

I tried making  "wikiPathBase": ".",  like "wikisPath":"./Wikis", but no 
change is observed.

Thanks for some help
Tony

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 4:27:10 PM UTC+11, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
> Did you look in your settings.json, 
> "WikisPathBase":
> After runnning Bob the first time, it has my path correct and my wikis are 
> found, links working.
>
> I have to set Bob to not open in browser automatically for it to work on 
> my computer before running Bob, but that is the only reason for me to look 
> in the settings.json. It is very automatic now.
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-02 Thread Birthe C

Hi Tony,
Did you look in your settings.json, 
"WikisPathBase":
After runnning Bob the first time, it has my path correct and my wikis are 
found, links working.

I have to set Bob to not open in browser automatically for it to work on my 
computer before running Bob, but that is the only reason for me to look in 
the settings.json. It is very automatic now.


Birthe



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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-02 Thread TonyM

Jed,

I have only raised the  ⚒.tid issue to simply put it on your radar and if 
you had any suggestions. I think this may have being the cause of me not 
being able to "import" other wikis into bob.

In my sentence 'Auto Populate and Remove links to missing wikis is not 
regenerating this list without __path' I was just telling you I used Bobs 
facility to regenerate the list of wikis from the folders.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 7:17:27 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> That is how the settings.json is supposed to look. That is what the third 
> line in the changelog in the original post is talking about. It is required 
> to allow wikis to be hosted on paths that contain other wikis, otherwise I 
> have no way to list in the settings that you can have a wiki called foo and 
> a wiki called foo/bar.
> And I am sorry, but I don't know how to interpret 'Auto Populate and 
> Remove links to missing wikis is not regenerating this list without __path'.
>
> Windows is the bane of my existence, at least in the context of developing 
> Bob. If windows doesn't support unicode filenames than I do not think that 
> I can do much about it. Although in this case it may be a limitation of the 
> zip implementation if the wiki works other than not being able to be put 
> into a zip file.
>
> There shouldn't be any problem renaming tid files regardless of what is in 
> their titles. But if you do this with Bob running it won't work and the 
> tiddler files will have their names changed back to match the tiddler 
> title. If you change the title than the filename will change so that is an 
> option, or you could change the filenames manually before ziping it, but 
> this seems like a time consuming solution.
>
> If you change a the name of a .tid file with running than Bob will change 
> it back to match the tiddler title, respecting the modifications from the 
> FileSystemPaths filters you may have. So if unicode titles are giving you a 
> problem on your system you have to change the titles to have it may any 
> effect. I can see about adding a no unicode filename option for systems 
> that don't support it. This may cause some confusion because then you would 
> have filenames that look like %23%45%24.tid or something like that, but it 
> may remove the filename problem.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-02 Thread TonyM

Jed,

I am fine with the settings looking however you decide. My problem at 
present is my available wikis list looks like this and the links do not 
work;

[image: 2019-04-03_9-43-36.jpg]


For example Clicking opens a URL like 
this http://127.0.0.1:8084/5.1.18-PreRelease/__path which 
fails, http://127.0.0.1:8084/5.1.18-PreRelease works.


I want to do nothing except restore working links. I expect its an artifact 
of an intermediate version of bob, and possibly a one off, I just need 
advice on how to reset these correctly.


Thanks in advance


Regards

Tony

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 7:17:27 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> That is how the settings.json is supposed to look. That is what the third 
> line in the changelog in the original post is talking about. It is required 
> to allow wikis to be hosted on paths that contain other wikis, otherwise I 
> have no way to list in the settings that you can have a wiki called foo and 
> a wiki called foo/bar.
> And I am sorry, but I don't know how to interpret 'Auto Populate and 
> Remove links to missing wikis is not regenerating this list without __path'.
>
> Windows is the bane of my existence, at least in the context of developing 
> Bob. If windows doesn't support unicode filenames than I do not think that 
> I can do much about it. Although in this case it may be a limitation of the 
> zip implementation if the wiki works other than not being able to be put 
> into a zip file.
>
> There shouldn't be any problem renaming tid files regardless of what is in 
> their titles. But if you do this with Bob running it won't work and the 
> tiddler files will have their names changed back to match the tiddler 
> title. If you change the title than the filename will change so that is an 
> option, or you could change the filenames manually before ziping it, but 
> this seems like a time consuming solution.
>
> If you change a the name of a .tid file with running than Bob will change 
> it back to match the tiddler title, respecting the modifications from the 
> FileSystemPaths filters you may have. So if unicode titles are giving you a 
> problem on your system you have to change the titles to have it may any 
> effect. I can see about adding a no unicode filename option for systems 
> that don't support it. This may cause some confusion because then you would 
> have filenames that look like %23%45%24.tid or something like that, but it 
> may remove the filename problem.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-02 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Jed

I find Bob an amazing piece of work.

You are a seriously brilliant programmer.

I will install and test over the next few weeks.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-02 Thread Birthe C

Hi Jed,

This is working as super duper Friendly Bob for me.
Creating wiki from html is still creating 2 or 3 NewWiki, as we have 
discussed before. Renaming one of them and deleting the rest is no problem. 
It is listed correctly in Available Wikis.
At first it worried me, that all the first created NewWikies were still in 
the settings file. I thought that file would grow enormously if it did that 
for every wiki created from html. But I am stupid, they are in the 
settings, but have of course the same names, NewWiki, so it does not grow. 
And it does not matter as they are not shown in the Available Wikis.
I am very happy.

Birthe

tirsdag den 2. april 2019 kl. 10.17.27 UTC+2 skrev Jed Carty:
>
> Tony,
>
> That is how the settings.json is supposed to look. That is what the third 
> line in the changelog in the original post is talking about. It is required 
> to allow wikis to be hosted on paths that contain other wikis, otherwise I 
> have no way to list in the settings that you can have a wiki called foo and 
> a wiki called foo/bar.
> And I am sorry, but I don't know how to interpret 'Auto Populate and 
> Remove links to missing wikis is not regenerating this list without __path'.
>
> Windows is the bane of my existence, at least in the context of developing 
> Bob. If windows doesn't support unicode filenames than I do not think that 
> I can do much about it. Although in this case it may be a limitation of the 
> zip implementation if the wiki works other than not being able to be put 
> into a zip file.
>
> There shouldn't be any problem renaming tid files regardless of what is in 
> their titles. But if you do this with Bob running it won't work and the 
> tiddler files will have their names changed back to match the tiddler 
> title. If you change the title than the filename will change so that is an 
> option, or you could change the filenames manually before ziping it, but 
> this seems like a time consuming solution.
>
> If you change a the name of a .tid file with running than Bob will change 
> it back to match the tiddler title, respecting the modifications from the 
> FileSystemPaths filters you may have. So if unicode titles are giving you a 
> problem on your system you have to change the titles to have it may any 
> effect. I can see about adding a no unicode filename option for systems 
> that don't support it. This may cause some confusion because then you would 
> have filenames that look like %23%45%24.tid or something like that, but it 
> may remove the filename problem.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-02 Thread Jed Carty

Tony,

That is how the settings.json is supposed to look. That is what the third
line in the changelog in the original post is talking about. It is required
to allow wikis to be hosted on paths that contain other wikis, otherwise I
have no way to list in the settings that you can have a wiki called foo and
a wiki called foo/bar.
And I am sorry, but I don't know how to interpret 'Auto Populate and Remove
links to missing wikis is not regenerating this list without __path'.

Windows is the bane of my existence, at least in the context of developing
Bob. If windows doesn't support unicode filenames than I do not think that
I can do much about it. Although in this case it may be a limitation of the
zip implementation if the wiki works other than not being able to be put
into a zip file.

There shouldn't be any problem renaming tid files regardless of what is in
their titles. But if you do this with Bob running it won't work and the
tiddler files will have their names changed back to match the tiddler
title. If you change the title than the filename will change so that is an
option, or you could change the filenames manually before ziping it, but
this seems like a time consuming solution.

If you change a the name of a .tid file with running than Bob will change
it back to match the tiddler title, respecting the modifications from the
FileSystemPaths filters you may have. So if unicode titles are giving you a
problem on your system you have to change the titles to have it may any
effect. I can see about adding a no unicode filename option for systems
that don't support it. This may cause some confusion because then you would
have filenames that look like %23%45%24.tid or something like that, but it
may remove the filename problem.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-01 Thread TonyM

Jed,

I am back at my office and installed 1.2.2r6 (latest as at writing). 

As suggested by you I can access the correct address without __path but the 
wiki listing persists in adding __path. Auto Populate and Remove links to 
missing wikis is not regenerating this list wityhout __path

In the manual settings I see

"wikis": { 
   "5.1.18-PreRelease": {
 "__path": "5.1.18-PreRelease"
   }, 

   
Should I just modify these entries? if so how please ?

On a related note when I tried to zip all my wikis as a backup I could not 
do so because a number of wikis have a tiddler called ⚒.tid which seems 
invalid in the Windows file system and I can't search for this in TW or 
Windows. Is it safe for me to rename the ⚒.tid files to fix this?

I can find these tiddlers ⚒.tid in a given wiki with
<$list filter="[search[⚒]]">



Regards
Tony


On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 8:41:31 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Of course no bug free software survives the first contact with people.
>
> Birthe,
> I may have fixed the naming problem you ran into. I can't be sure because 
> I haven't been able to replicate it, I am not sure if that is because I am 
> doing something differently than you are or if the 32bit version is somehow 
> different. I am uploading a version with a naming bug I found patched which 
> could cause an infinite loop when generating names which could cause what 
> you are describing. I am uploading a patched version now that will 
> hopefully work.
>
> I may have to name the next version Potato Friends in honour of my not 
> being able to spell.
>
> Tony,
> That is an error that I had before and made a fix for, hopefully I just 
> didn't upload the correct windows executable to GitHub. I am uploading 
> versions with a bug in the code that ensures that each wiki has a different 
> name, please try that and see if it still appends __path to the end of the 
> names. Also if you have a moment to try, try going opening up the other 
> wikis by entering the urls, they should be the same as what is listed but 
> without '__path' at the end. If that works it is just a display problem and 
> not some strange difference between operating systems again.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-04-01 Thread Jed Carty

I just made another update to Bob. It now supports unicode wiki names and 
names with spaces. This includes emoji wiki names and many languages that 
don't use the latin alphabet.

So now Bob is on version 1.2.2r6 and 'Things are done ✅' and 꿀벌 are both 
usable wiki names. 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

2019-03-31 Thread Jed Carty

BIG NOTE OF DOOM: THIS IS VERY EXPERIMENTAL
I haven't run into bugs, but as this thread demonstrates that doesn't mean
that there aren't a lot of them. Back everything up before trying out the
new features.

That said, because I can't let things go, now you can get plugins directly
from GitHub repos when using Bob. The same thing can be extended to Themes
and Editions without too much trouble but I haven't done that yet.
Languages too but I don't think that would be as useful, I don't think
anyone is doing a translation that isn't available in the main plugin
library.

To use this you find the url of a GitHub repo for a tiddlywiki plugin (like
https://github.com/OokTech/RandomValue ), open up the control panel -> bob
settings -> fetch plugins and put the url into the text box in that tab and
click Save Plugin to Server, after you do that you can go to the Manage
Plugins tab and click Update Plugin List and the new plugin should be
included in the list and ready to be used in your wikis.

The updated bit of the changelog is here:

- You can now fetch plugins directly from github. (VERY EXPERIMENTAL)
- This required two external modules that are now included in the Bob
plugin
- An updated (and not backwards compatible) jszip
- follow-redirects
- On GitHub.com or GitLab.com you can give the repo url to get the plugin
- For github the repo url will be something like this
`https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-RandomValue`, there is some special
handling to get the zip url from the repo url for github.
- for gitlab the repo url will be something like this
`https://gitlab.com/inmysocks/ookbot`, there is also special handling to
get the url for the zip from gitlab.com repos.
- Anywhere else you have to give the full url for the zip file itself.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

There is now a manage themes interface like the manage plugins interface. 
Eventually I need to add a way to get themes and plugins off of GitHub. But 
that is a future jed problem.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

One bug I have seen is sometimes when you convert an html wiki into a Bob
wiki it ignores the name you give it and it defaults to NewWiki (or
NewWiki5 or whatever the next number would be, it doesn't overwrite
anything) instead of the name you want it to use. I haven't found a
consistent cause for this but larger html files seem to be more likely to
get the wrong name from my very tiny number of tests. But renaming the
folder on the file system will rename the wiki as a work-around for now.

Berthe,

For now to use the themes folder you have to do things manually, the
benefit of the folder right now is that you don't have to set environment
variables to set the location of themes. Copy the theme into the Themes
folder the same way as the plugins folder. Themes go inside an author
folder the same as the default themes, like tiddlywiki/snowwhite. When you
put a theme in the Themes folder than you can add it to the tiddlywiki.info
file for a wiki and it should work. In the future I will add a way to
manage themes the same way as plugins and hopefully make something to help
creating new themes.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Jed,

Created from Empty, right name and no repeats, opdated Available list. 
Creating from html, created one folder named NewWiki.
You nailed it! No multiple wiki creation.

Now how do we use the Themes folder?

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Hi Jed,

No that is not the one I am running right now. I'll go get it now and test 
it.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Berthe,

Are you using 1.2.2r3? I just uploaded it a few minutes ago, it has what I 
hope is a fix for the multiple wiki creation problem, but if you are 
already using it than I guess it didn't fix it.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Hi Jed,

My wikis found automatically. Creating new from Edition, Empty created the 
right name, but two of them.
Creating from html, stil got NewWiki - 1, 2 and 3. But they are found too. 
I do have slow hardware, it just doesn't feel that way using Tiddlywiki and 
now also Bob.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

I just put out 1.2.2r2 with some other simple fixes.

The additional changes are:

- (BobEXE) the Wikis, Plugins, Themes and Editions folders are all now 
created automatically in a default location in the same folder as the 
executable.
- Fixed another bug that would sometimes allow a wiki with the same name as 
an existing wiki to be created
- You can now access the full settings interface from any wiki by checking 
a box in the control panel.

This has fixed most of the problems with converting html wikis to Bob 
wikis, but still be careful with testing. It doesn't always update the list 
of available wikis automatically, but clicking the update list button 
should take care of that. I am still looking at how to reliably update the 
list automatically on slower hardware. Also I have only been able to test 
on 64 bit linux and osx, so I don't know if windows is still listing the 
wrong urls.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Jed, The new wikis from html do show up after updating the list in the 
control panel. And I just deleted the superfluos NewWiki 1 2 and 3 and 
renamed one of them the name I wanted. That do show up in the list now. I 
am very happy as it is an old wiki with lots of beautytricks ;-)...enormous 
and now it runs beautifully.

Creating from edition, Empty gets the right name and is placed in the Wikis 
folder under Bob, but it does not show up in the wikis list. Maybe the 
settings?

Jed, you are creating complicated software and then it is run by all sorts 
of users on all sorts of systems. But we love it.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

I am glad that it feels quicker, at least the memory parts that I added may 
be working. I have run into a lot of bugs that I didn't notice yesterday 
with creating wikis from html files and it is very unstable right now. I am 
working on it. Do the wikis show up if you update the list manually using 
the button in the control panel? If so than it is because creating the wiki 
takes longer than the timer I am using to run the update function for the 
list. I need to find a better way to set that up.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Hi Jed,

Boblinux32: Creating a new wiki from html, this time around "only" created 
NewWiki and 3 numbered ones also. But it did *not* go on an on and on. I do 
enter a name for the new wiki but that has not worked in any of the 
releases for me. Available Wikis list show all 4 of them.

Creating from Edition, Empty does create a new wiki in the Wikis folder and 
with the name i wanted. Nothing is shown in the Available Wikis list.

It feels quicker and my computer is not heating this time.

Thank you for all your work, Jed,


Birthe


lørdag den 30. marts 2019 kl. 11.20.35 UTC+1 skrev Jed Carty:
>
> Make sure you back up your data before testing these things. Always put 
> the new version into its own folder and try it out there first.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.2 Friend Potatoes

Make sure you back up your data before testing these things. Always put the 
new version into its own folder and try it out there first.

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