caching nightmare
Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I'm having a nightmare with the caching in my webapp. I asked a colleague to look at it and he's baffled too. It's probably something to do with the resource bundles. I had everything in an English and also a German .properties file, for testing purposes, but then decided to ditch the German version until it's completely finished. Even though I deleted the German .properties file, shutdown tomcat, deleted the whole webapp and redeployed and deleted the cache in $CATALINA_HOME/work/ , the German strings are still being cached somewhere. I have run a grep on the German string to find it in any file in the whole of the tomcat install directory, but haven't found it. In the HTTP headers, I have set pragma=no-cache, cache-control=no-cache expires=Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT I have cleared the cache from my browser and done refreshes a thousand times. Could it be cached anywhere else on my machine between tomcat and the browser? Adam -- struts 1.1 + tomcat 5.0.16 + java 1.4.2 Linux 2.4.20 Debian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: caching nightmare
Yes, in a proxy. Caching proxies are use by some internet providers and they are often used inside corporate networks. If we want to be shure that an url is not cached, we not only set the response headers, but also append a unique id to the url that changes with every request. (As parameter) -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:04 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: caching nightmare times. Could it be cached anywhere else on my machine between tomcat and the browser? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: caching nightmare
Yes, tried that random querystring on the url, but no joy. When I switch the language from German back to en_us, I see what I want to see. But switching German on again in the browser redisplays this ghost resource bundle! Does that mean it can't be the browser? And I'm pretty sure I don't have a proxy, unless there's some extremely well hidden linux proxy on my localhost! But it also couldn't be the proxy, since this is just the locale changing, not the URL. On 01/16/2004 11:18 AM Ralph Einfeldt wrote: Yes, in a proxy. Caching proxies are use by some internet providers and they are often used inside corporate networks. If we want to be shure that an url is not cached, we not only set the response headers, but also append a unique id to the url that changes with every request. (As parameter) -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:04 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: caching nightmare times. Could it be cached anywhere else on my machine between tomcat and the browser? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- struts 1.1 + tomcat 5.0.16 + java 1.4.2 Linux 2.4.20 Debian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[off-topic]Nightmare between Blob object X Java.SQL
Hi guys,
i am almost crazy with this headache. I have tried a lot of methods, however
i always get failed. The Server returns me a java.IOException whenever i try
to retrieve ( from a Array ) and build a blob type content. My JVM version
is 1.4.1. Any kind of help ( extra code, for example) will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Euclides.
public void setteAnexodica(byte [] teAnexodica1) {
// public void setteAnexodica( InputStream teAnexodica1) {
try
{
// InputStream is = new InputStream();
// int tamanho = 0;
// is.read(teAnexodica1);
long val = (long)teAnexodica1.length;
tamanho = teAnexodica.setBytes(val,teAnexodica1);
/* InputStream is = teAnexodica1;
OutputStream os = null;
int tam = 0;
while ( (tam = is.read() ) != -1)
{
System.out.println(conteudo recuperado: + tam);
os.write(tam);
}
}*/
// InputStream is = teAnexodica1;
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Tomcat Authentication Nightmare
Hi all, In a previous project, I decided to use Tomcat authentication and just had nightmarish troubles. Telling people they couldn't bookmark the logon page just isn't a solution. Plus, many people had serious problems trying to login. They would enter in their user name and passwords multiple times, and still could not get in. I would honestly say 25-30% of the people had problems, which did not reflect well on me. Previously I used Apache authentication, but it is just not as flexible as Tomcat, but then again I never had a problem with it. I was wondering if there are any suggestions for authentication? I don't really want to use Apache for this upcoming project and would really prefer a Tomcat-like authentication mechanism where I could use a database to hole user names and passwords etc. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks, Kevin Kevin Andryc Web Systems Engineer MISER http://www.umass.edu/miser/ Phone: (413)-545-3460 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat Authentication Nightmare
Not sure what you are looking for, but we do this on all of our web apps. Users can bookmark the login page all they wish, in fact the login page is index.jsp. They type their username and password in, click submit. This posts to a JSP, the JSP checks against a database, and approves or disapproves. If approves, sets a session variable. On every other JSP, there is a check for the session variable. If not set, bounce to index.jsp. There are probably other much more elegant ways to do it, and probably ways to do this built-in to Tomcat, but the method above works for us. If there's another, more elegant way to do this, I'd love to see an explanation of it and the rationale for it. John On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:45:41 -0400, Kevin Andryc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, In a previous project, I decided to use Tomcat authentication and just had nightmarish troubles. Telling people they couldn't bookmark the logon page just isn't a solution. Plus, many people had serious problems trying to login. They would enter in their user name and passwords multiple times, and still could not get in. I would honestly say 25-30% of the people had problems, which did not reflect well on me. Previously I used Apache authentication, but it is just not as flexible as Tomcat, but then again I never had a problem with it. I was wondering if there are any suggestions for authentication? I don't really want to use Apache for this upcoming project and would really prefer a Tomcat-like authentication mechanism where I could use a database to hole user names and passwords etc. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks, Kevin Kevin Andryc Web Systems Engineer MISER http://www.umass.edu/miser/ Phone: (413)-545-3460 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Nightmare with Tomcat 4.1 and SSL configuration
Cosmin I was stuck on the same issue for sometime. Then I realised that I had not put the jsse jar in the classpath. So I copied the 3 jars - jsse.jar, jnet.jar, jcert.jar into %JAVA_HOME%\jre\lib\ext. After that the problem went away. However, I would like to understand how I can configure tomcat to see the logs. When I was getting I didn't find an easy way to figure out why the error was coming. This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of J.P. Morgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Nightmare with Tomcat 4.1 and SSL configuration
I've been adding more logging to the SSL components in TC 5.x (at DEBUG or TRACE level, so it doesn't show up unless you ask :). Some of that will likely find its way back into future versions of TC 4.1.x. At the moment, yes, the logging of errors (especially ones that could be config related) is pretty sparse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cosmin I was stuck on the same issue for sometime. Then I realised that I had not put the jsse jar in the classpath. So I copied the 3 jars - jsse.jar, jnet.jar, jcert.jar into %JAVA_HOME%\jre\lib\ext. After that the problem went away. However, I would like to understand how I can configure tomcat to see the logs. When I was getting I didn't find an easy way to figure out why the error was coming. This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of J.P. Morgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nightmare with Tomcat 4.1 and SSL configuration
Hi there , I've just registered to this list in hope that I could find some better advice here . I am trying to configure a standalone installation of tomcat to work with SSL . This at first doesn't seem like a bit headache . I have followed the two similar howtos at the sun website and jakarta website and have gotten the same result . The only wierd thing about setting it all up was using keytool . I am using a FreeBSD 4.8 machine with Tomcat 4.1 and linux-jdk1.4 . At first the linux-jdk1.4 keytool didn't seem to work ( telling me that /dev/random has reached the end of file ... i looked and this was a blank file ) . So I generated they key using the FreeBSD jdk1.4 ( suposedly of alpha quality ) , exported it to a file then imported this file into a new keystore : /root/.keystore using the linux-jdk1.4/bin/keytool . I then added the following to my server.xml : Connector className=org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteConnector port=8443 minProcessors=5 maxProcessors=75 enableLookups=false acceptCount=100 debug=0 scheme=https secure=true useURIValidationHack=false disableUploadTimeout=true Factory className=org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteServerSocketFactory clientAuth=false protocol=TLS keystoreFile=/root/.keystore keystorePass=changeit/ /Connector Tried restarting . As I was watching with netstat the 8180 port opened for a split second then closed . Tomcat seems to die the moment i try to start it with the ssl connector uncommented . The moment i put comments arround the SSL connector Tomcat starts up and works fine again . . . Has anybody here , ever encountered this miserable problem ? I've been stuck on it for 2 days and I don't even get an error message to start from somewhere . no error logs are... WOOPS :) ... found a very relevant error : Exception during startup processing java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:203) Caused by: java.lang.InternalError: URLSeedGenerator file:/dev/random reached end of file at sun.security.provider.SeedGenerator$URLSeedGenerator.getSeedByte(SeedGenerator.java:476) at sun.security.provider.SeedGenerator.getSeedBytes(SeedGenerator.java:137) and it goes on so that /dev/random file is creating trouble here . Does anybody here have a clue on how to fix this ? thanks in advance Cosmin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Nightmare with Tomcat 4.1 and SSL configuration
my 2cents would be to use apache on the front to do the SSL... -Original Message- From: Cosmin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2003 7:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nightmare with Tomcat 4.1 and SSL configuration Hi there , I've just registered to this list in hope that I could find some better advice here . I am trying to configure a standalone installation of tomcat to work with SSL . This at first doesn't seem like a bit headache . I have followed the two similar howtos at the sun website and jakarta website and have gotten the same result . The only wierd thing about setting it all up was using keytool . I am using a FreeBSD 4.8 machine with Tomcat 4.1 and linux-jdk1.4 . At first the linux-jdk1.4 keytool didn't seem to work ( telling me that /dev/random has reached the end of file ... i looked and this was a blank file ) . So I generated they key using the FreeBSD jdk1.4 ( suposedly of alpha quality ) , exported it to a file then imported this file into a new keystore : /root/.keystore using the linux-jdk1.4/bin/keytool . I then added the following to my server.xml : Connector className=org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteConnector port=8443 minProcessors=5 maxProcessors=75 enableLookups=false acceptCount=100 debug=0 scheme=https secure=true useURIValidationHack=false disableUploadTimeout=true Factory className=org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteServerSocketFactory clientAuth=false protocol=TLS keystoreFile=/root/.keystore keystorePass=changeit/ /Connector Tried restarting . As I was watching with netstat the 8180 port opened for a split second then closed . Tomcat seems to die the moment i try to start it with the ssl connector uncommented . The moment i put comments arround the SSL connector Tomcat starts up and works fine again . . . Has anybody here , ever encountered this miserable problem ? I've been stuck on it for 2 days and I don't even get an error message to start from somewhere . no error logs are... WOOPS :) ... found a very relevant error : Exception during startup processing java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39 ) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl .java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:203) Caused by: java.lang.InternalError: URLSeedGenerator file:/dev/random reached end of file at sun.security.provider.SeedGenerator$URLSeedGenerator.getSeedByte(SeedGenerat or.java:476) at sun.security.provider.SeedGenerator.getSeedBytes(SeedGenerator.java:137) and it goes on so that /dev/random file is creating trouble here . Does anybody here have a clue on how to fix this ? thanks in advance Cosmin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nightmare with Tomcat 4.1 and SSL configuration
The standalone SSL connector for 4.1.24 only works with Sun's 1.4.x JVM. There is support in the CVS for other vendors. You could try checking out the coyote_10 branch of jakarta-tomcat-connectors, and see if you have more luck. Cosmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there , I've just registered to this list in hope that I could find some better advice here . I am trying to configure a standalone installation of tomcat to work with SSL . This at first doesn't seem like a bit headache . I have followed the two similar howtos at the sun website and jakarta website and have gotten the same result . The only wierd thing about setting it all up was using keytool . I am using a FreeBSD 4.8 machine with Tomcat 4.1 and linux-jdk1.4 . At first the linux-jdk1.4 keytool didn't seem to work ( telling me that /dev/random has reached the end of file ... i looked and this was a blank file ) . So I generated they key using the FreeBSD jdk1.4 ( suposedly of alpha quality ) , exported it to a file then imported this file into a new keystore : /root/.keystore using the linux-jdk1.4/bin/keytool . I then added the following to my server.xml : Connector className=org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteConnector port=8443 minProcessors=5 maxProcessors=75 enableLookups=false acceptCount=100 debug=0 scheme=https secure=true useURIValidationHack=false disableUploadTimeout=true Factory className=org.apache.coyote.tomcat4.CoyoteServerSocketFactory clientAuth=false protocol=TLS keystoreFile=/root/.keystore keystorePass=changeit/ /Connector Tried restarting . As I was watching with netstat the 8180 port opened for a split second then closed . Tomcat seems to die the moment i try to start it with the ssl connector uncommented . The moment i put comments arround the SSL connector Tomcat starts up and works fine again . . . Has anybody here , ever encountered this miserable problem ? I've been stuck on it for 2 days and I don't even get an error message to start from somewhere . no error logs are... WOOPS :) ... found a very relevant error : Exception during startup processing java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39 ) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl .java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:203) Caused by: java.lang.InternalError: URLSeedGenerator file:/dev/random reached end of file at sun.security.provider.SeedGenerator$URLSeedGenerator.getSeedByte(SeedGenerat or.java:476) at sun.security.provider.SeedGenerator.getSeedBytes(SeedGenerator.java:137) and it goes on so that /dev/random file is creating trouble here . Does anybody here have a clue on how to fix this ? thanks in advance Cosmin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off topic:cookies nightmare!!!!!!!!
THAT WAS IT!! Scott, thank you so much for the quick response, and thank you Craig for the clarification!! Happy Monday. -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:49 PM To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Struts Users (E-mail) Subject: Re: Off topic:cookies nightmare On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, pixel wrote: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:42:13 -0400 From: pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Off topic:cookies nightmare John, I had a similar problem, which seem to be resovled by explicitly setting the path of the cookie to / before adding it to the response. Cookie userCookie = new Cookie(U_ID, userId); userCookie.setMaxAge(94608); userCookie.setPath(/); httpResp.addCookie(userCookie); After reading the Servlet docs, it seems the behaviour for setting a cookie without first setting it's path is undefinded. I've found that with Tomcat, new Cookies use the current URL of the request instead of the / when a path is not specified. I also believe there may have been a few bugs with previous versions of Tomcat and Cookies which have been resolved with newer versions. Setting the cookie path to / will cause this cookie to be sent back to *all* web applications on your server, not just yours. It is safer to set the cookie path to return just to your web application: userCookie.setPath(request.getContextPath()); Hope this helps, ~Scott Craig
Off topic:cookies nightmare!!!!!!!!
I am John Regan.
Environment:
NT
IE 5.0
Tomcat 4.0
Struts 1.0
When a user requests our index page we write a pagehit sequence # to the
client's cookie through the following code:
//no cookie exits
else {
Cookie pcookie = new Cookie(P,r.getPagehitcode());
pcookie.setMaxAge(60*60*24*365);//1 year
response.addCookie(pcookie);
}
which works fine, I look in my cookies directory and find a file named
jbr@jsp[1].txt(where does it grab this name from?) which contains the
correct value for P.
The user clicks on a link on the homepage, this where things start to go
very wrong. In the action class I loop through cookie values in the
following manner:
Cookie[] cookies = request.getCookies();
Cookie cookie;
Cookie schangecookie = null;
if (cookies != null) {
for(int i=0; icookies.length; i++) {
cookie = cookies[i];
servlet.log(cookie + cookie.getName() + +
cookie.getValue());
if (cookie.getName().equals(P)) {
schangecookie = (Cookie)cookie.clone();
schangecookie.setValue(r.getPagehitcode());
response.addCookie(schangecookie);
}
}
The log shows the only cookie in the request is the following:
JSESSIONID A37259C0F90335C6B3B177A1C2679413
The P value which I see in my cookie is not in the request! Not to
mention, I don't where JSESSIONID is stored!
Can someone clue me in to what might be happening?
Any help is much appreciated!
Re: Off topic:cookies nightmare!!!!!!!!
John,
I had a similar problem, which seem to be resovled by explicitly setting
the path of the cookie to / before adding it to the response.
Cookie userCookie = new Cookie(U_ID, userId);
userCookie.setMaxAge(94608);
userCookie.setPath(/);
httpResp.addCookie(userCookie);
After reading the Servlet docs, it seems the behaviour for setting a
cookie without first setting it's path is undefinded. I've found that
with Tomcat, new Cookies use the current URL of the request instead of
the / when a path is not specified. I also believe there may have been
a few bugs with previous versions of Tomcat and Cookies which have been
resolved with newer versions.
Hope this helps,
~Scott
John Regan wrote:
I am John Regan.
Environment:
NT
IE 5.0
Tomcat 4.0
Struts 1.0
When a user requests our index page we write a pagehit sequence # to the
client's cookie through the following code:
//no cookie exits
else {
Cookie pcookie = new Cookie(P,r.getPagehitcode());
pcookie.setMaxAge(60*60*24*365);//1 year
response.addCookie(pcookie);
}
which works fine, I look in my cookies directory and find a file named
jbr@jsp[1].txt(where does it grab this name from?) which contains the
correct value for P.
The user clicks on a link on the homepage, this where things start to go
very wrong. In the action class I loop through cookie values in the
following manner:
Cookie[] cookies = request.getCookies();
Cookie cookie;
Cookie schangecookie = null;
if (cookies != null) {
for(int i=0; icookies.length; i++) {
cookie = cookies[i];
servlet.log(cookie + cookie.getName() + +
cookie.getValue());
if (cookie.getName().equals(P)) {
schangecookie = (Cookie)cookie.clone();
schangecookie.setValue(r.getPagehitcode());
response.addCookie(schangecookie);
}
}
The log shows the only cookie in the request is the following:
JSESSIONID A37259C0F90335C6B3B177A1C2679413
The P value which I see in my cookie is not in the request! Not to
mention, I don't where JSESSIONID is stored!
Can someone clue me in to what might be happening?
Any help is much appreciated!
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Re: Off topic:cookies nightmare!!!!!!!!
On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, pixel wrote: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:42:13 -0400 From: pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Off topic:cookies nightmare John, I had a similar problem, which seem to be resovled by explicitly setting the path of the cookie to / before adding it to the response. Cookie userCookie = new Cookie(U_ID, userId); userCookie.setMaxAge(94608); userCookie.setPath(/); httpResp.addCookie(userCookie); After reading the Servlet docs, it seems the behaviour for setting a cookie without first setting it's path is undefinded. I've found that with Tomcat, new Cookies use the current URL of the request instead of the / when a path is not specified. I also believe there may have been a few bugs with previous versions of Tomcat and Cookies which have been resolved with newer versions. Setting the cookie path to / will cause this cookie to be sent back to *all* web applications on your server, not just yours. It is safer to set the cookie path to return just to your web application: userCookie.setPath(request.getContextPath()); Hope this helps, ~Scott Craig -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. You should've asked for help sooner then, rather than wait till you were so mad all you could do was vent... that's what the list is for. That's help, not venting ;-) J. -- You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me. *** For more information on Ordnance Survey products and services, visit our web site at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk *** -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIGHTMARE
Ever heard of Opera? Now that works Damn well. Dominic Parry B.Sc. (Computer Science, Information Systems) B.Sc Hons Computer Science M.Sc. I Computer Science Rhodes University - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Yes I know. I have 6.22 and it works fine, though it's pretty heavy to start up. Once it's up is damn good. And the interface rocks! - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well Netscape is still around and version 6.22 is damm good. Remember Netscape is part of the Sun/AOL alliance. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:55 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No PAIN No GAIN. Some more PAIN could possibly give you more GAIN. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dominic Parry a Ýcrit : Ever heard of Opera? Now that works Damn well. Dominic Parry B.Sc. (Computer Science, Information Systems) B.Sc Hons Computer Science M.Sc. I Computer Science Rhodes University Hi ! I had yur address on Tomcat's User List. Well, do yu know if Opera is avalaible for SOLARIS 8 ? Thanks yu. Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think it is, try their home page. www.opera.com cheers Dominic Parry B.Sc (Information Systems, Computer Science) B.Sc (Hons) Computer Science Rhodes University - Original Message - From: Jean-Luc BEAUDET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Dominic Parry a Ýcrit : Ever heard of Opera? Now that works Damn well. Dominic Parry B.Sc. (Computer Science, Information Systems) B.Sc Hons Computer Science M.Sc. I Computer Science Rhodes University Hi ! I had yur address on Tomcat's User List. Well, do yu know if Opera is avalaible for SOLARIS 8 ? Thanks yu. Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIGHTMARE
And what's opera anyway?? I've never heard about that... - Original Message - From: Dominic Parry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Ever heard of Opera? Now that works Damn well. Dominic Parry B.Sc. (Computer Science, Information Systems) B.Sc Hons Computer Science M.Sc. I Computer Science Rhodes University - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Yes I know. I have 6.22 and it works fine, though it's pretty heavy to start up. Once it's up is damn good. And the interface rocks! - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well Netscape is still around and version 6.22 is damm good. Remember Netscape is part of the Sun/AOL alliance. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:55 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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||| And what's opera anyway?? I've never heard about that... seriously? wow ... i thought those guys were doing a good job of their marketing. Its a great web browser that blows Netscape out of the water. -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and what about IExplore? Is it affected in some way? - Original Message - From: Alan Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE ||| And what's opera anyway?? I've never heard about that... seriously? wow ... i thought those guys were doing a good job of their marketing. Its a great web browser that blows Netscape out of the water. -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
It's another web browser like IE or Netscape. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:35 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE And what's opera anyway?? I've never heard about that... - Original Message - From: Dominic Parry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Ever heard of Opera? Now that works Damn well. Dominic Parry B.Sc. (Computer Science, Information Systems) B.Sc Hons Computer Science M.Sc. I Computer Science Rhodes University - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Yes I know. I have 6.22 and it works fine, though it's pretty heavy to start up. Once it's up is damn good. And the interface rocks! - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well Netscape is still around and version 6.22 is damm good. Remember Netscape is part of the Sun/AOL alliance. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:55 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIGHTMARE
and what about IExplore? Is it affected in some way? Sarcasm. Wakes a guy up in the morning. -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NIGHTMARE
Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. - Original Message - From: Árni Arent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. We have no complaints. We have been using Tomcat for almost 2 years now. We have installed it at several client sites on several different platforms with no problems. Tomcat is just another Java application. If you understand the Java platform (CLASSPATH, JAVA_HOME, etc), installing Tomcat should not be that difficult. BTW: We run Tomcat standalone, with IIS and with Apache. Of the three, Tomcat is by far the easiest to install and configure. Jim -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIGHTMARE
and my grand mother did it too ! - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri To: Tomcat Users List Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. - Original Message - From: Árni Arent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
... but thanks for taking the time to let us all know about your insight ... and there I was thinking this was a Tomcat users maillist ... if you're not using it, then maybe you shouldn't post here just a thought. -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 April 2002 14:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This message may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. ** -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIGHTMARE
Hahaha! No doubt, he's a loser, he must be thinking in an M$ way. - Original Message - From: laurent marot - alliacom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE and my grand mother did it too ! - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri To: Tomcat Users List Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. - Original Message - From: Árni Arent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIGHTMARE
On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personally I think that both of you should calm down. Normally I agree that a Tomcat installation is easy. *However* I spent an hour this weekend trying to install Tomcat on a Digital OpenUnix (or whatever they're calling it), and had to give up for now. I *like* Tomcat, but people new to Tomcat may find the installation process, er, difficult. On the other hand, calling software that works fine crap doesn't help anything either. Good luck to both of you, and I hope you can calm down. Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. - Original Message - From: Árni Arent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- D. Jay Newman ! All: There's nothing we can't face... [EMAIL PROTECTED]! Anya: Except for bunnies... http://www.sprucegrove.com/~jay/ !-- Buffy, the Musical -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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maybe it would be more constructive if you told us what went wrong for you instead of posting such a crap -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 08. April 2002 15:23 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Javier, supongo que hablas en castellano. Te cuento que por 1 anio hemos intentado encontrar voluntarios para el libro Tomcat Book el cual iba a ser un completo libro de instalacion, configuracion y uso de Tomcat. Pero todo el que venia duraba 2 semanas y se iba. Entonces no es posible hacer tal cosa. Este software es gratuito y abierto, no se le puede pagar a alguien para que desarrolle. Lamentablemente la documentacion tiene que ser voluntaria y no hay voluntarios que quieran colaborar. saludos, Martin - Original Message - From: Javier A. Leyba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have my problems with Tomcat, but I must say it is the easiest app server to install by far (and I have used many) -will Árni Arent writes: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree, and look. There was an opportunity some time ago to build an entire Tomcat Book about installation, configuration and problem solving about Tomcat. We needed volunteers. But guess what. Nobody lasted for more than 3 weeks. Come on, this is free software, it's impossible to pay someone for documentation, it has to be made by us, but no one can. So if we don't try to post constructive messages we won't get anywhere. - Original Message - From: Michael Weissenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tomcat Users List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: AW: NIGHTMARE maybe it would be more constructive if you told us what went wrong for you instead of posting such a crap -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 08. April 2002 15:23 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All, I would have to say that, while the installation for Apache-Tomcat was not without its problems, getting the standalone version up and running was literally minutes from downloading the software. MINUTES i tell you. That said, once i was pointed in the direction of mod_jk.so my world became a lot easier. The support on this list is TOP-NOTCH and i have to take my hat off to the Apache crew (and others) that monitor and respond to the questions. I know they must get sick of same questions time and time again, but i have to say, they were polite, courtesy and fast in responding to my problems. Alan Editor in Chief Java Developers Journal http://www.sys-con.com/java/ -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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indeed. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 April 2002 16:02 To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Javier, supongo que hablas en castellano. Te cuento que por 1 anio hemos intentado encontrar voluntarios para el libro Tomcat Book el cual iba a ser un completo libro de instalacion, configuracion y uso de Tomcat. Pero todo el que venia duraba 2 semanas y se iba. Entonces no es posible hacer tal cosa. Este software es gratuito y abierto, no se le puede pagar a alguien para que desarrolle. Lamentablemente la documentacion tiene que ser voluntaria y no hay voluntarios que quieran colaborar. saludos, Martin - Original Message - From: Javier A. Leyba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 08/04/2002 at 12:01 Martin Mauri wrote: Javier, supongo que hablas en castellano. Te cuento que por 1 anio hemos intentado encontrar voluntarios para el libro Tomcat Book el cual iba a ser un completo libro de instalacion, configuracion y uso de Tomcat. Pero todo el que venia duraba 2 semanas y se iba. Entonces no es posible hacer tal cosa. Este software es gratuito y abierto, no se le puede pagar a alguien para que desarrolle. Lamentablemente la documentacion tiene que ser voluntaria y no hay voluntarios que quieran colaborar. Uhhh, que suerte encontrar a un compatriota ! Soy de BA y estoy desde hace un año viviendo en Manresa a 60 Km de Barcelona. Yo no puedo colaborar now, estoy intentando certificarme como CCNA para si consigo un empleo serio, pero me guardo tu address para contactarte en un tiempo y ver en que puedo ayudar. Saludos jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I'm sorry, but this type of message leaves me to believe you spent NO effort to solve your own problems, read the documentation, or spec your project. It would seem that PHP, JSP, CFM, ASP, etc.. are each suited to particular needs. I can't say that I would want to go from one to another without a better plan. In 16 years, I have seen a lot of software, for a lot of money, free, commercial and everything in between. I personally haven't gotten that involved in open source projects except for the last couple years, while I don't feel I'm qualified to do much, I do what I can. The power of hundreds and thousands of minds, is far better than anything I have seen. While it is often true, extra pains are taken to get things working, installed or configured, typically if you have a clue what you are doing to start with it helps. At the same time, I have never posted a question without some sort of positive response, perhaps, if you considered putting your demand for perfection aside, you could learn and contribute to the project, providing feedback and guidance to developers so they know what works better, that is the power of any project. Would I be correct in assuming your trying to run tomcat on windows platform? I would agree with you however on one thing, there are far too many strains of Tomcat out right now Stratify your projects...too hard to support too many. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions opinions expressed here are my own, and I have no official affiliation with Novell, Apache or any of their sub-projects. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Would you all quit this? It's silly to generate so much email in defense of a product we're all working with. If someone doesn't like it, so be it. BTW, our correspondent may already be off the group, which could mean that we're all just reading our own flames. Can we return to matters of substance, please? Mark -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tomcat Installation/Configuration is very quick and easy and can be done under 10 mins - if u understand the classpaths funda and know where to put your files. For Advanced Configs if u need to take the tweak it a little bit, a little more effort is required but that is true of any software. Calling it 'crap' isn't the solution.If u had posted u'r problem here maybe u would have got a solution. Karthik -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree. I gave up trying to get tomcat and apache to talk together and would have loved better documentation, and perhaps examples that work. Don't get me wrong, I love tomcat, I just want to put my vote in for better docs. on 4/8/02 10:56 AM, Javier A. Leyba at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] === What Java application server do you like that is easy to install? WebSphere? WebLogic? Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You don't understand. The only way we can have better docs is to do it by ourselves. There's no extra possibility. The developers can't spend much type documenting because they're busy with the development. So the only ones able to document are people who already have solved certain problems and have the know-how on such items. This person would be a key being a volunteer for documentation but unfortunately only a little want to do it. - Original Message - From: Thomas Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I agree. I gave up trying to get tomcat and apache to talk together and would have loved better documentation, and perhaps examples that work. Don't get me wrong, I love tomcat, I just want to put my vote in for better docs. on 4/8/02 10:56 AM, Javier A. Leyba at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 08/04/2002 at 13:22 Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. Arni I know begining with Java could be a big fight, and many times you'll want to kill someone, but don't give up. :) Java it's a great tech with great future. I love PHP, but if you look around on internet for job offers you´ll found five times more offers to Java than PHP. Think about it, take a day and tomorrow come back to fight jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Williams Mark L DLPC a Ýcrit : Would you all quit this? It's silly to generate so much email in defense of a product we're all working with. If someone doesn't like it, so be it. BTW, our correspondent may already be off the group, which could mean that we're all just reading our own flames. Can we return to matters of substance, please? Mark -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep yu're right. I would have think about a shrinky Troll... Not even good enough to go ahaed. Let's have some better conversation, boys ! Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) -Original Message- From: Jean-Luc BEAUDET [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:31 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Williams Mark L DLPC a Ýcrit : Would you all quit this? It's silly to generate so much email in defense of a product we're all working with. If someone doesn't like it, so be it. BTW, our correspondent may already be off the group, which could mean that we're all just reading our own flames. Can we return to matters of substance, please? Mark -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep yu're right. I would have think about a shrinky Troll... Not even good enough to go ahaed. Let's have some better conversation, boys ! Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hahahaha! Yes. - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) -Original Message- From: Jean-Luc BEAUDET [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:31 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Williams Mark L DLPC a Ýcrit : Would you all quit this? It's silly to generate so much email in defense of a product we're all working with. If someone doesn't like it, so be it. BTW, our correspondent may already be off the group, which could mean that we're all just reading our own flames. Can we return to matters of substance, please? Mark -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep yu're right. I would have think about a shrinky Troll... Not even good enough to go ahaed. Let's have some better conversation, boys ! Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Upon 4/8/02, todd tredeau saith: I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I think there's some interesting things in this topic. Even unzip/expand and run has problems (like on Mac OSX if not using gnutar). The docs really are ample, but they are intimidating to someone not used to Java. Nevertheless, I'm a newbie to setting something like this up, and I'm running just fine. This list has been very helpful! BUT, think about this... in Árni we see someone who possibly didn't read the docs, or only skimmed them, and still with *his* install habits was a) not able to install Tomcat, and b) *was* able to install PHP. Two different outcomes from two different server-side technologies that are often compared side-by-side. Both are developed freely. There is a momentum behind PHP where people write more tutorials, offer more full solutions as freeware (blogs, calendars, etc.). PHP's ease of installation may in part help it's adoption, and grow the community, and provide more resources, which helps it's adoption...etc... I know there are big differences and best uses for the different technologies, but an awful lot of server-side technologies are never used to the point of maximizing their characteristic benefits. From the 'I just want to download and see if I like it' perspective, Tomcat does suffer a bit, IMO. Also in the available solutions (which I think are great learning tools and in some cases complete solutions). Maybe I just don't know where to look. Ken Martin -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For many of us, this is hardly a laughing matter. Yes, installation is very easy. However, proper deployment is very difficult. You'd like apache to handle the non-jsp stuff and pass the jsp to tomcat. You'd like apache and tomcat to start up properly upon reboot. You may wish to invoke some of the very rich capabilities of tomcat. I spent several days deploying tomcat. It works, but I'm not sure why. If I really understood what I was doing, I would be happy to write it down for others. Deploying tomcat is *not* Java. It is a complex set of configuration files within separate products. I have been working with Unix since 1980 and with Java since its inception. I almost gave up on tomcat. Something needs to be done to make tomcat more accessible, but I can't say what. I still can't get tomcat to use beans properly. Harry - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Hahahaha! Yes. - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) -Original Message- From: Jean-Luc BEAUDET [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:31 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Williams Mark L DLPC a Ýcrit : Would you all quit this? It's silly to generate so much email in defense of a product we're all working with. If someone doesn't like it, so be it. BTW, our correspondent may already be off the group, which could mean that we're all just reading our own flames. Can we return to matters of substance, please? Mark -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep yu're right. I would have think about a shrinky Troll... Not even good enough to go ahaed. Let's have some better conversation, boys ! Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have been playing with another open source project, Chiki... It is an extreme programming project. I have been very impressed so far with this. I have thought, of being able to have a web site, where anyone could enter / create / edit content, along the lines of These tips and documentation issues... perhaps, if there is enough interest we could begin with a few topics, ie: Step by step install / config by plaform, tips, QA, etc... I created a site linked to my Open Source support site, wiserlabz http://chiki.wiserlabz.com It is really pretty awsome so far, with more to come.. Revision Control is build in, which will help... take a look, give it try, or install it and try it yourself. There are a few quirks with it handling some tags, etc... but it's getting there, and pretty awsome, providing a cool, interactive editing environment. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions Harry Keller wrote: For many of us, this is hardly a laughing matter. Yes, installation is very easy. However, proper deployment is very difficult. You'd like apache to handle the non-jsp stuff and pass the jsp to tomcat. You'd like apache and tomcat to start up properly upon reboot. You may wish to invoke some of the very rich capabilities of tomcat. I spent several days deploying tomcat. It works, but I'm not sure why. If I really understood what I was doing, I would be happy to write it down for others. Deploying tomcat is *not* Java. It is a complex set of configuration files within separate products. I have been working with Unix since 1980 and with Java since its inception. I almost gave up on tomcat. Something needs to be done to make tomcat more accessible, but I can't say what. I still can't get tomcat to use beans properly. Harry - Original Message - From: Martin Mauri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Hahahaha! Yes. - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) -Original Message- From: Jean-Luc BEAUDET [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:31 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Williams Mark L DLPC a Ýcrit : Would you all quit this? It's silly to generate so much email in defense of a product we're all working with. If someone doesn't like it, so be it. BTW, our correspondent may already be off the group, which could mean that we're all just reading our own flames. Can we return to matters of substance, please? Mark -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep yu're right. I would have think about a shrinky Troll... Not even good enough to go ahaed. Let's have some better conversation, boys ! Jean-Luc :O) -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
Rather then complain, since most of us here wouldn't agree with you, provide details what you did, so people here can review it. This is the proper way to approach Tomcat issues. -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
-Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:39 AM Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) This snide kind of remark is hardly worth its typing time. It implies that people having problems installing and configuring TomCat, are morons. This is not only insulting to list members, it's far from the truth. Clearly, there is more to installing and configuring TomCat than the three lines above. If you are truly interested in helping, then help by providing useful, constructive comments/suggestions, or provide time to improve well needed documentation. - tex -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
Sorry for the flame :) Just got very frustrated. I am very patient, and yes I've read the install documentation carefully and followed it step by step, that I am sure of. However the install documentation is way too long, too many things users have to consider. My setup is Win2000, IIS and Tomcat3.2.4. I've managed to get tomcat to work, however it doesn't run with IIS nor did I manage to install tomcat as a service. My problem is this When starting the NT service I get: Asked (and given) winsock 1.1 Error: StartServiceCtrlDispatcher failed. Regards. -Original Message- From: todd tredeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. apríl 2002 15:08 To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I'm sorry, but this type of message leaves me to believe you spent NO effort to solve your own problems, read the documentation, or spec your project. It would seem that PHP, JSP, CFM, ASP, etc.. are each suited to particular needs. I can't say that I would want to go from one to another without a better plan. In 16 years, I have seen a lot of software, for a lot of money, free, commercial and everything in between. I personally haven't gotten that involved in open source projects except for the last couple years, while I don't feel I'm qualified to do much, I do what I can. The power of hundreds and thousands of minds, is far better than anything I have seen. While it is often true, extra pains are taken to get things working, installed or configured, typically if you have a clue what you are doing to start with it helps. At the same time, I have never posted a question without some sort of positive response, perhaps, if you considered putting your demand for perfection aside, you could learn and contribute to the project, providing feedback and guidance to developers so they know what works better, that is the power of any project. Would I be correct in assuming your trying to run tomcat on windows platform? I would agree with you however on one thing, there are far too many strains of Tomcat out right now Stratify your projects...too hard to support too many. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions opinions expressed here are my own, and I have no official affiliation with Novell, Apache or any of their sub-projects. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
We are running a similar setup. Go to the Apache site for Tomcat and do a search on Java Service Notice for JDK 1.3 users: There is a known problem in JDK 1.3 that affects Java applications being run as Windows NT services. The bug causes the service to terminate when the currently logged in user logs out. The simplest way to work around this problem is to use JDK 1.2. If your application requires JDK 1.3 features then you may want to look into javaserv or JavaService. Users have reported success with both of these packages but there may be others that work as well. http://www.alexandriasc.com/software/JavaService/ http://www.kcmultimedia.com/javaserv/ BTW: you may want to try 4.0.2. It is more stable than 3.2 -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:15 AM To: todd tredeau; Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Sorry for the flame :) Just got very frustrated. I am very patient, and yes I've read the install documentation carefully and followed it step by step, that I am sure of. However the install documentation is way too long, too many things users have to consider. My setup is Win2000, IIS and Tomcat3.2.4. I've managed to get tomcat to work, however it doesn't run with IIS nor did I manage to install tomcat as a service. My problem is this When starting the NT service I get: Asked (and given) winsock 1.1 Error: StartServiceCtrlDispatcher failed. Regards. -Original Message- From: todd tredeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. apríl 2002 15:08 To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I'm sorry, but this type of message leaves me to believe you spent NO effort to solve your own problems, read the documentation, or spec your project. It would seem that PHP, JSP, CFM, ASP, etc.. are each suited to particular needs. I can't say that I would want to go from one to another without a better plan. In 16 years, I have seen a lot of software, for a lot of money, free, commercial and everything in between. I personally haven't gotten that involved in open source projects except for the last couple years, while I don't feel I'm qualified to do much, I do what I can. The power of hundreds and thousands of minds, is far better than anything I have seen. While it is often true, extra pains are taken to get things working, installed or configured, typically if you have a clue what you are doing to start with it helps. At the same time, I have never posted a question without some sort of positive response, perhaps, if you considered putting your demand for perfection aside, you could learn and contribute to the project, providing feedback and guidance to developers so they know what works better, that is the power of any project. Would I be correct in assuming your trying to run tomcat on windows platform? I would agree with you however on one thing, there are far too many strains of Tomcat out right now Stratify your projects...too hard to support too many. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions opinions expressed here are my own, and I have no official affiliation with Novell, Apache or any of their sub-projects. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: NIGHTMARE REVISITED
Hello; Thank you for coming back we all have those days look, I run tomcat on NT, but i'm not the right one to solve the problem, your right, this was very hard to get working... I did, but never quite right, so I just run as development, and not as a service, and have no problems. Actually I run it a little on this laptop as well, and it runs good... Let's break this problem apart first; in this order, and let everyone try to explain.. 1.General Tomcat 3.2.4 on NT2000 or suggested Tomcat (best) for Win32.. 2.IIS and Tomcat 3.Tomcat as a Service. Thanks again for coming back, this just show the quality of the people who come to this group and are willing to help. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions Árni Arent wrote: Sorry for the flame :) Just got very frustrated. I am very patient, and yes I've read the install documentation carefully and followed it step by step, that I am sure of. However the install documentation is way too long, too many things users have to consider. My setup is Win2000, IIS and Tomcat3.2.4. I've managed to get tomcat to work, however it doesn't run with IIS nor did I manage to install tomcat as a service. My problem is this When starting the NT service I get: Asked (and given) winsock 1.1 Error: StartServiceCtrlDispatcher failed. Regards. -Original Message- From: todd tredeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. apríl 2002 15:08 To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I'm sorry, but this type of message leaves me to believe you spent NO effort to solve your own problems, read the documentation, or spec your project. It would seem that PHP, JSP, CFM, ASP, etc.. are each suited to particular needs. I can't say that I would want to go from one to another without a better plan. In 16 years, I have seen a lot of software, for a lot of money, free, commercial and everything in between. I personally haven't gotten that involved in open source projects except for the last couple years, while I don't feel I'm qualified to do much, I do what I can. The power of hundreds and thousands of minds, is far better than anything I have seen. While it is often true, extra pains are taken to get things working, installed or configured, typically if you have a clue what you are doing to start with it helps. At the same time, I have never posted a question without some sort of positive response, perhaps, if you considered putting your demand for perfection aside, you could learn and contribute to the project, providing feedback and guidance to developers so they know what works better, that is the power of any project. Would I be correct in assuming your trying to run tomcat on windows platform? I would agree with you however on one thing, there are far too many strains of Tomcat out right now Stratify your projects...too hard to support too many. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions opinions expressed here are my own, and I have no official affiliation with Novell, Apache or any of their sub-projects. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
Well in a Unix or Linux environment that is all you have to do. In a Windows environment that will get Tomcat running in a DOS window. To run as an NT Service there are more steps involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:09 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:39 AM Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) This snide kind of remark is hardly worth its typing time. It implies that people having problems installing and configuring TomCat, are morons. This is not only insulting to list members, it's far from the truth. Clearly, there is more to installing and configuring TomCat than the three lines above. If you are truly interested in helping, then help by providing useful, constructive comments/suggestions, or provide time to improve well needed documentation. - tex -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
I think a distinction needs to be made here between installed and useful...those steps will indeed get it installed...However, it's much more difficult to get useful work out of it. I've done two linux boxes and a windows box now, and i'm still in the well I got it to serve up the jsp pages, but not quite sure how stage. -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:31 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well in a Unix or Linux environment that is all you have to do. In a Windows environment that will get Tomcat running in a DOS window. To run as an NT Service there are more steps involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:09 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:39 AM Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) This snide kind of remark is hardly worth its typing time. It implies that people having problems installing and configuring TomCat, are morons. This is not only insulting to list members, it's far from the truth. Clearly, there is more to installing and configuring TomCat than the three lines above. If you are truly interested in helping, then help by providing useful, constructive comments/suggestions, or provide time to improve well needed documentation. - tex -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
That is true, however I understood the original question to be about Installing Tomcat. Of all the products I have worked with Free and For Sale, I have found Tomcat to be one of the easiest to use. I also found the documentation with it very helpful and most JSP books provide there examples for Tomcat. -Original Message- From: Jolet, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:39 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE I think a distinction needs to be made here between installed and useful...those steps will indeed get it installed...However, it's much more difficult to get useful work out of it. I've done two linux boxes and a windows box now, and i'm still in the well I got it to serve up the jsp pages, but not quite sure how stage. -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:31 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well in a Unix or Linux environment that is all you have to do. In a Windows environment that will get Tomcat running in a DOS window. To run as an NT Service there are more steps involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:09 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:39 AM Let's see. The following is a nightmare 1. unzip tomcat 2. cd $TOMCAT_HOME/bin (unix/linux) or cd %TOMCAT_HOME%\bin (windows) 3. startup.sh (unix/linux) or startup (windows) This snide kind of remark is hardly worth its typing time. It implies that people having problems installing and configuring TomCat, are morons. This is not only insulting to list members, it's far from the truth. Clearly, there is more to installing and configuring TomCat than the three lines above. If you are truly interested in helping, then help by providing useful, constructive comments/suggestions, or provide time to improve well needed documentation. - tex -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NIGHTMARE
Hi Arni, Have you checked the tomcat logs in %TOMCAT_HOME%\logs\jvm.stderr (or jvm.stdout)? There also appears to be an issue with the wrapper.properties file (which you supply as a command-line parameter to jk_nt_service.exe) in that the wrapper.jvm.options is not being properly read if left blank. If you're using JDK1.3.1 or higher, put wrapper.jvm.options=-Xrs. It should start properly. I notice that you're using v3.2.4. Any particular reason for sticking to that version? I am using v3.3.1 on Win2K with IIS. Tomcat is also running as a service. If it's any help, I could post the detailed steps here for my setup, or e-mail them direct to you. In my opinion, v.3.3.x is the most well-documented and well-supported version of Tomcat for Win2K. You are right in that there are many documents (or rather, parts of documents) to read in configuring Tomcat. Not only that: given the numerous versions of the software, it's practically essential to note down the version number when asking for help. Often, you'd have to search through the mailing lists for resolution to a specific problem (assuming one exists!). Hope this helps you, and if you have any questions, just ask it on this list. Regards, Noel Lecaros -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:15 AM To: todd tredeau; Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Sorry for the flame :) Just got very frustrated. I am very patient, and yes I've read the install documentation carefully and followed it step by step, that I am sure of. However the install documentation is way too long, too many things users have to consider. My setup is Win2000, IIS and Tomcat3.2.4. I've managed to get tomcat to work, however it doesn't run with IIS nor did I manage to install tomcat as a service. My problem is this When starting the NT service I get: Asked (and given) winsock 1.1 Error: StartServiceCtrlDispatcher failed. Regards. -Original Message- From: todd tredeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. apríl 2002 15:08 To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I'm sorry, but this type of message leaves me to believe you spent NO effort to solve your own problems, read the documentation, or spec your project. It would seem that PHP, JSP, CFM, ASP, etc.. are each suited to particular needs. I can't say that I would want to go from one to another without a better plan. In 16 years, I have seen a lot of software, for a lot of money, free, commercial and everything in between. I personally haven't gotten that involved in open source projects except for the last couple years, while I don't feel I'm qualified to do much, I do what I can. The power of hundreds and thousands of minds, is far better than anything I have seen. While it is often true, extra pains are taken to get things working, installed or configured, typically if you have a clue what you are doing to start with it helps. At the same time, I have never posted a question without some sort of positive response, perhaps, if you considered putting your demand for perfection aside, you could learn and contribute to the project, providing feedback and guidance to developers so they know what works better, that is the power of any project. Would I be correct in assuming your trying to run tomcat on windows platform? I would agree with you however on one thing, there are far too many strains of Tomcat out right now Stratify your projects...too hard to support too many. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions opinions expressed here are my own, and I have no official affiliation with Novell, Apache or any of their sub-projects. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles
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I am using Tomcat 4.0.2 with Win2K and IIS 5.0 as an NT Service without any difficulties. There is a bug with NT services that you need to be aware of on 3.2. -Original Message- From: Lecaros, Noel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:45 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Hi Arni, Have you checked the tomcat logs in %TOMCAT_HOME%\logs\jvm.stderr (or jvm.stdout)? There also appears to be an issue with the wrapper.properties file (which you supply as a command-line parameter to jk_nt_service.exe) in that the wrapper.jvm.options is not being properly read if left blank. If you're using JDK1.3.1 or higher, put wrapper.jvm.options=-Xrs. It should start properly. I notice that you're using v3.2.4. Any particular reason for sticking to that version? I am using v3.3.1 on Win2K with IIS. Tomcat is also running as a service. If it's any help, I could post the detailed steps here for my setup, or e-mail them direct to you. In my opinion, v.3.3.x is the most well-documented and well-supported version of Tomcat for Win2K. You are right in that there are many documents (or rather, parts of documents) to read in configuring Tomcat. Not only that: given the numerous versions of the software, it's practically essential to note down the version number when asking for help. Often, you'd have to search through the mailing lists for resolution to a specific problem (assuming one exists!). Hope this helps you, and if you have any questions, just ask it on this list. Regards, Noel Lecaros -Original Message- From: Árni Arent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:15 AM To: todd tredeau; Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Sorry for the flame :) Just got very frustrated. I am very patient, and yes I've read the install documentation carefully and followed it step by step, that I am sure of. However the install documentation is way too long, too many things users have to consider. My setup is Win2000, IIS and Tomcat3.2.4. I've managed to get tomcat to work, however it doesn't run with IIS nor did I manage to install tomcat as a service. My problem is this When starting the NT service I get: Asked (and given) winsock 1.1 Error: StartServiceCtrlDispatcher failed. Regards. -Original Message- From: todd tredeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. apríl 2002 15:08 To: Tomcat Users List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted? I'm sorry, but this type of message leaves me to believe you spent NO effort to solve your own problems, read the documentation, or spec your project. It would seem that PHP, JSP, CFM, ASP, etc.. are each suited to particular needs. I can't say that I would want to go from one to another without a better plan. In 16 years, I have seen a lot of software, for a lot of money, free, commercial and everything in between. I personally haven't gotten that involved in open source projects except for the last couple years, while I don't feel I'm qualified to do much, I do what I can. The power of hundreds and thousands of minds, is far better than anything I have seen. While it is often true, extra pains are taken to get things working, installed or configured, typically if you have a clue what you are doing to start with it helps. At the same time, I have never posted a question without some sort of positive response, perhaps, if you considered putting your demand for perfection aside, you could learn and contribute to the project, providing feedback and guidance to developers so they know what works better, that is the power of any project. Would I be correct in assuming your trying to run tomcat on windows platform? I would agree with you however on one thing, there are far too many strains of Tomcat out right now Stratify your projects...too hard to support too many. todd http://www.wiserlabz.com collaborative effort to promote Novell and Open Source solutions opinions expressed here are my own, and I have no official affiliation with Novell, Apache or any of their sub-projects. Árni Arent wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína
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Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree that the documentation on virtual hosts is too abstract, unless you want to really learn what you are doing, rather than merely how to do it. An example of different sample server.xml configurations would be advised. At 04:56 PM 4/8/02 +0200, you wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Getting PHP to work on an Linux System is much harder than Tomcat. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:17 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I agree that the documentation on virtual hosts is too abstract, unless you want to really learn what you are doing, rather than merely how to do it. An example of different sample server.xml configurations would be advised. At 04:56 PM 4/8/02 +0200, you wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:16:55 -0700 From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I agree that the documentation on virtual hosts is too abstract, unless you want to really learn what you are doing, rather than merely how to do it. An example of different sample server.xml configurations would be advised. Two suggestions to the original poster: * Use a current version of Tomcat, with the associated documentation. Tomcat 3.2.4 was released over two years ago, and has been superceded by two major versions since then -- and the docs have improved also. * When you are first learning Tomcat, install it stand-alone, instead of behind a web server (Apache or IIS). Once you understand the basic concepts it is much easier to go on to the web server configuration stuff. In fact, anyone who *ever* installs Tomcat behind a web server is subjecting themselves to needless configuration effort unless they *really* need it. Craig McClanahan -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd have to put them about on par, myself...although, i've gotten tomcat working on 2 linux systems, and php on one... :-) -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:22 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Getting PHP to work on an Linux System is much harder than Tomcat. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:17 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I agree that the documentation on virtual hosts is too abstract, unless you want to really learn what you are doing, rather than merely how to do it. An example of different sample server.xml configurations would be advised. At 04:56 PM 4/8/02 +0200, you wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I disagree with the point that installing tomcat is a nightmare, but making it work properly with apache and understanding how to deploy an own web application takes a lot of time, although you might be familiar with strange applications... And you are always stuck in problems where you don't get any idea of what is wrong because of error messages which don't tell you enogh. btw: does anybody know if there is a possibility to catch tomcat error stack when tomcat itself crushes? I had a problem of tomcat crushing each time i tried to access my application, and i didn't know what was wrong! By accident i recognized that there was only missing the mm.mysql-driver in my class-directory. But i didn't expect tomcat to crush without any error message - i expect that i would have found the error much earlier if i would have got the complete java error stack for tomcat main-app... thanks for comments... -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well I took a PHP class and asked my instructor about this scenario. I installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Apache and PHP pre-installed, then I installed MySQL after the fact. I couldn't get PHP to see MySQL, I asked my instructor and he told me that I needed to install PHP after Both Apache and MySQL were installed. I found this strange to accept, but since I had no desire to use PHP after the class I left it at that. -Original Message- From: Jolet, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:25 AM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE I'd have to put them about on par, myself...although, i've gotten tomcat working on 2 linux systems, and php on one... :-) -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:22 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Getting PHP to work on an Linux System is much harder than Tomcat. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:17 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE I agree that the documentation on virtual hosts is too abstract, unless you want to really learn what you are doing, rather than merely how to do it. An example of different sample server.xml configurations would be advised. At 04:56 PM 4/8/02 +0200, you wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's a bit unfair. What you say is just the easy part: Running tomcat stand alone and just using the examples and the manager. There are several problems that can make the installation of tomcat quite difficult. - The documentation is quite confusing. You have to read many documents to get startet and find out how to achieve certain goals. (All this howto's are nice, but you already have to know something to find out, which howto will help you to solve a given problem.) For some documents you need more knowledge than you need write and run simple php skripts. (e.g. Classloader-How-To) Just some little examples (There are more): Connectors: There are two connectors: mod_webapp and mod_jk For a beginner it is very difficult to find out which one to use and what's the difference between them. Both connectors have their pitfalls where you can easily get stuck. It can be hard to find out which one is suitable for the IIS integration if you don't have enough patience. (The introduction just talkes about apache, not iis, not netscape) It would be better to extend the introduction in http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.0-doc/config/ajp.htmlwith with an enumeration which servers are supported and add some links to the part where the integration to each server is described. The Howto is not well organized, the terminology is explained in the apache howto. That's not where I would look if I would want to integrate with IIS (which I won't). Download Page: If you go to the download page http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tomcat-4.0/release/v4.0.3/bin/ there are many file listed. There is no hint what to to with this files, what's the difference between *.exe, *.exe.asc, *.zip, *.tar.gz, *.tar.gz.asc. (The document RUNNING.TXT that is referenced elsewhere on the site just talks about how to install a nighly binary from a zip that has a different name than the existing files) that not a problem for someone who is not doing things like this for the first time, but for a beginner it's at least confusing.) Some subtle problems in the servlet spec: Tell me what's wrong about this (and where can I find a document that explains that): welcome-file-list welcome-file/jsp/index.jsp/welcome-file /welcome-file-list (Tell me what happens. Read as much documentation or specification as you like, but don't look at the tomcat source or try it) or welcome-file-list welcome-filejsp/index.jsp?Action=Start/welcome-file /welcome-file-list (Again) One thing at last: As a servlet engine and jsp container tomcat offers much more than PHP can offer. But at the price that simple things can be more complicated than in other script languages. Currently I have the feeling that some simple things are more complicated than neccesary. (Some of them are more a result of the spec than just a tomcat problem.) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 8. April 2002 18:31 An: Tomcat Users List Betreff: RE: NIGHTMARE snip/ Well in a Unix or Linux environment that is all you have to do. In a Windows environment that will get Tomcat running in a DOS window. To run as an NT Service there are more steps involved. -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 08/04/2002 at 10:37 Timlin, Bob wrote: Well I took a PHP class and asked my instructor about this scenario. I installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Apache and PHP pre-installed, then I installed MySQL after the fact. I couldn't get PHP to see MySQL, I asked my instructor and he told me that I needed to install PHP after Both Apache and MySQL were installed. I found this strange to accept, but since I had no desire to use PHP after the class I left it at that. Hi If logical. If you installed source code to compile and tried to install PHP before install MySQL, PHP will not found MySQL libraries and will not work with it. If download PHP source code you will notice there is a file called INSTALL with 3 simple steps that ALLWAYS work. Regards jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But with Tomcat all I have to do after I install a new database is put the jdbc driver in the TOMCAT/lib directory. No re-compiling or re-installing of the software. Why is PHP so difficult to add components after the fact? -Original Message- From: Javier A. Leyba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:46 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE On 08/04/2002 at 10:37 Timlin, Bob wrote: Well I took a PHP class and asked my instructor about this scenario. I installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Apache and PHP pre-installed, then I installed MySQL after the fact. I couldn't get PHP to see MySQL, I asked my instructor and he told me that I needed to install PHP after Both Apache and MySQL were installed. I found this strange to accept, but since I had no desire to use PHP after the class I left it at that. Hi If logical. If you installed source code to compile and tried to install PHP before install MySQL, PHP will not found MySQL libraries and will not work with it. If download PHP source code you will notice there is a file called INSTALL with 3 simple steps that ALLWAYS work. Regards jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well this has not been my experience. My first attempt at Tomcat, I had the server up and running and executing My JSP files within an hour, not sample JSP's. -Original Message- From: Ralph Einfeldt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:45 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: AW: NIGHTMARE That's a bit unfair. What you say is just the easy part: Running tomcat stand alone and just using the examples and the manager. There are several problems that can make the installation of tomcat quite difficult. - The documentation is quite confusing. You have to read many documents to get startet and find out how to achieve certain goals. (All this howto's are nice, but you already have to know something to find out, which howto will help you to solve a given problem.) For some documents you need more knowledge than you need write and run simple php skripts. (e.g. Classloader-How-To) Just some little examples (There are more): Connectors: There are two connectors: mod_webapp and mod_jk For a beginner it is very difficult to find out which one to use and what's the difference between them. Both connectors have their pitfalls where you can easily get stuck. It can be hard to find out which one is suitable for the IIS integration if you don't have enough patience. (The introduction just talkes about apache, not iis, not netscape) It would be better to extend the introduction in http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.0-doc/config/ajp.htmlwith with an enumeration which servers are supported and add some links to the part where the integration to each server is described. The Howto is not well organized, the terminology is explained in the apache howto. That's not where I would look if I would want to integrate with IIS (which I won't). Download Page: If you go to the download page http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tomcat-4.0/release/v4.0.3/bin/ there are many file listed. There is no hint what to to with this files, what's the difference between *.exe, *.exe.asc, *.zip, *.tar.gz, *.tar.gz.asc. (The document RUNNING.TXT that is referenced elsewhere on the site just talks about how to install a nighly binary from a zip that has a different name than the existing files) that not a problem for someone who is not doing things like this for the first time, but for a beginner it's at least confusing.) Some subtle problems in the servlet spec: Tell me what's wrong about this (and where can I find a document that explains that): welcome-file-list welcome-file/jsp/index.jsp/welcome-file /welcome-file-list (Tell me what happens. Read as much documentation or specification as you like, but don't look at the tomcat source or try it) or welcome-file-list welcome-filejsp/index.jsp?Action=Start/welcome-file /welcome-file-list (Again) One thing at last: As a servlet engine and jsp container tomcat offers much more than PHP can offer. But at the price that simple things can be more complicated than in other script languages. Currently I have the feeling that some simple things are more complicated than neccesary. (Some of them are more a result of the spec than just a tomcat problem.) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 8. April 2002 18:31 An: Tomcat Users List Betreff: RE: NIGHTMARE snip/ Well in a Unix or Linux environment that is all you have to do. In a Windows environment that will get Tomcat running in a DOS window. To run as an NT Service there are more steps involved. -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 08/04/2002 at 10:55 Timlin, Bob wrote: But with Tomcat all I have to do after I install a new database is put the jdbc driver in the TOMCAT/lib directory. No re-compiling or re-installing of the software. Why is PHP so difficult to add components after the fact? Well, it depends what you call difficult :) I don't found difficult to make a ./config and make | make install I suppose it's a design concept problem. PHP needs to be compiled with all you want to be supported, but rarelly you will need to do it more than one time. But, to config a virtual host in Apache with PHP support is by far more easy than to config a virtual host in Tomcat. Personally I prefer to have complicated configurations. They give me jobs, money and food for my family. If configurations are easy and anyone could do it...why somebody will want to have my professional services ?=:-) jl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Search the list! I posted my whole virtual hosts config for Apache 1.3/TC 4 ages ago and it works like a champ. --- Thomas Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I gave up trying to get tomcat and apache to talk together and would have loved better documentation, and perhaps examples that work. Don't get me wrong, I love tomcat, I just want to put my vote in for better docs. on 4/8/02 10:56 AM, Javier A. Leyba at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/04/2002 at 11:48 Martin Mauri wrote: Do what you want. I feel sorry about you. You're losing the best and calling Tomcat a crap tells you're a loser. I've installed Tomcat in 5 minutes. Hi Martin I could say yes and no. I think Tomcat is great, but installatin is not so easy as Apache with PHP and documentation about installing sucks. I guess people need more clear examples to do simple configuration tasks till get the idea. I've installed Tomcat in my XP in 10 minutes but I'm trying to get virtual hosts working from 3 days ago. I'm frustrated and feel myself like a newbie, but I´m not a newbie (damn !) IMHO jl -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well Netscape is still around and version 6.22 is damm good. Remember Netscape is part of the Sun/AOL alliance. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:55 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes I know. I have 6.22 and it works fine, though it's pretty heavy to start up. Once it's up is damn good. And the interface rocks! - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well Netscape is still around and version 6.22 is damm good. Remember Netscape is part of the Sun/AOL alliance. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:55 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I read an article recently about why Microsoft is already dead. Two points were interesting. 1. As PC's fall in price the percentage of the cost of the MS Tax increases. 3. Linux is already the official operating system of emerging economies of India and China, as well as many Latin American countries. Microsoft is eyed suspiciously much more around the world then in the U.S. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:34 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Yes I know. I have 6.22 and it works fine, though it's pretty heavy to start up. Once it's up is damn good. And the interface rocks! - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Well Netscape is still around and version 6.22 is damm good. Remember Netscape is part of the Sun/AOL alliance. -Original Message- From: Martin Mauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:55 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Anyway I have a little scare about M$ strategies. Figure out that they always have something under the hood. Remember the fight against IExplorer and Netscape Navigator, who won? - Original Message - From: Timlin, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE As usual, by the time they figure it out, it will be a fact two years deep. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE While I am a big J2EE fan, I wonder if Microsoft has heard this news? -Original Message- From: Timlin, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:20 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: NIGHTMARE Except PHP has no FUTURE. The whole world is moving to J2EE. -Original Message- From: Micael Padraig Og mac Grene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:14 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE Good move! If you find Tomcat hard, you need to stick to PHP. At 01:22 PM 4/8/02 +, you wrote: Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Arni, About three years ago we went through many web servers in the market and found Tomcat simple to install. We found it simple because we had a lot of exposure to different web servers that run in a number if different environments and an extensive background in the various programming and scripting languages targeting the web development especially in the area of java. What we did find was a lack of documentation beyond the out of the box install type.The way we resolved this was to use this great e-mail list and constructed our own internal knowledge base in addressing the various issues we encounter on a day to day basis.(we now do this as a standard procedure with all our open source projects, I'm sure there is a similar archive maintained by the apache/tomcat group ) Till this day I think I've only ever had to post two e-mails, this is my third - thanks for the opportunity :-) Regards, George Shafik Great works are performed, not by strength, but by perseverance; yonder palace was raised by single stones, yet you see its height and spaciousness. He that shall walk with vigour three hours a day, will pass in seven years a space equal to the circumference of the globe. Johnson: Rasselas [Imlac] - Original Message - From: Árni Arent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:22 PM Subject: NIGHTMARE Your software, Tomcat, is a nightmare to install. I've spent 2 WHOLE days trying to make it work without success. Endless configuration files, paths, etc. making this a impossible software to use. I doubt I'm the only one who has complaint. I won't use this crap, I'm switching to PHP, took me 5 minutes to figure that out. || ||| Árni Arent Guðlaugsson Forritari og Autonomy sérfræðingur Íslandsvefir ehf. Thorvaldsensstræti 4 101 Reykjavík / Iceland -- Tel: +354 552 6300 Fax: +354 552 6302 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.islandsvefir.is/ http://www.ha.is/ Bættu ha.is á vefsíðuna þína: http://www.ha.is/almennt/tenging.asp || ||| -- To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Troubles with the list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
