Re: [Torios-dev] migration from zenity to FLTK stuff

[Cinque Port Computers]

Thanks for the update Israel.

From: Torios-dev 
 on behalf of 
Israel 
Sent: 02 August 2018 11:55 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] migration from zenity to FLTK stuff

Hi,

I have been really busy lately with real life stuff... lots of things
going on...

Anyhow, I finished an initial test for an FLTK based (X11) volume indicator.

There are some obvious issues:

 - background does reflect the background of the dock... the place where
the icon goes, but it looks OK on default ToriOS theme.

 - icon looks pretty terrible.

 - preferences dialog crashes

 - no way to configure it.

 - volume slider works counter-intuitively (down is up)

But... all those issues aside, it does indeed work for ALSA.  You can
watch the volume change, and modify it with the slider.

I have some initial code for the scroll button to change volume, but
have not implemented it.


IF you want to give it a try update your repos, and install

fltk-volume

then run it from a terminal (same name as package)

this will run it side-by-side with the current one so you can see how
bad it looks, and how well it actually reflects the changes (it does
work nicely)

This means, I can eventually (probably) move the battery icon into a
similar one, or perhaps make the volume one handle either, just run with
a different argument.

Feel free to test it.


I also have started work on moving all the little programs into little
binaries.  I have the askpass program already moved to FLTK binary, and
will work on the about dialog, and eventually the others.

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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS 2.0 background

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Hi Guys,

Just a thought ; has anyone considered using SourceForge for the project files 
as a backup for Phil's personal server site which is not 100% available (as we 
have learned from the past)?  We would lose everything if Phil one day pulled 
his server for whatever reasons (apart from what we personally have downloaded 
and saved).

Regards,
Jack

From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
Sent: 12 April 2018 4:32 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers; Israel
Cc: Jack D. Trice; torios- dev; torios
Subject: Re: [Torios] [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0 background

Hi Jack,

*Only the tarball on USB and the rest of the Live iso file on a CD*

The other alternative (with a big iso file including a tarball) works on
DVD and USB pendrives and memory cards (that are big enough).

Best regards
Nio

Den 2018-04-12 kl. 17:05, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
> HI Israel et al,
>
> Can you clarify for me:  when you have mentioned storing a tarball on a
> USB stick for installation, are you talking about having the whole iso
> file including the tarball on the USB stick, or just the tarball on USB
> and the rest of the Live iso file on a CD?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack
> 
> *From:* Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 12 April 2018 1:16 PM
> *To:* Nio Wiklund; Cinque Port Computers; torios- dev; torios
> *Cc:* Jack D. Trice
> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0 background
> Hi everyone
> (inlines)
> On 04/12/2018 05:05 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Hi Jack and everybody else,
>>
>> Answer/comment inline
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> Den 2018-04-12 kl. 10:21, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
>>> Hi Israel, Nico,
>>>
>>> 1) I have no opinion one way or the other about the suggested
>>> wallpapers; I'm not very good at judging what is artistically
>>> pleasing one way or the other; although I will just say that a
>>> refreshed wallpaper maybe a good idea over the one we've had for a
>>> long while now.
>>
>> I agree.
> Sounds like a consensus.  It is a good idea also because I shrunk the
> current image in size and now we have 3, rather than one, so I say lets
> do it.  We really probably have room for more too, so if we decide to do
> it again, I think one more can fit within the size of our old one.
>>
>>> 2) Is it absolutely a requirement to still now produce a CD-sized
>>> iso?  If it still is, then can the tarball be removed and downloaded
>>> at install time?  Just a thought.
>>
>> I am not sure, if there are still people who use (or intend to use)
>> ToriOS in computers that must be booted from CD. I think such
>> computers are 15 years old.
>>
> I agree with that.
> I do think to avoid feature creep, etc... it is a great idea to continue
> to try to get it close to CD size.
> Plus we also want to take into account people with bad internet
> connections and costly ones as well.
> The less bandwidth we take the better!
>> It is possible to download the tarball at install time.
>>
> It absolutely is, you can also install from a tarball on an external USB
>> But there should also be a bigger iso file with the tarball included.
>> It should be smaller than 1.8 GB with some margin for undersized 2 GB
>> pendrives (10-based gigabytes).
>>
> I hope to keep it at 1 GiB as the max (and much smaller than that)
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS 2.0 background

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HI Israel et al,

Can you clarify for me:  when you have mentioned storing a tarball on a USB 
stick for installation, are you talking about having the whole iso file 
including the tarball on the USB stick, or just the tarball on USB and the rest 
of the Live iso file on a CD?

Thanks,
Jack

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 12 April 2018 1:16 PM
To: Nio Wiklund; Cinque Port Computers; torios- dev; torios
Cc: Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios] [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0 background

Hi everyone
(inlines)
On 04/12/2018 05:05 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi Jack and everybody else,
>
> Answer/comment inline
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2018-04-12 kl. 10:21, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
>> Hi Israel, Nico,
>>
>> 1) I have no opinion one way or the other about the suggested
>> wallpapers; I'm not very good at judging what is artistically
>> pleasing one way or the other; although I will just say that a
>> refreshed wallpaper maybe a good idea over the one we've had for a
>> long while now.
>
> I agree.
Sounds like a consensus.  It is a good idea also because I shrunk the
current image in size and now we have 3, rather than one, so I say lets
do it.  We really probably have room for more too, so if we decide to do
it again, I think one more can fit within the size of our old one.
>
>> 2) Is it absolutely a requirement to still now produce a CD-sized
>> iso?  If it still is, then can the tarball be removed and downloaded
>> at install time?  Just a thought.
>
> I am not sure, if there are still people who use (or intend to use)
> ToriOS in computers that must be booted from CD. I think such
> computers are 15 years old.
>
I agree with that.
I do think to avoid feature creep, etc... it is a great idea to continue
to try to get it close to CD size.
Plus we also want to take into account people with bad internet
connections and costly ones as well.
The less bandwidth we take the better!
> It is possible to download the tarball at install time.
>
It absolutely is, you can also install from a tarball on an external USB
> But there should also be a bigger iso file with the tarball included.
> It should be smaller than 1.8 GB with some margin for undersized 2 GB
> pendrives (10-based gigabytes).
>
I hope to keep it at 1 GiB as the max (and much smaller than that)
> Best regards
> Nio

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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS 2.0 background

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Hi Israel, Nico,

1) I have no opinion one way or the other about the suggested wallpapers; I'm 
not very good at judging what is artistically pleasing one way or the other; 
although I will just say that a refreshed wallpaper maybe a good idea over the 
one we've had for a long while now.

2) Is it absolutely a requirement to still now produce a CD-sized iso?  If it 
still is, then can the tarball be removed and downloaded at install time?  Just 
a thought.

Regards,
Jack

From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2018 10:08 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers; Israel; torios- dev; torios
Subject: Re: [Torios] [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0 background

Hi Jack,

Please tell us what you think about

1. The suggested wallpaper(s).

2. How to balance between size and completeness of the ISO file:

---
Aside from that changing the size by KiB is not going to do much, we
need to reduce it by MiB.  Systemd really made our footprint balloon
pretty substantially, and make some things more complicated and not work
as well... but... it is what it is :)  I will again try to limit the
size of everything in the newer ISO, however I may have to dig deeper
and look for things that I can get rid of, and see if I can shrink the
tarball pretty substantially, OR

a.) rework the live system to be extremely bare bones (text only) for a
special CD sized ISO.

b.) make an ISO with the tarball NOT included so it can be kept on a USB
to install to keep it CD sized.
---

Best regards
Nio

Den 2018-04-04 kl. 09:38, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
> Hi Nio,
>
> I'm not sure or clear on what you want us others to pass an opinion on;
> I'm confused.
>
> Regards,
> Jack
> 
> *From:* Torios
> <torios-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of
> Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 04 April 2018 8:07 AM
> *To:* Israel; torios- dev; torios
> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0 background
> Den 2018-04-03 kl. 23:21, skrev Israel:
>> On 04/03/2018 11:36 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> Den 2018-04-03 kl. 15:55, skrev Israel:
>>>> On 04/03/2018 02:34 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>>>> Den 2018-04-02 kl. 19:24, skrev Israel: 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Israel,
>>>
>>> Yes, it is a good idea generally. But if including 3 images will make
>>> the size exceed some size limit, it is better to have only one image
>>> in the default package (the tarball).
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>
>> Hey Nio,
>>
>> The size of the original current background is 187.3 KiB
>>
>> The size of the 3 smaller images is 107.8 KiB
>>
>> So we are actually saving 80(ish) KiB by changing to this.  I think this
>> is really good because it offers more backgrounds, and reduces the size.
>>
>> Aside from that changing the size by KiB is not going to do much, we
>> need to reduce it by MiB.  Systemd really made our footprint balloon
>> pretty substantially, and make some things more complicated and not work
>> as well... but... it is what it is :)  I will again try to limit the
>> size of everything in the newer ISO, however I may have to dig deeper
>> and look for things that I can get rid of, and see if I can shrink the
>> tarball pretty substantially, OR
>>
>> a.) rework the live system to be extremely bare bones (text only) for a
>> special CD sized ISO.
>>
>> b.) make an ISO with the tarball NOT included so it can be kept on a USB
>> to install to keep it CD sized.
>>
>
> Hi Israel, and all toriosadores,
>
> 1. I am waiting for the opinions of you other toriosadores ... :-)
>
> 2. Instead of shrinking the tarball pretty substantially, I think your
> alternatives, a.) and b.), are better.
>
> If possible, I think it would be best with a text only live system for a
> CD sized ISO file. But I have tested the alternative with a separate
> tarball (or separate tarballs) with the original One Button Installer,
> and if the user group people accept it, fine :-)
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS 2.0 background

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Hi Nio,

I'm not sure or clear on what you want us others to pass an opinion on; I'm 
confused.

Regards,
Jack

From: Torios  on 
behalf of Nio Wiklund 
Sent: 04 April 2018 8:07 AM
To: Israel; torios- dev; torios
Subject: Re: [Torios] [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0 background

Den 2018-04-03 kl. 23:21, skrev Israel:
> On 04/03/2018 11:36 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Den 2018-04-03 kl. 15:55, skrev Israel:
>>> On 04/03/2018 02:34 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 Den 2018-04-02 kl. 19:24, skrev Israel: 
>>>
>>
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> Yes, it is a good idea generally. But if including 3 images will make
>> the size exceed some size limit, it is better to have only one image
>> in the default package (the tarball).
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
> Hey Nio,
>
> The size of the original current background is 187.3 KiB
>
> The size of the 3 smaller images is 107.8 KiB
>
> So we are actually saving 80(ish) KiB by changing to this.  I think this
> is really good because it offers more backgrounds, and reduces the size.
>
> Aside from that changing the size by KiB is not going to do much, we
> need to reduce it by MiB.  Systemd really made our footprint balloon
> pretty substantially, and make some things more complicated and not work
> as well... but... it is what it is :)  I will again try to limit the
> size of everything in the newer ISO, however I may have to dig deeper
> and look for things that I can get rid of, and see if I can shrink the
> tarball pretty substantially, OR
>
> a.) rework the live system to be extremely bare bones (text only) for a
> special CD sized ISO.
>
> b.) make an ISO with the tarball NOT included so it can be kept on a USB
> to install to keep it CD sized.
>

Hi Israel, and all toriosadores,

1. I am waiting for the opinions of you other toriosadores ... :-)

2. Instead of shrinking the tarball pretty substantially, I think your
alternatives, a.) and b.), are better.

If possible, I think it would be best with a text only live system for a
CD sized ISO file. But I have tested the alternative with a separate
tarball (or separate tarballs) with the original One Button Installer,
and if the user group people accept it, fine :-)

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

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Hi Israel,

1) I couldn't get zsync to complete and so I re-downloaded the full new iso 
file.
2) md5sum didn't match.
3) Installed ok in VB using text mode obi installer.
4) Installed chromium browser ok using Common Tasks.

That's all for now,
Jack

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 March 2018 6:29 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers; Nio Wiklund
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

Hey Everyone,
I uploaded the newer version, which worked pretty well in my testing.  I fixed 
the missing /etc issue, and I think most of the other things.
I did not get a bunch of time to test it, but my initial testing did well, and 
it all worked.
So please re zsync or download the newer ISO.
It is the same address as below:

On 03/17/2018 03:55 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

>> The zsync should work this time and if you don't want to refind the
>> links:
>>
>> All in one download and check:
>>
>> http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso.zsync
>>
>> ISO and manual md5sum
>>
>> http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso
>>
>> http://phillw.net/isos/torios/md5sum.testing
>>
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Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

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Thanks for the replies Israel and Nico ; I thought maybe my emails were being 
marked as spam or something.

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 March 2018 1:31 AM
To: Nio Wiklund; Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

Hi Jack and Nio,
I have gotten your e-mails also... sorry I have been working on fixing
it, and checking on things.
I started an e-mail but did not finish it.

I am working on this!

On 03/16/2018 05:09 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
> I can read your mails :-)
>
> I have the same problem with the latest but not greatest iso file. The
> previous one is better.
>
> md5sum ToriOS-2018-03-13-beta-stretch-i386.iso
> efa3eba6bf82fdadfa340fcfb19e1e2b
>
> It works fairly well I would say, when updated & upgraded it can even
> install the PAE kernel.
>
> If you can't find it (because it is overwritten) I have uploaded it
> for you at
>
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/2017-03/
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2018-03-16 kl. 19:57, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> I hope you are seeing my emails; I have sent several now with no
>> response at all from anyone. 
>>
>> I tried the basic installer yet again but cannot get past trying to
>> set a timezone. It fails to set anything I choose and then loops back
>> to asking me to set one again.
>>
>> I cannot make any more progress with this latest iso.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jack
>> --------
>> *From:* Torios-dev
>> <torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on
>> behalf of Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
>> *Sent:* 16 March 2018 1:51 PM
>> *To:* Israel
>> *Cc:* torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
>> *Subject:* Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for
>> zsync
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> As I reported before, I cannot finish a successful install even after
>> updating the Live system with the latest obi-installer.  I keep
>> getting odd chroot fail messages; 2 screenshots attached.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jack
>>
>> PS: this is with PAE set and without in VB.
>> 
>> *From:* Torios-dev
>> <torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on
>> behalf of Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
>> *Sent:* 15 March 2018 11:32 PM
>> *To:* Israel; torios- dev
>> *Cc:* torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
>> *Subject:* Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for
>> zsync
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> Tried installing with graphical installer but it got some sort of
>> chroot failure message and aborted.
>>
>> Tried installing with text installer and could not get past setting
>> the timezone.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jack
>> 
>> *From:* Torios-dev
>> <torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on
>> behalf of Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 15 March 2018 12:30 PM
>> *To:* torios- dev
>> *Subject:* [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Paul - I have added the fixes you requested and things should be more
>> logical in the menus, at least the things I can control.
>>
>>
>> In my testing the reboot option worked, however your mileage may
>> vary...  Nio has brought to my attention 2 major things that need
>> addressed before I can let the main ToriOS list know that there is an
>> ISO ready to be tested.  So this one will be an intermediary testing
>> release.  Please check to see that things work nicely and that there are
>> no more major/minor issues that we can see.  I will work towards fixing
>> the other things ASAP.
>>
>> The zsync should work this time and if you don't want to refind the
>> links:
>>
>> All in one download and check:
>>
>> http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso.zsync
>>
>> ISO and manual md5sum
>>
>> http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso
>>
>> http://phillw.net/isos/torios/md5sum.testing
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

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Hi Israel,

I hope you are seeing my emails; I have sent several now with no response at 
all from anyone.   

I tried the basic installer yet again but cannot get past trying to set a 
timezone. It fails to set anything I choose and then loops back to asking me to 
set one again.

I cannot make any more progress with this latest iso.

Regards,
Jack

From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
Sent: 16 March 2018 1:51 PM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

Hi Israel,

As I reported before, I cannot finish a successful install even after updating 
the Live system with the latest obi-installer.  I keep getting odd chroot fail 
messages; 2 screenshots attached.

Regards,
Jack

PS: this is with PAE set and without in VB.

From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
Sent: 15 March 2018 11:32 PM
To: Israel; torios- dev
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

Hi Israel,

Tried installing with graphical installer but it got some sort of chroot 
failure message and aborted.

Tried installing with text installer and could not get past setting the 
timezone.

Regards,
Jack

From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 15 March 2018 12:30 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

Hi everyone,

Paul - I have added the fixes you requested and things should be more
logical in the menus, at least the things I can control.


In my testing the reboot option worked, however your mileage may
vary...  Nio has brought to my attention 2 major things that need
addressed before I can let the main ToriOS list know that there is an
ISO ready to be tested.  So this one will be an intermediary testing
release.  Please check to see that things work nicely and that there are
no more major/minor issues that we can see.  I will work towards fixing
the other things ASAP.

The zsync should work this time and if you don't want to refind the
links:

All in one download and check:

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso.zsync

ISO and manual md5sum

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/md5sum.testing

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Re: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

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Hi Israel,

Tried installing with graphical installer but it got some sort of chroot 
failure message and aborted.

Tried installing with text installer and could not get past setting the 
timezone.

Regards,
Jack

From: Torios-dev 
 on behalf of 
Israel 
Sent: 15 March 2018 12:30 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] New version with menu fixes available for zsync

Hi everyone,

Paul - I have added the fixes you requested and things should be more
logical in the menus, at least the things I can control.


In my testing the reboot option worked, however your mileage may
vary...  Nio has brought to my attention 2 major things that need
addressed before I can let the main ToriOS list know that there is an
ISO ready to be tested.  So this one will be an intermediary testing
release.  Please check to see that things work nicely and that there are
no more major/minor issues that we can see.  I will work towards fixing
the other things ASAP.

The zsync should work this time and if you don't want to refind the
links:

All in one download and check:

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso.zsync

ISO and manual md5sum

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/md5sum.testing

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Re: [Torios-dev] March Debian Testing ISO

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Hi Israel,

Installed fine using graphical installer to VB.  Auto-login worked this time 
and installing chromium browser worked fine via Common Tasks.

More testing later.

Regards,
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From: Torios-dev 
 on behalf of 
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Sent: 13 March 2018 5:08 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] March Debian Testing ISO


Hey everyone,

You can zsync/download the latest ISO.

I have it named as ToriOS-Testing.iso

Here are the links!

All in one download and check:

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso.zsync

ISO and manual md5sum

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-Testing.iso

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/md5sum.testing

Paul noticed some issues with the user configuration dialogs in his testing, 
and those are fixed, but NOT in this ISO... they will be in the next build.

I also noticed I need to update JWM for this version... there may be some minor 
issues from this (jwm -p will complain about the 'Mouse' tag until I do update 
it)

AFAIK autologin works... at least it has the past 4-5 times for me on my VMs, 
so this is fixed.

Memory is now displayed properly in the text-mode-menu.

Things work pretty well now, and PAE installation should NOT show up, since 
Stretch does not have a non-PAE kernel neither does bionic for that 
matter which we may need to address at some point.

The 'firstrun' dialog should now actually work.  If it doesn't:

sudo apt update && sudo apt -y full-upgrade && firstrun

And see if it works... I may not have gotten the update in (not sure I've 
rebuilt and tested and tweaked so much in the past few days I cannot say for 
sure if the update is in)

So... test and see how close we are!

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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing Debian Stretch

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That's good to hear, Israel thank you.

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 10 March 2018 2:33 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: || ΣΖΟ ||; Nio Wiklund; torios- dev
Subject: Re: Testing Debian Stretch

On 03/02/2018 08:18 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hey Jack,
I have been working on the 'autologin' issue in the ISO, and now have a fully 
working version!!  I will port the changes over to the firstrun/common tasks 
dialog and continue to look into the issues with installing things commonly.  
The issues were mostly due to checking for a single release (jessie) as opposed 
to checking for "Debian" or "Ubuntu".

All in all I hope to update the ISO soon, and give you something to test again.


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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing Debian Stretch

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Hi israel,

Booting into VB seemed to go ok.

Jack

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 02 March 2018 2:14 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
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Subject: Re: Testing Debian Stretch

Hi Jack
(inlines)

On 03/02/2018 04:06 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:
Hi Israel,

I installed this one ok in graphics mode in VB with the following initial 
observations:

1) Asking for autologin did not work, as I had to login,  and using Common 
Tasks to change it didn't change it either.
Yes I know about this bug.  Debian Stretch does things very differently I have 
tried a few ways of doing this, but I am not familiar enough with how to do 
this yet to fix it, thank you for reminding me!
2) Trying to use Common Tasks to install several common browsers never worked; 
mostly it kept taking me via the builtin Links 2 "browser" to the requested 
browser's website.

This is a good catch, I think I have not updated that to fully support Debian 
stretch.  I will look into the code and see what I need to do to fix things.  
it could also be that the architecture being 686 is the issue.  I will check on 
some things.
That's it for now.

Cheers,
Jack

Thanks for testing so quickly!
Did you have any issues booting, or did that go smoothly?

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Re: [Torios-dev] text-mode-menu ISO (in progress)

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Thanks for the detailed updates Israel ; keep up the good work.  


From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 07 February 2018 4:10 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] text-mode-menu ISO (in progress)

Hi everyone,

I have located the issue within text-mode-menu and everything bringing
it into a fully working version!

However, I had long ago, reworked certain parts of OBI for specific use
inside X even when using dialog, so there are a few things I am working
out to make it work better now.

I have also been really trying very hard to modularize OBI and make it
so I use less functions repetitively.  So, I have brought all the common
code I could into the main sourced file which I have renamed
'obi-functions'  so it is easier to understand in the code (function is
a keyword in bash, so the filename functions might be unclear at times).

I found some more old bugs in doing this.  Some things were not being
caught because there was not error checking to catch these things.  It
has made a lot of problems show up, since I now test the result of most
commands.  Some things just carried on without noticing the error, and
now things stop abruptly.  This has made a lot more work for me, but
things are now logging accurately and being worked out quite well, since
it is quite easy to see which thing failed in what file :)

I am very near having an ISO for public testing, though I still need to
make sure that this next OBI build has everything fixed in it.  I have
only been testing the standard installation mode, but I have tested it
in the text-mode-menu OBI, as well as the zenity OBI.

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Re: [Torios-dev] (Was Re: OBI update) New Testing ISO!

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Hi Israel,

I did a test install okay in VB but got the same sudo issues as Nio reported.

Regards,
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Sent: 20 January 2018 10:11 PM
To: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] (Was Re: OBI update) New Testing ISO!

Hi Nio, quick update on looking into those issues:
On 01/20/2018 03:43 PM, Israel wrote:
> Hi Nio,
> Thanks for the detailed notes!!
> (inlines below)
>
> On 01/20/2018 02:45 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> ...
>> a. I first started the default way, but when I found that it would
>> install to the whole drive, I said 'no' and then tried to select
>> advanced mode. It failed (nothing happened). This is a bug.
>>
> Weird.  This is a big bug.  I will look into this.  It should be a
> simple fix (I hope)
I think I found the issue here.  But I wont know for sure until I do
some testing.  But I may have cleared this problem up (it was mostly due
to using a localized variable)
>> Then I quit the installer and restarted it. Now I could select
>> advanced mode.
>>
>> b. Installing the bootloader I presume: The window for selecting
>> target device does not tell what is to be installed (I think it used
>> to tell that it was about the bootloader, now only 'select device -
>> and continue'). After selecting it tells what it is all about, but
>> that is too late :-P
>>
> Hmmm... ok this should also be an easy fix.  The text of the dialog
> should give advice on which device to install to.  But I may have made
> things less clear.
I accidentally removed the title from this script when trying to add the
code to display the root device things are installed to.  It was an easy
fix, and a simple mistake.
> 

I will look into rebuilding things, making them smaller and getting rid
of the sudo issue.

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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] OBI

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Thanks for the updates Israel.

From: Torios  on 
behalf of Israel 
Sent: 19 December 2017 5:37 PM
To: torios
Subject: [Torios] OBI

Hi all,

This is a quick update from the development side of ToriOS.

There have been some usability issues found in OBI, so the next version
of OBI (currently in testing and development) will have a simpler menu
system (though you can still revert to the more complicated menu by
enabling the advanced mode). I have also been trying to address dialog
sizing issues (title bars are cut off) and also offer a good default to
assist users installing GRUB (indicate they might install it to the
device they are installing to).

I have also tested installing ToriOS from one computer booting the live
ISO to install onto an external USB drive, which works quite well.

The next release of an ISO will be a good step forward bringing in a
culmination of a lot of testing and fixes!

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Re: [Torios-dev] Quick Update

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Hi Israel,


I'm glad you are still active.  Thanks for the update.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 12 November 2017 7:28 AM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Quick Update

Den 2017-11-12 kl. 01:07, skrev Israel:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been extremely busy lately, so I haven't gotten time to do much
> of anything, though I did fix a small bug in jwm-settings-manager when
> editing/adding buttons to the panel involving executing a program.
>
> I have recently begun playing with Vala, which is a language for
> writting GTK+ apps in a syntax similar to Java/C#/haXe/etc...  I am
> doing this for a few reasons:
>
> 1. you know me I like to learn about programming and so I have to keep
> learning things.
>
> 2. it is a really easy language to write apps really quickly with a lot
> of things already in place that I have written backend stuff for.  I can
> combine it with Glade/GTK Builder to make interfaces fairly complicated
> really quickly.
>
> 3. Purism.  In case you missed the events earlier in the year, Purism is
> building a fully GNU/Linux Phone based on Debian using GNOME/GTK+ (and
> probably KDE/Qt).  I am so interested in this project I have been
> devoting time to learning GTK, as I am fully convinced this type of
> Phone OS is EXTREMELY needed in the world of Google/Apple phones.  We
> need a free phone which does not mine data from us constantly.
>
> 4.ToriOS.  Some of the apps I have wanted to make would be extremely
> difficult to do using FLTK, things like the volume/battery indicators
> (ours are Bash scripts I wrote using yad), but Vala compiles out to pure
> C code, so I am hoping to be able to remake the indicators in compiled
> code.  I had been working to make FLTK create an indicator (which I did
> successfully, though it was not as good as the yad versions) and now
> that I have learned about Vala I find that I can most likely create the
> interface (including preferences/about/etc windows) pretty easily and
> compile them into pure C code.
>
> I have also been really busy with real life here!
>

Thanks for this update, Israel :-)

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Torios-dev] New Xenial ISO

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Hi Israel,

So is there a newer 64-bit  .iso file available now then or ...?

Cheers,
Jack

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 14 September 2017 11:20 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New Xenial ISO

On 09/14/2017 01:36 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:
Hi Israel,

Installed this version okay in VB ; only glitch so far is that one I mentioned 
in the last 64-bit version where after installing chromium-browser I had to 
force it into the menu system using your recommended  'jwm-menu --reload && jwm 
-restart'.

Cheers,
Jack


Ok Jack, this fix is in the new package, as well as fixes for OBI (hopefully 
this makes autologin work reliably... we shall see :P)
I also made some more minor improvements to the OSmaker/ISOmaker common scripts 
so this next build should be pretty fantastic (I hope)
It may be good enough to promote on the downloads page!
Our first official 64bit ToriOS!!
And if we want we can include a ton of software and make it huge... right now I 
do include Geany by default... but don't set it to handle the text files... I 
guess I should, though.


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Re: [Torios-dev] New Xenial ISO

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Hi Israel,

Installed this version okay in VB ; only glitch so far is that one I mentioned 
in the last 64-bit version where after installing chromium-browser I had to 
force it into the menu system using your recommended  'jwm-menu --reload && jwm 
-restart'.

Cheers,
Jack


From: Torios-dev 
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Israel 
Sent: 13 September 2017 11:40 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] New Xenial ISO

Hey all,

This one is a pretty neat version.  Autologin is disabled (since there
is a bug that Jack discovered) and so it will tell you lightdm is not
installed.

However I built the tarball using OSmaker scripts.

I also modified OBI a bit, to simply generate the fstab file, and let
the grub installer generate all the configuration files.  It works
well.  The past 5 builds I made like this all worked so I am pretty
confident this will work well for you!

phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-2017-09-12-beta-xenial-amd64.iso

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Re: [Torios-dev] fltk-dash

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Hi Israel,

How do I activate or know I'm using this new menu program after installing it?

Regards,
Jack

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Sent: 11 September 2017 3:19 PM
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] fltk-dash

Hi all,

I made a menu program similar to the XFCE 'Whisker Menu'

It is small and reasonably fast, as well as fairly configurable now.

If you get a chance test it out.

sudo apt update && sudo apt install fltk-dash

I might default it to a right click on the Apps button, or a middle
click if this is a good enough program for general usage.

I've had a guy testing it a bunch, and suggesting features, and
improvements, so it does work, and works pretty well and is stable by now.

There may be a few quirks that I missed but it seems to be a really nice
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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Hi Israel,

The recommended 'jwm-menu --reload && jwm -restart'  did the trick and now 
there is a new 'Web Browser' menu entry in Apps -> Network.

Cheers,
Jack

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 September 2017 11:31 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

Hi Jack,
(inlines)
On 09/04/2017 08:38 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:
Hi Israel,

One observation: I tried Common Tasks, Install a Browser for Chromium, but it 
didn't do much, so I installed it via 'apt install chromium-browser' 
successfully.

That is really odd... I will check the common tasks and see... it has been a 
while since we have used it in Ubuntu... so it probably is missing something...
After many reboots, that browser entry has still not appeared in the menu 
system anywhere; normally I would see it in Apps > Network , from previous 
observations.

Hmm... try in a terminal:
jwm-menu --reload && jwm -restart
See if that helps... I will work on getting things back in order
(more below)
Regards,
Jack

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Sent: 04 September 2017 7:38 AM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

Hi Israel,

Progress...I got it installed okay in VB now.

GREAT!
I re-installed and tried 2 changes: #1 I requested no autlogin and 2# I asked 
for 'check for updates'.

It may be the autologin thing then... not sure I will check it out and see.
I also noticed in the LiveCD vsn running it couldn't connect to my wired 
ethernet but it's fine in the installed system.

Yeah this is known issue in Ubuntu... not sure why it doesn't work as expected 
I tried so many hacks earlier to get this working to no avail :(
It is something to look further into though.  I will see what I can do.
Cheers,
Jack
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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Hi Israel,

One observation: I tried Common Tasks, Install a Browser for Chromium, but it 
didn't do much, so I installed it via 'apt install chromium-browser' 
successfully.

After many reboots, that browser entry has still not appeared in the menu 
system anywhere; normally I would see it in Apps > Network , from previous 
observations.

Regards,
Jack

From: Torios-dev 
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Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
Sent: 04 September 2017 7:38 AM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

Hi Israel,

Progress...I got it installed okay in VB now.

I re-installed and tried 2 changes: #1 I requested no autlogin and 2# I asked 
for 'check for updates'.

I also noticed in the LiveCD vsn running it couldn't connect to my wired 
ethernet but it's fine in the installed system.

Cheers,
Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 September 2017 1:50 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 05:24 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


1 screenie attached... showing files you mentioned.


I noticed in /etc/fstab there were comments about finding drives on sdb1 and 
sdb5 which I tried then editing fstab entries to use /dev/sda1 and dev/sda5 but 
it still got stuck waiting on hold for a job that never finished...the 
/etc/fstab contents shown have my edits included.


Regards,

Jack

...
Hey Jack,

Does commenting out the line:
source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
help?

This is really odd, it installed and booted fine on my KVM machine.  the 
commented lines in your fstab shouldn't mess with anything.
It is really strange that it isn't working though...

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Hi Israel,

Progress...I got it installed okay in VB now.

I re-installed and tried 2 changes: #1 I requested no autlogin and 2# I asked 
for 'check for updates'.

I also noticed in the LiveCD vsn running it couldn't connect to my wired 
ethernet but it's fine in the installed system.

Cheers,
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From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 September 2017 1:50 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 05:24 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


1 screenie attached... showing files you mentioned.


I noticed in /etc/fstab there were comments about finding drives on sdb1 and 
sdb5 which I tried then editing fstab entries to use /dev/sda1 and dev/sda5 but 
it still got stuck waiting on hold for a job that never finished...the 
/etc/fstab contents shown have my edits included.


Regards,

Jack

...
Hey Jack,

Does commenting out the line:
source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
help?

This is really odd, it installed and booted fine on my KVM machine.  the 
commented lines in your fstab shouldn't mess with anything.
It is really strange that it isn't working though...

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Hi Israel,


1 screenie attached... showing files you mentioned.


I noticed in /etc/fstab there were comments about finding drives on sdb1 and 
sdb5 which I tried then editing fstab entries to use /dev/sda1 and dev/sda5 but 
it still got stuck waiting on hold for a job that never finished...the 
/etc/fstab contents shown have my edits included.


Regards,

Jack





From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 03 September 2017 10:47 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 04:41 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Installed in VB but stalls on booting up on 'job' that never finishes; see 
attached screenie.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 03 September 2017 9:46 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 08:22 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Great ; let me know when the Xenial 64-bit is available then.  

..
It is now available :D
http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-2017-08-29-beta-xenial-amd64.iso

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Hi Jack...

this might be an fstab issue, or perhaps a network issue

can you send your

/etc/fstab

and

/etc/network/interfaces

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[Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Hi Israel,


Installed in VB but stalls on booting up on 'job' that never finishes; see 
attached screenie.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 03 September 2017 9:46 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 08:22 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Great ; let me know when the Xenial 64-bit is available then.  

..
It is now available :D
http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-2017-08-29-beta-xenial-amd64.iso

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Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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what is the link for the xenial 64-bit version ?



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Sent: 03 September 2017 2:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)


Great ; let me know when the Xenial 64-bit is available then.  




From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 03 September 2017 2:11 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 06:43 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Any news on fixing the .iso to enable further testing of this 64-bit version ?


Jack



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Actually I just checked and Phill got it working again on his end, so I am 
uploading the 64 bit xenial iso.  It has a lot of the same features as the 
Jessie version, but has more up to date packages of course.

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Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Great ; let me know when the Xenial 64-bit is available then.  




From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 03 September 2017 2:11 PM
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Cc: torios- dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

On 09/03/2017 06:43 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Any news on fixing the .iso to enable further testing of this 64-bit version ?


Jack



...
Actually I just checked and Phill got it working again on his end, so I am 
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Re: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

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Hi Israel,


Any news on fixing the .iso to enable further testing of this 64-bit version ?


Jack



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Subject: [Torios-dev] 64bit Jessie ISO (Accessibility)

Hi everyone,

I finished making a 64bit version of Debian Jessie with a lot of the
Accessibility options baked in.

If you are interested (it contains none of the problems Jack reported AFAIK)

http://phillw.net/isos/torios/ToriOS-mpmc.iso

It is MUCH larger 903MiB but contains a more full Live ISO
(jwm-settings-manager, geany, synaptic)

I have further refined ISOmaker (git clone
https://github.com/Israel-/ISOmaker.git) and have a really decent
[https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/4912582?v=4=400]

Israel-/ISOmaker
github.com
ISOmaker - ToriOS ISO maker script



working system that allows a lot of customization based on ARCH (like
amd64) and RELEASE (xenial, jessie, etc...)

You can make the release fairly easily on your own but you will either
need a premade tarball OR you will need to specify no tarball (--no-tarball)

It will cache things to make subsequent rebuilds much easier.

If you want to learn more about it run ./ISOmaker -?

There is also a README for the github page which gives a quick overview

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[Torios-dev] Testing: Re: Autologin

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Hi Israel,


Installed fltk-lightdm ok.


It worked to switch from an initial having to login step to an autologin state 
by adding my name into the 'Autologin user' field and then 'save'.


But I couldn't get it to revert from autologin to not autologin by removing my 
name from 'Autologin user' and then 'save'.  It always now autologs me in and 
repopulates the 'Autologin user' field as far as I could tell.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 26 August 2017 3:22 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios-dev; Jack D. Trice
Subject: Re: Autologin

On 08/25/2017 05:02 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Errors encountered when installing fltk-lightdm, see attached screenie.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 August 2017 10:34 PM
To: torios- dev; Cinque Port Computers
Subject: Autologin

Hi Jack,

I threw together a lightdm GTK+ config tool

You can try it out by

sudo apt update

sudo apt install fltk-lightdm

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Hi Jack... oops

I copied my polkit file from another program and changed the info without 
changing the file name... sorry the next one will work :P

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Just fyi...I run 2 separate test installs and that problem showed up on both, 
so it was a 'hard' fault... a little worrying for sure.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 22 August 2017 7:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/22/2017 12:16 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

OK Israel, that quick fix worked; mouse/windows working now; not sure about 
that mystery though.

...
Yeah me neither.
All indications showed that it worked...
If our scripts were overwriting the jwmrc it would be with the default file in 
/etc/skel/
So... I am not sure why it did not work... the last xslt file worked fine...

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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.jwmrc file attached.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 21 August 2017 2:27 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/21/2017 01:33 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


4 packages updated/upgraded ; rebooted ; no change with mouse/windows problems. 
 Log file attached.


Jack

...
Hey Jack send me your jwmrc It looks like it only sort of worked.
But it may have screwed up other things as well...
sorry about this mess.


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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,


4 packages updated/upgraded ; rebooted ; no change with mouse/windows problems. 
 Log file attached.


Jack





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Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond



yeah, 'which xsltproc' does give me /usr/bin/xsltproc



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 7:54 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/20/2017 10:09 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


.jwmrc attached ; jwm -p revealed no output.


..
This is odd.
I am sure if you run
which xsltproc
You will get something like:
/usr/bin/xsltproc
But
Anyhow... I am sending another to the build farm it will log things more 
completely and I added in a safety for the xslt file (for when it works) that 
it wont just keep adding things in...
I also added xsltproc to the depends...
not sure what is going wrong here..

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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yeah, 'which xsltproc' does give me /usr/bin/xsltproc



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 7:54 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/20/2017 10:09 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


.jwmrc attached ; jwm -p revealed no output.


..
This is odd.
I am sure if you run
which xsltproc
You will get something like:
/usr/bin/xsltproc
But
Anyhow... I am sending another to the build farm it will log things more 
completely and I added in a safety for the xslt file (for when it works) that 
it wont just keep adding things in...
I also added xsltproc to the depends...
not sure what is going wrong here..

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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.jwmrc attached ; jwm -p revealed no output.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 3:51 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/20/2017 09:46 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Log file attached - yes, I always log out, login, then try rebooting too.


Jack

...
Hmmm... well it *should* have worked, according to your log file.
can you send me your jwmrc
Also see if jwm -p outputs anything


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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,


Log file attached - yes, I always log out, login, then try rebooting too.


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 3:38 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/20/2017 09:30 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Isreal,


4 torios packages updated/upgraded...no change in mouse window handling 
situation for me.   


Jack

..
Did you log out and log back in again?
Send the postinstall file again please :(

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Isreal,


4 torios packages updated/upgraded...no change in mouse window handling 
situation for me.   


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 1:42 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/20/2017 07:07 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Log file attached...and yes that /usr/share/torios/jwm-2.4.xslt does exist.


Cheers,

Jack

...
OK Jack,
It built and should be uploading soon.  Please confirm that this fix does work. 
 There was a typo in a variable name :(
But it should now find the xslt file and use xsltproc to add in the missing 
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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,


Log file attached...and yes that /usr/share/torios/jwm-2.4.xslt does exist.


Cheers,

Jack




From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 12:50 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/20/2017 01:19 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Updates to jwm-menu applied okay.  No errors. Menus looking good again all 
populated.


I still have that major problem though with not being able to manipulate 
windows with my mouse; what's the status on a fix for this as it's pretty major 
for me.


Regards,

Jack

...
Well it should have been fixed by now :(
I added an xslt file from Joe and used xsltproc at least it should have.
Can you send me your postinst log again
and also can you see if
/usr/share/torios/jwm-2.4.xslt
exists

there may be something that did not get fully done... but AFAIK it should have 
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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,


Updates to jwm-menu applied okay.  No errors. Menus looking good again all 
populated.


I still have that major problem though with not being able to manipulate 
windows with my mouse; what's the status on a fix for this as it's pretty major 
for me.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 August 2017 1:16 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/18/2017 01:20 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


Hi Israel,

Log file attached.  And yes I have performed: jwm-menu --reload.

SPM is certainly a mystery.  I see it is not on the .iso and I have not 
knowingly installed it.

Regards,
Jack
..
Hey Jack,

I have tested the latest version (I forget what revno it is)
Anyhow Synaptic now works correctly.
The menu generates and does not create empty categories.
The error that caused the last issue is now gone, please test and verify my 
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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,


New question: how do I go about undoing Autologin for  my user?


Cheers,

Jack



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Sent: 18 August 2017 7:20 AM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond



Hi Israel,

Log file attached.  And yes I have performed: jwm-menu --reload.

SPM is certainly a mystery.  I see it is not on the .iso and I have not 
knowingly installed it.

Regards,
Jack

PS: Note I am doing all this testing inside VB as I normally do.

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 18 August 2017 12:41 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

Ok,
Jack can you send me you post install log again.

also can you verify that you ran:
jwm-menu --reload

Hmm... I am not so sure why your jwmrc hasn't changed...
I will do some testing and let you know what I can ascertain

On 08/17/2017 05:04 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,


I have all those latest versions you mentioned.  I reloaded desktop, rebooted, 
but still no change in mouse window handling and there are still 2 SPM entries 
as I reported before.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:47 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 04:43 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,


At this time of writing I'm not getting any updates?


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:07 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 12:42 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,

Just to further clarify...
... can't close, min, or max windows by clicking on the little window buttons 
top right in an open window...as I mentioned I have to right click the window 
item in the taskbar and use the drop down menu to do anything with an open 
window.

Jack

...
Hey Jack,
please update and let me know the results.
I most likely fixed the menu issue... the KDE desktop file for synaptic was 
being included (I had some issues with the not show/only show code that should 
be fixed)

I also pushed an update to the desktop stuff SO... it very well might work.
Basically what my update is doing is checking your jwmrc file for the new Mouse 
context OR the new file I am using for inclusion (This will mostly keep the 
user's file the same).
If it isn't there then (hopefully) the jwmrc-mouse file is copied to the user's 
home directory (IIRC I copy it to .cache or .config) and included into the 
user's jwmrc

So... update and then it should *just work*
If not... bummer I'll try again and build a new working ISO.
I am building a 64bit ISO for someone who wanted one... it has a bunch of 
premade accessibility things already configured out of the box... but this can 
be changed of course...

When we fix the menu issue and the upgrade path for the new JWM/jwmrc stuff I 
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Hi Jack

 apt show jwm-menu

should tell you something like

jwm-menu - 3.0.1ubuntu1+106~ubuntu14.04.1

If you have the current version.

If that is the case please run

jwm-menu --reload

And look for synaptic and see if it is right


And torios-desktop should be

torios-core - 0.98.0ubuntu1-448~ubuntu16.04.1


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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,

Log file attached.  And yes I have performed: jwm-menu --reload.

SPM is certainly a mystery.  I see it is not on the .iso and I have not 
knowingly installed it.

Regards,
Jack

PS: Note I am doing all this testing inside VB as I normally do.

From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 18 August 2017 12:41 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

Ok,
Jack can you send me you post install log again.

also can you verify that you ran:
jwm-menu --reload

Hmm... I am not so sure why your jwmrc hasn't changed...
I will do some testing and let you know what I can ascertain

On 08/17/2017 05:04 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,


I have all those latest versions you mentioned.  I reloaded desktop, rebooted, 
but still no change in mouse window handling and there are still 2 SPM entries 
as I reported before.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:47 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 04:43 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,


At this time of writing I'm not getting any updates?


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:07 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 12:42 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,

Just to further clarify...
... can't close, min, or max windows by clicking on the little window buttons 
top right in an open window...as I mentioned I have to right click the window 
item in the taskbar and use the drop down menu to do anything with an open 
window.

Jack

...
Hey Jack,
please update and let me know the results.
I most likely fixed the menu issue... the KDE desktop file for synaptic was 
being included (I had some issues with the not show/only show code that should 
be fixed)

I also pushed an update to the desktop stuff SO... it very well might work.
Basically what my update is doing is checking your jwmrc file for the new Mouse 
context OR the new file I am using for inclusion (This will mostly keep the 
user's file the same).
If it isn't there then (hopefully) the jwmrc-mouse file is copied to the user's 
home directory (IIRC I copy it to .cache or .config) and included into the 
user's jwmrc

So... update and then it should *just work*
If not... bummer I'll try again and build a new working ISO.
I am building a 64bit ISO for someone who wanted one... it has a bunch of 
premade accessibility things already configured out of the box... but this can 
be changed of course...

When we fix the menu issue and the upgrade path for the new JWM/jwmrc stuff I 
will make a new ISO

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Hi Jack

 apt show jwm-menu

should tell you something like

jwm-menu - 3.0.1ubuntu1+106~ubuntu14.04.1

If you have the current version.

If that is the case please run

jwm-menu --reload

And look for synaptic and see if it is right


And torios-desktop should be

torios-core - 0.98.0ubuntu1-448~ubuntu16.04.1


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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Israel,


I have all those latest versions you mentioned.  I reloaded desktop, rebooted, 
but still no change in mouse window handling and there are still 2 SPM entries 
as I reported before.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:47 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 04:43 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,


At this time of writing I'm not getting any updates?


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:07 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 12:42 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,

Just to further clarify...
... can't close, min, or max windows by clicking on the little window buttons 
top right in an open window...as I mentioned I have to right click the window 
item in the taskbar and use the drop down menu to do anything with an open 
window.

Jack

...
Hey Jack,
please update and let me know the results.
I most likely fixed the menu issue... the KDE desktop file for synaptic was 
being included (I had some issues with the not show/only show code that should 
be fixed)

I also pushed an update to the desktop stuff SO... it very well might work.
Basically what my update is doing is checking your jwmrc file for the new Mouse 
context OR the new file I am using for inclusion (This will mostly keep the 
user's file the same).
If it isn't there then (hopefully) the jwmrc-mouse file is copied to the user's 
home directory (IIRC I copy it to .cache or .config) and included into the 
user's jwmrc

So... update and then it should *just work*
If not... bummer I'll try again and build a new working ISO.
I am building a 64bit ISO for someone who wanted one... it has a bunch of 
premade accessibility things already configured out of the box... but this can 
be changed of course...

When we fix the menu issue and the upgrade path for the new JWM/jwmrc stuff I 
will make a new ISO

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Hi Jack

 apt show jwm-menu

should tell you something like

jwm-menu - 3.0.1ubuntu1+106~ubuntu14.04.1

If you have the current version.

If that is the case please run

jwm-menu --reload

And look for synaptic and see if it is right


And torios-desktop should be

torios-core - 0.98.0ubuntu1-448~ubuntu16.04.1


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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Israel,


At this time of writing I'm not getting any updates?


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 August 2017 10:07 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/17/2017 12:42 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Israel,

Just to further clarify...
... can't close, min, or max windows by clicking on the little window buttons 
top right in an open window...as I mentioned I have to right click the window 
item in the taskbar and use the drop down menu to do anything with an open 
window.

Jack

...
Hey Jack,
please update and let me know the results.
I most likely fixed the menu issue... the KDE desktop file for synaptic was 
being included (I had some issues with the not show/only show code that should 
be fixed)

I also pushed an update to the desktop stuff SO... it very well might work.
Basically what my update is doing is checking your jwmrc file for the new Mouse 
context OR the new file I am using for inclusion (This will mostly keep the 
user's file the same).
If it isn't there then (hopefully) the jwmrc-mouse file is copied to the user's 
home directory (IIRC I copy it to .cache or .config) and included into the 
user's jwmrc

So... update and then it should *just work*
If not... bummer I'll try again and build a new working ISO.
I am building a 64bit ISO for someone who wanted one... it has a bunch of 
premade accessibility things already configured out of the box... but this can 
be changed of course...

When we fix the menu issue and the upgrade path for the new JWM/jwmrc stuff I 
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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Israel,

Just to further clarify...
... can't close, min, or max windows by clicking on the little window buttons 
top right in an open window...as I mentioned I have to right click the window 
item in the taskbar and use the drop down menu to do anything with an open 
window.

Jack

From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 16 August 2017 4:08 PM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond


Hi Israel,


I still cannot do anything via mouse controls to any windows, no.


Attached are 2 files you requested.


>   jwm -p   # resulted in no output.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 16 August 2017 3:40 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/16/2017 03:47 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Those clock timezone config changes work very well; much improved; excellent 
now as is.


Any update on my mouse/not able to move/resize windows problem?


Thanks,

Jack




From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 16 August 2017 12:05 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/15/2017 01:37 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:
...
Hey Jack,
I reworked the whole window setup when I found that using the drop down menu is 
really hard...
I changed it to a browser, and even added a search bar below (so you can start 
typing "Lon" and get London already)
AFAIK it works perfectly now
I even set the TZ variable in the user's ~/.profile (logout and log in again to 
see the full effect in all your apps.

So please let me know if you like the new interface.  I do.  I also put a 
little search image next to the search bar.
To SET the timezone you need to use the SET button...  I am not sure if this is 
intuitive or not.  I can add it into the "OK" button if you think that would be 
better and rid the "SET" button

Anyhow, this is revno 155
so look for it when you get the time!
This should fix your issue and make it much easier/better let me know.

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Jack,

Can you close the windows now?

Also, will you send me your current

~/.torios-desktop.postinst.log

I added more logging and info there.

I might also need your ~/.jwmrc


Please also run jwm -p in a terminal to see if there are any issues...

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi Israel,


New observation:


Menu Apps -> Settings shows 2 'Synaptic Package Manager' items ; one works , 
the other does nothing.


Jack



From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
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Sent: 16 August 2017 9:47 AM
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond


Hi Israel,


Those clock timezone config changes work very well; much improved; excellent 
now as is.


Any update on my mouse/not able to move/resize windows problem?


Thanks,

Jack




From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 16 August 2017 12:05 AM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/15/2017 01:37 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:
...
Hey Jack,
I reworked the whole window setup when I found that using the drop down menu is 
really hard...
I changed it to a browser, and even added a search bar below (so you can start 
typing "Lon" and get London already)
AFAIK it works perfectly now
I even set the TZ variable in the user's ~/.profile (logout and log in again to 
see the full effect in all your apps.

So please let me know if you like the new interface.  I do.  I also put a 
little search image next to the search bar.
To SET the timezone you need to use the SET button...  I am not sure if this is 
intuitive or not.  I can add it into the "OK" button if you think that would be 
better and rid the "SET" button

Anyhow, this is revno 155
so look for it when you get the time!
This should fix your issue and make it much easier/better let me know.

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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

[Cinque Port Computers]

2 Builds failed again.   



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 14 August 2017 11:58 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/14/2017 03:59 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


As requested, my failing install's .torios-desktop.postinst.log.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 14 August 2017 9:40 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/14/2017 01:38 PM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi israel,


I did the update and upgrade you suggested a few moments ago, rebooted but 
still have the window/mouse problems I reported earlier.


Jack


PS: It works okay on the Trusty install I've updated today.

...
Can you send me
~/.torios-desktop.postinst.log from the failed one please?

I have hopes that Joe will support sane defaults for mouse contexts (to avoid 
this issue), but he has not yet addressed it.


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Hey Jack,

I am sending in another build of this... another build of JWM settings manager 
as well.

These changes *should* fix things pretty well... be advised that you are going 
to be the main tester on the timezone thing.


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Re: [Torios-dev] TESTING: Re: JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

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Hi israel,


I did the update and upgrade you suggested a few moments ago, rebooted but 
still have the window/mouse problems I reported earlier.


Jack


PS: It works okay on the Trusty install I've updated today.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 14 August 2017 7:04 PM
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: TESTING: Re: [Torios-dev] JWM 2.4.0 and beyond

On 08/14/2017 07:16 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


I installed in VB the latest Deb. daily iso you recently made.


I updated it and checked that those pesky desktop shortcuts were persistent and 
they are.


The problem I'm having (new one) is that on most windows I can't get the mouse 
to widen or lengthen the window by hovering on a side.  I also can't grab the 
window's title bar to move the window either or grab a corner and enlarge or 
shrink the window. I can't get the close, minimise, or maximise buttons to do 
anything either.

I'm having to go to the window's icon in the taskbar , right click to get a 
menu and resize or close that way.


Cheers,

Jack

Hi Jack,
I discovered this issue recently when working on updating the base again.
So... here is the issue...
JWM 2.4.0 IS actually now in the ToriOS repos... but it is a version prior to 
JWM requiring the new config system which needs gettext >=0.19 (trusty only 
carries 0.18 Jessie carries 0.19 so I thought it would fail because of 
trusty...)
Anyhow there are some MAJOR config changes which I needed to work around.
How to fix?
hopefully
torios-packagetool upgrade (aka sudo apt update && sudo apt -y full-upgrade)
Please let me know if this works!

So

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Hi Israel,

Good news I think; it looks to me like the bug I had where desktop icons didn't 
persist is fixed.  I have 2 different systems and both behave as expected now 
with your latest changes applied.

Congrats,
Jack



From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 01 August 2017 3:34 PM
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Subject: [Torios-dev] Minor updates

Hi everyone,

I added some of JWM's new features to the settings manager. And I will
also be updating JWM to the current git release as well.

On the Lubuntu mailing list someone asked about hdmi audio, and I
discovered a small typoo in my automatic HDMI audio scripts.  This
should make life nicer for anyone who hotplugs HDMI into their computer
and expects the audio to work without having to install pavucontrol.  I
added this feature because ToriOS is perfect for small form factor
computers.  The memory usage is so low, and the menus are extremely fast
even on the oldest computers I have used.  They all work significantly
faster than even LXDE menus when you are using a very old computer.

These updates are very minor tweaks and should not really have any
noticeable effect.


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Re: [Torios-dev] The old desktop issue Jack has had

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Hi Israel,


That revision +98 seems to have fixed the package conflict issue I reported.


Thanks,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 07 April 2017 02:58
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund; torios-dev
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

On 04/05/2017 09:23 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


Hi Israel,

There seems to be a package conflict between jwm-menu, jwm-menu-common, and 
jwm-menu-all.

Regards,
Jack



Hi Jack, this should be fixed in the next one...

revision +98

Let me know how it goes!

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Hi Israel,

There seems to be a package conflict between jwm-menu, jwm-menu-common, and 
jwm-menu-all.

Regards,
Jack


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 23:19
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

On 04/04/2017 10:23 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Those extra '' lines appear added in .jwmrc every time I used 
Desktop Settings -> Icons on Desktop click off, click on, to get the desktop 
shortcuts to reappear before a test.


I tried your edit again but still no luck.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 15:43
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

Hi Jack
Well, give this one a try...

nice-start
pcmanfm --desktop

$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse

See if this fixes it.
On 04/04/2017 09:39 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Edit done to .jwmrc file as suggested.


Still desktop shortcuts disappear after logout/reboot though.


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 13:35
To: Cinque Port Computers
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

On 04/04/2017 01:47 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Grep output attached as requested.


Cheers,

Jack

...
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
nice-start
$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse
pcmanfm --desktop


This is what you sent me.

I wonder how this happened?


I suggest you change yours to look like:
pcmanfm --desktop

nice-start
$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse


Now, we just need to figure out how it happened?!?

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Please excuse a few extra emails recently; I was just re-forwarding a few that 
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From: Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 15:39
To: Israel
Cc: Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had


Hi Israel,


Edit done to .jwmrc file as suggested.


Still desktop shortcuts disappear after logout/reboot though.


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 13:35
To: Cinque Port Computers
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

On 04/04/2017 01:47 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Grep output attached as requested.


Cheers,

Jack

...
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
nice-start
$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse
pcmanfm --desktop


This is what you sent me.

I wonder how this happened?


I suggest you change yours to look like:
pcmanfm --desktop

nice-start
$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse


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From: Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@outlook.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 16:23
To: Israel
Cc: Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had


Hi Israel,


Those extra '' lines appear added in .jwmrc every time I used 
Desktop Settings -> Icons on Desktop click off, click on, to get the desktop 
shortcuts to reappear before a test.


I tried your edit again but still no luck.


Regards,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 15:43
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

Hi Jack
Well, give this one a try...

nice-start
pcmanfm --desktop

$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse

See if this fixes it.
On 04/04/2017 09:39 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Edit done to .jwmrc file as suggested.


Still desktop shortcuts disappear after logout/reboot though.


Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2017 13:35
To: Cinque Port Computers
Subject: Re: The old desktop issue Jack has had

On 04/04/2017 01:47 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Grep output attached as requested.


Cheers,

Jack

...
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
pcmanfm --desktop
nice-start
$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse
pcmanfm --desktop


This is what you sent me.

I wonder how this happened?


I suggest you change yours to look like:
pcmanfm --desktop

nice-start
$HOME/.config/jsm-mouse


Now, we just need to figure out how it happened?!?

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Re: [Torios-dev] The old desktop issue Jack has had

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Hi Israel,


I tried this new 'starttorios' after first updating packages but still the 
desktop shortcuts disappear after logout/reboot.  Problem remains unsolved.


Keep trying []


Regards,

Jack


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 02 April 2017 20:06
To: Cinque Port Computers; Nio Wiklund
Subject: The old desktop issue Jack has had

Hey Jack,

I am not sure if this is still an issue, but If it is, I have something
to test

Download this attachment
cd to the directory it is in and:

chmod + x starttorios
sudo cp starttorios /usr/bin

I added something extra to this file (not sure if it will solve the
issue... but it may...
Here is the additional code:
while ! xset q &>/dev/null
do
sleep 0.1
done

This basically forces the startup program to wait until X is actually up
and then will proceed  to run whatever we need... this uses a variety of
ways to start JWM, depending on what exists in order to start all the
nice things we can to make life easier for our users (using Xsession,
dbus-launch, ck-launch-session OR our current way of starting everything
from our XDG autostart items.  I kept the old code in because it will
help someone who just copies my file to their computer without using
torios for their own use it should just work with JWM

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Re: [Torios-dev] testing in VB: Re: ToriOS ISO

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ToriOS sure has gone really quiet now... anything happening at all ?   Israel , 
see my last question below which I never saw a reply to...



From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 06 March 2017 10:22
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] testing in VB: Re: ToriOS ISO



Hi Israel,

I have a ToriOS installed in VB (a Trusty flavour) that you fixed that 
disappearing desktop shortcuts problem a while ago.

Is/Are there any file/files that I can send you that may help you solve this 
problem in the Debian 1.5 flavour?

Cheers,
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From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 02 March 2017 23:28
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] testing in VB: Re: ToriOS ISO


Hi Israel,


Zsync done; installed okay in VB; still have the problem where desktop 
shortcuts disappear over a logoff/reboot in installed system.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 02 March 2017 23:02
To: Nio Wiklund; Cinque Port Computers; torios- dev
Subject: ToriOS ISO

Hey guys,

I reuploaded the ISO again, and remade the zsync file. Please zsync the
ISO again, and see if some of those issues are fixed, if so I will
reannouce it on the main list


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Hi Israel,

I have a ToriOS installed in VB (a Trusty flavour) that you fixed that 
disappearing desktop shortcuts problem a while ago.

Is/Are there any file/files that I can send you that may help you solve this 
problem in the Debian 1.5 flavour?

Cheers,
Jack



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Cc: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] testing in VB: Re: ToriOS ISO


Hi Israel,


Zsync done; installed okay in VB; still have the problem where desktop 
shortcuts disappear over a logoff/reboot in installed system.


Cheers,

Jack



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 02 March 2017 23:02
To: Nio Wiklund; Cinque Port Computers; torios- dev
Subject: ToriOS ISO

Hey guys,

I reuploaded the ISO again, and remade the zsync file. Please zsync the
ISO again, and see if some of those issues are fixed, if so I will
reannouce it on the main list


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Re: [Torios-dev] AddDesktopItemsBug:Re: ToriOS 2.0

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Hi Israel,


I remember you had fixed this bug before but I don't think you disclosed the 
details.


I can get the desktop shortcuts to appear by doing (in a terminal):


> pkill pcmanfm

> pcmanfm --desktop &


...but they then don't persist over a logout/reboot.


Good luck chasing this one again,

Jack




From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 23 February 2017 16:15
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund; torios-dev
Subject: Re: AddDesktopItemsBug:Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS 2.0

On 02/23/2017 10:09 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


I 'apt-get updated' and 'apt-get upgraded' and your changes this time allowed 
me to create a desktop shortcut.


But now we're back to the old bug where the desktop shortcuts only stay visible 
if I go to Desktop Settings and click off 'Icons on Desktop' and click it back 
on again, and then the newly visible desktop shortcut disappears over a logout 
and/or reboot.


Cheers,

Jack

Hi Jack,
Well... I think this is a permissions error, or it is an issue with the pcmanfm 
configurations... I can't remember h...
I will check it out.

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Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2.0

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Hi Israel,

Can you remind us again how to get hold of this newest jwm-settings-manager and 
what .iso to test it in?

Thank You,
Jack


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Sent: 27 January 2017 13:37
To: torios- dev; amjjawad
Subject: [Torios-dev] JSM 2.0

So has anyone had the time to test out jwm-settings-manager 2.0 yet?

I have not gotten any feedback on it yet, so I have not really moved
forward with ToriOS 1.5 since this is the major update to ToriOS we need
(fixing the settings manager, that is).

There are a few other minor things that have been fixed, and some
upstream security fixes.

If not please test it, and tell me what works and what does not.



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Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

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Hi Israel,


Yes, that line input in the terminal plus a reboot got the 3 panel icons back 
to visible BUT it turned off the desktop icons again,


so they disappear again after a logout/reboot and will only appear again using 
the Desktop Settings Icons on/off trick again.


Regards,

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From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 19 December 2016 15:28
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

Haha, I figured out the issue...
sed -i "s#nice-start#exec:nice-start#" ~/.jwmrc
Try this and see if it works for you

On 12/19/2016 09:14 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

terminal image re-sent...



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 19 December 2016 15:04
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

On 12/19/2016 08:59 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


I always allocate 2GB memory in my VB vm's...


Here is my nice-start --include output...


[cid:part1.E3600FA5.C8D96833@gmail.com]


Cheers,

JackT.

...
Hey Jack for some reason I did not get your image.
Could you post it somewhere, or possibly attach it another way?

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Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

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Hi Israel,


I always allocate 2GB memory in my VB vm's...


Here is my nice-start --include output...


[cid:d55328d0-3837-4e52-a997-c6435a8e1690]


Cheers,

JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 19 December 2016 14:19
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

On 12/19/2016 06:27 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


New .iso install in VB:


On the installed system I'm not seeing panel items for battery, eth0, or 
volume...these are visible on the Live session.


Regards,

JackT.



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To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO


Hi Israel,


New .iso installed in VB...


Great news -- indeed now you did fix the disappearing desktop icons/shortcuts, 
well done.


Can you explain briefly what the problem was that eluded us for so long?


Thanks,

JackT.

Hi Jack.
This is complicated, as I do not know why things fail the way they do.
The culprit in both cases is
/usr/bin/nice-start
previous I just ran the program in
nice-start
this resulted in PCManFM not always working visibly
now I use it differently
nice-start --include
On my computer this is what that command produces:

  ~/.config/jsm-mouse
  /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher 
--launch-immediately
  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/deja-dup/deja-dup-monitor
  /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start 
--components=pkcs11
  /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start 
--components=secrets
  /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start 
--components=ssh
  nm-applet
  xset s off -dpms
  
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
  start-pulseaudio-x11
  torios-battery
  torios-volume
  jwm -restart
  update-notifier
  xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update
  zeitgeist-datahub

These are the programs that running nice-start as a  will run.  
You can check to see what is run in ToriOS by running
nice-start --include
from the terminal

The battery and volume and nm-applet all included.
So, why does this fail one way or the other sometimes, but not every time?

It could be a memory issue?  My laptop where I never have this issue has plenty 
of memory.  The VM probably does not.  How much memory do you have in your VM?  
The other computers I use ToriOS on are older, but have around 1Gig of memory 
and never have these issues.

So... nice-start is the problem, however it is also a solution  nice-start 
runs all the programs in the XDG autostart directories.  So if nm-applet is 
removed JWM wont try to run it, as it is only included from the XDG autostart.  
This way traditional DE specific guidelines on the internet about creating a 
desktop file in ~/.config/autostart will work in ToriOS.

This is why it is complicated and I have tried so many different things.
Here is the actual code that runs on or the other:

[[ -n "$useJWMRC" ]] && EXEC=$(quoteXML "$EXEC") && printf "%s\n" "  
${EXEC}" 2> /dev/null
 [[ -z "$useJWMRC" ]] && bash -c "$EXEC" & 2>> "$LOG" &

I used to have 'echo' instead of printf "%s\n" but echo was causing errors, and 
this now avoids errors.
I have posted on the JWM bugs a few times concerning this, and have not really 
gotten to the bottom of why it doesn't always work.  The current form works 
much better but still there are issues.

Not sure what else to do... can you post your ~/.starttorios.log and 
~/.jwm/jsm-logs/nice-start.log
These might give more of a clue

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Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

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Hi Isreal,


2 Log files attached; I didn't find the nice-start.log where you mentioned so I 
assumed you meant (?) the firstrun.log file from the same location.


Cheers,

JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 19 December 2016 14:19
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

On 12/19/2016 06:27 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


New .iso install in VB:


On the installed system I'm not seeing panel items for battery, eth0, or 
volume...these are visible on the Live session.


Regards,

JackT.



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To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO


Hi Israel,


New .iso installed in VB...


Great news -- indeed now you did fix the disappearing desktop icons/shortcuts, 
well done.


Can you explain briefly what the problem was that eluded us for so long?


Thanks,

JackT.

Hi Jack.
This is complicated, as I do not know why things fail the way they do.
The culprit in both cases is
/usr/bin/nice-start
previous I just ran the program in
nice-start
this resulted in PCManFM not always working visibly
now I use it differently
nice-start --include
On my computer this is what that command produces:

  ~/.config/jsm-mouse
  /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher 
--launch-immediately
  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/deja-dup/deja-dup-monitor
  /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start 
--components=pkcs11
  /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start 
--components=secrets
  /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start 
--components=ssh
  nm-applet
  xset s off -dpms
  
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
  start-pulseaudio-x11
  torios-battery
  torios-volume
  jwm -restart
  update-notifier
  xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update
  zeitgeist-datahub

These are the programs that running nice-start as a  will run.  
You can check to see what is run in ToriOS by running
nice-start --include
from the terminal

The battery and volume and nm-applet all included.
So, why does this fail one way or the other sometimes, but not every time?

It could be a memory issue?  My laptop where I never have this issue has plenty 
of memory.  The VM probably does not.  How much memory do you have in your VM?  
The other computers I use ToriOS on are older, but have around 1Gig of memory 
and never have these issues.

So... nice-start is the problem, however it is also a solution  nice-start 
runs all the programs in the XDG autostart directories.  So if nm-applet is 
removed JWM wont try to run it, as it is only included from the XDG autostart.  
This way traditional DE specific guidelines on the internet about creating a 
desktop file in ~/.config/autostart will work in ToriOS.

This is why it is complicated and I have tried so many different things.
Here is the actual code that runs on or the other:

[[ -n "$useJWMRC" ]] && EXEC=$(quoteXML "$EXEC") && printf "%s\n" "  
${EXEC}" 2> /dev/null
 [[ -z "$useJWMRC" ]] && bash -c "$EXEC" & 2>> "$LOG" &

I used to have 'echo' instead of printf "%s\n" but echo was causing errors, and 
this now avoids errors.
I have posted on the JWM bugs a few times concerning this, and have not really 
gotten to the bottom of why it doesn't always work.  The current form works 
much better but still there are issues.

Not sure what else to do... can you post your ~/.starttorios.log and 
~/.jwm/jsm-logs/nice-start.log
These might give more of a clue

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Mon 19 Dec 14:41:23 GMT 2016
running /usr/bin/x-session-manager
USER: jack
export SUDO_ASKPASS=/usr/bin/torios-askpass
export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/bin/torios-askpass
export XDG_MENU_PREFIX=lxde-
DESKTOP_SESSION=lightdm-xsession
export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=JWM
export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/jack/.config
export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share:/usr/share
export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/usr/share/upstart/xdg:/etc/xdg
export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/home/jack/.cache
export XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/jack/.local/share/
JWM: warning: /home/jack/.jwmrc[217]: could not open included file: nice-start --include
** Message: x-terminal-emulator has very limited support, consider choose another terminal

** (pcmanfm:1347): WARNING **: modules directory is not accessible

** (sakura:1395): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

(sakura:1395): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2989:31: Missing name of pseudo-class

(sakura:1395): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing 

Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


New .iso install in VB:


On the installed system I'm not seeing panel items for battery, eth0, or 
volume...these are visible on the Live session.


Regards,

JackT.



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Sent: 19 December 2016 12:20
To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO


Hi Israel,


New .iso installed in VB...


Great news -- indeed now you did fix the disappearing desktop icons/shortcuts, 
well done.


Can you explain briefly what the problem was that eluded us for so long?


Thanks,

JackT.



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Sent: 19 December 2016 02:34
To: torios- dev
Subject: [Torios-dev] 18Dec2016 - New testing ISO

Hi all,

This new ISO should fix the recurring issue Jack has with desktop shortcuts.

This should also fix the hosts file issue Jack had, which may also fix
Nio's wireless woes.

Please test when you get a chance!

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Re: [Torios-dev] Desktop Shortcuts New testing ISO

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Hi Israel,

I still haven't found a way of creating a desktop shortcut that appears.

But what I did find is the following:

1) I copied the sakura .desktop file from /usr/share/applications/ to ~/Desktop 
and it became visible.
2) On logout/reboot it disappears but...
3) I f I go to Desktop Settings and unclick 'icons on desktop' and then click 
it on again the desktop shortcut(s) re-appear.
4) I've also got the Wastebasket and Documents icons to appear and disappear in 
the same way.

Hope this helps,
JackT.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 December 2016 16:41
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New testing ISO

On 12/17/2016 07:32 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


I didn't try to detect or check this in the Live session.  I found it in the 
Installed session.  The /etc/hosts file looks the same in Live and Installed.


Regards,

JackT.




Hi Jack,

Ok, well I think I have fixed this issue, and it should be correct in the next 
ISO.

I remove the /etc/hosts file in the ISOmaker so it should generate nicely when 
the ISO is booted... at least I hope so.  I will let you know when I'm done.

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Re: [Torios-dev] New testing ISO

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Hi Israel,


I didn't try to detect or check this in the Live session.  I found it in the 
Installed session.  The /etc/hosts file looks the same in Live and Installed.


Regards,

JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 December 2016 12:40
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] New testing ISO

Hi Jack,
(continuing top)
Thanks for finding this.  I think I can fix this one easily if it is as I 
suspect.  This is for the live session, right?

On 12/15/2016 09:58 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Installed new .iso in VB.


1) typing 'sudo' causes message "sudo: unable to resolve host torios"

2) seems to be caused (maybe?) by entry in /etc/hosts file "127.0.1.1 
israeldahl-ThinkPad-E560"


Regards,

JackT.


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Subject: [Torios-dev] New testing ISO

Hi all,

There is a new ISO for testing.  This one should work fine with USB.
The network might work in this one too... it is oversized.

Please test the jwm-settings-manager.

Test every single part of it that you can, and if you encounter a bug
please tell me:

a) how to reproduce the bug

b) re-run the settings manager with `jwm-settings-manager --debug >>
jsm-debug.log` and reproduce the error, and then send the log.

c) describe how you found the bug and what you did to produce the error.

d) what happened that was wrong, and what you had expected to happen.


Also, if any elements of the UI are unclear, or you think should be
modified please send a screen shot and describe the issue.


I have tested things pretty thoroughly myself, but I am a programmer,
and this is my program so I am not able to test it as a user like you can.

Thank you!


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Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


I've looked at all the directories and files you mention and they are all owned 
by me jack:jack.


The plot thickens.


Cheers,

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From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 14 December 2016 22:10
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

On 12/14/2016 08:34 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Yes I am using your recent ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso installed in VB.


Attached is my current .jwmrc file (before overwriting from /etc/skel/...) 
which I did but seems to have no effect on getting any desktop shortcuts 
displayed on the desktop.


Cheers,

JackT.


...
Hi Jack,
Hmmm, you are right.  I wonder if this is an issue with the pcmanfm conf file.  
I though I fixed the ownership issue, but can you make sure you own ~/.config/
as well as
~/.config/pcmanfm/default/
and then the two files:
pcmanfm.conf
desktop-items-0.conf
this may be the culprit

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Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

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Hi Israel,


Yes I am using your recent ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso installed in VB.


Attached is my current .jwmrc file (before overwriting from /etc/skel/...) 
which I did but seems to have no effect on getting any desktop shortcuts 
displayed on the desktop.


Cheers,

JackT.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 14 December 2016 14:09
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

Hi Jack
[ continuing top posting ]
This indicates that pcmanfm is NOT running to control the desktop.
So.
cp /etc/skel/.jwmrc ~/
should fix it.
Before you do it can you send me your old ~/.jwmrc file?  This may be something 
I need to look into more to see what is going on... it could be the reconfigure 
script.

IS this the ISO named:
ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso
from phillw server? (Just double checking)

On 12/14/2016 04:59 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


1) The .desktop file is in my /home/jack/Desktop folder but does not show up on 
my visible desktop.
2) I also have ticked/checked 'show trash can' and 'show connected volumes' and 
'show Documents folder' from Desktop Preferences -> Desktop Icons, but none of 
those appear visible on my desktop either.


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To: Israel
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso


Hi Israel,


That's good news for you, but not much help for me and any other average user 
who cannot do that at the moment.   [:(]


JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com><mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 13 December 2016 23:37
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund; torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

[continuing top posting]
Hi Jack,
I have tested creating a desktop shortcut and did it successfully on my VM.
This was after installing to disk from a previous OBI and upgrading.
It persisted on logout/login

On 12/13/2016 05:03 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


I cannot for the life of me create a desktop shortcut and have it show up.  
I've tried several times now.  I think me and desktop shortcuts are jinxed.


Cheers,

JackT.



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To: Nio Wiklund; torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

Hi Nio
(inlines)
On 12/12/2016 03:42 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Den 2016-12-11 kl. 15:16, skrev Israel:
>> ..
>>
>
> Hi Israel,
>
> Am I understanding correctly, that this is aiming at ToriOS 1.1 (being
> Debian Jessie)?
>
This is more probably aiming at ToriOS 2.0, as jwm-settings-manager is
different... though if Ali approves this can be for 1.1 as well.
> This is a first test:
>
> A. Booting
>
> 1. This is not a hybrid iso file. mkusb fails to make it bootable by
> cloning, but it works after I treated it with isohybrid.
>
Ahh... thanks for finding this... I modified ISOmaker scripts to prevent
this in the future.  I did not have syslinux-utils installed
> 2. It works as is, emulating a DVD disk, in VirtualBox.
>
Yes.. and in KVM where I tried it.
> 3. mkusb can make a bootable persistent live drive (which is extracted
> and boots via grub).
>
Good news!
> B. Live
>
> The general impression is good :-) Most things work and it is very
> responsive.
>
> I managed to get wired connection, but I did not see the wireless
> network, which I expect to see in some of the available computers (for
> example my Toshiba laptop, where I do a lot of testing). Is this a
> bug, or should I look 'somewhere else' to find it?
>
Hmmm... not sure.  If you tested it in VBox this is something that has
happened before.  In my KVM machine it sees my wireless as a wired
connection.
If it is on real hardware, then this could be a bug
> I will come back with a new mail about testing the OBI installer and
> the installed system (from the tarball).
>
Thanks!  I hope this OBI version works well with your earlier issue with
the location of a tarball in the persistant mkusb version
> Best regards
> Nio
>
>


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Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


That's good news for you, but not much help for me and any other average user 
who cannot do that at the moment.   [☹]


JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 13 December 2016 23:37
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: Nio Wiklund; torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

[continuing top posting]
Hi Jack,
I have tested creating a desktop shortcut and did it successfully on my VM.
This was after installing to disk from a previous OBI and upgrading.
It persisted on logout/login

On 12/13/2016 05:03 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


I cannot for the life of me create a desktop shortcut and have it show up.  
I've tried several times now.  I think me and desktop shortcuts are jinxed.


Cheers,

JackT.



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Sent: 13 December 2016 03:37
To: Nio Wiklund; torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS-Debian-testing.iso

Hi Nio
(inlines)
On 12/12/2016 03:42 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Den 2016-12-11 kl. 15:16, skrev Israel:
>> ..
>>
>
> Hi Israel,
>
> Am I understanding correctly, that this is aiming at ToriOS 1.1 (being
> Debian Jessie)?
>
This is more probably aiming at ToriOS 2.0, as jwm-settings-manager is
different... though if Ali approves this can be for 1.1 as well.
> This is a first test:
>
> A. Booting
>
> 1. This is not a hybrid iso file. mkusb fails to make it bootable by
> cloning, but it works after I treated it with isohybrid.
>
Ahh... thanks for finding this... I modified ISOmaker scripts to prevent
this in the future.  I did not have syslinux-utils installed
> 2. It works as is, emulating a DVD disk, in VirtualBox.
>
Yes.. and in KVM where I tried it.
> 3. mkusb can make a bootable persistent live drive (which is extracted
> and boots via grub).
>
Good news!
> B. Live
>
> The general impression is good :-) Most things work and it is very
> responsive.
>
> I managed to get wired connection, but I did not see the wireless
> network, which I expect to see in some of the available computers (for
> example my Toshiba laptop, where I do a lot of testing). Is this a
> bug, or should I look 'somewhere else' to find it?
>
Hmmm... not sure.  If you tested it in VBox this is something that has
happened before.  In my KVM machine it sees my wireless as a wired
connection.
If it is on real hardware, then this could be a bug
> I will come back with a new mail about testing the OBI installer and
> the installed system (from the tarball).
>
Thanks!  I hope this OBI version works well with your earlier issue with
the location of a tarball in the persistant mkusb version
> Best regards
> Nio
>
>


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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Nio,


Using 'fish' originally I had copied your 2 lines of command and pasted them 
into my terminal; what I didn't notice at first was that it detected EOL after 
the '>' due to the copied 2 line statement from your email.  I cleaned it up 
and it works fine in 'fish' now too.


On with a bit more testing later today.  All explained now.  []

Cheers,
JackT.



From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 November 2016 11:07
To: Nio Wiklund
Cc: torios-dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty


Hi Nio,


I tried xzcat and xz in a terminal, all on one line, but it kept failing with 
that error msg and the original file was left with 0 bytes.  So that was odd I 
thought.  Btw, my host OS is Arch/LXDE.


I've got round that by opening the .vdi.xz file in my file manager and 
successfully extracted the .vdi file that way.


Thanks for your help.  I've now got it up and running in my VB.

JackT.




From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 November 2016 10:51
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: ToriOS developers
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

Hi Jack,

You were probably tricked by the email client, that made two lines of
the one-line command:

just to illustrate:

xzcat file.vdi.xz > file.vdi

So if you use the following as one line, it should work.

xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

-o-

Or am I misunderstanding? Do you mean that VirtualBox does not recognize
the extracted vdi file?

After extraction md5sum should show

$ md5sum dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
ac4cd66df2fe8ccd7cd0f495c0bdea9f  dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

and ls -l shows

$ ls -l dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
-rw-rw-r-- 1 nio nio 2006974464 nov 25 11:40
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

(approx. 2 GB, so I prefer to distribute it compressed).

It works with my VirtualBox (in Lubuntu Xenial). Please tell if you are
still having problems.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2016-11-25 kl. 11:33, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
> Hi Nio,
>
>
> I downloaded the .vdi.xz file, ran md5sum with success, but using xzcat
> or xz on the .vdi.xz file I'm getting "File format not recognised".
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> JackT.
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Torios
> <torios-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of
> Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 23 November 2016 20:46
> *To:* Israel; Jack Trice; Ali M Jjawad; ToriOS developers; Phill.
> Whiteside; torios
> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] ToriOS Trusty
>
> Den 2016-11-23 kl. 15:32, skrev Nio Wiklund:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Israel helped me to make a test system for ToriOS based on Ubuntu
>> Trusty. I am testing it now, and I intend to make
>>
>> - a tarball for the OBI installer in ToriOS 1.0 and
>>
>> - a compressed image file for mkusb, so that you can install it easily
>> and take part in the testing.
>>
>> - I'll try to make a vdi file for VirtualBox too.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> I made it in my Toshiba laptop with Intel i5 processor and Intel
>> graphics (where it works of course). I tested it in the following
>> computers:
>>
>> IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M - it works but needs the boot option
>> forcepae in order to upgrade the kernel.
>>
>> Dell Dimension 4600 with Pentium 4 - it works
>>
>> Motherboard M2NVM_DVI with AMD Athlon (64-bit) - it works
>>
>> Intel NUC6i3SYH - the system works, but not the internet, the computer
>> is too new.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
> Hi toriosadores,
>
> *Files to install ToriOS-Trusty to test what Israel develops*
>
> Now I have uploaded two tarballs, a compressed image file and a
> compressed virtual disk image. You find them and their md5sums at
>
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/01_Test_Tarballs/
>
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.img.xz # install with mkusb
> ToriTrustyTest01_by-OBI-in-Trusty.tar.xz  # tarball for 'my' OBI
> ToriTrustyTest01_by-ToriOS-debian.tar.xz  # tarball for ToriOS 1.0
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz # disk for VirtualBox
>
> Three of the files can be used as they are by mkusb and the two OBI
> versions. The vdi.xz file must be expanded before it is used with
> VirtualBox,
>
> xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
>
> Connect the vdi file to a virtual machine

Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Nio,


I found the problem; I use the 'fish' shell and it didn't like the format of 
the xzcat command you made, (which I'll look into later).


I switched to 'bash' and the xzcat command worked fine.


Cheers,

JackT.




From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Cinque Port Computers <jackdtr...@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 November 2016 11:07
To: Nio Wiklund
Cc: torios-dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty


Hi Nio,


I tried xzcat and xz in a terminal, all on one line, but it kept failing with 
that error msg and the original file was left with 0 bytes.  So that was odd I 
thought.  Btw, my host OS is Arch/LXDE.


I've got round that by opening the .vdi.xz file in my file manager and 
successfully extracted the .vdi file that way.


Thanks for your help.  I've now got it up and running in my VB.

JackT.




From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 November 2016 10:51
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: ToriOS developers
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

Hi Jack,

You were probably tricked by the email client, that made two lines of
the one-line command:

just to illustrate:

xzcat file.vdi.xz > file.vdi

So if you use the following as one line, it should work.

xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

-o-

Or am I misunderstanding? Do you mean that VirtualBox does not recognize
the extracted vdi file?

After extraction md5sum should show

$ md5sum dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
ac4cd66df2fe8ccd7cd0f495c0bdea9f  dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

and ls -l shows

$ ls -l dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
-rw-rw-r-- 1 nio nio 2006974464 nov 25 11:40
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

(approx. 2 GB, so I prefer to distribute it compressed).

It works with my VirtualBox (in Lubuntu Xenial). Please tell if you are
still having problems.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2016-11-25 kl. 11:33, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
> Hi Nio,
>
>
> I downloaded the .vdi.xz file, ran md5sum with success, but using xzcat
> or xz on the .vdi.xz file I'm getting "File format not recognised".
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> JackT.
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Torios
> <torios-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of
> Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 23 November 2016 20:46
> *To:* Israel; Jack Trice; Ali M Jjawad; ToriOS developers; Phill.
> Whiteside; torios
> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] ToriOS Trusty
>
> Den 2016-11-23 kl. 15:32, skrev Nio Wiklund:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Israel helped me to make a test system for ToriOS based on Ubuntu
>> Trusty. I am testing it now, and I intend to make
>>
>> - a tarball for the OBI installer in ToriOS 1.0 and
>>
>> - a compressed image file for mkusb, so that you can install it easily
>> and take part in the testing.
>>
>> - I'll try to make a vdi file for VirtualBox too.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> I made it in my Toshiba laptop with Intel i5 processor and Intel
>> graphics (where it works of course). I tested it in the following
>> computers:
>>
>> IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M - it works but needs the boot option
>> forcepae in order to upgrade the kernel.
>>
>> Dell Dimension 4600 with Pentium 4 - it works
>>
>> Motherboard M2NVM_DVI with AMD Athlon (64-bit) - it works
>>
>> Intel NUC6i3SYH - the system works, but not the internet, the computer
>> is too new.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
> Hi toriosadores,
>
> *Files to install ToriOS-Trusty to test what Israel develops*
>
> Now I have uploaded two tarballs, a compressed image file and a
> compressed virtual disk image. You find them and their md5sums at
>
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/01_Test_Tarballs/
>
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.img.xz # install with mkusb
> ToriTrustyTest01_by-OBI-in-Trusty.tar.xz  # tarball for 'my' OBI
> ToriTrustyTest01_by-ToriOS-debian.tar.xz  # tarball for ToriOS 1.0
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz # disk for VirtualBox
>
> Three of the files can be used as they are by mkusb and the two OBI
> versions. The vdi.xz file must be expanded before it is used with
> VirtualBox,
>
> xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
>
> Connect the vdi file to a virtual machine and boot ToriOS. You should be
> able to update & upgrade it with Israel's new versions in order to test
> them.
>
> I had very low reso

Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Nio,


I tried xzcat and xz in a terminal, all on one line, but it kept failing with 
that error msg and the original file was left with 0 bytes.  So that was odd I 
thought.  Btw, my host OS is Arch/LXDE.


I've got round that by opening the .vdi.xz file in my file manager and 
successfully extracted the .vdi file that way.


Thanks for your help.  I've now got it up and running in my VB.

JackT.




From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
Sent: 25 November 2016 10:51
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: ToriOS developers
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

Hi Jack,

You were probably tricked by the email client, that made two lines of
the one-line command:

just to illustrate:

xzcat file.vdi.xz > file.vdi

So if you use the following as one line, it should work.

xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

-o-

Or am I misunderstanding? Do you mean that VirtualBox does not recognize
the extracted vdi file?

After extraction md5sum should show

$ md5sum dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
ac4cd66df2fe8ccd7cd0f495c0bdea9f  dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

and ls -l shows

$ ls -l dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
-rw-rw-r-- 1 nio nio 2006974464 nov 25 11:40
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

(approx. 2 GB, so I prefer to distribute it compressed).

It works with my VirtualBox (in Lubuntu Xenial). Please tell if you are
still having problems.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2016-11-25 kl. 11:33, skrev Cinque Port Computers:
> Hi Nio,
>
>
> I downloaded the .vdi.xz file, ran md5sum with success, but using xzcat
> or xz on the .vdi.xz file I'm getting "File format not recognised".
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> JackT.
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Torios
> <torios-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of
> Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 23 November 2016 20:46
> *To:* Israel; Jack Trice; Ali M Jjawad; ToriOS developers; Phill.
> Whiteside; torios
> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] ToriOS Trusty
>
> Den 2016-11-23 kl. 15:32, skrev Nio Wiklund:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Israel helped me to make a test system for ToriOS based on Ubuntu
>> Trusty. I am testing it now, and I intend to make
>>
>> - a tarball for the OBI installer in ToriOS 1.0 and
>>
>> - a compressed image file for mkusb, so that you can install it easily
>> and take part in the testing.
>>
>> - I'll try to make a vdi file for VirtualBox too.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> I made it in my Toshiba laptop with Intel i5 processor and Intel
>> graphics (where it works of course). I tested it in the following
>> computers:
>>
>> IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M - it works but needs the boot option
>> forcepae in order to upgrade the kernel.
>>
>> Dell Dimension 4600 with Pentium 4 - it works
>>
>> Motherboard M2NVM_DVI with AMD Athlon (64-bit) - it works
>>
>> Intel NUC6i3SYH - the system works, but not the internet, the computer
>> is too new.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
> Hi toriosadores,
>
> *Files to install ToriOS-Trusty to test what Israel develops*
>
> Now I have uploaded two tarballs, a compressed image file and a
> compressed virtual disk image. You find them and their md5sums at
>
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/01_Test_Tarballs/
>
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.img.xz # install with mkusb
> ToriTrustyTest01_by-OBI-in-Trusty.tar.xz  # tarball for 'my' OBI
> ToriTrustyTest01_by-ToriOS-debian.tar.xz  # tarball for ToriOS 1.0
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz # disk for VirtualBox
>
> Three of the files can be used as they are by mkusb and the two OBI
> versions. The vdi.xz file must be expanded before it is used with
> VirtualBox,
>
> xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
> dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi
>
> Connect the vdi file to a virtual machine and boot ToriOS. You should be
> able to update & upgrade it with Israel's new versions in order to test
> them.
>
> I had very low resolution in VirtualBox, only 640x480, until I set
>
> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
>
> and ran
>
> sudo update-grub. See the attached screenshot. After reboot the
> resolution increased to 1024x768. (I did not install any guest additions.)
>
> Happy testing :-)
> Nio


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Re: [Torios-dev] [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Nio,


I downloaded the .vdi.xz file, ran md5sum with success, but using xzcat or xz 
on the .vdi.xz file I'm getting "File format not recognised".


Any ideas?


Cheers,

JackT.




From: Torios  on 
behalf of Nio Wiklund 
Sent: 23 November 2016 20:46
To: Israel; Jack Trice; Ali M Jjawad; ToriOS developers; Phill. Whiteside; 
torios
Subject: Re: [Torios] ToriOS Trusty

Den 2016-11-23 kl. 15:32, skrev Nio Wiklund:
> Hi,
>
> Israel helped me to make a test system for ToriOS based on Ubuntu
> Trusty. I am testing it now, and I intend to make
>
> - a tarball for the OBI installer in ToriOS 1.0 and
>
> - a compressed image file for mkusb, so that you can install it easily
> and take part in the testing.
>
> - I'll try to make a vdi file for VirtualBox too.
>
> -o-
>
> I made it in my Toshiba laptop with Intel i5 processor and Intel
> graphics (where it works of course). I tested it in the following
> computers:
>
> IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M - it works but needs the boot option
> forcepae in order to upgrade the kernel.
>
> Dell Dimension 4600 with Pentium 4 - it works
>
> Motherboard M2NVM_DVI with AMD Athlon (64-bit) - it works
>
> Intel NUC6i3SYH - the system works, but not the internet, the computer
> is too new.
>
> Best regards
> Nio

Hi toriosadores,

*Files to install ToriOS-Trusty to test what Israel develops*

Now I have uploaded two tarballs, a compressed image file and a
compressed virtual disk image. You find them and their md5sums at

http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/torios/01_Test_Tarballs/

dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.img.xz # install with mkusb
ToriTrustyTest01_by-OBI-in-Trusty.tar.xz  # tarball for 'my' OBI
ToriTrustyTest01_by-ToriOS-debian.tar.xz  # tarball for ToriOS 1.0
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz # disk for VirtualBox

Three of the files can be used as they are by mkusb and the two OBI
versions. The vdi.xz file must be expanded before it is used with
VirtualBox,

xzcat dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi.xz >
dd_ToriOS-Trusty-Test-01_7.8GB.vdi

Connect the vdi file to a virtual machine and boot ToriOS. You should be
able to update & upgrade it with Israel's new versions in order to test
them.

I had very low resolution in VirtualBox, only 640x480, until I set

GRUB_TERMINAL=console

and ran

sudo update-grub. See the attached screenshot. After reboot the
resolution increased to 1024x768. (I did not install any guest additions.)

Happy testing :-)
Nio
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Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS Trusty

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,

Happy Thanksgiving by the way.

Can you explain/expand on your comment below where you said: "Trusty will have 
out of date packages"?

Thank You,
JackT.


From: Torios-dev 
 on behalf of 
Israel 
Sent: 24 November 2016 14:12
To: Nio Wiklund; Jack Trice; Ali M Jjawad; ToriOS developers
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] ToriOS Trusty

On 11/24/2016 02:06 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Den 2016-11-24 kl. 01:38, skrev Israel:
>> On 11/23/2016 08:32 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Israel helped me to make a test system for ToriOS based on Ubuntu
>>> Trusty. I am testing it now, and I intend to make
>>>
>>> - a tarball for the OBI installer in ToriOS 1.0 and
>>>
>>> - a compressed image file for mkusb, so that you can install it easily
>>> and take part in the testing.
>>>
>>> - I'll try to make a vdi file for VirtualBox too.
>>>
>>> -o-
>>>
>>> I made it in my Toshiba laptop with Intel i5 processor and Intel
>>> graphics (where it works of course). I tested it in the following
>>> computers:
>>>
>>> IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M - it works but needs the boot option
>>> forcepae in order to upgrade the kernel.
>>>
>>> Dell Dimension 4600 with Pentium 4 - it works
>>>
>>> Motherboard M2NVM_DVI with AMD Athlon (64-bit) - it works
>>>
>>> Intel NUC6i3SYH - the system works, but not the internet, the computer
>>> is too new.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>
>> Hey Nio,
>>
>> I updated the torios-from-mini script
>>
>> simply run:
>>
>> wget
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Israel-/torios-from-mini/master/torios-ubuntu-x86.sh
>>
>>
>> chmod +x torios-ubuntu-x86.sh
>>
>> ./torios-ubuntu-x86.sh
>>
>> then run:
>>
>> torios-reboot
>>
>> Then log in!
>>
>
> Hi Israel,
>
> Starting from where?
>
> From a mini system made from mini.iso or Ubuntu Server iso file or
> from an already working ToriOS system, or from somewhere else?
>
> And which version (Debian Jessie, Ubuntu Trusty, Xenial)?
>
> Best regards
> Nio

Hi Nio,

You can start from mini.iso installed, or server, and possibly installed
ToriOS would work too.

This is for Ubuntu (precise, trusty, xenial) though Xenial is the only
officially supported version.  Trusty will have out of date packages.

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Re: [Torios-dev] Vanishing Desktop Shortcuts v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


2 lines ; see inline pic.


[cid:a05cacf5-bcef-4a27-b37e-910cc52984a6]


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From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 21 November 2016 15:03
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: Vanishing Desktop Shortcuts [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 
2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/21/2016 08:43 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Files attached as requested.


JackT.

...
Hmmm
perhaps something else is going on.
please run:
pgrep -f "pcmanfm --desktop"
And let me know how many lines of numbers show up

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Re: [Torios-dev] Vanishing Desktop Shortcuts v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

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Hi Israel,


Files attached as requested.


JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 21 November 2016 14:05
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: Vanishing Desktop Shortcuts [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 
2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/21/2016 03:17 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


All updates applied; vanishing desktop shortcuts problem persists. Log file 
attached.


JackT.


Hi Jack,
Thank you it looks like the updates don't mess it up, and your jwmrc doesn't 
mess it up.
So now on to pcmanfm.
You should have 2 files in:
~/.config/pcmanfm/default/
desktop-items-0.conf
and pcmanfm.conf
send those my way and we can perhaps get to the bottom of this issue once and 
for all.

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desktop-items-0.conf
Description: desktop-items-0.conf


pcmanfm.conf
Description: pcmanfm.conf
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Re: [Torios-dev] Vanishing Desktop Shortcuts v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


All updates applied; vanishing desktop shortcuts problem persists. Log file 
attached.


JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 November 2016 20:14
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/19/2016 10:20 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi israel,


Updated those .jwmrc and .jwmrc~ files and logged out/logged in but still 
desktop shortcuts vanish.


torios-desktop info attached/included.



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...
Hey Jack,
I didn't get the info in that e-mail.
I updated things again for the torios-desktop revision 405
please resend the
~/.torios-desktop.postinst.log


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Using /home/jack as the HOME directory for jack
overwrote /etc/skel/.bashrc
copied jwmrc file to backup (~/.jwmrc.old)
updated jwmrc
copied user gtk settings to root
/usr/bin/amixer-down is executable
/usr/bin/amixer-toggle is executable
/usr/bin/amixer-up is executable
/usr/bin/debian-ppa-handler is executable
/usr/bin/dialog-chooser is executable
/usr/bin/firstrun is executable
/usr/bin/hdmi-switch is executable
/usr/bin/jwmIconFinder is executable
/usr/bin/nice-start is executable
/usr/bin/screenie is executable
/usr/bin/starttorios is executable
/usr/bin/torios-about is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-appearance does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-askpass is executable
/usr/bin/torios-autostart is executable
/usr/bin/torios-autostart-mod is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-background does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-battery is executable
/usr/bin/torios-calendar is executable
/usr/bin/torios-clock is executable
/usr/bin/torios-config is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-cursors does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-exit is executable
/usr/bin/torios-filesharing is executable
/usr/bin/torios-gamma is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-gtk does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-hibernate is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-icons does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-info is executable
/usr/bin/torios-installer is executable
/usr/bin/torios-internet is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-jwmrc-element does NOT exist
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-jwmrc-util does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-packagetool is executable
/usr/bin/torios-printer is executable
/usr/bin/torios-reboot is executable
/usr/bin/torios-runchecker is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-shortcut does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-shutdown is executable
/usr/bin/torios-suspend is executable
[WARNING] /usr/bin/torios-tray does NOT exist
/usr/bin/torios-volume is executable
/usr/bin/xedit-text-mime is executable
/usr/bin/zlocate is executable
/usr/bin/zrun is executable
pcmanfm handles the default inode/directory opening for xdg-open
xedit mime setting program executed
gksu is set to use sudo mode already in /usr/bin/gconftool-2
gksu is set to use sudo mode already in /usr/bin/gconftool
Removed faulty display desktopfile from our menus
Removed faulty display (q16) desktopfile from our menu
updated user directories
updated user GTK directories
changed /etc/systemd/journald.conf to use SystemMaxUse=50 to prevent slowdown
Recursively chowned hidden things in /home/jack
Recursively chowned things in /home/jack
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Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


The info. you asked for is in the inline picture/screenshot, namely 'sudo apt 
show torios-desktop' and I believe it shows rev 404.


I guess now I'll move on and update to rev 405.


JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 20 November 2016 20:14
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/19/2016 10:20 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi israel,


Updated those .jwmrc and .jwmrc~ files and logged out/logged in but still 
desktop shortcuts vanish.


torios-desktop info attached/included.



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Cheers,

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...
Hey Jack,
I didn't get the info in that e-mail.
I updated things again for the torios-desktop revision 405
please resend the
~/.torios-desktop.postinst.log


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Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

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Attached my jwmrc, starttorios.log , and nice-start.log files...as problem 
still persists (disappearing desktop shortcuts)...


From: Torios-dev 
<torios-dev-bounces+jackdtrice=outlook@lists.launchpad.net> on behalf of 
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Sent: 18 November 2016 23:19
To: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/18/2016 05:02 PM, Israel wrote:
On 11/16/2016 02:06 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


Hi Israel,

Yes, I can get desktop shortcuts to appear as you suggested but on logout/login 
or reboot they disappear again.

Cheers,
JackT.
...
Hey Jack,
After much looking around, I think I may have fixed the issue.
We shall see :)
Revision 399 will be building/uploading soon for torios-desktop
It *should* fix this issue, as well as add more logging functionality
Once the update installs you will have a log file in either
/tmp/torios-desktop.postinst.log
OR
~/.torios-desktop.postinst.log
I think the other changes (more adequate searching for the user... or 
defaulting to something pretty sane) should fix it.
If not I can try something else.
Please let me know how it works for you.  I will be testing it as well.


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Hey Jack another update.

Revision 400 had a bit extra to format the log file, and I added another check 
which I think will work in Debian specifically.  This really should fix it.

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running /usr/bin/x-session-manager
USER: jack
export SUDO_ASKPASS=/usr/bin/torios-askpass
export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/bin/torios-askpass
export XDG_MENU_PREFIX=lxde-
DESKTOP_SESSION=lightdm-xsession
export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=JWM
export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/jack/.config
export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share:/usr/share
export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/usr/share/upstart/xdg:/etc/xdg
export XDG_CACHE_HOME=/home/jack/.cache
export XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/jack/.local/share/
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might get used
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might get used
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might get used
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might get used

** (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:1477): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

** (nm-applet:1468): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2989:31: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2992:33: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2996:33: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3177:25: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3182:31: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3187:32: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3192:34: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3197:33: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3202:39: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3207:40: Missing name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1468): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3212:42: Missing name of pseudo-class
/usr/bin/torios-volume: line 194: /home/jack/.cache/torios-volume.copyright: Permission denied
** Message: x-terminal-emulator has very limited support, consider choose another terminal
/usr/bin/torios-battery: line 141: /home/jack/.cache/torios-battery.copyright: Permission denied

(nm-applet:1468): libnm-glib-CRITICAL **: nm_secret_agent_register: assertion 'priv->registered == FALSE' failed

** (:1792): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

** (yad:1742): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

(yad:1742): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2989:31: Missing name of pseudo-class

(yad:1742): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2992:33: Missing name of pseudo-class

(yad:1742): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2996:33: Missing name of pseudo-class

(yad:1742): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3177:25: Missing name of pseudo-class

(yad:174

Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,

Updated as you suggested but no change, the desktop shortcuts vanish still 
after reboot or logout/login.

I've attached the postinst.log file.

Cheers,
JackT.



From: Torios-dev 
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Sent: 18 November 2016 23:19
To: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/18/2016 05:02 PM, Israel wrote:
On 11/16/2016 02:06 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


Hi Israel,

Yes, I can get desktop shortcuts to appear as you suggested but on logout/login 
or reboot they disappear again.

Cheers,
JackT.
...
Hey Jack,
After much looking around, I think I may have fixed the issue.
We shall see :)
Revision 399 will be building/uploading soon for torios-desktop
It *should* fix this issue, as well as add more logging functionality
Once the update installs you will have a log file in either
/tmp/torios-desktop.postinst.log
OR
~/.torios-desktop.postinst.log
I think the other changes (more adequate searching for the user... or 
defaulting to something pretty sane) should fix it.
If not I can try something else.
Please let me know how it works for you.  I will be testing it as well.


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Hey Jack another update.

Revision 400 had a bit extra to format the log file, and I added another check 
which I think will work in Debian specifically.  This really should fix it.

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Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

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Hi Israel,

Something else I reported a while ago still persists, which is when I click on 
Apps -> System -> Root Terminal, nothing appears.

Cheers,
JackT.


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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
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Hi Israel,

Yes, I can get desktop shortcuts to appear as you suggested but on logout/login 
or reboot they disappear again.

Cheers,
JackT.


From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 15 November 2016 19:11
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: v83 testing in VB Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/15/2016 09:26 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Okay I do now get the Desktop Settings window by running 'jwm-settings-manager 
--desktop'.


Also, I'm still having to do 'pcmanfm --desktop ' to see any desktop 
shortcuts I created.


Cheers,

JackT.




Jack,

try running the desktop settings and then uncheck 'Icons on Desktop'

And then check it again.

This *may* help...

not sure, but worth a shot :D

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Re: [Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,


Okay I do now get the Desktop Settings window by running 'jwm-settings-manager 
--desktop'.


Also, I'm still having to do 'pcmanfm --desktop ' to see any desktop 
shortcuts I created.


Cheers,

JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 15 November 2016 13:09
To: Cinque Port Computers
Cc: torios- dev; Nio Wiklund
Subject: Re: v83 testing in VB Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2 update (as well as minor 
ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/15/2016 02:36 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:

Hi Israel,


Updated Debian in VB to v83...


1) Rt-click on desktop and clicking on 'Add new items to Desktop'  did nothing.

2) Clicking on 'Desktop Preferences' from App -> Settings did nothing.


Cheers,

JackT.

...
Hi Jack,
Could you run it from the terminal please?
jwm-settings-manager --desktop
Also, your .jwmrc might need adjusting.
I will have to do something to modify the jwmrc for sure, once this is ready to 
roll out to the users.
To list all the jwm-settings-manager options you can use
the -h --help or -? options

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[Torios-dev] v83 testing in VB Re: JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

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Hi Israel,


Updated Debian in VB to v83...


1) Rt-click on desktop and clicking on 'Add new items to Desktop'  did nothing.

2) Clicking on 'Desktop Preferences' from App -> Settings did nothing.


Cheers,

JackT.



From: Israel <israeld...@gmail.com>
Sent: 15 November 2016 00:37
To: Cinque Port Computers; Nio Wiklund
Cc: torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

On 11/13/2016 03:03 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:


Good questions Nio, I was wondering which variant to start with too [??]


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Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

Den 2016-11-12 kl. 22:54, skrev Israel:
> On 11/10/2016 11:38 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Den 2016-11-11 kl. 02:55, skrev Israel:
>>> ...
>>>
>>
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> I'm happy to see you active again :-)
>>
>> Please advice detailed steps how to get this version: where to start
>> and which command lines to run.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
> Hi Nio!
> It is nice to have things stabilizing again!
> I just updated the code and will be rebuilding again.  I fixed a few
> minor annoyances in the themes section.
>
> So... to update to this version you must add the unstable testing PPA.
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:israeldahl/torios
>
> This will add my PPA.  Then simply
>
> sudo apt update && sudo apt -y full-upgrade
>
> Or... feel free to simply
>
> sudo apt install jwm-settings-manager
>
> This should update you to the 2.0 branch.
>
> The area needing the most attention currently is the 'Panel' section, so
> there will be missing features and bugs.  Hopefully nothing too major
> will be there.
>
> There is some highly experimental stuff (the recent Includes bit) that
> will require a bunch of manual labour, and possibly crash the program
> (completely untested).
>
> But I will test that out before giving instructions on how to do it, as
> I would like to limit the damage to others as much as possible here.
>
>
> But, test everything else.
>
> Desktop
>
> Windows
>
> Keyboard
>
> Themes
>
> Fonts
>
> Autostart
>
>
> The Icons thing is still really basic (only listing the filenames), and
> I will re-enable the 'icon theme' portion as soon as I nail down why it
> wasn't working
>
> The Touchpad/Mouse section should be tested on Mouse Only (no touchpad
> on the computer) AND touchpad computers... my laptop has a touchpad and
> it worked great to get it setup nicely
>
> I hope that covers everything :D
>
>

Thanks for these details, Israel :-)

I have another question too (very basic about where to start).

Can I start with (which would you expect to work)

- ToriOS 1.0 live
- ToriOS 1.0 installed
- ToriOS daily live (debian)
- ToriOS daily installed (debian)
- Debian Jessie (stable)
- Debian Stretch (testing)
- Debian Sid (unstable)
- Ubuntu 14.04.1 (trusty kernel)
- Ubuntu 14.04.5 (xenial kernel)
- Ubuntu 16.04.1 (xenial kernel)

and where is it best to start testing (what will be best for testing
what you want us to test)?

Best regards
Nio

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Hey all,

I discovered some serious issues in the autostart program.  Things were not 
working correctly, but I have since fixed them, and it should work fine now.

This will be in revision 

Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

[Cinque Port Computers]

Good questions Nio, I was wondering which variant to start with too []


From: Torios-dev 
 on behalf of 
Nio Wiklund 
Sent: 13 November 2016 07:14
To: Israel; torios- dev
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] JSM 2 update (as well as minor ToriOS stuff update)

Den 2016-11-12 kl. 22:54, skrev Israel:
> On 11/10/2016 11:38 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Den 2016-11-11 kl. 02:55, skrev Israel:
>>> ...
>>>
>>
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> I'm happy to see you active again :-)
>>
>> Please advice detailed steps how to get this version: where to start
>> and which command lines to run.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
> Hi Nio!
> It is nice to have things stabilizing again!
> I just updated the code and will be rebuilding again.  I fixed a few
> minor annoyances in the themes section.
>
> So... to update to this version you must add the unstable testing PPA.
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:israeldahl/torios
>
> This will add my PPA.  Then simply
>
> sudo apt update && sudo apt -y full-upgrade
>
> Or... feel free to simply
>
> sudo apt install jwm-settings-manager
>
> This should update you to the 2.0 branch.
>
> The area needing the most attention currently is the 'Panel' section, so
> there will be missing features and bugs.  Hopefully nothing too major
> will be there.
>
> There is some highly experimental stuff (the recent Includes bit) that
> will require a bunch of manual labour, and possibly crash the program
> (completely untested).
>
> But I will test that out before giving instructions on how to do it, as
> I would like to limit the damage to others as much as possible here.
>
>
> But, test everything else.
>
> Desktop
>
> Windows
>
> Keyboard
>
> Themes
>
> Fonts
>
> Autostart
>
>
> The Icons thing is still really basic (only listing the filenames), and
> I will re-enable the 'icon theme' portion as soon as I nail down why it
> wasn't working
>
> The Touchpad/Mouse section should be tested on Mouse Only (no touchpad
> on the computer) AND touchpad computers... my laptop has a touchpad and
> it worked great to get it setup nicely
>
> I hope that covers everything :D
>
>

Thanks for these details, Israel :-)

I have another question too (very basic about where to start).

Can I start with (which would you expect to work)

- ToriOS 1.0 live
- ToriOS 1.0 installed
- ToriOS daily live (debian)
- ToriOS daily installed (debian)
- Debian Jessie (stable)
- Debian Stretch (testing)
- Debian Sid (unstable)
- Ubuntu 14.04.1 (trusty kernel)
- Ubuntu 14.04.5 (xenial kernel)
- Ubuntu 16.04.1 (xenial kernel)

and where is it best to start testing (what will be best for testing
what you want us to test)?

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Israel,
Logs as requested.
Cheers,JackT.

Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 16:38:13 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/05/2016 02:47 PM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  


  
Updates
applied; 'jwm -p' produces no output but the Trash Can and
my Sakura desktop shortcuts still do not persist over
logout/login or reboot.


  
(And
to get them to appear I'm still doing the pkill pcmanfm and
pcmanfm --desktop )


  
Cheers.
JackT.


  

  

  

  > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:34:49 -0500

> Subject: RE: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE:
Yet another Update

> From: israeld...@gmail.com

> To: jackdtr...@outlook.com

> CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com;
torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net

> 

> Let me know how the menu update effects things.

> See if jwm -p has no output and if the issue is fixed

> 

> Regards

  

  



Hey Jack,

Can you send me a couple logs.

~/.jwm/jsm-logs/nice-start.log

~/.starttorios.log

Those might help me figure this out a bit more.



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nice-start
jack
[USING]
gtk theme: Numix
icon theme: Numix-Circle
as themes

using /usr/bin/gconftool-2 to set Numix as gtk_theme
using /usr/bin/gconftool-2 to set Numix-Circle as icon_theme
[WARNING] gsettings: 
does not exist or is not executable
ran: /home/jack/.config/jsm-mouse
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=gpg
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=pkcs11
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might 
get used
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=secrets
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might 
get used
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might 
get used
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh
gsettings-data-convert
gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, unsecure memory might 
get used
nm-applet
xset -dpms
xset s off -dpms
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
torios-battery
torios-volume
jwm -restart
xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update

** (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:1451): WARNING **: Error retrieving 
accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name 
org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files

** (nm-applet:1445): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: 
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not 
provided by any .service files

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2955:31: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2958:33: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2962:33: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3143:25: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3148:31: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3153:32: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3158:34: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3163:33: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3168:39: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3173:40: Missing 
name of pseudo-class

(nm-applet:1445): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:3178:42: Missing 
name of pseudo-class
/usr/bin/torios-battery: line 89: /home/jack/.cache/torios-battery.copyright: 
Permission denied
/usr/bin/torios-volume: line 158: /home/jack/.cache/torios-volume.copyright: 
Permission denied

(nm-applet:1445): libnm-glib-CRITICAL **: nm_secret_agent_register: assertion 
'priv->registered == FALSE' failed

** (:1692): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: 
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not 
provided by any .service files

** (yad:1686): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: 
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not 
provided by any .service files

(yad:1686): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:2955:31: Missing

Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,

Updates applied; 'jwm -p' produces no output but the Trash Can and my Sakura 
desktop shortcuts still do not persist over logout/login or reboot.
(And to get them to appear I'm still doing the pkill pcmanfm and pcmanfm 
--desktop )
Cheers.JackT.


> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:34:49 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update
> From: israeld...@gmail.com
> To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
> CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
> 
> Let me know how the menu update effects things.
> See if jwm -p has no output and if the issue is fixed
> 
> Regards
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Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Israel,
Yeah, I got a ton of output running just 'jwm -p'.
Cheers,JackT.

Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 09:43:10 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/05/2016 09:15 AM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
Yes,
when I get the new shortcut to show up the Trash Can shows
up as well.


  
Cheers,
JackT.
  ...
  

As odd as it may sound, I think this is related to the App menu.

I figured it might be so I dug into the menu code, and updated the
common library backend to add a couple of output precompiler defines

I made an XML output and a 'Quiet' output

I made sure to test the cache file better to make sure it is
caching.

So, the two main issues were

non XML output and Not caching.

I think this can be verified if you run

jwm -p

If you run this and get NO output then everything is good.

If you get ANY output then the menu is the issue.

You may not get any if it cached well... so you might have to remove
the appmod and cache files

~/.cache/appmod

~/.cache/appmod.old

~/.cache/jwm-menu.cache

then rerun jwm -p

You should get lots of output.



Anyhow,

jwm-menu revision 90

should fix this issue, so update and report back your results!





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Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Israel,
Yes, when I get the new shortcut to show up the Trash Can shows up as well.
Cheers,JackT.

Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 09:05:43 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/05/2016 02:26 AM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
Updates
applied.


  
1)
Clicking on menu item 'Shutdown Computer' brings up
'Autostart Programs' pop-up.
2)
My desktop shortcut is not visible over reboots.
3)
Clicking on menu item 'Root Terminal' does nothing.


  
Cheers,
JackT
  




  

  



Hi Jack,

I added '--shutdown' to the available ways to launch it, but I
  accidentally moved --halt to the line above (autostart)



I will fix this!! sorry

I am not sure why your desktop shortcut is not visible over
  reboots.

Does it automatically show the 'trash' icon when you see the
  shortcut?

If so, then this issue is that JWM is not loading pcmanfm
  completely correctly

Which may mean I there is something that takes too long to load. 
  I will check some things out here and see if I can fix whatever it
  is.



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Re: [Torios-dev] More Debian VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,
Updates applied.
1) Clicking on menu item 'Shutdown Computer' brings up 'Autostart Programs' 
pop-up.2) My desktop shortcut is not visible over reboots.3) Clicking on menu 
item 'Root Terminal' does nothing.
Cheers,JackT.

To: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 19:48:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update


  

  
  
On 10/04/2016 01:24 PM, Israel wrote:



  
  On 10/04/2016 10:03 AM, Cinque Port
Computers wrote:

  
  
...

  

Hi again,

Revision 71 is great!

The desktop settings now FULLY work (as far as I can tell).

You can *finally* set a gradient OR solid for pcmanfm (at least here
in Xenity)

SVG backgrounds now show up nicely in the background chooser
program.



Since we are using pcmanfm I set jwm to use an SVG as well, rather
than using a gradient, but this should only effect JWM IF running
pcmanfm.

There is code in there to support gsettings, but I think I will
modify it to use the same type of code. that way things are
universally supported easily.



I will begin working more diligently on some of the other portions
of the settings manager, but in my experience it is MUCH better:

no crashes

much larger support of images

better more clear UI

more features, and configuration



when you have a chance please test out the desktop settings to see
what you think of the changes.

AFAIK the desktop settings, mouse, and fonts fully work as is, and
include many improvements.



There are some issues in the other sub programs, and possibly
missing features.

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Re: [Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Israel,
Your 2 pcmanfm commands did the trick; I now have my Sakura shortcut on my 
desktop.
  
  
Cheers,JackT.

Subject: Re: VB Testing RE: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 08:31:17 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/03/2016 03:34 PM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
Any
idea why after creating (for instance) a Sakura.desktop
file, the icon never appears on my desktop?  I've checked it
exists in my Desktop folder via PCManFM but it is never
visible on my actual desktop.


  
Cheers,
JackT.
  

  

  
Subject: Re: VB Testing RE:
[Torios-dev] Yet another Update

To: jackdtr...@outlook.com

CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net

From: israeld...@gmail.com

Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:47:11 -0500



On 10/03/2016 10:42 AM,
  Cinque Port Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Isreal,


  
Thanks for that .jwmrc file; works a treat
now.


  



 



  

   
  Cheers,
JackT.
  

  

  

  
Subject: Re: VB Testing RE:
[Torios-dev] Yet another Update

To: jackdtr...@outlook.com

CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com;
torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net

From: israeld...@gmail.com

Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:38:43 -0500



On 10/03/2016 04:04
  AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:



  
  
Hi Israel,


  
.jwmrc attached.


  
The back ground is
changed okay now.  I ran jwm-settings-manager
--desktop and got the output included in the
pic. and eventually the background changer
window popped up.


  


  

  
  
  

  




  


  
  
  
Cheers,
  
  
JackT.
  
  .

Hey Jack,

Your jwmrc is really screwed up.  I am attaching a
version that is better.  I fixed it up, and am
sending you it.  I named it jack.jwmrc so just
rename it to .jwmrc and copy it to your ~/

See if that fixes your multiple nm-applets.



It looks as though the settings manager needs more
work on the pcmanfm wallpaper grabber portion.  It
may be that things are just reversed and it is quite
simple to fix.  I heavily modified everything to use
a common library I made (it is also used by the menu
programs, and will be used by other things as
well).  This will make maintaining all the programs
easier in the long road.

I will look into this issue and push an update soon



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Hi Jack glad to hear it!

I have started working on getting SVG support into jsm2
(jwm-settings-manager... I'll probably use this acronym as
it is easier)

But I did indeed find the issue with PCManFM and
backgrounds... it was using the older version of a function
call, and I have since fixed

Re: [Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,
Any idea why after creating (for instance) a Sakura.desktop file, the icon 
never appears on my desktop?  I've checked it exists in my Desktop folder via 
PCManFM but it is never visible on my actual desktop.
Cheers,JackT.

Subject: Re: VB Testing RE: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:47:11 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/03/2016 10:42 AM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Isreal,


  
Thanks
for that .jwmrc file; works a treat now.


  

  
  

 



  

  

  Cheers,
JackT.
  

  

  

  
Subject: Re: VB Testing RE:
[Torios-dev] Yet another Update

To: jackdtr...@outlook.com

CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net

From: israeld...@gmail.com

Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:38:43 -0500



On 10/03/2016 04:04 AM,
  Cinque Port Computers wrote:



  
  
Hi Israel,


  
.jwmrc attached.


  
The back ground is changed okay now.  I
ran jwm-settings-manager
--desktop and got the output included in the pic.
and eventually the background changer window popped
up.


  


  

  
  
  

  




  


  
  
  
Cheers,
  
  
JackT.
  
  .

Hey Jack,

Your jwmrc is really screwed up.  I am attaching a version
that is better.  I fixed it up, and am sending you it.  I
named it jack.jwmrc so just rename it to .jwmrc and copy it
to your ~/

See if that fixes your multiple nm-applets.



It looks as though the settings manager needs more work on
the pcmanfm wallpaper grabber portion.  It may be that
things are just reversed and it is quite simple to fix.  I
heavily modified everything to use a common library I made
(it is also used by the menu programs, and will be used by
other things as well).  This will make maintaining all the
programs easier in the long road.

I will look into this issue and push an update soon



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Hi Jack glad to hear it!

I have started working on getting SVG support into jsm2
  (jwm-settings-manager... I'll probably use this acronym as it is
  easier)

But I did indeed find the issue with PCManFM and backgrounds...
  it was using the older version of a function call, and I have
  since fixed it in the code.. however I am still working on getting
  SVG icon support so I have not rebuilt it... but your issue will
  be fixed!





See if there are any other issues you come up with, and let me
  know.  Try out the settings manager and see if there is anything
  major you find







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Re: [Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Isreal,
Thanks for that .jwmrc file; works a treat now.
  
Cheers,JackT.


Subject: Re: VB Testing RE: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:38:43 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/03/2016 04:04 AM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  
Hi
Israel,


  
.jwmrc
attached.


  
The
back ground is changed okay now.  I ran jwm-settings-manager 
--desktop and
got the output included in the pic. and eventually the
background changer window popped up.


  


  

  


  

  
   
  



  


  
  
  
Cheers,
  
  
JackT.
  
  .

Hey Jack,

Your jwmrc is really screwed up.  I am attaching a version that is
better.  I fixed it up, and am sending you it.  I named it
jack.jwmrc so just rename it to .jwmrc and copy it to your ~/

See if that fixes your multiple nm-applets.



It looks as though the settings manager needs more work on the
pcmanfm wallpaper grabber portion.  It may be that things are just
reversed and it is quite simple to fix.  I heavily modified
everything to use a common library I made (it is also used by the
menu programs, and will be used by other things as well).  This will
make maintaining all the programs easier in the long road.

I will look into this issue and push an update soon



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Re: [Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Israel,
.jwmrc attached.
The back ground is changed okay now.  I ran jwm-settings-manager --desktop and 
got the output included in the pic. and eventually the background changer 
window popped up.

  

Cheers,JackT.


Subject: Re: VB Testing RE: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:24:05 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/02/2016 08:10 PM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  
Hi
Israel,


  
File
jwmrc-grep.txt attached.


  
I
added the PPA as you instructed for your new
jwm-settings-manager and then did a 'apt-get update and then
dist-upgrade'...


  
I
did right-click on desktop to use 'Change Desktop
Background'.


  
Cheers,

  JackT.
  ..

  



Woah that looks really odd.

Can you just send me the entire file, there are some serious
  issues with your jwmrc if I understand your output correctly.





Can you try changing the background by running

jwm-settings-manager --desktop

Or opening the settings manager and choosing the desktop option

IIRC the menu item is actually the script.

Though.. your jwmrc might have issues, since you have tested
  things for quite some time...

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Re: [Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

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Hi Israel,
File jwmrc-grep.txt attached.
I added the PPA as you instructed for your new jwm-settings-manager and then 
did a 'apt-get update and then dist-upgrade'...
I did right-click on desktop to use 'Change Desktop Background'.
Cheers,JackT.


Subject: Re: VB Testing RE: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update
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CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 19:52:32 -0500


  

  
  
On 10/02/2016 07:39 PM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
Applied
all recent updates to Debian VB install.


  
1)
Still have the 2 nm-applet icons appearing in the top panel.


  

  
  

 



  


  
2)
Tried creating desktop item for Sakura which used to work
but now I go through the Add Item process, it appears to
create the desktop.file but the item/icon never appears on
the desktop itself even after reloads.


  
3)
Changed wallpaper and had a black screen appear several
times now after logging out and logging back in again.
 Wallpaper changes okay but disappears to a black screen now
and again.


  
That's
it for now,
JackT.


  


  

...

Hi Jack,

Thanks for the report.  Did you set the background using the new
jwm-settings-manager (from the debian files I linked) OR is this
from the menu item OR old jwm-settings-manager?



I am working a bit on the torios package stuff right now, fixing
some issues I have found.



Can you send me the output of

grep "StartupCommand" ~/.jwmrc



Thanks!!



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nice-start
pcmanfm --desktop
nice-start
--xml jack
pcmanfm --desktop
nice-start
pcmanfm --desktop
nice-start
--xml jack
--xml 
jack
pcmanfm 
--desktop

nice-start
pcmanfm 
--desktop

nice-start
--xml 
jack

pcmanfm --desktop

nice-start

pcmanfm --desktop

nice-start

--xml jack

--xml jack

--xml jack

pcmanfm 
--desktop


nice-start

pcmanfm 
--desktop


nice-start

--xml 
jack

pcmanfm 
--desktop


nice-start

pcmanfm 
--desktop


nice-start

--xml 
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[Torios-dev] VB Testing RE: Yet another Update

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,
Applied all recent updates to Debian VB install.
1) Still have the 2 nm-applet icons appearing in the top panel.
  

2) Tried creating desktop item for Sakura which used to work but now I go 
through the Add Item process, it appears to create the desktop.file but the 
item/icon never appears on the desktop itself even after reloads.
3) Changed wallpaper and had a black screen appear several times now after 
logging out and logging back in again.  Wallpaper changes okay but disappears 
to a black screen now and again.
That's it for now,JackT.



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From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update


  


  
  
Hi everyone,

I have been coding in my spare time on the jwm-settings-manager
  2.0 branch.

Here are the updates:

Mouse/Touchpad:

This is now fully working, and contains code to switch the cursor
  theme, and works fairly well.  The touchpad settings all work the
  same.

The main difference is that the JWM settings are in a single tab,
  and IF NO TOUCHPAD is present a window showing ONLY the JWM
  settings will show, rather than a window with options that do not
  work.





Panel:

Most of this works now.  There are a few remaining issues to fix,
  but the major stuff is working.

The menu editor dialog is much improved (it looks much cleaner
  now) and the functionality works as well as it did previously. 
  There is still no way to remove certain things (there never was),
  but I will work on adding that functionality soon.



Window:

Groups work well now, and fully populate, though there are doubtless
some aspects that do not fully work yet.

The window buttons are now designed slightly differently and seem
more compact and clear to me, though you testers can tell me if the
UI changes make sense or not.



Icons:

The icon dialog is up to par with what it was capable of, though I
intend to instate Icon theme usage soon (didn't work properly in the
old one, which is why it would call a script dialog to do this), as
most of the underlying functions have been improved and work much
better now. So currently it is only for manually editing the lines.



Themes:

This works.  There are minor issues (the app button doesn't show up,
but that is minor and should be easy to fix)



Desktop:

Everything I have tried works.  But I have not completely tested it
all, and there may be a few things that still need tweaking.



Fonts:

This all works well.  I think it works the same as the old one,
though I improved some things... for example choosing a font that
has 'bold' will now show up as bold.  Same thing for 'italic'



Keyboard:

This is MUCH improved, and mostly working at this point.

There is now a key grabber.  You can click a button and then enter a
Key combination which it will grab.

I plan to add a list of XF86 keys (the key grabber doesn't grab
these well)

To make that easy (and make nice names rather than "XF86Calculator"
do something like "Calculator Button")

But this is already improved since you do not have to type in things
like 'Page_Up' since not everyone knows the X standards for key
names, and they must be typed in perfectly or it wont work...  So
now it does everything for the user!





To make it easy to test (if you don't want to add the PPA)

Here are the links:


https://code.launchpad.net/~israeldahl/+archive/ubuntu/torios/+files/jwm-settings-manager-common_2.0.0ubuntu1-66~ubuntu14.04.1_all.deb


https://code.launchpad.net/~israeldahl/+archive/ubuntu/torios/+files/jwm-settings-manager_2.0.0ubuntu1-66~ubuntu14.04.1_i386.deb

There are most likely bugs that I do not know about... but hopefully
it is relatively less buggy than the previous version.

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Re: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update

[Cinque Port Computers]

Thanks for these updates Israel.

To: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Torios-dev] Yet another Update


  


  
  
Hi everyone,

I have been coding in my spare time on the jwm-settings-manager
  2.0 branch.

Here are the updates:

Mouse/Touchpad:

This is now fully working, and contains code to switch the cursor
  theme, and works fairly well.  The touchpad settings all work the
  same.

The main difference is that the JWM settings are in a single tab,
  and IF NO TOUCHPAD is present a window showing ONLY the JWM
  settings will show, rather than a window with options that do not
  work.





Panel:

Most of this works now.  There are a few remaining issues to fix,
  but the major stuff is working.

The menu editor dialog is much improved (it looks much cleaner
  now) and the functionality works as well as it did previously. 
  There is still no way to remove certain things (there never was),
  but I will work on adding that functionality soon.



Window:

Groups work well now, and fully populate, though there are doubtless
some aspects that do not fully work yet.

The window buttons are now designed slightly differently and seem
more compact and clear to me, though you testers can tell me if the
UI changes make sense or not.



Icons:

The icon dialog is up to par with what it was capable of, though I
intend to instate Icon theme usage soon (didn't work properly in the
old one, which is why it would call a script dialog to do this), as
most of the underlying functions have been improved and work much
better now. So currently it is only for manually editing the lines.



Themes:

This works.  There are minor issues (the app button doesn't show up,
but that is minor and should be easy to fix)



Desktop:

Everything I have tried works.  But I have not completely tested it
all, and there may be a few things that still need tweaking.



Fonts:

This all works well.  I think it works the same as the old one,
though I improved some things... for example choosing a font that
has 'bold' will now show up as bold.  Same thing for 'italic'



Keyboard:

This is MUCH improved, and mostly working at this point.

There is now a key grabber.  You can click a button and then enter a
Key combination which it will grab.

I plan to add a list of XF86 keys (the key grabber doesn't grab
these well)

To make that easy (and make nice names rather than "XF86Calculator"
do something like "Calculator Button")

But this is already improved since you do not have to type in things
like 'Page_Up' since not everyone knows the X standards for key
names, and they must be typed in perfectly or it wont work...  So
now it does everything for the user!





To make it easy to test (if you don't want to add the PPA)

Here are the links:


https://code.launchpad.net/~israeldahl/+archive/ubuntu/torios/+files/jwm-settings-manager-common_2.0.0ubuntu1-66~ubuntu14.04.1_all.deb


https://code.launchpad.net/~israeldahl/+archive/ubuntu/torios/+files/jwm-settings-manager_2.0.0ubuntu1-66~ubuntu14.04.1_i386.deb

There are most likely bugs that I do not know about... but hopefully
it is relatively less buggy than the previous version.

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Re: [Torios-dev] jwm-settings-manager 2.0

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Hi Israel,
Is this for Debian or Ubuntu  or both??
Cheers,JackT.
PS: I ask as I thought you couldn't add-repository in Debian-land?

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From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 08:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Torios-dev] jwm-settings-manager 2.0


  


  
  
Hey everyone,

I have finally built jwm-settings-manager 2.0 in a PPA.

It still has a ways to go before it is fully functional, but the
  things that already work, work reliably, and it has quite a bit of
  functionality already.

If you want to test this:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:israeldahl/torios
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install jwm-settings-manager
(or  dist-upgrade)

I am sure there are bugs, but there is a lot that changed.

I reworked the UI pretty heavily in most places.

I worked pretty heavily on aligning things, and shrinking the unused
space in each window.  This will help on low resolution screens
(window size is a big issue sometimes on low-res screens) as most
everything should fit well, but windows will be scrollable still in
the case that they still do not fit (each major window will turn
into a scrollable box if things are off screen).



This is just a test to see what people think about the current state
of this next update.



The UI is basically the same as it was, so it should be familiar to
you.  But there are some new things in the works that should help
with getting this where it needs to be.

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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,
Updated to rev. 88:
1) Alphabetised menu items looks so much better; good job.2) 
Autostart/autologin still faulty.3) I'm still seeing 2 nm-applet icons in the 
top panel.
Cheers,JackT.


Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 15:02:41 -0500


  

  
  
On 09/04/2016 10:20 AM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
I
reinstalled to force log-in screen firstly...I found menu
item 'Autostart'...typed in my username 'jack' to the Add
field...clicked OK...rebooted (several times) but each time
it asked me to login...so that's not working to Autologin
quite yet.


  
I
also noticed the 2 nm-applets in the top panel problem is
there again on installed system.


  
Cheers,
JackT.
  

  

  
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in
VB: RE: new TESTING iso

To: jackdtr...@outlook.com

CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net

From: israeld...@gmail.com

Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 19:45:11 -0500



On 09/03/2016 03:39 PM,
  Cinque Port Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
I think once you started that Browser list
it has opened up too many glitches.  My initial
thought would be just leave Firefox and Chromium in
the list and drop the rest.


  
Regards,
JackT.
  

  

  ...

  

Hey Jack,

I think the current version (386)

fixes these issues, as well as addresses Keiichi's desire to
promote Palemoon to users.

As I explained to Nio, many will simply redirect the user to
a web page.

Seamonkey is not in the list.



However, I did add something from user-config into the
firstrun script

Autologin.

If you do not use autologin you can try it.

Please tell me if it does indeed work.



If you are already using autologin you will not see the menu
item at all.

Since this is just testing right now (we have a few days to
see if these work, or revert so an upgrade doesn't break
things) so I'd like to try this... the code has been there
for quite a few commits, I just never implemented it... so
give it a try.



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Hey Jack,

I tested as well.. there is some issue that makes it not show up
  correctly... I will have to look into things more thoroughly.

I have been toying around with alphabetizing the items, and have
  tested numerous times and now I have something that will work
  extremely well in all situations.





Things of note:

If you have desktop files in multiple directories, they will be
  differentiated by a menu separator.  On my personal computer
  things in my:

~/.local/share/applications/*.desktop

appear first in the menu and then a separator and
  then things in my:



/usr/share/applications/*.desktop

But all is alphabetical now, and I think I improved the
  generation time of the menu a bit using std::list, so overall this
  is a very good change!

So, since my testing has shown (many many many many times in a
  row) only a remarkable improvement I do not think there is need to
  push this into a separate PPA.

You should

rm ~/.cache/jwm-menu.cache ~/.cache/appmod ~/.cache/.appmod.old 
  ;jwm-menu

after you get revision 88



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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,
I reinstalled to force log-in screen firstly...I found menu item 
'Autostart'...typed in my username 'jack' to the Add field...clicked 
OK...rebooted (several times) but each time it asked me to login...so that's 
not working to Autologin quite yet.
I also noticed the 2 nm-applets in the top panel problem is there again on 
installed system.
Cheers,JackT.

Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 19:45:11 -0500


  

  
  
On 09/03/2016 03:39 PM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Hi Israel,


  
I
think once you started that Browser list it has opened up
too many glitches.  My initial thought would be just leave
Firefox and Chromium in the list and drop the rest.


  
Regards,
JackT.
  

  

  ...

  

Hey Jack,

I think the current version (386)

fixes these issues, as well as addresses Keiichi's desire to promote
Palemoon to users.

As I explained to Nio, many will simply redirect the user to a web
page.

Seamonkey is not in the list.



However, I did add something from user-config into the firstrun
script

Autologin.

If you do not use autologin you can try it.

Please tell me if it does indeed work.



If you are already using autologin you will not see the menu item at
all.

Since this is just testing right now (we have a few days to see
  if these work, or revert so an upgrade doesn't break things) so
  I'd like to try this... the code has been there for quite a few
  commits, I just never implemented it... so give it a try.



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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

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Hi Israel,
1) Apps -> System -> Mouse/Touchpad Settings does nothing.2) Looking at the 
Apps -> System menu, the menu items list always seems to be randomly ordered; 
can you consider making it ordered alphabetically by name for instance?  I 
swear every time I install , Sakura ends up in a different place in the list 
from that menu.  Just a thought.
Cheers,JackT.

From: jackdtr...@outlook.com
To: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:17:21 +0100
CC: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso




Hi Israel,
I got this when trying 'torios-installer'.
  


Cheers,JackT.

> Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso
> To: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; jackdtr...@outlook.com
> CC: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
> From: israeld...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 18:49:13 -0500
> 
> Hi Nio
> (inlines)
> On 09/03/2016 05:29 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > Den 2016-09-03 kl. 23:29, skrev Israel:
> >> ...
> >
> > Hi Israel,
> >
> > Maybe it is hard to understand without hands on experience.
> >
> > I think you need not provide more than one or two browsers in a very 
> > easy way.
> currently firefox,chormium,qupzilla,midori, google chrome (if you are 
> 64bit) all install easily from firstrun
> weird ones like:
> seamonkey, opera, palemoon
> do NOT.
> 
> Besides this
> In the apps menu
> Apps->System->Search And Install Software
> if pretty easy to use.
> Synaptic was too big for the ISO, so this script works quite well.
> You can type and search for things and it works fairly well.
> 
> > I guess it should still be possible to install the 'debian way'. Or 
> > are too many things tweaked in ToriOS, that makes things difficult?
> No, you can sudo apt|apt-get install whatever you want.
> however Debian does not have opera, seamonkey, google-chrome, midori in 
> the repos... and recently they added firefox-esr... perviously 
> installing firefox was a bit of a nightmare.
> So, the 'Debian way' is go to the website, and download it OR run some 
> of the colorful commands I was running.  But sometimes servers get 
> maintenance or they change the exact location of something.. etc.
> 
> > What about a program like synaptic - how much can it do in ToriOS, 
> > compared to Lubuntu on one hand Xubuntu or Debian Jessie on the other 
> > hand?
> >
> It can do the exact same as Debian Jessie, but not *ubuntu since they 
> use different repos.
> 
> again, the simple search/install script should be useful enough.
> There are actually other things it can do...
> from torios-installer -?
> 
> torios-installer [OPTIONS]
> 
>   OPTIONS
>  -a|--about About Dialog
>  -h|-\?|--help this Usage
>  -f|--fix Fix broken packages
>  -i|--info Info Dialog
>  -j|--jwmrc [onroot] echo a JWM menu with specified onroot menu 
> (like 'j')
>   use this like:
> 
> exec:torios-installer --jwmrcj
> 
>  border="false">
> exec:torios-installer --search
> root:j
> 
>  -l|--list List Installed Packages
>  -s|--search Search for a package
>  -u|--update Update system
> 
>  No arguments starts the Yad notification
> 
> 
> Try just running:
> torios-installer 
> then use the try icon and look at the extra functionality it can do.
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> 
> 
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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

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Hi Israel,
I got this when trying 'torios-installer'.
  


Cheers,JackT.

> Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso
> To: nio.wikl...@gmail.com; jackdtr...@outlook.com
> CC: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
> From: israeld...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 18:49:13 -0500
> 
> Hi Nio
> (inlines)
> On 09/03/2016 05:29 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > Den 2016-09-03 kl. 23:29, skrev Israel:
> >> ...
> >
> > Hi Israel,
> >
> > Maybe it is hard to understand without hands on experience.
> >
> > I think you need not provide more than one or two browsers in a very 
> > easy way.
> currently firefox,chormium,qupzilla,midori, google chrome (if you are 
> 64bit) all install easily from firstrun
> weird ones like:
> seamonkey, opera, palemoon
> do NOT.
> 
> Besides this
> In the apps menu
> Apps->System->Search And Install Software
> if pretty easy to use.
> Synaptic was too big for the ISO, so this script works quite well.
> You can type and search for things and it works fairly well.
> 
> > I guess it should still be possible to install the 'debian way'. Or 
> > are too many things tweaked in ToriOS, that makes things difficult?
> No, you can sudo apt|apt-get install whatever you want.
> however Debian does not have opera, seamonkey, google-chrome, midori in 
> the repos... and recently they added firefox-esr... perviously 
> installing firefox was a bit of a nightmare.
> So, the 'Debian way' is go to the website, and download it OR run some 
> of the colorful commands I was running.  But sometimes servers get 
> maintenance or they change the exact location of something.. etc.
> 
> > What about a program like synaptic - how much can it do in ToriOS, 
> > compared to Lubuntu on one hand Xubuntu or Debian Jessie on the other 
> > hand?
> >
> It can do the exact same as Debian Jessie, but not *ubuntu since they 
> use different repos.
> 
> again, the simple search/install script should be useful enough.
> There are actually other things it can do...
> from torios-installer -?
> 
> torios-installer [OPTIONS]
> 
>   OPTIONS
>  -a|--about About Dialog
>  -h|-\?|--help this Usage
>  -f|--fix Fix broken packages
>  -i|--info Info Dialog
>  -j|--jwmrc [onroot] echo a JWM menu with specified onroot menu 
> (like 'j')
>   use this like:
> 
> exec:torios-installer --jwmrcj
> 
>  border="false">
> exec:torios-installer --search
> root:j
> 
>  -l|--list List Installed Packages
>  -s|--search Search for a package
>  -u|--update Update system
> 
>  No arguments starts the Yad notification
> 
> 
> Try just running:
> torios-installer 
> then use the try icon and look at the extra functionality it can do.
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> 
> 
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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

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Hi Israel,
I think once you started that Browser list it has opened up too many glitches.  
My initial thought would be just leave Firefox and Chromium in the list and 
drop the rest.
Regards,JackT.

Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net; nio.wikl...@gmail.com
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 15:31:33 -0500


  

  
  


  On 09/03/2016 11:50 AM, Cinque Port Computers wrote:



  
  Just confirming Firefox installs okay now after
  latest updates :)





  


  

...

Hi Jack,

I am thinking of just redirecting users to the websites of the other
browsers, since they can be problematic.

For instance, with Opera, and palemoon, and seamonkey.



Chromium is the only one that 'just works', qupzilla works on
jessie, but not on precise (which we no longer support officially,
of course), chrome is not complicated to do so i can also automate
it.  Midori (i think)  works but is not as nice in Debian as it is
on Ubuntu.



Anyhow... I think this is the best solution.  I do a check for
xdg-open and I also search for other common browsers just to see if
there is an easy way to make it work to open the website.



What do you think?

I am open to simply downloading the deb files from Opera and
installing them, but I do not entirely know what links to use.





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Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

[Cinque Port Computers]

Just confirming Firefox installs okay now after latest updates :)

Subject: Re: [Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso
To: jackdtr...@outlook.com
CC: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net; nio.wikl...@gmail.com
From: israeld...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:20:06 -0500


  

  
  
On 09/03/2016 06:07 AM, Cinque Port
  Computers wrote:



  
  Opera didn't complete well either :(


...

Hey Jack,

I looked into the firefox issue, and greatly simplified that area of
code (it previously was complicated because of the original hoops
required for Jessie)  So the firefox issue is solved.

I too tested seamonkey installation.  I wonder if something happened
on their end, as it does not install well (as you noticed) and there
is some issue with seamonkey itself.



We may need to remove seamonkey from the list, until it gets a more
stable release, or something else changes to make it work again.



I did not mess with opera yet, as Opera may have also changed...  I
will look into it.



You can test the new version now, as firefox does install again.

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[Torios-dev] Testing in VB: RE: new TESTING iso

[Cinque Port Computers]

Hi Israel,

Installed latest TEST iso:

1) Trying to install Firefox from the Dialog-Chooser did nothing.
2) Trying to install Seamonkey gives problem (see pic) when trying to execute 
Seamonkey after installation.

  


Cheers,
JackT.


> To: torios-dev@lists.launchpad.net
> From: israeld...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 21:33:37 -0500
> Subject: [Torios-dev] new TESTING iso
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I think this one fixes the menu issue (not showing up) as well as the 
> other issues.
> 
> I rolled back the Palemoon browser addition, as I could not get it to 
> reliably work , and it is not needed like firefox or chrome for the 
> average user.
> 
> Please zsync and let me know what you think!
> 
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