Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Linear Power Supplies
iPhone wrote: > There is only ONE way to create a DC output without any AC artifacts > especially when one starts with dirty residential AC power and that is > to use a DC battery IE do not start by using ANY AC Power. A linear > power supply can't really help the SB3 or the Touch since both have > internal switching power converters (which are fairly well engineered > because they knew they were dealing with audio and meeting a price point > was the only reason for not spending more money to get power issues any > lower). The design is actually good enough that it does take much more > money that doesn't make sense spending to lower noise etc. Could the > internal supplies be a little cleaner sure, but the cheapest way to get > them cleaner and with much greater results is to by-pass them with the > specific DC Voltage provided by external battery supplies. > > I have tested a Touch and SB3 run off a battery supply instead of the AC > Wall unit and using an HP Network Analyzer shows that it is really not > worth the trouble. Yes there is an improvement from a purist point of > view but considering that the Touch or SB3 is still going to be the > weakest part of any expensive audio system it simply doesn't matter IE > again its not worth bothering. Then looking at a system where the Touch > isn't the weakest link in the audio path, it again doesn't matter > because it would be impossible to hear any difference if the Touch isn't > the weakest part because other equipment would either mask it or > outright cover it up. > > The solution to this supposed "Issue" is to simply buy a Transporter! > SB3 and Touch are for streaming high quality digital files on good > equipment. Transporter is for streaming high quality digital files on > great (audiophile) equipment. Thanks for the lecture. Too bad you don't have a clue what the product is or what it does. I you did, you wouldn't have written the above. GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. CAPS4 Pipeline w/Sonore PS running Windows 8/1 >Sonore microRendu>Mytek 192 DSD DAC>Schiit Freya Pre>Odyssey Kismet (Khartago case) Stereo Amp; Devore Gibbon 9 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car;SB Boom and SB Touch in additional rooms. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82648 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Hi- I uninstalled EDO (for some reason it stopped working in my setup, and re-installs of both SBS and EDO didn't help). But even though I uninstalled it from the Touch menus and did a factory reset of the Touch, I still get the announcement that EDO is running when the Touch boots up. How do I eliminate this and make sure all of EDO is removed? Thanks firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7 inch tablet to replace Touch ?
MichaelJ wrote: I'm confused. If you had a tablet would you not keep it at your side and use it as a remote? There would be no issue about reading the screen. As an example, I have an iPod touch by my listening chair. I use the Logitech app which works as a remote and allows me to scan my library and create playlists. A very small screen but it does the job. sure, a lot of the time. But there are times where I'm across the room, or have people over, and I'd like to be able to (a) see the screen; (b) read the screen and use the remote. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95752 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] 7 inch tablet to replace Touch ?
My only real complaint about the Touch is that the screen is too small to be useful once you get about 7 feet away. Anyone have an idea if a 7 inch tablet screen would be large enough to solve this problem? Or do I need to go up to a 10 inch to have the screen usable at 7-10 ft. distances? Thanks firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95752 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Triode wrote: EDO won't impact the formats supported (though may impact the speed they play at!) - what are you trying to play and what are the server log messages you get? I think this is a server problem rather than an EDO problem. Did the install again, now when I play an 192 flac SPDIF file it plays, but all I get is a rhythmic clicking noise. I can play the same file with other devices and my DAC. What kind of server problems are you referring to? I'm using Windows7. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Upgraded the Touch firmware (uninstalled EDO first). After upgrade reinstalled EDO. Now when I play a 192 track, I get unsupported format. The app seems to be installed, but does't work. Thanks firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
bigblackdog;689846 Wrote: I have in some cases 2-6 different versions of favourite albums. Have reached the opinion that mastering variation rather than resolution is where I find my aged ears can detect the 'better sound' This can be easily demonstrated with the beatles remasters comparing the 24 bit with the 16 bit releases. I.e. There is no audible difference on blind A/B listening. Except that I've consistently picked out the 24bit versions in blind testing. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, Grant Fidelity B-283MKII bufferClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 96kHz files outputting 48kHz?
LMS will downsample hi res tracks to the lowest common denominator of connected players. So if you are running a Touch and a Duet, it will downsample high res to 24/48 so that the Touch can play it. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, Grant Fidelity B-283MKII bufferClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92703 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] For those in the US - Squeezebox Touch for $195
xxdoy2anx Got this in an email from Logitech. Good through Dec 13. 20-30% off, depending on amount of puchase. For Touch, 30%. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] For those in the US - Squeezebox Touch for $195
791191repp - didn't work -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
agillis;675006 Wrote: Yeah the only way to do it now is to use VortexBox Player instead of an SBT. Using VBP gets you only the use of the SBS interface. VBP is the actual player. It will play 192 and other hi-res, but not gapless. So don't try listening to Abbey Road, DSOTM, or a lot of classical music in anything above 16/44 if you want gapless. To the actual question here, no. The Touch chip can do 192, but John Swenson has determined that the software/firmware etc isn't set up for anything above 96. There's not a simple tweak that can alter the situation. Don't look for that to change. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Ron Olsen;675120 Wrote: You can get gapless FLAC playback with VortexBox Player if you use MPD as the server instead of SBS/LMS. MPD can be controlled by MPaD (iPad), MPod (iPhone) and other client apps; see http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients. Ron, but isn't it true that even that way you don't get gapless playback of hi-res? Or have I been given bad information? -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Ron Olsen;675171 Wrote: I think using MPD as the server for VortexBox Player gives gapless playback of all FLAC files, regardless of resolution, but I can't verify this as I have no hi-res gapless FLAC albums with which to test. Andrew wrote this wiki page: http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=MPoD about using MPoD and MPaD which says they provide gapless FLAC playback through VortexBox Player, but he mentions nothing about hi-res here. Since hi-res playback is an intrinsic feature of VortexBox Player, I would assume that gapless playback of hi-res FLAC is supported in this context. If you have a hi-res gapless FLAC album, try it yourself and see if it works. I tried running VortexBox player from my SBT (VBP as chosen player from the Touch interface) - it did not run hi-res gapless. Every time it got to a gap it stopped playing. SBS itself does play them gapless. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can two Squeezebox Touches coexist on one network?
CraigB;674880 Wrote: Thanks for the information, everyone. Based on all the responses, I was all set to do it, until I saw Logitech had raised their sale price about $60 since I got the first one...guess I'll be waiting a little bit before adding a second unit to the family. Discounted Touch is regularly avialable on Amazon, ebay, or even from Logitech. Just saw it on Amazon for $227 and Best Buy for $230; check regularly and you will find one at much less than $299 list. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92068 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hard drive the Touch
davlee;673835 Wrote: I play WAV files from a portable hard drive via the USB port on the Touch. The hard drive has 500Gb of music files and this takes quite a while for an initial scan before they can be played. If I remove the Drive, the scan is required each time it is re-connected. If I leave it connected with the Touch on standby, the Drive stays on and is very slightly warm. Does this matter, or should I remove it and then go through the annoying scan on re-connection. I use the Touch to play the wav files about five times a week. Thanks, Dave On the other hand, you could just turn it on in the morning as part of your routine and turn it off again at night. Then it wouldn't be on all the time and still be ready to use when you need it. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91979 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
Since SBS 7.61 I get 100% volume as an option under audio settings for the Touch. It also appears in the Web GUI for SBS. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to play an ablum in TRACK ORDER ?
Or, you don't have numbering tags on your tracks and the tracks are being played in alphabetical order? Get the free mp3tag if you need to tag. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Volume Analyze - a touch odd.
Not with media monkey, but felt my tracks sounded very different with the tags applied. Also, I didn't think the volume leveling between tracks on a single album didn't sound good. Went back to fiddling with the volume. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91517 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Transition from SB Classic to Touch
When you run the Touch the first time,in setup it will identify your MSB account registered in the SBS-LMS software on your server, and ask you if you want to add the Touch to that account. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, ClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch 209.99 today (Mon 17th) on Logitech site
it's the 19th and the sale is still there -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, classDaudio SDS-470 amp; MF X-150 as pre-amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to update Touch firmware using SSH from command line?
written for the Duet controller, but can be applied to the Touch Firmware Update with SD Card Download firmware file /jive.bin/ to your PC from http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/7.0/jive.bin. This location is temporary and subject to change. /Note: depending on how you download this file, it may download to your machine as jive.bin.zip. If this happens, rename it to jive.bin (i.e. remove the .zip from the end of the name). Do not unzip the file before copying it to the SD card./ The SD card should be formatted with a partition table and a single FAT partition (should be the norm for SD cards). Recent firmware updates have improved SD compatibility significantly. See ControllerSDCards for a list of tested SD cards. Copy firmware image onto SD card. This must be a /file/ (not a folder) named /jive.bin/. /(See download note above.)/ Remove the battery door from the back of SqueezeboxController and remove the battery. At the top of the battery compartment is cutout shaped like an upside-down T. This is the SD card slot. Insert the card contacts-first and with the label facing up. Push it all the way in. The SD cards edge should be flush with the top lip of the battery compartment. Put the battery back into SqueezeboxController and close the door to the battery compartment. If the battery does not fit, then the SD card may not be pushed all the way in. Start up SqueezeboxController and select /Settings/ from the /Jive Home/ menu. Choose /Controller Settings/ from the /Settings/ menu. Scroll down the /Controller Settings/ menu and select /Advanced Settings/. Scroll down and select /Software Update/ from /Advanced Settings/. Select /Update from SD card/ from /Software Update/. If you do not see this option, then Jive can not see the SD card. This could possibly be due to an incompatible brand or size of SD card or the SD card does not contain a firmware image. If a message is displayed about the battery being low, place the SqueezeboxController into the battery charger and continue the firmware update. The firmware updates starts promptly once the /Update from SD card/ option is selected. This should take approximately 90 seconds to complete. If it appears to stop during this process, you can try again by removing and reinserting the battery. Once the update completes, Jive will automatically reboot. You can remove the SD card any time after the reboot begins. It may help to remove the SD card if you insert your fingernail into the indentation at the top of the SD card first. Firmware update via SSH No SD card required for this method. Enable remote access on Platform by turning on SSH via the menus: /Controller Settings Advanced Remote Login Enable SSH/. The root password and the IP address of the Platform are displayed. Keep the Platform on this screen as reference for the next steps. scp (or equivalent) the jive firmware to /mnt/mmc/jive.bin Follow steps 10-16 above from section /Firmware Update with SD Card/ above. Make sure to delete the jive.bin file from the /mnt/mmc directory. If you don't, the Platform may not successfully complete subsequent firmware updates. To do so, find out the root password again using step 2 above, log in as root, and delete the file. Firmware problems If you need to return your Squeezebox Controller to its factory default settings, there is a 'Factory Reset' option in Settings - Advanced - Factory Reset. If you need to turn your Squeezebox Controller off or reboot it, you can hold down the 'power/home' button for 4 seconds. If the firmware is badly locked up, holding down the 'power/home' button for 10 seconds will trigger a hardware power-off. Removing and replacing the battery also works, of course. If you have somehow upgraded to an unusable firmware, the Squeezebox Controller stores a copy of the previous firmware. You can revert to the previous firmware by holding the 'volume up' button while rebooting, either by removing and replacing the battery, or by the power off methods listed above. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, classDaudio SDS-470 amp; MF X-150 as pre-amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90554 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBT will not automatically connect to wireless network
With SB devices and networking, I've always found that setting up permanent IPs keyed to the MAC address of each device solves many problems, including ones like yours. Most routers have controller software (you view it in your browser) that lets you setup something like this. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, classDaudio SDS-470 amp; MF X-150 as pre-amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90388 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: Can�t access music library
Works fine. As an experiment, try using an SD card. If that works okay, it may indicate that the Touch has a problem with your model of USB drive. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, classDaudio SDS-470 amp; MF X-150 as pre-amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89851 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and built-in server and SBS on NAS
The internal server only kicks in if you have a USB stick or HD attached. If yo turn on the Touch with an NAS running SBS on your network, it will ask you about the server during setup. You can also look under settingsadvancedserver info on the Touch. Likewise there is no web (browser) interface on the Tiny SBS, so if you are running that, you won't have a web interface that controls what is happening on the Touch. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89681 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Giving up, so I ask you to help me starting again with something different
Experience with Tiny SBS and USB drives vary. I've tried mine with an iOmega external drive and it works fine, no special problems. But I also have a fanless ATOM based server running full SBS. Both it and the Touch are connected to a router by ethernet. I also have a Boom in another room on wireless. This works better than the USB based setup. In my opinion it sounds better (maybe due to noise from the USB HD wall wart PS), has more SBS features, scans the library MUCH faster, and gives access to the browser based interface, which is sometimes very useful. The setup you are describing should work fine. Sounds like you have the right idea. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89674 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
The Fixed Volume is now there in the SettingsAudio section of the Touch. But, when I click on it, it tells me that it needs to switch to mysqueezebox.com in order to make the change. How does that make sense? And in the Web GUI for 7.6, the fixed volume option doesn't appear. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBS Menus
Mnyb;642755 Wrote: What fw version are you using, it is there in the never fw versions,On the Touch itself Settings Audio Settings Fixed Volume. I'm just unsure on when it was introduced No, not on mine it isn't. And it hasn't been since I got he Touch - I think with 7.3. I'm now using the latest full release, 7.55, and most uptodate fw, 7594, r 9408, acc'd to my Touch. On mine the only way to fix volume at 100% is with the patch or with the Linux hack. AFAIK, they both do the same thing. There's been extensive discussion on this over at the Soundcheck mods thread. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87980 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB touch alternative projects
I've used an iOmega Prestige drive with no issues. From all the comments, it seems like some USB drives work well with the Touch, others don't. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88973 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
JJZolx;642433 Wrote: Are you talking about the Touch? When using SBS there is a setting under Settings Player Audio in the web interface to lock the volume at 100%. Not on my system there isn't. And there hasn't been one on any system I've used with the Touch. That's why there's a 3rd party patch and a linux hack for 100% volume lock. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] suddenly, no ethernet from touch
All of a sudden today, my Touch lost it's ability to see an ethernet network. I've tried: a)pulled electric plug from Touch and then plugged it back in b)factory reset - no help c)change ethernet cable - no help d)change router - problem remains All other functions seen to work, including wireless. Diagnostics of Touch say ethernet: not connected; when I ask the Touch to connect to the ethernet network, it says no ethernet network found. Whatever ethernet port I connect my Touch to on either router, the indicator light blinks instead of the Touch has stopped functioning. Okay, but this seems like an odd problem to occur all of a sudden. Any ideas on how to conclusively diagnose this and/or fix it? Thanks -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88622 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Anyone using an 'Anti Jitter box' between the SBT and the DAC?.........
Using my SBT slaved to a Pace-Car master clock/buffer. Sound is definitely improved versus standard Touch digital out to my DAC. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88486 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Switching to the linear power supply
soundcheck;636911 Wrote: Shoot -- we're listening!!! http://www.cincon.com.tw/products_2.html Have used a couple of these and IMO noise was reduced over stock switching supplies. Not saying linear supplies are pointless, just saying that the labels linear and switching don't necessarily denote quality or better sound. Sometimes linear ps is thrown around like any linear PS will be an audible upgrade. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88357 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBT with USB Hard Drive
Dead OS HD in my dedicated server. So I plugged in an iomega Prestige model USB HD that I'd filled with a backup of my music library. Works surprisingly well. Much better than my previous attempt at using a USB drive (WD drive installed in empty USB drive case). I miss a few plugins I had installed in SBS, and yes the Touch is less responsive (reacts more slowly) this way. I think the sound is also slightly harsher (maybe due to addition of USB drive wall wart PS to setup?). But overall I'm pleasantly surprised. I will fix my dedicated server and go back to using it; but I could live with this for a while if needed. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Switching to the linear power supply
The whole linear PS thing is a bit overblown. You can buy a quality switching PS with very fast switching that is just as good. Many audiophile components have switching supplies, it's not b/c they are being cheap or b/c it is an inferior technology. Like all things audio, it's not the technology, it's the implementation. There are crummy linear supplies, and good switching supplies. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88357 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox and Musepack
I'm using dbpoweramp to rip. It comes with Musepack 7 and that works in SB. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77532 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Player will not connect
Did you look at diagnostics? Does it say the relevant ports, players, wifi, ethernet etc are working? If other methods fail, try hard router reset (you will have to write your personal definitions into the router interface again), and also hard Touch reset (5 second press on reset button). These two will start you from scratch, and then if you can't connect you may have a hardware problem due to the power out. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87929 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] When is next gen Touch due?
kirkw1;632147 Wrote: HI i can see you know a lot about the touch maybe you can advise me on the follwoing i have a custom built pc designed as a media centre it has a wifi card in it and holds my music colection in Micorsoft media center in the house i have 1meg broad band i am looking to chose tracks from my media center using a device that can be located in the bar out side would the touch be able to do this or should i look else were . your advice would be gratefully received regards kirk The Touch will do this as long as the wireless signal to your bar is strong enough. You would need to load SB Software on your media center PC, the Touch won't directly interface with MMC. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87792 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
I have the patch installer installed on my Touch, but it doesn't see the patches - when I click on Patch Installer nothing happens. Do the patch istaller and volume patch work on sbs 7.54? -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - Backlight inconsistencies or how to keep it off?
Go to the thread or to the soundcheck site. You have to install his software mods and then activate the one that disables the screen. You can activate this one without activating any of the other mods. The screen disable is also reversible. http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DACV3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86454 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 unsupported sample rate on Touch
ben hudson;608632 Wrote: That was it! Works fine when the touch isn't synchronized with any SB3. Thanks a bunch for the help. That wasn't something I would have thought to check. It will also happpen even if the hi-res is on a server and : a)you decode files at the server (and not the player); and b)sync to a player that doesn't natively play hi-res. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85436 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Because we always hear that both Linux and OSX based boxes are better. Witness products like the Auraliti and Mach2Mini. In addition, lots of industry insiders/designers of computer based solutions prefer MAC and Linux (example: Gordon at Wavelength). -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Poll - Do you actually use the touch screen?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85129 Question: How Much do you use the touch screen? - Never - IR, Android/I-device or Web Gui. - I only use Touch Screen - Occasionally. - Half the time I use the touch screen. - More touch screen than anything else? My listening position is next to my kit, so I use the touch screen exclusively. I find the Touch's screen is too small to be useful from most normal listening distances anyway(10ft-3m); so if I couldn't sit close to the Touch I'd probably use an iPod Touch/iPad as the interface. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85129 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch As Pre-amp
mraub1;605443 Wrote: I'm new to digital audio, so pardon if this question sounds asinine. By all accounts on this board and others, the Touch's DAC is decent enough that most people can't distinguish its output from a much more expensive dedicated DAC. No, I don't think that's generally agreed on. I think it is generally agreed the the output of the Touch is comparable to that of modestly priced DACs. Some users think it equals the sound of more expensive DAC's. I have a decidedly mid-range DAC (MF-X-DACV3), for example, that I think significantly improves the sound coming from the Touch. Since the Touch has a volume control I can't I need any additional gear for a decent hifi system. What I can't determine is whether the analog Touch outputs will drive the amp hard enough for use with very inefficient speakers like the Magnepan's. The book that came with the touch had no specification of the maximum voltage the Touch can output from the analog jacks. Is driving the XPA-2 with the Touch's analog outputs going to work? Emotiva also sells a relatively inexpensive digital pre-amp, but I can't see buying if I don't need it. Thanks for any advice. The Touch has line-outs. Not the same as a pre-out. I think it's designed to be an input to a preamp line-in. I think you could have issues driving a power amp directly - among them the danger of blowing out your speakers. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85096 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch firmware update bricked unit?
Can someone direct me to instructions for doing this? Couldn't find them. I recall it was possible with the Duet Controller, so I assume it's possible for the Touch. Thanks -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81836 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
garym;604261 Wrote: I can't speak to the consensus, but plenty of smart people on this forum that know a lot more than me don't think that decoding on the server side vs Touch matters to the ultimate sound quality. Try it both ways and see what you think. It's just a couple of settings in SbS Settings File Types. But beware of the placebo effectif you can, get someone else to make the changes and listen a bit both ways so you are doing a blind test. For me, there is absolutely no difference in either my TOUCH or my TRANSPORTER. In general I'm in the camp that the soundcheck mods make a small but noticeable improvement - a little less hardness, a little more roundness to the sound. I'm guessing this is because of less RF interference. As far as the specific server side question: I don't notice a difference in SQ, but I do notice a difference in performance. Less delays, clicks, rebufferings, etc. Especially with 24/96 material. Not that there are a lot of problems when using the onboard decoding, just that they are more or less eliminated when switching to server side. That alone is a good enough reason for me to make the switch. There is one small downside to server side though. If you have an older SB player that doesn't native play hi-res, and play it synched to a Touch, the hi-res won't play over the synched player, as the server will output the native hi-res, and your lesser player won't be able to handle it. This doesn't happen when you decode onboard at each player. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
ste1;601174 Wrote: one thing that needs clarifying in your instructions is the copying to /root or /root/root in winscp as this can be confusing. I agree. The page does say it, but make it a little more explicit that logging in may require clicking up to the root directory. I missed that at first. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
the 2.0 mods are now downloadable: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html I unpacked the file in my Touch root directory, but the directions he gives for initializing the files (run commmand ttinit) in the root folder didn't work. I get not found. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
Hi- Running SBS 7.52, have 'recommended applets only turned off. 100% Volume Patch isn't listed anymore as one of the applets. Did something change? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
Klaus- Thanks - I tried again and it works. Cool program, especially the new features that let us check to see changes are working and to store the setup. As soon as I see everything works as it should, I'll make a contribution. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
at http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/p/squeezebox-touch-great-base-for-network.html he's says he will put the 2.0 revisions of his mods up on Jan 9. The 1.0 revisions were taken down. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any difference in sound ethernet vs wireless?
For me the signal is just more stable. Almost no dropouts or rebuffering. That isn't how it was when I was using wifi. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84414 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
iPhone;596625 Wrote: Now really, you don't think that if the actual builders of the device could improve things by simply changing the code that they won't?! Get real! If one wants to imagine that they hear a difference afterwords, then by all means software mod away if it makes one think they are getting more for their money or out of the unit. Except that in this case changing the code does things like turn off the wireless module, which is something the developers would never do. The developers are NOT trying to make the best sounding device they can. They are trying to include a certain feature set, hit a certain price point, and at the same time get a sound quality level that matches the MARKETING goals. By definition, they have to make compromises that affect ultimate SQ. The Touch was not designed for the best sound we can get. It was designed to get the best sound we can, while including all the features we need for a product with broad market appeal,and we have to hit the MSRP of $300 so the mass market will buy it. Conversely, many mods are done on the basis of lets go for better SQ, even if we lose one of the software or hardware features - because we don't care about those features. In an earlier discussion of these mods, someone wrote that they couldn't understand the point of a mod that turned off the screen of the Touch. Why buy the Touch, then?, they asked. But that mod could make sense for someone who has no intention of using the Touch screen in their setup, and sits too far from the Touch for the display to be useful. That person bought the Touch for its OTHER features, and the screen wasn't important to them. I modded my Touch in a way that eliminated the analogue out and replaced it with clocks/connectors to a master clock. Do I care? No, b/c I had no intention of using the Touch as anything other than a digital transport/user interface. Logitech would never make a mod like that, as it would limit their customer base to owners of external DACs and master clocks - a very small market segment. Does the mod improve the sound? Definitely. If you do care about those features, don't try the mods that eliminate them. If those features don't matter to you, consider giving the mods a try. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch mods from Soundcheck no more available
He says he's in favor of open source and doesn't wan't to commercialize his product. So what difference does it make if someone misuses his mods - That can be done with any open source software. If someone wants to steal it and misuse it, they can. If he was planning to charge for his mods I'd understand it, but unless he is, it seems like he is creating a problem for himself. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84061 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] A DAC for the SB
ralphpnj;595599 Wrote: Completely agree - very wise and sage advice. +1 But DAC Sound improvement is very subjective, and you may find the Touch is all you need. To seriously better it you need something above the level of the giant killer budget DACs. I have an MF X-DACV3, which IMO improves the sound. But others might not agree. You can often find one used online for a reasonable price. Maybe start with an Eastern Electric DAC ($750 MSRP). It's one of the value for money DACs on the market. Again, very worthwhile to try before you buy (or get return assurance from the dealer). If you have an audio club in your area you could probably arrange a test of the Touch with and without external DACs with members of the club. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83976 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
Ocean56;588946 Wrote: This is what I want to do when I get a Squeezebox... 1. Use an old PC to run the Squeezebox server. 2. Buy a large external HD to rip CDs to. 3. Also be able to stream Internet radio stations (I have wireless). 4. Play all of the above through my receiver. Can I do that? YES! One of the best things about setting up a dedicated music server PC is that you need very minimal hardware, so an old desktop or even a wimpy modern setup running Atom processors will work fine. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot Touch?
magiccarpetride;585056 Wrote: Thanks. This button press at the back of Touch is not considered intrusive? What's the difference between that hardware reset and a simply unplug/plug in again? Short (1 second) press on the button restarts the Touch. It's like telling your PC to restart instead of shutdown. Works fine. No harm to Touch or your settings. Long press will restart the Touch but will restore factory (default) settings. You can't really do it by mistake, you have to press the button for quite a while. Restoring the default settings can be very useful if you are having problems and don't know why. If you go back to default and everything works then you know your particular setup was the cause. I've also used it once or twice when the Touch got confused after I made changes to my network. It was easier to just run the default settings and set the Touch up again from scratch that it was to mess around with it and try to get it to work. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82871 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch owner - one problem
Blazer;587019 Wrote: I've had a Touch for a week, streaming FLAC files from my PC to my audio system. I have encountered one problem. four times now, the Touch continued playing but dropped all song data on the now playing screens. On any of the 5 now playing screens, it would not display the song title or album art. while playing, I could back up a see the tracks listed for that album, but when I return to the now playing screen there is no data. A re-boot is required to get that working again. Is this a common problem? Thanks Haven't encountered it. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83069 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue
I've done the software based mods, which involve shutting down extraneous parts of the Touch, and having Flac decoding done at the server level. Made a small improvement to the sound. Slightly cleaner and less noisy after. Not one of those you hear it immediately differences. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81346 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Positive Touch Review at TAS
http://www.avguide.com/review/logitech-squeezebox-touch-tas-206 Unlike Stereophile, relates mostly to Touch as digital source to DAC. Rates it as an inexpensive way to get audiophile quality sound,and even more so when using an external DAC. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82527 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen Responsiveness
Hi- I don't find it too responsive. Rather I find it too small for its intended use. On the more crowded screens (such as an album song list or playlist) it is easy to accidentally press the wrong line, as they are close together. Also the buttons like next and repeat on the Now Playing screen are too close together, and the wrong one is also often accidentally pressed. In addition, I think to really be useful from across a room (even about 3m), the screen needs to be significantly larger. All that said, since I sit close to the Touch at my listening position. I liked it enough that I sold my Duet controller, as it became clear to me that it had become just a paper weight. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82411 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] rebuffering constantly
I thought the problem was either the biography or album review plugins,as they were the newest. But as of today I've reactivated all of the previously running plugins and the problem hasn't re-appeared. The simplest thing to do would be for you to run SBS in safe mode. There's a check box for it in the SBS CPanel that you can access from the SBS system tray icon. If the problem doesn't appear in safe mode, then engage your plugins one by one and see if the rebuffering is a problem again. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; KRK Ergo, MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82197 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
erland;578923 Wrote: What does the heading in the Patch Installer menu look like. You should see Patch Installer (192.168.0.25) where the number or host name within parentheses is the computer that runs your Squeezebox Server. Is this the case ? Yes, but it says no patches found. I'm assuming now that this is because I loaded 7.6, and no patches are written for it? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] no BBC radio with new software r9009
bpa;577157 Wrote: I've been flipping between 7.6 and 7.5 and forget to reinstall the applet so I missed the menu. World service works ok for me using AAC but not WMA on the applet. Are you having problems with the AAC or WMA or both streams accessed using the applet BBC Radio menu, When I enable WMA streams, at least some of the stations I checked don't work under BBC Radio Listen Live Again, it seems to be a formatting issue, b/c there are links that work for me one time and don't work another. My iPlayer BBC World Service link that worked yesterday, isn't working now, but the BBC World Service Live Radio link mentioned above is. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81858 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wireless vs Ethernet. Any sound quality differences?
I agree in theory there should be no difference. When I was using a Duet and had only standard 16/44.1 files I used wireless and was perfectly happy. On the Touch I've switched to wired. Main reason is that there were problems on my system with some skips and too much (re)buffering, mainly with hi-res files. Since switching to wired about 99% of these problems have disappeared. YMMV - on my setup it made a difference. As far as sound quality, I think I hear a minor improvement with wired, but I may be imagining it. I'm not really interested in serious testing the respective SQs, as I'm staying with the wired for the reasons mentioned above. As a result I've also used the software mods to turn the wireless module off. Is it not true that the wireless module can produce noise that could slightly degrade the SQ? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82026 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] no BBC radio with new software r9009
I'm using an WHS NAS and the Touch. All I know is that immediately after the Touch software update to r9009, the problem appeared. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81858 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] no BBC radio with new software r9009
bpa;576670 Wrote: firedog, You seem to be using the Applet. What version have you installed ? Are you using mysb.com or a local SBS when playing with BBC Applet ? If local SBS what version of SBS ? I have the problem both with the Applet (I think it is version 1.2, if that makes sense)and also when trying to tune in through the stations listed in the Internet Radio menu in the interface I'm not using mySB.com, I'm using SBS 7.51 WHS on my music server (not the Touch Tiny SBS) Wow, as I'm writing this, I tried again. Now it is even weirder. I tried mysqueezebox.com and got the same error on all the stations I tried. But just for grins, I went and tried the Applet: it seems to work (BBC Radio and BBCi);but from the Internet Radio station menu on the Touch the BBC World Service results in the error. I'm thinking that maybe the error has something to do with the formatting of the stream - some seem to work for me and some don't. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81858 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] odd Touch behavior - why?
My Touch stopped displaying song timing information and stopped playing entire albums or playlists - just stopping after every song. Rebooted server with SBS and Touch behavior returned to normal. So some component of SBS must have crashed, but the server itself worked. I didn't make any changes in Touch settings. Can anyone explain this to me? Just curious. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81891 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] no BBC radio with new software r9009
Just updated Touch to 7.51 r9009 Now all attempts to tune in any BBC radio get error message unable to play file type for: spdr: //bbcmsparser ideas? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81858 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
R Johnson;572099 Wrote: Thanks! Very noticeable difference graphically. Would it be audibly noticeable to me? Still to be determined... BTW, what software have you used? Any suggestions for free / low cost software to do this sort of analysis? try this: http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ does a good visual graphic representation of frequencies in the files. As far as audacity, I've come across a couple of hi-res tracks it couldn't read correctly and apparently gave a false result. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue
ralphpnj;572013 Wrote: This is exactly my point: When reviewed by either Stereophile or TAS just about all of Logitech's networked music players have gotten very positive reviews and sometimes even more such as a listing in the Recommended Component Section but nonetheless music streaming and computer based digital audio are more often than not treated as an interesting divergence rather than a serious means of obtaining truly high end sound. I don't think this is exactly accurate. TAS has given quite a bit of space recently to digital audio, especially USB playback. Of course, they tend to focus on the very high end equipment - DACs costing $3000 and up, and Amarra, but I think they have come to regard digital streaming as a serious means of obtaining high end sound - especially when we talk about files of 96K res and above. There are at least a couple of regular reviewers there who are proponents of digital audio. Steven Stone and Neil Gader have both been quite positive about digital audio in many cases, and definitely do regard it as true high-end. At Stereophile, even Michael Fremmer, who's a big analogue proponent (not anti-digital) just reviewed software for digitizing LP's and recommended it's use, saying the 24/192 recordings he produced were of such good quality that he wouldn't have a problem listening to them on a regular basis, and that the use of software to apply the RIAA curve gave superior results to that of phono preamp circuitry. Of course he was also using expensive software and a phono preamp costing thousands, but that's his normal mode. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81346 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch, compared to Classic, PS and portable HD
Dura, give the Touch some time. Our brains get used to a certain sound, and when we change a component we often (subconsciously) don't like the sound b/c it is different, and our reference sound is the sound we are used to. Try listening only to the Touch for a few weeks, and then compare to the SB3. You may find that you prefer the Touch sound once it becomes familiar. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81296 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue
I've read several somewhat negative reviews of the Touch by reviewers who didn't know about it's hi-res capabilities or its built in SBS (no external server necessary) - in other words, they missed the point of the device. So it will be refreshing to read a review in Stereophile, as they should be focussed on the Touch as an audio device. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81346 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
pdawg17;569425 Wrote: What's wrong with using wireless? Does it actually make the audio sound worse (downsampling?) or is it just the fact that more power is being used to support wifi and in turn that makes the audio sound worse? Nothing wrong with using wireless. If that's what works best for you or is most convenient, then use it. The mods discussed here are audiophile mods designed for those who want to get the last little bit of sound quality out of the Touch. Wireless? Some users report more hiccups when playing back over wireless, especially with hi-res files, and therefore prefer wired. One of the mods discussed here involves hacking the Touch so that the wireless module is turned off when the Touch boots up. Reason? For those using ethernet (wired) the wireless is superfluous anyway, and the wireless module creates some noise when it is on that can degrade the signal (Sound Quality). How much is SQ degraded? That depends on your ears and your system. Some users think shutting off the wireless noticeably improves the sound, others think it makes no difference. YMMV. If you want to use wireless b/c of personal preference or placement issues - the mod isn't for you, don't concern yourself with it. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
Hi- Did soundchecks mods and everything worked fine. Today I had to reset the Touch b/c of network problems. So I reinstalled his mods, and set the proper file settings for flac as pcm. Now, whenever I try to play a 96k file, I get an error message that it is an unsupported sample rate; standard res files play fine. What could the problem be? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
Yes, I don't have any files above 96k on my server -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Detailed Touch specs?
For instance, what's the output voltage? I'm interested in comparing to other units such as CD players. Thanks -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81040 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Detailed Touch specs?
Can't find them anywhere, forum search or web search or Logitech site. I'm usually pretty good at tracking info like this down. Anyone have a link to a detailed spec sheet? Sorry if I missed the obvious. Thanks -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81040 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Detailed Touch specs?
Yes, obviously I saw that page. I'm looking for more detail: things like output voltages of the player, clock details, etc. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81040 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
When I look for the app,I see one by Peter to lock volume, but not one called fix volume at 100% What am I missing? (and yes, I removed the check on supported plugins only). Thanks -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
RGibran;564026 Wrote: No one is trying to scam anyone. If they feel it's a better product, then the public has to make that decision wheter to purchase or not. Actually, that's not true. The problem is that the material was marketed as hi-res (24/88 or 96) that wasn't upsampled. Consumers can't make an informed decision without the basic info needed for that decision. Bruce is just the technician in the pipeline, so I don't know what his responsibility here is. Was he doing what he was told? Or was he ever told to report on material that wasn't true hi-res, or even to check if it was hi-res or not? HD Tracks till this point is apparently claiming that they were unaware that they were receiving upsampled material. They don't appear to be the only ones in the industry that were unaware that SACD was routinely made from upsampled 24/44.1. And the record labels were apparently very happy to charge premium prices to consumers without revealing the type of source material the SACD came from. That's obviously a scam, as they knew that the public would assume the material was from a superior hi-res source, and they cultivated this assumption. Note that earlier in the thread the question wasn't are SACD's hi-res, but are they being converted using upsampling or not? HD Tracks willingness to remove this material from their web site seems to back up their claim to have been duped; however, until they start giving at least partial credit or refunds for this material (which they claim they will), there remains a question about their involvement. Certainly from this point on they have no excuse for such material appearing on their site, unless they add info to the site that material may be upsampled from 24/44.1. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;563721 Wrote: Here is what the poster firedog who has done a lot of criticizing of my consumer protection efforts here on the slim forums had to say on a different websites forum: So HDTracks got duped. Doesn't really bother me, except that I think they should notify everyone who downloaded the tracks in question (they have acc't info on record) and offer a partial refund or credit towards next purchase. To simply take the tracks off the site and expect visitors to a)notice; and b)then ask for a refund, is unrealistic. Simply a way for them to get away without compensating the customers. http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=81861.0 I guess firedog is a closet fan of mine after all ! And the scandal grows and grows !!! No, I'm not a fan, and I'd appreciate it if you'd not put words in my mouth. I still think the evidence on the thread shows that most of your long winded posts were based on incorrect technical and legal assumptions on your part, brought about by a)ignorance; and b)jumping to conclusions without checking facts. The fact that HD Tracks got duped has no relevance to most of the material you have written on the thread. And as they claimed from the start, they won't knowingly place uploaded material on their site. My above criticism of them regarding refunds still stands. That's a separate issue. I just don't like the corporate practice of refunding money or rebates b/c we all know it is a way not to actually refund anything in many cases. Long experience shows that such a system results in a very low payout. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Audiophile Touch mods - take two
Let's see: I have no intention of using the USB or SD features,as I run music from a dedicated SBS server. I generally only use the digital out of the Touch, as I've got an external DAC. My Touch is close enough to my router that I have no problem connecting wired, and I think wired gives better performance anyway. I don't plan on disconnecting the screen. But if the software mods improve the sound, why not? For me the point of the Touch is to give me high quality native decoding of hi-res from a music server, and give me the user interface (including browser interface). That's what I need. YMMV. The hiface is probably a great product. But to use it instead of the Touch you need a DAC, and some kind of user interface so that you can acutally play the music. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80013 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I've downloaded some classical and jazz tracks recently and been very happy with the sound. This may be because they aren't volume compressed anyway, unlike pop music. Example: 24/96 Concerto for Orchestra from the Everest Label. Lots of dynamics. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;555951 Wrote: Puget Sound Studios claims that it captures a pure unencrypted DSD data stream from the Playback Designs Music Playback System 5 (MPS-5) SACD transport machine to do the conversion from SACD discs to create the downloadable files being sold by HDTracks. Is that possible? ... Andreas stated that, yes, a pure unencrypted DSD data stream can be captured from the Playback Designs transport. 17.98-11.98=6 6/11.98= 50% premium or $6. higher price Is it worth it to pay 50% more for the same music allegedly encoded at higher fidelity when the facts are that the more expensive downloads master file was not an original recording at the alleged higher spec but was instead a conversion from an SACD, not even a copy of an SACD? Mortslim- 1. Where's your apology for wasting our time on this? Finally, after all your numerous posts purporting to present the truth, all the legal,and all the ethical aspects...it turns out you were misinformed the whole time. The lesson: try getting the facts before you make all sorts of assumptions, esepecially in an area in which you don't have expertise. 2. And even after knowing you were wrong in the first place, you can't leave it alone. Stop beating a dead horse! This and other forums have established that HDTracks makes a good faith effort to provide authentic hi-res files, and has said they will give refunds is a track turns out not to be. We're all capable of deciding if the hi-res tracks are worth the money to us or not. We don't need your help. I'm sure, once again, you'll keep the thread going, because this seems to have developed into an odd obsession with you. It has for me too - an obsessive desire to stop receiving email updates with the nonsense you continually post on this thread. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why does (digital out) sound quality differ between Touch and Duet?
SuperQ;553493 Wrote: My vote is it's all in their head. There is a theoretical audibility of clock jitter (which is improved in the Touch). But nobody has been able to demonstrate this in any repeatable way that I'm aware of. It would be really interesting to put a Touch and a Duet in your system and use Audio DiffMaker (http://www.libinst.com/Audio%20DiffMaker.htm) to measure the analog output of your DACmagic. In theory there may be some difference, but DiffMaker will prove it. Not true. Lots of experienced listeners can identify low levels of jitter. I've personally been tested in a blind test and successfully identified levels of jitter between 15-30ns. I know of others who can identify differences even around 10ns. Differences of 100ns, which some people consider low, was easily identifiable, both by me and others. 2 Caveats: a)you need to know what to listen for, and be an experienced critical listener. Just like with many types of perception based comparisons, experience (I'd call it training your brain to properly interpret what you are hearing/seeing)makes a difference. b)a highly resolving system is also needed. On many systems the difference in SQ between identical tracks with different low levels of jitter won't be apparent. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79500 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch review - WeGotServed
spile;552453 Wrote: What is the process for upgrading the Logitech server software on a WHS? Is it a process of uninstalling the plugin and manually downloading and installing the upgrade from the console? The WHS version of SBS adds an SBS panel to your WHS Console interface. On a WHS machine you uninstall the previous SBS version from your ADD-IN panel, and then install the new SBS as an ADD-IN component through the WHS console. This gives you the ability to access the SBS interface setup for the WHS console. However, you can just do a normal Windows install of non WHS versions of SBS on a WHS machine. The difference between this and a WHS install is that you don't have the SBS panel in the WHS console. But functionally, both versions of SBS will run fine on a WHS machine. And the SBS panel in the WHS console doesn't really do much for you. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79356 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
Thanks a million. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to lock audio output at 100% (I think)
Hi, I somehow don't get it. How do I install the patch installer? And where do I find the actual audio 100% patch so that the patch installer can install it? Thanks, Danny -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77837 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
the consequences. They are welcome to do so. I'm very happy to let a gigantic international conglomerate like Sony fight its own battles. They have hundreds of lawyers. Don't feel like I have to help them. If the DRMA is being violated here (and I don't know that it is), I'm very happy to buy the result. I can enjoy the tracks while the companies involved can deal with the issues or sue each other as they please. If the tracks are illegal, they'll get taken off the market and then I won't have further access. End of story. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
RGibran;546959 Wrote: Just as SACD and DVD-A have all but been abandoned, so too will Hi-Res in whatever formats if the peddlers of such dont step up and do the right thing and fully disclose the pertinent details of their products offerings. This trust your ears thing will backfire on them if they keep up their current marketing model. Even audiophools will eventually stop putting their hands in the fire if they keep getting burned. The new 24/96 Diana Krall Quiet Nights offering from HD Tracks is a night and day difference from the CD but NOT in a good way, IMHO! Hi-res is no different than any other format. It can be well done and sound good, giving value over 16/44; or it can be badly executed and be a rip off. However, I do agree that if the rip-off tracks are too prevalent, the format will die. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Just as SACD's don't always sound better than CD's, you never can be sure that a hi-res file will sound better than a CD - even if it is true hi-res. It depends on lots of factors. I haven't listened to a lot of hi-res files, but I have heard noticeable (not spectacular) improvements from 16/44 versions of same music with the ones I have. I'd say it's worth it if you have a very good setup; probably not if you don't. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
R Johnson;538597 Wrote: I have now have a Touch, the CSO Resound recording of the Bruckner 7th Symphony (conducted by Haitink) as a 16/44.1 CD and as a 24/88.2 download from HDtracks. I guess it's time to learn what difference(s) I can discern. My understanding is that the Touch doesn't have a native setup for 24/88 files, so it will have to resample the file in SBS/sox (or have it done by SBS/sox on an external server) in order to play it. If I'm wrong about this, Phil or someone else chime in. If I'm right, to make a true comparison, you'd have to stick to 16/44.1 or 24/96 files. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Mnyb;538011 Wrote: On topic, follow the discussions on the forumsre 24/96 performance issues, how this resolves would surely set the bar for how and if it's possible to hack Touch to yield 24/192. I suppose wired connection would be required. Unsure if it has cpu for anything but pcm at this rate. Would it be required to run your own server ? Topic of Touch 192 has been discussed elsewhere. Do a search. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;532596 Wrote: Actually, this seems to suggest that rather than the analog output of the transport, the digital output is being used (which per the specs of the transport is 16bits / 44.1kHz) Am I missing something here? Apparently yes. Both Bruce and HDTracks have categorically denied your claims/interpretation. And said there is material in the tracks, above 22k (i.e., proof of source). In an earlier response to me, HDTracks said they do not upsample, and claimed they will remove from their site hi-res tracks they find to be upsampled. We now have an example where this seems to be true - they deleted suspicious files from their catalogue, pending review. To my way of thinking, any more back and forth about HDTracks is rather pointless, unless someone comes up with proof (not interpretation) that they are selling tracks as 24/88 or 24/96 that are upsampled. And if you do, you should alert them, as they've shown they are willing to do the right thing. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Thanks -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, MF V DAC3, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] anyway to control touch from remote pc?
snarlydwarf;530420 Wrote: and of course if you are using an SBS install that is -not- on the Touch, you can as always use a web browser to control that, which will control the Touch. ie, the 'no webUI' only applies to when you plug media into the Touch and use the Touch's own server. So no web ui applies to media found on a usb drive directly connected to the Touch and also on an inserted card? Workaround: could I install SS on the laptop, and tell it the music files are found on an NAS (i.e, the music files are on the NAS and not on the laptop with the full SS install), define the Touch the same way (music folder is NAS), and then control the touch from the web interface on the Laptop? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, Devore Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76831 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] anyway to control touch from remote pc?
I understand the touch doesn't have the web ui included as a feature. So there is no way to control the Touch wirelessly from a remote PC such as a laptop? I'm asking b/c I'd like the 24/96 capability, but play music without being close enough to touch the Touch? Not talking about ipeng here, I'm talking about control from a remote PC. Would there be a remote desktop that could work with the touch? -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, Devore Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76831 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why Purchase a Touch??
I have a purpose built music server, which I will continue to use when I get a Touch - the touch will just be the interface. Advantages of server over Touch + USB drive: 1. Don't like USB drives - prefer internal drives. I can upgrade internal drive to larger or SSD drive as needed. 2. My server is fanless and virtually silent. Purpose setup as music server. 3. My server is not particularly powerful (ATOM 330 + 2GB RAM) but it performs flawlessly with all types of files and hi-res. Better than any USB external drive. Gives wired and wireless capability, File transfer, tagging and other functions are faster. Integration with home network is better than with external USB drive. 4. Windows based, so it gives me compatibility with lots of existing software and lots of flexibility in terms of installing any program I want on the server, etc. 5. If I decide to change operating system, dump the Squeezebox system, or go to VortexBox software, no problem: I just convert server to setup I want. 6. I also have my server setup to automatically rip bit perfect copies of CDs and tag them on insertion to drive (like VortexBox). 7. I have enough storage capacity on server to act as Backup for my main (non music server), and to do double backup of my ripped music files on second hard drive. None of these reasons may appeal to you, but for me they they make music server superior to Touch plus external HDD. However, I think the Touch and an external HD are a very good solution in general, and certainly more economical than the method I've chosen. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-150 amp, Devore Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76721 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;525387 Wrote: Has anyone who thinks he needs a higher sample rate for supposedly better quality sound ever stopped to think that even if your sample rate wasnt 192 kHz but instead as high as 24 bit/10,000 kHz, your home hifi system is still never going to get anywhere near the same quality sound as sitting in the audience at a classical concert? new orchestra hall is a $100 million proposition Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Concert Hall Acoustics http://www.angelfire.com/music2/davidbundler/acoustics.html And do the audiophiles also realize that no instrument that requires electricity (e.g. guitar, electronic keyboard, electronic drum kit, electric organ like the B-3, in other words all the instruments used to produce 95% of all music available today) dont have any better specs than 24 bit/48 kHz? (the only exception is software synths that sometimes go higher) Mortslim- We get it - you think hi-res files are a waste of time. Fine. Stop beating us over the head with it. BTW, your two citations are irrelevant. I don't listen to a full scale live symphony orchestra at home, and if I could fit them into my 175sq ft listening area it wouldn't sound good - especially live. At home I listen to recorded music being reproduced for me, in my particlular home environment. I don't care what the original quality of the sound is or where it was recorded. Whatever the original is, I want the best reproduction of it I can get and afford. Have you ever wondered why studios may spend multiple thousands of dollars transferring analogue tapes to 192/24? Acc'd to your reasoning, they should never work at anything above 24/48; funny how they waste their time and money using 24/192. Funny how lots of professional musicians and recording people I've talked to enjoy hi-res production and say it sounds more like the real thing. And so what if I listen to a recording that's 95% produced at a level of 24/48? I want superior reproduction of the other 5% also. I admit, I haven't heard a lot of recorded music with res above 24/96; so maybe super his-res is a waste of time. But I know professionals in the field who love their 176k playback - and maybe they do hear something worth listening to. Cite all the articles you want, it doesn't matter - the ear test is what matters. If you had been on this forum in the early 1980's, you would have been the person telling us about all the science behind CDs and how their reproduction is perfect - and you would have had articles to back you up. Of course those that claimed that back then were wrong, they just didn't know enough about either digital recording, reproduction, and psycho-acoustics. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; TACT 2.2XP with MauiMods; MF X-150 amp, Devore Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I wrote HD Tracks asking whether their hi-res 24/88 and 24/96 files are true hi-res or not. Here is the answer: Thank you for your email. Regarding our high resolution 96/24 and 88.2/24 files (these are indicated with red text either below or above the album cover art that reads Audiophile 88khz/24bit or Audiophile 96khz/24bit), they are taken directly from the studio masters (either digital or analogue tape) or direct from the DSD stream of the SACD. They are all native high resolution recordings and are not up sampled. If we find out that any of these albums are not native high resolution, they are immediately taken off our site. This obviously doesn't apply to the tracks that aren't labelled high resolution. I think this is a pretty good answer. The main point is that they aren't upsampling low resolution digital sources. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; TACT 2.2XP; MF X-150 amp, Sonus Faber Concerto; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
