Re: [Trisquel-users] New Abrowser/Firefox extension for faster searches - Ecphoneme
В 14:58 +0200 на 13.10.2014 (пн), ra...@riseup.net написа: You can achieve similar functionality by assigning keywords to search engines True, but that means that I will need a search engine extension for every site I want. Not all websites have such search engine extension, although it is not hard to write one. This is mainly educational project for me - learning Mozilla addon SDK while creating something useful for my habits. :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Trisquel-users] New Abrowser/Firefox extension for faster searches - Ecphoneme
Hey free software users, I'm proud to announce my first Abrowser/Firefox add-on - Ecphoneme. It was inspired by DuckDuckGo !bang commands. It allows you to search websites directly with few extra keywords, but without DuckDuckGo. For example: !sp search with startpage !spi search startpage images !d search with duckduckgo !w search wikipedia and so no. For a first release it supports a limited amount of websites that I (might) use, but part of the roadmap for the next releases is to add more websites. It is of course free software licensed under the terms of the GNU Affero GPL version 3 or later. As usual, any feedback is welcomed. [1] http://e-valkov.org/ecphoneme signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fix for the GNU Bash shellshock vulnerability
В 10:23 +0200 на 26.09.2014 (пт), tob...@platen-software.de написа: When will updates be avialable for the following bug, that I can install on Trisquel? There is a bug report in Trisquel. [1] Version 6.0 is already patched, although someone on the IRC channel said this is a partial patch and more are expected. [1] http://trisquel.info/en/issues/12447 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Diaspora*
В 01:57 +0200 на 04.09.2014 (чт), [nos...@spam.yourself.inste.ad] написа: hi Are Here Any person Have an account on Diaspora*?? I'm not on Diaspora* yet, but it is in my TODO list as part of a grander scheme. Don't know when it will happen You can find me on pump.io: valkov at identi dot ca. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's magic
В 13:07 +0200 на 15.04.2014 (вт), franpa...@openmailbox.org написа: For some reason, vlc and totem plugins do not work well under linterna but, in the other hand, their functionality is correct as standalone. Could you please file a bug report for Linterna Mágica with detailed information what is not working? The only control I have over plugins is to start a clip and use their JavaScript API for the web buttons. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's magic
В 17:56 +0200 на 14.04.2014 (пн), franpa...@openmailbox.org написа: -Linterna mágica does not work well on firefox and iceweasel but does on Abrowser flawlessly. Why is that? I'm running Trisquel and Abrowser myself and I am developing Linterna Mágica with that. If I spot issues, I spot them on what I have and I fix them. For the rest I rely on bug reports. Probably nobody filed issues about Firefox and Iceweasel. At work I have a copy of Firefox which has some issues on YouTube with Linterna Magica, but I never have the time to investigate and possibly fix them. Theoretically Firefox and Iceweasel should work and behave like Abrowser. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] MediaGoblin campaign
В 01:13 +0200 на 15.04.2014 (вт), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: I don't understand on how they need $200,000 to build MediaGoblin. Where is all that money going? Free software does not necessary mean no cost and gratis. The fact that there are developers that work in their spare (hm, hm spare) time does not mean that free software should be developed only that way. Free software is not free of cost. Free software developers dedicating their time entirely on free software development must be supported financially. They have to pay their bills after all. There are several sub projects in MediaGoblin in this campaign that would take some time to be analyzed, implemented, tested and bug-fixed. That takes time during which the developers would need money to live. Some of the tasks are complex matter. time * payment = total amount for living Some of the big projects have financial support that is just not so obvious. I don't get it why proprietary software can cost a lot of money while when such an important free software project makes a campaign and will probably will prove how the money were spent, some people start to ask questions. Free software in general must be supported financially. There is nothing wrong with that and is not in against the concept of free software. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 22:34 +0100 на 29.03.2014 (сб), ch...@thinkpenguin.com написа: Free software and internet freedom campaigns for instance. Something that would tie into efforts to promote freedom online. There are so many people who just don't follow the news. I've been thinking exactly about that lately. We are on the same page! :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 02:44:58AM +0100, ch...@thinkpenguin.com wrote: I didn't notice the campaign in time :( as I've been so busy. I would have loved to get a shirt. I'll just have to do without I guess. None the less I'll still throw in a little over $200 USD equivalent in bitcoins as a donation. You should see it shortly. Wow! Thanks Chris! I'm glad to see a less-obvious project make an effort to raise funds for itself. I know it is especially difficult to do when your users don't normally even download or visit. There are so many projects that get forgotten because the codes distributed as part of a distribution and the user never has to visit the projects site. There just isn't an opportunity to seek donations from the user base. That is generaly true, but I don't think it is the case with Linterna Magica. I'm not aware of any distribution that has it in its repositories. I think it would be great if (particularly with a bigger distribution) some of the larger distributions were more proactive in requesting funds on behalf of non-obvious projects like Linterna Mágica. I think we (ThinkPenguin) need to investigate being more proactive in seeking donations on behalf of projects that need funding. That is a great idea. If you need any assistance in that direction I would be glad to help (for any project).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 12:43 +0200 на 03.03.2014 (пн), Ivaylo Valkov написа: В 11:30 +0100 на 03.03.2014 (пн), shiretoko[@nospam] написа: Wow, congratulations! But what happened here?? The counter increased from one tshirt to 20 overnight. Did you promote the campaign on a big website or something? The Linterna Mágica T-Shirts campaign is over. Thanks to a Reddit (and probably Linterna Mágica as well) user, we met our goal at the second or the third day of the campaign. Although only the base goal was reached the campaign is successful. Thank you! We decided to use the money from the T-shirts campaign and the donations relevant to it, to fund a new interesting and exiting project related to free software. Stay tuned! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Raspberry pi makes one step towards freedom
В 00:10 +0100 на 10.03.2014 (пн), gra...@openmailbox.org написа: unable to boot without the proprietary driver. The Raspberry Pi requires nonfree software to start up. As I've said already, I'm perfectly aware of all this. That is why I've wrote to the FSF about the attempt to reverse engineer the GPU. That program appears to implement intentional restrictions, such as blocking the video decoding hardware for MPEG-2 and VC-1 in the absence of a key that is specific to the machine in hand. That is (was?) proprietary software. It is not a news that it has restrictions. That is absolutely normal for proprietary software. The real problem is the boot process and the OS running on the GPU. The GPU has access to the memory of the CPU. The hardware decoding is a feature that is not critical. Now with the code available I think all this is fixable. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Raspberry pi makes one step towards freedom
В 21:18 +0100 на 11.03.2014 (вт), gramex[@nospam] написа: That post was for ivaylo. I'm perfectly aware that the Raspberry PI was not usable and practically still isn't with free software only. I wrote [1] [2] to the FSF around January that some people attempt to reverse engineer the GPU and that it might help the high priority project they have on the topic. About a month later the FSF responded with a link to the Raspberry PI page and informed me for the release of the code. The text on the Raspberry PI page was posted about and hour before I've read it. So I'm probably one of the first to know about the release of the code. We were discussing the potential use of the Raspberry PI entirely with free software, now when the code is released. [1] https://identi.ca/valkov/note/B4x_ictKTTSirGr5JQ_8rA [2] https://identi.ca/valkov/note/8vfpgLheQqGWEA6MpsfmEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Raspberry pi makes one step towards freedom
В 22:57 +0100 на 11.03.2014 (вт), gra...@openmailbox.org написа: Okay! I couldn't tell that from your post. :) Well, the post was about the (potential) liberation of the Raspberry PI, at least the future usage with free software should have been obvious. :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Telegram IM Client
В 00:53 +0100 на 10.03.2014 (пн), danieldelaho...@gmail.com написа: Interesting alternative to WhatsApp, Viber and FB Messenger, Telegram is for smartphones and desktops. Its software is GPL licenced. I think many smartphone users will consider switching now since Facebook has bought WhatsApp: https://telegram.org/ There are few downsides that might make the project unsuccessful. Sadly it does not have federation yet, and it is not clear is it going to have. [1] The project is relatively new (August 2013) [2] and uses custom protocol [3] that still has to prove itself. They had a contest to prove it is secure. [4] The reward was $200,000 in Bitcoins for the one who breaks the encryption. No winners. I personally will monitor their progress with great interest. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#q-can-i-run-telegram-using-my-own-server [2] https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-old-is-telegram [3] https://core.telegram.org/techfaq#q-why-did-you-go-for-a-custom-protocol [4] https://telegram.org/crypto_contest signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] New on Trisquel: how to see live videos and chatting on sites
В 23:39 +0100 на 09.03.2014 (нд), sonhodafloresta[@nospam] написа: And by the way, it is possible to change my nickname I don't think it is possible. I've been looking for this myself for some time. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] is Trisquel's dictionary saass?
В 00:27 +0100 на 10.03.2014 (пн), adel.af...@gmail.com написа: It doesn't seem to work offline; I think that it checks a server for definitons. Or I haven't figured out how to use it properly/as software (strong possibility). I'm guessing this is about the gnome-dictionary client. The client uses the standard Internet protocol DICT. [1][2] Trisquel has a service/daemon/server software in its repositories for the protocol. It is called dictd. [3] There are also dictionaries [4] that should be used with the local server. The local server must be available in the client and selected as default – Edit/Preferences. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dict [2] http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict [3] aptitude show dictd [4] aptitude search ^dict- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] youtube playlist not working
В 14:59 +0100 на 09.03.2014 (нд), davesam...@gmail.com написа: Try the viewtube Greasemonkey script. Unfortunatey though you'll have to scroll down the playlist manually... Or try Linterna Mágica which has integration for YouTube playlists - they should play automatically in shuffle or normal mode if the YouTube buttons for that are present. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Special characters, for libreoffice, easy way to insert?
В 20:52 +0100 на 09.03.2014 (нд), arielxgbarton[@nospam] написа: For school, I sometimes have to do french homeworks, which obviously involve accents. [...] Is there a feature for this sort of thing in Libreoffice, or does anyone know of a plugin which does the same thing? GNOME and Xorg have support for such things. You have to set keys for third and fifth level. These keys while held give access to additional characters available on some keyboards. In many cases those are accents. Go to System settings (gnome-control-center) and choose Keyboard Layout. On the Layout tabs, there is a Options button. What you need is located in Key to choose 3rd layout and Key to choose 5th layout. The accents should be visible on your physical keyboard, but you can use the tiny keyboard on the Layouts tab to see where the accents are. To insert accents with the keys for third and fifth lever, hold the key for the desired level and then press the key with the accent. To add more accents release all keys and repeat the procedure. That's it! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 20:49 +0100 на 02.03.2014 (нд), fernando.negro[@nospam] написа: I've made a small donation last night. Thanks! It's: much better than to order a t-shirt that I won't use (I'm not much a fan of letting strange people know my personal tastes, any more); I can totally understand and relate to that. Having different and non-mainstream point of view and opinion is hard, promoting in publicly is even harder. a way to save a lot of money, that I would spend on an international delivery; Yes, that is a downside, but we had no better way to try such campaign. and a way for the Linterna Mágica project to get all the money - or almost all, since I suspect that PayPal takes a fee... It gets. :) It's a great project. Congratulations to everyone involved in the project. Thanks again. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 09:34 +0100 на 03.03.2014 (пн), franparpe@[nospam] написа: Congratulations, you reached the goal. True. You are the bearer of the good news. I haven't checked the campaign today until now. Thanks to everyone who participated! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 10:42 +0200 на 03.03.2014 (пн), Ivaylo Valkov написа: В 09:34 +0100 на 03.03.2014 (пн), franparpe@[nospam] написа: Congratulations, you reached the goal. Thanks to everyone who participated! The campaign ends at the 20th of March. We met our base goal. How further can we get? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Cloud based sync system/software
В 21:56 +0100 на 02.03.2014 (нд), oshirowanen[@nospam] написа: I know this topic has been discussed before, but I haven't found an answer yet. It's possible that the answer has been provided, but I didn't read every single thread. I am basically looking for a way to sync my files between my computers without running my own server. Probably more than a simple sync, but still. I'll recommend duply + duplicity. The first is a bash script wrapper around the second, meant for easy configuration and automation with cron. The second is the actual beast. :) It supports different backends (ssh, sftp, rsyn, ftp .. etc). Encryption is supported with with GNU Privacy guard, it has incremental and full backups, can be fully automated and has support the storage some big companies provide as a backend. The GUI backup tool Déjà Dup in Trisquel uses duplicity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 11:30 +0100 на 03.03.2014 (пн), shiret...@web.de написа: Wow, congratulations! But what happened here?? The counter increased from one tshirt to 20 overnight. Did you promote the campaign on a big website or something? It was a surprise for us too. An announcement for the campaign was posted on Reddit on multiple categories. I just discovered that someone else also posted on Reddit with much better title than ours. That thread received more comments and probably attention. I'm guessing this thread is the cause for the success. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Raspberry pi makes one step towards freedom
В 12:29 +0100 на 02.03.2014 (нд), shiret...@web.de написа: Good news, I guess: I'll call it great. :) easy since it has an exotic cpu architecture, so you can't just install debian. The Raspberry PI itself is usable with Debian without floating point hardware, because the port (Debian armhf) that supports this is based on later version of the ARM specification. It is supported by the armel port, but floating point operations are slow. The official distribution of the Raspberry PI is Debian based and is compiled out of the armhf port with support for the Raspberry PI architecture, has packaged from experimental, behaves differently than Debian on upgrades and by default includes non-free software. [1] [1] https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Raspberry pi makes one step towards freedom
В 13:06 +0100 на 02.03.2014 (нд), shiret...@web.de написа: When you write floating point operations are slow what exactly do you mean with slow? I'm practically quoting the Debian wiki. :) I haven't used yet my Raspberry PI which was a gift, since it cannot work with free software only. One I've tried to boot it and it failed because the SD card I've made was corrupted. I'm waiting for the released code to be integrated into something, so I can play around with it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 22:33 +0100 на 28.02.2014 (пт), franparpe[@nospam] написа: I Think I'm ging to buy one. I'm still deciding which one I prefer. Let see how it goes. Good luck, Thanks! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 15:20 +0100 на 01.03.2014 (сб), mikko.viinamaki[@nospam] написа: I wonder wouldn't a centralized way be better? I think this is what the Software Freedom Conservancy does (for donations?). [1] See the list of member projects. [2] It would be easier to promote one fundraiser. A centralized fundraiser has one disadvantage. It is not clear how the funds should be divided and between which projects. One option would be to choose which project should benefit during the contribution submission. I think the FSF had an option to choose if a donation is for specific project or cause, or one that they decide how to use best. Like say FSF would do a huge annual fundraiser and then publicly distribute the funds. The FSF helps mainly official GNU projects. The two main reasons are: * they have limited staff * for GNU projects there are requirements, which guaranties that the project will stay free software, follow other useful guidelines and behave well towards its users. [1] https://sfconservancy.org/ [2] https://sfconservancy.org/members/current/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Say goodbye to NPAPI
В 06:19 +0100 на 28.02.2014 (пт), tegskywalker[@nospam] написа: Chrome/Chromium will use the Pepper API for Flash and other plugins instead. According to the FireBreath community (the first link I've posted; slightly broken thanks to my mail client) Chromium, which is the closest thing to free software Chrome, does not support third party plugins installation for the PPAPI. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
Hey Free Software users, I know that there are some Linterna Mágica users reading the Trisquel mailing list, so I would like to inform them about some of our latest developments. We are running crowd funding campaign [1] for Linterna Mágica T-Shirts, that would help development and spread the word about us. [2] Our goal is at least 20 preorders for the prints to be produced and delivered. The campaign ends at 20th of March. Help us get there! As usual, any feedback (about the campaign or in general) is greatly valued. Thanks! [1] http://teespring.com/linternamagica signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica campaign
В 18:43 +0100 на 28.02.2014 (пт), shiret...@web.de написа: Well, honestly I don't quite understand. The purpose of this campaign is to raise money for linterna magica t-shirts and not for linterna magica itself? If the campaign is successful everyone who ordered a T-shirt will get one. The money will be split between me, Anton (the designer) and the campaign site. If the required minimal amount of preorders is not reached, the campaign fails, the people gets their money back and that's it. Why did you choose this indirect way? The direct ways were always on the website. Donations for Linterna Mágica are rare. We had one big donation from ThinkPenguin (Chris thanks again!) few years ago. Only few people donated (you know who you are, thanks!) over the years. Last year we had a survey [1] in which very few participated. It showed that we have a problem in the donation are. People who buy this t-shirt do it for the sole purpose of giving money to you for your work, so why taking away some part of this money for the t-shirt manufacturer etc This is a zero-cost-entry campaign for us... well I've spent one night with 4 hours of sleep, but still. :) The campaign on the T-shirts themselves could reach people (offline) whom we cannot, because we don't walk on the same path over the Internet. As I've said donations are rare, so we are trying this more dynamic approach with additional benefit for those who are wondering should they make a financial contribution. I would love it if people donated more, because I would be able to spent more time on Linterna Mágica and they would get better Linterna Mágica. Work on LM cannot be compared with anything for hire, unfortunately I can work on it in my spare time. Thats the cruel reality. :) [1] http://e-valkov.org/linterna-magica-survey/results signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Trisquel-users] Say goodbye to NPAPI
It might be a late discovery, but still. Chrome(ium?) will phaseout NPAPI. [1] The part of the browser that loads external plugins to handle unknown file types. Although Chrome is proprietary software it will set the trend. Mozilla is also one step away from this, since last year's click-to-run feature for plugins. [2] What this means? The good thing – for certain Flash will be dead. The bad thing? Websites will stop using plugins. Older versions of the HTML specification will be unsupported (object tags requiring plugins, the ugly embed). All the browser video plugins will stop working. Video and audio in the browser window will be limited to the support internally in the browser. Add a limited support of carefully selected video formats and codecs to that in few proprietary browsers and you have the web locked down. For my project Linterna Mágica this means migration to HTML5 instead of browser video plugins. So far I'm not pleased with the internal video rendering of Abrowser (Firefox). Plugins are handling video better. This is serious attack on choice by proprietary software even when you don't use it. What do you think? [1] http://www.firebreath.org/display/documentation/Browser+Plugins+in+a +post-NPAPI+world [2] http://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/01/29/mozilla-to-enable-click-to-play-for-all-firefox-plugins-by-default-except-the-latest-flash-version/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Need help: How to download embedded audio from a web site
В 19:18 +0100 на 26.02.2014 (ср), alejandroamatmarti...@gmail.com написа: Hello! I was wondereing if any of you know how to download embedded audio from this website: http://www.speakenglish.co.uk/phrases/at_a_restaurant With a little bit of black Bash magic :) (and Abrowser developers console to find the tracks URLs) wget http://www.speakenglish.co.uk/phrases/at_a_restaurant -O - | \ grep -E soundManager\.play.*[a-zA-Z0-9_\\-]+' -o | \ cut -d' -f2 | \ sed -e 's@^@http://speaklanguages.cachefly.net/sound/english/mp3/@g' \ -e 's/$/.mp3/g' | wget -i - This will download all files on the page in the current directory. Better use the attached bash script, because my mail client might have deformed the one-liner. If you want a different page, theoretically you only need to change the first URL (at_a_restaurant). If consider this to be software, then consider that I've released it into the public domain. Enjoy! :) speakenglish.sh.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Need help: How to download embedded audio from a web site
В 00:01 +0100 на 27.02.2014 (чт), magicban...@gmail.com написа: Just for the pleasure of showing a simpler solution: ;-) :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] problems with gnash
В 00:34 +0100 на 24.02.2014 (пн), onp...@riseup.net написа: ivaylo wrote: Define few. I've found that most mainstream sites support HTML5 as a fallback, including YouTube, Dailymotion, Vimeo, and several others. Those are mainstream websites, but they are not the Internet. A lot of small to middle websites, are still forcing flash. Even YouTube forces flash for part of its clips. For some flash is default and if missing, YouTube switches to HTML5, after displaying a warning about missing plugin. Vimeo (I cant confirm if this is still true) refused to load HTML5 on Gecko based browsers, because they lack H264. The only mainstream site that doesn't support HTML5 is blip.tv; for that, I recommend the ViewTube user (Greasemonkey) script. When HTML5 came up, or became mainstream blip.tv had an HTML5 player for a while. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] problems with gnash
В 12:51 -0800 на 23.02.2014 (нд), lisp_alive[@nospam] написа: I've bought a GNU/Linux computer with Trisquel pre-installed, but I am unable to get gnash to play any videos in Abrowser (it just buffers). The problem is fundamental. The proprietary flash technology is not publicly documented, so Gnash developers are reverse engineering the technology. This slow and hard process and they are obviously far behind. I wondered what the preferred option is? Would it be to disable gnash and use a HMTL5 add-on? HTML5 is part of any modern browser. The problem is that few websites support it, although it seems that the amount is slowly rising. You can disable Gnash from Tools/Add ons in Abrowser. For video you can try Linterna Mágica. [1] (I'm the author. Linterna Mágica is still live and kicking. Development is slow, but LM is still kicking. It costs me a lot of effort lately, to keep it running, because work drains my mind and energy, but something has to pay the bills.) You can also check the alternatives. [2] [1] http://linternamagica.org/ [2] https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/play-videos-without-using-flash signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] problems with gnash
В 22:54 +0100 на 23.02.2014 (нд), franparpe[nospam] написа: I use linterna Mágica on Midori Browser and even if it has some raw edges File a bug report or a feature request with detailed description and a way to duplicate the issues. Every bug and inconvenience matters to me. After all the sole purpose of software (as every other tool) is to make people's life easier. It is a very pleasure to know that you are on these forums. I've been here for years. You can track me trough the web interface of the forum/mailing list. :) Perhaps I've been a little impulsive on this comment but I like the fact that I'm meeting authors from some programs I usually use. Thank you for all the kind words. I appreciate it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] problems with gnash
В 23:22 +0100 на 23.02.2014 (нд), myself...@gmail.com написа: Can you provide some usecase when Linterna Magica load videos, that HTML5 or the Totem plugin cannot handle? Linterna Mágica does not have its own video renderer. It depends on video plugins. In a standard GNOME installations the default should be Totem. I personally have issues with HTML5. Sometimes it is slow on caching and loading. There are glitches too. YouTube is an example. Lately YouTube's HTML5 player uses 60-80 % CPU of my machine (Thinkpad X60, 3GB RAM, 1.8GHz CPU). With LM and Totem I get 10-30% less. With Linterna Mágica I personally get better results. The caching and the playback is smoother for me. That are the basic benefits for me. The rest (again for me) is satisfaction, eyecandy and easy clip downloads if needed. In addition I don't have any flash plugin enabled, so in a YouTube playlist Linterna Mágica will playback the entire list for me (shuffle or not) taking care of clips that still require flash and will skip unavailable clips. The YouTube player cannot playback some clips that require flash and the user does not have flash plugin. Recently there are issues with HD links (above 360/480) for some/all videos. YouTube is switching(ed?) to DASH [1] and since Abrowser (Forefox) still doesn't support it there are no such links. AFAIK only the YouTube flash player has such support and maybe the Chromium(copyright issues)/Chrome (proprietary). It was reported to me. I had no time to play with it. Even the test videos on your website does work flawlessly without it. You mean that they work without Linterna Mágica or what? The raw clips are there to test and prove that there is a video plugin. Thy should work without LM. The rest is mockup of flash objects as some websites implement them. The idea there is to test that Linterna Mágica works at all and to see what you should expect on other websites. Was this helpful? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_over_HTTP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] problems with gnash
В 00:59 +0100 на 24.02.2014 (пн), myself600@nospam написа: and I personally hate bloat on my computer. I'm using only carefully selected, and tested software to ensure they're best in category and they does what they claim to. Understandable. I can relate to that. I tested Linterna Magica amongst other plugins, and I can categorize it as a bloat (no offense here). No offense taken. There are issues with web sites that have a lot of JavaScript that Linterna Mágica is trying to parse to find videos. The latest version (1.20) has a fix for that - Linterna Mágica have to be started manually (the parser) on most websites to prevent bloating. Few major video sharing websites start automatically, and the list can be extended. I'll be glad go have some more feedback, if you are willing to try it again. Feedback from anyone is welcomed. Especially negative. This will lead to improvements. Write to me in person, at Linterna Mágica's mailing list, or join Linterna Mágica's Jabber and IRC chat rooms. Personally for YouTube, I'm using SMTube which technically does what your plugin, except that it does it without the need for a web browser. There were such scripts even before Linterna Mágica. I'm just too lazy and tired of copying links across browsers, windows, and scripts. Still they are a good solution. (YouTube automatically switches from 360p to 720p for better visual quality), There is no technical way to do this at the moment with a browser video plugin as far as I know. and most importantly, that I need to move the mouse cursor every ten minutes, 'cause the screen is going to dim. You could change your dimming preferences in you desktop environment. Also most players have settings for that. So basically your extension is just an eyecandy for a marginal userbase, or for those whose into these things (unfortunatelly, I'm not). I could not agree with that. It has much more than eyecandy and it works in far more places than YouTube. Places I don't know exists. Yes, everyone has their preferences how to use their computer. That is understandable. Yes the technical solution is not the best, it is limited and causes some inconvenience. I just don't have the spare time to investigate, test and migrate to a better and improved solution - browser extensions. Linterna Mágica is not an extension in the context of Abrowser. It is just a userscript and it has its limitations just because of that. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] AMD Radeon 8330 graphics with Trisquel?
В 17:14 +0100 на 18.02.2014 (вт), Michał Masłowski написа: The open source Radeon drivers require nonfree firmware for acceleration, so it won't work on free systems. Modesetting often works, while there are driver bugs that might lead to a black screen or errors on suspend/resume. Recently I've tested version 3.12 of the Linux kernel on Debian testing with another card – Radeon HD 6310. It seems completely useless with free software as the non-free firmware is required for modesetting. Without modesetting the card starts in vesa mode. For the little time I had to dedicate to the issue it seemed that the driver refuses to load at all without the non-free firmware. I found information on the Internet that there are other such AMD cards. I had no time to investigate if this is going to be fixed or introduced for all AMD cards in newer kernels. It might be coincidence with the unusable nature of Debian testing, but the 6310 is not stable and usable … no matter the firmware and the mode the kernel starts it in. My point is that some AMD cards might be unusable at all with free software even for 2D. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] AMD Radeon 8330 graphics with Trisquel?
В 20:17 +0100 на 18.02.2014 (вт), Michał Masłowski написа: Linux-libre has working modesetting for more Radeons than Debian without firmware: Debian intentionally disables it [0] despite it working on some cards. That is an idea. I'll test it as soon as I have some spare time at work (where the machine with the card is) to play with it. Thanks! I was trying to test the software rendering of GNOME Shell in the 3.8 series, because of the lack of free software 3D implementation and just stumbled upon this which set me back … I don't know decades. :/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] BBC videos.
В 20:04 +0100 на 07.02.2014 (пт), ewlabo...@gmail.com написа: I just emailed bbc.co.uk to please make their videos compliant with either gnash or html5. Meanwhile get-iplayer [1] might be useful. It is free software player for BBC video and audio. [1] aptitude show get-iplayer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] is there freedom in PDF format?
В 22:28 +0100 на 06.02.2014 (чт), r...@openmailbox.org написа: So. when i make a pdf file, how i get sure i followed the open standard path? If you are using free software to make it, chances are (bugs) very low to not follow the standard. Other than that, test the generated file with few free software PDF readers. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Faint sound with Gluglug X60
В 23:41 +0100 на 31.01.2014 (пт), bm-2cwce5abrzcyn1hzwsb33z4btaxgamt...@bitmessage.ch написа: The internal speaker is useless. I can't hear it with everything maxed out. The internal speaker is monospeaker. It is almost useless anyway. :) The docking station has stereo speakers which are also low-quality but acceptable. I know it is obvious, but have you tried the hardware volume control buttons? I haven't installed Coreboot on my X60 yet, but my observation is that the hardware volume control and the software one are two separate things. If you have the hardware mixer at its lowest value and the software mixer at top, the result is exactly what you describe. I usually keep the hardware volume control above average and use the software mixer. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] coreboot flashing
В 21:13 +0100 на 20.01.2014 (пн), debianli...@libero.it написа: In few days I will recieve a thinkpad T60 with non free BIOS I decided to flash by myself the machine, this is the instruction: https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/x60/Installation I read it, and I cannot understand well what I have to do... If any of you has some more detailed infos on how to proceed will be very helpful I haven't done it for the x60, though that was the idea when I bought the laptop. Lack of time and too many tasks. :/ I've flashed Coreboot on a desktop motherboard, where there is one advantage - the flash chip can be replaced (in some cases). Basically, Coreboot has a sister project which is a general purpose flash ( EEPROM) chip programmer. You have to use it to install Coreboot. It communicates with the flash/BIOS chip over a system bus from GNU/Linux. The procedure describes how to change flashrom source code to work-around the proprietary BIOS restrictions which prevents BIOS flashing on the entire chip. It seems the modification is flash chip specific. The proprietary BIOS is read from the chip for backup (recovery if necessary). The Coreboot image is prepared and the flash chip is programmed with the special image. When Coreboot is flashed and the laptop boots, the entire chip is reprogrammed. This procedure uses the internal system bus for programming. If an external programmer and a SO-8 IC clip mentioned in the recovery section is used, the modifications should not be needed. The external programmer approach is more complicated. If you need more help, I would be glad to help. You can also find me on the Trisquel IRC channel as thedreamer. I'm usually online most of the time (UTC+2:00), but during work hours I'm at work, (duh! :)) so I won't be able to spare more than 10 minutes. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] best thinkpad x60 wifi card
В 22:36 +0100 на 13.01.2014 (пн), mono@nospam написа: Hallo again I want to install a wifi card in my x60. Before the BIOS was upgraded to coreboot, an intel card was installed and it got really hot I've replaced the Intel wireless card in my Thinkpad x60 with Atheros AR5212. [1] I haven't related any heating to the card, but now that you mention it the right side is warm even with the card disabled by the hardware switch. I don't know if it is related. The keyboard surface is usually warm (to slightly hot) when I use the laptop without a docking station and external monitor i.e. as a laptop. The reception of the card is good on good signal. It is usable on weak signal. I have no extra antenna other than the one that was already in. [1] 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC [168c:1014] (rev 01) Subsystem: IBM ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini Express Adapter (AR5BXB6) [1014:058a] Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17 Memory at edf0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] Capabilities: access denied Kernel driver in use: ath5k Kernel modules: ath5k signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] New User Problems
В 00:26 +0100 на 05.01.2014 (нд), gnuser@nospam написа: I am saying that the mindset it's your problem because it's proprietary software and we shouldn't help you running windows only run trisquel is wrong when pointed towards a newcomer! Since the quoted text looks like a copy of my message, I feel obligated to reply. Dual booting is essential from a newcomer's point of view, but that does not mean people here should help fix that in all cases. It depends on the situation, how much damage it would do and on everybody to decide can he/she help. The general rule is to not help at all with proprietary software. Excluding few who try to actively promote non-free software and justify it, even in this free software community people have different tolerance to proprietary software related problems as shades of dark as they might look to outsiders and newcomers. There are grey areas and compromises which might or might not bring another person to free software. The bad thing with compromises with proprietary software is that after a few they start adding up exponentially. This is a free software only community and distribution. Not linux, not open source, not proprietary drivers/blobs/firmware, not but it works for me I need it I don't care about licenses help me etc. etc. The majority of the people here want full control on their hardware and software. Using, recommending and helping with proprietary software is not an option and will never be here. If it is someday, it means the community failed. Still everybody is free to do whatever he/she wants with his computer and on his own, including running and using proprietary software, if the user still believes he/she needs it. But help for proprietary software should not be expect here. The general user that does not use specialized software does not really need proprietary software. It is all habits, fear of change, awkwardness with the transition and the new environment. I've been there, believe me. There was nobody to help me, I've managed it on my own by reading manuals and tutorials. You claim the community here is not helping newcomers. The open source and so called Linux community was not helpful at all to me - reticule, go read the manual newbie. On the contrary the free software and GNU(/Linux) one always was. People here are friendly and help as much as they can. If there are people here that think it is normal to help with proprietary software they are free to do it off the list/forum. No one can stop them. Doing it on the list is kind of trolling. Newcomers should be helped as much as possible, especially with information why one should use only free software, but helping at any cost with proprietary software is too much to ask. Helping users bring their proprietary software and habits into a free software distribution would solve nothing. You cannot help someone that does not want help. Freedom and free software cannot be forced to people. It must be their choice. If they are not willing to give up proprietary software this community and distribution probably is not for them and could not help them. Such users will always see the short term convenience and technical benefits (if any) in proprietary software. When they say I am running trisquel but I will get fired if I don't get this work done by tomorrow and need a piece of proprietary software to run, can you guys help me out please?? they are flamed and take the quit your job, work at a factory, be free speech. I'm here for a lot longer than you and I've never seen such drastic suggestions. Calling a flame the main idea behind a community is trolling. Read his post man, he was a 71 year old man, who was trying to use free software for the first time, aked for help, felt mistreated by us (the community) and decided not to use free software again! WE CAUSED a person to TURN AWAY from free software. … Could you stop stressing on his age? That was revealed in his last message. It should not be of such importance. Free software is for everybody. Before his last message nobody knew, neither that this was his first attempt to use free software or GNU/Linux distribution. As for the mistreatment… a newcomer could always feel mistreated in a new community, because he/she is not familiar with its ways. This thread developed on the 31st of December until 1st of January when it is known fact that most people are probably doing something else than using a computer and reading mail and forum messages. People here participate on their own time and answer when they can. Responses after a 3-4-5-6 days period are kind of normal for such list/forum. The conversation happened in a 24 hour window and after three days silence, the person decided to just give up. In fact having the time of year and the responses in mind, he actually got a lot of help. Except for my late message no one else mentioned proprietary software and refused help. Silence does not always means refusal to
Re: [Trisquel-users] New User Problems
В 03:19 +0100 на 02.01.2014 (чт), ja...@bluehome.net написа: Wait... Someone can't boot Windows anymore? This is good news, right? :) From freedom point of view and for the long term, yes. But as we see he is now in doubt and might not try at all free software distribution again, because he is out of his comfort zone. Dual boot is essential from newcomer's perspective until they get used to the new environment. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] New User Problems
В 22:18 +0100 на 01.01.2014 (ср), hampton...@gmail.com написа: a problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage ***STOP: 0X0024 (0X00190203, 0X8A7619F8, 0X102,0X) I ran chkdsk /f from the Linux side and it came up with no problems. Normally you wouldn't receive help for such problems here, because using proprietary software is your own problem, but since you are a newcomer and you are considering/decided to give up free software at all, the following might help. I've seen something similar last year as a part of educational project in a high school. GNU/Linux was installed side by side to some version of Windows, which wasn't able to boot. The problem was in the NTFS partition that Windows used. We were able fix it from GNU/Linux by running some NTFS-related utilities. I assume (I forgot) they were the ntfsfix and ntfsck programs coming from the ntfs-3g package. If that is the case, you probably can't mount the NTFS partition on GNU/Linux. Assuming the device is sda and the Windows partition is the first one: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda12048 409599 203776 86 NTFS volume set ... sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt _Some error_ or sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt _Some error_ If it mounts, unmount the partition with: sudo umount /mnt If there is no error you can still try to fix the partition with ntfsfix. Try the dry-run first. sudo ntfsfix -n /dev/sda1 If there is nothing scary looking, execute the command without the -n option. sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda1 Try the ntfsck program as well sudo ntfsck /dev/sda1 Reboot. If you don't use any specialized software on Windows you should be able to live without it. It will be a little awkward at the beginning. That is all. Good luck. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu
В 12:15 +0100 на 03.01.2014 (пт), aaz...@mail.ru написа: 1.It's problematic to change default search engine (DuckDuckGo). Select a search engine at the top-right dedicated search engine field. Your are done. Type in the address bar or at the dedicated search field. Install a Abrowser search extension if necessary. Advanced mode (does the same) Visit about:config. Type browser.search in the search field. Set browser.search.selectedEngine to the label of installed search extension. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu
В 16:12 +0100 на 03.01.2014 (пт), aaz893@ написа: After restart these settings will be overridden by default. I can't confirm that. I've tested with a new profile (abrowser --ProfileManager). The only way to duplicate this is to kill the browser (kill, killall, Ctrl+C if ran from terminal). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Trisquel lags when playing videos and video games, sometimes freezes
В 12:45 +0100 на 30.12.2013 (пн), holger.be...@gmail.com написа: You are currently running the Mesa Software Renderer for 3D Also the vendor string (VMWare Inc.) suggests that this is a virtual machine, which means that your video card is emulated in software. Running in a virtual machine will explain why you are having problems. Probably there are not enough resources (RAM, CPU) to emulate the virtual machine and playback the video at the same time. VMWare is not free software. The free software vitalization programs VirtualBox and Qemu are really good and you can use them instead. VirtualBox has the ability to provide 3d acceleration to the guest OS, but I've never used it. I think you can even run VMWare images inside VirtualBox and Qemu. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Antwort: Trisquel lags when playing videos and video games, sometimes freezes
В 13:16 +0100 на 30.12.2013 (пн), Michał Masłowski написа: Running LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=t glxinfo | grep OpenGL should output the same vendor string on real hardware. Good to know. Thanks! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel lags when playing videos and video games, sometimes freezes
В 17:01 +0100 на 30.12.2013 (пн), [nospam] написа: I am not running Trisquel on a virtual machine. Sorry, my mistake. The VMWare vendor string fooled me. As others have pointed out, that string does not (necessary) mean an emulated card as I expected. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel lags when playing videos and video games, sometimes freezes
В 17:08 +0100 на 29.12.2013 (нд), [nospam] написа: glxinfo | grep OpenGL bash: glxinfo: command not found The glxinfo command is provided by the mesa-utils package. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel lags when playing videos and video games, sometimes freezes
В 17:07 +0100 на 29.12.2013 (нд), [nospam] написа: Normally my computer can run 720p and 1080p videos smoothly. I have never had this problem with Trisquel before. The symptoms have appeared only recently. Test another player? For example mplayer, vlc, totem, xine. Are those videos local or accessed over a network? Slow network connection can cause the problem you describe. My computer has an Intel CPU. The assumption is that you have Intel GPU as well which should have free software 3D support. Do you think this problem is caused by old hardware? Shouldn't be if you were able to reproduce 720p and 1080p. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] New RPM-based fully free system distribution
В 15:24 +0100 на 19.12.2013 (чт), jan...@yopmail.com написа: http://gdnewhat.org/ Hi list, I've noticed that there are questions in this thread what is the difference between RPM-based and Debian-based distributions, which is better etc. etc. I decided to share my observations on the *technical* side of RPM distributions, although they might be considered too negative. The following is my opinion for RPM based systems and might or might not be true and objective. I've done my best to be objective. Don't start an argument with me unless what you have to say has some use for the others on the mailing list. I'll try to keep it quiet. RPM based systems are damn awkward, to put it mildly. I've used the following distributions for a desktop in the past, so I think I have some objective judgement: * Red Hat 6x - few months (absolute max 1 year) * Slackware - 1-2 years * Gentoo - around 2 years+ * Debian - around 4 years+ (still at work) * Trisquel - since 2010 till now Currently I work for a startup cloud provider based on OpenStack (Apache 2 licensed free software), [1] so I've seen a lot of things on different distributions with real life problems. *Technically* there is nothing better than Debian(-based) system: * number of available packages * supported architectures * long term support * ease of setup and administration * package dependencies * consistency * upgradable to newer versions ... Ubuntu as an exception has its quirks, but that is a totally different story. RPM based systems are awful. Last year and a half I had to administer CentOS distributions at work and it was just a nightmare. Finally they were migrated to a real operating system. The following is a little (non-complete) list of the usual problems that will be encountered with RPM based distributions: * Network configuration is split into at least 3 files. * Configuration files are mostly all capital - bad design; hard editing * Configurations in general reside in a non-trivial place (/etc/sysconfig/). * As far as I remember /etc/hostname is at all missing or not used. (Missing/incorrect hostname is a huge problem) * Kernels in latest versions of CentOS are still 2.6.something.; Might not be a problem with latest Linux-Libre. * An additional repository (EPEL) provided by Fedora have to be added manually for extra packages, which sometimes are essential. * Switching to superuser does not provide the extra */sbin paths unless a special extra option is provided. * Limited text mode installer - (not limited to) no custom partitioning. * Different init system * missing rc.local in newer versions (RPM-based in general); yes yes, who needs it, but sometimes it is essential for non-trivial stuff * some system command line tools are different, but that is somewhat normal - software installation, services startup setup, system users and group names These might seem as little things, but when they sum up, for daily usage it just does not work. Fedora is quite the opposite of CentOS - they are bleeding edge. My experience with Fedora is limited compared to CentOS, but I've noticed it has some(all?!) of the awkwardness of CentOS. An RPM based system is your enemy, if you have to use the command line. It doesn't help you, it gets in your way. I guess it won't differ much for the desktop. The Fedora community is doing great job in supporting and improving free software, but RPM distributions... I don't know... I want something that actually works, spoils me, acts (almost) the same way every time and is dependable. Regards, [1] http://www.openstack.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel lags when playing videos and video games, sometimes freezes
В 16:06 +0100 на 28.12.2013 (сб), magicban...@gmail.com написа: Linux-libre's radeon driver is far from being complete. In particular, there is no 3D acceleration. In addition, your hardware might not be able to reproduce high-definition videos and games at high resolution. My laptop has Intel GPU and 3d support, but still it is not able to playback above 720x videos. My last desktop computer had an AMD video card without 3D acceleration and also unable to reproduce clips above 720x. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : New RPM-based fully free system distribution
В 18:54 +0100 на 28.12.2013 (сб), magicban...@gmail.com написа: Everything you list (the second list, not the first one) has *nothing* to do with the package manager (RPM) or its usual interface (yum). Those are choices made by Fedora that is the preview of Red Hat that is recompiled into CentOS (hence the huge similarities between the three distributions, especially between Red Hat and CentOS). That said: GdNewHat being based on Fedora, your observations apply; I have no idea whether your observations also apply to other RPM-based distributions (Mageia and OpenSUSE come to mind). I've barely seen OpenSUSE and it has similar layout for configuration as CentOS. Can't say anything else. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : New RPM-based fully free system distribution
Sorry for the double post. I pressed a wrong key-combination and send the last unfinished e-mail. В 18:54 +0100 на 28.12.2013 (сб), magicban...@gmail.com написа: has *nothing* to do with the package manager (RPM) or its usual interface (yum). Those are choices made by Fedora that is the preview of Red Hat that is recompiled into CentOS The package manager behaves as defined in the specification of a distribution and its layout. I don't know why you point that out. As a matter of fact the yum and rpm tools have good options, capabilities and some quirks. For a distribution to be RPM based or Deb(ian) based doesn't simply mean that it uses the package format and the tools. At least in my understanding. It simply can't because it would be a great effort to change those things to behave differently than in the original - what and where is extracted, what scripts to be run before/after etc. It might be necessary to patch all packages to make the system behave differently. Hence a distribution will inherit a lot more than the package format and the tools. It will inherit the layout and the look and feel. distributions (Mageia and OpenSUSE come to mind). I've barely touched OpenSUSE. It has similar layout for configuration as CentOS. Can't say anything else. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Buying a Trisquel laptop in France
В 21:05 +0100 на 28.12.2013 (сб), chris.arijs написа: I know that Atheros Wifi cards are great but what about the other stuff ? Check the h-node [1] project's hardware database. The information is reported from fully free distributions. They lack motherboard section, but still. Have in mind that some of the hardware might not be available. At least new. [1] http://h-node.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Buying a Trisquel laptop in France
В 12:01 +0100 на 21.12.2013 (сб), wlqdq...@sharklasers.com написа: Debian 6 is out of the question, the kernel is too old. Not only the kernel. It currently receives only security updates. Soon it will be completely obsolete. But Debian 7 does work, till it freezes. Trisquel doesn't even end the boot process. I know it is a long shot in the dark, but any chance this is caused by a graphics card mode settings by the kernel? Could you test a Trisquel Live CD with more verbose output and nomodeset enabled? Start the LiveCD, choose the language, mark Try Trisquel without installing and press F6 for more options. Mark the nomodeset option with the space bar so it has an x in front of it and exit the menu by pressing the escape key. In the editable file delete splash and quiet. You can optionally add nomodeset without the quotes. Press enter and the system will (hopefully) boot with a lot of messages. You can now find out why it doesn't boot. This is applicable to other live CDs as well - you will have to find how to add/edit the kernel arguments. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Converting to OGG
В 13:16 +0100 на 24.12.2013 (вт), franpa...@openmailbox.org написа: I'm looking for a way to do it from command line but I have to teach another person how to do it and he/she is not familiar with those kind of enviroments. Choose one of the Ogg command tools (dir2ogg, oggenc directly, etc.). Make a small bash script around it that accepts a file or a directory as an argument and makes the conversion. Provide the script to the person who needs it. Even cooler is to use zenity to provide GUI input/output and execute the script from GUI directly. I've used zenity exactly for that - automate a task with a shell script and make it usable for people using GUI. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Concern about GNU/Linux becoming more proprietary
В 04:47 +0100 на 18.12.2013 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: This is the opposite of the GPL licensed software where the copyright holder has an alterior motive to dual license or release GPL code to the public but then offer a propietary license to allow full freedom with the code (like a permissive license) for a fee. Excuse my language, but as usual absolute crap. Permissive licensing has a loophole - proprietary software can be created out of it without restriction. That is the opposite of free software. You want to use permissively licensed code so you can do proprietary software out of it. That is all about. Nothing more nothing less. You want to modify the ready product, lock it down and sell derivatives. An author of GPL licensed code might or might not want to dual license and or sell proprietary licenses. I'm sure that there are such projects (AFAIK the term is open core), but the majority of the GPL released code is available only under GPL and no proprietary licensing is available. Don't make things up. We know it is all about using the free (in terms of time and money) code, having monopoly of the improvements and talking about being competitive. The freedom of a project is admired and appreciated, referred to as cool by proprietary companies/developers, but improvements must be kept in their proprietary versions only. Because they say, they've invested time and money and they must protect their investment. That is partially true. What about the investment that lead to the free free software project that they based their work on? Hypocrisy and double standards. The full freedom of permissive licensing is an illusion. For just a few cycles it can become completely proprietary. Those are historical facts. Most of proprietary software based on free software is build upon permissive licenses - just because the license allows it. The GPL is restrictive to the full freedom just to keep the software available forever free (as in freedom). Sell me the air why don't you?! Regards, signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Concern about GNU/Linux becoming more proprietary
В 15:57 +0100 на 18.12.2013 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: make it proprietary, but as I said before, if the project is big already, Software is essential to computers. Without it they are just pointless electricity consumption device or scrap if not plugged in. The capabilities of a computer are determined in software on 90-98 percent. The rest is electronics. That is why software is important and why we need free software. Software cannot be measured in big and small terms. It can be small as a code base, but it might solve important tasks. Why do you care if someone makes a non-free fork of Node.js if you can always get the free version of it? If the proprietary version has useful technical improvements, the people most likely will prefer the proprietary version and it will became widespread. Then an employee or a freelancer developer would be forced to use the proprietary version because the employer and/or the client would want to have the super-uber-cool™ (just kidding;)) feature of the proprietary version - Just like in site/program X. This is somehow out of the scope and the understanding of free software as a non-commercial community projects. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] The bright brave new future world as Google sees it
В 18:11 +0100 на 12.12.2013 (чт), arielxgbar...@gmail.com написа: If you move into a house with that sort of thing already installed. Valid argument. :) Haven't thought about that. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] The bright brave new future world as Google sees it
В 20:37 +0100 на 11.12.2013 (ср), arielxgbar...@gmail.com написа: Hopefully the microphones are not so deeply embedded that it will take more than 5 minutes to remove them. Remove them? I'm not planning installing them/letting Google install them in the first place. :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] ASM 68k
В 21:54 +0100 на 10.12.2013 (вт), Pascal Diogo Antunes написа: No, It's my work for school. I have to develop an ASM program for 68k arch, but I don't have no computer with 68k. What about the good old GNU assembler? ;) I don't remember that I ever used it although I had some university projects back in the days with the Motorola 68Hxx series. I think it only supports 11 and 12 series. aptitude show binutils-m68hc1x |grep Description Description: binary utilities that support Motorola's 68HC11/12 targets sudo aptitude install binutils-m68hc1x dpkg -L binutils-m68hc1x |grep -- -as /usr/share/man/man1/m68hc11-as.1.gz /usr/bin/m68hc11-as /usr/bin/m68hc12-as /usr/share/man/man1/m68hc12-as.1.gz man m68hc12-as man m68hc12-as Another option might be crasm: aptitude show crasm |grep Description Description: Cross assembler for 6800/6801/6803/6502/65C02/Z80 More potential options with mixed results: apt-cache search assembler |less apt-cache search assembly |less If you find any free software that works, you would definitely want/have to test your code in your school's lab assembler and use hacks/code changes to make it work with both assemblers if you have to. Test it on real hardware if the lab has such and it is an requirement before you have to show it. I had a similar case with Microchip's PIC assembly for some university projects and I used gputils/gpasm. Making your code work for your teachers/your school's way is essential. The tradeoff is minimal in my opinion. :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] FOSS Skype Replacement
В 06:53 +0100 на 03.11.2013 (нд), deckardcain@[nospam] написа: Hello again, everyone; I've been working on creating a FOSS Skype Replacement; which I am currently calling GNUChat. Currently, the program is in pre pre pre-alpha Do you know about the GNU Telephony [1] and its sub-project GNU Free Call [2]? The GNU Telephony developers work on a peer-to-peer SIP/VoIP server (GNU SIP Witch) with encryption (ZRTP). The GNU Free Call effort tries to improve the GNU SIP Witch server's peer-to-peer functionality, so it can work in a mesh-like networks and eliminate central servers. Of course these are server solutions, which have to be run by users and need a SIP client. It might be better to improve the support for GNU SIP Whitch in existing SIP clients, if such is need, or help in the GNU Telephony project directly. After all, it is better to separate the GUI from the protocol. You've said that you are self-taught, but that shouldn't be an obstacle to contribute to other projects. I think any member of a free software project would suggest improvements to your code contribution and will point you to helpful material. Programming is most of the time self-learning while programming. Learning and contributing from/to existing free software projects will only improve your skills. [1] http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony [2] http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Free_Call_Announcement signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Trisquel-users] Linterna Mágica chat rooms
Dear Trisquel community, I've been away from the list/form for a while, because I've been busy and the list became very high-traffic for me. Now that I'm back I have news. I know that some (most?) users of Linterna Mágica read the forum/list, so I hope this announcement is not off-topic. I am happy to announce that there are two official chat rooms for Linterna Mágica in addition to the mailing list (linterna-magica-users at nongnu dot org). Jabber: linternamag...@conference.jabber.org IRC: #linternamagica on irc.freenode.net There is a bot that relays messages between the rooms - lm-jabber2irc My nick is Dreamer in linternamag...@conference.jabber.org, and thedreamer in #linternamagica. Hopefully I'll have more news about Linterna Mágica soon. The rest is still cooking. :) Regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu = rolling release? (speculation)
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 05:27:34AM +0100, andrew.rof...@student.qut.edu.au wrote: Wow, Ivaylo Valkov has a lot of projects! Personal, yes. Public? Well, a lot is a strong statement currently. ;) However, I visited a YouTube video page and it didn't do anything. File a bug report [1] with the list of links that do not work. This way you are helping the project, yourself and the rest of the community. I don't know any that play videos without JS (though I'm sure they exist), but I use UnPlug to download them Linterna Mágica is no exception. Currently it requires JavaScript enabled so it can be executed. If/when the code is migrated to browser extensions that requirement could drop. A Bash/Perl/Python etc. YouTube downloaders should fall in that category, but they would work outside of the browser. [1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=additemgroup=linterna-magica
Re: [Trisquel-users] Video downloaders--wasRe: Ubuntu = rolling release? (speculation)
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:36:46PM -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: And I'll give unplug a go, since the latest linterna magica can cause orca to have trouble focusing on abrowser's window. Since this bug has surfaced, I toggle greasemonkey off until I need it for video watching. Please file a bug report about Linterna Mágica [1] with as much information as possible if you believe it causes the problem. With the interface changes we might have missed something or introduced bugs for screen readers. Thanks. [1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=additemgroup=linterna-magica
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu = rolling release? (speculation)
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:42:22PM +0100, andrew.rof...@student.qut.edu.au wrote: I became aware of a few GreaseMonkey limitations myself not long ago (e.g. setTimeout/setInterval) which can be really annoying. Linterna Mágica is relying on setTimeout and setInterval for a lot of its functionality. They are tricky in the GM context. As far as I remember Linterna Mágica used those functions even before I switched to injecting the script into the page because of other GM limitations.
Re: [Trisquel-users] StatusNet, Identi.ca, and another blow to the AGPL
tegskywalker writes: I recently read a story at …about how the owner of StatusNet is ceasing development of the software and that the existing Identi.ca accounts will be migrated over to their new platform, Pump.io. Here is the official source. [1] One of the comments of an anonymous user reads: we will be doing an account registration freeze before deploying the new major version, and drop unused accounts in the process To which Even Prodromou seems to agree: THANK YOU for the succinct summary Probably the big thing that's different is that pump.io is much smaller and simpler than StatusNet. I'm trying to push some features out to the edge. When I was looking for top software that used the Affero GPLv3 license, StatusNet was one I could count on one hand and now that is being phased out. The source code is still available and free software. There might be a fork. Don't forget that most free software licenses have the clause without any warranty. ;) Maybe people like the StatusNet owner see the Apache license as a way to get more corporate support and put more money into his company, e14n. There is nothing wrong with getting more money. It depends on the means by which you achieve it. It will still be free software. The Apache 2.0 license is not as strict as the AGPL, so the public relies on the good intentions of the authors of the software released under the Apache 2.0 license. What will you do when Identi.ca goes away? Are you going to use Pump.io instead? The option to run your own node still exists. There are other services and free software that support the oStatus federation protocol that I've heard about, but haven't tested. Simply put, the main developer of a software package stops developing and supporting it, and starts a new one from scratch. The package could live on, but it depends on the public (users). After all that is one of the reasons why free software licenses exist. Somebody might fork it or continue develop it. [1] http://status.net/2012/12/18/upcoming-changes-in-the-status-net-service pgp1rRt6yhkCU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Backup your stuff - NOW!
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:03:27AM +0100, t...@tius.it wrote: but I get generic error. I think I need to buy a new usb disk :-( Check your disk's health with palimpsest/gnome-disk-utility or some of the tools in these packages: smartmontools, gsmartcontrol, smart-notifier. Anything that supports S.M.A.R.T might work. Check it with badblocks for bad blocks in a terminal.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Backup your stuff - NOW!
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:02:02AM +0100, mikko.viinam...@students.turkuamk.fi wrote: I'm now also looking for a handy program, […] * regular (automated, because a human being tends to forget) * frequent (sometimes you get a lot of work done quickly) * on another disk or encrypted off-site (disks fail, fires etc) * delta-based (not copying what's not changed, e.g. rsync) Having made manual backups now, it's time for the quest for the backup program! I'm using duply, a duplicity front-end with a cron rule for daily backups. It supports incremental backups, GPG encryption, self-cleaning old(er) files, automatic full backups on certain periods, remote destinations, file exclusion, multiple jobs/profiles and so on. Déjà Dup in Trisquel also relies on duplicity. Good luck!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Backup your stuff - NOW!
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:46:18PM +0100, mikko.viinam...@students.turkuamk.fi wrote: smartparameters were indicating something's wrong, then the disk was quite likely to fail soon. On the other hand, most disks simply failed without any prior warning in the smart parameters. My disk too gave no warning. There is nothing certain. Few months ago I got one of my disk still in warranty was replaced, because it was going to have bad blocks. It had no bad block but S.M.A.R.T attributes suggested it had or it would fail soon. Don't remember which one. It was crashing the system and was producing noises. These were good indicators for me, but yes it could be that a disk doesn't indicate that is going to fail. Just, backup and let it fail! :) And backup the backup as well. ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Software Foundation's 2012 Holiday Giving Guide
ch...@thinkpenguin.com writes: Why does everyone think that Apple's products are top quality and ThinkPenguin's are crap? Nice one! I laughed. Although I do not own ThinkPenguin or Apple hardware, for me personally it is the other way around. Apple's devices are crap for two reasons. One, they are designed in mind and shipped with proprietary software and it is not certain is it going to work with free OS, although some work. Two, I consider Apple's hardware ridiculously overpriced. At least it was this way in the past, I haven't checked lately. I think it is all related to marketing and branding. After all Apple is a well recognisable and marketed brand, which is the reason it is so popular. The fact that all (most?) hardware is similar inside or at least produced in the same factories in Asia, does not occur to people. It also could be that ThinkPenguin is not yet (?) recognisable, and people see it as a second class product. Just because they haven't heard of it, or they are not familiar enough with it. Hope my thoughts help somehow. pgpyUrfJsWvbi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
ch...@thinkpenguin.com writes: The truth is it all depends on what companies think will benefit them in any given area. … AMD thinks assisting coreboot will help them win in the server arena. … AMD doesn't really care about the freedom bit though beyond it achieving an advantage. Intel is the same way. Intel's graphics chipsets are free only because they have no advantage to lose by opening up the specifications. Of course. They do it because they have their reasons. I see them as free software and freedom friendly just out of my viewpoint and criteria. pgpV76aOu7mj8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
moil...@gmail.com writes: Gnome Shell has worked a long time the best with FREEDOM FRIENDLY graphics, that is Intel Graphics, which have Free Drivers developed mainly by Intel. Period. What about the rest? My desktop machine that I am currently not using lacks 3D. My laptop (Thinkapd X60), which is my daily machine since few months has Intel card and so what? As lucky and grateful we should be for such hardware, these cards are only available on laptops. I think they are not mainstream. Correct me if I am wrong. Before the software rendering effort developed by the Fedora project, Gnome Shell was unusable in almost the entire free software ecosystem without proprietary software for the 3D rendering part. My opinion is that requiring 3D, especially knowing the state of the drivers and support in terms of free software and freedom, it was wrong decision made by GNOME (Shell). Especially for a GNU package, because don't forget that the G in GNOME stands for GNU. I personally discovered too late about this issue. Honestly, I feel a little bit betrayed. A person cannot always buy new hardware and is not able to replace it in all cases. So, excuse me, but it is not simply period. I personally will keep nagging about this issue. It is simply wrong to demand 3D for the purpose to just move some windows, show shiny things and eye-candy, and do cool/cool stuff in the core of a GUI, without being able to stop it. Wrong wrong wrong. Wrong! pgpcylmHc21k0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
moil...@gmail.com writes: You can find Intel Graphics in Desktops too. They used to be a chip on the motherboard, but the current generations has been integrated to the CPU. So, if you buy the right Intel CPU you get Intel Graphics too. I prefer AMD, because from what I've read trough the years I have the impression, they are generally more free software friendly, by providing technical information. I'm excluding the ATI and card division, although they provided information for that too except for the 3D rendering. For instance AMD is very helpful in the Coreboot project, the effort for free software BIOS. Intel on the other hand I hear are going completely in the opposite direction and invention lock-down mechanisms on BIOS level and does not contribute. Supporting AMD has another potential benefit - it prevents Intel from becoming a monopolist. My personal hardware buying guide has a weighting mechanism that has several components and compromises. 3D was generaly not mandatory before GNOME Shell. pgp4EpBI5f11t.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fallback mode to disappear - DE brainstorming
moil...@gmail.com writes: The fact that people buy shit chips requiring proprietary drivers should never limit what Gnome does. True, but still an option, a way to stop 3D was the right way to do it. Many mainstream people want eye candy. However, Gnome Shell is not just eye candy. They have the right to do so. I'm not saying eye candy is wrong, but making it the core and rely on non-free software in most hardware without being able to stop the 3D in the core is wrong for me. I can not event comprehend how they make such compromise. It is original design and not a redo of Windows 95. No offence to Trisquel, but its desktop is Windows 7 redo, though, Trisquel had it before Windows 7. That might be fine for many, especially for Windows users. Speaking of which, has anybody seen Windows 8? I had a chance to see it when somebody showed it off to me. It seems a lot like GNOME Shell for some features. It is not clear which was the original idea, but I don't really care. For me it is not fine because I enjoyed Gnome Shell right away when I used it first time. And the more I have used it, the more I like it. It is fluid, clear, efficient, and enjoyable user experience for me. My experience is mainly with older versions. It seamed buggy at the time. Have in mind that I am the main translator of GNOME Shell in Bulgarian. I'm not just ill speaking. Still trying to compile the latest stable version, 3.6 with JHBuild and test it for my final conclusion. I simply don't want to give up GNOME, which I'm using since 2005, but it is just forcing me to do so. pgpPjpqwP2RdB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS
Ivaylo Valkov iva...@e-valkov.org writes: iva...@e-valkov.org writes: It disables/enables JavaScript more easily than the internal option. Yet no code available from my working copy. Might happen this week. There are two Git repository [1] at Gitorious that hold the latest sources and the website. I hope I will be able to modify and improve the code soon. [1] https://gitorious.org/javascript-switch-off/ pgpoQjdV1hy9X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS
iva...@e-valkov.org writes: It disables/enables JavaScript more easily than the internal option. [1] (Yes, yes the website and the bug tracker as well need fixes, I know. ;) Lack of time.) http://e-valkov.org/epiphany-extensions/js-switch-off/ The website is fixed for all resolutions and the issue tracker is up and running again. Fey issues were submitted by me, that should be fixed before 0.3 is released. Yet no code available from my working copy. Might happen this week. Epiphany developers are planning extensions ( extension core) changes for 3.8. This might break at all JavaScript switch off at all. [1] [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/epiphany-list/2012-October/msg6.html pgp6GvshWtRae.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS
Ivaylo Valkov iva...@e-valkov.org writes: iva...@e-valkov.org writes: (Yes, yes the website and the bug tracker as well need fixes, I know. ;) Lack of time.) Fey issues were submitted by me, that should be fixed before 0.3 is released. Funny, the typo means completely different thing. Read as fe*w*. ;) pgpCBjhTXtGLv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Shumway - a JavaScript SWF Runtime
matt.i...@gmail.com writes: This could prove to be interesting. I'm always sceptical though. Personally I'd like to see flash go away in all its forms. That way there isn't some dev team trying to always play catch up with the official flash releases. A widely used open standard would be great. There was [1][2][3] already similar, if not the same effort around 2010. It is called Gordon and it is a JavaScript implementation of SWF decoder/runtime. Gordon is free software (MIT license). Since it's release there are no changes in the repository [3] for unknown reason. [1] http://www.sitepoint.com/gordon-javascript-flash-player/ [2] http://ajaxian.com/archives/gordon-flash-runtime-implemented-in-javascript [3] https://github.com/tobeytailor/gordon pgppBjnZjGzMk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Shumway - a JavaScript SWF Runtime
Ivaylo Valkov iva...@e-valkov.org writes: matt.i...@gmail.com writes: There was [1][2][3] already similar, if not the same effort around 2010. It is called Gordon It seems the original author (Tobias Schneider) of Gordon is contributing to the Shumway project, or the Shumway project itself is based on Gordon. [1] https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/blob/master/LICENSE [2] https://github.com/tobeytailor/gordon/blob/master/MIT-LICENSE pgpZvlWFZNNqq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] Epiphany 3.7 removes option to disable JS
В 05:02 +0100 на 31.10.2012 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: I still don't see the point in disabling JavaScript as it would break most sites. Because it gives control to the user to browse however he/she wants. One of the best practises in making websites is to make it so that it could be read in a text only browser and then style it with CSS and add all *additional* cool stuff via JavaScript. Stopping JavaScript could stop some annoying behaviour in a website that the programmers, the designers and the company which developed the website didn't realized. It greatly depends on the website and what it provides, but my observation is that on most websites people actually go to *read*. JavaScript is a universal language supported in all browsers and even Read The JavaScript Trap, if you haven't already. If you did, read it again. Exactly because it is a programming language and it is used for large web based programs lately is an issue from free software point of view. The other reasons are annoyance and inconvenience in websites delivered as they are. the archaic IE6 can play nice with JS frameworks like jQuery. That is proprietary software, no matter it was popular in its time. I don't know why you bring it up and why should we care about it. Microsoft themselves renounced from it and made a campaign to bring awareness and render it obsolete. The hardcore free software guys will do what they want anyways through extensions or modified browsers, but JavaScript should be left alone for everyone else. Stopping JavaScript from the core or with an extension achieves the same goal. Why not stop it from the core then? If there is an option to stop it, it is good for all. Who wants it will keep it, who doesn't will stop it. What should be the default is a topic for a long discussion. It is a shame that most JS doesn't have a license linked to it That is because by definition (copyrights law) most are proprietary software. It does not matter that the source might be provided (if not obfuscated) as a side effect of the JavaScript language. I'm excluding free software JavaScript libraries. The Epiphany extension I've mentioned for example came to life when I was still using Google search and they've introduced the annoying auto complete while you type. With that they made all links in the results wrapped inside a JavaScript function which broke the open-in-new-tab-on-middle-or-wheel-click functionality. I've wrote the extension merely because I needed a faster way to enable/disable the JavaScript engine on demand. There is always a reason to stop JavaScript. Sometimes the demand for such crazy features could come out of practical reasons only. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Flash Alternatives
В 07:10 +0100 на 31.10.2012 (ср), a...@member.fsf.org написа: I could never get linterna magica to work, Report a bug. By that you are directly help yourself, the project and all the other users. I am unable to spot everything on time. Be as verbose as possible in the report as this will help me investigate and fix the issue faster. Thanks. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Flash Alternatives
В 07:48 +0100 на 31.10.2012 (ср), a...@member.fsf.org написа: Sure, no problem. It seems that the video loads, and sometimes plays, but it's inconsistent. Sound never worked too. Thanks, but I've meant in the bug tracker. [1] Specify the browser and its version, the website and any problematic links that you are willing to share. Specify the version of Linterna Mágica. Enabling debug mode and providing the messages would be greatly appreciated. It would be nice too to follow the report development and provide any additional information requested. Thanks again! [1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=additemgroup=linterna-magica signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNOME Panel is lost
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:35:55AM +0100, a...@member.fsf.org wrote: Every time I open a terminal window to try and fix it, the panel disappears. How about the following commands? $ killall gnome-panel gnome-panel Closing the terminal in which the command is run, will kill the panel. Usually it should restart itself by killing it. Is there a way I can reinstall gnome? There is, but I doubt this would fix anything, since the configurations for your panel are located in your home directory. I cannot name the exact package name right now. This is ridiculous - another testament for the success that gnome 3 has been. You cannot seriously base your conclusion on one bug, which this clearly is. I don't know which version you are using, but latest Trisquel is actually GNOME 3 in fall-back - no GNOME Shell. This fall-back is greatly reduced in functionality than 2x versions were, but Trisquel made some improvements and added eye-candy. I personally forget that I'm not using 2x GNOME. The brute-force last measure would be to delete the ~/.gnome2 directory. This used to work in GNOME 2 when there were glitches that ware beyond fixing for me. I don't know is it still an option in GNOME 3. There is no ~/.gnome3 directory. Have in mind that this will delete all your settings in GNOME.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU and Linux
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:28:20PM +0100, alonivt...@gmail.com wrote: There are no systems that use Linux but are not GNU, except for As much as I am for the proper naming (GNU/Linux) of the system, that statement is not true. Embedded systems like routers usually use the kernel Linux and BusyBox which is not part for the GNU project. It has code contributed by or on behalf of the FSF. For me it is convenient in such cases to say that these systems use *the kernel* Linux.
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNOME Panel is lost
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:31:52PM +0100, a...@member.fsf.org wrote: How about the following commands? $ killall gnome-panel gnome-panel It keeps returning that there is no process called gnome-panel. This means that the panel is not started at all. The second command requires the first to complete successfully with provided syntax. You should try just the second part: $ gnome-panel or $ gnome-panel It might be a misconfiguration or malformed file on which the panel depends. This could happen if the system was not powered off properly, for which the reasons are many.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
В 21:45 +0200 на 17.10.2012 (ср), aliasb...@gmail.com написа: Is Trisquel viable as a server? I mean, I don't mind I'm using it for a year. Haven't noticed a change (technical; in practice) compared to gNewSense and Debian before that for the same (as a purpose) server. updating it everytime a new version (mostly LTS) is out but I don't really know if this is a good idea I would upgrade on every release. This would (theoretically) provide smoothest transition. Still depends how unstable/testing you consider STS releases and how comfortable you are with such on a server. I'v recently migrated my server from Taranis to Brigantia and some packaged required hacking of dpkg/install scripts for the upgrade to complete. Being unable to upgrade from old LTS to new LTS is a real issue IMHO. if it was working then there was no need to update, Update is a must for security reasons. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
В 21:47 +0200 на 17.10.2012 (ср), moil...@gmail.com написа: I think the standard text installer does not offer you a chance to install non-free software. Expert installer does do that. It asks if you want to enable non-free and contrib. I think if a network card requires non-free firmware, the installer will prompt you to provide it, if it is missing in the install image. That is for the latest stable version of Debian (6.0.4/5) tested a month or two ago. Th only thing I do not remember is did I used the default (text) or the expert (text) install. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
В 22:38 +0200 на 17.10.2012 (ср), aliasb...@gmail.com написа: could be not as stable or worse, with a big security whole, but in general that could be solved quickly... no ? Speaking for Debian, yes. For Ubuntu I don't know, because I've never dealt with it. Trisquel as Ubuntu derivative is probably following its life cycle for security. I think I've read once that the security section in Trisquel is updated more often, but I can't link to the source and don't know did I really read that. I suspect it is. Anyone can point to or state the Trisquel policy about security repositories? The other thing is, if one updates Trisquel on every release, the chances are lower to have such issue fixed or not have it at all. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
В 02:03 +0200 на 18.10.2012 (чт), aliasb...@gmail.com написа: Server (because everything is Vanilla and we can do whatever we want), Well with Debian ( Debian-based) you still can, but it is not as much vanilla and a lot of things are pre-configured. I have to admit that, sometimes a lot of work could be done by a simple apt-get install, like the old (but always good) Debian taught us :D It is better to use aptitude install/uptade/safe-upgrade etc. etc. because it has better dependencies handling. AFAIK it is the recommended tool. It has an ncurses TUI when ran without arguments which is also powerful, but I prefer the interaction with arguments. I will install Trisquel and see what the performance looks like :D... The bad thing is the Hardware Compatibility... If I want to buy something like the Raspberry Pi, I would need to find another distribution that would work AFAIK the only non-free thing in the Raspberry PI is the video chipset, but I might be wrong. The other thing is that there is no ARM port in Trisquel. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
В 22:41 +0200 на 17.10.2012 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: Looking back, do you think Stallman and the FSF regret having the LGPL as an option? Kind of. [1] The LGPL is not recommended/ not encouraged for new code and libraries. [1] As the article/essay it is a matter of strategy. https://gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html.en signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
В 01:12 +0200 на 15.10.2012 (пн), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: I know it used to be dual licensed, but there is a reason why libraries like jQuery stick with a MIT license. They know the library is one of the most popular and don't want the developers that use it to have legal issues. You are implying that using GPL code leads to legal issues. That is not true. The real issue in such cases is that the developers do not know the license requirements and/or do not inform the contractor/client/partner that they are using such code beforehand. This comes from the misconception that free and open source software is just code you can use however you want; it is code just waiting for you to take it and claim it yours. Well it is not. Yes, you are free to use it, but there is one condition - you should respect the license of the code you are using. So, please stop saying GPL is bad and leads to trouble for developers and people who are using it. The goal of free software (I'm concisely missing open source) is not mass-hysterical adoption, it is freedom for its users - users, developers or business, it does not matter. Yes some licenses give you the freedom to make proprietary software with them and might seem better, but the requirement of copyleft licenses to release your changes is better for the longer term. If all free and open source software was released under permissive license, there is a great possibility that proprietary versions with new features will emerge, which will cause the free software version to lack functionality. That on its turn will lead to more adoption of the proprietary clones. The free software version will fall behind in functionality and adoption and will became useless. And viola there is no free software no more. Everybody looses. In fact this is exactly what already happen during the Lisp era and just before Stalman decided to start the GNU project, if I remember correctly. Thanks to permissive licenses. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] A FSF supported project needs help: mediagoblin
В 21:10 +0200 на 15.10.2012 (пн), moil...@gmail.com написа: Just ask how *BSDs are doing. How? No, seriously I don't get the exact meaning of your comment. Please, elaborate. Thanks. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?
В 13:28 +0200 на 11.10.2012 (чт), moil...@gmail.com написа: Alright, I have finished my bachelor's thesis. Very surprisingly my (sucky) thesis about Sage as a replacement for Matlab in higher education rose interest in the teachers on my school. Well done! You might have heard about it, but just FYI, Octave is another Free Software alternative to Matlab. It missed some functionality few years ago, but I've personally used it to do many projects in my university years. -Debian: Either stable or testing. The bad thing about stable is that it will be soon replaced with current testing version and hence not supported There is always upgrade. You edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the old stable release name with the new one. If stable is used instead of release name transition would probably be transparent. I do not remember did I encounter new stable release while I was on Debian. Next: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade sudo aptitude full-upgrade Of course it could break bad, but for that you should prepare a backup. The bad thing about testing version is that it is testing version and possibly not so secure. Not so sure about that. There are constant updates and security updates as well as far as I remember. I've spent almost two years on testing +unstable on a desktop machine and it broke badly only once. I think I've used testing for a server available on the Internet. If it is going to be stable soon, then I would expect it to have minor issues or no issues at all. Debian after all has very long cycle for marking something stable. -Ubuntu: Not an option for me for philosophical and technical reasons. I'm amazed Trisquel is relatively stable while it is based on Ubuntu. Trisquel: Toutatis is the only version of Trisquel to consider. However, Toutatis is not ready yet, and even though there might be no differences between packages on the server installation without X-server between Toutatis and ubuntu LTS, is it too risky to make the server of Toutatis at this point? Is there plans to support Toutatis for the same time as curernt Ubuntu LTS is to be supported? There is always upgrade. As in the Debian case I've mentioned above. A week or so ago I've upgraded a server from Taranis to Brigantia. Only two packages required hacking of dpk scripts to install and unblock the migration process. There were bug reports about those exact packages with proposed solutions. If I were you I would either install Brigantia and upgrade to Toutatis when released or install Toutatis and upgrade to the next release when available. And keep upgrading to every future available release. This theoretically should provide smooth transition and no breaking like in my case from Taranis to Brigantia. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
