Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Line Mode Browser is obsolete. To name a few maintained/relevant/well-known text-mode browsers: Lynx, Links, w3m. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3m https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_(web_browser)
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
> but when I try to > enable wifi it does not work, it says "secrets are required but not > provided" How did you try to connect? nmcli? nmtui? > now I am on Trisquel > Mini instead i3 So it works in LXDE (Trisquel Mini) but not i3? > Or if I could use some graphical program to connect by wifi on > i3, I don know those programs Sure. If you run nm-applet in a terminal it should appear in your i3 bar. Or you can add it to ~/.config/i3/config so that it starts automatically when you log in. See here[1] for instructions. Alternatively, you could install a desktop environment and replace its window manager with i3. A desktop environment configures things like networking (and other nice things like automatically mounting usb drives and detecting monitors) to work out of the box. I use MATE, but I replace MATE's window manager (Metacity) with i3 and remove mate-panel. The result looks just like i3, but things "work" as they do in MATE. $ dconf write /org/mate/desktop/session/required-components/windowmanager "'i3'" $ dconf write /org/mate/desktop/session/required-components/panel "''" $ dconf write /org/mate/desktop/background/show-desktop-icons "false" It's probably possible to do the same thing with LXDE. [1] https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_automatically_starting_applications_on_i3_startup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
I actually made a clean installation of trisquel mini from usb. I deleted all the partitions except the existing windows and I installed from usb trisquel midi along windows because my wife does not allow to delete it... I deleted partitions in the dumbest way because I didn want to spend time on learning how to do it so I did it from Windows itself... Anyway I can say now it runs much better than before, it goes fast and midori goes fast too! I installed i3 because it is the way I like by now, but when I try to enable wifi it does not work, it says "secrets are required but not provided"... I searched on the net without luck, now I am on Trisquel Mini instead i3, but do you know how can I do it ? I tried to do it from terminal following indications but it always says the same "secrets" message. Or if I could use some graphical program to connect by wifi on i3, I don know those programs
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Nice! But this is really a text browser? If so I can not see how to make it work
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
So true! The lightest browser ever to be invented is one which is completely non-functional, letting one stare at a static black screen all day. That said, Line Mode Browser is green and simple, pretty close but no cigar. http://line-mode.cern.ch/ http://line-mode.cern.ch/www/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Netsurf is way lighter but it is also way less functional, unfortunately. :(
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
I believe Netsurf is lighter on resources. Or Dillo. Of course, CLI browsers Lynx, Links are lightweights in their own right. http://www.netsurf-browser.org https://www.dillo.org
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Thanks, chaosmonk, so I understand Midori has been upgraded recently and it is still debugging. I will have to wait then. Anyway, is Midori the lightest free choice or we have another one in the same “league”?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
> I am testing a nit more i3 and I really think it is what I will use. i3 is great. I'll never go back to using a stacking window manager. > Midori is upgraded as you told me but I can not acces to history, when I > click on preferences I can not see it, and I even if I click on > extensions me but it shows zero entries and I can not find info on > internet abut it I can't find it either, in i3 or icewm. You might not find much online because the new Midori release was just a few weeks ago. You might ask here: https://github.com/midori-browser/core/issues signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I am testing a nit more i3 and I really think it is what I will use. Midori is upgraded as you told me but I can not acces to history, when I click on preferences I can not see it, and I even if I click on extensions me but it shows zero entries and I can not find info on internet abut it
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
thanks too, I will try it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
thanks
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
> I was testing i3 and it is so clean but when I have more than one window > Midori does not show navigation bar to write I use i3 and do not have this problem. Are you using the latest version of Midori? If not, build and install it using the instructions in my other comment. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Opening more than two windows seems to do that. You can Alt-e or Alt-s to change horizontal/vertical/tab modes. Use Abrowser if you find this annoying.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
thanks again, amigos. I was testing i3 and it is so clean but when I have more than one window Midori does not show navigation bar to write, I have been looking for info about it with no luck. Is this a common thing?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Window Maker is pretty light on resources. It's a NeXTSTEP clone. sudo apt install wmaker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_Maker http://www.windowmaker.org/
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Thanks for your responses, I will try your recommendations later, but I still have a doubt about installing in text mode, you said something about not being in dual booting but I indeed have dual booting for old windows and trisquel. I would like to delete the trisquel living on it and re- install it on text mode but I am not sure if I can do thT when I try to reinstall in text mode
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
> Anyway I am thinking this laptop does not manage very well even these minimum coices I have some low-resource netbooks on which I'm trying to configure Trisquel to be as light as possible while preserving the Trisquel look/feel. If you're still having trouble with performance, here's how to recreate what I have so far. (1) Install base system Either download the NetInstall ISO, or use the regular Trisquel ISO but select "Install in Text Mode". Assuming that you aren't dual booting, you should be fine accepting the defaults. This will install only the base system, with no desktop environment. (2) Install a window manager and display manager When you reboot after installing you will have just a command line. Log in and connect to the internet. If you need to connect to WiFi follow this.[1] Then install these packages: sudo apt install icewm slim network-manager alsa-base xinit policykit-desktop-privileges pcmanfm volti Icewm is the lightest window manager I know of. Slim is the lightest display manager (login screen) I know of. Network Manager will make it easier to manager network connections. pcfman is a lightweight file manager. volti is a sound applet. TODO: Anyone know of a good standalone battery applet? (3) Web Browser If you want to use Midori, I recommend building the new Midori release from source, as the version in the Trisquel repo is several years old. $ sudo apt install cmake valac libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev libsoup-gnome2.4-dev libgcr-3-dev libpeas-dev libsqlite3-dev intltool libxml2-utils $ wget https://github.com/midori-browser/core/releases/download/v6/midori-v6.0.tar.gz $ mkdir midori $ tar xf midori-v6.0.tar.gz -C midori $ cd midori $ mkdir _build $ cd _build $ cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr .. $ make $ sudo make install If you want to use Abrowser, you can just install it with $ sudo apt install abrowser TODO: I don't have sound working with either browser. Abrowser will definitely need pulseaudio, but before I install pulseaudio I want to see if I can get Midori working with just ALSA. (4) Install other programs This is the additional software I have installed $ sudo apt install abiword vlc gnome-app-install synaptic (5) Other stuff you might want to do $ sudo gpasswd -a $USER netdev # I had to do this to connect to wifi from icewm $ sudo gpasswd -a $USER audio # I had to do this to get sound working (6) Configuring Icewm and Slim Extract icewm.tar.bz2 to ~/.icewm and extract slim-theme.tar.bz2 to /usr/share/slim/themes/trisquel $ sudo apt install feh # used to set the desktop background Install Trisquel theme $ sudo apt install trisquel-gtk-theme trisquel-icon-theme trisquel-wallpapers Create these files: ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini %% [Settings] gtk-theme-name = "Trisquel" gtk-icon-theme-name = "trisquel gtk-font-name = "DejaVu Sans 8" % ~/.gtkrc-2.0 gtk-theme-name = "Trisquel" gtk-icon-theme-name = "trisquel gtk-font-name = "DejaVu Sans 8" % Edit /etc/slim.conf and find the line beginning with "current_theme" and change the value to "trisquel" (without the quotes). To further configure Icewm: - edit ~/.icewm/menu to add/remove menu items - edit ~/.icewm/toolbar to add/remove from the bottom panel - most other changes are made in ~/.icewm/preferences (see here[2]) [1] https://askubuntu.com/questions/16584/how-to-connect-and-disconnect-to-a-network-manually-in-terminal [2] http://soc.if.usp.br/manual/icewm-common/html/icewm-10.html#preferences
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
i3wm is a nice tiling window manager. Best of both worlds, it has a GUI but it relies on keyboard shortcuts a lot. Tiling means no overlapping windows. sudo apt install i3 https://i3wm.org https://youtu.be/Wx0eNaGzAZU
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Fvwm 95 behaves a lot like Windows 95. There's a pager to choose between four preinstalled workspaces.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
That screen is what you get when you choose Text mode from the USB iso at starting? Or you have to create another USB different from the Trisquel iso?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
It's there: 3. Setup 95 script
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
that is exactly as I think!
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
"Newbies" or modern users conflate OS with the GUI. The GUI is only candy. You don't need a GUI. UNIX is a black screen with white text on it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
ok, thanks, I understand that is the lowest choice. I installed fvwm, now I ask you about what you told me: "click on desktop and select fvwm95 script", I can not see it
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
> Anyway I am thinking this laptop does not manage very > well even these minimum coices so I am trying to > install trisquel mini The only difference between Trisquel and Trisquel Mini is the default desktop environment. Trisquel has MATE as its default whereas Trisquel Mini has LXDE. If you change the DE from the default, there is no difference between Trisquel and Trisquel Mini. > Then I found someone on the forum talking about making > the full Trisquel becoming Trisquel Mini by installing > some packages, but I don know how to do it, I have been > searching without success... I installed a package > called "trisquel-mini" but no changes That's all there is to it. Once you've installed trisquel-mini, log out, and in LightDM (the login screen) you should see "Trisquel Mini" (IIRC) as a choice of desktop environment. If you don't see "Trisquel Mini" then it might be called "LXDE". Select that and log in. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Trisquel Mini is the same what in Ubuntu they would call Lubuntu, with LXDE. If you need a fast GUI on low resources, use fvwm. You can't get lower than that these days. I've used fvwm successfully on Intel Atom.
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> But this is what Trisquel-mini is, a graphical lighter > "environment"? I thought Trisquel Mini was another kind > of OS with less stuff for little resources computers. It's the same OS, but the *default configuration* of the OS is lighter. Since you are reconfiguring the OS yourself this difference is unimportant. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Thanks, I did it because when I run the command you said it tells me I have those packages installed and at the login screen I can select the mini choice as you show. But this is what Trisquel-mini is, a graphical lighter "environment"? I thought Trisquel Mini was another kind of OS with less stuff for little resources computers.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Install package trisquel-mini and trisquel-mini-recommended.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
thanks again, loldier. Anyway I am thinking this laptop does not manage very well even these minimum coices so I am trying to install trisquel mini, I tried it from zero in another partition but it does not install it, it show messages of error, so tried to "delete" Trisquel installation but I don know hot to do it. Then I found someone on the forum talking about making the full Trisquel becoming Trisquel Mini by installing some packages, but I don know how to do it, I have been searching without success... I installed a package called "trisquel-mini" but no changes. Any info about if that is really possible? I mean installing some packages so Trisquel becomes Trisquel Mini...
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
There's another lightweight Window Manager/Desktop Environment to try: fvwm. When installed, click on the desktop and choose fvwm95 script. sudo apt install fvwm
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Once installed, fire them up in a terminal. tint2 conky Make them autostart if you need to have them ready each time you login.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Thanks, loldier, it is exactly that! I did it, but may I do anything else in order to make it run? Or it is something you need to write into some rc or config file?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Install conky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conky_(software) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Conky
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
I can see there are so many things to configure, I am not knowing how to start. I am using openbox and I configured things so I could add some keybinds for launching terminal with Ctrl Alt T and some resizing things I think I don really need by now too much things, I am thinking about configuring the background so it shows time and system info as I saw in so many images in the net, a black background screen showing system info at one side and having some terminal windosws in vertical in the other side, but I really don know how to do it. Any help? I tried doing xclock but that is not what I mean, I mean not a window with clock but the info there in the background
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
A similar wallpaper in grey. https://trisquel.info/en/forum/share-your-desktop-2?page=2#comment-98757
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I use openbox+tint2 for many years, it is extremely customizable and takes very small amount or memory. This my favorite environment and I won't change it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Openbox offers many possibilities. A couple of guides on openbox https://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox And you can copy configuration files from distros using openbox as default wm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
>I still need to find good cli clients for ... bittorrent. rtorrent
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
> So many utilities on the command line, growisofs and wodim to burn CDs > and DVDs. Some others are neomutt for mail, mcabber for xmpp, weechat for irc, calcurse for calendar, cmus for music, newsbeuter for rss, ranger as file manager, and youtube-viewer for searching/watching youtube. I still need to find good cli clients for ftp, sip, and bittorrent. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Loldier, thank you very much! I am getting even more interested now.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Change colour of the root window background (desktop). xsetroot -solid steelblue On the desktop, various X utilities running: xeyes, glxgears, xclock. https://linux.die.net/man/1/xsetroot
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So many utilities on the command line, growisofs and wodim to burn CDs and DVDs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Get a retro feel and install mc, Midnight Commander. sudo apt install mc Midnight Commander is a Norton Commander clone for UNIX.
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Thanks again, I like that setup, I will give it a try
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Anything can be done in a terminal, launch programs, adjust sound, screen brightness or join networks. There's a graphic tool to edit the menu -- Obmenu, 'sudo apt install obmenu'.
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Thank you, I understand it is not a full desktop environment but I am maybe thinking about if I need really a full DE because as first things I am trying to learn the basics and maybe I will use it for learning to program. I have been looking for info about it and it seems you can configure it to add programs to its menu, and I am thinking I would like to have a minimal number of icons or items on screen, so perhaps I could use this openbox thing. I understand I could open every program (even the “image viewer” or “file browser”, as Magic Banana commented) from terminal, yes?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Well of course, many people do. Openbox by default looks like an X root window -- a black desktop with no app windows open. Right clicking on the root window (desktop) opens the root menu which has some program entries. There's no panel. Everything can be added and customized. Obconf provides for some basic themes and lets the user change window decorations. Install feh for image viewing and obmenu to edit the root menu. Fire up the terminal to start apps on the command line, eg. 'firefox &'. Openbox can be great fun.
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
ok, but could it be possible to use it for it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Thank you, loldier. So it looks like you could use Openbox as DE(not just as a part of lxde), yes? I saw pictures of it on the net and it seems to be lighter, is it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
It's Openbox. LXDE uses Openbox as the window manager. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox
[Trisquel-users] solved a problem with lxde
Hello, this is my third post, I am new to Trisquel8, I installed it on an old laptop HP ProBook 6555b. After first solved problems I got to use wifi and now I found another issue: system is working a bit slowly and it takes a little delay time when I even write, internet browser it is slow too. I have been investigating and it looks like I should try a lighter desktop environment. I tried to use lxde but even installing it was not appearing as a choice in the login screen(as people say it is the common situation), indeed there was no button to select any choice... Then I installed another desktop environment I found, xfce, just for testing if that one would appear as a choice on that non-existing(then) menu and it happened I got succesed, next to my login name it appeared a trisquel button showing two choices: MATE and XFCE. So I thought it was something related to lxde installation, I uninstalled and installed again with no luck. I found a web telling about this exact issue, it looked like the repository by default when I typed "sudo apt-get install lxde" was not properly working or not having the full stuff, so I went to the official lxde web and they recommended adding a repository to my system, I did it just by typing: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lxde/ppa". I uninstalled lxde and then I installed it again with "sudo apt-get install lxde". And this time it worked! I logged out and the I could see MATE, XFCE and LXDE! And even another one calle OPEN... (I don't remember, I will edit later) Maybe 99% of you know this procedure or could think it is a very newbie thing but I was not able to find it on the forum neither the web, so I decided to post it here, maybe some other users could have the same doubt. It is a micro contribution but it is all I can do by now.
