Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

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Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-16 Thread mcb

Hello guys,

I was noticed about the FCC proposal of restricting wireless devices  
modifications, and I decides to help stop this threat. I started a petition  
in Avaaz to try to stop this bill. I also contacted the US Pirate Party for  
support.


But the Chairman of the Pirates replied saying that the lock down is an  
extreme fantasy, it is ignoring some of the facts, and that "The (FCC's)  
position is that versions of this open source software can be used as long as  
they do not add the functionality to modify the underlying operating  
characteristics of the RF parameters."


I'm attaching the conversation we had, in order that you can see if our  
attempts of stopping this proposal are really needed.


Sincerely,

Manuel

---
(Here starts the Chairman's mail)

Hi. I understand your concerns. However I've been in contact with the
FCC (back from when I started the Net Neutrality thing) as have others
I've talked to, and the basic answer is that NO, they're not trying to
lock down devices.

A lot of what you've been told is extreme fantasy and is not based int
he realities - I'll bet you've not even been told that this whole thing
is just a proposal right now, and that the FCC is taking public comments
for the next few weeks (until october 8)
http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceeding/view?name=15-170

And of course, the FCC's own statement is "The (FCC's) position is that
versions of this open source software can be used as long as they do not
add the functionality to modify the underlying operating characteristics
of the RF parameters."

Basically, they admit their statements are badly worded.

Mike Masnick at Techdirt has a better writeup than I could,
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20150831/07164532118/no-fcc-is-not-intentionally-trying-to-kill-third-party-wi-fi-router-firmware.shtml

The bottom line though is that the 'fears' are overblown hysteria, that
is as likely to make things worse as improve them, because no matter how
well intentioned they may be, they're deliberately ignoring some of the
facts.

Andrew Norton


(Here starts my mail)
> Dear Mr. Norton:

>

> I'm a Chilean Pirate sympathizer, interested to preserve and improve the

> citizen power over the malicious corporations. I write to you to tell

> you(if you don't know already) that the Federal Communications

> Commission of the US(the FCC) is considering a proposal to lock down any

> electronic device with wireless capability, in order to prevent their

> modification. This proposal(according to SaveWiFi), if is applied, would:

>

>  - Restrict installation of alternative operating systems on your

> PC, like GNU/Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc.

> - Prevent research into advanced wireless technologies, like mesh

> networking and bufferbloat fixes

> - Ban installation of custom firmware on your Android phone

> Discourage the development of alternative free and open source WiFi

> firmware, like OpenWrt

> - Infringe upon the ability of amateur radio operators to create

> high powered mesh networks to assist emergency personnel in a disaster.

> - Prevent resellers from installing firmware on routers, such as for

> retail WiFi hotspots or VPNs, without agreeing to any condition a

> manufacturer so chooses.

>

> We need to stop this proposal to become law. That's why I ask you and

> the US Pirate Party to help preserve freedom, for the US and(because

> many free software and hardware developers are based in the US) the rest

> of the planet.

>

> I've started a petition at Avaaz to ask the FCC to keep our freedom, you

> can help by signing it and sharing it:

>  
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_Federal_Communications_Commission_the_US_Congress_Keep_our_wireless_devices_free/?copy


>

> You also can find other ways to help at

> https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi

>

> I hope you can help us,

>

> Manuel Caicedo




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-16 Thread chris
Reply to his email and tell him the article gets a lot of things wrong,  
quotes people who haven't fully understood the issue, and makes or implies  
false claims about the campaign. Let him know that he should contact the josh  
at the FSF if he wants the full scoop. Or get on the mailing list.


The author gets a lot of things wrong. He NEVER talked to the Save Wifi  
project or the people who are actively investigating this issue which  
includes software developers like Adrian Luis (who *actually* worked on some  
of the impacted device chipsets), manufacturers, multiple Qualcomm employees  
current and ex, the FSF, the EFF, lawyers involved in prior FCC regulations,  
OpenWRT developers, LibreCMC developers, mesh networking groups, and others.  
The people the author interviewed for the story were inappropriate, wrong,  
and did little more than make good sound bytes for the story backing up the  
impression being presented that it was a non-issue.


Is it a proposal? Yes. That entirely misses the point though.  You don't wait  
until its passed to fight it. It becomes an near-impossible fight to win at  
that point. If you don't want to fight the proposed rules fine. But what do  
you have to say about the rules which have already in place now? Should we  
ignore those too and pretend it isn't an issue? Pretending this is a  
non-issue or outright ignoring it won't result in a solution to the problem.


The FCC's stated 'position' is irrelevant if the rules for manufacturers are  
resulting in the locking down of devices. What the FCC is doing is 'double  
talk'. Within the same quote the FCC has indicated that they both don't care  
if there is third party firmware loaded, but then goes on to state as long as  
it complies with the rules, which ultimately is why you can't load the third  
party firmware. The way the rules are manufacturers will institute digital  
locks and are *already* doing so. In the very quotes within that article form  
one of the technical people quoted they admit to there being a problem still  
AND nobody ever said there were *only* proposed rules that are a problem.  
It's a much bigger issue.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-02 Thread chris
After the article the other day on hackaday regarding the FCC story I  
contacted them about the Save Wifi campaign. As I'm sure many here read  
already they entirely missed the call to action. Today I read on Slashdot  
about a new article they did in response to my email. While they have a  
mistake or two still (like the date of the FCC comment period, I've sent an  
update) they've successfully written a new story. Yes!


http://hackaday.com/2015/09/02/save-wifi-act-now-to-save-wifi-from-the-fcc/

I've also now now reached out to Wired and Ars Technica. I'm planning to also  
call into a radio show (Off the Hook) in the NYC area (though they have a  
worldwide base online due to the popular 'hacker' magazine 2600) tonight to  
bring up the issue. I believe anyway that they take calls last I recall.  
Though there phones might still be down (they were last week).





Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-02 Thread chris
As Jason said, they did, but we're working on moving the site to a server  
which can handle the traffic spikes from the likes of Slashdot, Reddit, and  
other media outlets. It's currently linked to a cached page on archive.is  
from www.savewifi.org. Hopefully we'll have a better looking site dedicated  
to it soon enough. Josh and the FSF is working on it...


I mainly registered the domain as a short cut - particularly for radio  
though. Though it appears we'll end up with a real site on a server dedicated  
to www.savewifi.org shortly. Or maybe it'll just get pointed to  
fsf.org/savewifi depending... apparently the fsf.org server is equipped to  
handle significant traffic loads.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-02 Thread chris
They haven't come out with a comment period or equivalent yet, so we're  
basically waiting at the moment... We're keeping an eye on it and will let  
everybody know when, where and how they can send in official complaints to  
the proposed rules.



Here is a bit more info (probably above the heads of most to interpret, but  
none-the-less):


> f harmonized standards have not yet been published for the Directive  
2014/53/EU.  I don't know who will be responsible to work out a standard for  
the Article 3.3i. I'll try to get some information about it.

>
> However, ETSI has recently announced a workshop covering the software  
defined radio topic.

>
>  
http://www.etsi.org/news-events/events/975-53-shades-of-re-d-how-to-place-compliant-radio-equipment-on-the-european-market?highlight=YTo2OntpOjA7aToyMDE0O2k6MTtpOjUzO2k6MjtzOjI6ImV1IjtpOjM7czo3OiIyMDE0IDUzIjtpOjQ7czoxMDoiMjAxNCA1MyBldSI7aTo1O3M6NToiNTMgZXUiO30=

>
>
http://www.redca.eu

[snip]

The REDCA provides a forum for people concerned with the compliance of radio  
equipment with regulations and technical standards in the European Economic  
Area, as well as in the Countries that have a Mutual Recognition Agreement  
with the EU, such as the USA, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and Australia.




Membership of REDCA is open to all Radio Equipment Directive Notified Bodies  
and any consulting, testing or manufacturing organisation, as well as  
authorities or any other organisation that is willing to follow the aims and  
objectives set out in the Associations Rules and Constitution. A guide on  
"How to apply for REDCA Membership", an application form and a copy of the  
Associations' Rules can be found following the "Documents" menu tab above.  
The annual fee for REDCA Membership is €500.


[snip]


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-02 Thread tomlukeywood

so were did you hear this information?

"The EU is going to have similar software security rules 2014/53/EU (June  
2016)"


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-02 Thread tomlukeywood

I don’t see the Free Software Foundation
Publicizing http://www.savewifi.org

and that would get a lot for people to complain against it.

am i correct in thinking the FSF haven’t commented on this?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread chris

We're not there yet. So unfortunately I don't know.

I'm going to bring it up though. Maybe someone can find the contact info or  
identify a comment period in other countries/unions. The sooner we identify  
it the more likely we'll get the upper hand on the issue.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread tomlukeywood

i cant rely contact my MEP if i don’t have any sources

is it possible to let me know what the reliable source is?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread chris

No. Adding to list. If anybody wants to contact them please do!

We need all the help we can get!

Or post contact info... that would help too and I'll send an email.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread tomlukeywood

what website?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread tomlukeywood
"The EU is going to have similar software security rules 2014/53/EU (June  
2016)"

do you have a source on this?
the more info you have about this the better

*i am thinking on contacting my Member of European parliament about this


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread jadedml

I'm pretty sure he was responding the Jodiendo.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread chris

Definitely!

Unfortunately I don't have a source for the above. Only the Canadian rule  
change. However the information itself comes from a reliable source.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread chris
Yes- I generally agree here. My point was merely that people shouldn't be  
afraid to send in comments. If nobody sends in comments it won't do any good  
either.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-09-01 Thread chris

There are directions at www.savewifi.org


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-31 Thread cdwaldrum

i still like trying to send one to mine but that webstie is to confusing!


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-31 Thread chris
So I have some updated information on this issue. Canada is going to have the  
same rules as the US and the EU are also going to be passing similar rules:


Industry Canada RSS-247

Posted on Industry Canada website: May 28, 2015 Issue 1
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf10971.html

The EU is going to have similar software security rules 2014/53/EU (June  
2016)




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-31 Thread nicolasmaia

Have you tried the Linux Action Show? They have a large audience on YouTube.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-31 Thread tomlukeywood

:(


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-31 Thread davidvargas1

Chris and everyone


We could all take the Rebels view and see this as a power grab and the knee  
jerk reaction is "hands off my WiFi!"


I don't believe the FCC is there to hinder innovation, at least I hope not..  
this is not typically how the FCC works.. but I've seen them throw out  
straw-man proposals to engage the public, and this might be one of them.


So if, and when, you do submit comments, and in the US, as a citizen, this is  
your right, give it some thought and consideration as these are taken into  
the next steps on how the FCC will move. Don't flame them, that just gets  
ignored... be reasonable and thoughtful in what you say.


If anyone in interested in  understand FCC Frequency Spectrum, and 5 GHz  
Unlicensed Spectrum (UNII) then follow the links.


http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/2003-allochrt.pdf
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-13-22A1.pdf
https://www.fcc.gov/document/5-ghz-unlicensed-spectrum-unii


It's a very good thing the FCC decided to extend the time to comment for  
another two months, because we really all need to study what the FCC is  
actually proposing to do.


What I do know, in the past, having dealt with the FCC on a couple of  
projects, is that they are very receptive to input from the public - they're  
required to, it's in their charter - so raise a voice directly... it is your  
right to do so.


if one feels strongly enough, hit up your Representative and Senators, and  
that makes even a better impression, they will take consideration here -- but  
again, but thoughtful in your comments and objections.


With the Representative/Senators - I've always got a response back, not a  
form letter, but a signed response in Snail-Mail - I make my comments there,  
and yes, I do it often for issues I care about - just costs a stamp..


You want to read more in details take your time in doing so.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread ethernet252

Is this a reply to my Proprietary software foundation joke?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread tomlukeywood

With these new FCC regulations
would installing Replicant on a
phone with a wifi card be illegal?

or well installing free software on any computer with a wifi chip???

this is the impression i got from your blog:
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/save-wifi-fcc-attempting-criminalize-freedom-new-regulations


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread greatgnu
I didn't have the force to comment on this one. All I know is I want to send  
them a giant FUCK YOU


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris
I don't have enough information to answer that question and I think a lawyer  
would have a difficult time giving you a straight answer too. And not just  
any lawyer but one involved in these types of cases with the FCC rules. So a  
specialized lawyer.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread tomlukeywood

so as i am selling phones with Replicant pre-installed on them

if this law is passed i would be unable to sell them as Replicant would give  
you control over the device?


or just this law only apply to company’s making new hardware
so they have to make the devices restrictive from the start?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris

www.savewifi.org

You don't have to say much. Even basically copying and pasting what we've  
outlined should help. The goal is to get an overwhelming amount of support so  
they have to think twice. Right now they're writing off the community and  
those who will be impacted. They are required to do an assessment of the  
impact of the rule changes so the more people who object for *any* reason is  
likely to be useful in arguing they've failed to obey the law/there own  
rules.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris
Well- I believe this # was given to me in a response to a question I asked of  
those more knowledgeable and involved in the FCC details. That is there are  
lawyers, developers, and other technical types much more intimately  
involved/figuring it all out and I'm just grasping the jist of it enough to  
explain it less technical types. The larger rules are something like over a  
hundred pages if I'm not mistaken full of legal words that even the lawyers  
are unsure of what they mean (people who have dealt with this stuff in the  
past already). I'm more putting heads together and trying to get other people  
to figure it out, correct our understanding (ie the people who are helping  
with doing the promoting, creating the wiki page, etc). Now that we have put  
together a message (I helped a little), and overall figured out how we plan  
to tackle the problem I'm going to promote the heck out of it. Several  
prominent groups are at a minimum suppose to be working on blog posts at a  
minimum.


We'll see what happens!


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread tomlukeywood

yeah i did too
but it probably helps more if you list your
reasons for apposing it


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris
www.savewifi.org has a list of reasons for people to basically copy and paste  
why they object. Just look through it and decide what reasons you're  
objecting to it and copy them into the comment area. Even a one line I object  
because of privacy is *useful*.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris
There was such a large amount of traffic the other day libreplanet server got  
overloaded and went down. It's back up, but until I get confirmation that  
it's going to be able to handle the load I've temporarily directed the domain  
to a cached version of the page.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread tomlukeywood

i wonder why the libreplanet page is on a archive site?

dose this link work just aswell?
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_WiFi/Individual_Comments


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread tomlukeywood

20,000 USD!

do you have a source on that?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris
The technical and legal folks who scrutinized this basically said the rules  
were not totally clear. For instance what counts as an SDR? Just about  
everything now is SDR. The reality is this stuff is getting integrated such  
that you'd have to lock down everything on many of the devices shipping  
today. There are OS controlled components in these SDR or partial SDR chips.  
It appears what will eventually happen (maybe with future rules) is they'll  
require manufacturers to adopt 'hardware' signature checking tech from Intel.  
Intel's apparently designed there stuff to work on non-x86 third party  
platforms and what would happen is they'd license that out. This would ensure  
that users couldn't just get $100 worth of parts and bypass the signature  
checking by flashing the chip directly. Right now it sounds like  
manufacturers may be able to simply add signature checking to the firmware so  
that its munch more difficult to flash third party firmware (and would be  
illegal).


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread cdwaldrum
i hope this works ! cause i dont want to buy an cumputer if i cant dualboot  
or install linux.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread chris
No, probably not (well, maybe if you ship the USA.. unsure... you would need  
to ask a lawyer that question), but your not going to be able to continue  
getting routers going forward that you can 1. easily flash 2. are at all  
flashable. Right now you'll just find it becoming more difficult to flash the  
routers. Later when companies start implementing hardware-based signature  
checks it'll be impossible (probably).


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-30 Thread tomlukeywood

wait there something i still don’t get

The FCC is a USA Authority?

i am selling from the UK
would they fine me?

do they have international power?


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread ethernet252
One day, There will be a proprietary software foundation, And a sub-division  
called the proprietary hardware/firmware foundation. And the Website for  
Microsoft Windows is going to say Free software is often malware.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread cdwaldrum
hey if need need be i have friends that can help with the website and im  
writing a huge thiing on facebook


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread chris
I've been informed that wikia.com can probably handle the load. Never used  
it, but if you could copy the contents to an instance maybe that would work?  
I don't think it'll take more than two minutes for someone to do.


Right now I'm revamping ThinkPenguin's main page to inform users of the  
savewifi.org campaign and writing a blog post which then links to  
savewifi.org. Which right now is linking to archive.is/.


But if we can get something else up that is better that would be awesome!


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread cdwaldrum
hey get in contact with demandprogress. they can help get the word out way  
quicker then me


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread chris

I'd highly encourage people to post on reddit and hacker news.

I've gone and responded to as many of ill-informed comments as possible. It  
looks like many of them have been up-voted. We'll need to keep on top of this  
as things develop.


I'm going to try and call into Free Talk Live tonight.

The hacker news link is here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10139679

They don't seem to understand that the FCC has explicitly stated router  
firmware (not just radio firmware) would be required to be locked down.  
Anybody who could point that out on hackernewer would help. Apparently you  
can only post twice per  period of time there.


If someone can comment here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=10140602goto=item%3Fid%3D10139679

With the below would be great:



https://apps.fcc.gov/kdb/GetAttachment.html?id=1UiSJRK869RsyQddPi5hpw%3D%3Ddesc=594280%20D02%20U-NII%20Device%20Security%20v01r02tracking_number=39498

Here's a draft of the rules where they specifically ask how You will prevent  
end users from installing DD-WRT.


Third-Party Access Control: What prevents third parties from loading non-US  
versions of the software/firmware on the device? Describe in detail how the  
device is protected from “flashing” and the installation of third-party  
firmware such as DD-WRT.







Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread chris
I've got a new link people can link to... though DNS records have to  
propagate still... could be a few hours before this works.


www.savewifi.org links to a cached version of the LibrePlanet wiki which  
contains the information for users on how to send comments in with the FCC  
(ie https://archive.is/tGCkU).


Unsure how this will handle under load as I'm not experienced with  
significant loads. I hope this hack of a solution will work cause I know if  
it doesn't then we'll need someone more experienced to setup some sort of  
site with real caching...


If anybody wants to help with doing just that it would be of great service to  
saving wifi!


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread chris
I sent an email to the [GNU]Linux Linux Tech Show... I think it might have  
died off in 2005... but I knew the founders in a prior life so I'd thought  
I'd reach out to them to see if they'd be interested in doing an interview  
with me on the issue.


I'm also in contact with the Slashdot TV. Assuming my contact wasn't too  
upset by prior turn down of an interview (due to disarrangement on terms of  
what it would entail) we might get on there. Waiting to hear back...





Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread chris
Great. I was on the air with free talk live. I didn't get much time, but I  
did get the site www.savewifi.org mentioned 2-3 times and briefly explained  
the issue and told people what they could do to (ie visit the site and follow  
the directions on how to comment with the fcc and even suggestions on what to  
say).




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-29 Thread cdwaldrum

good - i went on facebook and twitter!


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread cdwaldrum
internet being stupid  on my in- so what i am hearing are two different  
things - one is it just wifi singnals other is what FSF is saying


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread chris
Perfect. I'm planning to start contacting media outlets shortly. Call in to  
radio shows and start talking about this. There are so many different avenues  
and places you can reach out to.





Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread cdwaldrum
ok i am so confuse i thought it was only radio signals that they wanted to  
lock down 


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread cdwaldrum
ok i am so confuse i thought it was only radio signals that they wanted to  
lock down 


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread tegskywalker
I heard that custom and free/open firmware like LibreCMC would no longer be  
allowed on newer routers as the FCC worries that firmware from a non  
established vendor (like Cisco or Netgear) would allow tampering of the radio  
signals.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread chris
A little background on this. Simon- another person working on free software  
router software brought this to the attention of certain media outlets a  
month ago maybe. Since that time I started reaching out to various  
organizations and groups who would be concerned about this issue and got  
people talking about how we can work together to protest these initiatives.  
The EFF, FSF, OpenWRT, LibreCMC, Software Freedom Law Center, Qualcomm, the  
prpl foundation, and other groups/people are in the loop and involved now.


Basically the FCC is trying to force companies that manufacture wifi devices  
to lock them down so that downstream users and developers can't change the  
firmware. They specifically ask manufacturers how they plan to prevent third  
party firmware from being installed. They use the example of DD-WRT, but it  
would impact all other firmwares including OpenWRT and LibreCMC.


Some have said otherwise,

FCC is only wanting to control VERY SPECIFIC things, like transmission power  
and frequency. The FCC has zero interest in any other aspect of the devices.  
The FCC ONLY cares about the settings that have any (direct) impact on the RF  
transmissions.


Unfortunately that's utter nonsense.

In reality the regulation apply to everything. Wifi in your computer,  
bluetooth, cell phones, etc. Literally everything would be negatively  
impacted.


We need to save wifi!

Please take the time to read the link above and send in comments. We need to  
get an overwhelming amount of backlash against this or you wouldn't have  
control over your devices/computers/etc going forward.


Please read up on the issue and start getting the word out. Talk to any media  
outlets that will listen. Send them emails. Call them. There is very little  
time to get people to send in FCC comments.


At this point we did get the FCC to extend the deadline for comments until  
October, but we need a *ton* of publicity to actually get them to do  
anything. And this won't be over after the comments are in because there are  
already rules which are hindering installation of third party firmware now in  
effect. These rules just clarify older rules basically and extend them to  
*everything*.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The FCC is asking for comments on a proposal to to lock down computing devices (routers, PCs, phones)

2015-08-28 Thread cdwaldrum
i just sent a letter to Chris Fiser from JupiterBroadcasting and i am about  
to be emailing this to my friends and my family