Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
Also on topic: it is possible for a layman who has spent enough time on the Trisquel boards to run a "more free" version of Ubuntu by adding Jxself's linux-libre kernel and disabling the restricted and multiverse repositories. It's a bit more work than clicking on the defaults in Debian and there has been some discussion about it in the past from people who care more about such matters than I do. Ruben and the other Trisquel developers do far more than this for us, so it's really not worth the hassle unless there is some pressing need for the latest and the greatest.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
FYI, sysvinit is an option in Devuan even though it may not be the best option. I'm not up for debating so I shall leave that to you. You have already shown yourself to be far more effective in that area, Calmstorm. Much respect. You be you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I won't debate here. I just don't like systemd because I don't like systemd. I was sorely mistaken when I thought that Devuan would be beyond my technical ability, so come on in, the water's fine if that's how you roll. The Devuan community does have interest in developing a fully free OS based on Devuan and seeking fsf approval, but it's not there yet. Back on topic, I've been goofing around with Bodhi for a few hours since that's what was on my new-to-me Thinkpad T43. I don't see that it's any harder to "free" Debian derivatives than it is to made Debian itself free, but I would only do so for my own amusement. The less technical knowledge a person has, the more of a stickler I am for ethics when setting up their computer. Belenos has worked fine for the circle I run in so far, with a few PPAs. I believe that the target user of Trisquel is someone like them, or someone like me when I first found out about this project. I've had the freedom to learn a lot thanks to the security of knowing that Ruben and others have provided me with a 100% free as in freedom operating system. Now I want to share this good thing I found with people I care about.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I'm not a developer, nor a programmer, nor I am involved with systemd, but I must intergect here. Do you care to give proof that systemd imposes "security and modification issues"? It has been proven that systemd is modular, as an example, Trisquel 7 (not to be confused with the upcoming 8) makes use of minimal part of systemd (look for the "logind" and "systemd-services" packages), and also, the GNU Guix project is implementing logind through the "elogind" package. Also, see: [[http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html]]. -- - [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno]] - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre, por isso não uso. Iguais a ele prefiro GNU Ring, ou Tox. Quer outras formas de contato? Adicione o vCard que está no endereço acima aos teus contatos. - Pretende me enviar arquivos .doc, .ppt, .cdr, ou .mp3? OK, eu aceito, mas não repasso. Entrego apenas em formatos favoráveis ao /software/ livre. Favor entrar em contato em caso de dúvida.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I compared the speed of booting on debian to devuan. Both on the same computer. This is from my experience of using both on librebooted x200. But I actually used devuan instead of debian more due to Luke's knowledge of systemd. apparently he says there are security issues with it and modification issues. Although if that weren't enough the developers and their supporters are super hostile to people's criticism of their precious systemd. So yeah... I will pass.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
One thing I will add to my above post, more errors exist with systemd also then runit. That is another reason. ah well.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
Never heard about it slowing things. Are you sure?
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I'm reminded of [[https://www.gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html]]. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
It is an error to call only fsf approved systems libre. If you install debian and add no non libre software, it is libre. Debian is the only non fsf approved distribution which provide the option of a libre installation?
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I don't like systemd, because it slows things down more than if you used an init such a runit.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I like Debian, I really do. I don't like that thing about stability that makes you uninstal the whole DE when you wish to uninstal or replace an application.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
Thinking about librepup using trisquel's packages https://freepo.st/post/b3efy88e though it's probably not up to date (https://notabug.org/dimkr/woof-CE-libre), one could use it to wake up an old computer and make it free.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
Yes, you're right about Fedora and I should've included this quote about Debian instead. I was unscrupulous; didn't read the quote with due diligence. With the release of Debian 6.0 (“squeeze”) in February 2011, these blobs have been moved out of the main distribution to separate packages in the nonfree repository. However, the problem partly remains: the installer in some cases recommends these nonfree firmware files for the peripherals on the machine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
I have no idea. At the time of writing I was thinking of Debian. The quote seemed to imply something that you refuted, and I'm not disputing that. I thought FSF would have their act together without giving it much thought beyond that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] a list of in fact gnulinux libre distributions?
FSF has this to say on the subject. You can always disable non-free repos, uninstall proprietary software and deblob the kernel with any distribution. Some distributions would be free but they make the mistake of recommending non-free code. https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
